the big problem a lot of ppl have is that the progression isn't very steady and for each individual weapon often nonlinear
#veteran-class
old quail
hearty panther
thats why the secret is to not give a fuuuuuuuck
old quail
it isn't super awesome to get 9 out of 10 of the blessings on two different tiers and still not get the one you want
copper barn
Everybody likes the system when they get good rolls. Nobody talks about liking the system after going through twenty weapons on four different characters just for a chainsword blessing.
dawn garnet
its better than nothing and i really dont think the third crafting rework is gonna make everyone happy
hearty panther
it definitely wont
late hatch
just a resource sink to get rid of a lock would solve it. that way you arent grinding to have rng waste your hours, you can reliably work towards improving your good stat roll instead of just rolling dozens of brunts to get good stat distros that then turn into bricks
old quail
this would be the first actual crafting rework
we got the system and then they made some minor adjustments in p12
hearty panther
since im sure people are expecting what josho said, which is a shorter route to 'god roll'
and i really doubt it
old quail
also i think you underestimate just how many people despise the crafting system
dawn garnet
i dont want god rolls i just trash perks fixed
like if you want an rng system then everything has to be equally good
so a player is forced to change playstyle for what gear they get
old quail
a lot of people saw all the rng tied to it, went "gacha game", and then decided they don't like it
dawn garnet
but some blessings are utter trash
hearty panther
there's other things tangentially attached to crafting that i find way more annoying than crafting itself. like not being able to craft and adjust my weapon as i am testing it in the psykhanium without incurring two load screens is fucking boggling to me lmao
late hatch
Most of my friends dropped the game when faced with the crafting system and trying to make multiple loadouts. Only a couple stuck with it coz they really love the gameplay enough to sink hundreds of hours into it
old quail
i think the easiest win is (as they said in the announcement) to make it more focused on steady progression with more clear-cut ways to earn stuff
rather than dropping a bunch of dockets/plasteel into a slot machine
dawn garnet
there's other things tangentially attached to crafting that i find way more anno...
or spending 200 plasteel to test two blessings
final stag
I looked back at the old trailer and I saw lasguns with just ironsights and I was like
Hrrrr they took out customizable weapons 😔
dawn garnet
i think the core of the issue is that the devs felt like they needed an extra hook for the game they didnt have enough faith in their gameplay
old quail
ive got like 2500 steam hours, cut off like 600 of those for afk/psykh time, and ive gotten p much everything i want
i dont really care about crafting at this point
final stag
Same
late hatch
rather than dropping a bunch of dockets/plasteel into a slot machine
Which is also attuning people who play the game to the gamba mindset.
old quail
i think the core of the issue is that the devs felt like they needed an extra ho...
nah tide games are always p solid. they did not have enough time for all the systems they wanted
the game got rushed
dawn garnet
the game is great the gameplay is great i think they just didnt believe that themselves
old quail
the 2022 crafting dev blog has a bunch of ideas that weren't in the game. i don't think they knew what they actually wanted to achieve with systems like crafting
hearty panther
people also severely overvalue the impact their weapon has for performance
final stag
Had a rough launch but a billion games have rough launches and with enough blood sweat and support get better
old quail
what couldn't've helped was the attachments system getting scrapped and them putting together stuff like weapon mks rather haphazardly
hearty panther
so that's always a sore point for players and devs who are being asked to make an intricate system for something that isn't the game's real focus to begin with
dawn garnet
people also severely overvalue the impact their weapon has for performance
not every player has formula 1 reaction times can pull their own weight with a shitty gun
hearty panther
thats not really even it lol
white minnow
that's not the point they're making
dawn garnet
you cant really make a game for the 10 people that do
hearty panther
people will call a columnus with 70% damage orll a 'bricked gun'
white minnow
they're saying that stuff like t3 blessings and imperfect stat distributions are fine
hearty panther
when 80% represent a single damage point gain
white minnow
they're NOT saying that the average player can just roll up on a grey recon on damnation
hearty panther
its incredibly dumb
late hatch
The diff between a great roll that reliably hits BPs and a crappy roll is huge. A good enough player can make crappy weapons work, but that doesnt change that the actual diff in gameplay is huge
old quail
or the stats have a handful of uses. ppl evaluate the rolls on weapons fairly poorly oftentimes
hearty panther
and everyone argues as though they need crafting to be perfected for auric level gameplay, when auric players will tell you that it's irrelevant, and 90% of the playerbase is actually in malice
dawn garnet
they're saying that stuff like t3 blessings and imperfect stat distributions are...
man t3s are fine 99% of the time assuming theyre what i want
old quail
The diff between a great roll that reliably hits BPs and a crappy roll is huge. ...
the problem is you cannot make general statements about stats evaluations because the value of them wildly swings between weapons and a lot of them don't care all that much
dawn garnet
however thrust 4 and PC4 do make a difference
old quail
but ppl will go "if anything is below 75% it's dead"
final stag
Truth
My revolver doesn't hit breakpoints unless I'm consistently juggling between my melee weapon.
I need a new revolver that isn't scuffed by rolls 😔
white minnow
you're fine with t3 stats and imperfect stat distributions
dawn garnet
yeah
old quail
it also depends on the type of weapon
white minnow
if you're not doing BP testing, i don't want to see you complaining about bad stats
old quail
rapid-fire stuff more based around TTK doesn't care about breakpoints in the slightest
hearty panther
and if you do BP testing you'll see how rare it is that a weapon needs legitimate peak damage bars to do something important
gusty bison
You can take the WORST colly IAG and do fine
dawn garnet
like the breakpoints for many stats are very small margines penetration for example 60-70% only gives you like an extra 2%
late hatch
the problem is you cannot make general statements about stats evaluations becaus...
A rashad that 1 taps bruisers and one that doesnt makes a big diff to gameplay. There are plenty of similar examples with other weapons too. Reliable 1-2 taps do make a diff
gusty bison
^
white minnow
mfs bringing up the few cases in this game
old quail
and even then u have headtaker + character talents to make up for it
hearty panther
and there's so many ways to compensate for that in your player tree anyway, it's not an instant loss
white minnow
it's not like patch 12 where a good majority of weapons were dogshit
people need to get their fucking head out of the patch 12 gutter
gusty bison
Sorry people still need their P12 shredder afk mode
hearty panther
there's just a LOT of fucking emotion around crafting, lmao
old quail
it's legitimately way less of an issue than people make it out to be on the majority of weapons
final stag
My Rashad kills like everything it's insane how strong that weapon is with the right blessings
old quail
there's one weapon with an absurdly tight BP i know of and it's the ogryn shovels on their strikedown lights
gusty bison
Crafting doesnt fucking matter except in a handful of casess. And even then theres usually ways to work around it
hearty panther
but you do progress forward as you play and it is not nearly as impactful to your play as people want to believe
old quail
because you do need 75%+ on damage/first target, infested, and 5 stacks of heavy hitter if you don't want to use really annoying conditional talent buffs
gusty bison
Might cost a few extra talent points which is "annoying" but the weapon aint bricked
white minnow
and player power level is overtuned to the point that you can DPS check the game with subpar rolls anyways
hearty panther
there's a BP for the Agrip Shotgun where you have to have 79/79 for DMG and SP or you can't 1SHS Flamers ;_;
gusty bison
there's a BP for the Agrip Shotgun where you have to have 79/79 for DMG and SP o...
