i just live with it since it is a damage stat after all
#veteran-class
dreamy spade
idk why it would do more damage it's "Measure of the Impact and Stagger inflicted on enemies."
hearty panther
It modifies armor damage
lyric dock
The more important stuff about Stopping Power
agile forge
Hm. On most weapons it multiplies damage to many armour types by quite a large amount
lyric dock
Stagger is just a nice bonus
agile forge
Yeah, there you go
Look at how broad those ranges are
Compared with how narrow the range in damage is
dreamy spade
isnt shattering impact better than blaze away
agile forge
No lmfao
trim hemlock
SI does barely anything to Plasma, since it has good ADMs accross the board
lyric dock
Will note I have a mod that changes the bars work so they show the numbers at the max 80%
agile forge
Shattering impact doesn't help plasma much
trim hemlock
And it only works on follow-up shots
agile forge
It's better on other weapons
trim hemlock
Yeah, but BA just gives you more damage, whereas SI only makes it so you deal SLIGHTLY more damage to what, Carapace, vs BA, which improves your already good damage even further
agile forge
Idk, maybe shattering impact is better for karnak twins specifically since they have Carapace helmets and take a lot of fire
Idk karnak twins meta besides ogryn is gud
trim hemlock
Well, we can’t really change your mind, but in practice, not really
Also, why is the “low stopping power” gif done in like Malice grinder, but the “high” one is done on Damnation lmao
dreamy spade
it's not
trim hemlock
Then why do you kill the low power one in two shots, but the one with high SP dies in 4, weak spots or not?
dreamy spade
I think it takes 3 on both but its much harder to hit on high stopping
trim hemlock
The damage doesn’t sum up properly, the one in Low SP has either non-full HP or it’s in lower difficulty
agile forge
Unless this is another case of a bugged stat like the Ripper V stability lmao
fluid solstice
I have no idea what the "power" stat means.
Stopping power I get
but power is its own stat, separate from damage
what it do?
gritty mural
Power is just an increase in stagger, damage, and cleave iirc
All those under one word
fluid solstice
so a modifier that increases power is just a blanket buff?
rigid pilot
yes
gritty mural
Basically yea
agile forge
Also, rampage says it gives you damage but actually gives power
trim hemlock
Alright, I see what Zai4z did to fit their narration and why the first Crusher had less hp
Look
(the video might take a while to upload, give it a sec)
As you can observe, the first shot of either Plasma variant topples over the Crusher. I don't know if Zai4z did this intentionally or not, but the Crusher in the first video doesn't have full HP.
Crushers, like certain other enemies in the game, have a mechanic that makes them immune to further impact after they are staggered, which lasts for some time after they are put in the animation. The Crusher didn't have full HP, because it was damaged by the player seconds before the video started, and they couldn't really be staggered another time since it took two shots to finish them off.
From the above test, done on two separate, full hp Crushers, the first Crusher, despite the Plasma variant with low SP, topples over on WS hit, and is immune to further stagger until it dies. The same happens to the Plasma variant with high/full SP - the newly spawned Crusher still topples on the first shot, and is immune to further stagger for a couple seconds.
trim hemlock
can you unzip them
Now now, no need to be snarky 
I just wanted to debunk what Zai4z has shared to avoid spreading misinformation
Low SP is garbage, always go as high as you can
end TED talk
rigid pilot
but the video showed no difference 🤔
trim hemlock
That's the point
fluid solstice
but the video showed no difference 🤔
the difference is stagger
rigid pilot
other than damage they did they both staggered on first shot?
but damn 51% to 80% is >100dmg difference
trim hemlock
other than damage they did they both staggered on first shot?
Yes, precisely. Zai4z wanted to prove that low SP causes Crushers to not be staggered on being shot, which is just not true
There was no difference between 51 and 80 SP - both Crushers landed on their ass
rigid pilot
Low SP is garbage, always go as high as you can
ah so this is not your point but zai4z's point?
trim hemlock
Yep
rigid pilot
trim hemlock
I just didn’t believe them, checked it, my approach is correct
For the record, I have done the test with no skills selected at all
And both plasma guns had had no perks/blessings selected
trim hemlock
I really doubt it, but that wasn’t the point of the test either
wanton dawn
The hell is going on here
rigid pilot
like you can push bulwark shields with psyker FS without AI, but you cant do it with AI on
trim hemlock
Plasma stats discussion ?
Zai4z thinks that having low SP on Plasma is beneficial for not throwing crushers on their ass on the first shot, which is just wrong
wanton dawn
LALALALA DID NOT HERE NOTHING
agile forge
Correcting disinformational heresy.
rigid pilot
no respec for the peegun
fluid solstice
I love how the psyker chat is discussing stats, the vet chat is arguing about stats, and someone posted a neko arc meme in the zealot chat
very on brand
dreamy scaffold
I love how the psyker chat is discussing stats, the vet chat is *arguing about* ...
last i heard the zealot chat was femboys so its not far off the mark
ogryn chat is just talking i think
fluid solstice
ogryn chat is just talking i think
They also seem to be talking stats best I can tell
serene bough
true
dreamy scaffold
followed by stat discussion of slab shield and maul
serene bough
remove freaks
fluid solstice
I've never liked playing oggie enough to care about stats tho
dreamy scaffold
I've never liked playing oggie enough to care about stats tho
i love em
i dont usually care about stats across the board
if it kills well enough then it works for me
fluid solstice
if it kills well enough then it works for me
true!
dreamy scaffold
thats why i dont like the higher diffs, it sorta requires you have good stats or insanely high damage, along with atleast some team coordination
rigid pilot
oh apparently they added the new penance area in the latest hotfix
fluid solstice
oh apparently they added the new penance area in the latest hotfix
on god?
rigid pilot
someone from another discord posted
agile forge
thats why i dont like the higher diffs, it sorta requires you have good stats or...
Love the challenge lol
dreamy scaffold
(omfg the psykers are doing math)
hey thats a new one
fluid solstice
someone from another discord posted
I'll go take a look after class
dreamy scaffold
havent seen anyone use math in this server yet
neon estuary
which power sword is best to use as a veteran?
rigid pilot
which power sword is best to use as a veteran?
fluid solstice
hrnnnng😫
agile forge
which power sword is best to use as a veteran?
Definitely 6
Since it clears on light attacks and has a really powerful push attack - light attack combo for single target
And heavies still work for stuff like maelstrom mutants
And it has a sick block cancel tech
wanton dawn
(omfg the psykers are doing math)
You dont want me to do math
Some ppl remember the crit string calculation
iron marten
I still love how you proudly flourish your redditor title
dire olive
He's gonna show off his crit DMG plasma any minute now
fluid solstice
I'mma be real the CIA couldnt get me to admit association with reddit
iron marten
I got told to touch grass when I wasted like 2m ordo rolling for a rashad… it didn’t even turn out well
neon estuary
as for the mutant part, pretend that he is a baseball being thrown at ya and you take a swing with your charged up powersword to cut his head off during his charging
rigid pilot
imagine those people rolling for blaze away 4
wanton dawn
Context: someone here called me a redditor for saying shattering was meh on plasma
wanton dawn
It was so unwarranted i felt compelled to oblige 
wanton dawn
I got told to touch grass when I wasted like 2m ordo rolling for a rashad… it di...
