veteran-class

[north pebble]

perfect, i have that on my inventory. i'll test it out

[old socket]

ah shit seems like I need Brutal Momentum

[agile forge]

Oof, got my shovel ready to go now and realised I don't have Uncanny at all

[vernal harbor]

yeah dumpin this mag

https://tenor.com/view/predator-jungle-shooting-arnold-schwarzenegger-forest-gif-24074563

[fresh saddle]

weight of fire is same thing as Onslaught, just got new name

[terse idol]

some folks dooo say it 😌

it's maybe abit more relevant for automatic wepaons but uuhh

I wouldn't ever damage dump

[austere mica]

What are good blessings for a Vet knife?

[bitter turtle]

there's two guides in the pins at this point

tldr

[austere mica]

Right

[bitter turtle]

uncanny + precog/riposte

[austere mica]

forgot that had blessings

[bitter turtle]

uncanny + mercy kill if you're willing to drop points into serrated blade

[austere mica]

I even have the guide downloaded I just forgot it mentioned blessings at any point

[bitter turtle]

i mentioned this to path and he said he would change it i think but also keep in mind knife can basically run any semi-decent perk and it doesnt really matter

actually maniac is the one that i think is the least impactful out of the usable ones but yeah

dont think it affects anything except dreg rager

[hollow ibex]

some specialists have maniac iirc 🤔

[bitter turtle]

yes

im saying that it doesnt change their bps

knife heavies oneshot flamers regardless

and mutants take 2

its not close enough that maniac pushes it to 1

[tall torrent]

Uncanny strike (mandatory)
Mercy killer
Precognition
Riposte

[tall torrent]

Lemme send u the newest one actually

[fast sundial]

hadron please

i'm trying to make an unpower sword and you give me this

[hollow ibex]

suffering from success

could just replace the PC4 👍

[fast sundial]

i mean, it could also end up being an upgrade over my actual power sword

the final upgrade will tell

[hollow ibex]

don't take this suggestion seriously

[fast sundial]

this is the current state

[hollow ibex]

oof good luck

[tall torrent]

That’s almost bricked

[agile forge]

Bromentum or Sunder and it's a god

Otherwise at least it's a PC4 rip

[vague smelt]

Blergh

[supple stag]

I love this thing

[final stag]

I made a gunner (plasma) build using exe and I was surprised with the tips to just fire uncharged

Get hot tier 4 smacks
I also have the brittleness from hits so I'm not sure if that's good or not

And the tips with the power sword 6 fjjdjd
I was just doing a kill team gunner build

Wouldn't use it with VoC because that's just simply too meta fnnfn

[supple stag]

VoC my beloved

Melee vet goes nuts

[final stag]

Melee vet goes crazy

[fast sundial]

behold

[final stag]

My Rashad melee vet makes zealots look like chumps

[fast sundial]

now i can rip rampage 4

the most promising candidate so far

it's not slaughterer 4 but we shall see

[junior needle]

Until they also start using the busted melee

[final stag]

To be fair I haven't met a zealot who has outpaced me yet.

And whenever I am not playing melee vet there's a zealot that shows up that makes me be like
I wish I had my melee vet to see If I could keep up but noooo I'm using a support build or sumn

[junior needle]

Knife zealots, even with the melee boosts, can't output the kind of clear caxes can do

Which is the majority of damage on the scoreboard

Chaffe mulching

Melee damage that is

[final stag]

The evis that is just light spam looks quite busted
I just don't like how the heavies are positioned but I'm willing my zealot could mulch with it

[junior needle]

the 15

[final stag]

The 15 yeah. Light spam evis

[junior needle]

The heavies are for hard targets

With rev

[final stag]

It's like the exe sword I know

Except it's not on mercenary it's on zealot so it feels slow but ramps up.

[austere pine]

does this talent work on ranged?

[serene bough]

yes but generally not worth it

[austere pine]

10% armor pen for free?

[serene bough]

depends on your build and how many points you got to blow but yeah in that row i'd rather take ogryn/monstro damage

[tall torrent]

Alr harvest power cycler 4

[tall torrent]

Yes
But it’s very dependant on the weapons u use

[fast sundial]

no (not yet)

[tall torrent]

Power sword wants brutal momentum / sunder

Besides power cycler

Rampage and slaughterer are a tier below those 2

[lyric dock]

Finally a Proper +3 stamina

[fast sundial]

i'm still constructing the unpower sword

[tall torrent]

[supple stag]

Let her cook

I'll be powering for her

[fast sundial]

the current selection

[serene bough]

whats the BiS for unpowered sword

[fast sundial]

3 of them have wrath (ugh)
one has power cycler III (no)

one has slaughterer III

the most promising current candidate

i can only assume the best for unpower sword would be slaughterer rampage

using a grey power sword would be a poor meme

so i have to make it spicy

unfortunately i am super bottlenecked on plasteel

[serene bough]

have some of mine

just wasted 8k trying to farm T4 riposte

[supple stag]

[fast sundial]

i really wish the crafting system was a little less asinine so i can make my abominations in peace

[supple stag]

Verminitde had it better

[fast sundial]

Yes

[supple stag]

even though it's still grindy

[fast sundial]

weave crafting would have been ideal

[serene bough]

hopefully it gets addressed soon as they've already mentioned they're going to rework the RNG

[supple stag]

at least you can freely adjust your armament

[fast sundial]

make diamantine good for something

make diamantine unlock weapon slots so you can fully customize things

[tall torrent]

on what weapon

[fast sundial]

or just.. allow full customization, period

[serene bough]

combat knife

[fast sundial]

that would be preferable

[serene bough]

its the only knife blessing I dont have

[tall torrent]

just recently completed collecting all blessings for all veteran-available melee weapons

(yes, all tiers)

[serene bough]

theres a strategy for farming blessings?

[supple stag]

uhh, be lucky

[tall torrent]

well once u get to like last 3 remaining blessings for a weapon type it's just a matter of time & luck

[fast sundial]

to be fair though, the performance difference between a grey weapon with 300 power and a juiced up red is not nearly as big as the difference between a best-in-slot perfect crafted power sword and a grey one

another rat game W

[supple stag]

It keeps collecting W, what can I tell ya

[tall torrent]

I have 14 blessings yet collected for veteran-available ranged weapons and almost half of them are from the autopistol

[serene bough]

have no interest in T1 or T2

[fast sundial]

except for necromancer patch (rare rat game L)

[serene bough]

but now at 10k plasteel gone

[sinful jacinth]

Just do Damnations or higher and get lucky with a gold weapon. And check melk everyday to cannibalize weapons with blessings 4.

[supple stag]

We don't talk about necromancers

[tall torrent]

I got them just for the sake of getting them

[sinful jacinth]

Or very expensively craft gear to gold and get lucky.

[fast sundial]

what about neck romancers

🧛🏻

[serene bough]

i should check my inventory to see if i have any grabbale T4 blessings

[supple stag]

Kill

[serene bough]

my inventory is such a neglected mess of weapons

[supple stag]

My body is a machine that turns filth into doom

[sinful jacinth]

Easy way to clear everything out is; everything under base 365 needs to go.

[fast sundial]

ah, but sometimes the weirdest bases make for the best meme weapons

[sinful jacinth]

Ofc. But, those are just like the 1% weird cases.

[fast sundial]

like the sharp illisi of leg paralysis https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046914150363844779/1218292546292416673/image.png?ex=66199759&is=66072259&hm=3a3346c44632327990c7460e3b18cefd60ed7eb0c69a45a1b5e924b3c2f9bf40&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=439&height=675

packs a punch but you won't be moving anywhere anytime soon

[sinful jacinth]

That give off "come to me bitches" vibe.

