veteran-class

[tall torrent]

But I only have 3 example builds

[agile forge]

Send me :) It's really helping

I struggle to deal with not at least having a template to go off of tbh

Veteran as a class scared the shit out of me for way too long

[tall torrent]

Dm

[agile forge]

I feel like I could have 50 talent points and not feel like it's enough

I think for my last node I'll just go field improv

I'm trolling my team enough already having smoke grenades and no surv aura

so at least I can give an unexpected nice extra

Going to take this out for a spin now :D

[nocturne mulch]

Dont forget the 2 + movespeed talents and a +3 stam curios so you can bayonet charge everywhere

Hold down stab while sprinting will put you into a charge animation that does a little bit more damage than a normal stab

[wanton dawn]

McCraime will be happy

Jk

[tall torrent]

I only have 3 example builds rn and all 3 go survivalist + VoC

[wanton dawn]

I have a bunch of exe stance build

[tall torrent]

decided to ditch the scout sniper example because it looked too similar to combat medic

[tall torrent]

how many are boltgun

[wanton dawn]

1

[tall torrent]

I kinda want to add a boltgun example build

[wanton dawn]

My bolter build is 28 points in the core

[austere pine]

good. many people ask for them

[tall torrent]

send it pls

[wanton dawn]

Ops

Small mistakes

[tall torrent]

no shooter highlight?

[wanton dawn]

Nope

Highlight is useful for target priority designation on bolter. Trash highlight is distracting

In any case, 2 free points

If ppl want it, they can take it

[tall torrent]

ok

[vague smelt]

I mean they can

they should

[austere pine]

i've done it, soldiers

[vague smelt]

Redacted or general

[austere pine]

red

22 missions away from general, though

the kriegerhelm is a really bad unlock for that many missions if you ask me

[wanton dawn]

For agri brauto exe mf

[tall torrent]

[wanton dawn]

I think it is bad but what do i know

[wanton dawn]

It's good

It looks weird but it works wonder

Also ask dragonlily about it

[tall torrent]

This is how I have the build section structured out

[wanton dawn]

I stole it

[tall torrent]

I leave a few points for optional picks

[wanton dawn]

On exe stance bolter I recommend trying target designation (highlight for ally) on fog and darkness

[tame lodge]

At least you have the black colors

[last parcel]

this is spicy
yoink

[agile forge]

Ok I am super into this build now

[dawn garnet]

demoteam instead of rending strikes?

[tall torrent]

Why rending strikes with plasma

[dawn garnet]

oh ye nvm

i didnt notice the weapon selected

but yeah i use the same thing except with longshot and deadshot for regular guns+rending for demo

[lyric dock]

Congrats

[austere pine]

let's go

genuinely though? veteran has the easiest penances out there

cuz how in the hell do i 40 enemies withing 10 seconds

i think i just need to beg my teammates to not kill things

my stance is default posing what

[gray finch]

i remember doing it on lvl 10 zealot

[austere pine]

very luck-dependent

i used stun grenades for the longest time and only got to 30 very recently

[tall torrent]

Flamer

[austere pine]

fair point

in love with my veteran rn so i'll do it later

[wanton dawn]

Here is my mad scientist creation: plasma/ps agile engagement clown fiesta

This build hit like a truck as long as you have ammo

Do not play with kickback ogryn

[tall torrent]

[wanton dawn]

If you wonder about how damaging it is, the answer is yes

[limber lance]

does the talent Determined prevent knock back?

[fair river]

i was so close to getting the penance for not taking damage during a match

final stretch and my teammate shoots a barrel next to me for no reason

if you are here vox i would just like to say, i am beyond upset with you

[gray finch]

dont think it does

[tall torrent]

No

That’s not part of suppression

[limber lance]

is there any talent that does that like the zealot talent?

[gray finch]

there is get back in the fight! that give you 6s of stun immunity after loosing all toughness

[tall torrent]

2 actually

Get back in the fight
6s stun & slow immunity, also regain 50% stamina when toughness breaks (30s cooldown)

Leave no one behind
Stun immunity when any ally is down

[astral valve]

~~https://imgur.com/a/Ephmpqq~~ turned out pretty good

Oh wait!

I can attach images now!

I know it's not the most popular, but it has been a good gun to me :3

[hybrid token]

i was about to say "hey that build looks familiar"

[hybrid token]

dats mine

[wanton dawn]

No, i stole it

[hybrid token]

does a bit more damage than my recon build

average 900k to 1 million damage with brauto and 700 - 800k with recon

but thats problems with the recon not so much the build lol

[lyric dock]

Find a big group. Throw nade in. Go Ham

Pray the team has pretty shit horde clear for added chances

Or a player fails Melee 101 and dies to bruiser doing the "Are you paying attention" test

[umbral scaffold]

Me dumping all my dodges dodging backwards from the most threatening enemy in the game

The poxwalker

[hybrid token]

I dunno i got that on like my 3rd ever zealot mission at like level 5

[crude fiber]

Flamer or heavy sword probably. Playing in a pre-made group would help

[lean bloom]

Good melee weapons?

[austere pine]

power sword. chain axe. chain sword.

[lean bloom]

u sure?

ur name is chainaxe hater xd

[dire olive]

Shovel good too

Hipsters will tell you the Helbore

[agile forge]

For my veteran I use a power sword 6, an assault chainsword 4, and a shovel 7.

Shovel goes great with helbore tbh

Them kriegers are onto something

[lean bloom]

Can I see them?

[agile forge]

Can't log in tonight, about to sleep lol

[lyric dock]

I can supply you a Powersword, but that's all since Hadron bricks everything else

[austere pine]

just cause i don't like it doesn't mean it's bad

[lyric dock]

Chain axes are in a much better place compare to before

Traitor's Curse iirc buffed chain axes to be in a much better state and making them actually usable

[austere pine]

still pretty bad in my eyes as their attack patterns are dogwater to me

[tall torrent]

Mk12 isn’t all that bad

[austere pine]

that's the thing. i tried the mk12 and it ssucked to use

it has the property of throwing enemies around like an eviscerator but not the stagger potential of horizontal swings

[astral valve]

This seemed like it turned out okay

[lyric dock]

Not really

[astral valve]

Well I'm going from "this sounds fun and does what I want" to looking the veteran guide for some guidance on what's good

High priority stats are okay, I haven't modified anything yet

[lyric dock]

You probably get some milage out of it

[tall torrent]

This is unfortunately 4/4 bricked

[astral valve]

I don't quite operate at the "if it's not perfect it sucks" level yet :P

[tall torrent]

Decimator is ok but just very janky to play with

Well it’s not a matter of perfect or not

It’s not even at the level of serviceable yet

Rashad needs a ton of things rolled properly to be playable at a baseline lvl

[astral valve]

How do you define baseline

It seems pretty choppy so far

To be clear I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm just learning and pretty casual

[tall torrent]

Be able to 1 hit both bruisers in the head to activate brutal momentum so u can hit 4 enemies at once

Which allows it to kill bruiser hordes (where most melee weapons struggle) much faster

[lyric dock]

If there is 1 enemy that quickly wittle you down in a hurry is Brusiers

[astral valve]

I only operate on Heresy and a little Damnation so far

[tall torrent]

Heresy has less health than damnation but BM is still a mandatory blessing for Rashad

Otherwise Rashad basically cannot hit more than 1~2 enemy per swing

[lyric dock]

I used to have a PS 6 with Slaughter 4 + PC 4

And when I got my current PS 6 with BM4 + PC 4

Oh shit

It was night and fucking day

[last parcel]

play station 4

[astral valve]

Oh I do have Brutal Momentum III in my re-bless list, I guess I could do that

[lyric dock]

Horde clear imo is one of the big things you don't want to skimp out on.

