veteran-class

[lyric dock]

5 things of special ammo spread among 2 trains

Very rarely you get all 5 ammos in 1 train

[dawn garnet]

3 location interrogations until you do one in the middle

i know that one because i reported a bug there

[wanton dawn]

yep

Archivum Sycorax

[dawn garnet]

the one where i get lost

[lyric dock]

Scanning computers for the Heretic's Credit card info and putting it on a piece of paper

[wanton dawn]

That surprinsingly accurate

Warren 6-19

[dawn garnet]

vigil has a problem with this area

elites get stuck here

[hollow ibex]

Weak spot always bad

[lyric dock]

Gathering into for the Heretics latest drugs and ruining their drug operation there. Also has the best music with the finale theme

[wanton dawn]

I call it Drug lab personally

Excise Vault

I call it "this freaking map"

I have the most 45+min game on this one

Ppl keep taking me hostage

[lyric dock]

The vault is always a pain

Hab Dreyko is "Where you test your build"

[wanton dawn]

maybe we should redo the map difficulty tier list

[lyric dock]

SO what is the old list for reference?

[wanton dawn]

Well, there was a time when dreyko was the easiest map

[dreamy spade]

if u come across this guy kick him

[umbral scaffold]

Zai?

[gray finch]

got it

i only try to kick common expoliters like leaving-rejoin when getting trapped/downed

[tall torrent]

Smelter Complex can be pretty hard if ur team doesn’t do obj fast

Also the lava makes it harder to see sniper laser & bomber trails

[vague smelt]

Eh what perks are good on the reccon VIIA?

Maniac and Flak?

[proper delta]

anyone got a devil's claw roll i should shoot for laying around

[junior needle]

crit chance/flak/maniac

I'll assume you know the recon lasguns are not doing well atm

[vague smelt]

No but I want a collection of god roll weapons

Otherwise there's nothing to me to grind

[tall torrent]

Prioritize:
Dmg
Finesse
Cleave Dmg

Lower priority:
Cleave target 51%+
Mobility 51%+

Flak/elite/maniac
Rampage is mandatory
Then you can go for savage sweep for more horde clear, shred for crit build, or Skullcrusher for better single target (only for DC4 & DC7)

[agile forge]

Weakspot damage as a perk is always dogshit

sometimes it can be decent on a talent or blessing, but that's because it comes in much greater amounts

The plasma iirc has a poor weakspot multiplier already

like 1.2 or something?

with weakspot +10%, that becomes 1.22

it only affects the bonus part

[tall torrent]

No

Check the “Terminology & Mechanics” section at the start of the document, it explains how +weakspot dmg works

Essentially the actual Dmg boost is ALWAYS smaller than what the stated number suggests, and it’s much less useful for weapons with lower finesse

[warm olive]

yeah not the first time I see it too

[dreamy spade]

But precision strike is still better than determined and deadshot for plasma right?

[wanton dawn]

determined and deadshot are useless on plasma

they do literally nothing

[tall torrent]

yes because:
precision strikes help u get 1hs breakpoints
determined does nothing because plasma has built-in suppression immunity
deadshot does nothing because plasma can't brace or ADS

[wanton dawn]

also precision strike applies to me;lee

[dreamy spade]

yeah i just wanna get to fully loaded and superiority complex

[dreamy spade]

yeah useful for my shovel too

Damn I'm so lucky guys

[lyric dock]

You found the version where it trades ammo and thermals for damage

[vague smelt]

But what level are you

[midnight totem]

Is there a thread where we post the funniest and worst weapons Brunt has given us?

[umbral scaffold]

Who here wants a new Helbore skin

[dense tartan]

Need a Krieg Skin. Or a Siege of Vrakks Skin.

I've got a pair of 378 and 379 weapons that are 80% in three categories and 65%-75% in the others two. And they were both blues sitting in Brunts armoury that Hadron didn't outright brick.

I'll grab some photos later to show my build. It's not at all meta. But it's definitely my best build in terms of weapon crafting. (Both weapons were picked for their stats alone, with the talents built around them)

Also I'd love to see deathriders. The steel chest plate. A cavalry sword Skin maybe for the Catachan devil Claw swords.

[dawn garnet]

finally after 800 hours i have a great set for vet

look at my babies

just gotta start building pswords shurliey that wount take another 800 hours

[agile forge]

Be prepared to settle for power cycler 3 for a long time

[wanton dawn]

ppl bringing their lvl 27 friend in no ammo mael

[dawn garnet]

i will simply not use pswords until melk gives me that blessing(never)

[agile forge]

Even with 3 the power sword is among the best

Power Sword VI being the better and more versatile one

4 is a lot better than 3 but 3 functions more than well enough

Sadly take it from me lmao

[tame lodge]

Posting funniest is definitely a must

[fast sundial]

idk i think the first power sword i got rolled power cycler IV and brutal momentum

[dawn garnet]

i have a couple saved

the emperors toothpick

the deimos of ultimate defence

[vague smelt]

Took me 15 hours

I don't know what kind of luck you have

But I'm sorry

[dawn garnet]

nah im not building for vet

i just upgrade rolls from brunt

not rolls

err from the store

[inland orchid]

rng is a wild and wacky thing, nothin to be sorry bout

[frank basin]

How did we got psyker in vet chat?

[dawn garnet]

I only have meme psyker weapons

[nimble wren]

how to complete "Be Methodical" penance? I have a perk that restores my ability by killing specialists, but I think it can only be done by killing waves of dogs, but every time I don't have enough dogs in the waves.

[midnight totem]

it works with executioner stance

take the perk that highlights regular shooters

you just have to keep it going for 20 seconds

then do that 5 different times

[nimble wren]

wow, now i understand, thanks!

[late hatch]

plan your reloads, its better to reload with a few shots left but immediately after a kill so you can keep it up

[nimble wren]

alright, tha!

[tribal tangle]

Anyone have a good build for shovels?

i have one for shout and stealth but i want some other opinions on build

[late hatch]

You mean talent tree?

[tribal tangle]

yes

i already have a godroll shovel, just looking for talents and what other people think, im using the 8

7*

[late hatch]

pick up precision and superiority, consider desperado and weapon specialist

[tribal tangle]

my two shovel builds

[late hatch]

dont need shock trooper unless you are using certain las weapons

[late hatch]

man i loaded into a vent purge with 90% corruption and 2 bots already down pinned by a horde of gunners and lost my win streak

[tribal tangle]

F

[devout comet]

Shock trooper is great, makes u a self reliant ammo box and frees up ammo boxes for ur team

[final stag]

Just makes you play the lasguns which I have no qualms against. Especially with helbore and it's almost gritting uptime with surgical. You should actually never go below 90% ammo

[midnight totem]

F

need ammo? just play hunting grounds with survivalist

[balmy flume]

Still waiting for Accatrans to be good.
I need my rapid fire thrill kicks.

[ember folio]

turtolsky ix combos?

[trim steppe]

The hell is this

When did they rename Onslaught?

[tame lodge]

Apparently with the recent patch

[trim steppe]

Also was it always -60% at max charge? Am I mistaken or is that buffed from before

[tall torrent]

Yea

[trim steppe]

Huh, shows how much I use the Helbore

[late hatch]

recon6d is still very playable

why is 1 bot lvl 30 and the other 2 are only lvl 1?