[serene bough]

i found some stray T4s in my inventory

but no riposte

[fast sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/ho-anime-approach-gif-14775857

[sinful jacinth]

All in do time young one.

[serene bough]

maybe when i reengage with this sy stem next month ill get it

not BiS but another 550 for the backpack

[fast sundial]

220% rending

[lyric dock]

When you rend so hard the enemy armor type is now "bone"

Unarmored for crushers

[dusky flare]

technically bone would be a tougher armour than flesh

[limber lance]

been playing with this, been alot of fun, chain sword with revolver or braced mkVIII

[north pebble]

thanks! I was looking for it didn't notice it was the same thing

[umbral scaffold]

what are the devs smoking

swear auric maelstrom has been hourglass all day

[austere mica]

I've joined 3 heresy matches just to try and get a feel for a dumb build and every single one has been high int shocktroop

We wiped within 5 minutes every time

2/3 of my deaths are barrels

[final stag]

Hi int shock troop on heresy is the Canon way to play as most players are average and get killed a lot kfjdjd

[hollow ibex]

you really shouldn't be dying to barrels unless you have a teammate actively griefing

[sinful jacinth]

It happens more then you think. People just shooting in the direction of the horde without looking where the barrels are.

[final stag]

I mean I wouldn't say 2/3rds of my deaths are barrel however cause that Is also bad positioning on your part

If I died like twice from barrels in one night I will actively avoid them for the rest of the night

[hollow ibex]

yeah i mean your teammates shouldn't shoot barrels

but also don't trust your teammates

[final stag]

Unless the barrel is clear
Don't shoot towards it. And for goodness sake don't run towards a barrel if you hear a voiceline saying the barrel is aboutta bo o m))

[last parcel]

yeah but if i run at the barrel i can fly

chess make

[final stag]

Truth

Speed run strat

[dense tartan]

No one cares man.

[radiant chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-jackson-smooth-criminal-annie-are-you-ok-80s-music-gif-18918055

[rigid pilot]

They got struck by

[radiant chasm]

They got hit by

[rigid pilot]

A smooth criminal

[last parcel]

the voices

[dreamy spade]

https://tenor.com/view/the-voices-meme-cat-gif-23917781

I lowkey wanna use graia instead of columnis because it has a better mortis skin

[late hatch]

The graia isnt much worse than the c5 I think

[trim hemlock]

@wanton dawn , does Marksman do anything remotely relevant on that Bolter build of yours?

[wanton dawn]

ciag is best iag and agri brauto is best braced

[rigid pilot]

Graia braced

[wanton dawn]

Idk, I am experimenting with it

[trim hemlock]

We just played together by the way, I was the Ripper Ogryn

[wanton dawn]

Yeah, I realize

Probably not much cuz I don't fish for weakspot at all and the scoreboard shows that

[last parcel]

haha funny boss dmg number

[wanton dawn]

core build is this

I usually take redirect fire and enhanced target priority

[agile forge]

I gotta make myself a Bolter build

BTW, when do I want to use the right leg of Veteran? And what do I sacrifice from the other legs?

[rigid pilot]

I only use right leg for onslaught ciag or melee vet

[dreamy spade]

Bro darktide just made me bluescreen

[agile forge]

Funny thing, happened to me and my gf simultaneously once

Game crashed us both out in same instant

And my PC also locked up (hers was fine)

[wanton dawn]

This is the agri brauto build I stole from someone

[agile forge]

Weapon specialist + e stance seems kinda wild to combine

[wanton dawn]

well, if you think about it it makes sense on brauto

[dreamy spade]

Especially since you can only hold 1 melee specialist

[wanton dawn]

the short answer is that agri brauto, as a ranged, does not benefit a lot from other talent so you go for melee upgrade instead

So it is a ranged build with great melee perf

[iron marten]

gonna yoink this

[wanton dawn]

also brauto is one of the best weapon to benefit from weapon specialist increased attack speed on ranged

The suppression node in the middle is an experimentation of mine. I think it is neat

[sharp ember]

yes-yes,
suppress a reaper with 3 agri brauto bullets, and stunlock groaner hordes

[dreamy spade]

Stability is just recoil right?

[dark wren]

Basically, yes

[dreamy spade]

...

[agile forge]

I mean it works

Tbh i can see D strike doing just fine but I would prefer savage sweep

[umbral scaffold]

hey so a quick question a frend sad verteran is usless ( i play veteran its my main but im still new ) is taht true is there a huge difrent betewn the classes ?

[agile forge]

ACAB. All Classes Are Beautiful.

Veteran had a brief period where it was a little bit weak outside of a few overpowered exclusives. We are well out of those days now.

Voice of Command and Survivalist's Aura are two of the strongest things in the game. Also plasma guns and power swords (especially the 6)

No other class can bring them

You can still be horrifically strong even without those OP standouts too

Basically your friend doesn't know shit lmao

[umbral scaffold]

oh ok so therse like no best op class?

[somber axle]

Strength depends more on your build than your class. The talents you choose, weapons you bring, blessings/perks on the weapons, etc. and if you go to Psyker chat you'll find Psykers and a Zealot main talking about how Vet is so strong

Grass is always greener on the other side

[swift sand]

?? whats wrong with plasma lol

[somber axle]

The OP class is whatever class you like when it gets the weapon you want for your talent set up

[agile forge]

Sometimes it is so strong when played well, it gives the others nothing to do

It's a complaint about its strength, not its weakness

I have been on both sides of that (as well as games which have actually provided threat profiles that a plasma couldn't just rapidly solo with ease)

[agile forge]

Kinda. I play all classes at 30, I wouldn't say any are completely OP in a relative sense.

[umbral scaffold]

gotta say in my experince missons are ehter easy and boring or a nightmare of stress

[agile forge]

What difficulty

[umbral scaffold]

5

i feel its a big coinflip on waht teamets i get

[agile forge]

Try doing the Auric 5s

[agile forge]

So much this

Also the director's mood on any given mission

Sometimes you get a wargamer pro AI

Sometimes you get a solar powered calculator, at night.

There's been games where I've had a good team and we've gotten crunched in the first room

[umbral scaffold]

btw wahts my role as a veteran i had people complain i cant melt bosses

[fast sundial]

not particularly enjoyable to be around

[terse idol]

Uh kill specialists and elites basically

Whoever said you weren't able to melt bosses has no idea what they're talking abiyr

Unless you're running a specific build to kill bosses that's not really your job

[wanton dawn]

I have a deep hatred of scoreboard-padding kickback ogryn

[umbral scaffold]

oh ok

[fast sundial]

i am always very disappointed when i see that not even the ogryns engage in melee

[junior needle]

As opposed to scoreboard padding plasma enjoyers

[agile forge]

It Depends^tm

Your weapons and build define your role

[wanton dawn]

Implying you need to play suboptimally to pad your scoreboard with plasma

[agile forge]

My plasma build is a versatile everything

[junior needle]

Charge shots into crowds without elites/specials for maximum cleave and damage padding

[agile forge]

My CIAG build is much weaker in melee and has worse grenades, but shreds absolutely everything with the gun

[wanton dawn]

At least the plasma enjoyer will never critizice your for not bringing ammo aura

[agile forge]

And I'm trying to build a shovel/hellbore build that will be hopefully another strong generalist

[woeful ibex]

I thought plasma is meta for these types of people

Unless its changed again?

[wanton dawn]

They are mad because they don't like ppl bringing overpowered stuff

[woeful ibex]

oh

[wanton dawn]

Once upon a time someone left cuz he though I was cheating with hellbore. Same energy

[woeful ibex]

Personally just bring any gear you enjoy using

Just have fun but please kill bombers

fuck em

[tame lodge]

Yes, prioritize bombers and flamers ASAP

[agile forge]

Trappers up there too

Gunners and snipers are 1b priority

[loud yoke]

Definitely take out Trappers and bombers.