Nani?
Oh wait
buckshot?
white minnow
e.g., you can legitimately just roll with a recon and be fine if you have more than 1 braincell in your body
old quail
e.g., you can legitimately just roll with a recon and be fine if you have more t...
(ignore the voidstrike psyker in the background)
gusty bison
Yea its very fringe. Esp since its the agri shotty
white minnow
(ignore the voidstrike psyker in the background)
(ignore the BB ogryn in the background)
gusty bison
Cos you have the slug and u wanna slug spam anyway
hearty panther
(ignore the background. there is only the emperor.)
dawn garnet
ignore the game just stay afk near the mission terminal
gusty bison
Frankly like
Other than the weapons that play the game for you (looking at you plasma and revolver)
weapon selection doesnt really matter as long as you know wtf you are doing with it
old quail
omw to play taxe4/recon2
gusty bison
All weapons are perfectly viable at the highest difficulties
dawn garnet
please stop looking at plasma truama and revolver theyre completely balanced and should be ignored
hearty panther
taxe4 recon2 was what i did yesterday
idk i still prefer the feel of the VId
but also i just
really miss the reverse damage fall off 😦
gusty bison
6d go brrrrrrr
Main annoyance frankly with the recon isnt even the DPS
its the ammo
hearty panther
yeah it takes a lot of trigger control
i swear 1/10 to 1/5th of all my ammo is in the bodies of already dead enemies
late hatch
Top 5% players talking about how they can make anything work doesnt change that actual good rolls with ideal blessings make a big diff, esp to fairly new players looking to push higher diff
gusty bison
If you are relying on plasma to push higher diff
you shouldnt be there
You are going to learn bad habits
And you are going to suck in the longrun
dawn garnet
if you just want to play with people who can make profanes work youll only queue up with bots 99% of the time
hearty panther
Top 5% players talking about how they can make anything work doesnt change that ...
it's a bitter pill to swallow but if you're bad at lower difficulties with a mid weapon you're going to be horrible at higher levels with a great weapon
the fundamentals are what makes the player
vague smelt
Consecrate or reroll
gleaming lynx
reroll
gusty bison
if you just want to play with people who can make profanes work youll only queue...
I mean you dont need to make EVERY weapon work
hearty panther
and you get a much better experience learning said fundamentals if you arent using a weapon that clears the screen
gusty bison
Just one that isnt the OP trio
fresh saddle
Consecrate or reroll
damage too low
dawn garnet
the fundamentals are what makes the player
youll just spend the entire game dodging blocking and dealing zero damage
vague smelt
Is its incredible how this game always dumps the best stats
late hatch
If you are relying on plasma to push higher diff
I came from hundreds of hours in vt2, I dont have problems with the combat system, and im a pretty good shooter, so again its not a big problem for me. But new people who arent gonna sink 500+ hours to get a variety of good weapons just drop the game isntead of building a good arsenal. Ive seen it too many times
gusty bison
I came from hundreds of hours in vt2, I dont have problems with the combat syste...
You dont need a good weapon
You just need an ok one
Which takes... 2 mins
hearty panther
yes but if you can survive with a rusty shank then you'll crush the game once you have that uncanny + precog knife
dawn garnet
like even if someone is alright fundimentally give them a weapon with a weird clear combo and they wont to as well with hoards
gusty bison
An ok weapon gets you 90% of the way there
dawn garnet
crutch weapons do have a place in the game like mk15 evsci
gusty bison
like even if someone is alright fundimentally give them a weapon with a weird cl...
Thats different.
A person that is inexperienced with a weapon is going to do poorly
Even the top 5%
with experience comes skill
hearty panther
and yes, a bad weapon will clear slower than a good weapon, but the game isn't run on a limited clock, so ...
fresh saddle
You dont need a good weapon
for players with good mechanical ability
he's not talking about players that have that skill, he's talking about other folks and new people getting into the game
late hatch
Its like a top few % tarky player running off meta weapons and making them work due to incredible levels of map knowledge and godlike aim. But for your average player running similar off meta is going to drop their surv rate to sub 30%
gusty bison
for players with good mechanical ability
he's not talking about players that ha...
Im talking about avg players too
dawn garnet
and yes, a bad weapon will clear slower than a good weapon, but the game isn't r...
everyone has to pee at some point 
gusty bison
crutch weapons dont make you better
final stag
Each time I see a Psword or plasma vet get turned into a fine red paste when a crusher approaches them
gusty bison
And in fact crutch weapons will slow down your own skill progression
fresh saddle
crutch weapons dont make you better
they don't make a player mechanically more skillful, you are right
but the word "crutch" is right there, they prop up poor performers
dawn garnet
man i got yelled at by an ogryn for "pulling the boss to them"
gusty bison
they don't make a player mechanically more skillful, you are right
but the word...
hey dont prop up poor performers
late hatch
Like watching Hikaru playing troll openings in high elo chess and crushing great players, coz he is one of the best in the world. doesnt mean that normal players should pick up these bad openings
gusty bison
Instead they give the "illusion" of doing fine
dawn garnet
i told them block they said "i cant block with this build"
gusty bison
When you are still crumpling under the pressure situations
final stag
those were funny times
Or when you couldn't dodge melee with a ranged weapon
dawn garnet
i swear some ogryns legit think they can only block with shield
gusty bison
Like watching Hikaru playing troll openings in high elo chess and crushing great...
Thats cos good openings teach good fundamentals
Plasma does NOT
late hatch
i swear some ogryns legit think they can only block with shield
its pretty amazing how many games you get people with >1k damage taken and 0 attacks blocked
gleaming lynx
man i got yelled at by an ogryn for "pulling the boss to them"
can't believe you let your stealth crit ogryn down like that
hearty panther
the old BM CAxes also did not teach players anything
you could stand in one place and control a horde, and people were under the illusion that they were clearing it quickly
final stag
I avoided the Psword like thr plague
hearty panther
you were just doing it with exceptional safety
gleaming lynx
what's wrong with the power sword?
hearty panther
and all at the low cost of clicking mouse 1 occasionally
final stag
In the beta I knew it was the best weapon I used it but fuck I hated it. So I used the shovel exclusively.
hearty panther
yea PSword was absolutely busted
final stag
It was so overpowered
It was actually boring
hearty panther
same with caxe
gleaming lynx
Try shovelling shit with a power sword, now there's a challenge
hearty panther
i still stick to Decimator + Headtaker lol
dawn garnet
i should steal a screenshot of a godrolled psword and bitch in the forum if it gets nerfed again
fresh saddle
When you are still crumpling under the pressure situations
take two new ogryns, with roughly same mechanical ability
give one of them Bull Butcher Mk 3 cleaver, give the other one Power Maul
guarantee you one of them will perform better than the other
"crutch" weapons aren't growing the player's ability, but they absolutely can make a difference in performance
dawn garnet
THIS TOOK ME 80K PLASTEEL FATSHARK PLEASE
hearty panther
i mean butcher oggy will kill a lot of things and make an impressive scoreboard
but dude with the powermaul will actually win the game when the chips are down
final stag
Teach butcher ogryn how to combo
final stag
It's surprising how many people haven't learned combos and just light spam into a horde
fresh saddle
no i'm talking two new players in this hypothetical lol yes
gleaming lynx
take two new ogryns, with roughly same mechanical ability
give one of them Bull...
