veteran-class

[supple stag]

Try something of a comissar build, chainsword + laspistol

[astral valve]

Double duration is nice for smoke though, I do take it there

[agile forge]

I'm into it. I also wanna do a build with weapon spec

[supple stag]

I use kraks on Power Sword + Vraks 7 with weapon spec

[agile forge]

I hear that, my smokes build doesn't run that and it feels the absence

[supple stag]

my prefered way to play Vet

and VoC because I am cringe

I use my ranged on occassion, I have like 600-700 melee kills and 100 something range usually

[junior needle]

Requiring more distance to a target is an impractical mechanic when the most dangerous things run at you

[astral valve]

I made some adjustments based on feedback here and the veteran guide and have been having a blast as a sharpshooter. Popping executioner's stance and melting a room full of yellow guys for so long that the ability is back up before it wears off is the best

[tall torrent]

that's why I hate killzone yea
catch a breath is same mechanic but different in practice

[agile forge]

Heh, have I got a build for you

Let me get back to my PC and show you

[astral valve]

I've been using this

[agile forge]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9bb87a2b-63e9-4377-938b-d042cfd0872c

oh emperor, you're almost as degenerate as me

[astral valve]

Yeah! We aren't too far off

[agile forge]

but look upon mine unholy tree and despair

Grenades? Fuck 'em, take rending and ogryn/monster damage :D

Basically, you're a gun psyker

only somehow even more extreme

[wanton dawn]

Its close to mine

[astral valve]

Oh the shredder build I have 1 extra point (everything else is the same) that goes into Iron Will

I'm working on getting a good shovel together so I have some recourse when faced with bigger dudes

[astral valve]

Maybe Exhiliarating Takedown would be a better spot for that point, hrm

[wanton dawn]

Ops, i put ogryn highlight

Oh well, just put shooter instead

Dont wanna redo screenshot

[agile forge]

Yeah, you use Focus Target though

which is probably the more sensible choice

I'm kinda into the bullshit that is MF though

[wanton dawn]

Yeah, cuz i get better stam management for deadshot

[agile forge]

Tbh, for me deadshot is mostly to compensate for not having MF stacks once I start shooting

I start with the bonus from that, and finish with the bonus from MF

apart from the glorious random points where I have both active at the same time

I try to shoot from the hip when I can too, if it's a weaker target up close, just to save my deadshot

[astral valve]

I've been rolling with this

[wanton dawn]

Graia

[astral valve]

Unless something is really far away it's pretty darn accurate while braced

MF tops out in a hurry and you just hose down the room

[wanton dawn]

Braced are darn accurate... unbraced

[astral valve]

Yeah well we don't talk about unbraced

[agile forge]

iirc Graia's the one braced autogun that actually wants to brace

[wanton dawn]

I tried a deadshot braced build once

[agile forge]

it gets the firerate boost for some fucking reason

[wanton dawn]

Was ehh, too much effort

[tall torrent]

Goes from 666rpm to 800rpm

Same firerate as Columnus mk5

[astral valve]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9bb87f4d-e560-4a8f-a6b5-684b15c52aad is my squad leader which I haven't gotten to test much since I reworked the talents. Might suck

[wanton dawn]

"Brace yourself !! bbbrrrrRRRRRRRR !!!

[fringe wyvern]

how's this

[astral valve]

I'm not qualified to answer that question lol

Veteran guard says high priority stats are damage, first target, and penetration and the last two seem a little low

[tame lodge]

Oh the amount of Graias that I have

[astral valve]

There are many like it, but this one is mine.

[agile forge]

I gotta say, I fucking love that shovel

I'm using it in a build that mostly relies on a bayonet though

[astral valve]

I've got one I'm saving to upgrade, hopefully it turns out okay

[agile forge]

but the moments where it's shovel time are the best moments

I like it way more than the ogryn ones

[astral valve]

I forget what my current shovel is but it's not the MkVII. It's basically a flyswatter and sends all of the trash flying through the air without actually killing it haha

[agile forge]

took me like a week to build it but I'm really happy with mine, even if it's only uncanny 3 and thrust 3

Does it have the folding?

if it does it's a III

[astral valve]

Yeah

[agile forge]

if it doesn't it's standard issue

[astral valve]

And it makes a really satisfying BONK

[agile forge]

The VII too

I love how the special attack has the double hit too

[astral valve]

I think when I was testing them out the III felt like it had better range so I went with that

[agile forge]

like sometimes you stick 'em with it, they survive for a moment, but pulling it out kills them

[astral valve]

My first 200 hours in this game was just playing casually and picking what "felt good" or was fun. I'm just now starting to get into a little of the meta of what's actually effective

[agile forge]

Not a bad way to start tbh

[astral valve]

impact impact impact

[agile forge]

I think you can make basically any weapon good

apart from a couple of exceptions

[astral valve]

Yeah I haven't really had any problems at all

Buying a bunch of gray weapons to test them out and picking the ones that seem to act the way I want and then upgrading them was pretty satisfying

[agile forge]

Trying to do that makes me anxious though lmao

I like to have an idea of what good at least looks like

so I can then iterate off of it

[astral valve]

When you don't know what half of the stats do or what's important it's way easier :D

"This one is easy to do broad sweeps for horde clears, keep"

This is the Mk VII that's waiting to be upgraded, I'm sure it will turn out good enough for my purposes

[agile forge]

I would call that bricked

[hollow ibex]

Technically not bricked until purple

But yeah

95 percent bricked

[agile forge]

I don't rate skullcrusher too high on that shovel

[supple stag]

I've been using both VII and III but I feel like III is a tiny bit better

[agile forge]

Haven't used it but doesn't seem like it would be worthwhile, given how it operates

[supple stag]

Shovels are odd, they do well against armoured with uncanny, but hordes feel sluggish

[fringe wyvern]

It was much better than my previous one

[agile forge]

They're safe as hell against hordes

But they don't kill super well

Actually tbh

[fringe wyvern]

thankfully there isn't much difference between 65-80%

for any stat

[agile forge]

That's an argument for skullcrusher lmao

Idk how necessary uncanny truly is

[fringe wyvern]

It's saved my ass many times already

[tall torrent]

If it’s underlined, it’s undeniably mandatory

[hollow ibex]

That’s the point unless you use standard shovel

[tall torrent]

Standard is the same thing except no high dmg fold atk

[hollow ibex]

Standard is somewhat better at hordes though

[tall torrent]

Not really

[hollow ibex]

It definitely got overshadowed

[tall torrent]

It’s around the same as Mk7

[hollow ibex]

I really disliked mk VII horde clear

But standard felt safe with just heavy spam

[tall torrent]

Mk3 has the worst horde clear out of the 3

Mk7 horde combo is

L1/H1 > [H2 > L3/H1]

You loop H2 (left to right sweep) with L3 or H1

[finite imp]

https://tenor.com/view/nothing-food-fridge-sad-gif-16804654

[fringe wyvern]

I'm guessing with this the red ones are the best ones? Not really good with lack of context here sorry

[astral valve]

The red ones are the suggested blessings, above that are the suggested perks. For more context you can check out the Veteran guide PDF in the latest pin (that's what I'm referencing)

[fringe wyvern]

Don't know how to read but I think I know what to do now. Thank you for the assistance

[tall torrent]

lemme just send u the current version

[tall torrent]

I’ll send u too

[fringe wyvern]

If it's all charts and abbreviations it's not gonna help but I appreciate the offer 🙏

(not mean)

[tall torrent]

it's not

[astral valve]

[fringe wyvern]

👁️

[astral valve]

It's got a lot of good info in there in addition to a bunch of abbreviations, which there's an explanation for too :D

At least the old one does
I assume the newer version isn't worse...