[agile forge]

Area denial is what kills most teams

You get pinned into a smaller and smaller space and eventually you get snuffed out

[loud yoke]

I have been pinned a few times but I use voice of command to help get out that trouble if I can

[somber axle]

You can build to melt bosses pretty effectively with certain talent set ups and weapons. Vet is a very versatile class in general though. You can kinda do anything and everything. Certain Zealot builds and certain Psyker builds will melt bosses faster imo but the gap isn't as huge as some people will say. Plus Vet builds in general are best at sniping specials and elites. Ask a Gunlugger Ogryn how they feel about trying to fight snipers across the map. Or a Purgatus Brain Burst Psyker how they feel about rooms full of shooters and gunners. Don't ask Knife Zealots anything though. 50/50 chance the Knife Zealot in the squad is either the most unkillable bastard you'll ever meet or they're going to sprint off to die alone halfway across the map in a trapper net/hound pounce. Every class build has strengths and weaknesses. If someone mains another class and says Vet is weak because it felt weak when they played it, it's a skill issue

Your role is whatever you want it to be but by default you take care of specials/elites very well

[loud yoke]

I enjoy playing as a vet myself. Once I get it to level 30 I may make another character not sure what though.

[frank monolith]

https://tenor.com/view/neco-arc-neco-arc-tsukihime-flowers-gif-4678582649323344599

[somber axle]

I have all classes at 30. They're all really fun. I have a funny Gunker build that lets me sprint in and out of hordes, packs of Crushers/Maulers while stabbing at heads and still does amazing boss damage when I pull out the CIAG and hit Scyer's Gaze. Gunlugger Ogryn feels amazing for just mowing down the crowd of 15 Ragers the AI director decided to throw at the squad. Evis 15 Zealot with charge, perfect strike and shred with a build for crit stacking is hilarious and feels borderline invincible sometimes while still being able to consistently 1HKO Crushers

If any of those sounded fun, I recommend trying them

All of the classes get very silly with certain builds

[frank monolith]

you need to experience the knife zealot the rush it gives you is insane then you get netted and you feel like shit, if melee isnt your forte you can try gun pysker

[somber axle]

Knife Zealot is an insane high

Truly unkillable rat hours when you master it

[agile forge]

Tbh gun psyker melees more than other psykers

[somber axle]

Yeah it does

[agile forge]

If you really hate melee play purgatus or trauma psyker

[somber axle]

If you want a more range focused Psyker grab a staff instead

[frank monolith]

allows you to do sutff like this https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxdjnrxOuHpiVet26HjYOAPYztGzzYTkOK?si=5rKdyEVX_GNfftXx

[agile forge]

You still have to do it a little

But much less than the othe staves and guns

[loud yoke]

I will certainly give it ago

[somber axle]

Zealot is so fast paced I love it

[agile forge]

Unless you bring a hammer lol

[hearty panther]

https://clips.twitch.tv/InventiveSecretiveDragonfruitPipeHype-gzWMP9hcEaF38Kxt

[tame lodge]

It becomes a heavy hitter instead of a past paced zealot

You're about to hit the fattest bonk and the target dies right before you hit it

The ragdolls are good wish they would fly a little longer

[iron marten]

finally got to 100k lol

[woeful ibex]

oh jesus

[agile forge]

Or a poxwalker heroically sacrifices themselves

[woeful ibex]

I barely reached 20k

[iron marten]

yeah, I was gonna call it a night then I saw I had like 99,600, so I just said fuck it, one more game lol

[idle swallow]

wake me up when the update is out I'm still helldiving

[tame lodge]

I'll probably forget to wake him up

[slow spade]

Vegemite will never be seen again

[somber axle]

I haven't tried hammer on Zealot yet tbh and it's one of the builds I want to try when I can make a good hammer for it

[lyric dock]

Now spend it on watching Hadron brick weapons

[astral valve]

Hammer made me angry

I wanted to throw it into the street, I don't know if it was bad or I was (probably the latter)

[lyric dock]

The hammer is really powerful when played right

It's the perfect "You see that asshole there. I'm gonna kill it"

[vague smelt]

Question

What is Voley Fire exactly

[lyric dock]

Monsters? Bonk!
Deamonhost? Bonk!
Bad date? Bonk!

[agile forge]

Basic version of E stance

[astral valve]

I wanted it to do big sweeps to clear trash and it just wasn't doing it how I wanted

I think I was expecting the wrong thing, and also bad

[lyric dock]

E-stance before the upgrade

[agile forge]

If you are trying to do a penance just take E stance

[vague smelt]

Can I still use E stance to get Be Methodical Penace

[agile forge]

They do, but they have target caps for damage

[lyric dock]

Yes

Unless it got borked....again

[agile forge]

If it says use volley fire to do whatever, then yes

[vague smelt]

To keep it running for more than 5s I must use Relentless right?

[agile forge]

They should at least knock everything down. They are the slowest horde clear, but they are still safe

[astral valve]

Oh hey I just got that penance last night on accident

[agile forge]

Whatever the modifier is that extends the duration. Also take counterfire.

E Stance is terrible without it tbf

[astral valve]

The duration modifier is sick

[agile forge]

5 second duration vs basically endless duration

[lyric dock]

Endless duration as long as you don't get

• Body blocked
• Kill stolen
• Ran out of enemies to shoot

[agile forge]

True that

[astral valve]

You have to manage your shots/reloading a bit and hope an ogryn doesn't wander by lol

But otherwise it's great

[agile forge]

Press F = summon your team to stand directly in front of you

[astral valve]

lmao

[agile forge]

Especially since the best E stance weapons have bad cleave

[lyric dock]

You forget the mention the hidden modifier if increase chance of Ogryn walking in front of you and giving you a good view of his rear end

[agile forge]

Like CIAG

It can't penetrate friendlies at all

At least you can penetrate enemies via killing the fuckers

Allies don't have the decency to die and let you shoot through them

[astral valve]

Popping it and melting a room full of yellow is super satisfying
Payback for all those times ranged were being extra obnoxious

[lyric dock]

I love seeing a big chain of elites I can pop heads with my Las pistol, but a Zealot or Ogryn jumps in and eats all my shots

[astral valve]

I'm pretty bad with spacial awareness as an ogryn :/

[lyric dock]

I try to be mindful of other players as Ogryn

[astral valve]

It's easy to get carried away trying to help all the little ones

[tame lodge]

cough cough

[agile forge]

CIAG with ES, MF, Deadshot is a hell of a power trip

[vague smelt]

What's a good weapon to keep Voley Fire up for long time

[slate hawk]

Plasma gun, but I'm a bit bias

Unless you have to reload

[woeful ibex]

Autoguns

Recon Lasguns can work too

Anything with good Rate of Fire would do

[slate hawk]

Wait, I'm dumb volley fire is a blessing not executioners stance

[agile forge]

CIAG is godly with it. It benefits from every part of E stance

[gray finch]

infantry lasguns

[agile forge]

Rapid fire, not breakpointy, so variable damage buff is always good

Great headshot modifier to benefit from the weakspot bonus

Limited by recoil, which E stance drastically improves

Not suppression immune, which E stance fixes

Great at killing weak shooters, which E stance needs to maintain

[vague smelt]

Hmm I have one maybe I should learn to burst instead to empty the mag in one voley

[agile forge]

I mean magdump when you need to

[vague smelt]

Well I need to last 20s per voley

[agile forge]