[orchid hemlock]

where are u getting these images?

[hollow ibex]

It’s his work in progress guide

Don’t think it’s been shared publicly yet

[tall torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/armstrong-made-it-up-gif-25653819

[last parcel]

the old version is the latest pin

[tall torrent]

Newest version is kinda rdy

Just need more builds added

I only have 3 in there rn

[hollow ibex]

Should’ve released it yesterday

[tall torrent]

Why

[last parcel]

april fools

[tall torrent]

I’m too boring to do April fools ngl

[hollow ibex]

CYA

Someone has criticisms for the guide?

“Bro it was an April fools joke”

[tall torrent]

Well it would be difficult to criticize (in a legitimate manner)

[hollow ibex]

I admire the confidence

[tall torrent]

Because most things are pretty objective

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/ben-stiller-acting-tough-tough-strut-gif-7551880

[tall torrent]

The only non-objective parts I think some could have strong feelings about would be

The weapon radar charts

The curio recommendation section

And build section

I can send it to u rn if u want

[tall torrent]

The only curio parts I can see some having strong opinions abt would be CDR and gunner resist

[hollow ibex]

Nah all good. From what I’ve seen, guide looks

[rigid pilot]

Gunner resist is blegh

Did you cover at least some getting shot by sniper breakpoints? Like having 200hp and having >=20% sniper resist

[tall torrent]

Oh I covered a sniper breakpoint most people don’t even know about

[rigid pilot]

It means at 2 wounds, after 1 down you won't insta die to sniper

Other than toughness stuff

[tall torrent]

I didn’t get into the health breakpoint

But I talked abt the breakpoint where u can just tank a sniper shot and take no health dmg like a Chad

[rigid pilot]

This is cool but I hardly find it practical when I can just do a peeshout and give myself yellow overshield

[tall torrent]

It’s not that bad of an idea for exe stance

I didn’t get into health breakpoints because health scaling is not that great for veteran generally speaking

[tiny summit]

I see all curio choices as inconsequential except like grimoire resist because grimiores aren't lame and not worth

[tall torrent]

[last parcel]

i need that 2 wound 2 grimoire breakpoint

4 grimoires

[tiny summit]

Someone picks up a grimoire

My friend: I'm not picking them up

[crude fiber]

Had a bug happen 2 separate times where we had 3 grimoire. Had like 50 max hp on vet

[final stag]

You can also take no health damage from a crusher overhead with Hunters resolve, close order drill and iron will.

[hoary horizon]

Ulgo pick them up but not with love

[somber axle]

This is really good to know

I might swap around some curio perks later to feel this

I use Gunner resist on my Psyker's curios because they feel like they tear open my Psyker without it but not on Vet

[tall torrent]

It’s not always useful but when it happens it’s magical

[astral valve]

I don't have any great ways to deal with a large number of ranged on my psyker but I go hunting for them with my vet, the more the better, it's very cathartic :D

[tall torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/halo-reach-shoot-running-head-shot-gif-16967340

You can just prevent this

[somber axle]

I don't use Voice of Command often. I have a big preference for Infiltrate (and have been enjoying simple Kantrael MG 1a vibes with Executioner's Stance recently too)

Being able to tank a sniper shot without VoC sounds funny and worth swapping some perks for

[tall torrent]

If u play infiltrate, use hunter’s resolve

[somber axle]

I understand the feeling. Playing Psyker makes me appreciate Vet more for clearing rooms of shooters

End up so angry at the rooms full of gunners and standard shooters that I decided to bring back the Kantrael Lasgun with Executioner's Stance just to enjoy the catharsis of cleaning them ezpz

[somber axle]

I like the -90% threat reduction more just so I can stand next to a team mate for what feels like forever and be safe

Almost like old Camo Stance

[astral valve]

Yeah I'm all about trying to shield the vet and letting them do their thing when we need someone to deal with ranged

[somber axle]

Plus it lets me quietly and safely do remote or run batteries for objectives easier

[astral valve]

I did finally run into the bug today where Executioner's Stance invariably summoned ogryn butt front and center more often than not

[tall torrent]

Hunter’s resolve hits some pretty insane defense breakpoints

[hoary horizon]

Is why Ulgo behind you little ones

[astral valve]

I appreciate you Ulgo
I try to stay out of the way too

[hoary horizon]

[astral valve]

Being extra short helps like that

[hoary horizon]

Agreed!

[final stag]

Plus it doesn't dump aggro on much squishier teammates

It allows you to tank aggressively as a stealth vet and help defend your squishier teammates

[final stag]

I do however agree with this.

Both are defensive but hunters resolve I feel is better for clutching because for 10 seconds your are the tankiest mf in the squad

[tall torrent]

Take both

[final stag]

That's harsh on talent points isn't it 💀

I choose one or the other nfjdnd

[rigid pilot]

Not fcken joking dungeon and dragons?

[somber axle]

Sounds like I should give Hunter's Resolve another try. I will swap the point over after work and feel out how it performs vs the threat reduction

[shadow aurora]

?

[somber axle]

Yeah! I don't always trust the damage reduction to keep the odd hound, trapper, mutie or mauler from sneaking up on me when my team is wacking at poxwalkers so the threat reduction means the Ogryn who wants to be in front of my gun 24/7 can be the tank he thinks he is when nothing aggroes onto me post-stealth

For objectives it has been very clutch and even bought me time to pull off very risky revives

Sometimes Infiltrate stealth breaks as I reach my revive target and it's unclear why but the threat reduction buys me a few more seconds anyway

[shadow aurora]

Dude the reduction is busted

You can stand in front of a horde and only a stray few pox walkers will even pay attention to you

[tall torrent]

infil is harsh on talent points, period

[rigid pilot]

Unless you go full right side

[final stag]

It's the solo aspect
If you're by yourself the 50% dmg reduction flat is amazing. I also don't get ogryns a lot of the time so I have to be the guy who eats the odd overhead and lives without taking health damage

[shadow aurora]

No surv😭

[final stag]

Of course the -90 threat is amazing too. I just don't like dumping aggro on allies since I use infil mega aggressive

[somber axle]

I definitely feel bad if it's another Vet or a Psyker but a Zealot or Ogryn should be totally OK with a few more poxwalkers walking their direction

I've had some very funny team comps in quickplay like 3 Ogryns 1 Vet when I'm the Vet and the only way I could get LoS was trying to be faster than them to be ahead of the wrecking crew

Situations like that I don't think anyone cares if I have threat reduction because they're all competing to protect me anyway

[final stag]

If it's zealot or ogryn I don't care to dump aggro they can handle it but I try to protect the psykers or veterans fhndnd need to be the cadian that can eat the overhead for them

[tall torrent]

sorta finished document and tired of waiting for update

guess I'll play Dishonoured

[final stag]

I might play mechanicus today who knows

[last parcel]

Shall we gather for whiskey and cigars tonight?