Only 2 ?
fluid solstice
wanton dawn
I stopped. It is boring
iron marten
A well rolled rashad is more braindead than a powersword
junior rivet
wonder if this dogshit has voice effects on it
iron marten
You basically kill everything with ease apart from carapace
fluid solstice
forest breach
wonder if this dogshit has voice effects on it
even that would not make it worth it tbh
fluid solstice
door in the back goes a ways in too
junior rivet
even that would not make it worth it tbh
it looks like hot ass anyways
fluid solstice
aight anyone wanna play a round?
forest breach
it looks like hot ass anyways
arent these cosmetics outsourced?
neon estuary
i hope its a level reset option
junior rivet
ok i bought the slop and it does have a voice effect on it like the scion helmet if anyone cares
merry gale
it would be good if it was in a neutral metallic color instead of this white
vague smelt
That looks horrible lmfao
pastel geode
Punishment muzzle
astral valve
ok i bought the slop and it does have a voice effect on it like the scion helmet...
When a player puts their mic too close to their mouth
thin flame
I finally got thrust for my shovel
abstract moth
Do you guys like the new power sword skin?
thin flame
So is thrust primarily for buffing damage from heavy attacks on beefy targets or can I use heavy attack spam on hordes since the MKVII has wide heavy swings?
I have done heavy swings in this shovel and I swear it just makes me default back to light attack spam
dreamy spade
Depends what shovel you're using
thin flame
I use the munitorum 7
abstract moth
Use heavies with the horizontal shovel attacks best for horde clearing
thin flame
I use the MK7 shovel, the Helbore MK1, and my frustration over not having access to the krieg set as my weapons against heresy.
abstract moth
It'll re shop, dont know when tho
Like I've only seen once that blue tunic skin for pysker then never again. Bought it on pc but I miss it for the xbox
thin flame
Anyways I'll practice that method of horde clear when I'm home
abstract moth
Might wanna add that blessing that let's you do more damage the more enemies you hit per hit too
astral valve
I'm not sure how I feel about Thrust but I haven't tried it
The extra windup sounds frustrating
dreamy spade
It's not as good as the other cleave weapon blessings but it guarantees use on the mk7 and standard issue
thin flame
I have uncanny and thrust on my shovel
astral valve
I'm probably thinking about it wrong, do you actually make an effort to have a longer windup to get the bonuses, or do you just let it work naturally?
dreamy spade
Thrust is also useful because you can 1 shot muties with heavy special
dreamy spade
I'm probably thinking about it wrong, do you actually make an effort to have a l...
To get 3 its normally a bit longer than what you would normally hold
astral valve
Thrust is also useful because you can 1 shot muties with heavy special
Okay this makes much more sense, I was thinking about longer windups for horde clear heavy swings
agile forge
You don't always have to hold for 3 stacks
sometimes 1 stack pushes you over the breakpoint
astral valve
I just imagine holding an extra half second every sweep and crying
dreamy spade
Thrust 2 is pretty easy to achieve
That's why I vouch for mobility over defences because strafing helps
I just needed 1 point on penetration and mobility and it would be the perfect shovel
analog mural
Except for the weakspot yeah
dreamy spade
I'm always hitting weakspot with it
analog mural
The way weak spot damage is calculated makes it not that great of a perk
dreamy spade
astral valve
The Personality Scourge: players will have the option to change additional aspects of your operative (background, height, name, and voice) in exchange for ordo dockets. be still my beating heart
fluid solstice
you think this is gonna undo the preexisting penances, and set us back to square 1? bc I'm really close to 100%ing my vet
hearty panther
you think this is gonna undo the preexisting penances, and set us back to square...
nah old ones will carry
hidden torrent
`The Personality Scourge: players will have the option to change additional aspe...
Only if any if it matter besides voice, and if you're from Cadia or Atoma, or an enforcer or not
astral valve
It matters to me 
hidden torrent
I know what you're saying, but I think you know my gripe
astral valve
I would love to see more of those choices matter, or even be compiled into some kind of player bio
I don't remember what I picked at all
Other than being purple eye lady from Cadia
hidden torrent
It would be nice to get additional dialog, like my Ogryn is from a mining world etc, saved by sarge etc, but none of it is reflected at all in how my character interacts
Would help form more love to the game akin to VT2 voicelines
vague smelt
It would be nice to get additional dialog, like my Ogryn is from a mining world ...
Rock and Stone
I need more beards and moustaches for Ogryn
astral valve
It would be nice to get additional dialog, like my Ogryn is from a mining world ...
I would take extra dialog/banter over almost any of the other stuff
It's one of the most endearing parts of the game to me
That, and hats
hidden torrent
I'd take another faction to fight that isn't just nurgle
thick hedge
just wondering, what does perfect strike actually do?
how effective is the hitmass reduction
opal dove
So are we happy again? Should be call this the FS cycle? Happy, mad, happy, mad... Loving the new content, by the way!
hidden torrent
So are we happy again? Should be call this the FS cycle? Happy, mad, happy, mad....
I'm never happy always mad
As someone who's played a lot of darktide in my free time, I just would like different types of objectives and I'll be happy, more than press button, punch daemon eye, or carry thing from a-b
I just think fs definitely could be more creative if they took the time to do so
chilly saddle
Babe wake up new dev blog just dropped
tall torrent
just wondering, what does perfect strike actually do?
x0.25 hitmass to all enemies hit by melee crit (10 hitmass becomes 2.5 hitmass)
Bypasses carapace armor’s cleave-stop function (can cleave through crushers)
chilly saddle
just wondering, what does perfect strike actually do?
Its main function is to brick your weapon
tall torrent
It’s not that bad
chilly saddle
I can only imagine it having a niche use in a zealot using fury of the faithful to guarantee a crit and cleave the entire horde for instant refresh of ultimate and even then it’s not optimal
Since you can do that with half their weapons anyway stock
tall torrent
I can only imagine it having a niche use in a zealot using fury of the faithful ...
Not exactly
It gives u effectively 4x cleave
chilly saddle
It doesn’t increase the number of enemies you damage either so if your weapon can cleave infinitely but only hurt the first 4 enemies why bother
chilly saddle
Yeah that’s the exact weapon I was thinking of good call
trim hemlock
Perfect Strike is indeed “a” if not “the” good on Mk15 Evis
thick hedge
on mk2 evis warth is better?
trim hemlock
I’d say cleave blessings on Eviscerators are typically redundant
chilly saddle
Mk15 is the poster child of the skill issue bandage category of weapon marks
Right there with devil claw 4 and the blue Ogryn shovel
trim hemlock
Rampage is good, but that’s a power blessing rather than just a cleave blessing by itself
chilly saddle
Any weapon where the light is a horizontal spam with no combo needed is a low skill ceiling reduced potential hand holder imo
thick hedge
rampage says its damage not power
chilly saddle
rampage says its damage not power
Proven to be power though, just erroneous description
thick hedge
bruh
chilly saddle
It is known
Don’t have a source but I heard it’s intended as power too. Intended or not, it’s still power to this day
thick hedge
i didnt know that and i wasted 4000 plasteel getting a wrath evis
when i already had a ramapage one
chilly saddle
Don’t feel bad I spent 20,000+ making plasma guns to get cavalcade 4 that doesn’t exist
Or whatever the blessing is called on that gun, might be mistaking the name for the boltgun blessing
tall torrent
Blaze away
tall torrent
Any weapon where the light is a horizontal spam with no combo needed is a low sk...
DC4 light spam is horrible tho
chilly saddle
Blaze away 4* doesn’t exist
thick hedge
against trash horde is very good
chilly saddle
tis why you need show blessing mod
Xbox 💀🤙
I think I play Darktide more than anyone else on Xbox… 1350 wins, hard mode twins, auspex adept, 250 wins per class all done
tall torrent
250 mission per class is dedication
thick hedge
i cant fathom modless darktide
tall torrent
I can’t bring myself to play psyker or ogryn that much
chilly saddle
i cant fathom modless darktide
I saw a guy on YouTube tanner his mods made me want to vomit and not miss having mods
tall torrent
i cant fathom modless darktide
I play mod less
I just don’t want to bother with them
chilly saddle
Dude literally has his entire hud in the middle of the screen with like 190 field of view and what appears to be a directional danger indicator and like a specialist in game tracker
Literally wanted to rip my eyes out
tall torrent
Should I add a penance section in my veteran guide
thick hedge
he said he was using it bc special sounds were broken, idk if he is still using now its fixed
but the fov was cringe yes
elder fiber
I get why that tracker mod exists for people who having hearing issues but its so ugly to take otherwise lol
elder fiber
he said he was using it bc special sounds were broken, idk if he is still using ...