[tall torrent]

The abbreviations are limited & explained at the very start in “terminology” section

[fringe wyvern]

Alright

[tall torrent]

Whole talent tree section is revamped

It’s a lot of improvements from last version

If u have questions abt it just @ me and ask

Or dm me and ask

[fringe wyvern]

maybe this will just be my casual class 💀

[astral valve]

They don't make those in Darktide lol

There's always a rabbit hole to fall down if you're looking for one

[agile forge]

If you wanna play casual just do a FT VoC plasma and power sword VI build tbh

[fringe wyvern]

Don't like plasma gun

[slate hawk]

Devil's claw mk 4 is more casual melee imo

[slate hawk]

Why not?

[fringe wyvern]

Low mobility

Kills stuff but very clunky to use

[slate hawk]

True, do you just doge or do you doge-slide?

[fringe wyvern]

Both but it's very unsatisfying to play

[slate hawk]

Point click adventure gun tho

Well then id recommend the revolver, the 1st one not the new one

[fringe wyvern]

yucky gun

So far the Zarona's fun, Accatran Laspistol is very yummy

Vraks 7 I'm going to marry- I mean, always have on me

[slate hawk]

Las pistol tickles enemies imo

[fringe wyvern]

It's been good with headshots, even better if it's got some stopping power to it to annoy gunners and snipers

[slate hawk]

Plasma gun kills them instead of annoying them

Granted I am bias

[torn inlet]

that’s funny because i find pg way more mobile because it has no animation lock

[astral valve]

I take plasma for headshotting the big guys and occasionally sniping, when I don't have other great ways to deal with them in a build

[torn inlet]

pg is ideal for weapon swap players

[astral valve]

Maybe clearing out some narrow hallways

[torn inlet]

its no pre nerf shredder

[astral valve]

It shoots beams of krak

[torn inlet]

but its hardly low mobility. sounds like skill issue

[fringe wyvern]

I also only played it on lower level missions

Handled weird. Didn't like

[wanton dawn]

Plasma kinda is low mobility. Except it has one the fastest swap speed out of all vet guns

[astral valve]

You gotta block out part of your calendar for reload time though

[wanton dawn]

Sure, but you have almost 30s to empty a mag

If you cannot find a window to safely reload, that's on you

[astral valve]

That's why it's tricky, it lasts so long I forget about it until it's too late :P

The clip I mean

[wanton dawn]

In any case: yes plasma is a weird gun to handle compared to the rest.

[agile forge]

If you animation cancel you can cut half of its reload time out

[wanton dawn]

But like bolter back in the day: you can handle the jank. And you get the best performance out of it

[slate hawk]

^ @fringe wyvern
Not normal plasma gun gameplay against gunners but maybe this will give you some faith in the gun

Also the plasma gun has the most Penetration Out of any other gun in the game

[astral valve]

bonk bonk bonk bonk

[agile forge]

I like plasma mostly because I hate Bulwarks

[slate hawk]

Yes

[slate hawk]

I've posted this too much lmao

[astral valve]

haha

The only recent video I have is an experiment with interpolation, and a gunner catching a rock in the face with a really satisfying thud

[slate hawk]

Lol

You had the perfect view

[fringe wyvern]

It gave me less

[slate hawk]

H

How?

I am genuinely baffled and confused

[astral valve]

Everyone has their own heresy to contend with

[fringe wyvern]

Would have been better to grenade it and shoot some Vraks 7 rounds at it

[slate hawk]

Seems to be that way

[lyric dock]

Of all the things I expected

[astral valve]

God I love the banter so much in...oh hah hello there

[lyric dock]

Being sniped wasn't one of them

[slate hawk]

Oh no rager patrol,
Anyways

[lyric dock]

Typical Zealot things

[slate hawk]

I was laughing like a maniac

This door glitch out for anyone else recently?

[lyric dock]

Yep

It broke in a recent patch

[slate hawk]

lol

[lyric dock]

Only mercy is the AI doesn't seem to shoot

[astral valve]

For the longest time I had no idea the plasma gun could explode psyker-style

[lyric dock]

Only if you do a Charge up shot

If you do a M1 shot you cool down and then fire

[astral valve]

It was an emergency

[lyric dock]

Also fun fun fact: Before it was patched out. You Could get the Psyker challenge of "Killing an elite by blowing your own dumbass up" as Vet with the Plasma

[astral valve]

haha

Did it at least get a separate achievement? It deserves one

[lyric dock]

No

Rather not have another "Disregard your own life for a shiny pair of pants"

[astral valve]

I got the psyker one on accident

You can trust me..

[lyric dock]

It took me a few attempts to get it because how much of a pain in the ass it is

[astral valve]

I just randomly overdid it close to a mob 😅

[austere pine]

i hate shotguns but this is a sadge

[lyric dock]

The only shotgun I like is a Ripper or a Kickback

[austere pine]

i don't like ogryn so i can't say i like those either

what a glorious brick

[astral valve]

Don't let Ulgo hear that

[austere pine]

as in i don't like it when i have to play ogryn. big and strong but i like my weapons more complex than a tube and a round

[ripe totem]

it should instant kill a beast of nurgle if you get devoured while plasma is in overdrive about to explode

somefing spicy

[astral valve]

Achievement unlocked: taking one for the team

[austere pine]

this might turn out well

[astral valve]

Maybe "Ring Sting"

[lyric dock]

I wish and same for Psykers popping

[lyric dock]

Spoiler alert: ||Hadron bricks it||

[austere pine]

i have found a ridiculous application for deadshot

consider this. revolver, most likely the agri. you have stamina, you right click, you spam out 5 shots at increased crit rate and an improved range due to reduced sway

[hollow ibex]

Shotguns are great smh

[fringe wyvern]

shitguns on vet very fun

shot

I'm taking a nap.

[ripe totem]

freudian slip

[wanton dawn]

try it with deadshit

[fringe wyvern]

I'll Freudian slip you some kind words of encouragement for your next engagement, soldier....

[austere pine]

even your subconscious mind knows the truth

[ripe totem]

[fringe wyvern]

Farting Frenzy

[austere pine]

every single time i see anybody, vet or zealot, with a shotty, i fall apart a little

[fringe wyvern]

Do you not find satisfaction with watching all those messy meaty chunks flying and it's right up in your face. and you can keep doing it and there's so much everywhere

[lyric dock]

When I typically see shottys 9/10 times it is on a Zealot

And they put some good work with it

1/10 times is with a vet and well....

Results may vary...

[austere pine]

counterpoint: revolvers shooting off limbs of enemies and you get to watch them realize in horror that their puny heretic bodies are failing them

[astral valve]

I don't use shotguns because I suck with them and they make me feel terrible about myself

[austere mica]

I'm trying to get a lawb horde clear build together

still no flechettes

[austere pine]

counterpoint no.2: basically any melee weapon doing the exact same thing as a shotgun without requiring any ammunition

[fringe wyvern]

But shotgun do it a little farther away and louder and it's so exciting and if it's the Kantrael you also cook them

[austere pine]

counterpoint no.3: flamer as zealot

[hollow ibex]

Cook them first, then dice them

[astral valve]

"This shotgun is like throwing a bunch of tiny melee weapons right, so why not just keep one melee weapon and use that instead of throwing it away"

[austere pine]

counterpoint no.4: braced autoguns

counterpoint no.5: ciag

[hollow ibex]

Can spam chat with all the counterpoints you want, but it’s a waste of time when none of them are valid

[austere pine]

imma make your gun invalid the next time i see a shotgun user in my match

[fringe wyvern]

I'll make you smile and blush a little when I start blasting.....

[austere pine]

"oh, what baby damage."

"here, little shotty player. try a real weapon" i say while handing you a chain sword

[astral valve]

There's always a chance that I'm the idiot in a match so I try not to judge players by their weapons unless they're being so bad even I can notice

[austere pine]

i do notice weapons but most of the time, any player can be bad, regardless of their weapon

i do judge but only in way of "what made you pick this gun over many others?"