i swear power maul is underrated
hearty panther
the issue is some weapons can elevate a player like that so much that they will remain bad
gleaming lynx
i was playing with one yesterday just coz big E gifted it and I was leveling new Ogryn, and the crowd control on it was insane
final stag
Power maul is pretty bad bit it can stunlock groups of crushers I believe
hearty panther
so in this case the one learning the powermaul will pick up on fundamentals to make his weapon work and become better
fresh saddle
yes
hearty panther
oggy with the cleaver is going to mostly left click forever because it works 99% of the time
and just rebuke the game the 1% of the time it doesnt
fresh saddle
exactly yes
hearty panther
and we had a lot of weapons doing that at the start of DT
OG Power Sword, Autopistol, BM Caxe, Flamer
agile forge
Tbh when do you not light spam on BB unless you're heavy hitter
hearty panther
players were performing at Damn (then peak difficulty, sad times) who were objectively shiiiiiiiit at the game
like could not dodge a trapper net on soundcue
but you roll through so much flesh it didnt really matter
final stag
Tbh when do you not light spam on BB unless you're heavy hitter
I use hebys because cleaving through targets and toughness generate
agile forge
everyone has to pee at some point <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
Get a catheter or you are a fucking scrub.
gleaming lynx
Get a catheter or you are a fucking scrub.
real OGs use diapers bro
fresh saddle
real OGs use diapers bro
just play on a toilet scrub
gleaming lynx
my hemorrhoids beg me not to
final stag
I am not the biggest fan of light spamming unless the weapon actually has no cleaving heavies
agile forge
my hemorrhoids beg me not to
Once again the weakness of flesh disgusts me
final stag
If all the heavies are strike down it kind of makes me sad
agile forge
I am not the biggest fan of light spamming unless the weapon actually has no cle...
OK is there some fundamental I'm missing here
dawn garnet
Get a catheter or you are a fucking scrub.
I kneel...... this is what the top 10% of players have to dealwith to clutch games
agile forge
Are all lights target capped or something?
final stag
Lights just have weird trajectories
agile forge
Varies from attack to attack does it not?
Evis XV lights are lovely and horizontal (just target capped)
final stag
Not a big fan of that weapon because of that
I want to hit as many enemies as possible and cause damage.
I use lights as a combo restart
agile forge
I always liked heavies being for single target so XV feels great for me
hearty panther
you stagger so much shit with the XV
final stag
Eh fair. To each their own. I like my melee weapons to usually be able to cleave through hordes with a combo
Get rid of them faster.
hearty panther
i dont really mind that it's target capped becuase those mfers will be waiting in line for their turn anyway
final stag
There's some weapons where light spamming is kind of enforced in the attack pattern.
But the bull butcher kind of shines with its heavy light combo because it comes out so fast, kills just as quick and can cleave multiple enemies. Along with stun lock groups of em and generate a lot of toughness and bleed for TDR
agile forge
XV is slow but safe
agile forge
There's some weapons where light spamming is kind of enforced in the attack patt...
But then why not use the IV
hearty panther
thats why i run it with martyrdom and dash for 60% extra attack speed
now it is fast and unsafe
agile forge
XV is like a safe, easy, less spectacular thunderhammer
final stag
But then why not use the IV
Why not learn combos on some weapons. Not a lot of then have em but the ones that do kind of fuck.
agile forge
It's the same combo, just then IV has an actual single target combo too
final stag
That's the big knife right?
agile forge
The stabby one
final stag
I use that one mainly to be fair
agile forge
Yeah I got to that point too
final stag
I'm just saying the bull butcher has that cleave combo.
The IV is better because of the single target combo and push light heavy combo
But then there's the argument from mainly people why not use the shit shovel does all of the things too and it's because the shit shovel doesn't feel like it's killing shit as fast fndndn
fresh saddle
i used the oggy mk 3 shovel as my main melee until the flip-shovels came along
now i love my mk 5 
final stag
The shit shovel with the brainer 3000
dire olive
late hatch
BONK
umbral scaffold
idk tigrus mk VI is shit and mk 3 is good? can't sort it out
hearty panther
tigrus what
gleaming lynx
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046913589614747719/1194646351741468672...
WAT
white minnow
the railgun
brutal momentum means that you carry your first-target damage over to the next target (up to 4 targets) on a weakspot kill
so if you are able to one-shot 1 crusher, you can potentially one-shot 4 crushers
gleaming lynx
What's the best weapon to get BONK action like that? One of the shovels?
late hatch
What's the best weapon to get BONK action like that? One of the shovels?
the new shovels for vet and ogryn with activation
vet best is mk7, i cant remember the mk for ogryn off the top of my head
finite hawk
i swear some ogryns legit think they can only block with shield
I'm actually the opposite, I'm so used to using the shield, I sometimes try to blocks gunners with my shovel/club... 
dawn garnet
lmao
gleaming lynx
I'm actually the opposite, I'm so used to using the shield, I sometimes try to b...
tbf the shovel is really a smaller shield on a stick
umbral scaffold
tigrus what
the fucking 2 handed chainsword
finite hawk
the fucking 2 handed chainsword
well the eviscerator has a mark II and a mark XV, so not sure what you were talking about lol
umbral scaffold
well the eviscerator has a mark II and a mark XV, so not sure what you were talk...
wait
late hatch
Might as well roll them both to at least blue, depending on how good your colelction is already
vague smelt
Sure
late hatch
are you going for good or really just aiming for godrolls?
vague smelt
Well
I always aim for the most efficient
So
you can imagine
I'll consecrate both
and we'll see
late hatch
yeah take them to blue or purple and then you can see if they are bricked
vague smelt
The one with less charge rate
late hatch
blaze is good, reload is dead
late hatch
yeah unfortunately its a brick
vague smelt
And this one's even worse
late hatch
you could still go for gold and pray you get another good roll and then its possible to salvage
vague smelt
Perks I'm assuming armor types
I never used this gun yet
Yes I'm just trying to get the best before even starting that's how I am
Flak/Elites ?
Or Flak/X
Wait let me try this weapon first
Eh...what's the alt for?
late hatch
glory hunter is another great blessing. for perks you can go cara then um i think the bis is either elites or unyeilding. im not super into the plasma so i cant remember bis atm
alt is vent, trade toughness for cooling off
late hatch
reloading vents but takes forever, you want to vent to avoid exploding yourself
if you hit max heat you go boom
wanton dawn
Congrats
vague smelt
Self damage on max overheat?
wanton dawn
Double free perks is great
late hatch
Self damage on max overheat?
like a psyker going over peril
wanton dawn
Especially on plasma
late hatch
you dead
vague smelt
Hmmmmm
wanton dawn
In any case, here's how to play plasma like a pro
vague smelt
Well with this I currently I 2 shot a crusher
wanton dawn
Dont use righr click
umbral scaffold
well the eviscerator has a mark II and a mark XV, so not sure what you were talk...
this shit...vs
vague smelt
Dont use righr click
Never?
umbral scaffold
....this shit
late hatch
rclick does let you overpen cover and walls, but in vast majority you do not use it
vague smelt
it's niche?
late hatch
you can kill things behind spawn doors with rclick charge, and pen walls and cover. but its very bad ammo efficiency
wanton dawn
Not with left click
wanton dawn
Right click has a LOT of drawbacks
vague smelt
And do I hold alt to vent? or what
wanton dawn
Yeah, you do
wanton dawn
It is broken. Fun is eh, can get old
late hatch
plasma has basically infinite cleave. if you line up enough enemies you can just pop them all
wanton dawn
Except on no ammo maelstrom: it is part of the broken combo
vague smelt
why sometimes it gives me 1 or 2
tall torrent
why sometimes it gives me 1 or 2
If u gain 1% of 150 ammo (1.5), it rounds down to 1 but keeps the decimal for future gains
vague smelt
Hmmmm I see
tall torrent
So the second 1.5 gets the first’s 0.5 and becomes 2
wanton dawn
The balance for low ammo gun
vague smelt
I have 132/165
I see
So for perks?