Should've just eaten the silent bursters like a true soldier of the imperium
thick hedge
like psyker ds, his arm literally disconnects from the edge of the screen cuz of that fov
or just stop playing like i did until they fixed it
chilly saddle
With 250 wins per class and about 500 on zealot my take is that Psyker has the highest skill ceiling and I also have the least fun playing it, veteran is brain dead easy but filled with noob traps, zealot is love zealot is life, and Ogryn is best when drunk or sleepy
thick hedge
zealot and psyker are the most enjoyable i agree
i play psyker very agressively like a ranged zealot with infinite ammo
might be why they overlap
honestly, playing vermintide made me so good at melee combat that changed my playstyle
chilly saddle
My issue with Psyker and is surely a skill issue is that it’s the only class where things can go from amazing to game over in a fucking instant
tall torrent
My issue with Psyker and is surely a skill issue is that it’s the only class whe...
Glass cannon moment
thick hedge
glass cannon is kinda the thrill of it
tall torrent
I enjoy psyker prob the least out of the 4 classes
thick hedge
cuz you are shitting out damage lkike nothing
tall torrent
Maybe around same as ogryn
thick hedge
ogryn i think is fun once in a while
the mobility is a turn off
i didnt mind when i first started playing, but now i have gotten good at the game, lack of mobility feels so bad
chilly saddle
What’s really jarring is like finishing your weeklies for Melk on a speed zealot then having to go to ogryn
One heavy from the brown shovel takes as long as 20 sword swings and 2 ultimates
thick hedge
do u use the attack speed keystone on left
tall torrent
do u use the attack speed keystone on left
It’s not rly an atk speed issue, just general move speed
Also FNP is just insanely overpowered lol
grand perch
i just spawned into an ongoing mission, with a grimoire already in inventory. wat? so i destroyed it and the other guy who also had one died...and then there was another one on the ground, for a total of 3 grims
never seen that before
astral valve
Oh good I've had so much trouble finding porn on the internet, good thing you're here to hook me up with Discord porn servers
I'm trying to think of a joke about IRC DCC requests but I got nothing
final stag
Wh
serene sage
Late April
I pray to god they are actually ready
final stag
Well at least I know it'll be ready around my birthday 💀
fair river
This is the one chance that we get the helmet gas mask guardsman helmet
final stag
Loyalist have mid drip
Give me some heretic drip to freak out the scabs
Yes I'm wearing your dead captains helmet how could you tell
hollow turtle
I mean, you could just use a mod to start wearing their gear.
Though its been a while. I've forgotten which mods allow that.
final stag
I play console 😔
hollow turtle
I'm sorry. 😔
final stag
I would love those goggles for my stealth vet
Oh my god I'd be 40k Sam fisher
Cadian Sam fisher
analog mural
This is the one chance that we get the helmet gas mask guardsman helmet
It's been confirmed that the cover outfits will come with this patch
fair river
WHOOOOOOO
analog mural
One of the CMs said it
tall torrent
This is the one chance that we get the helmet gas mask guardsman helmet
If the loyalist Moebian 6th veteran is smth close to the scab sniper drip I’ll be very happy
analog mural
I believe the loyalist stuff is the cover outfits (for vet atleast)
tall torrent
I believe the loyalist stuff is the cover outfits (for vet atleast)
It’s different
balmy flume
pox bombers
Welp time to start practicing again
thick hedge
is stealth vet even good? i havent seen anyone do good with it
radiant chasm
can we have a secret reveal as to what armor type pox bombers will be
maybe unarmored or infested to diversify the specialist pool
thick hedge
dreg so prob unarmored
radiant chasm
dreg flamer is maniac
thick hedge
current bomber is not maniac
god emperor knows we dont need another maniac enemy to make maniac perk even better
final stag
is stealth vet even good? i havent seen anyone do good with it
I use it exclusively. It's very fun and I find myself enjoying it. Do be playing on hi5shock trooper too.
thick hedge
what gun melee you use to make it work
final stag
It also has hunters resolve which mixed with iron will and close order drill allows you to just survive overheads from crushers without dying
thick hedge
cuz my problem with it is it takes too much talent points
final stag
I use revolver Rashad
Maybe knife if I'm feeling goofy
thick hedge
It also has hunters resolve which mixed with iron will and close order drill all...
gold tougness does that too
tall torrent
is stealth vet even good? i havent seen anyone do good with it
It’s an interesting playstyle that’s also extremely taxing on talent points
final stag
I don't think gold toughness allows you to not take health damage from a crusher overhead
thick hedge
pretty sure it does
final stag
Hunters resolve allows you to just not take health damage at all
tall torrent
I don't think gold toughness allows you to not take health damage from a crusher...
It does
tall torrent
Hunters resolve allows you to just not take health damage at all
No, hunter’s resolve method still takes 25% health dmg
Gold toughness just prevents any health dmg
final stag
I never took 25% health damage from a crusher overhead. The most I've taken was like 20 health and that's without close order drill
tall torrent
Melee spillover is weird in that it’ll always deal 25% health dmg regardless of how much toughness u had
thick hedge
when i play melee vet i still want the left tree for weakspot dmg, possibly deadshot or surpress immune
i dont see myself being able to do that if i go stealth vet
tall torrent
Melee spillover is weird in that it’ll always deal 25% health dmg regardless of ...
I can ask kuli abt this
final stag
I hit my breakpoints with my revolver by killing and simply flank gunners with stealth rather than shooting at them
You sort of have to play mega aggressive considering it's stealth 💀
thick hedge
i just feel like its worse than zealot stealth due to long cd
final stag
20% toughness back from switching weapons during juggling my weapons.
thick hedge
cuz the vet cdr talent is flat 6 second
tall torrent
I hit my breakpoints with my revolver by killing and simply flank gunners with s...
The thing is revolver wants left tree bottom
final stag
I don't compare it to zealot stealth
Zealot stealth is taking down one big targets fast
Vet stealth is utility and burst damage to groups of enemies.
When you hit like 5 stacks on WS the gun can one tap anything
tall torrent
Infiltrate basically never gets to play a complete build because the best blitz & aura are left sided, and the most useful talents are all bottom left & bottom middle
thick hedge
The thing is revolver wants left tree bottom <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
exactly lol left tree makes revolver so good its impassible
final stag
Which is easy to get 5 stacks just kill five guys and boom I can one shot everything up to a mauler and even then like 2 body shots does the job
tall torrent
I wish the right tree bottom was better
Because right tree top half is actually good
thick hedge
thats just weapon specialist, i do the same thing with melee vet with shout
final stag
Yeah I use stealth vet as a melee vet and do just fine fjnf
Hell I do better than most zealots I'm paired with.
thick hedge
stealth zealot isnt a traditional darktide build is why, not a lot of people knows how to play it
the role is to kill specials on spawn
tall torrent
I wish commando bottom half was better
final stag
It's just shade from vermintide but I wasn't a kerillian player
I was a kruber huntsman main and stealth vet kind of plays like huntsman
thick hedge
not stand in horde and mash knife
tall torrent
I wish commando bottom half was better
Just better dmg tbh
Skirmisher seriously needs a massive buff
final stag
Take out the crits just give me damage and rending abilities
I never take skirmisher
It's a worse momentum
tall torrent
If skirmisher was better than right tree’s Dmg wouldn’t be as bad as playing left & middle
thick hedge
the thing is in general darktide builds are all rounders, most of the good builds can handle pretty much every situation. Stealth zzealot is turning you into a specialized character
tall torrent
It’s fine to play specialized builds as long as u understand what it’s meant for and capitalize on its strengths
old quail
Skirmisher seriously needs a massive buff
i want them to make it stacking damage up to X amount based off stamina spent in a given time, so u actually have a reason to take weapon specialist's stamina regen node
(since you have to keep gaining stam to spend it)
tall torrent
i want them to make it stacking damage up to X amount based off stamina spent in...
