veteran-class

[vague smelt]

I spent 600Kjust to get the Columnus, the Power sword and the devil's claw

[agile forge]

I like PS6 for it

Generic but good versatile option

[vague smelt]

Now I need curios

[agile forge]

Would be interested in trying shovel 7 though

[vague smelt]

Aight imma grind some dockets and ploisteel

[frank monolith]

can i join

[dawn garnet]

no

[vague smelt]

Aw man

this feels so goof

[tall torrent]

Decent

[dreamy spade]

average hadron blunder

[dapper vessel]

sad

[dreamy spade]

I did get the best shovel in the game though

2 more points on the pene and mob and it would be perfect

[vague smelt]

Hmm I need a shovel like that

[vague smelt]

Damn I am so good now I can start raging

Damnation drop

What else should I improve on this?

[agile forge]

Isn't stopping power pretty important anyway?

[agile forge]

Dis Gusting.

[vague smelt]

In terms of dumping?

[agile forge]

I mean I think that's a godroll 380 lmao

Might be mistaken

[vague smelt]

Ah

[agile forge]

Not a shotgun chad

[vague smelt]

I've never got a 380 drop ever

Probably the first 380 game drop

[shy maple]

guess i could put hand cannon or something on this

[lyric dock]

Hand cannon and play around with the meat grinder and see if the +Elites hits any notable one shots

[cloud falcon]

Does Rending provide any benefit for Plasma?

[agile forge]

Much less than for most other weapons

[shy maple]

meh im trying to like it but idk revolver just feels so clunky

[agile forge]

Think it needs weapon spec with the auto reload skill

It feels amazing on zealot

[shy maple]

yeah i guess havent tried it on zaelot but on vet it just feels pointless idk might aswell just go plasma and do the same with more ammo and splash damage

[agile forge]

The quickdraw is the main benefit imo

Which revolver were you using though?

Zarona is the much better one

[shy maple]

see screenshot above

[agile forge]

Ah right

Yeah you need hand cannon at least

It's sad if you can't use it to emergency kill crushers

[shy maple]

already put that on still doesnt change anything oh well maybe for a meme run eventually

[frank monolith]

Agreed

[agile forge]

Good for that Make Every Shot Count penance I guess

[small mauve]

Hello! I'm tagging enemies with my mousewheel, but often it will do like a double tag. Usually it doesn't matter, but if I'm using the keystone Focus Target! and I do a double tag, will the enemy have the max stacks of Focus Target! thanks to the first tag, or will it have only 1 stack because of the second tag?

[final stag]

Highest only, if you double tag it won't override.

[small mauve]

awesome, thank you

[tall torrent]

Not much
Also check the pinned document for which weapons want which talents

[dawn garnet]

is buhan anyone famous here?

[faint violet]

Power Cycler t4 is really that hard to get or people are just unlucky?

[vague smelt]

Unlucky

[faint violet]

Then Im very lucky got like 7 in two months.

[arctic rampart]

well once you get it once, you're set. it even shares between 3 & 6

[torn inlet]

its a low chance to get. it is indeed rare and most people need a few months

its possible to get sooner but you need a combination of luck and or grinding

average results are a few months of steady but normal not overly grindy play

[torn inlet]

yes. its worth getting if you dont already have one but pgs are pretty easy to roll

[faint violet]

Yeah cool but even fact I was was lucky, I dont use my good PSword and kinda feel bad bc I got it so easily and others need to grind hard for it.

[torn inlet]

right though peak ps time vs other melee weapons is over. other weapons got better. ps got relatively nerfed

no more up to 10 swings per charge

[faint violet]

Best thing is,I dont even grind; but just upgrade first PSword and just get PC4 on first try.

[torn inlet]

right, some people get lucky in true random

that’s just how the dice rolls

[faint violet]

My issiue with PSword are non powered swings, they simply feel weak it was like that before nerf?

[faint violet]

Yeah but 7 in rather short period of time is like wining on lottery.

[arctic rampart]

@faint violet yeah psword always awful on non-powered swings. but you just don't use them, except by mistake or to get a dog (etc) quick.

[torn inlet]

its fine on a mk 6

or a heavy attack

or need an attack immediately

just learn your breakpoints, what stuns enemies and use appropriately

[arctic rampart]

the issue with psword is not non-powered swings cause you can just not do those.. its mobility is really bad. I find myself always taking weapon specialist, trench fighter, desperado to help a little.

[frank monolith]

Agreed, i just use the knife now for mobility and then switch back to plasma gun to kill everything infront

[arctic rampart]

I've been having fun with MK3 but probably eventually gonna switch to chain sword or shovel or something again. I like 40k weapons so dagger nto for me. Shovel at least bonks though lul

[faint violet]

Then Psword isnt for me.