Best is Flak
and..Elites or Maniac?
Caparace I can just
2 shot a crusher
wanton dawn
Carapace, flak, elite, maniac, unarmored...
grim widget
how badly do you think this game's garbage rng is about to fuck up this weapon
vague smelt
Carapace, flak, elite, maniac, unarmored...
Why unarmored
wanton dawn
Unyielding
finite hawk
this shit...vs
you'll probably be better off asking in the Zealot channel, but from my understanding the mk II has better horde clear with the right blessings, while the XV is easier to use and has a very strong single target (and is a great boss killer) but a hard cap of 4 targets on its wide swings; I still prefer the XV myself
vague smelt
how badly do you think this game's garbage rng is about to fuck up this weapon
I got lucky with the blessings
look at the previous post
above
arctic rampart
how'd it work out, @grim widget ? also I think I played a game with you yesterday
wanton dawn
Why unarmored
Easier OS on dreg elite
vague smelt
Easier OS on dreg elite
OS?
wanton dawn
One shot
late hatch
one shot
grim widget
@arctic rampart logging in to upgrade it. had some clutch games yesterday, gg dude.
vague smelt
Only for gunners though
well
considering I have 2 free perks
I can change it at any time
wanton dawn
Exactly
wanton dawn
Yup. One vent tick
vague smelt
I mean I can just stop by myself I see the gauge in front of me
wanton dawn
Better to vent manually though
arctic rampart
@grim widget no matter what the blue and purple is, you must upgrade it to orange and post the result lul
tall torrent
So for perks?
elite + flak
tall torrent
dmg 78+
SP 78+
Thermal resist 69+
Ammo 60+
elite & flak
gets hot + gloryhunter/blaze away
grim widget
voltaile is a shit tier blessing on the plasma gun right
tall torrent
volatile & shattering not good
tall torrent
gets hot has best value overall because crits give u bodyshot 1 tap on a lot of enemies for extra consistency
blaze away is nice for magdump
gloryhunter is good for team support with born leader
grim widget
so surprise surprise, the gun turned out garbage just like i knew it fuckin would. fuck this garbage ass game lol
tall torrent
so surprise surprise, the gun turned out garbage just like i knew it fuckin woul...
it's fine
late hatch
so surprise surprise, the gun turned out garbage just like i knew it fuckin woul...
wait and pray the crafting rework is good
tall torrent
plasma relies more on perks than blessings
arctic rampart
its usable, keep gets hot & flak.
its not ideal its middle tier
its not as good as this one obviously though
late hatch
mid roll on one of the most godlike weapons
tall torrent
ideally ur looking for smth that looks like this
vague smelt
How does someone get a Tier II blessing on transcendent
grim widget
fatshark can suck my fatnuts honestly
crude fiber
imagine not having a 0% in damage
grim widget
crafting rework these balls assholes
crude fiber
how embarrasing
tall torrent
How does someone get a Tier II blessing on transcendent
buying off brunt's requisition
as a blue item
arctic rampart
is thre a mod that sells brunt failures under X base atributes. like if I want to sell anything under 365
tall torrent
dmg 78+
SP 78+
Thermal resist 69+
Ammo 60+
elite & flak
gets hot + gloryhunter/b...
@vague smelt
arctic rampart
but dont want to sit there holding X to sell
wanton dawn
So..how do you build with the plasma
2s i'll send you a build
finite hawk
is thre a mod that sells brunt failures under X base atributes. like if I want ...
Barter at Once
wanton dawn
One free point
vague smelt
30/30
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/956079597936607285/1220740032315523...
Why all of them are highlighted
Wait
I need glasses
vague smelt
One free point
I could use this for demolition build
wanton dawn
Both build are very similar. Mine is more ranged oriented
tall torrent
yea I got 10% melee dmg cuz I play rashad
if u play power sword or shovel u can grab longshot since u prob won't need that 10% melee dmg for BP
wanton dawn
For no ammo maelstrom i take twin nade
lyric dock
After a few games. I really like Stealth as a ability
wanton dawn
I actually enjoy twin on this build
arctic rampart
voice of command is just too amazing atm though. but stealth does look fun
lyric dock
I run VOC on most of my builds and I decided for my Revolver vet build to run stealth to see how it plays out
tall torrent
figured I could change page color and it applies to pdf file too
vague smelt
One free point
Hmm I like how that 20% makes the plasma even more busted
tall torrent
Hmm I like how that 20% makes the plasma even more busted
longshot?
ur usually not getting full 20% from longshot lol
it's +1~20% from 8~36m
wanton dawn
ur usually not getting full 20% from longshot lol
You dont need full value
arctic rampart
hhow muhc hadron gonna screw me over 😄
tall torrent
yea it's just for better 1 tap consistency
vague smelt
And what about the powersword
I have this one
which is yet to receive a better blessing
arctic rampart
yup bricked
vague smelt
You can make it work
sinful palm
hhow muhc hadron gonna screw me over 😄
Better wait 1 more week to see what they are doing with the upgrade stuff
wanton dawn
which is yet to receive a better blessing
Save for pc4
vague smelt
just change volatile and the perk
sinful palm
Rip
arctic rampart
yeah its fine, but I have a bm4 one lul
trying to get actual godroll when you got almost perfect already sux.. what a grind
vague smelt
What's Sway Reduction
tall torrent
What's Sway Reduction
weapon sight sway when u aim down sights
dark mode looks nice
lyric dock
yup bricked
Wouldn't call it bricked. Replace Groaners for unyeilding, and Volatile for something else and it is workable
umbral scaffold
you'll probably be better off asking in the Zealot channel, but from my understa...
idk, the bigger one seems has a lot of hit reg, weird move pattern and overall shite weapon to me.....idk i see so many ppl running it, may be specific for cleraing ragers cuz at that is good....everything else trash
lyric dock
It is worth noting with the plasma
You Only explode firing a charge shot from 100%
If you do a normal shot. You'll cool the weapon down by 2? ticks and then you can fire
vague smelt
It'll just stop and reduce it to 80%
lyric dock
Another thing is before: Killing a elite with the over heated plasma once count for getting the Psyker's going out with a bang
But that has since been patched out
vague smelt
Imma try this gun
tame lodge
idk, the bigger one seems has a lot of hit reg, weird move pattern and overall s...