Tbh I think that’s still a really awkward playstyle
thick hedge
yeh, problem is most players dont know how to play specialized build cuz the concept is not common in darktide, they just pick up stealth zealot cuz its fun to play
old quail
that's completely fine. not everything has to be free
final stag
I take the left side of ws
potent iris
old quail
of course
final stag
And the middle node for switching WS buffs gives me 20% toughness which has saved me aplenty
thick hedge
I think grenades should not be in the talent tree
final stag
Veteran has had so many talent tree reworks man 💀
thick hedge
should just let players select
tall torrent
Veteran has had so many talent tree reworks man 💀
Can still use like 2 more lol
(Jk)
final stag
God
tall torrent
Veteran has a hilarious amount of trap talents
old quail
the game has a general problem with player powercreep atm - less nodes need to just give u free stat buffs with no real thought
tall torrent
And a pretty significant amount of meh talents
fast sundial
Veteran has a hilarious amount of trap talents
i would like details
final stag
Fast revive for instance
thick hedge
a lot of the right side talents are trap
final stag
Vanguard is pretty bad too
tall torrent
i would like details
Killzone (awkward)
Opening salvo (meme)
Covering fire (lol)
Exploit weakness (meme)
Skirmisher (meme)
Reciprocity (ultra niche)
Twinned blast (funny)
final stag
Out for blood is good vanguard isn't
old quail
the sprint cost is kind of okay for very specific purposes
fast sundial
Killzone (awkward)
Opening salvo (meme)
Covering fire (lol)
Exploit weakness (me...
what, close quarters killzone?
thick hedge
reciprocity actually good
fast sundial
does it only apply to ranged or something
old quail
like if u have a deadshot build and u can't take both stamina regen nodes it makes sprint sliding cost a lil less which is... okay?
fast sundial
reciprocity feels like it barely even triggers
final stag
I decided to make my exe stance build have the same stamina regen cool down as a psyker and just stacked stamina regen curios
old quail
reciprocity is very weapon dependent
fast sundial
probably because most things in melee with a power sword are dead and can't swing for you to dodge
old quail
higher stagger stuff gets less value out of it
final stag
So .5 seconds to regen stamina so more stamina fnndnf
thick hedge
because you are using a damn powersword which has terrible dodge
final stag
I hate ps dodge range and limit
fast sundial
because you are using a damn powersword which has terrible dodge
that is not the reason it doesn't really trigger reciprocity much
tall torrent
what, close quarters killzone?
CQKZ is:
+15% melee dmg for 10s
+15% close ranged dmg for 10s (15% till 8m, linear falloff to 0% at 30m)
midnight totem
Killzone (awkward)
Opening salvo (meme)
Covering fire (lol)
Exploit weakness (me...
Reciprocity isn't good?
fast sundial
a "terrible" dodge is still a dodge
tall torrent
reciprocity actually good
For 2 melee weapon types yes
final stag
I use killzone :,)
fast sundial
CQKZ is:
+15% melee dmg for 10s
+15% close ranged dmg for 10s (15% till 8m, line...
and this is a trap talent because why?
tall torrent
Reciprocity isn't good?
You can’t activate it from dodging gunners
tall torrent
Reciprocity isn't good?
I didn’t say CQKZ is trap, I said reciprocity is super niche
final stag
I use it to decimate hordes and hit breakpoints
thick hedge
it also works on your gun, makes quick swap revolver easier to pull off since you dont need to kill 3 things
old quail
reciprocity also isnt bad at all if ur doing something based like a mostly gun focused build
midnight totem
.... wait you can't activate it from gunners?
final stag
Since I don't have amazing weapons yet
midnight totem
What about shooters?
tall torrent
.... wait you can't activate it from gunners?
Yea
midnight totem
Lame
old quail
gunners don't proc almost all on-dodge talents
thick hedge
but works with duck and dive
tall torrent
What about shooters?
Regular shooter yes
But you would get shot into a beehive trying to activate all 5 stacks unless you also take duck & dive and just keep sprinting
thick hedge
lul
old quail
duck n dive is the only exception i think
tall torrent
It’s remarkably inconsistent to proc reciprocity with ghost and hit & run
old quail
Regular shooter yes
But you would get shot into a beehive trying to activate all...
shooters actually deal a very sad amount of damage
stalkers are the dangerous ones
(dregs dont have shooters so its only the scab guys who get fucked for some reason)
thick hedge
stalkers are the most annoying enmies in the game
tall torrent
shooters actually deal a very sad amount of damage
I just call them “shooters” for simplicity sake rn but yea
old quail
fair
tall torrent
You’d get shot into a beehive before u stack up reciprocity to a noticeable amount against large waves of ranged mobs
For most melee weapons if u kill things too fast you don’t get to dodge enough to activate it
tall torrent
Veteran is also a class where building non-crit breakpoints is very feasible and always reliable
So reciprocity just ends up being a “win more” for most weapons
When CQKZ actually has good uptime and improves all ur Dmg output
old quail
some of the events have random shooter adds that get pulled (i.e refinery delta mid) while ur meleeing stuff and can proc if p reliably
tall torrent
I will say tho for knife & tac axe, reciprocity is debatably better
wanton dawn
I just had the most stressful win in a while
It has started with a solo clutch with a BoN, a half-woken dh, zero thoughness
lyric dock
I just had the most stressful win in a while
Remember to take a nice break
wanton dawn
I JUST STARTED
thick hedge
dh doesnt attack if you are solo
final stag
Yeah CQKZ Is the talent that procs the most with WS makes my good weapons into great weapons
wanton dawn
Tell that to my BoN
tall torrent
because its very enemy composition dependent
👆
wanton dawn
He would wait for me to figure that out
final stag
Since I don't have the best Rashad and Revolver the ability to hit breakpoints by just doing what I do helps lolol
lyric dock
BoN is always fun boss to attempt to solo. One wrong move and you're at death's door step
final stag
God I hate BoN
wanton dawn
Well, someone disconnected. And reconnected
thick hedge
not fun at all idk what you are on about
final stag
Must've had stuttering frames
wanton dawn
Then I managed somehow
thick hedge
literally the worse of the three
wanton dawn
Spawn is fair
thick hedge
easier to solo than plogryn tbh
wanton dawn
I struggle with plogryn in psy testing
This PoS has tighter window in the training room
final stag
In a horde the plogryn is like a nuisance at best
thick hedge
i dont struggle, but plogryn is more bs with its hit box and behaviours
lyric dock
Plogryn is like the easiest monster to 1v1
What not having a "Disable grab" move does to a MF
final stag
Right
It has very lackluster combos which the CS has aggressive ones
And no disable grab
thick hedge
the grab from spawn is literally the easiest move to dodge in his entire moveset
wanton dawn
Plogryn is only difficult on bridge
final stag
If you're dumb enough to stand near him while he winds up his big ass stomp yeah
wanton dawn
If you're dumb enough to stand near him while he winds up his big ass stomp yeah
Imagine
thick hedge
problem with plogryn you have to maintain a very fine distance to animation lock him, too close and hist stomp will hit
final stag
If my small psyker was able to 1v1 a plogryn and a horde at the same time the thing is not scary at all
thick hedge
spawn you just need to stay in his face
lyric dock
If my small psyker was able to 1v1 a plogryn and a horde at the same time the th...