[tall torrent]

I never played dishonoured before so I prob don’t get that reference

[last parcel]

aye that's fair

[astral valve]

Hurry up and play so you get the reference

[feral jetty]

I will always protect you lil un

[somber axle]

We all watch each other's backs when things get rough

[final stag]

Look at you guys :)

I just violently decapitate with my Rashad

[somber axle]

Killing everything that moves is also a way of protecting the team

Personally love throwing clutch smites into crusher/mauler crowds and watching a Zealot go absolutely ham ripping them apart

[final stag]

I do the same as a zealot but as a vet
Call myself Zealot Lite
And I also play like a rager but instead of dual axes I will wildly and frequently shoot my revolver point blank into hordes for the +25% damage

[somber axle]

I've been playing lots of Psyker lately

[slate hawk]

But aren't smite psykers only supposed to smite the hoard then go down to the 2 trash mobs behind them?
/s

[somber axle]

Alternating between a Surge staff/Smite/Venting Shriek build and a Gunker using Macabian IV/Las Pistol/Smite/Scryer's Gaze

It's really funny playing Psyker and sprinting into melee to stab through hordes, maulers and crushers sometimes but smite/venting shriek build is funny for just keeping an entire crowd locked down forever

[slate hawk]

Psyker is dumb strong when played correctly

[somber axle]

Playing Vet taught me to look over my shoulder frequently because I swear the AI director waits for the whole squad to look in one direction before spawning a poxwalker directly behind everyone

[slate hawk]

It does feel like that sometimes

[somber axle]

Kinda funny playing a Gunker build but being in melee most of the time

[final stag]

Gunker is so fun to me

Mainly because I hate full magi psyker

[somber axle]

I haven't toyed with Trauma staff or Voidstrike staff yet tbh but some others I've seen in the Psyker channel swear by one of those

I think Voidstrike

[final stag]

It's like psykers plasma equivalent

Trauma is pretty good tho

[somber axle]

Personally love Surge staff just because sometimes the thing I zap violently explodes into a blood fountain and it's extra funny doing it to muties

[slate hawk]

I'm a bit too addicted to sticky rumbler

[final stag]

You can make all psyker staffs work tbh

[slate hawk]

I just wish there was a tier 4 version that would also make it stick to specials and all elites

[somber axle]

Ogryn is probably the class I have the least experience with honestly

[final stag]

Ogryn is my second most played class

[somber axle]

I only know how to do Gunlugger Ogryn with Achlys Stubber to mow down rager packs with shield + brutal momentum for slapping hordes around

I haven't experimented with it much yet

[final stag]

I like the knife but that'd just me

[slate hawk]

Vet, zealot, ogryn, psyker

[final stag]

Skull breaker with the krouk knife and kickback are great

[somber axle]

My play time is probably

Vet >>> Psyker > Zealot >>> Ogryn

I have put a lot of hours into Vet

[final stag]

Mine is vet>ogryn>psyker>zealot

[slate hawk]

I have 250 mission done weith both vet and zel but not even 150 with ogryn and psyker lol

[final stag]

Lol

[somber axle]

I should check my mission count when I get home

[slate hawk]

Don't worry

[final stag]

Veteran is such a fun archetype

[slate hawk]

Dream team is only at 42/100

[somber axle]

It is but sometimes I feel boring for loving Vet so much

[final stag]

I don't. Mainly because I don't conform to the meta so I feel often unique to other veterans

[slate hawk]

Shovel make Brain happy

[final stag]

Praise the shit shovel

[somber axle]

Psyker: crazy space wizard connected to some dark chaotic energy that could go insane any second and turn into a monster or violently explode

Ogryn: giant man who could crush someone's head in the palm of their hand throwing boulders and firing anything from literal cannons to two heavy machine guns haphazardly glued together

Zealot: devoted bastard proves to be literally unkillable through being too angry to die and too fast to catch. Faith, fire and fury all in a loveable bundle

Veteran: I shoot gun and throw grenades

Feels like playing generic human knight in a fantasy game with all sorts of mystical and wild races and classes

[wanton dawn]

Angry veteran scream so hard he makes giant flesh monster fall over from edge

[somber axle]

LMFAO ok yeah that's good

Also laughed a bunch when a friend discovered Voice of Command will make a Beast of Nurgle spit someone out

"WHAT'S IN YOUR MOUTH DOG?? SPIT IT OUT RIGHT NOW"

Burgle vomits Ogryn

[slate hawk]

That's my bothers cat, but with plastic

[wanton dawn]

Liar. You cat ignores you when you scream

Or eat faster

[final stag]

It's more
The average man hardened by war.

[slate hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-catnom-bite-leg-gif-16279618

[somber axle]

my cat just chews on my hair when she wants my attention

particularly when I'm in the middle of trying to survive intense moments in Darktide

[final stag]

Not too different from the zealot being a religious man, mad with fervor

[somber axle]

my fav conversation of the rejects recently is the Psyker making fun of the Emperor and when a Veteran tells them to shut it the Psyker goes "Oooh. Scary. Or what? Some mystical bolt will strike me down?" And the Vet going: "No. You keep going on and I'll shoot you myself."

Vets definitely have some good personality in their dialogue

[slate hawk]

I find it a bit Criminal how little comments I've gotten on the name of my zealot

I'm going to exterminates their planet

-Goge Vandire

[wanton dawn]

Everybody makes fun of the vet until he says that he WILL shoot you

[slate hawk]

I always end up shooting people because they're always walking in front of me

Which is why I use a plasma gun because then it kinda doesn't matter

[somber axle]

as dumb as it is to run three stam +3 curios, the benefit is that nothing short of a knife zealot is going to get in front of me ever with how fast I am

I will outrun the team for a clear line of sight and most of the things I want to shoot will be gone before they round the corner after me

my skin is made of paper and my bones are made of glass but this doesn't matter so long as I make use of cover and keep dodging properly

[wanton dawn]

You underestimate how oblivious some ogryns player can be

[somber axle]

I know exactly how oblivious they are and it's why I plan around being faster than them

if they sprint in front of me to try to swing at something I was shooting, I sprint around them to get back to the front and resume shooting

[slate hawk]

I run 2 toughness and 1 + 3 stamina

[somber axle]

this is absolutely much smarter than the clown nonsense I do but I love running triple stam curios with deadshot for true clownery

play perfect or die

[slate hawk]

I probably need to look at my build again but I really dislike how Currently with the same curios swapping from a shout veteran to Executioner stands veteran I lose quite a bit of toughness

[somber axle]

how do you check the number of missions you've played on a class

oh wait I think I found it

[slate hawk]

The way I did it is I looked at the specific classes, You get more penance points up till 250 missions

[somber axle]

56 on Zealot, 72 on Psyker, 25 on Ogryn

idk how many on Vet but I think I found a way to check

subtract out the other classes since I think this one is accountwide

788 - 153 = 635 missions on Vet

I love my Vet

[wanton dawn]

I think I am above 1300

[somber axle]

you are more Veteran than me for sure

[wanton dawn]

We all bleed red

[somber axle]

I want the special portrait with the red curtains from the 1000 missions complete penance

it'll look really good with the red and gold armour on my Zealot

[slate hawk]

How close are you to doing the 500 special missions?