Both needs three heavies to kill ragers
However
The mk 15 needs one revved heavy
Considering you don't have bloodletter
A revved light will go past 4 targets
civic knot
Does the stat power include finesse, and therefore attack speed increase?
tame lodge
A revved light will go past 4 targets
This is where the fun begins
BLOODTHIRSTY
Just special attack away
rose ingot
white minnow
chords have pretty good cleave damage distributions and are one of the few weapons that maintain their full weakspot/crit multipliers through multiiple targets hit
one of the best horde mulcher melees
odd sparrow
Chainsword feels a little underwhelming to use
apparently the strat is just to mash lights
and build it to optimize that
umbral scaffold
Sounds good I have rampage and savage sweep on mine
Flak and carapace for perks
I’m not home can’t post my stats
One thing I don’t like is how chords don’t stagger crushers anymore. I don’t know man if someone was ripping through my brain with a chainsaw I’d probably be staggered
frank monolith
quick question, does the yellow perk in the skil;l tree stack with another person
final stag
No
Aura perks don't stack
So 2 survivalists won't give you 2%ammo (though the base survivalist will stack turning it to 1.25%)
lyric dock
It's better to have diverse auras when possible
But that assumes the team spends most of the time together
Which YMMV with pub lobbies
hollow ibex
nice
maybe make the graph lines a bit thinner since you're also using the glow now
dark mode masterrace
tall torrent
maybe make the graph lines a bit thinner since you're also using the glow now
I kinda like this glow thicker look tbh
there aren't many options for dark background in chart
hollow ibex
I kinda like this glow thicker look tbh
i was just talking about the lines themselves, rather than the glow effect
hollow ibex
thicc
agile forge
apparently the strat is just to mash lights
I think that's true for XIIIg but not really for the IV
IV does heavies for crowds I think, and I think there's a more advanced combo which is mostly heavies with a light mixed in
tall torrent
IV does heavies for crowds I think, and I think there's a more advanced combo wh...
yes
[H1 > L2/H2 > L3 > H0]
low oar
Anyone have fun build ideas teetering on throwing?
umbral scaffold
the pile of trash lags today....what is going on?
dreamy spade
Does deadshot work really well if you have max stamina perks?
lyric dock
It gives you more benefits with the crits before running out of Steam
hollow ibex
better on slower firing guns tbh
unless you decide to meme with CIAG + 9 stam curios
somber axle
Stamina perks on weapons are not worth imo. Getting 1 or 2 curios with +3 Stam and Stam regen should be enough unless you want to go all out on three curios for +9 Stam and go overkill
Grab Duck and Dive too for sure for quick Stam regen during dodges
hollow ibex
Stamina perks on weapons are not worth imo. Getting 1 or 2 curios with +3 Stam a...
yeah stam perks on weapons are definitely a bad idea
lyric dock
Only time you accept them is because Hadron is being Nice while she bricks your weapon
Would rather take +Poxwalker over +Stamina
vague smelt
Welp
I wonder what "changes" they'll bring to their rng system
tbh they should just remove the very useless ones or make the useless ones not so useless
Groaners and Poxwalkers should be merged with infested imo
lyric dock
Even if the change is "No more locks, but the price to fix your weapon is higher" would be a emperor send
somber axle
Even if you're using CIAG or Recon VI with Deadshot there are much better perk choices (unless Hadron hands you a brick and you have no choice like iKou said)
vague smelt
My question is
about their customization system
If it's done and ready but
turned off
why is the reason is still locked for us
balance reasons?
aka sights on broken weapons
I don't like dogpiling on devs because decisions are done for a reason, I just dislike when they go radio silent and don't give any explanation
somber axle
My tinfoil hat theory is that they are saving it as a possible "break in case we really need money" glass box to shatter in combination with some cosmetics to pull player numbers up
white minnow
cuz it isn't done and ready
terse idol
aka sights on broken weapons
probably just not done yet
Like there's no indication any of it's ready to be added onto any weapon besides the weapon customization mod
Which I will say
Has alotta bugs
vague smelt
@wanton dawn the plasma gun is so fun
There's 0 brain is just shoot the laser and see 10 maulers die
wanton dawn
Yes it is
wanton dawn
Flesh tearer is not great. Mercy killer can be used with the serrated bleed talent
vague smelt
which blessing should I rip first
wanton dawn
Take mercy killer
halcyon yarrow
Any vets on here that can help me with the Overwatch pen
acoustic wharf
hello, I am new to the game and i was wondering what the best selection for the talent tree for a damage dealer build. Any advice would be appreciated.
wanton dawn
hello, I am new to the game and i was wondering what the best selection for the ...
If you are below lvl 30 there is little reason to optimize your build yet
Build making advice are not good if given too early
wise fossil
So hit detection was extremely spotty for me last night using the ciag. It seems like faster firing weapons have it worse?
odd sparrow
hello, I am new to the game and i was wondering what the best selection for the ...
generally ranged dmg is on the left, tankyness/support/nades middle, and mobility/melee dmg is on the right
wise fossil
hello, I am new to the game and i was wondering what the best selection for the ...
Most high level vet builds look something like this
Then pick your poison at the bottom of the tree. Notably you'll want at least one of the two stamina regeneration delay nodes and at least one of the +25 toughness nodes
acoustic wharf
thank you all for your help.
terse idol
Then pick your poison at the bottom of the tree. Notably you'll want at least on...
Oh come on
Focus target
Smmmh
final stag
Homkes missing 14 talent points
wise fossil
Oh come on
What?
terse idol
No keystones isn't like commoonn
wise fossil
pick your poison at the bottom of the tree
final stag
Bottom talents are the besr
wanton dawn
HOY
I REALIZE SOMETHING
Power_DI saves the talent tree and weapon of all ppl
Also look what I played with
bitter turtle
honestly
ive seen worse
at leaset they got grenade stockpile
wait
its smokes
wanton dawn
Yeah, the map was very smoky
final stag
Why would you get smoke without grenade stockpile. Wasting everyone's grenade refill with smokes 💀
final stag
Also look what I played with
Honestly I just use the 50% tdr from leaving stealth. It'll at least save my squishy teammates from being targeted over me.
warm olive
its smokes
what do smoke grenade do exactly btw?
hollow ibex
vape nation
warm olive
vape nation
do they atleast make gunners stop shooting lmao?
tame lodge
Yes
hollow ibex
do they atleast make gunners stop shooting lmao?