Take it to Magistrati Oubliette

Enjoy the corridors

You can reload and then kill another target to maintain too

[astral valve]

Just try to be aware of when you're running low on your clip so you can reload immediately after a kill to keep the buff going easier

[agile forge]

Try this absolute heretical bullshit https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9bb44ec8-a008-402f-b892-fda01b7a753f

[astral valve]

Running out halfway through a volley and missing the kill is how the timer runs out :(

[agile forge]

This is my favourite veteran build, with a power sword 6 and CIAG

2 stamina curios

It is hilariously fragile

You will die if you get stuck into a small room horde fight

Guaranteed

But you fucking murder elites, specials, shooters, bosses

You don't even have grenade regen though lol

[lyric dock]

Okay Hadron

Don't know what I did to get on your good graces today

But we take those

Just need to fix the perks.....Once I have the Plasteel to do it

[astral valve]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9bb46120-d707-45b3-9b6b-1e4a91972a80 is my current Executioner's Stance vet

I've never used a build guide, this is sort of what I came up with that I like/works

My curios need work :F

[tiny summit]

Questionable choices for a brauto

[astral valve]

Which parts suck

[hollow ibex]

Oof grats

[astral valve]

Actually now that I look at it I already want to make changes
This always happens with this stupid game

[tall torrent]

This could use a ton of changes

[wanton dawn]

This is my recommendation for agri brauto exe stance

brauto has crap finesse

[tiny summit]

Going in on weakspot and finesse bonuses for brautos generally isn't the best. I also believe suppression immunity doesn't help too much when the talent is more important on making sure you're not suppressed for 1 taps with certain weapons. Leaving tactical awareness is so much uptime of Exe gone. Rending on MF is bad because it's only at 10 stacks and you can get 10% rending in the middle tree. Tinkerer on kraks usually feels like overkill to me.

[vague smelt]

Meanwhile she just bricked me 4 VII shovels today

[lyric dock]

Just need to fix the perks and this is perfect

[agile forge]

I have bricked about 10 of those

[lyric dock]

Pain

[vague smelt]

Today in a row?

[agile forge]

Before I finally got a good one, and then discovered I don't have any ranks of Uncanny in my inventory at all

[agile forge]

Across the last week or so since I started trying to build one

[lyric dock]

There we go

[vague smelt]

That looks perfect

Gimme

Mine only has Bro III and PC III

[lyric dock]

I just gotten really fucking lucky rolling this sword as a "Know what. let's ball"

[somber axle]

Tinkerer on Kraks is only for the silly meme of twin blast RNG gambling to instagib monstrosities and even that's not funny enough to make it worth imo

Accidentally lobbing extra Kraks with extra damage on a Burgle, Chaos Spawn or Plogryn to delete it is funny but too much RNG banking on twin blast giving the extra nade

[tiny summit]

That's why it's infinitely more funny with smokes twinned blast

[somber axle]

Truly the silliest nade build

[lyric dock]

God damn 0.o

[lyric dock]

Worth noting. I have 0 melee boosting skills

[somber axle]

As much of a meme smokes are, I'm almost starting to believe they're good in niche moments. I've seen some very good Vets use them lately to surprising effect

[wanton dawn]

Technically you haven't seen much

[serene bough]

smokes arent bad, its just that deleting an entire room with shredder frags is far better

[radiant chasm]

100% agree on everything you say except tinkerer is great if you grab nearly every nade talent and you just explode monstros

[somber axle]

AYYY

[lyric dock]

Smokes are decent when used well. It's basically "Cover on demand" which can help if there's a such number of shooters or need to move to a better position

[radiant chasm]

The funny is worth it

[somber axle]

I want to agree but tbh I use bleed nades on Vet so much that I am awful at actually landing Krak and it is 100% a skill issue on my part. It would be funnier for me if I was not a clown

[somber axle]

I've seen a Vet use it to save a Purgatus Psyker who decided to walk out into the open when a large number of gunners aggro'd and narrowly saved them from being swiss cheese

[tiny summit]

Messes with a lot of the AI. If you throw smokes on top of the team as a hound wave comes, they all just run around not pouncing anyone

[somber axle]

Really?? I've never noticed that but it sounds funny

I need to try smokes eventually

[tall torrent]

Smokes mess with enemies that need lock-on to start their attacks

[somber axle]

Is it worth taking Tinkerer or nade regen with smokes?

Tbh I don't even know what Tinkerer does to smoke grenades off of the top of my head just because I never use them

[somber axle]

I appreciate the info, thanks!

[tall torrent]

Tinkerer, yes, 30s smoke is surprisingly useful

Nade regen, I think if you take tinkerer, u only need stockpile

You don’t rly use it enough to require demo team unlike frags

[somber axle]

I'll have to play around with a new talent set up using smokes when I get home but that makes sense. Bleed nades feel like they're best used to keep 1 min regen ticking even just for extra horde control or to stagger bigger threats getting too close

[tall torrent]

30s smoke basically means you can safe carry first hack event in comms-plex and chasm logistratum

[somber axle]

30 sec smoke sounds funny

[tall torrent]

Frags are the best overall that’s true

But I unironically think for most people

Frag > smoke > krak

Treat it more like ninja smoke bomb than CSGO smoke lineup

And you’ll have a ton more success with it

[astral valve]

Nice, thanks for taking the time to write up some feedback. It probably works well enough in part because I play mostly on Heresy, not every choice had a specific strategy behind it. Some do though, like weak spot damage + MF + ES seems to really do a number on bosses. Suppression Immunity feels useful even if I'm doing some controlled bursts instead of single taps. I would probably get slaughtered in Auric though

[somber axle]

I rate Krak pretty low just because most of my builds can take care of Crushers fine so krak feels too niche for anything other than deleting the Oops All Crushers moment spawning when the AI director is feeling spicy

[astral valve]

I have a second Executioner's Stance spec that goes more to the middle tree but nothing that reaches way over to Weapon Specialist

This build felt underpowered for bigguns so the enhanced krak grenade is my safety blanket

[tall torrent]

Braced autoguns generally have low finesse (low bonus dmg from weakspot & crit) which makes marksman focus & precision strikes not work as great as they could have

[tiny summit]

Precision Strikes is ok since it'll still benefit melee and their only real other option is deadshot.

[tall torrent]

Yea pretty much

@astral valve

[tiny summit]

I would recommend dropping suppression immunity because I'm pretty sure your accuracy with brautos is very minimally impacted when suppressed

[somber axle]

I'd also recommend trying the Onslaught blessing on the bottom right side of the talent tree with a Brauto

The stacking brittleness makes it very effective on enemy armour iirc even without the 10% rending down the middle tree

Also lets you grab Duck and Dive to help with Stam regen during fights or Reciprocity for stacking crit on dodge which helps when bobbing and weaving whether you're dealing with a Horde or dodging shots from snipers/gunners/standard shooters

Extra stam to help with pushes/blocks is always nice

Avoid fat dodges easier

[wanton dawn]

Stam does not affect dodge

Dodge stop stam regen. Thats all

[somber axle]

It does not, but having extra Stam to do a shove or a block buys time for you to get your dodges back

[hollow ibex]

Onslaught isn’t worth unless you’re going for the melee keystone

[somber axle]

Alternating dodges and shoves helps avoid fat dodges in high pressure moments

Duck and Dive giving you back a chunk of Stam has been very useful imo but it ends up depending on playstyle for sure

[wanton dawn]

I use dnd solely if i have deadshot

Stripped is funny sometimes too

[somber axle]

Very useful with Deadshot builds

[somber axle]