[last parcel]

they're already good dont worry

[tame lodge]

And why do they eat sniper shots like it's nothing

[late hatch]

And they just melee bursters lol

[stone tapir]

i never realized how powerful Onslaught was until i started using a ciag build

[late hatch]

It goes hard on the recons too. First few shots into a crusher do nothing then suddenly their health just melts away

[stone tapir]

agreed, this ciag build someone gave me has changed my perspective on what i thought was good

[late hatch]

I think i was tlking to you about it yesterday or the day before

[stone tapir]

oh yea, cat pfp, it was you

[late hatch]

[stone tapir]

it was either you or soldier 69

i cant remember who specifically

[late hatch]

probs both of us

[stone tapir]

probably XD

the only thing i changed about the reccommended ciag build was trading determined for deadshot. i hate suppression

[late hatch]

Yeah suppression on enemies often just makes it harder to kill them coz they flinch and take cover. The enemies you really want it to work on are immune anyway. The laspistol and plasma have built in suppression immunity btw. think there is another but i cant remember which rn

[stone tapir]

i didnt know that

[late hatch]

Deadshot is good, but can be difficult to use properly

[stone tapir]

is the laspistol even viable right now?

i remember a while back people saying it wasnt optimal

[late hatch]

Yeah, both are. I pref the mk10 as it hits harder, but the other one is better for infernus procs

[tall torrent]

Very

[stone tapir]

infernus slaps, im so glad they added it

[tall torrent]

Mk2 is the better one overall

Mk10 is ok

[late hatch]

laspistol has great movement, super fast swap, and hits pretty hard

best commissar weapon for me

[tall torrent]

You need to headshot or crit but they’re deadly

[late hatch]

yeah you really have to be going for heads

[stone tapir]

neat, with the ciag i just aim at waist level and let the recoil take care of the rest

[tall torrent]

Laspistols have a lot of QoL stuff going on

You have fast swap, great hipfire, instant sprint to fire, fast ADS move speed & built-in suppression immunity

Also innate 15% crit chance

[stone tapir]

dayum

[tall torrent]

However

[stone tapir]

ima have to look into using it

[late hatch]

put ghost on the laspistol and you are immune to range fire as long as you hit heads every second or so

[tall torrent]

You lose like half of your dmg over range against almost every armor type

It has really really bad falloff

[stone tapir]

well its a good thing its meant for cqc anyway

[tall torrent]

Also has pretty low maniac dmg

[stone tapir]

maniacs are the guys that run in the swarms right

the unarmored civilian types

[tall torrent]

Flamer, trapper, mutant, Dreg rager

[late hatch]

the angry guys with dual melee. also flamers and trappers i think count as maniac

[stone tapir]

ahh, that makes sense

[tall torrent]

Mk2 is the higher dps variant that’s also easier to roll
Mk10 requires extremely specific rolls for min-max

@stone tapir this might help

(this is the WIP update version of the veteran guide that's currently pinned here)

[stone tapir]

yea ive been taking occasional looks at the guide

wish there was one for zealot, but afaik that doesnt seem to be the case

[tall torrent]

I’m not that familiar with zealot stuff yet to be making one

[stone tapir]

you made the vet guide?

[tall torrent]

Yea

[stone tapir]

...

just damn

thank you

its so good

[tall torrent]

Next version would have:
Change to dark mode with talent tree color code overhaul (dark mode superior)
Example builds with key synergistic interactions
Also misc changes in terminology section, and minor updates to blessings’ descriptions to be more accurate on how they work (a couple didn’t work the way I thought when I wrote it)

[stone tapir]

well if you ever need someone to stupid proof the guide just hit me up

in the mean time, i best be getting to bed, i have to wake up at 0330 tomorrow

[wintry cove]

bros pfp is the legion respect

fav titan

[stone tapir]

Papa Legion can do wrong

https://tenor.com/view/gatling-gun-shoot-them-heavy-weapons-big-gun-ammo-gif-18134044

[trim steppe]

Oh shit, look what I found at the armory

Time to play Drip or Brick with Hadron

[trim steppe]

🎉 🎉 🎉 🎉 🎉

[trim steppe]

My sweet precious new baby

[raw steppe]

Nice lol

You actually crafted it correctly

Instead of into flak maniac

I've seen some ppl brick some pretty solid weps

Because they have flak maniac obsession

[late hatch]

Well flakiac is BIS for >1/2 the weapons, and info in game is severely lacking

Not sure exactly the numbers but i wouldnt be surprised if a clear majority of players never even tried damnation

[final stag]

Ong

I actually can't comprehend that

I play damnation near exclusively that I believe that's where the playerbase is at 💀

[late hatch]

On my server it can be very hard to get a full auric apart from at peak times, even damnation is often 1-2 bots 50%-all the way through. But queue for malice and you usually get full games

Same in heaps of games tbh. Play league and queue for a bots game and get 10s queues, OW QP compared to ranked, etc, ( esp when you are playing in plat+ where its only like 5-10% of the pop anyway

[frank basin]

Flaniac is overused im glad he use unarmored and flak

[late hatch]

Then you get the snowball smurf problem where chall/t500 players smurf in master, so master players get sick of getting shit on and smurf in plat, so plat smurf in silver/gold, etc

Apex is one of the worst games for smurfs, and cheaters

[trim steppe]

Been looking for a godroll for a while now, ain't about to brick it lol

[frank basin]

Does it has sealclubbing?

[late hatch]

Many games are like watching a pro basketball player go to a primary school and just roflstomping kids that barely reach their waist tbh

Any game that relies on EAC is a joke in comp modes

[frank basin]

Looking nProtect in helldiver a pve game

I could join server doesn’t secure anti cheat after I turn EAC off in 7 Days to Dies and I use trainer cheats in pve server so funny.

[late hatch]

Helldivers anticheat got cracked in the first week

[frank basin]

But it get bored fast

[frank basin]

Lmao

I’m reading old steam forum

[late hatch]

VT used to have a few cheaters every now and then too

[frank basin]

The director arrowhead said does make sour gameplay experience when their anticheat got cracked

[late hatch]

dont think ive seen any obv cheaters in DT though

[frank basin]

Huh? Really?

[frank basin]

There’s literally YouTube video out there show aimbot

Publicity explicitly

Like showing gameplay aimbot

Is still up

[late hatch]

There isnt much to gain by cheating in a purely pve game, apart from godmode power fantasy which gets old quick, or trolling players on your team which is only for the saddest of losers anyway

[frank basin]

But yeah I never see cheater in game I play

[frank basin]

One time I play drg getting infinite iron will for funny

In public matchmaking session

[late hatch]

Soft cheating is the big part in pve. People who just never go down coz the computer automatically blocks or dodges for them, or having unlimited supply drops or ammo, etc

[frank basin]

Yeah

I prefer get unlimited sample so I skip the grind

Super credits is huge pissing arrowhead profit

If someone use cheats crack get unlimited super cred

[late hatch]

Yeah esp in these mtx p2w games cheaters use it to just skip 100 hours of grinding for mats

[frank basin]

I hate sample grind tbh

I’m not feeling play game both side grind and cheats (being burnout)

[late hatch]

Like DD2 pay $1.5 to bring a dead companion back to life. In a single player game. Ofc people are just gonna cheat that artificially inflated grind created to incentivise mtx. And then post neg reviews with funny comments like this https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/245502524302295041/1220880176242757642/image.png?ex=66108c44&is=65fe1744&hm=afc269ed0fd7c9a6ce00cd7c08e73d01ba72749bb0c03c6386176148654b8d78&

[frank basin]

CapCom become EA

This is new generation era

[late hatch]

Its a sad time for games when a full price game comes with BS mtx. DD2 is $108aud. HD2 is $60. Meanwhile I bought DT for I think it was somewhere around $50aud and after about 350 hours i spent like $30aud on aquillas more just because I want more good quality WH games to be made and I have a bunch of hours in other FS games

$100ish for 500-800 hours is pretty damn good value as far as im concerned

[trim steppe]

I bought 3 copies, for myself and my bro and my cousin. They played for like 5 hours a piece, and I'm close to 900. Even 3 copies deep was worth the price for a thousand hours

[frank basin]

People say mtx in HD2 is earnable

But is small

Except once time I landed got 100 super cred

Is very rare

[late hatch]

Yeah I used to play minion masters, got to the highest rank. You could earn enough gems if you played a lot to buy the next battlepass. But most people dont sink 50+ hours a month into a single game, so then you are only really competing against a small pool of 100-200 players who have the skill and time and interest in the game to play it enough to get to high rank every season

[frank basin]

I think some game respect your time but most game I play doesn’t respect my time.