[hollow ibex]

I do notice recon vets and lugger ogryns

Those need to be monitored

https://tenor.com/view/robert-de-niro-watching-you-eyes-on-you-looking-at-you-gif-12301153

[astral valve]

More often than not I'm impressed when someone is going to town with a weapon I don't like or am atrocious with

[last parcel]

oh good so my recon psyker is safe

[astral valve]

Happens a lot with ogryns at least for me

[hollow ibex]

Why did you have to remind me

That recon psyker exists

[austere pine]

funnily enough? recon vets are either full trolls going with a smoke grenade and a basic shovel or they're genuinelygood player with a decent-enough understanding of the game where even the drawbacks of their weapon don't matter as much

honestly, if recon could get blue flames, generated peril to some degree and/or had nexus, it wouldn't be that bad

[astral valve]

I like me a smoke grenade but I stay away from that branch of the talent tree

[austere pine]

i love watching mk2 evis zealots do things. i can't aim the attacks for shit and the attacks not being spammable fucks with my brain a little too much

[agile forge]

Lugger ogryn is legit as fuck fwiw

[astral valve]

I like being a tank ogryn

Which is apparently annoying

[agile forge]

My gun lugger is a tank lol

[austere pine]

to anyone without a flamer, a staff or a plasma gun, it is

[astral valve]

I think I don't play at a high enough level/difficulty where it's so bad

[agile forge]

I have the push taunt and FNP

But PBB ability

It's a tank with a vulcan cannon turret

[astral valve]

I've only started going down the meta rabbithole with vet so far, my ogryn specs are probably disasters

But I'm very handsome

[agile forge]

Basically don't take burst limiter override

It's dogshit

Take feel no pain unless you want heavy hitter

And probably don't take the box grenade

[austere pine]

are the burst limiter override percentages that bad?

[agile forge]

Apart from that, Ogryn is pretty universally solid provided you make sure it makes sense

[astral valve]

I'm pretty much straight down the middle on my tank, including the big box
I take a rock on my charger

[agile forge]

Try the grenade on tank imo

[astral valve]

I do really like those rocks though

[austere pine]

box is fine from an outside perspective

rock is funny because it speeds up muties when they die

and nuke is nuke

[agile forge]

Rock is mostly box but regenerates

[austere pine]

but box go boom

[agile forge]

So you can funnel more grenades to your team's best limited grenadier

[astral valve]

I treat box as an emergency backup when I'm not being good enough to stay afloat in a sea of baddies

[agile forge]

More incendiaries or ogrynheimers

[astral valve]

Charger can just charge out

Tank needs a little extra help :/

[austere pine]

i like how taunt lights up living enemies

makes my gunplay much easier cuz i'm blind as a molerat and most enemies just merge with the environment

[agile forge]

PBB with light em up works for that too :D

[austere pine]

pbb?

[astral valve]

I like my probably bricked stubber

[austere pine]

am i a fool?

[last parcel]

penis ball burst

[austere pine]

deathspitter? check. good stat spread? check. high stat number? check.

[agile forge]

Just ditch the weak spot damage tbh

[austere pine]

honestly? just switch weak spot damage into smth else (flak?) and it's a best in slot weapon

[agile forge]

I prefer Achlys for the light em up damage personally

[trim hemlock]

Nah, this is far from bricked

Do apply Flak in place of Weak spot and it's a good stubber

[astral valve]

Yay one of the weapons I liked turned out to actually be good lol

Also sorry for turning this into #ogryn-class-2

[austere pine]

happens all the time

i started playing vet religiously because i needed help with my zealot guns

[shadow aurora]

Noone cares about the chat topics LMAO dw

[agile forge]

Main thing to remember is don't bother to brace it

It takes so long to do but gains little benefit

[astral valve]

I brace the shit out of it!

[austere pine]

wait, is bracing universally bad?

[agile forge]

Achlys on the other hand should be braced

[astral valve]

It is annoyingly slow but you can do single shot snipes pretty well with it

[agile forge]

Nah, Achlys wants to be braced

[austere pine]

i was moreso saying this for all braceable weapons

[agile forge]

It's just the Gorg has excellent hipfire and very slow bracing

Achlys has dogshit hipfire, but great Braced and even better Braced crouching

But achlys is way faster to ready anyway

[astral valve]

If someone isn't too far hip fire is great and cuts them in half for extra satisfaction

[shadow aurora]

I always brace with my gorg. I personally think its up to playstyle

[astral valve]

It will really pop heads at a nice distance if you can afford to brace it though

[austere pine]

brautos seem very accurate without bracing, plasma takes ages for little benefit, agri revolver sure but why fire it at a higher range and now seemingly stubbers

[astral valve]

My Graia accuracy is kinda crap at any distance without bracing

But I'm told it likes to be braced

[austere pine]

which is graia?

[fringe wyvern]

oh my favorite....

[austere pine]

that would not have helped

but yeah it is the one i thought it was

graia is the one autogun where bracing is a good idea 100% of the time

that might actually be the best weapon i've seen, though

[austere pine]

how many hours do you have in darktide

[agile forge]

You can lose like half of your PBB time pulling it out and bracing lol, but the zoom is sometimes helpful for distant shots

[astral valve]

I'm not too sweaty

[austere pine]

man can you please bless me for either pc4 or surge?

[astral valve]

Up until I joined this server I was picking talents and equipment purely on feels

[austere pine]

i'm struggling, man

20k plasteel down the drain for pc4, 15k for surge

[astral valve]

I still don't even know what's good yet, I'm bumbling along in the vet guide

I just got really lucky with some guns

I also can't stand grinding though so I just play to have fun and try to upgrade in a good direction for whatever class I happen to be into

[austere pine]

don't get me wrong, that plasteel had been earned while having fun

if i'm feeling just a slight bit bored with the game, i stop playing it

[astral valve]

I don't usually get bored but I'll switch to something else if I have a really bad round and get cranky

[austere pine]

so it's not like i'm a hardcore grinder of games. i always gravitate towards them but damn can i not stand having to sit playing a game as a chore

[astral valve]

Right!

I feel the people trying to grind RNG to get the perfect weapons but man, talk about sucking all of the fun out of it for me

[austere pine]

i mostly play grind games for vanity, really. all of the ones i play have rare collectibles/pretty armors and whatnot so i just do that

[astral valve]

I have a particular weakness for this game's cosmetics store but 85% of the fun is finding a strike team you vibe with and being super effective
The other 15% is looking super rad

[lyric dock]

I tend to use a pretty basic look, but it gets the job done

[austere pine]

most of the cosmetics i've been able to get so far (ones that i could get but didn't) haven't really caught my eye. zealots are always very gaudy, psykers are always wonky, ogryns i don't play and vets never struck a chord with me

always looks like a proper soldier from some regiment that's decided to come check out atoma

[astral valve]

Hah we look pretty similar #darktide-driptide message

[lyric dock]

Well

[austere pine]

and it's not an issue to look that way but both of my vets are of the loose cannon personality which isn't very soldier-y

[lyric dock]

Fuck

[austere pine]

or, well, not a very "i will wear my uniform even if literally nobody cares if i do"

[austere pine]

brick. sell it

[astral valve]

I try to theme it with their talent spec if I can

[lyric dock]

I already sold it

If only Damage and Mobility swapped places

[austere pine]

exe stance always got a full uniform from me, voc got lighter stuff with maybe the munitorum cap, infiltrate got the tank top

[astral valve]

So like my executioner's stance builds are dressed to look a little...faster? More mobile? And voice of command is more armor-y

[austere pine]

should be the exact opposite

imo

executioner's stance are dudes in a firing line. they don't need to move

and they're most likely the ones getting shot while running out of trenches

[astral valve]

In my mind it's more like "run and gun" theme vs "toughness booster armored grunt" theme

[austere pine]

voc are the commanders who are yelling at the grunts to run out of the trenches while not having to run out themselves

[final stag]

VoC are the squad leaders telling the Exe stance (grunts) who to shoot at and keep morale

Commandos are just the guys who flank the mfs the exe stance is shooting at

[astral valve]

When you're a varlet everywhere is a trench

And I'm in the shit with you :P

[last parcel]

me when i crawl in your trench

[final stag]

Trench

[astral valve]

Now this conversation is going places

[austere pine]

what lore you got for your characters?