Depends on the weapon imo. Something like a Columbus Brauto fires so fast it stacks Onslaught very well to soften up Monstrosities, Crushers and Maulers plus helps a little bit on killing everything too. I haven't really done in depth testing on all the Brautos with and without Onslaught to say for certain but it has always felt like a good pick for the fast firing automatics in my experience whether running IAGs, brautos or even a funny Recon 6 Deadshot build

I kinda wonder how much Onslaught changes time to kill on heavier targets

[hollow ibex]

It can be good with the right guns but the talent point tax is real

And oftentimes just makes it not worth

[wanton dawn]

The problem with onslaught is about talent eco and ttk on target you dont want to shoot

Consider that a crusher can be killed with 3 hit from a ps6 pc4, 1 cycle with little to no investment

If your ranged is weak against carapace, you have great anti-armor on your melees

[somber axle]

The talent eco comment is a fair criticism. 4 points for Onslaught is a big ask depending on the build but since Brautos don't have good finesse you're probably not dipping too deep into the left tree beyond +30% ammo and elite damage so either you hit Focus Target down middle or Weapon Specialist and in either case it feels like the points to spare are worth

PS6 PC4 kills Crushers easy yeah but not everyone is running it or even has it

[wanton dawn]

You'll get more by improving your melee if you go ws

Desperado and 10% weapon speed ?

[somber axle]

Brauto with the weapon speed is funny

[wanton dawn]

Onslaught lead to nothing

I posted my brauto build earlier

Its ws+exe stance

[somber axle]

Onslaught has felt like it noticeably changes TTK on Maulers and Monstrosities and makes Crushers a worthwhile target for shooting but that's only been my thoughts with it and haven't noticed ammo concerns when firing on heavier targets

It would be funny to see the difference on Brauto with and without Onslaught against a group of Flak Ragers

[wanton dawn]

Oh, i can showcast it

When i get back to computer

[somber axle]

I'm at work for another 3 hours so I cannot test it until later today

[wanton dawn]

So i am pretty sure it will be "meh"

[somber axle]

If it's been a placebo in my brain all this time it'll be really funny

[wanton dawn]

For some reason making the video is proving difficult. I have a lot of cdr bug and now the game has crash for some reason

Let's continue

LOL, changing talent while under the effect of the cdr stim make the game crash in the psy

[somber axle]

That's weird

Can't wait for the Fatshark April Fools prank of breaking the game

[wanton dawn]

Here ya go

I shot 4 less bullets with onslaught on

34 vs 30

And it varies depending on random crit or weakspot

also arm shot

The problem is simple: on flak agri brauto already has a 90% mod close range.

[somber axle]

Ooo that's good to see

Not as effective on flak ragers as I thought

[wanton dawn]

It does give you between 10 and 15% more damage

after 4 shot

But it has diminishing return with other damage buff

[somber axle]

Maybe becomes funny with monstrosities but probably not worth the point investment just for that

[wanton dawn]

because the less bullet you shot, the less effective it becomes

[somber axle]

In my brain fast shoot weapon + stack brittleness felt like good synergy but yeah you're right

[tall torrent]

Yea onslaught is only ever noticeably relevant for shooting crushers

It’s a huge point sink for very small returns for most weapons

[somber axle]

It doesn't make a difference on damage for monstrosities?

I thought for sure that even if you're firing on a Plogryn, Burgle or Chaos Spawn alone it's a good talent to save ammo by softening it up and gets increasingly more powerful when your team is putting damage into the target too for bumping their damage

Though it definitely feels funny for shooting at Crushers

[tall torrent]

well most rapid-fire weapons don't have bad unyielding modifiers

so yea

[somber axle]

Hmm

I must look at it closer when I am home

[junior needle]

Yeah onslaught doesn't do much for most automatics outside of crushers

The 6d and the autopistol are the only ones that come to mind with scuffed enough modifiers to one or more types (and high enough fire rate)

[somber axle]

I don't touch the autopistol tbh but I do love the Recon 6 so maybe that explains my bias to Onslaught

[junior needle]

Maybe in about 10 months fatshark will finally do a balance patch

[somber axle]

Still waiting on the announcement they promised before the end of last month

😩

New month, New wait

[hollow ibex]

More recon las nerfs

[last parcel]

thevoices

[somber axle]

Let them add an actual clown costume to the shop for me to buy while I use the Recon 6 after more nerfs

Can't stop, won't stop

[hollow ibex]

And the clown costume would be sold as a premium cosmetic because it’s not just a recolor

[low apex]

CIAG waiting to join its brother Autopistol in the afterlife kek

Plasma is probably more unhealthy for the game than CIAG but they're both eating nerfs for sure

[hollow ibex]

Knowing fatshart it’s a total crapshoot whether they nerf or buff plasma and ciag

[tiny summit]

Next update:
deleted shredder pistol
another recon nerf

[somber axle]

I can see it now

"We noticed players are spamming plasma but not using the charged shot. Charged shot damage has been increased up to 50% and we've increased charge shot cleave to incentivize players to utilize it more."

[hollow ibex]

One step forward, two steps back. I like it. You should work for them if you don’t already

[somber axle]

LMFAO no I am a clown but that's not my circus

[low apex]

Honestly if they nerfed tap fire and buffed charge it wouldnt be the worst thing in the world

I still think that the plasma shouldnt pierce/knock away shields without charging either but 🤷🏿‍♂️

[vague smelt]

Or just buff the bad weapons

That works too

Because something is broken doesn't mean it's fun

[somber axle]

If I had to give a real guess I think they may increase the delay between uncharged shots to make it slower and leave everything else untouched

[vague smelt]

Plasma Gun is just click big red dots

[somber axle]

Tiny baby nerf that will make the gun feel worse but will not really change it

[vague smelt]

Fatshark will either destroy the weapon or ignore it

[low apex]

I mean I agree bad weapons need buffs, but there's no shot that weapons should be at the level of plasma and ciag

[white minnow]

the good weapons are the majority so it's only a few that really need to be buff and at this point a comprehensive rebalance is needed

[white minnow]

no

fatshark has rumbled and tumbled the recons

[tall torrent]

Nerf uncharged cleave
Nerf uncharged ammo consumption

Buff charged ammo consumption

Simple rly

[old quail]

fatshark has actually been fairly lenient in a lot of nerfs

[white minnow]

but you can also look at other nerfs and see that those weapons weren't really affected

e.g., voidstrike and assail nerfs

still really good weapons

[old quail]

sometimes blessings are carrying a weapon and once theyre nerfed the weapon just dies

like p13 bolter/autopistol (bolter was buffed but autopistol wasnt)

[somber axle]

Yeah but will Fatshark think it is simple? I have no idea what is going on in their heads

[low apex]

Flamer/Bolter/Autopistol were overnerfed pretty bad tbf yeah

[white minnow]

no

[old quail]

flamer was not

[white minnow]

autopistol sure

flamer and bolter are still fine weapons

[old quail]

bolter had its power shifted more to finesse and some baseline damage/adm bumps

[somber axle]

Boltgun does still feel pretty good tbh

[tall torrent]

They haven’t done any weird balance changes in a while

[low apex]

Boltgun is good as long as you dont magdump

[old quail]

flamer does some absolutely absurd shit into elite swarms, its just not a weapon you get the most value out of by using all the ammo on poxwalkers

(it also takes deceptively little ammo to kill trash)

[somber axle]

What's the trick with Flamer again

[old quail]

for carapace enemies you chastise once you've got them to max burn stacks

which is just crushers

[low apex]

chastise rending gaming 🎵

[somber axle]

There it is

[old quail]

for all else the flamer just melts them with a full tank, but the value of the ammo scales with how much stuff you can hit

[somber axle]

Thanks!