(Except I have time to play long I can because unemployment is free time for gaming until I get bored playing same game same grind all day is frustrating)

[late hatch]

Unfortunetly any game with p2w mtx inherently pushes towards artificially inflated grind to make their purchases more attractive

[frank basin]

The Fomo shop made me spent $50 a game itself and super cred to buy EOD suit in the store

So when I play game more I spend in game the way I think “maybe just I’ll support this game for once at a time”

[late hatch]

There are people who play gacha games like raid and HSR who spend like $50-100k over a year or so to hit the top scoreboards

[frank basin]

You know money just flow anywhere like doesn’t matter since if you die money won’t follow you.

Saying like saving not worth it in life just spend till last of your life.

And we spend shit ton game and mtx

Also our daily lives stuff

[late hatch]

If you have a family there is def a strong argument for creating wealth to pass on to improve your kids lives

[frank basin]

Yeah money system created this make us to buy and consume

[frank basin]

Creating a family definitely forfeit your pass time and focus on grind get mentality exhaust and that shouldn’t not give up. Blood sweat sacrifice for child.

Creating family in US this ecomony is shattering

Video game business is volatile and they’ll never get recognition

Common people call those time wasting

Not even government support it. Is independent business like Nail salon

There is reason why people either struggle make money or being greedy in video game field

Competitive business is simple thing in capitalist to strive successful

[late hatch]

Rampant capitalism encourages unethical behaviours

[frank basin]

That’s make online video game nowadays being very grindy

Also bad workplace in video game industry is know a thing

Decide is up to management who decide heart-fully or coldest treating employee and game quality

[late hatch]

Yeah unless the punishment is scaled directly to company profits, it just becomes a cost benefit analysis, and companies will always take the path they think will result in the best payout, regardless of how unethical or cruel it is

[frank basin]

No such thing made from the heart

(Big) Game is evolve slowly like heartlessly for profit

They going path of corporation being monopoly

I know indie game being told the good guy a lot time. Am thinking some indie game grew into cycle to big become bad.

[late hatch]

If they sell out and go public then the entire paradigm shifts to shareholder profits > anything else

[frank basin]

Like after when uprising revolution against government take down they cycle back into forming government

[frank basin]

So sad living in world with money system made people greedfully

Like I’ll never see big game made from the heart

[late hatch]

People used to kill each other over farmland and gold, greed isnt a new thing

[frank basin]

Big game might want crush light of indie game

Whatever they find sunshine spot light they would try crush it.

No game last forever

So likeLethal company trend is been months passing like not relevant anymore

I’m sure new game will born out and dies afterward

Life products has time expiration

I’m getting bored to buy games

It doesn’t feel fun for me with same design of grind after grind (most time I’m too lonely to play single player game lol)

[late hatch]

Its an early access game. I dont think that category should exist at all. Its just a breeding ground for scammers. But if they do keep working on it it will have another big surge when they release more content

[frank basin]

Wydm breeding ground for scammer?

Kickstarter game were notorious scamming people. Day before just miserable told people got scammed (but they got refunded for waiting very long)

[late hatch]

Early access is littered with the half finished remains of games that were abandoned and the creators just took the money and peaced out, often to start a new project adn do the same again, with no real intent to ever release a full game

[frank basin]

That make sense

Yeah is does sound predatory

Making game ain’t easy

Is time consuming

Like chef cooking food and people very hungry waiting

And I don’t know how to cook

[late hatch]

Creating good art is not easy. I read a lot of books, and have had some pretty good ideas for stories. But actually writing them out into something sellable? It is a huge task

[frank basin]

You a writing author?

[late hatch]

Nah a wanna be writer. I can dream up good stories, but actually fleshing them out into a cogent story in readable prose is a massive job

[frank basin]

Yes I can see that

So for some video game just maybe become marvel writing

Already know big game are marvel writing

[late hatch]

There will be good stuff and bad. All we can do is vote for a gov that will enact laws to punish bad behaviours enough that the bad is reduced as much as possible before you have to start punishing good people unintentionally hoping to prevent bad.

[frank basin]

I barely find piece of what’s game fit for me

[frank basin]

That make rising protest

Last sentence tho

[late hatch]

The French did a pretty good uprising a while back

[frank basin]

And it goes circle back

Just like when indie grew big

[late hatch]

Scared the bejesus out of royals around the world for a good while

[frank basin]

I wishing to make game like a kid wish to make rocket engine to go to mars

Because I can’t find fun

[late hatch]

Pick up a coding course on w3schools or a course at a uni or tafe and just get into it. even if it doesnt become a career, if its something you enjoy its worth spending time on

[frank basin]

I can’t find uni place at my home is very far away

I got banned from one company of uni

Near my home

Coding is something first step but my brain like forgetting shirting a lot

Some other guy suggest me do QA testing

[late hatch]

Coding is a language, and to become fluent in any language you have to practise every day for a decent time

[frank basin]

Self taught ain’t easy for me I have trouble learning tho

[late hatch]

If you have certain conditions like dyslexia it can make that kind of thing very difficult. But there is also art and story and a lot of other parts of making games besides just coding

[frank basin]

I’m more of designing

Idealist

But people know that stuff

Old guy named Timthory Cain just want you code the game not generate idea of the game.

Because people can bring the idea

So I’m thing what else I could do my own talents

Content creator?

[late hatch]

There are a lot of people who make a lot of money writing pop songs or scripts for movies but never perform or produce a finished product

[frank basin]

Yeah

I can’t go to game studio said I have idea to make game

They need people work to produce something

[rigid pilot]

You can if you have money

[late hatch]

[wraith bolt]

The country music scene is fucking crazy for this

90% of popular country musicians dont write their own songs

Lol

And its not me hating on country music its literally just the status quo in nashville

[late hatch]

Look up Max Martin

[wraith bolt]

Youll have fuckin grindcore artists who move to nashville and make millions writing country songs

[late hatch]

Max Martin wrote
Katy Perry: "I Kissed a Girl", "Teenage Dream", "California Gurls", "Roar", "Dark Horse"
Britney Spears: "Oops!… I Did It Again", "Stronger", "…Baby One More Time", "Till The World Ends"
Backstreet Boys: "Quit Playing Games With My Heart", "I Want It That Way", "Larger Than Life", "As Long As You Love Me", "Shape of my Heart"
Kelly Clarkson: "Since You've Been Gone", "My Life Would Suck Without You"
N'Sync: "Tearin' Up My Heart", "It's Gonna Be Me", "I Want You Back"
Taylor Swift: "We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together", "I Knew You Were Trouble", "22", "Bad Blood"
The Weeknd: "Can't Feel My Face"
Justin Timberlake: "Can't Stop The Feeling!"
plus heaps more

[dense tartan]

The Build and the weapons I mentioned earlier.

[trim hemlock]

Consider changing the Crit perk on the knife to, say, Flak/Maniac/Unyielding

And TB blessing on the Brauto is also somewhat redundant

I see more opportunities to make this build better re: skill choices, but I can’t really go into details for now

There seems to be at least some redundant skills, at least if you’re using a Brauto

[dense tartan]

I went with TB blessing to make up for the 65 in collateral. It might be a bad return on investment. But for me it's for fixing a weaker aspect of it's roll.

[trim hemlock]

But you do realise that TB straight up doesn’t work on certain enemies, right? And that the base suppression effect from Collateral is more than enough to suppress shooters/gunners/groaners

[dense tartan]

Sure that makes sense. I just thought pushing the crit hunting/ weak spot hunting was probably a better way of trigger bleeds.

[agile forge]

TB is universally a trap blessing

It's what it stands for

[dense tartan]

I realise, but I really like the 14 meter diameter circle around me of guys who get suppressed when I'm killing specials that are far away.

[trim hemlock]

The 5% Crit doesn’t really do a whole lot, especially since you can get Crit chance through other means, whereas having a damage perk against some key armour type like Maniac or Unyielding makes bleed that much more relevant for killing enemies with these health types quicker

[dense tartan]

Do the bleeds take their damage profile from the knife?