[astral valve]

I don't go that deep really, I just try to take a theme from the talent tree branch and what kind of gameplay I'll get out of it

[astral valve]

Vet and ogryn look kind of related, as do psyker and zealot

Within the limits of the character creator obviously

[austere pine]

well, i like making stories of characters. my fem LC vet is cadian who took on a very existentialist point of view on life after cadia happened. doesn't care anymore, just out here to have fun. masc LC vet is from some mining world where he used to be a hive ganger of some sort and got recruited into the guard and later got put into shackles and takes into grendyl's personal army due to being a tad-too slow on a salute to some higher-up

[fringe wyvern]

My vet wants to be a Commissar because she thinks she'd be better than any of the other ones

[austere pine]

cutthroat personality type?

[shadow aurora]

Yeah i play gorg like a sniper

[last parcel]

i'd lick her boot

[astral valve]

I wish I could go back and see what all I picked for my character backgrounds, and maybe have the option to change stuff around

[fringe wyvern]

Loose Cannon voice but she's already just a character I have

[austere pine]

she'd shoot you for trying

[last parcel]

worth

[fringe wyvern]

She'd try to order your execution then get yelled at for being deranged again

[austere pine]

i also regret picking one personality type. i'd love to change my fem savant into a seer

[shadow aurora]

Savant is the angry German one right?

[austere pine]

"I'll save ya. I'm good like that."

savant is the french/african one

[shadow aurora]

I like savant

[fringe wyvern]

My vet is terminally violence pilled and deranged, and she thinks the Emperor will thank her personally for it 😔 Cadia does things

[austere pine]

i like them but seer has more to offer

[shadow aurora]

Just use your 5th slot for a new one

And spread loadouts between them

[austere pine]

the thin line between delusions and lucidity, genuine compassion and insanity, and the simple fact they have a direct link to the emperor

i don't see that talked enough actually. the seer speaks to big e

[shadow aurora]

The link could very well be a daemon

Probably tzeentch

[austere pine]

i have 2 lc, 1 agitator and 1 savant and 1 loner

i might get rid of loner and lc eventually

[fringe wyvern]

My psyker is a pathetic mutant who just gets sent to find Warp related disturbances in habs and other areas while also training to be a navigator. They're overseen by a magos errant who insists on studying him for the rest of his life to observe the properties of his mutation and how his powers work

[austere pine]

don't think so, actually. do tzeentchian demons encourage compassion?

[tame lodge]

I will refrain from talking about savant since it's gaming time

[fringe wyvern]

Seer voice

[astral valve]

I can't find the voice lines but I'm pretty sure my vet is Cadian

[austere pine]

does your vet remember call signs of enemies?

[shadow aurora]

Tzeentch daemons are unpredictable if anything

[fringe wyvern]

Seeing that the Emperor has a link to the Warp....

[astral valve]

Yeah she's really on point

With a cool accent too

[austere pine]

professional

well, are they boring or are they permanently paranoid?

[fringe wyvern]

Cadian voice is Loose Cannon and they don't remember shit 💀 good on them

[austere pine]

huh?

[last parcel]

Cadian is Cutthroat

[fringe wyvern]

hmmm

[astral valve]

Oh it IS professional!

[shadow aurora]

Aggressive cadian is cuthroat
Laid back jackass is loose canon
Person whos fed up with the other two is professional

[fringe wyvern]

Is it? I do be forgetting since there's I think 2 that don't remember the signs

[last parcel]

Both Cutthroat and Professional know the callouts

[fringe wyvern]

Ah there it is

[last parcel]

Cutthroat just uses them less often

[austere pine]

cutthroat does remember codes but they describe the enemy first

[agile forge]

Loose cannon knows them

[shadow aurora]

No they dont

[agile forge]

There's Sigma something something... with the net

[last parcel]

SIGMA SOMETHING SOMETHING

[astral valve]

I love the female professional voice

[austere pine]

because an ogryn has no idea what a "traxis-66" is but they sure do know what "the net guy" means

[agile forge]

There's traxis... 12? Yeah, traxis 12

[shadow aurora]

Female loose canon is the goat

[neon estuary]

been doing alot of damage with the Columnus Mk V Infantry as a veteran. Thanks to the perks, blessings, and build up i'm using. the perks i'm using is 10% range DMG and 25% DMG to unyielding enemies(Flaks and Manics dont matter as long as you're targetting the weak spots as a veteran), plus with the executioner stance with range infantry so you can start shooting like a marksmen commando, also deadly with the deadshot perk as long as you have a fast recovering stiminia. And as for the blessing, just rely on DumDum and speedload

[fringe wyvern]

I didn't think the loose cannon knew them and just guessed and say "just kill it" which, very well fit the vet I wanted

[tame lodge]

Explosive plague vessel

[agile forge]

She just sounds fun

[fringe wyvern]

"PUT YER KARKIN' BOOT IN! HAHA!"

[agile forge]

My vet is FLC

"But I don't wanna cross the bridge of many martyrs :( "

[austere pine]

i would not want to be friends with somebody who, in the face of death, refuses to be speedy about calling out targets

[fringe wyvern]

Maybe I should draw my vet she's such an unbearable human person

maybe she's part bear

[austere pine]

"Something... something... SNIPER!" WELLLL AFTER the sniper's already fired off 3 shots

[fringe wyvern]

What if it's intentional 😈

[austere pine]

"Med station! There's a code for that, too..."

[umbral scaffold]

Real. True. Demonstrable. Objective. Factual.

[fringe wyvern]

really good voice

[astral valve]

But my professional..

[austere pine]

male professional is a cutie-pie

[dire olive]

This is true

[austere pine]

LC after somebody calls out they killed some special/elite: Keep those updates coming, maybe some day they'll be useful.
Professional: Oi, there's no need for that! (in a very "awww. that hurts my feelings" tone)
LC: That's right, take their side

[astral valve]

It fits my personality perfectly lol

[fringe wyvern]

true... but TBH most of the men I want to grab and squeeze like a rat

Male Seer, Judge, and just about any vet

[austere pine]

male seer is awesome. it's the type of guy the tiktok people would make the "plug a lil weird but he chill" joke about

and judge? nah, i like my men (if i even like the man) a lot less gruff

[astral valve]

Female judge isn't quite what I was expecting but it'll do

[fringe wyvern]

I like gruff men. The more tattered and jaded sounding the better

[hollow ibex]

I don’t vibe with any of the zealot voices

[austere pine]

female judge is awesome

female agitator is hillarious when paired with a psyker or an ogryn (my internal agitator was kicking in and i almost called ogryn "slab")

[fringe wyvern]

I love all of the female zealot voices but my friends made fun of me as soon as they heard my brain switch off upon seeing an old man zealot with the agitator voice

[austere pine]

"old man" "agitator" does not compute

dude sounds like he's in his late 20s/early 30s and just has a deep voice and a bit of a forced gruff

seems very unnatural to me, very forced

[fringe wyvern]

The guy looked old

[austere pine]

wait agitator? agitator is just joe from accounting

[dire olive]

There are others [redacted] who requireth ammunition

[fringe wyvern]

Believe so but also my memory is shit. The one that sounds Scottish

[austere pine]

fanatic

that is an old man, yes

[fringe wyvern]

there probably

that one makes me go insane

[austere pine]

love it when female agitator makes small talk. some of the highlights

[tame lodge]

I LOVE AGITATOR

I know, it's getting repetitive and all

[final stag]

I'm a big fan of male Fanatic

He sells his chastise the wicked voicelines

[final stag]

Yeah I feel the cutthroat explains the enemy because most of the squad are in fact not guardsmen. But when he kills enemies he will call them by their callsign. He does call Daemon host the callsign however.