[somber axle]

under 100!

soon I will have green glowy

[slate hawk]

Noice! I'm like 20-19 away

[wanton dawn]

1274 mission on vet

[somber axle]

[wanton dawn]

well, win

Also I am like 25k away from the 1m kill banner

[somber axle]

geez

[slate hawk]

Helldivers 2 and work have been recently interfering with that lol

[somber axle]

I'm just beginning to approach 500k

that's a lot of skulls

[slate hawk]

For the God emperor

[somber axle]

skull hoarder is a really cool portrait too

nice gold with red banners, golden swords through skulls and lots more skulls

very pretty

[slate hawk]

I'm gonna say I find it a bit hilarious how quickly I got the revive a 1000 operatives

Is compared to the rescue 500

[wanton dawn]

freaking dreyko and repair

[somber axle]

revive 1000 operatives is funny to get

spam quickplay and get it ezpz with how often people go down

[slate hawk]

If only there was more than one investigate

Is and more than 2 repair missions

[somber axle]

maybe one day they'll add more

[slate hawk]

Soon™️

I hope when we receive news of what's the comment invigorates me a little bit to play this game a bit more because I do really enjoy the gameplay Loop like in vermintide 2

[agile forge]

I do double staminas as a balance

but I recently found out that one is actually a pretend +3 =/

[last parcel]

[nocturne mulch]

Why does the Achlys Combat Axe attack so slow

Wish they would make it faster

And make the heavies all horizontal sweeps would be nice

[rocky hound]

Ok how does one play veteran effectively, I’ve maxed out every other class but I feel like I’m doing something wrong because I keep dying and I’m not sure how to improve.

[shadow aurora]

Veteran is one of the squishier classes can you show us your build?

[wanton dawn]

Veteran only has one (very strong) instant panic button: VoC or infiltrate. The rest is your standard recovery tool and fundamental gameplay.

Vet does not have good passive to improve survability compared to other classes

[rocky hound]

I can’t show you currently but I can tell you what I have equipped (weapons and perks)

[rocky hound]

I think I get what you mean

[wanton dawn]

If you get trapped you are usually down

[shadow aurora]

Depends

[wanton dawn]

on your mate

[shadow aurora]

You can actually make it out somewhat consistently with right stuff

[wanton dawn]

When I say trap, I say trapper

[shadow aurora]

Oh

I never get caught by them so cant relate

[rocky hound]

I use bolt gun and power sword is that a bad choice?

[wanton dawn]

Bolter is not a good choice for survability

Bad swap speed and reload

[rocky hound]

Yes very bad swap, I just remember liking it on zealot but it hasn’t been good on vet

[shadow aurora]

Power sword has horrible dodge and bolter isnt great either if youre having trouble staying up maybe consider taking a lighter weapon

[wanton dawn]

Powersword is fine but it is survability by killing and stagger

It is a "stand your ground" type of survival

[rocky hound]

Any suggestions on a better gun?

[wanton dawn]

plasma is a direct upgrade survability wise

[shadow aurora]

Revolver is a similar feel to bolter

[rocky hound]

I do like the power sword it just took some getting used to

[wanton dawn]

Reload is slower but mag is HUGE so you space it

swap is too fast

for this kind of gun

[rocky hound]

Revolver is what I use on phyker and zealot but I don’t have the one I like for vet yet

But so revolver and plasma gun are good choices is what I’m hearing

[shadow aurora]

If you want a heavy killer yeah

There are some other guns that can mow down heavies but those are the big two

[rocky hound]

Ok sounds good, also I keep seeing a large amount of vets using the combat knife, should I use that instead of the power sword?

[shadow aurora]

Power sword is good

[trim hemlock]

Combat blade has different quirks than the PS does - its strongest purpose is to have good single target damage potential against elites and such, and good mobility

[wanton dawn]

Plasma is the hardest gun to make a bad talent tree with

[shadow aurora]

Knife is great if you want a funny dodge

[trim hemlock]

(Good mobility at a cost of making dodges slightly longer, but also having a longer delay before another one can be chained)

[wanton dawn]

Ps survability is all about utilizing the very small dodge to dance around while you stagger everything with powered hit

It is bad at disengaging

[rocky hound]

Ya I was wondering why I kept messing up my dodges, I didn’t realize it had a smaller dodge.

[trim hemlock]

It is indeed bad at flight - you don’t really have an option to exit a fight easily without using some other resources

Or just fighting your way out

[shadow aurora]

Veterans abilities are the best way to disengage

Except volly

Ofc

[wanton dawn]

Well, I play mostly volly these days

Unless I play my clown plasma build

Or no ammo maesltrom

[vague smelt]

how do you hit several enemies with a grenade without it bouncing

[shadow aurora]

Throw at ground so they walk on it

[wanton dawn]

Bit of training, then repetition until you get the penance

[vague smelt]

I don't get it

the grenade must not bounce

is that what it means

[wanton dawn]

You must throw in the air

And it explodes above ground

[shadow aurora]

OHHH

THE PENANCE

sorry

[vague smelt]

Also how do I know my accuracy for this penace

[wanton dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-the-neat-part-you-dont-invincible-gif-27194608

[vague smelt]

Ah

I suppose is just don't miss a single shot

[shadow aurora]

Just waste ammo on tanky enemies

And dont pick up ammo

Make build centered around melee

[wanton dawn]

do not shot bulwark shield

do not take survivalist

[rocky hound]

Ok I’ll probably try a couple builds of course, but thank you all for giving me some pointers and insight. Anyways goodnight I’m going to bed

[vague smelt]

Do you have a proper mele oriented build

Only the tree

[shadow aurora]

I can whip up something rq

Id also recommend using ps

[nocturne mulch]

Thoughts on this build?

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ba53df2-0a07-4aeb-9e1d-dabf687f7f0d/driptide-veteran-hive-ganger-shredder-autopistol-rashad-combat-axe?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

Trying to make shredder work

[wanton dawn]

Well

Shredder is worse ciag rn

[nocturne mulch]

Yeah I know

[shadow aurora]

Take some gunner res

[wanton dawn]

It is hard to make it work

[nocturne mulch]

Bored of meta

That build turns it into a laser

[wanton dawn]

Not really. Most of my melee build are more hybrid in nature

Also I play melee like a lunatic

[nocturne mulch]

Powderburn is actually really strong

[nocturne mulch]

I tend to leave curios up to the reader, I've never had problems with gunners so never felt like I needed gunner resist on any build

Others might value it though

[shadow aurora]

I always make sure to have at least one

I play this game like a barbarian

[nocturne mulch]

I tend to just throw on 1x hp 2x toughness all with ability regen, hp, and toughness, on all of my builds in game lantern as that's a pretty reliable setup for someone not yet at the stage of min/maxing curios

In actual gameplay I will mix and match

But for general readers I just put in something simple and effective

[shadow aurora]

Fair

[grand perch]

Remove suppression immunity in favour of the left node there. You already have the ultimate and also I'm not sure if autopistol even receives suppression penalties (would have to check)

[shadow aurora]

Btw how good is the volly fire plus autopistol?

Build seems a bit more close ranged so i can imagine itd be difficult to pick out certain enemies from time to time

[nocturne mulch]

Thats where powderburn comes in

You get so many close range kills that it's almost always up

And it + exec stance + crouch gives you pinpoint accuracy at almost any range

Maybe drop grenade regen to get agile engagement?