yeah they're kinda like a bubble shield now that's better against ranged
but doesn't give toughness regen and blocks visibility
hollow ibex
yeah they're ok now
final stag
I just use exe with smokes if I'm running em
hollow ibex
no longer the meme they used to be
final stag
Infil with smokes is wild however jfjfj
wanton dawn
Note that the build in question did not perform that well
I was more interested in the bolter guy that killed all boss in seconds
Twas a nice build
wanton dawn
I've yet to be impressed by a smoke user
Well, TBF I saw the smoke this game
I was just not impressed
final stag
I use it with a support exe type build
Highlight for teammates so gunners become a minor nuisance
But I'd rather take shredders over smokes any day of the week
Hell I'd take krak over the smokes any day of the week too
At least kraks deal damage
tame lodge
I've yet to be impressed by a smoke user
I could be that smoker
Haha just kidding
unless
umbral scaffold
Most high level vet builds look something like this
true.....i'll say 'all the working ones' more than 'most'🤣
stuff in those nodes are just too good to pass
wise fossil
Well he did ask for 'best'
Our feeble minds crumble when looking at the horror of some builds people try to run at high difficulty
umbral scaffold
Well he did ask for 'best'
also lately i'm really starting to digging focus target more over WS, i've came to the conclusion that zealot is just plain better to a similar WS playstyle
odd sparrow
weapon specialist does have pretty major synergy with revolver
umbral scaffold
so basically is that build with focus target and just a couple of variable nodes depending on the ranged you are using
odd sparrow
getting that 100% crit chance is real good
and being able to reload just by swapping
very nice for a melee centric playstyle
umbral scaffold
weapon specialist does have pretty major synergy with revolver
problem is revolver is just meh with vet, is good on zealot (or maybe the standard on zealot) but on vet is just a worse plasma gun
odd sparrow
its worse in raw power, but having instant draw speed can be pretty practical if you're more melee focused
obviously plasma vet with VoC is easily the most optimal build
umbral scaffold
its worse in raw power, but having instant draw speed can be pretty practical if...
you get the most out that build with columnus though....try it, i've fucked around a lot with WS (it's still more shooting than meleeing)
odd sparrow
i prefer executioners with columnus
my revolver build is like 80% melee 20% shooting
also the crit bonus from WS is only on the first shot
umbral scaffold
with vet revolver i've done some crazy shit with FT
umbral scaffold
also the crit bonus from WS is only on the first shot
it's a burst u get at close range
tall torrent
which is better value with revolver
Weapon specialist
winter grove
Say, what would you consider the worst gun?
tame lodge
As in with WS or overall?
final stag
What you mean WS is mid compared to zealot. I outperform every zealot I play with who is just average at the game with WS with revolver and Rashad.
Of course a good zealot will always be a melee powerhouse but that's just zealot things
brave sleet
What does Impact mean for Hammerblow blessing?
wanton dawn
Say, what would you consider the worst gun?
besides recon 2 ?
final stag
All the recons ong
wanton dawn
Not sure
winter grove
Ehhhhhh
somber axle
Kantrael and Agripina pattern shotguns are leagues better
tame lodge
What, really?
wanton dawn
MGXII is pretty bad rn
somber axle
Lawbringer has one gimmick and that's man cleaver blessing to evaporate hordes
Otherwise very pitiful damage compared to the other shotguns
wanton dawn
graia inf autogun is pretty meh when i tested it
midnight totem
lawbringer's special fire should just be
a double shot
with enhanced close range damage
wanton dawn
autopistol is also very bad
somber axle
Agripina Shotgun is fun for slug shot and feels like a lever action rifle that you can turn into a semi-auto rifle in a panic situation
midnight totem
double barrel that shit
somber axle
Kantrael has really high damage per shot and special fire is the fiery shot iirc
tame lodge
Law has more ammo than Kant and more normal damage than Agri
somber axle
Very versatile shotgun
midnight totem
tame lodge
The drawback with Kant is spread
midnight totem
should be lawbringer in a nutshell
tame lodge
The drawback with Kant is spread
Which is actually good to inflict fire from distance
midnight totem
whatever you shoot it at in close quarters, blow it the fuck away
winter grove
Kantrael has really high damage per shot and special fire is the fiery shot iirc
Kantrael is for zealots
I use agri for WS
tame lodge
But do you know who else is good for shooting special ammo from distance?
somber axle
Kantrael is for zealots
Definitely feels better on Zealot but I've had fun with it on my Vet too
winter grove
But do you know who else is good for shooting special ammo from distance?
Vet is kinda best at it
Unironically
tame lodge
I know, aim for the head. Zelly has the purge passive
winter grove
Click head, life's good
somber axle
Agripina Shotgun is my fav for Full Bore IV and No Respite IV blessings with the slug shot. Lining up heads and one tapping things is magical
Plus I remember using it to bully Crushers pretty effectively too (though revolver and plasma still do the best jobs at deleting them)
tame lodge
Respectfully, I still disagree that Lawbringer is bad
somber axle
It's ok but just not good compared to the other shotguns, let alone the other guns for what it does best
Recon II is still the worst gun no contest but Lawbringer would probably be in my bottom 5 guns, maybe bottom 3
midnight totem
fix lawbringer by giving it double shot as a special
tame lodge
Personally, I place the Lawbringer above the Agri
midnight totem
-double barrel, double barrel- chants and bangs table
somber axle
If I could change Lawbringer I'd double down on using its higher ammo count by changing it to be the fastest firing and fastest reloading of the shotguns. Make it an automatic shotgun vs the other variants being semi-auto shotguns and make it a fun bursty weapon that vomits rapid-fire lead for funny Onslaught synergy
Double barrel special shot sounds very fun too though
Sets it apart from the Braced Autos and Infantry Autos by having wild shotgun spreadshot and the drawback is unloading a full volley means taking time to reload every shot before you can do it again
tame lodge
Both Vet and Zealot has ways of increasing reload speed
somber axle
Yeah and the shotguns still feel pretty underwhelming compared to the power houses of revolver, plasma for how long it takes to reload from empty back to full with how much weaker they are by comparison
Probably not fair to compare them to plasma but they do feel comparable to revolver
And aside from Lawbringer Man-Stopper cleave deleting hordes with its special horizontal shot it falls so short compared to revolver against anything else
final stag
Both Vet and Zealot has ways of increasing reload speed
Vet has a ton of them however
It's impractical to use them all but you can get like upwards of like, 70% reload speed.
75% maybe
final latch
Vet has a ton of them however
It's impractical to use them all but you can get ...
impractical is not a word that exist
the word is funny
final stag
Truth
Funni
Put that on a plasma gun and see your character reload at top speeds
Hell add another 10% as a gun perk for 85%
stone tapir
are there any good bolter talent trees or is it just too scuffed to be bothered with
final stag
Veteran can make any gun go up 2 spots on a tier list.
low oar
Well yeah. THat's what happens when you have a ranged class using ranged weapons
final stag
The bolter isn't a bad weapon just has a long take out time and sluggish reload.
There's way to circumvent those weaknesses such as exe stance and it's many reload talents. You want surgical since it is a primarily finesse weapon funnily enough.
final stag
Well yeah. THat's what happens when you have a ranged class using ranged weapons
I mean you can turn the ranged archetype into a melee powerhouse too. Won't be outperforming a zealot or ogryn but you'll be a menace at all spots so.
low oar
Mostly because power sword is dumb, and the shout makes up for its flaws
final stag
I run infil and Rashad. You don't need a power sword. Hell I used the knife for awhile too.
late hatch
mk7 shovel bonks hard
final stag
Shovels fuck
stone tapir
its chainsword for me
late hatch
can 1 tap anything besides bosses with the right setup
final stag
See
Everyone doesn't use exclusively the psword for a melee vet. You can still be a powerhouse without it. Plus psword overrated
stone tapir
bleed nades with a bleed stack chainsword, mmmm watch the blood rain
tame lodge
I mean you can turn the ranged archetype into a melee powerhouse too. Won't be o...