[umbral scaffold]

Female agitator is one of the best

She's a twat, but written to be rewarded for it

[final stag]

Cutthroat threatens fem agitator from my knowledge

[umbral scaffold]

She's a "joke" character, but not like a complete joke where the entire point of her conception is being a punchline

I like it

She's competent and gets brought down if she overextends

[final stag]

I love her asshole persona

[final stag]

What says I don't like both?

Fnnendn

[somber axle]

why do people think reviving in fire is a good idea

I watch a lot of people kill each other in quickplays and idk if it's intentional but it's funny LMFAO

someone goes down in fire and someone sprints at high speed to get them up in the fire

[lyric dock]

They assume by the time you finish reviving someone. The fire is gone

[late hatch]

you made the mistake of using the word think

[fringe wyvern]

Sometimes I delay the death timer so I can revive the cooked one after the fire is gone

[somber axle]

people in quickplay are on autopilot I guess

[fringe wyvern]

more like in hamster mode

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/hamster-meme-staring-hd-watching-gif-23055924

[somber axle]

head empty no thoughts

almost as funny as people trying to stealth revive someone when they're surrounded by ragers, maulers and/or crushers

gently feed the body back into the meat grinder

[hybrid token]

https://tenor.com/view/bandit-bandit-heeler-bluey-cartoon-bandit-bluey-gif-2195881545205092381

me coming out of stealth with a fully charged heavy power sword attack

THEN reviving

[tame lodge]

Born in flames
I have been blessed
My family crest
Is a demon of DEATH

[tiny summit]

"Cleanse ye' self in fire kindred! The hotter the better!"

[lilac kayak]

Very painful to see how slow it can take for the usual pubs to unnet others.

[somber axle]

That too yeah

Team mate goes down to a trapper net right next to another and you have to walk over to free them because the one next to them is clueless

[somber axle]

feels like a test of a quickplay pug's reflexes and if they're not fast enough they just die again LMFAO

team mate rezzes them into fire, they don't know to dodge out of the fire, they die to the fire

watching a circus show

😂

[lilac kayak]

Eh more funny when someone stealth rev a pub surrounded by ragers n crushers

[somber axle]

ok but I have one better: rez into a sniper that instagibs them and they just fall over because they were on their last wounds

the timing is chef's kiss and the funniest thing

quickplay pugs make for the most magical funny moments

[lilac kayak]

Correction: Heresy pubs

Damnation pubs isn't too bad tbh

[lyric dock]

As I do Damnation pubs a lot. 90% of the time you get a solid enough group that it'll complete the mission without the director going full Murder mode on ya

[somber axle]

Heresy pubs are an absolute clown fiesta but lately Damnation pubs have been very hit or miss on whether or not the pubs have any situational awareness

I think we might have a lot of newer players

[lilac kayak]

Ocassionally you'll get an Xbox player once in a while that dies in 5 min of game starting then rage quits

[lyric dock]

I hot dropped into a few Damnation groups and my first thought is "How the fuck did they survive this long"

[somber axle]

the worst feeling is trying so hard to protect someone and they die over and over and then apologize for being bad and leave

it's ok dude it's just a game and you'll get better with practice

[lyric dock]

Everyone has a bad day every now and again

[somber axle]

sometimes Nurgle decides he wants to make someone have an extra silly day

we cannot control the whims of the AI director

[lyric dock]

I had one Psyker game where I died 3 different times. While it did suck to be the punching bag for that game. Hey shit happens and you roll with the punches

[somber axle]

gotta learn to laugh at funny deaths

was fighting a horde to close too an edge and felt safe until a zealot charged in and slammed his hammer in a wide swing right into the explosive barrel I was too close to

went sailing over the edge

not even mad, just laughed and waited for them to get to the next checkpoint to pick me back up

[lyric dock]

I use the times I die to watch other players

[somber axle]

the best was a recent match where everyone went down and it was just a stealth knife zealot trying to clutch it out solo vs a horde, maulers and 2 crushers

he was panicking a lot

[lyric dock]

Might as use the time I'm dead to see how other players and maybe pick up on stuff their doing

[somber axle]

he went to run past an explosive barrel and tapped it with his knife

accidentally swung twice

killed himself

[lyric dock]

[lilac kayak]

It's more funny / frustrating when u die to something that's outta ur control like a barrel death cliffer.

[somber axle]

hardest I have laughed in Darktide in a while

LMFAO

[lyric dock]

I had my clutches as Ogryn where it's the "I turn my back on you guys for 1 minute" and I hear 3 death noises

[somber axle]

Nurgle gives his funniest battles to his best clowns

[lyric dock]

Only to realize "Oh a Crusher + Rager ball spawn on those poor basterds"

[somber axle]

rip

[lilac kayak]

Tho the worst BS I've had is when u get grabbed by a mutie into holy fire

[lyric dock]

Survive because my Ogryn can eat a crusher overhead like it was nothing

[somber axle]

the goofiest play of the game goes to a Psyker in one of my recent matches

the two vets went down and were dead, I was fighting a plogryn solo and kiting him around and got him to a sliver of health left, mutie charges through the plogryn and grabs me to throw me across the gap to hang from a railing near the Psyker who cleans up his poxwalkers and runs to get me
only it took him so long to kill the poxwalkers that the plogryn was on him
instead of finishing the plogryn he gets grabbed by the mutie, runs back over to try to get me up, the plogryn AoE stomps and I die

Darktide has many good laughs

the deaths you have no control over are the best

[lilac kayak]

Here's a tip: lots and lots of pubs don't realize that they have a out of jail free card whenever u get disabled/cliffed. Basically u can disconnect yourself for a free rev.

[somber axle]

I know and some people have saved matches that way but as weird as it sounds it's funnier to me to watch and see how it plays out

if I disconnected instead of watching I wouldn't have a funny story

I collect funny stories like treasure

I've got all the gear I want on the classes I play for the builds I enjoy most so anything else is just icing on the cake for trying out new things

idc about winning matches all the time, just having fun and the more chaotic and silly it gets, the better imo

a funny loss is better than a boring standard win

[lilac kayak]

True tho I tend to want to win just so I didn't feel like my time was wasted tbh

[somber axle]

that's very fair

wanting the plasteel, dockets, etc. to make it feel worth isn't bad

I just find more fun beyond wins

funny wins where the AI director was insane and spawned constant crazy waves of specials and elites nonstop are the BEST

[lilac kayak]

That's why I pretty much only play on auric missions for the most part.

[somber axle]

the perfect team comes around every once in awhile in quickplay and they're a delight every time

[frank ether]

pro tip, you can cheat to win video games

[lilac kayak]

I find the most joy in having to carry/clutch during a match though that doesn't happen too much. Even on auric tbh since most of the pubs there are pretty decent ngl.

[somber axle]

you should try more regular damnation quickplays

the people there might surprise you

I've had fun moments where the squad is cheering me on from beyond the grave as I 1v1 a plogryn

[frank ether]

whichever queue doesn't have the plasma/psword vets or smite spam psyker I'll play there

I like players who run fun stuff

I'm literally cheering when a gunker or a bolter zealot shows up

[lilac kayak]

Yeah that's why clutching is so much fun when the teams compliments u.