[trim hemlock]

Also, knife has a 15+5% base critical chance, it really doesn’t need that perk

[trim hemlock]

It does, AFAIK

Well, not the entire profile, but it benefits from perks the weapon you have out has

[dense tartan]

Oh interesting, I wonder if the bleeds in the talent tree use your weapon profile for damage.

[trim hemlock]

They still benefit from the perks of the weapon you have in your hands while the DoT ticks

[late hatch]

Um afaik bleeds and burns are just straight damage not affected by perks, but i could well be wrong

[trim hemlock]

Unless something has changed recently and it’s no longer valid

[dense tartan]

Wow that's awesome. But surly it'll be better to trigger the bleeds 5% more often than have bleed less often with more damage against one type.

[trim hemlock]

(It should be easy to test, I just can’t be bothered to enter the Psykhanium )

[trim hemlock]

I will not run the maths on this because I was an F student in that subject, but no, it’s almost certainly not worth it over a damage perk

[thick flint]

slaughterer or brutal momentum for a power sword

the other blessing is gonna be the extra charged hits

[dense tartan]

I just pay pasteel and change it depending on the difficulty.

brutal for Hersey or higher. Slaughter for Malice or lower.

[thick flint]

I have both on my power sword rn

I'm changing one to power cycler

I also need to switch a perk

[dense tartan]

What difficulty do you normally play at?

[thick flint]

heresy or above

heresy is lowest

[trim hemlock]

Okay, so, this is the entire skill tree

[thick flint]

I'm leaning more towards brutal momentum

[agile forge]

For power swords it's between Bromentum and Sunder

With Power Cycler as a given

[dense tartan]

Then brutals your best bet. Let's you stagger up to 4. And slice through to weakspot hits. And let's you hit specials that hide in hoards.

[rigid pilot]

Why is sunder good

[agile forge]

Lets you cleave through elites

Crushers don't even stop you

[trim hemlock]

It elevates your cleave value by an exponential amount + makes it so your swings don't stop on Carapace things.

[dense tartan]

Oh thank you, how did you do that?

[trim hemlock]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor

I will propose some changes to your build, if you don't mind

[dense tartan]

Go for it!

[agile forge]

You have like the opposite of the normal E stance lol

[dense tartan]

Correct. I want to play spotter, and link the uptime to match that of the other players.

[trim hemlock]

Variant 1 and 2, they only differ by the toughness replenishment methods at the top

[agile forge]

Not getting the refresh on it is rough though

Given that it recharges even while active unlike stuff like Scrier's Gaze

[trim hemlock]

As for weapons, with reference to the ones you provided previously, I'd build them like this:

[agile forge]

You can sometimes maintain 100% uptime on it in a fight

[trim hemlock]

It's not thoroughly optimal, but it's building into what you have right now/can change right now

[dense tartan]

Ah I didn't know that. See I wanted to recycle as quick as possible to proc a spot as soon as possible.

[trim hemlock]

Demo Stockpile can possibly be removed, as well as the small node preceeding it, and Demo Team can be taken instead. This option will give you 1 more skill point for something you might want, but it will make the grenade replenishment less consistent.

[agile forge]

Yeah, without that it wouldn't be worth taking over VoC ever imo

[dense tartan]

Perfect. And this is more optimal for the weapons I'm running?

See longshot and exhilarating takedown I feel like they fix the Autoguns weakness at longer ranges. (Hits that land do more damage) That seems more important to me than sprint cost reduction.

Close order drill and confirmed kill admittedly do lean more into that coherence build. So I'll think about adjusting tack over to that, even if it is at the expense of my long range damage potentially.

I feel like I use the tree to smooth out rough edges and weaknesses. And your approach is to just sharpen the sharp edges and really double down on the strengths.

[late hatch]

Its generally best to really lean into a build and focus on hitting important break points to reliably kill elits and specials

That said my most played build is a support commissar with voc and nade spam

As overshield is just so strong and creating space with voc is super powerful

[umbral scaffold]

i main a crit sniper build that doenst need extra headshot damage since many of hte dmrs i run go trhough break pionts aplenty

[trim hemlock]

Taking Demo Stockpile is a trade off, but a relatively good one, because you get much more frequent Kraks for handling big boys. Demo Team does the same thing, but it saves you one point to branch off to Demopile, but at the expense of making the replenishment effect unpredictable (but it gets more consistent the higher the elite density is).

I feel like Brautos generally don’t play well into ETakedown, since they don’t score headshots easily to begin with, and while Out for Blood costs a point to get into via Vanguard sprint cost reduction, it makes you also generate toughness on ANY kills, be it ranged, DoTs or grenades, and enhancing your melee toughness replenishment by a fair bit, making it very consistent an option.

[dense tartan]

I have that on lockdown. My build for my commissar really leans into the toughness regen build hard. But the weapons while all 370+ have imperfect stat distribution.

Where as these weapons while not 380's, and not weapons I would have chosen to build around. God rolled the stats that matter.

[trim hemlock]

I will give ETakedown branch one pro to look forward to, being Longshot is an OK skill on Brautoguns, so that might be one skill, in which I would put the free point from Demo Team/Stockpile choice.

[late hatch]

Im not the biggest fan of the knife, and the c5iag is better

[rigid pilot]

longshot has a minimum activation range of 8m? or is it 15m

[trim hemlock]

As for COD and CK branch up top, it’s just free toughness rep on chained elite/special kills and more damage reduction for pressing forward - it’s hard to pass up, but I personally like OfB path more.

[late hatch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1208738675957956650/1219604158165024848/image.png?ex=660be7e2&is=65f972e2&hm=a6da6c0ba95d201f7da956c236a132b5d084940d5bc2ea279de5e2aae609861e&

[trim hemlock]

It’s 8m, as you get bonus damage from 9m onwards

[late hatch]

i use this tree most

longshot isnt perma, it gets swapped to shock trooper for las weapons

or precision

[rigid pilot]

brautos and longshot hmmm might give it a go, i just cant find a good niche for them

even with weapon specialist melee builds the swap time is just too long

[late hatch]

if you want fast swap use a laspistol

[rigid pilot]

i mainly use revolver with weap specialist, although i do have a spicy plasma one

[trim hemlock]

It’s making them slightly more consistent against targets at range, and while IDR how bad the damage fall-off is for them, it also helps alleviate that slightly

[rigid pilot]

a crit plasma will probably kill anything except gryns with a lmb

[trim hemlock]

There might be a better option to consider, but how much more relevant it would be is somewhat…

asks data scientists for a better word/phrase

[late hatch]

iron will bottom mid is a really strong point

[rigid pilot]

i feel like if you were going to run a braced you should just run an IAG

[trim hemlock]

Up for debate

[trim hemlock]

Yeah, but they don’t, so I made suggestions made on that notion

I don’t always like leaning onto 🗑️ no effort weapons myself

[late hatch]

or give the recon 6d a whirl, it melts stuff pretty well

[rigid pilot]

melts one thing really well

if there are multiple things welp

[agile forge]

They need to fix the Braced mode on Braced guns imo

They should all do the Graia thing

[trim hemlock]

Recons are generally very non-spectacular firearms, I’m getting a headache from just thinking about how insignificant they are

[agile forge]

Otherwise they're just worse IAGs

As is Recon

[rigid pilot]

graia has a different braced mode? i only ran it once on my zealot

[agile forge]

Increases RoF

[rigid pilot]

thats actually a cool change

[trim hemlock]

Also, extended firing of Graia eventually reverts its recoil

And/or bloom

IDK if it’s exclusive to its braced mode or not

But it essentially becomes more accurate the longer the trigger is pulled

[rigid pilot]

so it gets more accurate the longer you shoot? maybe i should run the graia braced

[trim hemlock]

It starts off okay, becomes garbage, and then stabilises roughly half way “in”

[late hatch]

nothing wrong with the recon 6d

[rigid pilot]

it kills the things its pointed at

[late hatch]

It absolutely melts crushers and groups of elites just evaporate if you can aim

plus good burn for bosses with infernus

stacks onslaught fast

[rigid pilot]

used to be alot better

[late hatch]

It used to be broken. Now its just fine

[agile forge]

Look at the ammo taken scores lmao

[rigid pilot]

i guess compared to the iLas it has better boss dps

i mainly run iLas for my pewpew builds

[late hatch]

Yeah I was gobbling ammo but really coz they didnt need much of it

both zealots regen from my surv aura. this was with voc too. could put up better numbers with the shooty ult probs

[agile forge]

I mean you don't always have to use the absolute best etc

[dense tartan]

Like doubling your Toughness for the first 25% I think I have Toughness around 290 so it effectively gives me an extra 72 toughness from Toughness damage reduction. I run it on my commissar build because I effectively picked everything talent that improves toughness regen and toughness protection. It's just silly.