Can't believe vet has crit chance go up by just spamming lights
final stag
No matter what route you go with vet, they usually give some good buffs to the team
late hatch
Why do so many redditors just want to lose karma? Like its all fine to disagree, but when someone disagrees and downvotes your comment, do they really think I wont just downvote theirs? We both lose karma, instead of just being able to hold diff opinions 
Karma neutral difference of opinion or both lose karma...
tame lodge
serene bough
what does karma do
final stag
No idea to tell the truth
late hatch
what does karma do
There are many subs where you need a min karma to be able to post or even comment. And it lends a certain credibility to you if you do have good karma
serene bough
sounds like a lot of circle jerkin to me
late hatch
no its a way of filtering out trolls and fresh alts made just to circlejerk and updoot themselves
there is an element of idiocy to it, but what part of humanity doesnt have a tinge of that?
There are a lot of really good subs with heaps of useful discussions on things like diy, gardening, investing, local meetup and event groups, etc, that have a decent min karma to participate
hollow ibex
i've been on reddit for nearly a decade, and the site has just been consistently going downhill
i don't even bother engaging with it anymore
it's just somewhere to brainlessly scroll
serene bough
There are a lot of really good subs with heaps of useful discussions on things l...
makes sense
hollow ibex
the audience is captive as fuck, which is the main thing keeping it going
late hatch
i've been on reddit for nearly a decade, and the site has just been consistently...
Becoming mainstream often does do that. The amount of farming accounts is pretty crazy sometimes.
hollow ibex
yeah though part of it is also corporate greed
the enshittification is real with rddt
stone tapir
having used CIAG after a couple days, it is now a favorite weapon of mine
serene bough
i prefer mg4 las
tame lodge
Can't go wrong with hellbore mk3
late hatch
Ive been having a bit of fun with headhunter last few days
tame lodge
Skill issue
hollow ibex
Can't go wrong with hellbore mk3
wuss bayonet slash thingy vs. chad precision bayonet stab
floral crow
It feels weird being a level 30 veteran 
junior needle
i've been on reddit for nearly a decade, and the site has just been consistently...
It allows for some really dystopian moderation, and lot of the sites content is now bots/astroturfing
hollow ibex
It allows for some really dystopian moderation, and lot of the sites content is ...
yeah the moderating issue is real, though similar to discord honestly
bot/astroturfing is indeed a real issue as well
junior needle
Internet moderator positions generally attract unsavory people
As with any position of power
But you have moderators in major subreddits just arbitrarily banning people for anything
Holding any opinion that the moderator doesn’t like means ban
late hatch
Internet moderator positions generally attract unsavory people
On the flipside, I moderated a discord server with >2500 members and the amount of trash you have to deal with starts to grate after a while. People whinge about you enforcing rules, people try to edge the rules and soft troll you for banning their mate, etc. If you give multiple warnings people think you are soft. If you warn once then hammer them they complain about not getting a fair shake. It can be hell
junior needle
On the flipside, I moderated a discord server with >2500 members and the amount ...
Oh I agree, anything where you have to regularly interact with the general populace is undoubtedly grating. But it's a voluntary position, and there's a difference between enforcing clearly stated rules and just permanently banning people for the unspoken rule of taking a position the moderator just doesn't like.
A good example is a few of the mtg subreddits, which are run by ideological power trippers
You could get banned for mentioning proxies, or criticizing the game company
late hatch
Yeah there are more than a few subreddits where you cannot step outside the echo chamber or its an instant ban
both 2x and the mra subs are so ridiculous
junior needle
I don't know what those are
But there's also an issue of false flagging and agitators
And unfortunately no real way to deal with it
tall torrent
What’s mtg
late hatch
2x chomosomes is a womens sub for complaining about how all men are trash and how unfair the world is. Mens Rights is the same but for men
junior needle
What’s mtg
magic the gathering
tall torrent
Yea I’ve heard about it
junior needle
Yeah some of the cards run up hundreds of dollars for the cheapest version
Legal cards that is
tall torrent
WotC has been running their IPs down the drain over the recent years tho
Wasn’t there a scandal with like 1k dollars for a pack or smth
late hatch
there are some great memes. the french card for "slow" is worth like $15 just for the meme it says "re*ard"
junior needle
Wotc literally sent a paramilitary organization to intimidate a guy they thought had "illegally" gotten a card pack early
tall torrent
Lmao
sinful jacinth
Wotc literally sent a paramilitary organization to intimidate a guy they thought...
The pinkertons right?
junior needle
The pinkertons right?
Yes, the pinkertons
late hatch
Lots of scams of stores opening foils, looting the valuable cards, then resealing and selling dud packs
a foil is 7 cards iirc, usually they are all pretty much worthless and you hope to get something good like 1/10
sinful jacinth
Wasn't there a story about the pokemon cards as well.
Guy toke all the foils off the press and try to sell them at a local store lol.
late hatch
Yeah one of the big youtubers bought like a $1million collection and the good cards were counterfeits
junior needle
There's legally pursuing people for selling counterfeits
And then there's sending bruisers to intimidate and steal from people who legally obtained your product
late hatch
well gws is extremely litigious, sometimes beyond the point of reasonableness
sinful jacinth
Those kinds of decisions are always made by board members who are out of touch with their customers. Like all the public traded big companies nowadays.
wanton dawn
Implying putting thousands of dollars in cards collection is being "in touch"
late hatch
Are cards really any worse than spending millions on a painting though?
"An abstract painting by New York artist Barnett Newman that features a field of blue paint crossed by a ragged white line sold last night for $43.8 million — more than most Manhattan penthouses — to conclude a bidding war at Sotheby’s."
wanton dawn
Considering art is often used for money laundering: no
That being said, some painting do cost thousands to make in material cost
wanton dawn
That kinda insulting considering painting is also a physical medium but i get yah
That's like saying a speaker recording of a musical is the same as a live performance. Arguable
late hatch
Well in the vast majority of cases a recording is simply superior to a live performance, bar the almost religious fervour of gathering in a mass to idolise the singer/band
wanton dawn
Well in the vast majority of cases a recording is simply superior to a live perf...
Not superior in scarcity. Also arguable in quality
wanton dawn
Should I go for Columnus or Vraks Autogun?
Autogun is like, 4-5 gun type. Gib moar inf
normal cosmos
Autogun is like, 4-5 gun type. Gib moar inf
which one is better?
late hatch
Like the clean mixing of Dire Straights albums (arguably some of the best sounding albums ever) compared to the distorted live performance recordings with occasional mistakes.
wanton dawn
which one is better?
Columnus infantry autogun is one of the best gun arounf
normal cosmos
ah kk
late hatch
Should I go for Columnus or Vraks Autogun?
vraks 7 headhunter for a DMR, columnus 5 for the full auto spray machine
wanton dawn
Like the clean mixing of Dire Straights albums (arguably some of the best soundi...
Also nobody would pay more for the album
So clearly it is not about "quality"
Btw i dont care about music. I was talking about cards collection
Which i dont care about either 
late hatch
Also nobody would pay more for the album
WuTang sold an album once upon a time in shaolin for $2m then it was resold, almost certainly for more. idk of anyone paying $2m to go to a concert
single copy of an album lol
wanton dawn
WuTang sold an album once upon a time in shaolin for $2m then it was resold, alm...