[somber axle]

gunker psyker is really fun

[frank ether]

Its a fantastic subclass

got some ammo issues but nobody loots in pubs so just steal all the ammo lmao

[lilac kayak]

Unless your a knife zealot 😋

[somber axle]

Half the time I will ping a big ammo pack and put a marker on it for good measure just in case the ping wears off to make sure they know it is there

[frank ether]

If I'm knife zealot I don't need to use my gun anyway

[somber axle]

Red ammo Vet ignores it anyway

[frank ether]

yeah pugs are weird most of them just ignore all loot

I used to feel guilty about hoarding stims

[lilac kayak]

Would u stay if u were in a match with a speed runner?

[frank ether]

half the time I play knife

I loot the map and kill enemies

and someone still goes on about

how I'm speedrunning

[somber axle]

use stims as often as you want because most pugs are only picking up med stim and then forget to use it the whole match

[lilac kayak]

Speedrunning is when u ignore loot n enemies to progress the mission faster lol

[somber axle]

well you're a knife zealot so you're faster than them which means you're speedy and you're also running so that must mean you're speedrunning because they can't see you

[frank ether]

I actually prefer knife vet

even though knife zealot is superior vet is just all around really safe class to play

[lilac kayak]

I find that I do way more dps with knife vet than knife zealot

[frank ether]

that sounds like your zealot build might be off

it has some powerful finesse talents

vet gets free ammo and grenade spam though

so its just baby mode class on that aspect

if I ever feel threatened I can just spam shredders or magdump an autogun/boltgun to create room

[lilac kayak]

Well that's cause I use plasma n knife build tbh

xD

[frank ether]

plasma

ew

Idk what they were thinking when they gave it infinite cleave

[lilac kayak]

Ye inf cleave is insane

Kinda sad to see bolter outclassed by revolver by a long shot imo

[frank ether]

revolver is also a broken gun

there is a lot to be said but I trust fatshark will balance stuff out when they cook up the next patch

I'm a big fan of the boltgun, its problems for veteran are partially ''exe stance bad'' and plasma/revolver are too overpowered, so its a perception issue rather than anything actually wrong with boltgun itself

[lilac kayak]

Honestly I'd rather get new content as a priority than try and balance the game as of now.

[somber axle]

Would that be the same dev though? Like a dev who works on map design, a dev who does artwork for potential new characters/weapons, a dev who tweaks balance and a dev who hunts and squashes bugs don't feel like they'd all be the same person

but then idk enough about game design studios to really say that for sure

art dev and map design dev probably are not missing out on their own time working on new content while balance dev is crunching numbers and poking QA testers to check things

unless someone is doing multiple roles and they shift everyone over to certain things at a time

[final stag]

My vet can eat 1 crusher overhead without taking health damage. So he's basically an ogryn lolol

[lilac kayak]

Yeah it shouldn't be a dev having to take on multiple roles at a time but it sure does feel like it at the rate at which FS is releasing content

[somber axle]

they are slower on content release than some other game studios yeah

just means more time to enjoy other games

I wish they'd release content faster too tbh

A longlas, meltagun or funny gun emplacements Left 4 Dead style would be fun additions to make the game feel a lot more fresh

no idea what they've got in the pipeline beyond their changes to crafting

[lilac kayak]

It's kinda ironic that helldivers 2 is built on the same engine as DT and is releasing more content n patches.

[final stag]

Same engine ≠ same dev team.

[somber axle]

funny enough they're both based out of the same place too

Sweden

Arrowhead and Fatshark base their HQ out of Stockholm there

very dependent on the corporate side of things for how fast the gears turn tho

Arrowhead CEO seems like they're pretty good at both ensuring the content release cycle is steady, bug fixes are addressed in a timely manner and they keep open communication with their community

good leadership can make a world of a difference

Despite playing Darktide on and off since launch I have no idea what Fatshark has done as far as communication other than the really fun graphic counting number of kills, deaths, etc. they showed shortly after official launch

They are very quiet

[frank ether]

the guy whose job is to change X number to Y for Z weapon isn't there to do 3d artist work or go make a map so very much different people handling different jobs, but obv assume everyone to be very busy

[somber axle]

Fatshark has other stuff to work on yeah? Like Blizzard has a large number of games they're working on and updating simultaneously, Riot isn't just watching League of Legends anymore with all the new games they've put out, etc.

Maybe Fatshark has their priorities on other games

[frank ether]

they work on both vermintide and darktide

[somber axle]

The new pvp mode in Vermintide feels like it'd take a lot more attention

[frank ether]

Its a colossal waste of everyone's time but fatshark promised it and people won't shut up about it, so its happening

[somber axle]

If they released a Darkide PvP mode I'd be the first person playing a Bomber trying to ruin everyone's day

Ratling Gunner looks funny

[tame lodge]

[tame lodge]

Your bullets do 1 damage and you have 120 of them, at least they seem accurate

[lilac kayak]

Why couldn't they just make a darktide pvp instead? 😕

No Brainer move tbh

[frank ether]

no brainer move PvP in a co-op game designed for PvE

[lilac kayak]

I mean left4dead had it 🤷

[somber axle]

some people like pvp, some people do not

as long as they keep the modes separate then both crowds can be happy

[tame lodge]

Well yeah. I need to know if darktide was a thing when they announced VT2 versus

[somber axle]

I don't see why a PvE only player would get mad if PvPers are enjoying their mode

maybe upset if queues end up having bots more often and for longer before players join because others are playing PvP more

[frank ether]

Your game is dying because darktide developers are working on vermintide versus

You're scared of the idea of them balancing out two guns but somehow think another half a year of content draught to develop and balance darktide pvp could be worth it

[somber axle]

huh

tbh idc about steam numbers and the game isn't dying unless Fatshark decides to City of Heroes themselves

[astral valve]

I feel like the only gripe I would have is that I would wish that effort was spent on more PVE content but beyond that whatever

[somber axle]

if I queue daily into empty lobbies I'll say you're onto something but as it is no

gameplay loop is fun so I play and that's as far as my brain goes on whether or not the game is dying

[astral valve]

I always want more players for the game but I want more PVE players to play with since I don't have any interest in PVP

[frank ether]

game is already down to the player numbers where I have matches with bots

I have no ''fears'' of PvP queue stealing players from my lobbies

because I damn very well know there is very little interest for it

[somber axle]

idk what to tell you other than maybe your region might be awkward for population

I queue US west and always have full squads

[frank ether]

I'm in EU

[somber axle]

even if I queue solo the team fills within 2 min

I've played with an Aussie friend and swapped to the region that would give them better ping and realised that it was crickets waiting for other players to join

no idea what's up with EU tho

[rigid pilot]

Im pretty sure they are working on an undisclosed new game

[frank ether]

like, darktide 2? or you mean some other genre?

[astral valve]

But I want more darktide!

[rigid pilot]

Who knows they ain't telling us anytime soon

[frank ether]

darktide card game confirmed

[somber axle]

Darktide racing game mario kart style

lemme see an Ogryn in the tiniest shopping cart with pedals

[astral valve]

Darktide Kart

[frank ether]

to be perfectly honest with you I was very much expecting a DT2 announcement after months of silence

[somber axle]

would that be Darkart or Kartide

[rigid pilot]

Baldur's darktide where you can finally see the 500 hour sex scene with ranick

[astral valve]

I couldn't decide so I used both words separately

[last parcel]

SEFONI SEX SCENE WHEN

[somber axle]

dating sim with Hadron

[astral valve]

This sounds like some kind of dark Oglaf comic

[somber axle]

max out rep with Hadron and she'll say she only recommends your execution for tardiness sometimes

[rigid pilot]

Report to her chambers immediately

[somber axle]

you get to her bedroom and discover she's left you a pile of plasteel leading up to the bed where she's left you the 380 gun you wanted upgraded and it's been bricked

[tame lodge]

All in your head

[astral valve]

You know what they say

When life gives you bricks

[tame lodge]

Why wait for life to give you bricks when you can pull them from your eye

[astral valve]

So less and more

[somber axle]

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/robotnik-brick-sonic-the-hedgehog-cartoon-gif-26981977

[astral valve]

I don't like this

[fringe wyvern]

hmmm

[tame lodge]

Told you

[fringe wyvern]

If you think about it hard enough she detects it and you're at her mercy (she gives you violent nightmares for 2 weeks)

[fringe wyvern]

what about Morrow's thick neck?