But grenade regen so nice 😦

[grand perch]

Never ever drop grenade regen

[shadow aurora]

I can't suggest ever not bringing some sort of nade regen with vet

I guess you wouldn't be as bad off with this build due to rashad but still

[nocturne mulch]

I think maybe I have just reached the limit of shredder in the current patch

Like I can comfortably run auric with it

But it definitely is weaker and gets carried a little bit by BM rashad

[shadow aurora]

I love the shredder. I use it with my evis zealot

[nocturne mulch]

I just cant not take evis + bolter and roleplay space marine on my zealot lol

Its the only zealot build I enjoy

Blazing piety + perfect strike evis is just so damn good lol

And then knife bolter switch...

[shadow aurora]

Marty + fury is a blast you should try it

[nocturne mulch]

Oh I do have a marty + fury maul build, it seems pretty op and even though I suck with zealot it is an easy win

Only have one more vet ranged weapon to master

The new revolver

Is it same perks/blessings at zarona?

[shadow aurora]

Good luck. New revolver isnt great on vet

[nocturne mulch]

Yeah literally not used it all

[shadow aurora]

Im not sure actually

[nocturne mulch]

Thanks lol, not sure what to expect

Just setting a build up for it now

Grabbed a good roll off brunt but got shafted by hadron

Crit chance + Flak and Point Blank + Gloryhunter lol

[shadow aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/sisyphus-camus-philosophy-gif-27655787

[nocturne mulch]

And I dont have surgical or hand cannon saved fml

Time to farm blessings

[somber axle]

Agripina Revolver wants Crucian + Hand Cannon afaik

Zarona Revolver wants Surgical + Hand Cannon

[nocturne mulch]

Ah okay nice, I at least have crucian

[somber axle]

Agripina Revolver can get some pretty crazy crit chance and is still pretty fun to play with imo

[nocturne mulch]

Hmm crit chace/flak should actually be fine then

So maybe Hadron did okay

Sorry Hadron for doubting you

[somber axle]

Zarona Revolver is overall better for Vet's ranged playstyle but Agripina Revolver can work fine

plus it's very funny using the Agripina Revolver to just dump shots into a monstrosity and chunk their hp

very bursty gun

[nocturne mulch]

Yeah I have a meta knife/zarona build

But im wanting to try do an agri build for variety

[somber axle]

experimenting is definitely worth it

[nocturne mulch]

Oh fuck I just creamed myself. Hadron just gave me a god roll

[somber axle]

meta builds get boring after a few matches

make stuff up as you go and see what ends up being funny

[nocturne mulch]

Got t4 unyielding and t4 crucian

And stat roll is insane

[somber axle]

nice

[nocturne mulch]

Maniac or carapace?

[shadow aurora]

Id recommend maniac

Take krak for carapace

Idk the breakpoints and all that mumbo jumbo though

Just an educated guess

[nocturne mulch]

Alright cheers

Lets give it a go

[agile forge]

Is krak worth it with zarona/knife though?

You have two weapons that can already kill crushers, and poor horde control

I would have thought frag grenades were the way to go

but I still probably wouldn't take carapace+ on the weapons unless you have a very particular reason to

(like I have it on my shovel because my shovel is there specifically to kill crushers, and the bendy bonk kills most other things anyway)

[shadow aurora]

Oh knife?

[nocturne mulch]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9bafc2ce-8e19-41fc-b475-d3c30f5e94d0/driptide-veteran-rogue-trader-agripinaa-stub-revolver-mk-vi-power-sword?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[shadow aurora]

I thought that was referring to the other build

Oh psword yeah i recommend krak still

[trim hemlock]

Hm. I wonder how this would fare:

Weapons: Bolter + any melee

[nocturne mulch]

Top right you dont need

Swap them to top middle

[trim hemlock]

And why would I do that, OfB is awesome

[nocturne mulch]

It's unnecessary

[agile forge]

PS6 kills crushers very fast too tbf

[nocturne mulch]

You shouldnt have problems keeping toughness up off chaff anyway

Confirmed Kill is much better

And since you have deadshot bolter there is a pro tip

Drop the stam delay talent, and find an extra point, then get focus target and and the + stam regen on focus kill modifier

It will give you much more stamina than the passive regen from the stam delay node

For reference here is my crit bolter build that does a lot of 1 shotting

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9b1684f3-6154-4fa5-a5ea-bca915ce2e5a/driptide-veteran-inquisitorial-stormtrooper-crit-bolter-kill-feed-madness?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[trim hemlock]

This I can adhere to, it's a good tip, but I still don't want to drop OfB for CK

[nocturne mulch]

Drop the nade on elite kill theb

Wow agr revolver actually kinda rocks

[vague smelt]

How am I supposed to throw a grenade from a high distance to hit 5 without touching the ground

[lyric dock]

There's a few rooms where you can easily get it

Such as the Foundry room

[vague smelt]

Foundry Room?

[lyric dock]

The mission where you fix the foundry

Where you come in and rewake up the foundry again

[vague smelt]

The smelter?

[lyric dock]

Yeah

[vague smelt]

What about Frenzied killer?

I managed to kill 110 enemies but how am I supposed to kill 120 in 30s

[wanton dawn]

Risky

[vague smelt]

All I did was gunlugger Ogryn on some massive HI game

[sinful jacinth]

I found the bridge on Vigil Station the best.

[lyric dock]

That is basically chance if the stars line up for it

[vague smelt]

Dreiko?

[sinful jacinth]

The throw is just far enough from one end to the other on that bridge.

So you don't have to guess how far you need to throw.

[vague smelt]

Hm

[sinful jacinth]

This bridge.

Where horde come and you have to wait for the lift.

[wanton dawn]

Your version has no reload help and only one thoughness node that is not great on a semi-auto

So risky

[lyric dock]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2890330349

I found this while checking Steam guides on the off chance there is one

[sinful jacinth]

And the thing is on that bridge horde is coming for a good period.

Not like other maps you have to wait for one horde. And if your team kills it your fucked.

[trim hemlock]

“Toughness node” I.e., toughness replenishment node like OfB, CL, ET?

[wanton dawn]

Or target down

Target down helps for that and deadshot

[trim hemlock]

Will take another look at it, albeit I’m not willing to deviate heavily from the base idea of combining powerful and frequent grenades with a marksman gun of sorts

Any busted options are out of the question, at least in regard to ranged weapons

I’d probably could save a point by going into VoC and Fire Team, but not taking Survivalist is not very wise an approach, either

[wanton dawn]

Remove longshot and stam regen

[trim hemlock]

And go FT + TD?

[wanton dawn]

Yeah

Or the 60s regen.

Save you 2 points

Still have the 5% on kill

[trim hemlock]

That’s also an idea to consider

I’ll probably make at least 2-3 slightly different versions of it and see how it fares

[wanton dawn]

Sure

[vivid silo]

How is the Plasma an upgrade over the Bolter survivability wise? It has less mobility than a Boltgun with 44% Mobility stat, except for sprinting and base stamina (which are both not very important for survivability with a ranged weapon). In almost all other aspects the Plasma is a lot stronger, but not survivability.

[wanton dawn]

Is that a question or an argument ?

[agile forge]

Killing more things faster without reloading

[vivid silo]

Using that logic, then the Power Sword is also better defensively than something like the Knife

becuase it kills faster

That's why I'm asking

My first point was a question. Then I follow up with why I asked that question (comparing the defensive stats of both weapons).