Yeah, that's called scarcity
late hatch
i call it idiocy but yeah, same same
wanton dawn
Also t'was artificial scarcity which is litterally the point of card collection
late hatch
like blizzard selling weapon charms in OW2 for $7 when you can buy the irl charms for your phone or w.e for $5
one is a purely digital product they could delete, the other is a real object you own
wanton dawn
I wont discuss digital goods
late hatch
bored ape efts and people just clicking download copy, owner saying nooo you cant use it as your reddit profile pic, you dont own it!
tribal tangle
who tf up
late hatch
not me
vague smelt
Me
final stag
Tonight is not my night 😔
late hatch
Tonight is not my night 😔
rough games ay
final stag
Yeah not my day at all
And it's fully my fault. I'm playing sloppy and getting grabbed and outpositioned
late hatch
playing aurics or just damn?
final stag
Aurics.
I'm just making simple mistakes. Prolly call it a night before I burn myself out lol
late hatch
well pugging aurics is always a gamble
final stag
It also doesn't help that my team usually isn't doing too hot either
So they go down and it's a domino effect cause I crumple.
Cest la vie 😔
late hatch
im kinda off pugging atm. get too many people running stupid builds and playing dumb. refusing to swap to melee etc
just play stealth and run through to next revive kekw
leave them to die on the ground
final stag
I do play stealth vet 💀 well last match I did heavy weapons expert
late hatch
I mostly play commissar laspistol with either shovel or ps. wish i recorded more tbh, been quite a few times I just run back and forth picking people up or soloing a boss after everyone goes down in dumb spots
final stag
Fnndnd lore accurate build makers go hard
late hatch
try listening to paradelous powerslam and see if it gets you in the mood to carry, one of my fave tracks
final stag
Ppft. I can't listen to music and game 😭
late hatch
listen to it in mourningstar and queue then pause it when you get into game
or just blast it full volume and play deaf
rp shellshocked vet
vague smelt
Moebian Domain my beloved
agile forge
Melk mocking me again with another power cycler III for sale
tribal tangle
anyone have a good build for shovels?
probably just the revolver for specials and whatnot
lyric dock
anyone have a good build for shovels?
From the Vet Field guide pinned here
late hatch
anyone have a good build for shovels?
mk7 shovel, thrust and uncanny, flakiac
or take cara for the big hits on crushers
tribal tangle
ah, I meant stats build, I have a godroll mk5
late hatch
mk7 is best but not the hugest diff
tribal tangle
7
w8
which one is the horizontal from the original sapper
move set that is
ah yeah the 7 is it
tribal tangle
yeah i prefer the move set over the other one
bitter turtle
take a swing on stanrd shovel is alright
you can bonk crushers for over 1k per swing
also oneshots a lot of lighter special/elites
trim hemlock
Why is Skullcrusher not recommended for the OG shovel, I wonder
bitter turtle
we tested it
it sucks
the only time skullcrusher was good from what we tested was mk3 spamming lights
junior needle
you can bonk crushers for over 1k per swing
How much is that is actually from take a swing and not uncanny
junior needle
I know it's both
junior needle
bitter turtle
either way
with how much i dislike decimator personally
i agree its a valid alternative
skullcrusher is just not really good outside of mk3 light spamming
not reliable at all
bitter turtle
yes
junior needle
The dropping shit is annoying
bitter turtle
all the
"drop on miss" ones should be changed to not do that
shred and wrath do it oto
junior needle
Agree
iron marten
emperor wants me to roll a d1 today...
late hatch
I wonder how much diff it actually makes
iron marten
quite a bit
late hatch
how many lclicks can it do before hitting max heat?
iron marten
below 48% thermal res and you can only shoot once after cooling for 1 tick at 100%
oh, I already scrapped it
but I think it was 30% when I checked through inspect
tiny summit
emperor wants me to roll a d1 today...
Brunt be like: "so as a joke..."
umbral scaffold
I want a Helbore skin
When will I get my newly designed gritty Helbore skin
I want the blade to be Catachan mixed and the stock to be chipped along with a mix of blood and skulls as well as a skill frame shown when aiming down site
analog mural
You will use your red and blue paint and you will like it 
tame lodge
emperor wants me to roll a d1 today...
If this had Gets Hot, it would mean that the previous owner made some field modifications
Also had no will to live
vague smelt
my head hurts
lyric dock
I love stealth zealots. I love suddenly having the horde aggro on me because they just stealth and fuck off
vague smelt
It was a chant zealot
midnight totem
That's when you stealth vet and pay them back
lyric dock
It was a chant zealot
That was from my recent run. 2 stealth zealots
umbral scaffold
You will use your red and blue paint and you will like it <:clown_hadron:1067589...
Jokes on you I use green
trim hemlock
chords have pretty good cleave damage distributions and are one of the few weapo...
Oh wow. I have just been made aware of that
They indeed keep 165% across all targets cleft on crit/ws hits
white minnow
Oh wow. I have just been made aware of that <:whatthefuck_heresy:104972444420723...
simply intuit this property through the morphogenetic field
woeful ibex
I didn't knew skin got rotated
dreamy spade
Isn't weakspot damage good aswell (if you hit your shots)
And unyielding is good for malestrom monstrosities
dawn garnet
So, what do you think prompted me to say that ?
grim
wanton dawn
Nope
dawn garnet
🤔
wanton dawn
Again, it involves lift and bomber
dawn garnet
🤔 starting the lift on fire?
wanton dawn
Nope
trim hemlock
Staying in the lift while there’s a bomber alive?
Like, in Vigil Station after mid event?
wanton dawn
Not quite but warmer
trim hemlock
wanton dawn
The map is the one where you send a crypted message at the end
vague smelt
Not adding invulnerability upon reving is probably the worst thing this game has
wanton dawn
Fighting outside the lift while your whole team is waiting for you in it
fast sundial
Real
dawn garnet
where the rescue site is 10km away?
wanton dawn
There are some lift where if your team does not join you and a bomber decide to get frisky, he will toast the lift and everyone waiting in it
Basically trapping you in fire
trim hemlock
Fighting outside the lift while your whole team is waiting for you in it
Dammit, I was thinking it can’t be as simple as that 
wanton dawn
Well, this is a solo game
fast sundial
suddenly the floor is lava
trim hemlock
No bombers typically live by the end of mid event on that map
wanton dawn
Lemme check the mission name for the one I was on
trim hemlock
There’s a void in my head, I genuinely don’t remember the name, either 
wanton dawn
Comm-plex
trim hemlock
Oh, there we go
fast sundial
i find it fascinating how teammates are either way slower or way faster than me
with very little inbetween
wanton dawn
i find it fascinating how teammates are either way slower or way faster than me
Sorry, too easy
trim hemlock
I’m always the slowest, but at least I’m collecting all the plasteel 
dawn garnet
same
i aggroed a full on DH for a large pile tanking the entire team to 20%hp
WHY
WTF
plasteel
oh ok thanks
fast sundial
my favorite DH moment is where we managed to down it but then 1 minute later poxburster MVP killed the entire team alone
dawn garnet
Let's check your map name knowledge folks <:whatthefuck_heresy:10497244442072391...
scanny scan 3 locations?
fast sundial
(we maintained squad cohesion)
fast sundial
hab dreyko?
dawn garnet
names are hard i prefer friends naming convention
wanton dawn
Chasm logistratum is special ammo
fast sundial
ah, yes
wanton dawn
Vigil station oblivium