I don't know how well it fits with this build. A little bit of extra Toughness is nice. But I'm hoping I'll be avoiding a lot of damage from terrifying barrage plus dodging to gain extra crit chance. And if my Toughness breaks I get slow immunity and 50% stamina back.

[agile forge]

But when is a recon better than a CIAG?

In what circumstance

[late hatch]

It means if you get shot by a sniper or hit by a crusher with high toughness you barely take damage instead of getting rekt

[rigid pilot]

any toughness replenished during the first 25% is also doubled

you can hover in the IW range pretty comfortably

[late hatch]

Its more fun and you get to bring infernus, plus massive mag size compared to the c5

Like 2x the shots

[dense tartan]

If I'm lucky enough to spot a good one, or roll one well. I'll see about swapping. These weapons are being built around, because they are the best rolled weapons I have. Might be suboptimal for a weapon of its class. But I will make it work.

[late hatch]

If you are running HIST you will notice a diff using meta stuff. Otherwise just play what is most fun for you unless you are struggling

[trim hemlock]

Well, yeah, but start comparing potential DPS values of the two and you will see why nobody uses the Recons

Especially against Maniac

[agile forge]

Tbh I see more people using recons

Rarely well though lmao

[trim hemlock]

I… don’t see people using Recons at all, unless they are absolutely clueless about what they are doing with their loadout (or they know EXACTLY what they are doing)

[rigid pilot]

biggest issue i have with iLas is lack of cleave to kill targets in a crowded environment

[agile forge]

I get it though, if the CIAG visually fired lasers I'd like it more

[late hatch]

I use recon, I also use c5, laspistol, shotguns, agri8 brauto, etc. I play too much and cbf running the same setup too often

[rigid pilot]

i really like agri shotty recently

[agile forge]

And I know there is a mod

[trim hemlock]

There’s probably a mod for that

[late hatch]

Plasma is a bit of fun from time to time. I run rev on my zealot mostly so rarely on my vet

All 3 shotguns are fun

[rigid pilot]

agri shotty actually one shots elites in the head with some buffs with just the regular lmb

from a respectable range

the spread is so tight

[late hatch]

agri shotgun is the best sniper rifle in hte game lol

with its special

[rigid pilot]

i think plasma takes that lol

[late hatch]

Nah you cant ads the plasma

[rigid pilot]

you can just blast in the general direction because the beam is so thicc and it goes through cover

[late hatch]

so with custom fov mod you can really turn the agri shotgun into a sniper

[rigid pilot]

not the same flavour as a rifle but it gets the job done with alot less aiming

[dense tartan]

I used to run a Stripped Down IV recon with infunus. All the sprint reduction and regen for avoiding range attack and being immune to range attacks. It's pretty fun. But really it's a lot to build around just to fix being out of position. I have to stop sprinting to shoot.

Is there a blessing that means you can shoot while sprinting? I feel like saw something like that.

[rigid pilot]

stripped down the the vet talent that regens stamina on dodge gives you unlimited sprint lol

unlimited stripped down is funny

[rigid pilot]

that is the psyker blessing on staves

[late hatch]

the shoot while sprinting is only good for memes

[dense tartan]

So there is a blessing for it?

[late hatch]

on the purg staff you can kinda make use of it, but there are better uses of the slot

[rigid pilot]

not for guns afaik

[dense tartan]

Ah on the Stave.

[rigid pilot]

they probably dont have the third person animation for such a thing

[trim hemlock]

Revolver has Run and Gun

[rigid pilot]

does it?

[trim hemlock]

but the guns you would expect this type of blessing on obviously don’t

[dense tartan]

I 100% agree. It's the "shoot at me, I'm a distraction" while everyone else pops the gunners. It's so funny.

[rigid pilot]

when people have issues with gunners you just show them the clip lol

[trim hemlock]

Can’t have rejects running around AND shooting at the same time with a braced autogun, no no, this is too much

[dire olive]

Get the weapon customisation extended mod and you just slap an actual scope on it

[late hatch]

custom fov is better imo

[rigid pilot]

scope? more like metal pipe

[dire olive]

Eh, there's a plugin that adds a bunch more options

[rigid pilot]

[dense tartan]

I run a Deathwatch RPG game. And genuinely shotguns with Slugs and scopes are a genuine menace. Had a guy pick his chapter(raptors) based solely on the scope and ability to ignore long-range and extreme range negative modifiers. His shotgun of range 30meters is effectively 120 meter range sniper rifle. Full auto 5 shots in 5 seconds. And a fire selector to triple the magazine size.

I know I'm going off topic. But shotgun snipers are a meme bordering on broken shenanigans.

[rigid pilot]

are they really a meme anymore

[late hatch]

yes, compared to a real sniper rifle that can hit a target several km away, shotguns as sniper rifles is a meme

[dense tartan]

Lucky for us the longest range in any Darktide environment is less than 300 meters.

[slate kayak]

So how come we don't have sniper rifles?

[late hatch]

But equally the old video game shotguns that shoot like 2m wide spread and fall off at 5m range are a meme too

[trim hemlock]

Relatively useless in the claustrophobic environments of Tertium

Useless or redundant, either or

[dense tartan]

I do actually think the maps are too small to real support their play style.

[trim hemlock]

We do have “sniper rifles at home” in form of HHAGs and Helbro lasguns, though

[late hatch]

Counterstrike snipers say what? similar size maps, snipers are OP

[trim hemlock]

And revolvers to some extent

[dense tartan]

I wouldn't mind Fat shark developing a more open environment.

[trim hemlock]

It’s a different gameplay formula, also, so I don’t see how that would apply to what DT offers

[late hatch]

Well I run custom FOV with super zoom on a few guns so they are effective sniper rifles

[dense tartan]

It's PvP 8v8 one kill is a lot. DT is PVE where 1 kill in 1,200 kill game isn't worth much.

[late hatch]

In a game where a bomber unchecked can murder your whole team, being able to tap a tiny peek of head at long range is worth it

[trim hemlock]

You don’t need a sniper rifle for it, though, the bombers are flak/unarmoured, not carapace/carapace

You can shoot a laser pistol at its head and kill it. If one shot doesn’t do it, follow-up on it

[dense tartan]

Bombers are still considered close range. Even if they entered the Map far away. I think a sniper is overkill.

[late hatch]

Plus there are sniper rifles as props in game. If they were no good as terium is too claustrophobic then why would they be on the map at all?

I run a laspistol as a sniper with super zoom as its also one of the best hipfire guns

[dense tartan]

That being said. If they want to give the base game weapon modification for scopes and extended mags and grips so we can turn our guns into sniper style guns I'll be all for it.

[agile forge]

Zarona is the real best sniper tbh

[stone tapir]

i hope they add a sniper rifle in general

[agile forge]

Agri shotgun suffers from being stoppable

[trim hemlock]

Because it’s an environmental asset, because it might be a part of story telling elements - there’s many ways to look at it

[dense tartan]

Well the regular army stand on the other side of bridges and have a considerable about of no mans land between them and the traitor. They could use a sniper.