[wanton dawn]

Plasma has faster swap and can space reload better

Because of huge mag

[vivid silo]

I wouldn't call that survivability personally, but I guess thats semantics

That's more offensive power in my eyes, being able to keep sustained fire going for longer

Conversely, the Bolter is far better at dealing with something that needs to die RIGHT NOW

[agile forge]

Except it has already hit you while you draw it

[wanton dawn]

Not if you start from melee. Which you often find yourself into against mixed horde

[vivid silo]

That point was regarding sustained fire, not the quickswap

[dire olive]

After you've unpacked it from its suitcase and hoisted it up into firing position

[vivid silo]

I see 2 points presented: Quick swap and the reload thing

I was responding to the second one

in that regard

[agile forge]

Swap speed and reload speed are an important part of defensive play

[wanton dawn]

Bolter inability to quickswap is an issue under pressure and cannot quickswap to kill special

[vivid silo]

I don't deny the quickswapping aspect

please

[wanton dawn]

Plasma has 40+ shot in the mag, which is like, 30s of shot without reloading

[dire olive]

I mean bolter has great suppression too, but so does plasma

[vivid silo]

If you have both weapons out, the Plasma has sustained fire, the Bolter has burst DPS. Both things are very useful for staying alive under different circumstances

[dire olive]

Plasma is just kind of busted rn it's the way it is

[vivid silo]

I don't deny that

That's why I wrote the Plasma is superior in almost every other aspect (implying it's the better overall option)

so i'm not saying the Bolter is better than the Plasma overall

[wanton dawn]

Bolter burst dps only matter against boss. Plasma has better stun profile.

[vivid silo]

Bolter is better against a small group of Crushers

Or Ragers

[wanton dawn]

No

[vivid silo]

Yes

[wanton dawn]

No its not

[dire olive]

It really isn't

[wanton dawn]

I play both. Its not

[vivid silo]

I play both, it is

Wonderful argument 😄

[agile forge]

I genuinely don't think the Bolter is stronger than Plasma at anything, right now.

[vivid silo]

If the Bolter can kill your target(s) within the first magazine, it's superior

[wanton dawn]

I play plasma is no ammo maelstrom. Id never bring bolter in it

[agile forge]

Being able to be used on a Zealot I guess lmao

[wanton dawn]

Stop coping

[agile forge]

No ammo maelstrom is a weird edge case

[vivid silo]

That's completely irrelvant to the point I was making

[agile forge]

I wouldn't consider the balance there really

[vivid silo]

Now you are talking about ammo efficiency

which is the primary concern in that mode

[wanton dawn]

He brought rager and crusher

[agile forge]

You see those everywhere anyway lmao

[vivid silo]

Again, if the Bolter can kill the targets in question with the first mag, it's superior for that engagement than the Plasma

I mean, it dumps its load much quicker

The thing is, you often need MORE damage than a Bolters worth of damage

[dire olive]

So does bolter being better hinge entirely on the group of uglies about to maul you to death being just small enough to one mag them

[wanton dawn]

Am not interested anymore. Clearly it was not a question

[vivid silo]

I mean, that's the context I presented the argument in, so yeah Rogue

I got an answer, and then you continued to argue

I'm satisfyed with the answer you gave, I just don't agree

[dire olive]

Seems like cherry picking to me

[vivid silo]

No idea why MrCraime is acting so offended

I presented the situation as that, that the Bolter is better under those specific circumstances

so yeah?

I never tried to argue the Bolter is overall superior

I've stated the multiple times now

[dire olive]

Your point was bolter was a better defense weapon

[vivid silo]

It has far better defensive stats, yes, even with a sub-par mobility roll

[dire olive]

You can't just say "well in this very specific niche circumstance it is, so it is"

[vivid silo]

That's not my only argument

[dire olive]

And ignore all else

[vivid silo]

and you talk about cherry pickign?

seriously?

You didn't even bother to read my arguments

or the context

I guess double standards are twice as good, eh?

[dire olive]

I didn't bring up anything else since I feel that was all refuted already

[vivid silo]

It has been refuted that the Bolter has better defensive stats?

Really?

Or that it kills a small group of enemies faster than the Plasm?

I mean, you talk about cherrypicking and ignoring everything else

And then you do this

[dire olive]

Spamming rhetorical questions does not make you seem more intelligent, fyi

[vivid silo]

Presenting double standards does not make you seem more itelligent, fyi

Doing exactly what you accuse others of

[dire olive]

What exactly am I cherry picking

[vivid silo]

"So does bolter being better hinge entirely on the group of uglies about to maul you to death being just small enough to one mag them"

As if that was my only argument

[dire olive]

It was a question

[vivid silo]

I see no question mark

sorry

[dire olive]

Just me being lazy

That's semantics

[vivid silo]

Fair enough. In that case, then no, that's clearly not the only thing it hinges on

[dire olive]

So what else?

[vivid silo]

Which would be obvious if you had bothered reading

[dire olive]

I did, that's why I'm confused you'd even bring that up

[vivid silo]

And it's not "The Bolter is better" either, it's the Bolter being better defensively

It's the Bolter being better defensively

But I guess thats also you being lazy in asking the right question?

Or were you trying to imply I'm arguing the Bolter is better than the Plasma overall?

Despite I having stated the exact opposite, multiple times

[dire olive]

Which you've still failed to prove in any meaningful way

[vivid silo]

So far I've seen 2 arguments for the Plasma: Quick swapping (which I agree with) and better offensive power

[agile forge]

Bolter really seems to only kill monsters better tbh, idk

[vivid silo]

The Bolter has better defensive stats and worse (sustained) offensive power

but better burst DPS

both sustained and burst DPS have their uses

depending on circumstances

[dire olive]

Which stats are these exactly?

Mobility?

Because that's nearly irrelevant

[vivid silo]

And saying the Plasma is better defensively because of killing power than the Bolter is like saying the Power Sword is better defensively than the Combat Knife

Mobility is absolutely not irrelevant if you know how to use it

[dire olive]

No it isn't

[lyric dock]

Your best offense is your best Defense

[vivid silo]

So, you also think the Power Sword is a better defensive weapon than the Knife`?

[dire olive]

Power sword is slower and clunkier like the bolter is to the plasma

[agile forge]

In some circumstances yes.

Others no.

[vivid silo]

I agree, it's circumstancial

But these people just say it's irrelevant

which isn't the same

[lyric dock]

Depends on the context at the time of a match

[dire olive]

The difference is negligible between the two guns in question

[vivid silo]

Twice the dodge limit?

Negligible?

Right

[dire olive]

Switch to melee

[vivid silo]

You never dodge with ranged out?

Ok

Dodge distance is superior too

As is sprint speed

[dire olive]

Making assumptions

Clearly you are arguing in bad faith, enjoy your copium

[vivid silo]

WHy else would you tell me to switch to melee?

[wanton dawn]

You could have said at the beginning that it was an argument, i might have entertain the though

[vivid silo]

If you don't see the value of being able to dodge with your ranged weapon out, I don't know what to tell you

seriously

[dire olive]

Never said that

[vivid silo]

I said it had better dodges. You told me to switch to melee as a response

What were you trying to say then?

Just come out and say it instead of speaking in riddles

[dire olive]

If you're desperate for dodges do that

Not for every dodge like you're implying

[vivid silo]

But if I don't need to switch to melee, that is a bonus

if I need to use my ranged weapon to kill priority targets at range, whilst dodging melee threats

[dire olive]

Yeah because of your terrible equip speed

[vivid silo]

I do it with other weapons too

for example, if I'm using Exe Stance

for the kicks

Not everyone plays 100% meta builds all the time, hence other aspects become more useful

[dire olive]

That doesn't make them better than the meta though

[vivid silo]

Make what better than meta?

the builds?