[white minnow]

my flamer propaganda https://streamable.com/b4sq6q

https://streamable.com/jcsx2w

[low apex]

bro is playing on the ps2 i love that

[white minnow]

ultrathin laptop gaming

[somber axle]

Flamer my beloved

[vague smelt]

This ain't TF2 get yo B4nny config outta here

[winter grove]

So no patch?

[vague smelt]

Not even an announcement

[tall torrent]

today is holiday I believe

at earliest, tmr

doubt it tho

they still have to drop at least a small patch before this Thursday for cosmetic shop rotation

[sharp epoch]

its april fools joke

[winter grove]

April fools was yesterday

[terse idol]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-no-this-is-patrick-spongebob-angry-mad-gif-9319809

[sharp epoch]

no its april fools right now

[low apex]

their bi weekly two month vacation 😆

Easter though yeah

[shy maple]

dont you know fatshark is just a money laundering shopfront thats how they can afford to work 1 month per year

[low apex]

Honestly I'd like to work for FS ngl

lowest pressure work environment deadass

unfortunately I dont want to live in the EU

[lyric dock]

Might be some remote jobs to attempt into

[low apex]

btw how did you get this preset for graphics?

[tall torrent]

You go into user setting config file and put all the texture quality stuff as “-1”

[limber lance]

anyone up for trying a commissar build?
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9bb51ac8-72c6-4a70-a14b-63daf47d0c4e/commissar-11?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[rigid pilot]

1 mil ranged damage damn how much did you shoot

[valid lodge]

could someone tell me what is the plasmagun's dump stat?

[final stag]

Charge rate

You're not gonna be charging with the damned thing to begin with

[valid lodge]

would this be a good plasma gun for now then? also could you please let me know what blessings i should go for

[last parcel]

that's a nice gun. i use Gets Hot and Blaze Away (only goes up to 3), and you can check out the latest pin for some more detail

[rigid pilot]

How many shots do you get from 0-100% heat? I never rolled a blaze away plasma before

[tall torrent]

with 69 or higher thermal resist, u can shoot 8

[rigid pilot]

That's pretty good for boss dumping

[last parcel]

hehe 69

[tall torrent]

so first shot normal, 2nd shot +8% power, 3rd shot +16% power, 4th shot +24% power, 5th shot +32% power, then 6th, 7th and 8th shots all have +40% power

[rigid pilot]

Sounds like you roughly get 10.5 shots worth of damage from 8 shots

[tall torrent]

10 shots worth of dmg out of 8 basically

[valid lodge]

is that from a website?

[tall torrent]

it's from me

https://tenor.com/view/armstrong-made-it-up-gif-25653819

[serene bough]

did you post your guide yet

[tall torrent]

finished curio section, need to do actual builds now

[valid lodge]

is this bricked 🤔

[tall torrent]

playable not great

[valid lodge]

damn

[serene bough]

yeah you should change shattering and infested dmg

it could be better but its servicable

[valid lodge]

welp, still gotta serve emprah one way or another

shattering impact isnt good tho?

[tall torrent]

it's not good on plasma

[serene bough]

plasma will kill almost everything in one hit

otherwise it'll do the job in 2 hits

[serene bough]

at which point, there's no point for brittleness

funny fraction snuck in there

[tall torrent]

Ok lemme fix

Thx

[crude fiber]

anyone get a bug where your chat stops updating and you cant send messeges in game?

[tall torrent]

Happens sometimes, I just restart game after

[crude fiber]

yeah but it seems to happen every time i play now

feels bad when i cant send or see ggs at the end of missions

[tall torrent]

any changes for this format

[split sapphire]

So is shattering impact not worth it for the plasma gun? Maybe gets hot instead?

[tall torrent]

Gets hot best
Blaze away is good
Gloryhunter is also good

Volatile irrelevant
Shattering impact irrelevant

But plasma cares about perks more than blessings

[valid lodge]

This is really helpful! Thanks!

Do you have a steam guide or something?

[tall torrent]

I'll post the finished document soon

[tall torrent]

not a steam guide

but I can DM u the current WIP version

It's a word document

[split sapphire]

Ok so how bout blaze away and gets hot

[tall torrent]

works

[split sapphire]

Ok cool

[tall torrent]

do u want me to DM u it

[valid lodge]

yes please, does it also include guide for other classes and weapons too?

[tall torrent]

only veteran because that's the class I'm most used to

psyker has their own guide "The Psyker Atheneum"

ogryn has ogrynomicon

[last parcel]

zealots have crack pipe

[rigid pilot]

Zealots have vibes

[midnight totem]

well

that was a bullshit way to lose my penance progress

loaded into a game, high int, middle of a horde. Half HP

half corrupted

sniper shot me

game wouldn't have counted since I joined halfway in

but getting downed kills my penance progress anyway

[astral ingot]

owned

[trim steppe]

Yeah I love that 1) you cant choose to avoid in-progress games 2) in-progress games dont count if you win 3) in-progress games tank you if you go down

[midnight totem]

I'm gonna go play Helldivers. At least when I die in that game I don't give a shit

[trim steppe]

Super fun combo

So close with double IV perks and yet so very very far

[last parcel]

don't worry, they'll fix that in 2037 when they release the penance rework

[tall torrent]

just speedrun 15 malice lol

[last parcel]

i think this is the guy dead set on doing it on damnation quickplay

personally i find it easier to stick pencils up my ass

[midnight totem]

yeah, thats me

[slate hawk]

The only small issue there is that teammates and barrels become your worst enemy

lol

[last parcel]

i just grinded twins bell skip to avoid barrels

[slate hawk]

Huh

That would be the fastest way to speed run it

[wanton dawn]

Just run ahead

[proven plaza]

what is the situation with the shotguns? i get one sometimes and try it, but i havent had all 3

they seem kinda weak

unless i can put like bleed on them and hit crowds

[trim steppe]

The agri is pretty good as its special is essentially a single shot sniper rifle that has good anti-armor. The kantrael is weaker but its special does burning shots that can take out bulwarks and swaths of mixed hordes pretty effectively. I don't think the lawbringer really has a place. I think the shotguns get outshown by the S-tier guns but at least the 2 of them are pretty fun and effective

[rigid pilot]

Shotguns I mainly use them to kill shooters and specials/elites, rarely as horde clear

The main advantage they have over autoguns is that they stagger immediately and reliably

This is just talking about the primary fire

[proven plaza]

yeah in beta i went through my accutran phase, then my bolter phase, then revolvers, but recently i got lucky with columnus on all 4 jobs so im getting bored with my guns

is bolter any good again?

i used to love it

[rigid pilot]

Bolter was never bad

[trim steppe]

Also decent on the vet as a sniper, going surgical and pinning fire lets you delete almost any threat at range. The zealot does well with cavalcade over surgical so they can mag dump and delete packs or bosses

[proven plaza]

i htought they nerfed it or something

[rigid pilot]

They just nerfed pinning fire, so you play surgical now

[proven plaza]

ahh

[rigid pilot]

Treat it like a marksman rifle

[proven plaza]

i would like a sniper type rifle

single shot slow rechamber instakill

like a 3 round mag

[rigid pilot]

Steal the longlas from the enemy sniper

[proven plaza]

im dangerously close to blowing a fortune on a chain axe just for fun

[rigid pilot]

Why not

[proven plaza]

but i only like the chain evicerator on my zealot the smaller ones i dont like the actions

[rigid pilot]

Saving plasteel for patch?

[proven plaza]

i have more trouble with ordo dockets these days

i certainly have plenty of diamantine

ill keep checking melk i dont have any chainaxe blessings at all anyways

[prisma vessel]

Vet Clutching.