[trim hemlock]

Scabs have snipers because it’s an enemy type that does something special - it decimates the players at a distance if they’re not careful/aware, but the players themselves don’t face threats designed in a way that will require a high power sniper rifle to take out, not with how diverse the class roster is anyway and how that plays into enemy design as well

[late hatch]

I see sniper rifle, I want sniper rifle

[dense tartan]

I can't argue with that.

[trim hemlock]

I don’t care about sniper rifles in the slightest, unless they offer something genuinely unique in comparison to “sniper rifles at home” and don’t promote Veteran gameplay concentrated on them staying behind 100m behind the team

[late hatch]

vet has a keystone based around standing still and shooting. If that isnt meant for a sniper then idk

[dense tartan]

I hope if they do add snipers. It acts like a rail rifle. Just flying through multiple enemies. And causing massive amounts of suppression.

[wanton dawn]

Bolter is arguably a semi-auto sniper on vet

[trim hemlock]

I don’t know which part of it is implying that you should be standing still, but there’s literally a mechanic to allow you to shoot on the move after scoring a WS hit/kill, so maybe this is something to consider

[late hatch]

snipers move between shots too

[wanton dawn]

Even in Pvp fps sniper do not stand still

Even in real life

[trim hemlock]

In that sense, Focus Target is a better marksman keystone - you designate a target, you kill it, move on to the next, no tricky trigger conditions required

I hate Focus Target, it should be removed from the game

[wanton dawn]

Focus target is fine

[trim hemlock]

I still think it’s to strong for what it is, but I’m not going to suddenly force a change to it

[wanton dawn]

Not everything needs a gimmick

[trim hemlock]

I suppose not

[hybrid token]

recons not that bad

but its certainly not the best

well

the II is

[trim hemlock]

Right, they are just the literally worst guns in the game

[late hatch]

Autopistol is pretty trash rn

[hybrid token]

Id rather have the VId over a few things

but the II is

pretty special

[late hatch]

Yeah the 6d i would say is better than most of the brautos, the autopistol, and depending on your playstyle even the HBs

I detest the sound of the HBs

plonk

[hybrid token]

VId you actually have to headshot to get most of the damage and thats not how people wanna play a gun that goes BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

so thats why they usually suck

[late hatch]

Not many guns melt crushers like the 6d with onslaught

[hybrid token]

if the VId had more ammo i think it would be pretty great tbh

because yeah it burns it lmao

[late hatch]

shock trooper + surv gives you ok efficiency, but yeah, its easy to suddenly be <50%

[trim hemlock]

It’s more of an aftershock of CIAG5 buff going through the roof with its effectiveness, but SAP is still an OK firearm for close range, especially on Zealot

(zealot has the Dance of Death skill to elevate its accuracy a hefty bit)

[late hatch]

agri 8 brauto was better last time i compared for a high mobility build, but that was a while back now

iirc it was pinning getting nerfed that took the AP down from good to very mediocre

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1208738675957956650/1222125563028836412/image.png?ex=66151420&is=66029f20&hm=55eabd9291c4122e14e08fd44573d88b1cc2daccb4a5aa2cc66d89baab6e6067&

I love this guy

lvl 800+ and just RPs as a rat

[analog mural]

Skaven in my tide game

[north cosmos]

God bless

[dawn garnet]

finally they added ratlings

[north cosmos]

Ogryn rpers carry my heart through most games

[gaunt delta]

https://tenor.com/view/the-emperors-new-groove-kronk-squirrel-talk-squeaky-gif-3569811

[agile forge]

Tbf I think that keystone isn't great for sniper style

It's an autogun keystone

[late hatch]

I usually dont take any keystone on vet, if i do its 99% weap spec

[agile forge]

Ramping inconsistent damage buffs are much better on relatively low damage per shot, high RoF weapons

[late hatch]

true that

[agile forge]

In MF's case, specifically ones with good Finesse too

It's probably designed for headhunter autoguns primarily but I love it on CIAG

[late hatch]

Maybe I should try it, been playing with the HH a bit recently

got a nice vraks 7

[agile forge]

HHs shoot quickly enough to stack fast and to help trigger movement windows

I personally prefer MF with camouflage node

10 is enough stacks

And it's better to get the rending talent from the middle tree than the silly conditional MF modifier

You keep your stacks if you crouchdodge too

So crab dance a lot

[late hatch]

https://tenor.com/view/crab-rave-happy-dance-gif-13335848

[hoary horizon]

Good to hear! Gives Ulgo more... what is word... OH! more de-term-in-ation to do it!

[north cosmos]

[hoary horizon]

[lucid pasture]

You really are the best, big man.

[hoary horizon]

Thanking you! Try bestest for lil uns!

[gusty bison]

Its not.

Its meant for high rof weapons which can get headshot hits very rapidly and thus be able to move constantly without losing stacks.

Slow rof precision weapons generally dont benefit much from it due to how breakpoints work.

[tiny summit]

Yea. Turns out the Marksman keystone is redundant for marksman weapons

[hybrid token]

if it gave bonus damage to full health enemies or something instead

then itd be a sniper keystone

[analog mural]

Ah yes my favorite sniper rifle, the revolver

[tame lodge]

My 10 MF stacks Kant shotgun

[agile forge]

ten motherfucking stacks

[vague smelt]

[agile forge]

fake +3

actually +2

do not acquire

[vague smelt]

wdymmmm

[agile forge]

75 base rating means it's not +2 stamina in practice

I have one like that because I didn't know either

if you take it to the psykhanium it'll count as a +3

if you go into a mission it's +2

[frigid grove]

What las rifle is advisable for ranged gameplay?

[agile forge]

1a for infantry lasguns

1 or 2 for hellbores

Think the 4 is also good for infantry lasguns but it's very spammy

Laspistols are also very very good if you can reliably hit heads

[trim hemlock]

me, hitting heads totally reliably:

[umbral scaffold]

The fuck is that pfp

Bruh

Heresy

[atomic zephyr]

i pulled out my 1a for the first time in a while and im honestly surprised i dont see it more

thing cleans up literally everything short of crushers

maulers too i guess, but shooting them in the flak armor still downs them decently fast

[hoary horizon]

ULGO IN PAIN

DELETED VETERAN BY ACCIDENT AAAAHHH

[trim hemlock]

FS surely can restore your character

[hoary horizon]

Am angry yes... but mood not change not allow it

[woeful junco]

Still need to craft one of those

[hoary horizon]

Dunno

[atomic zephyr]

i dont think they'll restore it

[hoary horizon]

Ulgo sad yes... but give chace for ulgo to make new character

[woeful junco]

What perks and blessings do you recommend on it?

[hoary horizon]

Maybe use professional voice

[atomic zephyr]

extremely recommend, im using a roll that hadron pranked me with and its still doing good

deadly accurate/headhunter

perks flakiac

nice and reliable lil plinker

[trim hemlock]

Well, it’s up to you, but if you feel like going back to the old Vet, be sure to make a Fatshark forum post about it

[atomic zephyr]

the higher ROF also lends itself decently well to marksmans focus

i love my professional voice, but the male cutthroat shouts make me feel things.

[hoary horizon]

Bah... dont think they can

[hoary horizon]

Agreed! Make it seem like must fighr!