[tame lodge]

So, she's a dom huh

Actually, I don't want to elaborate on this

[fringe wyvern]

Personally I'd enjoy the attempt on my sanity and life.

[stable socket]

what do i do with this? melk was generous today but i'm not sure if 60% finesse is ideal, should i sacrifice pc4 and look to craft a different sword or use this one

[austere mica]

I think that has identical stat rolls to my ps6 and yes it will work just fine like that

[stable socket]

cool, thanks

[hollow ibex]

very good as a stopgap, but you'll want to replace down the line due to low finesse

you can just replace crit hit chance for now with cara or maniac

[stable socket]

ok that will be a problem for future me who has more plasteel

[hollow ibex]

blessings are perfect

you can take PC4 or sunder off when you get a better one

[frank ether]

doesn't matter its a power sword

is anything less than perfect ever ideal? No but again its a power sword

you have the best blessings possible (could want BM4 over Sunder at most) and neither unyielding nor crit is bad

[umbral scaffold]

I will shidd and fardd myself if that can't two-hit a crusher with the push attack

Wait, it's the mk3

Mk6 chads keep winning

[rigid pilot]

Mk6 "nerf" by the recent combo change

Idk what they were thinking when they went through with that

[last parcel]

divine punishment for being a recon user

[rigid pilot]

Recon wants you to use it all the time

[frank ether]

deserved for using r*con

[split sapphire]

Shameful indeed, i prefer the Columbus Mk. 5 autogun, thing shreds stuff

[last parcel]

and i'll fuckin do it again

[rigid pilot]

Enemies tagged

[final stag]

I am a chronic tagger

I don't care if I'm killing it. It's getting tagged

[frank ether]

8 crates, sheesh

[odd sparrow]

Same

[last parcel]

i'm not even using focus target except in the last two

[astral valve]

"I'll just try one round of damnation to see how it goes"

What a complete shitfest

3 teammates soloing the mission and I just die over and over from some complete trash enemy slapping me in the face

2 knife veterans

[frank ether]

3 teammates soloing the mission is a weird sentence

[last parcel]

[astral valve]

3 people in 3 different places at all times, every time I try to move towards someone to group up I get into a fight and then they're in totally different places

They're obviously good at the game

[rigid pilot]

They're gaming

[astral valve]

I hope that's not the norm for damnation

[last parcel]

it's not

[vocal lodge]

What's a good Mk of the hell bore to try out for someone who ain't messed with it before?

I wanna try it out but can't decide rly

[rigid pilot]

Mk 1

The goldilocks one

[vocal lodge]

Got ya ty

[lilac kayak]

You won't be having any issue over that by doing auric shock troop missions

[serene bough]

sometimes you get games where you're required to hard carry

but usually I find there's 1-2 competent people in a run

[final stag]

Truth

[serene bough]

also update when

i want servitors

[final stag]

Skitari would go hard

[serene bough]

The longer the wait is the more I'm anticipating something big

[final stag]

Hope is the road to disappointment
I love this game but keep your expections low. The update will probably be good. And breathe life for a little while

[serene bough]

blind fanatacism is all i need, ignorance is strenght

On a more serious note, they took a while with the class update and that ended up being pretty good

[late hatch]

Knowledge is the path to temptation

[serene bough]

I can be patient for a few more months

[late hatch]

im keen for the crafting rework. very hopeful it means the end of bricks, even if it costs a bunch of plas and dia

[frank ether]

hell yea replace psyker with servitor

will be the best update 4eva I promise

[frank ether]

I sure hope no more 🧱

[rare bough]

Servitor Archetype would be the littyest

[dreamy spade]

Does continuous fire take into account charge rate, like if it takes 1 second rather than 0.5 second to shoot plasma does blaze sway just not work?

[odd sparrow]

It likely doesnt take it into account. But its likely lenient enough that you can still stack

[lucid herald]

is Only In Death Does Duty End a noob trap?

[grand perch]

There's a great guide in the pinned comments that evaluates each skill

[dreamy spade]

It's trash basically

[grand perch]

Not trash, potentially clutch but the drawback is too significant for most situations

Recommended use if you have another vet with shout on the team

Or possibly zealot with the toughness buff skill, forget the name

[dreamy spade]

There are better ways to rev a downed without sacrifices ability cooldown

[dreamy spade]

Not lenient on plasma lol, it only really works by spamming on single targets but then brittleness is better for that

[grand perch]

And none of them are instant and can apply to multiple downed mates

[dreamy spade]

It's even rarer to have 2 people downed within the aura

Infiltrate is far superior imo

[grand perch]

Which is a whole other skill that does not provide buffs to teammates throughout the whole match, but rather tends to increase pressure on your mates when you drop aggro on a bunch of guys.
To be clear, I have nothing against infiltrate, but it's a kind of apple to peaches comparison

[lucid herald]

Infiltrate is nice when you need to revive but oh boy it's such a passive way to play that I don't really like using it

[dreamy spade]

Lmao

Surrounded by 100 crushers and ragers

where did he go

Low profile basically extends it by 10 seconds too

[agile forge]

You can use it to play active too

[dire olive]

where did he go? Oh well let's go pummel that poor psyker over there

[agile forge]

If you're not getting shot at you can make plays that would otherwise be super risky

like just walk straight into their backline and stab the shit out of everything, or surgically remove all of the crushers' heads

[dreamy spade]

Well It's not selfish as long as you rev them after

[dire olive]

Lol

[agile forge]

It's just that there's a sizable chunk of people who take stealth abilities because they want to run past all of the enemies and win the race to the elevator

bad stealth players give stealth a bad name

[fast sundial]

i just took a stealth ability because it just about guarantees resses

[dire olive]

The stealth knife zealots that just want to speedrun the map in a public lobby without asking should be consumed by a beast of Nurgle

[dire olive]

This man &/or woman gets it

[dreamy spade]

I remember one game my whole team died and I was being chased by 2 monstrosities and hordes and elites, I spent like 30 minutes avoiding them while my infiltrate recharged so I could rev my teammates

[agile forge]

I try to votekick when I see it happening

It's been successful once

[dire olive]

Like dude I want plasteel piss off

[dreamy spade]

(They died as soon as I revved them)

[agile forge]

we need to make a culture of votekicking people who refuse to engage with the team at all

and by that I'm really just referring to the people we're talking about here lol

[dire olive]

And then they trigger 3 monster spawns

12 crusher patrols

7 gunner patrols

200 ragers

[dreamy spade]

psyker can handle that

[dire olive]

Which they drop the aggro of and send to everyone else

[agile forge]

once they finish the mission, they should get a cutscene where Morrow just shoots them in the head and their character's gone.

[dreamy spade]

My plasma build is super teammate friendly

[dire olive]

[dreamy spade]

I'm constantly giving them toughness

Born leader + covering fire + charismatic

[agile forge]

tbh if you just take the ammo aura, veteran's automatically more team supporty than any other class can dream to be lol

[dreamy spade]

I would say psyker is inherently the support

But most of the time they dont play well so

[frank monolith]

i tried playing pysker and i got bored

only thing fun is gun pysker

xD

[dreamy spade]

Have you tried unlimited power?