The horde is usually the most dangerous part of a Plogryn fight 
wanton dawn
Alright, am doing a nice t4shi to relax a bit
final stag
Chaos spawn at least makes you respect it
A leap
Multi hit hard hitting como
A grab that can heal it and corrupt you or use you as a weapon
Reasonably tough.
wanton dawn
gotta farm those repair mission
final stag
BoN is just unfun to fight however.
1v1 it's just an endurance fight because you can't flank it or get in it's face to melee it
agile forge
I fucking hate BoNs
hollow ibex
BoN is just unfun to fight however.
The biggest challenge fighting nurgle is resisting the temptation to fall asleep
final stag
The biggest challenge fighting nurgle is resisting the temptation to fall asleep
It's the fact with a team the BoN is probably the easiest boss it's just 1v1 it's such a slog
gray finch
BoN is just unfun to fight however.
1v1 is just wait till you get the better possition
try the 2v1
its a chaost
lyric dock
BoN fights go in 2 ways
- You have a bubble Psyker and you basically trivialize the entire encounter
- A long slug fest as you have to basically tip toe around Nurgle and praying someone is smart enough to abuse the fact it aggro on you to shoot its back
final stag
1v1 is run away and shoot and run away and shoot and run away and shoot
gray finch
or just dodge his puke and then attak it in melee
final stag
I have a build just for killing those stupid fucking slugs
final stag
And deals so much corruption
agile forge
For like 2 rooms and dumps you in the middle of hell
gray finch
you got a lot of time to just run away from it
lyric dock
And spits you out in a middle of a gunner shooting line and instantly die
final stag
Challenging a BoN to melee is asking to be vored
gray finch
i always go for melee on this boss its easier to kill it
final stag
And you'd do better using spitballs since it has high damage resistance anywhere besides it's pimple
gray finch
even with a lucius i go for melee and just dont shoot it
tame lodge
I fucking hate BoNs
I'm BoN strongest hater
final stag
Ong me too
agile forge
Helbore is great on unyielding damage with the bayonet
tame lodge
You'd be better shooting the weakspot with the Lucius, it's a lot of damage
final stag
Watching people challenge a BoN to a melee and always get eaten never gets funny to me
Never stops getting funny to me*
tame lodge
I would not hate, if you could still bully it as Ogryn, salt that slug
split sapphire
Anyone here fans of the Columbus mk. 5 infantry autogun?
tame lodge
I would not hate, if you could still bully it as Ogryn, salt that slug
Or set it ablaze
final stag
Anyone here fans of the Columbus mk. 5 infantry autogun?
Haven't used it
I'm a fan of the agripinaa stub revolver however
split sapphire
Hmm
tame lodge
If that's the so called Ciag (sure it is), pretty popular
shrewd lagoon
I'm BoN strongest hater
In the vet chat? The beast is the only monster the vet can damage lol
tame lodge
You haven't shot a Plogryn with a Lucius
final stag
With agri stub revolver I can dish out pretty monster damage
final stag
You haven't shot a Plogryn with a Lucius
Higui7ah 🤝 ~Punk ass Brigand~ using off meta to annihilate bosses
tame lodge
You haven't shot a Plogryn with a Lucius
You haven't headshot crit 360 surgical no scope executioner mf FC a Plogryn
final stag
I high noon plogryns for fun
final stag
I just dodge Dance with the agri
tame lodge
Emphasis on the dodge
final stag
Surprisingly good mobility with that revolver
hollow ibex
Anyone here fans of the Columbus mk. 5 infantry autogun?
Is just the strongest automatic weapon in the game 🥱
final stag
I first ran the Agripinaa stub revolver on a boss killer build on the auric maelstrom of chance of spawning bosses on specialist kills and it worked SWIMMINGLY
serene bough
Challenging a BoN to melee is asking to be vored
as long as you dont get barfed on he cant eat you
if you got a weapon w/ good dodge you can melee a BoN easy
tame lodge
I believe that he'll eat it if 1v1
tame lodge
Eh, so be it, don't let it stack three times though
serene bough
i realized this only a few weeks ago and it's changed how i interact with BoN
you can just bait the barf and dodge to the side for a lot of rapid weakspot hits w/ the knife and it cant do a thing about it
trim hemlock
Dodge-slide might be safer at times, albeit yeah, the Beast can’t eat you without that debuff
tall torrent
or change to crafting?
That’s gonna be 2nd major update
vague smelt
At least. They're giving something to engage in the game or grind for a while
I think 100 rewards are fine for how long the sessions are
lyric dock
It'll give you something to work towards at worst outside of watching Hadron brick every weapon she sees
half vigil
I wonder, how will look a loyalist Moebian 6th outfits?
final stag
They should look neat
tame lodge
Probably like the traitors
final stag
I just want NVG for my stealth vet bruh
tame lodge
I will shoot everything that looks like a 6th though
final stag
Turn me into Sam fisher of the imperium
tall torrent
I wonder, how will look a loyalist Moebian 6th outfits?
There’s datamined ogryn helm and it looks extremely high tech
tame lodge
Force of habit
half vigil
There’s datamined ogryn helm and it looks **extremely high tech**
you have a picture of it?
half vigil
👀
Okay now I might return to Darktide to get this cosmetic
that will be a lot of change from That
Filthy heretic
final stag
God we are evolving from hobos to stormtroopers
tall torrent
that will be a lot of change from *That*
I’d assume loyalist Moebian 6th veteran set to resemble either scab gunner or scab sniper
tame lodge
Ooh sniper, nice
final stag
I would love the sniper
lyric dock
And all the Challenges we did will Carry over
junior needle
5 months and all they have to show for it is a battle pass with cosmetics locked behind jumping through hoops and a stinky fart bomber
lyric dock
Just need a Dreg trapper now so Dreg have their special line up
junior needle
Oh yeah, and the cosmetics are repurposed from existing ones
midnight mortar
5 months and all they have to show for it is a battle pass with cosmetics locked...
It's just a reskinned variant of Okri's achievements from VT2 also. Something that they likely meant to put in at launch but failed to do.
junior needle
It's just a reskinned variant of Okri's achievements from VT2 also. Something th...
It's even more recycled than I thought, classic fatshark
midnight mortar
Cue the apologists expecting you to be grateful Fatshark decided to add anything to Darktide at all.
They didn't have to add in a revamped penance progression system you ungrateful swine.
thick hedge
gods be praised
heresy
tame lodge
You didn't know about Okri? Aight
junior needle
Didn't play much vt2
terse idol
5 months and all they have to show for it is a battle pass with cosmetics locked...
Oh come on
Freeeee
Battlepaassss
Everyone sees any battlepass and they're allergic frfr
junior needle
Free battlepass where you need to jump through hoops and do stinky annoying gimmicks for anything rather than just complete it for playing the game
terse idol
Free battlepass where you need to jump through hoops and do stinky annoying gimm...
They added a way for us to get cosmetics by hust playing the gaaame
🥺
last parcel
skyforge steel is all the companions will use, for good reason
junior needle
They added a way for us to get cosmetics by hust playing the gaaame
A very select few cosmetics that's mostly unimportant things like emotes and shit*
tame lodge
Free battlepass where you need to jump through hoops and do stinky annoying gimm...