[atomic zephyr]

granted, professional also has some great lines

"FOR THE GOLDEN FRAGGING THRONE" as you charge into a horde feels real nice

[trim hemlock]

Would it hurt trying, though? They restore items people delete by accident, and provide return service for cosmetic items, so restoring characters shouldn’t be out of the question

[woeful junco]

yeah the cutthroat voc lines are something else

[hoary horizon]

Will try ye

[trim hemlock]

I know of at least one instance where a lost character was returned to somebody, maybe only with no items and such, because there were some complications with returning these

[woeful junco]

they can't restore characters but they can give you a new lvl 30 character and some plasteel/diamantine to try and craft your stuff back

[atomic zephyr]

i headcannon that professionals use executioner's stance, cutthroats use shouts and loose cannons use infiltrate

just feels right

[hoary horizon]

"MAKE EM DEAD! ROIGHT HERE ROIGHT NOW

[trim hemlock]

True, that’s how I remember it was

[atomic zephyr]

isnt that cutthroat? or am i tripping

[trim hemlock]

Julia even got a shoutout one time for doing it

[woeful junco]

makes sense to me

[atomic zephyr]

im going by the fact that i can actually hear it in my head

[hoary horizon]

Is yes

Is cutthroat. Ulgo like this one

[atomic zephyr]

kinda wish fem cutthroat was more common

[hoary horizon]

Bodyguard taunt.
Bully shoots.
Brawler charge

[atomic zephyr]

she’s got a unique intonation that I really like

[terse idol]

Sevah'dah 'ead the body dies

[atomic zephyr]

checks out, makes sense

[umbral scaffold]

Womp Womp

[hoary horizon]

What womp mean?

[umbral scaffold]

@hybrid token change your pfp now

[last parcel]

[umbral scaffold]

😭

DAMN !!!!

[hoary horizon]

Dont think they will.

[final stag]

Cutthroat has an amazing drill sergeant vibe but I thin loose cannon goes to Exe because he has a voiceline speaking about disliking smoke.

[atomic zephyr]

nah, professional just feels like a classic, straightforwards shooter

[junior needle]

If you're going to click heads on things you might as well just take plasma

Also it's flak damage is god awful

[atomic zephyr]

plasma is boring

[junior needle]

Whole infantry lasgun line blows against flak

[atomic zephyr]

just click on their heads lol

[junior needle]

And helbores do basically the same thing but better

Yes, you can click their heads

But like, it's still a shit modifier

Fond memories of shooting maulers to death

[atomic zephyr]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

it is what it is

[winged warren]

is mr path online

I want to ask how does agile engagement interact with kant shotty 's fire

If I shotgun fire, then normal shot to kill one guy, switch to melee. fire gain increased damage?
If I melee kill, switch to shotgun, shotgun fire (at this point the fire should have increased damage) then i switch back to melee, bonus damage gone?

[winged warren]

idk i get sick and tired of these voice lines xd

[hoary horizon]

Can get annoying agreed

[hoary horizon]

Try on controller...

Controler not good at aiming far away

[junior needle]

Some things are iffy about interacting with dots but if it does then it should be dynamic

Perks for sure interact with dots

[junior needle]

Agile engagement doesn't work with dots, just checked

[random tulip]

Sticker when?

[frank basin]

Ask warden

[random tulip]

Dont want to disturb em

[hoary horizon]

Ulgo askes. @turbid wave this good sticker?

[turbid wave]

Pretty generic and basic but ill ask if it can be added in

[hoary horizon]

There you go little one! Ulgo helped!

[junior needle]

You can just ask for stickers? Sheit

[vague smelt]

[junior needle]

I have a suggestion

[brave sleet]

Am I the asshole taking the last heal at 10% health with no corruption while my teammate has 2 wounds and has 50% health and 50% corruption?

[junior needle]

It's a bit nuanced but at 50% your teammate is going to just die upon being downed

[vague smelt]

The answer is yes

Unless it's a confirmed team wipe

[brave sleet]

Damn alright, I will subject myself to Inquisitorial Corrections before further missions.

[tall torrent]

AE has no effect on DOT
if my document says "close dmg", "dmg" or "power", then it interacts with DOT dmg

[tall torrent]

usually yes because he's on last remaining wound

[woeful junco]

healing charges should generally go to the person who has the most corruption.

and the least amount of usable wounds remaining because of said corruption

martyrdom zealots can be totally fine at 25% hp and 50% corruption with 3 usable wounds remaining

[winged warren]

thank you catto

[tame lodge]

Remember, don't health boost him

Unless he asks for healing

[hoary horizon]

When ulgo play zealot with martydom i heal normally. It is crutch in big horde

[agile forge]

Martyrdom is just a -ve on priority

[tame lodge]

No problem, I also reset at every medstation with 4 charges or if my team is doing good

And specially if 4 corrupted wounds

[crude fiber]

I only heal if until death is on cool down or its been a rough game so far lol

For martyrdom anyway

[tame lodge]

The worst case scenario, you get trapped, pox walkers hit you (corrupting one wound), until death activates, you go down, finally revived, now you're on 1 wound without until death

[crude fiber]

I love it when until death makes me die instead of going down when im trappered

[fresh saddle]

worth upgrading? i'm not much of a PSword user

[hollow ibex]

Yes with rolling

Base stats are very good and perk is good

Having one good perk helps with the rng bullshit

[fresh saddle]

let's see if Hadron likes me today

[hollow ibex]

Good luck

[fresh saddle]

i've got Power Cycler 4, Slaughter 4, and Sunder 4

just need to decide which to use to replace Wrath

i think i can live with Bromentum 3

so that gives me flexibility with the 2nd perk to change

[hollow ibex]

Grats

Just replace elite damage and wrath

And it’s pretty much perfect

Wrath needs to be replaced by PC4

[fresh saddle]

kk

is Carapace the recommended for killing Crushers, or should i be going Maniacs?

[hollow ibex]

Either is great

Actually you can test

See if charged push attack and L3 combo can kill crushers on headshots

Might need Cara for that

[fresh saddle]

i can't seem to reliably force the push-stab

[hollow ibex]

You just charge and trigger the push attack as you would any other weapon 🤔

[raw steppe]

Hold down right click

And press left click

[fresh saddle]

might need to practice the mechanic, it feels sticky for me

sometimes it just shoves, sometimes i'll get the stab, but not the L3 strikedown

and it'll go into the diagonal slash instead

[raw steppe]

Yeah

Player skill issue

Most likely

[fresh saddle]

thx

that's with +25% carapace, doesn't seem to get the one-shot on Damnation

[raw steppe]

You should be able to hit the 2 shot

With cara and 30% weakspot on tree

[tall torrent]

Is it ok if I run 2 toughness and 1 stamina for curios

Or is the hp too low

[raw steppe]

I would do 1/1/1

But up to you

[fresh saddle]

i didn't take Precision Strikes, I've got Bring it Down

[raw steppe]

there is some combination that'll let you hit the 2shot,

with cara, 30% weakspot, 20% ogryn and 15% elite

[hollow ibex]

That’s what I normally run with VOC builds

[raw steppe]

play with it

and decide for yourself

[fresh saddle]

i can get the two-shot if I Focus Target the Crusher first

[hollow ibex]

That’s pretty good

Not hard to do

[tall torrent]

Do u ever feel like ur health is too low

[fresh saddle]

yeah, and doesn't need a complete re-write of my build

[hollow ibex]

When I’m about to die yeah

Jokes aside I like stacking tough on vet

[raw steppe]

splashing a bit of health to deal with the enemies that ignore toughness is nice to have

but if you're a god gamer

you can just ignore hp

[hollow ibex]

Don’t feel the need for hp when VOC or invis exists

[fresh saddle]

I've been running +Toughness, +3 Stam, +1 Wound

i don't like going into Damnation with only 2 wounds

[tall torrent]

I kinda just prefer toughness over health in general rn

Across all classes

[raw steppe]

that's generally the cas

the problem is

with 0 hp at all

[fresh saddle]

especially with Veterans that have Iron Will

[raw steppe]

you don't hit the poxburster breakpoint

and you instantly die to them

[tall torrent]

Wdym

[raw steppe]

poxbursters do 50 damage, and 50 corruption

[lean bloom]

It is good to improve?

[raw steppe]

which means with 150 hp, you will die without going down if you get hit by 2

[tall torrent]

Dmg & SP too low

[raw steppe]

at max hp

[tall torrent]

But unless you go to >200, that breakpoint doesn’t change

And going to 200 needs 2 health curios usually

[raw steppe]

uh no you literally just have to get to 151+ lol

[hollow ibex]

Tried to do that with zealot and ogryn but I think hp is better there

[tall torrent]

I have a +5% health from talent tree because I go for 10% melee

[fresh saddle]

stopping power too low imo

[tall torrent]

I guess I won’t need +health

[hollow ibex]

69 SP. God roll. Nice.

[raw steppe]

the other thing is

snipers

[tall torrent]

I have sniper resist

[fresh saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/nice-south-park-gif-17950420

[raw steppe]

how much

[tall torrent]

How much do I rly need

2 stacks of 20% sniper resist?