[dire olive]

Is this still about the bolter being better defense?

[vivid silo]

I'm not saying an ES build is better than a meta build

[dire olive]

Or have we derailed

[vivid silo]

You said "make them better than the meta"

[wanton dawn]

Really though, i acted "offended" and left cuz i saw the 30min rant wall from a mile away.

[vivid silo]

What is "them"?

Sure 🙂

[dire olive]

Yeah idk why I'm bothering

[wanton dawn]

So yeah, i answer question. I dont argue

[vivid silo]

And if you noticed, I never tried to pick up the argument with you

only people that tried to argue back with me

(at MrCraime)

[dire olive]

People tend to do that when you claim something outrageous

[vivid silo]

You aren't even answering my question

You said "make them better than the meta". What is "them"?

[dire olive]

It's not a question worth answering

[wanton dawn]

You did not answer my first question

[vivid silo]

Which was? Pardon, it's been a while

[wanton dawn]

This

[vivid silo]

I answered

[wanton dawn]

Well, i am stupid then

[vivid silo]

My first point was a question. Then I follow up with why I asked that question (comparing the defensive stats of both weapons).

Was what I wrote

It wasn't even meant as an argument, but rather an explanation to my question

Since I assumed you had other arguments than the defensive stats, which you did

But then RogueReaver jumped in and cherrypicked my responses, accused me of cherrypicking, ignored what I wrote, and then accused me of ignoring what's written

And then seemingly got offended when I called him/her out on it

Started writing imprecise riddles, and accosting me for not being able to read his/her mind

[wanton dawn]

I mean, i have 0 interest in that

If you dont like what he said block him

Or leave

Thats what i do

[vivid silo]

I have blocked him now

[dire olive]

That is blatant exaggeration but go off I guess

[vivid silo]

And as I wrote "I'm satisfyed with the answer you gave, I just don't agree"

I can agree to disagree just fine

I'm sure he/she is complaining now 🙂

[shadow aurora]

Wowza whats been going on in here

[wanton dawn]

Still, if i saw the writing on the wall at your very first question, maybe you should put some water in your wine

[vivid silo]

No worries

It (Plasma being "better" defensively) was just something I hadn't seen presented alot, so was curious

I personally can't wait for the Plasma to be nerfed so I can get back to using it more

[dire olive]

I only kept going because I don't appreciate people being condescending and then write text walls of ad hominems and strawmen trying to paint me as some kind of idiot

It's incredibly rude

[shadow aurora]

You need to chill its to early for this

[wanton dawn]

Pretty sure its over now

[dire olive]

Anyway here's a picture of my cat

[shadow aurora]

He's so spoinkly😊

I need to take more pictures of my cat

[slate hawk]

[teal hornet]

That cat is poggers

[umbral scaffold]

Cutest good boy

[teal hornet]

Can all of you stop having cute pets... Im getting jealous

[dire olive]

[umbral scaffold]

Why? You got pug?

[teal hornet]

I just dont have money for a pet :(

[slate hawk]

Pupper

[umbral scaffold]

No money to take care of pet or get a pet?

[teal hornet]

First

[teal hornet]

Wouldnt really be fair to the pet if i cant get the things it needs/wants

[slate hawk]

Great pet vibbing timdx

[grand perch]

My pet is the most metal I dare say

[shadow aurora]

Only photo i could find of my other dog

[slate hawk]

scared

[teal hornet]

Im deathly afraid of spider

[supple stag]

He looks fryable enough

[teal hornet]

so please tell me where you life so i know where not to go...

[umbral scaffold]

His name is Cutiepie i bet

[grand perch]

I'd advise removing the venom glands

[supple stag]

Thank you for the tip

To the KFC deep fryer he goes

[shadow aurora]

Is tarantula venom even potent enough to hurt humans?

[slate hawk]

Large fangs

[grand perch]

Painful cramps and a lame arm for a month or so

[umbral scaffold]

Tired of corpse rations already?

[supple stag]

I like some innovations in me diet

[shadow aurora]

My cat has bigger fangs

[umbral scaffold]

It's more nutritious to eat raw

[supple stag]

Alcohol and corpse rations are getting a bit dull

You gotta eat variated meals

[slate hawk]

At least a cat isn't a creepy spider

[teal hornet]

i agree

[agile forge]

I wish I took a picture of my black cat when he hooked himself onto the wallpaper

[slate hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-catnom-bite-leg-gif-16279618

[umbral scaffold]

That's why i eat orks to get some shrooms into my system

[agile forge]

So I could try to do a spidercat meme

[umbral scaffold]

Beat this parrot i dare ya

[teal hornet]

hes just like me fr

[grand perch]

Own a parrot for home defense

[teal hornet]

Cause thats what the founding pirates intended

[umbral scaffold]

Spider isn't enough????

[grand perch]

If you put it that way

[umbral scaffold]

Just throw it and everyone will run

[supple stag]

I own sentry bot, bighorner, parrot and a dwarf for a home defense

[umbral scaffold]

diggy diggy hole music in distance

[supple stag]

He only accepts the Wind Rose version

[umbral scaffold]

based diggy diggy hole music in distance

[shadow aurora]

Because thats what the petsmart intended

[dire olive]

I own a lootbug for home defense

[umbral scaffold]

Nurgle version of lootbug

[teal hornet]

id run, so i guess it works

[shadow aurora]

Why

[teal hornet]

SCP looking ass

[grand perch]

I'd still pet it

[teal hornet]

IT HAS HUMAN TOES

WHYYY

[shadow aurora]

Scarier than the shellbacks

[umbral scaffold]

I should call my driller to utterly destroy that lootbug and feel good about it for the first time in life

[shadow aurora]

Btw most of us play drg in here right?

[umbral scaffold]

I do

[teal hornet]

Most of us are cultured, yes

[lyric dock]

Only one way to find out

[dire olive]

For context

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/548430/view/4110170432168891297

[lyric dock]

https://tenor.com/view/deep-rock-galactic-rock-and-stone-gif-22047860

[umbral scaffold]

BROTHERS OF THE MINE REJOICE

[shadow aurora]

Has anyone of you ever died to a sandshark?

I dont think i have ever been more than inconvenienced by one

[teal hornet]

I dont think theres anything i havent died to

[shadow aurora]

I forget they exist frequently

[agile forge]

RichaardEB version is better imo

Or was it Johnathan Young

I get them confused

[dire olive]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/560386382170947594/921153675500617758/caption.gif

[shadow aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/mission-control-drg-deep-rock-deep-rock-galactic-rock-n-stone-gif-6328157407016974148

[supple stag]

No idea, but yeah he makes some good shit

[umbral scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/driller-blink-gif-23722040

[odd sparrow]

There had been a bug where sandsharks dont aggro until damaged which was only patched relatively recently

[shadow aurora]

Even than they sorta just grab you carry you around and drop you

Like a mactera grabber but infinitely less dangerous

[umbral scaffold]

My biggest nemesis was always the sand holes

[shadow aurora]

One moment your on one side of the cave the next your on the other side

With broken legs

[umbral scaffold]

Or dead

[pliant sentinel]

SWING SWING SWING WITH ME

[balmy flume]

Imagine if they added Votann/Squats as a class in Darktide :🤣

[umbral scaffold]

RAISE YOUR PICK AND RAISE YOUR VOICE

[pliant sentinel]

SING SING SING WITH ME

[umbral scaffold]

DOWN AND DOWN INTO THE DEEP, WHO KNOWS WHAT WE'LL FIND BENEATH

[pliant sentinel]

DIAMONDS, RUBIES, GOLD, AND MORE

HIDDEN IN THE MOUNTAIN STORE

[umbral scaffold]

BORN UNDERGROUND, SUCKLED FROM THE TEAT OF STONE

[pliant sentinel]

RAISED IN THE DARK, THE SAFETY OF OUR MOUNTAIN HOME

[umbral scaffold]

SKIN MADE OF IRON, STEEL IN OUR BONES

[pliant sentinel]

TO DIG AND DIG MAKES US FREE

[umbral scaffold]

COME ON BROTHERS, SING WITH ME!