Yeah, it's noticeable that you didn't play much VT2 and that's ok
tall torrent
5 months and all they have to show for it is a battle pass with cosmetics locked...
It’s not a battle pass tho
junior needle
It’s not a battle pass tho
Looks like a battle pass where you unlock things with penance points
Dunno what other term you wanna use
last parcel
just seems like a regular progression system to me
tall torrent
Looks like a battle pass where you unlock things with penance points
It’s a regular challenge-based progression system, not a battle pass
It’s not time limited with seasons, doesn’t require additional MTX to acquire, and can’t be accelerated with MTX
tribal tangle
im looking forward to it
unreal bone
Shop reset yet?
tribal tangle
ys
tall torrent
k lemme boot up the game
Decent weapon skins, mediocre character sets
tribal tangle
the thing to note is that zealot and psyker are the only new sets
head on vet is new
everything else is recolors/mashups
tall torrent
Zealot pants are reskin
tribal tangle
ah ok
tribal tangle
yeah all the sets are underwhelming
i bought the zealot chest, thats about the only thing i liked
tall torrent
Weapon skins are nice tho
tall torrent
In another 2 weeks we might get the update lol
tribal tangle
yeah, just not weapons i use lul
x doubt
i bet they'll push it to the last second
tall torrent
i bet they'll push it to the last second
Realistically April 30th
tribal tangle
bouta make april 35th
tall torrent
However in 2 weeks next rotation = they have to release at least a hotfix patch to add rotation stuff
unreal bone
I've basically stopped playing until something new comes out
by something new I mean even a new cool outfit.
but all the outfits lately have been trash
tiny summit
I definitely haven't played all of last month. Job trip and tekken
hearty panther
are bayonet memes still a thing
havent seen one in a while
so i assume they fixed the limbsplitter interaction and stuff
tall torrent
are bayonet memes still a thing
No
Limbsplitter got patched out
Then BM got patched out
It’s a very strict anti-rager tool now because it’s high dmg with very reliable stagger & fast atk speed
In terms of monster DPS it’s not as high as multiple charged weakspot hits (which can hit anywhere between 1.6k ~ 4k+ depending on variant & crit)
astral valve
Sure why not
random crane
Holy BIS
rigid pilot
It still decent, but it won't melt mixed hordes anymore
thick hedge
wym heresy
theres only the god emperor, every other god is heresy
fringe wyvern
Hadron please I already love you......
astral valve
Don't chip a tooth
fringe wyvern
Don't chip a tooth
What does that mean......
last parcel
when you're biting her gock
fringe wyvern
NO
astral valve
fringe wyvern
astral valve
fringe wyvern
tame lodge
Degenerates, all of you
astral valve
fringe wyvern
Bullying me like it matters
tame lodge
Can't bully ya, but I will misuse a toaster with Hadron watching
astral valve
You can't fit that much toast in there, you'll break it...
astral valve
actual lol
tame lodge
So down bad you tried to make out with the power grid
torpid quail
Wish less people used the professional archetype so I didn't feel so basic for choosing it
split sapphire
Really?
last parcel
I run into a lot more loose cannons
astral valve
I love the female professional
tame lodge
I've probably seen more professionals than the others
With the rare sight of female cutthroat
vocal cipher
my vet actually IS a female cutthroat. not sure why but her voice just makes me happy
split sapphire
I have the professional dude, tho i may consider a different one once that new big update hits
vocal cipher
i like the male professional. he seems like such a bro, much like his VA is
split sapphire
Ya, lol
vocal cipher
honestly i'm kinda hype for this update. the loyalist moebian six thing might make me friendly fire more though, for i am a moron
split sapphire
Oof
vocal cipher
luckily friendly fire doesn't actually hurt. though i have mistaken friendlies for enemies BEFORE this update
rigid pilot
Scab gunner cosplay real
last pewter
tbh Darktide did not help me with friendly fire
if anything I just took to firing through my allies lmao
last pewter
honestly call me basic maybe but I've grown to really enjoy female Cutthroat
tbh that's more the fact that I disregarded Cutthroat as being too 'edgy' before
torpid quail
I like her too
tall torrent
Sure why not
tall torrent
Hadron please I already love you......
carapace is useless on laspistol (for veteran)
between the eyes does nothing for laspistol because it's permanently immune to suppression (wasted blessing slot)
fringe wyvern
carapace is useless on laspistol (for veteran)
between the eyes does nothing for...
thanks
This is probably the slowest weapon grind I've ever had
Seems like that laspistol is a fun one for stealthy ones
last parcel
tame lodge
What's good for knives again?
tall torrent
What's good for knives again?
Uncanny + riposte/mercy/precog
tame lodge
Oh good, those are the few blessings that I have, thx
final stag
Seems like that laspistol is a fun one for stealthy ones
Stealth gameplay
fringe wyvern
Stealth gameplay
funny pistol go fast
rigid pilot
Slippy slidey fast switchie
fringe wyvern
very nice combo of things
last parcel
fringe wyvern
revolvers n pistols have a special place in my heart because of stuff like this
tame lodge
I'm laughing at the first sniper
rigid pilot
The iron could be bigger
grand perch
the stranger with the reasonably sized iron on his hip
fringe wyvern
The iron is big in spirit
fringe wyvern
I need two power swords but one I throw at enemies and it kills everything in it's path just the catch is that it doesn't go far
late hatch
Hadron please I already love you......
laspistols already have suppression immunity built in, unless its changed in the most recent patch.
Ghost gives you immunity to ranged attacks for 1.2s at t4, BIS blessing
gilded wraith
Vraks 7 blessing recommendations?
last parcel
Vraks 7 blessing recommendations?
Surgical/Deadly Accurate
gilded wraith
Working with this
late hatch
swap out crucian for DA, you probs want to swap the unyeilding for flak but im not 100% on damage type BPs
grand perch
i mean unyielding is fine if you care about boss damage
late hatch
in most missions unyeilding just doesnt count so much, and your job is to pick high prio targets like elites and specials plus shooters
grand perch
Yeah but on that particular gun, I think I'd use the second crafting slot towards deadly accurate
late hatch
yeah probably. crucian is just so weak
bitter turtle
terse idol
i mean unyielding is fine if you care about boss damage
Uhhh
Okay depending on wether or not the modifiers for unyielding are even good
You don't want it on a Headhunter Autogun
There's only so many weapons that are good with unyielding
Bolt gun
junior needle
Unyielding is only a handful of enemies including bosses
Compared to the large amounts of flak/maniac enemies
wanton dawn
Most unyielding enemies are not prio target for ranged
Its good on very few gun and when its good it is a flex pick or dedicated antiboss
daring jungle
what are the best blessing for a plasma gun?
dire olive
The crit one
austere pine
what are the best blessing for a plasma gun?
document pinned
final stag
<:whatthefuck_heresy:1049724444207239168>
I.FUCKINH LOVE AGRIPINAA
agile forge
You generally shoot Reapers too tbh, it can help a bunch on them
I like Unyielding if I've got enough damage multipliers across other shit to kill anything smaller than an ogryn in a couple of bullets either way
Like on ES/MF builds or on gunker builds
terse idol
You generally shoot Reapers too tbh, it can help a bunch on them
Reapers just aren't tanky enough to justify running unyielding
agile forge
Talking more about my gunker here, but he kills pretty much everything else so quickly anyway, but Reapers can start suppression which murders my killing power (CIAG, if I ran laspistol instead it would be fine)
It's pretty much only ogryn and bosses which can stand up to me for more than a second or so, and the boss dps is very significant so boosting it is really good
sharp ember
Just read the dev blog, I am hearing them out 👀
Dreg bomber looks morbidly good
and i want loyalist moebian fit
terse idol
Talking more about my gunker here, but he kills pretty much everything else so q...