[dire olive]

I have started adopting the staff left click machine gunner role, it's kinda fun

It actually does silly amounts of suppression

Damage isn't bad and it stagger locks anything that needs a few shots

[dreamy spade]

I think psykers talent tree is the worst

But they are unmatched in crowd control which is why they are good on auric

[agile forge]

I love the psyker talent tree lmao

I think I play with more variety on psyker than on any other class

[dreamy spade]

The small nodes are kinda mid

And

[agile forge]

It's the only class where I have builds utilizing all 3 blitzes, all 3 abilities and all 3 keystones

(but fuck left aura)

[dreamy spade]

You cant match certain auras with abilities

[rigid pilot]

I forgot what right aura does

Crit chance?

[dreamy spade]

Yeah

[dire olive]

You could do worse than 10% elite damage

[dreamy spade]

If you pick one thing on psyker you miss out on something very good on the other side

[dire olive]

Could be Fire Team

[rigid pilot]

Isn't it 5%

Fire team is 8%

[dire olive]

Since when?

[rigid pilot]

Fire team is straight up better lol

[agile forge]

That's fine though imo

[rigid pilot]

Since they nerfed it

[dreamy spade]

Which basically means you are forced to go down the middle

[agile forge]

That's just what sacrifices are

You're probably talking about psychinetic aura

[rigid pilot]

False

[trim hemlock]

It’s been nerfed at some point, might have peen p14 or p15

[dire olive]

Ew

[dreamy spade]

Yeah but you dont have to make them on the other classes

[trim hemlock]

Now that doesn’t seem true. Is it saying that in-game?

[agile forge]

yes you do lmfao

[rigid pilot]

Didn't they buff fire team at some point 🤔

7% or smth

[dreamy spade]

Nu uh

[agile forge]

if you take rocks on ogryn you're forced to take Slam instead of Soften Them Up

[dreamy spade]

Idk about ogryn

I dont play it

[agile forge]

Psychinetic's aura is really good, yeah, but Assail is probably the best blitz in isolation

them not being available together is a balancing factor

[dreamy spade]

But zealot and vet you can pretty much choose anything

[trim hemlock]

IIRC it’s just 5% damage. I can’t confirm that though, I almost never take it

[agile forge]

apart from budgetary constraints which are really quite severe for both

[dreamy spade]

Yeah true

Vet isnt bad

[rigid pilot]

Must be dreaming of darktide patch notes

[dreamy spade]

They have good nodes

Zealot however

[rigid pilot]

Zealot cringe tree is partly why I never play it anymore past 150

[agile forge]

Veteran has must-take talents deep in the final parts of the trees, and has one aura that's so strong it's considered by many to be an actual essential

But it's fine too

[dreamy spade]

Zealot keystones are wayyy better than vets

[trim hemlock]

I tend to look at Scav aura like this: I don’t like what it is, I don’t like how it is impacting the game, but 1) taking it typically saves points, and 2) it’s making everyone’s lives that much easier during any mission

[agile forge]

It's mostly something I'm feeling in my smokes/shovel/helbore build

[trim hemlock]

Unless you’re playing something like, IDK, Helbro lasguns with Shock Trooper and have 3 Psykers with staves in the lobby

[agile forge]

but tbh I just took the movement speed aura for it anyway

I have shock trooper, and the team can pretend I'm not a veteran and deal with not having the aura lmao

my gunner build doesn't take grenade regen too

[opal dove]

Welcome to the recolor party again, my fellow Veterans

[trim hemlock]

You typically want to take Agile Engagement on Helbro, so speed aura is not a bad choice per se

[grand perch]

This saddened me

[trim hemlock]

I don’t like any of the new items, bar maybe the jaw augmentic

[rigid pilot]

Agile engagement on helbore?

Wait does it buff the stab?

[agile forge]

It triggers on bayonet kills

[rigid pilot]

Holy fuk what

[opal dove]

Yep, that's new

[trim hemlock]

Yeah, you can kill something with Bayo and get 25% more damage for the next couple of your shots

[rigid pilot]

How do you build agile helbore though

Take stealth ability

[trim hemlock]

Proper way, or speed aura way?

[rigid pilot]

The proper way will involve alot of criss crossing blegh

What's the unhinged way

[trim hemlock]

I mean, both ways I approach are somewhat unhinged

give me a sec

Shock Trooper is debatable, it just makes it so you are typically ammo neutral/don't eat nearly as much of it

Longshot is flexible, but I like having it especially on Mk1 Helbro

[rigid pilot]

Do you go usual surgical onslaught

[trim hemlock]

2 points spare, do whatever you want with them

Toughness nodes are good, Bring it Down is good, etc etc

oh, hold on

[rigid pilot]

Y'all love out for blood huh

Or is that just to get 1 stam

[trim hemlock]

I forgot about Agile Eng.

This is the correct version

Grawr I think prefers ET over Iron Will, but VoC is insane with Iron Will, so it's what I typically take

[rigid pilot]

I might just skip Deadshot tbh

[agile forge]

I do this: https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9bb9df2e-b6b7-422b-b7bf-eca2293f50b3

[trim hemlock]

Grawr was also taking Reciprocity over Close Quarters Killzone - it is a flexible choice, albeit CQK is a bit more "predictable"

[trim hemlock]

Yea, that's probably optimal

If you don't want Deadshot, you can probably also get rid of Duck and Dive

[rigid pilot]

I can't seem to decide whether I hate Deadshot with duck

[trim hemlock]

It's your call

Vet's tree is awesome

Choices ™️ matter ™️

[agile forge]

I'm thinking I'd like grenade tinkerer though

[rigid pilot]

Options 🥵

[agile forge]

but not sure how I could budget it

I feel like grenade tinkerer is mostly for smoke bombs

[trim hemlock]

Tinkerer is also insane with Shredder

Only Kraks don’t benefit greatly from it

[rigid pilot]

You just get reaper kills and more damage vs bosses

Maybe one day I'll get my psyker tree rework with more melee options

[agile forge]

And I'm getting black screens trying to join games atm

[lyric dock]

Kraks benefit is more likely to get Multikills if multiple Crushers or Bulwarks are stacked up on top of each other.

[rigid pilot]

True but would you pick tinkerer just for the chance of that happening

[lyric dock]

No. That skill point will be better used else where

I rarely use Kraks as my grenade of choice

[rigid pilot]

As long as Mk6 pee remains as it is I will almost never pick krak

[trim hemlock]

“Pee” Mk6

[lyric dock]

Shredders is my main nade choice

[dire olive]

I don't take krak because it's an extra point to get to survivalist

[lyric dock]

The pain of the Survivalist tax

[pastel geode]

It’s not a tax if you enjoy watching armored enemies pop from krak nades

[old prism]

got meself a shovel

Sprint efficiency isnt as bad as it seems, vet does benefit a lot from it

[trim hemlock]

Nice shuffle. I couldn’t live with Sprint efficiency on it, though

[old prism]

I'd prefer maniac as well, but one game company decided we can only change two things about our weapons

[agile forge]

I'd probably make another one. I wouldn't be happy with decimator either

Most important thing for me on the shovel VII is oneshotting Crushers

But if yours already does it, nvm then

[lyric dock]

At least it is workable

Deci isn't the best, but isn't the worst either

[dreamy spade]

nearly as good as mine

hadron please be kind

well...

[balmy flume]

My only issue with Krak nades is in PUG when other Krak vets and myself end up using the nades on the same target on instinct.

[trim hemlock]

That’s great, you can reroll both perks and already have two very workable blessings

[dreamy spade]

I kinda dont like stopping power on plasma

Makes it harder to hit weakpots

[trim hemlock]

I don’t understand - do elaborate

You’ve had one bad take about SP in the past, I feel like you don’t really fully comprehend how it works

[agile forge]

Stopping power is damage

[hearty panther]

no stopping power stops your power

[agile forge]

It's the most valuable stat on every weapon it appears on

[hearty panther]

and the more you have the more it is stopped

[dreamy spade]

low stopping power

[hearty panther]

its right in the name

[dreamy spade]

high stopping power

[hearty panther]

yea

i agree that is annoying as fuck