[pliant sentinel]

I AM A DWARF AND I'M DIGGING A HOLE

DIGGY DIGGY HOLE

DIGGY DIGGY HOLE

[umbral scaffold]

I AM A DWARF AND I'M DIGGING A HOLE
DIGGY DIGGY HOLE, DIGGING A HOLE

[agile forge]

You're a power bottom at rock bottom but you got company

Wait wrong song

[vague smelt]

Do I keep Decimator III or I use Skullcrusher IV

[agile forge]

Eh, Thrust maybe?

[trim hemlock]

You could replace Decimator with Uncanny

[agile forge]

Oh you have thrust

[trim hemlock]

Thrust is definitely staying, it’s a good blessing

[agile forge]

Uncanny yeah

[pliant sentinel]

ah yes

[agile forge]

I misread lol

[pliant sentinel]

I know the song too

I chuckled

[umbral scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/unacceptable-adventure-time-lemongrab-freakout-armflail-gif-5515437

[agile forge]

Yeah, never thought I'd hear Captain Anderson sing that line

[pliant sentinel]

[dawn garnet]

Thrust+uncanny

i have a mk3 shovel with decimator 4 and its only +80 damage at 10 stacks

[abstract moth]

Guys do you think I should put the 25plus damage on crushers with plasma gun or no?

[dawn garnet]

spending on what else you have on it i would say follow the guide for vet here its really good

[vague smelt]

Show your plasma

[abstract moth]

79 damage, 49 reload speed, 66 stopping power, 79 thermal resistance. 20 plus on ragers, 20 plus enemies without armor. Blessings are lvl 3 8plus power for every shot fired in quick succession stacks 5 times, other is lvl 3 42.5% chance of critical and lowers depending on the heat of the gun

I haven't touched anything yet

[vague smelt]

Post a picture of it instead

[supple stag]

What blessings would be ideal for Accatran Laspistol? Kinda wanna try it out on my boi Vet

[trim hemlock]

Dum-dum and Infernus are solid

[abstract moth]

I would if I was on pc, those are the specs. Just checked the vet guide and I have everything it says tho I dont have those blessings at lvl 4 and should probably change the unarmored enemies damage

[supple stag]

Noted, any other combos worth testing out?

[trim hemlock]

Ghost is OK, everything else typically doesn’t do much at all

[supple stag]

I see, thanks, I've seen some people rocking that particular laspistol and I wonder if it's gonna work nicely

• Using Vraks VII sometimes gets dull, as much as I love that weapon

[abstract moth]

You could go with dumdum and the other blessing that let's you do 40 damage plus in the back if you want to change, I'd use it on a stealth veteran tho

[supple stag]

I use VoC, goes better with my vermintide pilled brain

aka going melee for 90% of my time

[abstract moth]

I mean me too, but we have like 5 slots I have made one for each and some a mix of both to change gameplay style, is nice making different bulids same with weapons, I hope with the new update this will get less frustrating

[tall torrent]

use Uncanny

Uncanny + Thrust is best option

[agile forge]

VoC is the easiest one to win with by far

But the other abilities are really good with the right setup too

New players should just do VoC all the time imo

[supple stag]

VoC reminds me of playing Mercenary in Vermintide 2

it's so nice

[hollow ibex]

Immediate panic button. It’s very nice

[tiny summit]

VoC was a mistake

[hearty panther]

Lowering the cooldown from 45 to 30s definitely was

[hollow ibex]

Nah

[supple stag]

Give it longer cooldown

shrimple

[tall torrent]

35~40s is fine
But seriously both exe stance and infil need less talent tax & better travel nodes

[tiny summit]

Let's make the most braindead for value horde shooter ability. Restore toughness, give overtoughness, team buffing, stagger all enemies in large AoE, short CD, even shorter CD with priority enemies all while not removing yourself from the team dps unlike relic

[hollow ibex]

Yes

[tall torrent]

Exe stance has 2 of the worst travel nodes in this game

[tiny summit]

Eh I like Killzone

[supple stag]

Yeah, exe stance has shitty travel node

and infiltrate can be pricey

[tiny summit]

Though it is funny that VoC gets nearly all the grenades. They should've just committed to the bit that they wanted VoC to be the new default vet and made Surv the middle aura since they wanna juice the middle path so much

[tall torrent]

The dmg boost is good but the execution is horrible

[tiny summit]

Is Infil actually pricey? Or is it just the options are there? I only ever want 1 or 2 nodes. Also VoC having so much value w/o even having the overtoughness

[tall torrent]

Infil’s pricy because the best blitz & aura are left, and the overall most useful talents at the bottom are in left & middle

[tiny summit]

Not really. Maybe the area restriction could be lowered but I find meeting Killzone and Catch a Breath requirements to come easily and often.

[tall torrent]

Catch a breath is good yes
Killzone is executed horribly because using it for breakpoints is miserable

The condition where catch a breath isn’t active is probably where you’re engaged in melee already that u don’t need its effects

[tiny summit]

I see that as more weapon balance is now overly juiced

[tall torrent]

There’re weapons that genuinely benefit from Killzone because +15% dmg is a lot but the execution of Killzone is just horribly inconsistent for breakpoints that it’s never worth 1 point

[supple stag]

I usually run kraks, not shredder frags but eh, I suppose

[lyric dock]

Kraks are nice if you really need Anti-crusher/Bulwark or want something to do big chunk damage to a monster

[vague smelt]

I still believe there's better methods for crushers and bulwarks

[hollow ibex]

imo frag > smoke > krak

[supple stag]

I like them for bulwark clear as I refuse to use bolter or plasma, boss damage to a monster and an opening to attack it

[astral valve]

I usually take krak on my gunner and smoke on my squad leader

It's the best way for my gunner to deal with them, squad leader has plasma and gets along okay

I only recently learned that krak grenades were homing :o

[agile forge]

I've got 2 frag builds and 1 smoke build

I wanna make a krak build, they're fun

Gotta figure out the weapon combo to give me the best excuse to take them

[astral valve]

I have an alternate build of the gunner with shredders in case I'm feeling some kind of way

[agile forge]

My Gunner build is degenerate as fuck though

I have no grenade talents

I've pumped everything into making my CIAG the scariest thing in Tertium

[astral valve]

I think I just have grenade regen for the krak build, they don't need a damage boost at least on heresy

I suspect they won't one-shot things later on

[agile forge]

They never need a damage boost

[agile forge]

You will be happy to know you are wrong :)

[astral valve]

Sweet now I never have to take that talent lol