Waaiit if you're running the ciag anyways that's one of the highest dps guns in the game, I mean sure there's an argument to be had there, but the issue being reapers melt from the ciag anywhoo.
dreamy spade
perfect curio
trim hemlock
does that new update mention any new weapons?
There’s been nothing like that mentioned, so, probably no.
sharp ember
yeah if they’re doing any weaponry they’re keeping it in their back pocket
trim hemlock
And who knows if they decide to add a new weapon even before that (I doubt that they will, though)
sharp ember
i wanna see what loyalist moebian fit looks like
supple stag
I honestly don't mind delayed shit, unless it's not only delayed but broken as well
Hurry is never good, Cyberpunk 2077 being the brightest example
agile forge
Waaiit if you're running the ciag anyways that's one of the highest dps guns in ...
Everything melts tbf lol
Only Crushers really don't, and I've got a poking stick for them. Unyielding class enemies are pretty much the only ones that don't die instantly
terse idol
Only Crushers really don't, and I've got a poking stick for them. Unyielding cla...
Aye gurantee you, reapers die instantly
And MF ciag stiiill shreds bosses
agile forge
Slower than gunners, shotgunners, etc
agile forge
I think that's my other perk lol
severe gale
You know what's tankier than a reaper, mutants
don’t they both have 4k health?
oh wait maniac vs unyielding
whoops
terse idol
Yeah, but then I'd say you see mutants more commonly than reapers
severe gale
true
but imo mutants aren’t really a threat
they’re easy to dodge and die fast to melee
rarely would killing a mutant at range actually be beneficial
daring jungle
no hotshot lasgun
no meltagun 😢
terse idol
I mean, it's the difference between letting it get close, and deleting the. before they vet close to even potentially become a threat
severe gale
I mean, it's the difference between letting it get close, and deleting the. befo...
i just can’t think of a time where i’ve had a run go bad because of a mutant
except one time where it threw a teammate into a dh
terse idol
It's the whole what like, also maniac covers, scab flamers
severe gale
maniac is useful but i wouldn’t say for mutants
mainly just picking off the other specials
terse idol
I gotta recollect my thoughts but!
It's hard to go wrong with like Flak Maniac for the ciag
Oh right and like, besekers *cough
agile forge
Mutants are dive tanks
They never wipe you on their own but they take up focus
Same with bulwarks (which are more wall tanks)
terse idol
Also God forbid you like, get comboed by a mutant that throws you into a trapper or throws you into fire
agile forge
Throwing into fire isn't the worst part tbh, it's bring charged into it
astral ingot
mutie slammed into bomber fire
severe gale
yum toasted zealot
lilac kayak
Though it's not as bad as a chaos spawn cooking u alive as it eats u over the fire 😋
lyric dock
perfect curio
better to replace Corruption resist for Gunner resist
vague smelt
Power Cycler IV mine
vague smelt
That's a perfectly usable sword out of the box as well
I mean I have this one now
lyric dock
Fair nuff
visual island
I have returned from the abyss to co firm I have become a vet main
solid hollow
Corny question, but any advice for the “on overwatch” penance? I’ve been running around with a knife and stealth forever but I always get smacked once or twice before the end of the mission :(
solid hollow
I have returned from the abyss to co firm I have become a vet main
Hell yeah
visual island
Been playing alot of anti elite vet.
But I cannot lie it's so satisfying to melt a pox walker with a charged plasma shot
visual island
Which is better plasma or bolt?
solid hollow
I prefer kinetic weapons to energy weapons, but the bolter is not good. I haven’t played with the plasma gun to actually know how good it is, so I can’t say anything in that regard. As for the bolter, in a vacuum it is bad. The damage and fire rate are not worth the short range and abysmal reload, but it is very fun.
tall torrent
I prefer kinetic weapons to energy weapons, but the bolter is not good. I haven’...
Boltgun on veteran is supposed to be an ADS sniper-style weapon
hollow ibex
Which is better plasma or bolt?
plasma is one of the best guns in the game.... so yeah
visual island
plasma is one of the best guns in the game.... so yeah
Eh fair. I've had people leave cuz I've used it tho
hollow ibex
that's silly
visual island
Yeah they were like 'yay plasma vet' then left mid mission
lyric dock
Yeah they were like 'yay plasma vet' then left mid mission
And they proceed to only get Plasma vets for the next 5 sessions and for insult to injury all those sessions get 880 plasteel
tall torrent
opaque kayak
Stop stealing my kills!
lyric dock
"What was that. I can't hear you over the beeping of my Plasma gun"
tall torrent
Yeah they were like 'yay plasma vet' then left mid mission
All the classes have some really broken ways to play this game those people are just losers lol
lyric dock
And if you play the cherry pick game. Expect your average lobby to be worse on average
hollow ibex
yeah plasma isn't particularly obnoxious
inland orchid
you're doin the emperor's work with that supression higu
solid hollow
Boltgun on veteran is supposed to be an ADS sniper-style weapon
I guess I’ve been using it wrong lol
inland orchid
if i ever see u and i got my plasma ill be glad to suppressin fire your advance
tall torrent
I guess I’ve been using it wrong lol
Yea if you’re going for a full auto magdump Boltgun, zealot uses it way better than veteran does
solid hollow
That’s where I first used it lmao
tall torrent
Zealot can unironically 1 mag half health off a plague ogryn
inland orchid
as melee operator can do, stealth build or not
tall torrent
Boltgun is also a finesse weapon (weakspot & crit)
inland orchid
Boltgun is also a finesse weapon (weakspot & crit)
this realization is almost as good as me learnin krak's are also effected by weakspot, thank u for the golden info 
frank ether
I prefer kinetic weapons to energy weapons, but the bolter is not good. I haven’...
bolter isn't bad, nor is it a short range weapon
tall torrent
this realization is almost as good as me learnin krak's are also effected by wea...
Kraks are affected by weakspot?
solid hollow
bolter isn't bad, nor is it a short range weapon
I said it was bad in a vacuum, and that’s because I was using it in the mindset of another class
I have since been enlightened
inland orchid
Kraks are affected by weakspot?
Yes ive seen the diff with my own eyes against a haz 5 chaos spawn, regular talent noded krak did like 20% meanwhile a weakspot one was like 30-35%
tall torrent
Huh
frank ether
I said it was bad in a vacuum, and that’s because I was using it in the mindset ...
Well if you want to do the kind of stuff zealot does with it then unfortunately it might disappoint
tall torrent
I’ll ask
inland orchid
is more obvious on junk like plague ogryns cuz their head is so big
solid hollow
Well if you want to do the kind of stuff zealot does with it then unfortunately ...
Yes I’ve realized
frank ether
I think mainly its executioner stance for veteran that is rather bad which drags down the kind of weapons and builds that relies on it
inland orchid
or BoN cuz of the cyst weakspot
tame lodge
It's definitely noticeable on BoN
astral valve
Yeah they were like 'yay plasma vet' then left mid mission
Saved you the trouble of playing with jerks
lyric dock
Saved you the trouble of playing with jerks <:PES_Angel:674277790513758209>
I remember 1 player that basically refused to revive or rescue a vet because they were using the "Noob weapon" (Plasma gun). You can tell who was left to die to a trapper or Dog for that
wanton dawn
I guess they were zealot ?
Zealot is the only class I don't remember having a completely broken setup in recent history.