[vague smelt]

I tried using the OvenProof Scoreboard and I get a massive chart clipping through the screen

how do I have it like yours

Do I remove the old score board mod

or I need both to work

[prisma vessel]

Mine is the OG old Scoreboard with two plugins - Defense one and the Damage one. Then I just finnagle some settings to display info I want et voila.

[last parcel]

Ovenproof's plugin has some sections that are also included in the original. You can disable those sections in the original mod to get more space (but you still need the actual original scoreboard mod)

[vague smelt]

Hmm

[trim hemlock]

You could turn some settings from the OG mod off

[vague smelt]

Aight let me see

But how do I know which one is from OverProof

and which ones are from OG board

[last parcel]

at the bottom of the description, he lists what each section covers
https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/241

compare that with the OG and pick what you want

[vague smelt]

What's bottom Padding

[last parcel]

ngl i forgot lol

[vague smelt]

Who wants to see Hadron bricking this shovel

[lyric dock]

Slowly raises hand

[trim hemlock]

Inb4 she godrolls this shovel

Or at least good rolls ™️

[vague smelt]

First roll

[lyric dock]

T2 off the bat

[vague smelt]

Amazing start

[lyric dock]

Bonus points it is Manaic

[vague smelt]

Second roll

To the bin

[vague smelt]

Didn't Fatshark going to give further info about their update at the end of March

did they forget again

[vague smelt]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

SHE'S GONNA BRICK THIS ONE ISN'T SHE

I don't wannaaaa

[trim hemlock]

There’s been an update to the original announcement post, but due to “reasons out of their hands”, it couldn’t be published before the end of March

[vague smelt]

Too good to brick

[lyric dock]

Sometimes you just have to roll it and pray

[vague smelt]

Yall pray for me

[trim hemlock]

If you have the mats and the will, do it

[lyric dock]

I mean hell. I got this sword on a basically yolo craft

[trim hemlock]

Or save it for the crafting rework ™️

[vague smelt]

I have 5K plasteel

[vague smelt]

I don't want to wait till October

Should I gamble

or not

[trim hemlock]

[lyric dock]

Fuck it we ball

[oblique horizon]

Gamble, you lose nothing

[vague smelt]

PSAGAAHJAHAHAHA

[trim hemlock]

|| yes. This is not a legal advice. ||

[vague smelt]

I hate this game

[oblique horizon]

I mean, roll for yellow

Maybe 3 others are alright

[oblique horizon]

Do it

Roll more

[vague smelt]

it gets worse

[trim hemlock]

I’d stop there

[oblique horizon]

More

[vague smelt]

Nah

3 bad rolls

there's no point

[oblique horizon]

Roll

[vague smelt]

I sold it

[oblique horizon]

Rip

[vague smelt]

Like

for what

3 bad rolls on T3

Well there goes another 370 shovel

[lyric dock]

Hadron: Are you pleased with the Omnisire blessing

Aka: Why Crafting just sucks

[vague smelt]

Well I'm switching games since I already did my session and unfriendly rng system

[limber lance]

Sitting on 40k of plastel waiting for update

[last parcel]

see you next year

[prisma vessel]

150k here 😄

[agile forge]

Making shovels was tough for me too

I still don't have uncanny for it, but at least I have a decent shell for one now

After like 1.5 million dockets

Most expensive shovel in the fucking imperium

[fluid solstice]

the emperors own shovel

for shovelling his golden shit

[fluid solstice]

ANY DAY NOW I'M TELLING YOU

[hoary horizon]

Sure maybe she break weapon. But least can still make more weapons yes?

[lyric dock]

We just sell the weapon she bricks and let it be someone elses problem

[astral dagger]

ooh nice sword

[lyric dock]

Thanks

[lyric dock]

Ogryn players are best friends

And how strong a Ogryn player is based on their commited they are to the bit

[hoary horizon]

Ulgo strongest in server then!

[pliant sentinel]

Why is the lucius bayonet so knarly

[hoary horizon]

Dunno. Shovel is Rad-ick-coal yes?

[pliant sentinel]

No I meant why is the bayonet so strong?

Like

I run the mk1 lucius and a mk 6 psword

the bayonet outperforms the power sword

i don't get it

[hoary horizon]

Because.... hum... uh... because it like spear?

[pliant sentinel]

fatshark balancing goes brrr

[hoary horizon]

Bah you know how they is boss.

[agile forge]

The bayonet can't block, and does fuck-all to carapace

but yeah, that's about it as far as weaknesses go iirc

[pliant sentinel]

yeah but most things do fuck all to carapace

[agile forge]

probably a bit overtuned

[pliant sentinel]

plasma guns excluded

and krak nades

[agile forge]

and power swords and folding shovels

and knives

[pliant sentinel]

power swords still struggle

[agile forge]

and chainaxes

[pliant sentinel]

it takes quite a few hits

[agile forge]

Power sword VI does not struggle

Push attack -> light combo

if you take +carapace it can 1-combo them

[pliant sentinel]

I just do heavy attacks

[agile forge]

Well, that'll be why your power sword struggles against them then

you're not doing your can opener combo

[pliant sentinel]

I see

[agile forge]

Try it in the psykhanium

you might need 2 combos if you haven't built anticrusher

but that's still pretty quick

This is only for the VI mind (and is most of the reason why the VI is the superior power sword)

[pliant sentinel]

that's what I run

[agile forge]

Yeah that should be able to crack open a crusher as fast as anything can

[pliant sentinel]

so it's just a skill issue

got it

[agile forge]

Combo awareness issue mostly lol

[pliant sentinel]

I am consistent with charging it

but I don't use the push poke as often as I should

I've been using the catachan mk3 as of late

[abstract moth]

Guys what would be the best way to obtain 3 plus stamina curio? Melks mysterious defensive acquisition 250?

[abstract moth]

Yeah I just got 2 of them by just spamming it

[agile forge]

That's one way, or you can just get it from any of the usual sources

btw, make sure it has a base rating of at least 76

you can get what appears to be +3 stamina curios at 75, but they are lying to you and are actually +2

[abstract moth]

The usual source would be melk selling it? Because that is rare. Hmmm weird never had that

[agile forge]

Melk, Brunt, emperor gifts

[lyric dock]

Brunt will be likely your best bet

[hoary horizon]

Ulgo like Brunt. Made Ulgo shield!

Not sticker that say Ulgo approve

[lyric dock]

There's a Chrome extension called "Armory Exchange" that lets you check Melk and Brunt shop rotation without loading up Darktide

[abstract moth]

I've only ever saw it from melk, rarely when he sells the stuff. Never from brunts or got it from the emperor gift

[lyric dock]

https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/armoury-exchange/hcjihmkcnjkfkaeebhnpjcnnibpoolgc

You can only view the shop. If you want to buy it....Well you have to login as your character for it

[north pebble]

hi all, is brutal momentum t4 the best pair to a t4 power cycler? or are there other options?

[tall torrent]

Sunder

[wanton dawn]

To be more precise, either bm or sunder are the best option

Bm is better on trash horde and single target. Sunder is better on mixed horde

As for other blessings: comparatively, bm is better

[north pebble]

how about slaughterer?

[wanton dawn]

As for other blessings: comparatively, bm is better

[north pebble]

cool, i just swapped rampage for bm. thanks for the insight

[agile forge]

Slaughterer is good, but BM and Sunder are great

same with rampage. It's good, but the others are better.

[agile forge]

Veteran friends, I would like some assistance with a talent build for the hellbore

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9bb67209-5227-4d79-9def-90205141eee2

is there anything I should change?