[raw steppe]

depends on your hp

[tall torrent]

Let’s say 158

[raw steppe]

snipers will do 122.5 damage baseline

[hollow ibex]

That’s what I do and it’s enough

[raw steppe]

which reduces to 98

with 1 line

you generally want to try to get the damage to about 50%

of your hp

[tall torrent]

So prob 2 sniper resist curios

If I’m running 158hp

Ok

Useful info

[raw steppe]

not sure if 158 hp is enough

[tall torrent]

Gonna put it in my guide

[raw steppe]

you might need a 5% or so

[tall torrent]

122.5 x0.8 x0.8 (x2) = 156.8

[raw steppe]

nice math bro

[lean bloom]

They should be at?

[tall torrent]

Mb

[tall torrent]

78+ for both

[raw steppe]

but that's something you need to test

you want to avoid a one-shot

at full health at 1 wound

[tall torrent]

I’m prob gonna drop the 4% ability cooldown stuff

[raw steppe]

yeah the CDR is useless

[tall torrent]

Maybe block efficiency

Because I felt like health curio just wasn’t helping me all that much

Stamina helps me pull res a bit better

[raw steppe]

the best stats imo is flat hp, flat toughness, stamina regen, sniper res

i think i run 3x hp, 3x tg, 3x stam regen

[tall torrent]

Gonna need to farm plasteel to change my curios

[hollow ibex]

I like taking gunner res because sometimes they can just be bullshit

[raw steppe]

1 line of gunner res is ok

[hollow ibex]

Less of an issue than before tho

[raw steppe]

but it's not really necessary on vet

[tall torrent]

On zealot I have 2 or 3 gunner resist

[hollow ibex]

When they used to stun lock you

[tall torrent]

Veteran I have 1 or 2 depends

[raw steppe]

ye on zealot i run 2

ogryn i run 3

vet and psyker i run 0

[tall torrent]

this looks good?

[faint violet]

LIke for me to bright.

[tall torrent]

I can change the background color

[faint violet]

If it wont be a problem.

[hollow ibex]

Think about stealing a color scheme like Dracula or Nord.

Those are really good

For dark schemes

[raw steppe]

Change wording on wound

"I recommending using +wound curios as a new player, and slowly moving away from them as you become more exp. in favor of more useful combat stats"

the worst shit that happened to one of my friends

is reading somewhere that he should never use +wounds

[hollow ibex]

Yah wound is ok for newer players

[raw steppe]

and he basically just was permanently dead

[tall torrent]

Ok

[raw steppe]

whenever we played together

and he hated the game

[hollow ibex]

Rip lol

[raw steppe]

if we were able to convince him

to use +3 wounds

he'd at least get to play

LOL

cuz my other friend does trial by fire

we always go straight into hardest diff

tactician in bg3/divinity

insane in gears

hi5stg in dt

[tall torrent]

now?

[hollow ibex]

Still think you should rip off Nord or Dracula

[tall torrent]

Too lazy

I’ll check ig

[midnight totem]

Ah gods your friend is the guy who does damnation as soon as it's unlocked

And keeps at it

[raw steppe]

i mean

he did spend 6 hours

doing the first endgame boss in runescape ironman

and we did spend 8 hours on the final boss

in gears on insane

in coop

lmfao

though that was mainly cuz of me being bad

[hollow ibex]

It’ll prob spare you some time figuring out matching colors

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dracula_(color_scheme)

For example

[tall torrent]

It’s not the matching colors I care about it’s more visual contrast I need

[raw steppe]

and now he has 80~ clears on that boss

apparently he needs 300ish more

cuz the drop he wants is 1/400

so yeah he is a sufferer

[hollow ibex]

That goes with it too. You can have too much or too little contrast

[tall torrent]

talent pages look like this rn

[raw steppe]

hmm

may i suggest something

[tall torrent]

Sure

[raw steppe]

like a separate column with the r/b/g coloring on the left

and let all the text have the same white/gray bg

so it's less cancer to read

[faint violet]

Better.

[raw steppe]

cuz rn moving from section to section makes my eyes bleed

[tall torrent]

Lemme think

Maybe I can change the word & color coding in general

[raw steppe]

like we want to keep the background coloring

but having the actual text background change

is a bit jarring

[tall torrent]

The table’s cell colors correspond to talent tree branches

That was the intention

[hollow ibex]

This is why I suggested using an existing color theme for coherence and readability 😭

[tall torrent]

I have like 18 different color codes

Nord gives me like 4

[raw steppe]

here's an example of what I mean: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nrPBmOrtpkEW1j5fbcRT7L-AXgsGOqMqxXoVtopsiGM/edit#gid=1925112187

[hollow ibex]

I get the idea behind color coding but it can get pretty messy…

[raw steppe]

it's still colored red/green/blue

but all the readable text

is under the same bg color

so going from section to section

doesnt blind you

if you scroll down

you can see the "core attribute" column

changes color

[tall torrent]

I’ll improve it later when I’m home

[raw steppe]

but yeah with the example I linked

you're still able to tell

if a set is red, blue or yellow

but readability doesn't take a hit

due to the background being consistently colored

good game btw

highly recommend

it's like $2 and about 100-150 hours of gameplay

with relatively well polished endgame systems

[tall torrent]

At least I’m prob gonna change my veteran & zealot builds to 2 toughness 1 stamina from now on

[hollow ibex]

I don’t think zealot benefits as much from stacking tough

But I’m definitely not a huge fan of zealot

[final stag]

Just tried the Rashad on the psyker
It's hilarious how it works, the only qualms I have against it is because I'm spoiled with vet and zealots attack speed buffs.

I think that really makes or break weapons. Just being able to swing your weapon faster.

[raw steppe]

nah zealot benefits a lot from stacking toughness

due to chastise restoring 50%

stamina is pretty useless on zealot tho

[final stag]

Zealot is a monster with toughness

I whole heartedly believe toughness is the best stat to increase no matter

[raw steppe]

psyker doesnt really use the generically good weapons well

because their exclusives are very overtuned

[final stag]

It does on scrier just not as well.

I just wanted to try it and it was simply hilarious

[raw steppe]

dueling swords and fs are just too broken

[white minnow]

toughness stacking also ends up being very nice on crit builds (cough cough enduring faith cough)

[final stag]

I was still pulling weight and outperforming with the Rashad

[white minnow]

and arguably zealot is the best human class to skip taking health on because you have enough hp to be comfy against bursters not corrupting a wound

though you still get corrupted by two bursters if you get hit by both inner radii

[final stag]

Zealot is just extremely strong

A good zealot saves runs

Not even cracked

Just good is enough for a zealot main to save a run. I clutched a match 3 times before mid game crescendo with zealot. We still lost. When your whole team strategy is banking in the back of a single player it's not gonna end well

[tame lodge]

Hilarious because you can have extra 20% damage at 0 stamina

[white minnow]

skirmisher but cooler

[final stag]

The 0 stamina perk low-key sucks because zealot generates stamina so fast fnnfnd

I do take the dodge talent above it though

.75 seconds for their stamina to start regenerating. Won't get much value out that 20%. Sad times.

[tame lodge]

Oh, I was replying to this, but discord said nah

[white minnow]

i like it on crusher where push-attacks are p good but otherwise i don't take desperation yeah

[vague smelt]

The Martyrdom zealot at 1 HP clutching a D-III-VII-IX-G Maelstrom

[white minnow]

even on knife, i'm usually starved for points on a crit build so it's the one thing i give up

[final stag]

Yeah you have to bank your melee on push attacks granted a good portion a weapons have a cleave push