The last i remember was flamer pre-nerf
infinite cleave throwing knife was no assail pre-nerf
frank ether
I consider relic just as broken as voc but I guess it takes a smidge more brain cells to use than voc
wanton dawn
I don't consider VoC to be as broken as 0 ammo kickback or pre-nerf voidstrike
frank ether
sure not broken in that sense, but remember just recently they broke it and made it immune to gunfire and flame dots lmao
Even without that voc plasma psword vet more than trivializes the game
tame lodge
Chastise itself is strong
And I not talking only about the numbers
Did you know that you are immune to sniper during the dash period
You can dash straight at it
And other interactions
hearty panther
you're damage immune period
it's not just snipers
if you are actually ridiculous enough to time the dash + distance of travel like that to take advantage of it, then more power to you
really it's just something that occasionally takes you by surprise and not much else
tame lodge
The thing is that you can get shot by gunners and shotgunners with the same setup
One of the reasons people take Twbs
You can dash into flamers as well
It's funny how you can stagger everything that isn't a shield/crusher/monstrosity by tackling
You can make a crusher flinch but that doesn't really help
lyric dock
Sure love seeing a empty store
empty kettle
Buff brunt
supple stag
Brunt had enough of your weapon complaints, he only sells curios now
lyric dock
||Done via the Filter trash mod. So if I only see Curios meaning that Brunt had a shit rotation||
remote osprey
||Done via the Filter trash mod. So if I only see Curios meaning that Brunt had ...
How is trash considered as "trash"?
lyric dock
I have mine set a weapon that isn't at a certain base rating (351+) is hidden. If they happen to check the base rating make. I also hide weapons with sub 70% in key stats (Damage, Penetration, Stopping power for example)
remote osprey
I have mine set a weapon that isn't at a certain base rating (351+) is hidden. I...
Thanks, time to try that as well.
lyric dock
agile forge
I think mainly its executioner stance for veteran that is rather bad which drags...
It's really good with a few weapons in particular
like CIAG uses it really well
frank ether
bruh ciag works regardless
it works on literally every single build its available on
agile forge
True, but it's one of the weapons that benefits from every aspect of ES
it's probably the best usecase for it
Great headshot damage, low damage per bullet but high fire rate, affected by suppression and a bit unstable
and good for picking out shooters
so every single element of ES helps
(and it's still probably less good than VoC for general useability, but yeah lol)
it'd be nice if it had like a minor toughness damage reduction as part of it too
serene bough
Exe stance probably benefits the iLas 1a the most since it reliably pushes a few breakpoints to the 1hko threshold
Ciag definitely doesn't need exe stance
agile forge
Doesn't need, but it feels really good lol
frank ether
Ciag being overpowered does not make exe stance good
hearty panther
VoC being wildly overtuned doesn't make exe stance bad
frank ether
I'm hoping for some fat VoC nerfs so this brainlet take can die honestly
hearty panther
day # whatever of waiting for yet another veteran rework
frank ether
it needs to happen so vet players can move forward and make realistic realizations about the state of their talent tree
the class has things that are too strong and affordable and then things that are way too niche and taxed to hell
frank ether
day # whatever of waiting for yet another veteran rework
is it a real patch if it doesn't have a vet rework
lyric dock
VoC just needs a longer CD like 45 seconds
hearty panther
really overheal toughness needs a rework before they even decide what to do with abilities that use it
frank ether
I don't think cooldowns solve the problem, the yellow toughness is just bad, period.
empty kettle
VoC just needs a longer CD like 45 seconds
and it doesn’t instantly refuel the users toughness gives 50 back or 100 if you have the perk
frank ether
Yellow toughness trivializes the game for the team
both with relic and VoC it just lets you snowball and never have to use ammo/heals because you can confidently steamroll
empty kettle
What would you do with yellow toughness?
frank ether
remove it.
hearty panther
nah, just make it what it actually is on the tin
temporary flat toughness over your own toughness. you lose it, it's gone
frank ether
That would also work.
hearty panther
the sorest point right now is that +toughness is actually a buff that you can regenerate back into
serene bough
temporary flat toughness over your own toughness. you lose it, it's gone
additionally, it should decay over time
frank ether
I don't hate that, thats not a half bad idea.
hearty panther
that's what makes it so fucking wild
if vet was just blasting out a flat one-time +50 toughness that could eat a poxburster, that'd be dope
instead it's a buff that gives you that potential for 15s
and that's fucking dumbo
frank ether
yeh
tall torrent
instead it's a buff that gives you that potential for 15s
Actually, nerf that 15s down to 10s first
hearty panther
you gotta do these changes piecemeal
frank ether
I'd also probably nerf the stun so it doesn't work on bosses, but this is a thing that needs to happen on a game wide level not just for VoC
hearty panther
50 could no longer be sufficient for toughness value if this is the effect it has either
so start with the intended/effective functionality
frank ether
So currently there are way too many things that trivialize bosses imo
hearty panther
and then tweak numbers from there
empty kettle
I'd also probably nerf the stun so it doesn't work on bosses, but this is a thin...
Except for Ogryn ig
hearty panther
idk i dont really care about bosses being stunlocked
they rarely damage me anyway
frank ether
I do, its part of the game that I don't get to experience anymore
almost every single build gets to slap them around or instanuke them quite literally
hearty panther
i mean the 'experience' is you learn to dodge them and then both results are the same
they dont do anything but push the field around a bit
frank ether
its almost an achievement to make a build in this game that doesnt trivialize bossfights
lyric dock
They're a giant ass distraction at the end of the day
grand perch
its okay if voc is overtuned as long as the other abilities arent trash. you dont have to play optimally with plasma + voc + PS if you dont want to
hearty panther
i was kinda disappointed when they nerfed the chaos spawn. i totally get making the grab less un-dodgable but they made all of his attacks easier to dodge and block
that sucked, he was literally the only boss that could pressure a team
frank ether
no single enemy is all that difficult on their own
hearty panther
thats the thing, none of the bosses are hard. ever, lmao
frank ether
darktide doesn't need incredibly hard bosses
it needs smaller enemies to matter more
chaff and scabs are an absolute joke atm
tall torrent
Chaos spawn is prob still the most annoying enemy for solo clutch
hearty panther
like as it stands presently, one person has boss aggro and they walk off and dodge dance it until everything else is handled
grand perch
bosses arent supposed to be superhard on their own, their point is to create situations where the rest of the heretics can overwhelm you
frank ether
well moreso scabs, Idk they are supposed to be this traitor guardsman thats experienced and shit
yet they are absolute pushovers
lyric dock
Chaos spawn is prob still the most annoying enemy for solo clutch
That I can speak from experience. It's a pain in the ass
lyric dock
bosses arent supposed to be superhard on their own, their point is to create sit...
A badly timed boss can cause a lot of issues.
hearty panther
a boss should, yes
the only one that tends to is the BoN, and that's indirectly by just being super sluggy and gross
lyric dock
Bosses during hunting grounds is quite....a experience
tall torrent
BoN is the worst designed boss by far
hearty panther
but since they tend to have really simple AI and aggro to a single player until another attacks them, they're trivial to handle
what they SHOULD do is stomp around all over and hit everybody all the time
what they ARE instead is the poor man's version of a Dark Souls fight
trying to 1v1
like in that clip, if that cspawn just
left me alone
and jumped on my team who was fighting a different cspawn already
or if that one left my team and jumped onto me
that wouldve really started fucking with us
but they dont ever do that
theyre very fucking stupid
grand perch
squishing them in a door is absolutely hilarious still
hearty panther
so it doesnt matter how 'hard' they are to 'fight' vis-a-vis their movesets and attacks
because you can always manipulate their incredibly dumb AI
hearty panther
and so long as one player has any idea how to fight the boss solo, there is no challenge
frank ether
I like how we were talking about how BoN should be this unit spawner thing
and it happened in HD2
agile forge
tbh my favourite veteran build is still execution stance, marksman focus CIAG with no grenade regen and deadshot but yeah, it's probably the one that I find it hardest to actually win on