I feel awful not taking the ammo aura tbh

[gray finch]

shock trooper instead of long shot ,deadshot is not needed

[nocturne mulch]

Made a Graia Infantry Autogun and Achlys Combat Axe build

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9bafbfe7-06f3-4332-8e4f-33164ec39938/driptide-veteran-loyalist-vraks-pdf-columnusgraia-infantry-autogun-achlys-combat-axe?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

It's pretty hard lol, the Achlys kinda sucks ngl

[tall torrent]

U don’t need deadshot, rending strikes or focussed fire

[nocturne mulch]

Graia IG, although harder to control, plays very similar to Columnus so it carries the Achlys

[nocturne mulch]

Why

[agile forge]

Really, focussed fire isn't worth it?

What should I take instead?

some stuff from the right tree?

[tall torrent]

For Helbore? Those aren’t needed

[tall torrent]

Focussed fire isn’t worth it for most builds ngl

[lyric dock]

• No survivalist which isn't the end of the world with it as Hellbore is naturally ammo efficient, but will be silently judged
• Smoke grenades is pretty niche, but if you can make it work. Have it. Shredder would honestly be much better
• Shock trooper is great to have considering you're running dead shot and Surgical on your tree. Might as take the free ammo on shooting
• Onslaught isn't really needed on the MK2 because it has a really fast charge rate normally. So you run another blessing over it if you like

[tall torrent]

@agile forge

If focussed fire giving u 8 stacks of redirect fire won’t change major breakpoints

[nocturne mulch]

Oh sorry got mixed up, didnt realse you were replying to earlier build

[tall torrent]

Then focussed fire isn’t worth it

Focus target is a horribly misunderstood keystone

[tall torrent]

Target Down

[nocturne mulch]

Focus Fire is great for Mk 1 & 2 Helbore for one reason only

[lyric dock]

Free toughness is nice and Stamina lets you keep Dead shot up for longer (Remember to run a +3 stamina Curio)

[nocturne mulch]

More bayonet damage on bosses!

If not going bayonet build then Focus Fire is not that great

[agile forge]

Yeah, I want to use the bayonet a lot with this too

[nocturne mulch]

And can see they haven't gone bayonet build

[agile forge]

hence taking agile engagement

I don't know how to go bayonet build, I'm open for any suggestions up to and including a total tree rework tbh

I wanted to try smoke grenades, shovel and helbore. Everything else was just an attempt for me to make that work lol

[nocturne mulch]

This my bayonet buils

Build

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9b168766-fbd4-4245-ad33-9c2ae87fbbd7/driptide-veteran-krieg-bayonet-overpowered?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[lyric dock]

I generally use thew Bayonett as a "Fuck off lone pox walker/Brusier spanking my ass while I shoot shit"

[nocturne mulch]

You gotta swap the Onslaught blessing to No Respite

[agile forge]

Doesn't agile engagement work off of helbore though?

[nocturne mulch]

In what way?

You have to switch weapon for it

[tall torrent]

4.5% more dmg almost never matters enough for bayonet breakpoints

and since they removed BM bugged interaction with bayonet

[nocturne mulch]

My comment prior to that was: Focus Fire is great for Mk 1 & 2 Helbore for one reason only

[tall torrent]

it's not that great anymore

[nocturne mulch]

Boss damagr

[tall torrent]

yea focussed fire is practically +4.5% dmg

[agile forge]

Is that actually true though? I'm sure I read somewhere that bayonet counts for melee and then the gun part counts for ranged

[nocturne mulch]

How do you figure that?

[agile forge]

if it's not true I can come away from smoke easily

[nocturne mulch]

5 x 4

[tall torrent]

not true

[nocturne mulch]

20%

[tall torrent]

That’s the keystone itself called Focus Target

And it usually doesn’t stack up to 20% either

In active combat

[tall torrent]

Yes

[agile forge]

You can refresh the side nodes at 8/8 even if you only get a 1/8 tag though

[nocturne mulch]

Are you purposely ignoring some of my comments...?

Boss damage

You can maintain 5 stacks on bosses

[tall torrent]

I think you’re confusing focus target (keystone) with focussed fire (modifier)

[nocturne mulch]

Oh

I am. Sorry.

[tall torrent]

Yes, except redirect fire (for 1 point) is +7.5% dmg

You add focussed fire onto that (for another point) for +12% dmg (4.5% more)

You’re looking at diminishing returns that just isn’t worth that 1 point spent

[agile forge]

That is fair

[nocturne mulch]

Yeah I wouldnt bother with the modifier

Focus Target itself is enough

[tall torrent]

If u want to put 2 points into middle keystone, grab Target Down and Redirect Fire

[nocturne mulch]

And you dont need any rending for the bayonet

[tall torrent]

There’ll almost always be something better to spend on than focussed fire

[nocturne mulch]

It used to be good for crushers when the Limbsplitter bug was in

[agile forge]

I was figuring the rending would help shooting at flak

[nocturne mulch]

But now it doesnt do enough dps on crushers anyway, better to just switch to shovel and 1 hit crushers

[tall torrent]

Helbore has good flak dmg

[nocturne mulch]

It already penetrates flak

[agile forge]

Ok, let me bring up what I have now then...

[agile forge]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9bb67209-5227-4d79-9def-90205141eee2 see now

[austere pine]

waiiiit. does regular shovel special stop mutants in their path?

[agile forge]

2 points remaining and I don't mind dropping the other FT modifiers

I figured weapon specialist is not so good with this

[tall torrent]

Shock trooper + stam regen boost (left tree)

[agile forge]

since I'm meleeing mostly with the bayonet and not the shovel

[tall torrent]

They’re fine

[agile forge]

so I've dropped deadshot

do I still want stamina regen?

[tall torrent]

I’ll also say that bayonet melee is very single target focused

It has horrible cleave dmg distribution and very little cleave

[nocturne mulch]

Yeah you cant go 100% bayonet anymore

[agile forge]

Aw, I missed the good days

[nocturne mulch]

Not since the blessing bugs got fixed

[tall torrent]

The only targets you should rly consider using bayonet over shovel is ragers because it’s a more consistent stagger-lock

[agile forge]

It wouldn't be worth it to drop a few more things and get Desperado?

[tall torrent]

(And monsters because shovel’s unyielding modifier is horrible)

[tall torrent]

Not really worth it

Because shovel has remarkably bad finesse

And desperado doesn’t do that much for bayonet breakpoint-wise

[nocturne mulch]

Chnange Onslaught blessing to No Respite

[agile forge]

I don't have it atm

[tall torrent]

I’ll also say that

For Mk2 Helbore specifically

U want maniac + unarmored/elite

[agile forge]

I might have an old version of your guide

Flak is locked :/

[tall torrent]

I can send u the new version

[agile forge]

I can try to make a new one

[tall torrent]

It’s fine

Swap maniac to unarmored/elite then

Because the only major maniac BP for HB2 is crit 1HS flamer

And mutant 2HS bayonet stab (but this one is less relevant since you have Mk7 shovel)

Mk7 shovel with thrust can just fold heavy 1 shot mutant without HS

[nocturne mulch]

Flak is good for bayonet

It lets you kill maulers in 1 less hit

[agile forge]

which of unarmoured or elite would you recommend then?

[tall torrent]

I’d still suggest u just fold heavy mauler

Mk7 shovel is disgustingly strong vs carapace

[tall torrent]

Either tbh

I think elite has to have redirect fire running to 1 tap Dreg gunners

Unarmored doesn’t

But elite also doesn’t change BPs all that much

[agile forge]

Unarmoured sounds better tbh anyway

more bayonet fun

[tall torrent]

I basically finished the newest version of guide

[agile forge]

I'm thinking that last point could go into field improv instead of stam regen delay though