[arctic rampart]

Y not? It takes a few runs but the activation sequence can be made reliable even when surrounded

Anyway lots of other weapons are great for vet, so no worries.

[faint violet]

Use one of combat axes.

Antax, antrox something like that.

[arctic rampart]

Rasheed is better cause of finesse IMO. You'll find both chain axes get some use, although the old one getting stuck drives me nuts its got huge damages

check out the pin for recommendations on the weapons but for combat axes brutal momentum is required

[faint violet]

Mean I try all axes and they fell to slow for me.

And the one Im use curently works.

[tall torrent]

Power > speed

[arctic rampart]

Agree I'd use probably use mkxIIIg chain sword over axes

[late hatch]

I originally hated axes and loved the hori sweep swords with faster swings, and still do like my illisi etc. But when you get a good axe and you are just mowing through everything it makes up for the slower speed. Like most of the weapons in the game, the diff between an average roll and something that passes the important breakpoints is like night and day.

[urban steppe]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-darktide-sharpshooter-darktide-veteran-hello-chat-darktide-hello-chat-gif-2742873438399829862

[loud oyster]

Average Heresy teammate moment

(though there have been times when I have been that teammate... though never on purpose)

[lyric dock]

We had that moment we became the rag doll

[rose ingot]

I got Make Every Shot Count lfg

[lyric dock]

Congrats

[rose ingot]

Need to get On Overwatch done and I’ve got em all I think

[lyric dock]

Best advice for On overwatch. Watch your back, use VoC or Stealth as your ability, pay extra close attention to specialist sound cues, and don't tunnel vision. Also look for low Intensity Malice missions if you can

[rose ingot]

I wonder if I can cheese it. I read a tutorial earlier on how

[lyric dock]

Depending on when it was made. There's a pretty good chance it got patched out

[dawn garnet]

this is begging to be purple right?

[lyric dock]

Trying to get the legendary PC 4?

[dawn garnet]

uhhhh

i aint got enough plasteel for that

unarmored power cycle 3

its over

[lyric dock]

Do love seeing pre-bricked weapons from Melk

Mean while my Psyker has a god damn Chainsward from Brunt

[dawn garnet]

i have tons of good bases saved from brunts

only one 17% toughness curio from brunts tho 😭

[lyric dock]

This would been nice..... FOR MY VET

[dawn garnet]

SHARED INVETORY PLS

[tall torrent]

Crit Dmg is bad

[lyric dock]

I know it is bad because of how wonky it is

But that's a god damn great base rating and stat spread

On my Psyker

[hollow ibex]

Gunker time

[lyric dock]

Not my cup of tea of a playstyle

WIth all the Storm troopers I'm seeing. I'l take a Infinite ammo staff with the small chance of blowing my brains out

[stone tapir]

i'll give you 2 pocket lints for it

[lyric dock]

[stone tapir]

well the answer is always no unless you ask

[grim widget]

so why is the mk iv chainsword considered better than the mkxiiig? the xiiig just feels so much better and the extra whollop with the dmg is devastating on armored enemies, why is one meta and the other not so?

[late hatch]

attack pattern

[stone tapir]

anyone recommend blessings and a build for the ciag?

[hollow ibex]

check out the first guide in the pins, should answer your question and more

[late hatch]

dumdum, fire frenzy, maniac and then unyeilding/flak/cara. take surv aura + onslaught

[rose ingot]

God I’m jealous

[stone tapir]

thats an extensive guide, and... i wont lie, i dont have the patience to read something that can be broken down into a few sentences

[late hatch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1219603242300866610/image.png?ex=660be708&is=65f97208&hm=aeed40bc84c648cf17d7365693e078e70f17ef51774f4c6c935e9f1fc39b5822&

[hollow ibex]

not telling you to, you just go to the weapon you're looking for and it'll tell you the perks and blessings that you should go for

[late hatch]

I use this tree a fair bit. deadshot means when you ads you really tear things up. onslaguht on the right gives you big dps on big targets

There is a fair bit of room to move nodes around, like longshot top left, extra nade mid right, and recip bottom right are all good but can be swapped

[hollow ibex]

you running 9 stam or something for that build? kekw

[late hatch]

only ads when you need it, it does burn your stam out fast

i typically run +3 stam, and then stam regen on at least 2 curios

[woeful ibex]

Soldiers

Rate my Shitpost Power Sword

[junior needle]

Wouldnt recommend unyielding/cara like it's close to the value flak gives

Apart from dumdum the second blessing doesn't matter and you can take whatever you want, including stripped

Which is especially useful for deadshot abuse

[late hatch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1208738675957956650/1220928531832242306/image.png?ex=6610b94d&is=65fe444d&hm=831b47256b77e40cd91bdad7aa8e9bd2164ec842d9c3e4dfaa8aa4abaafb528a&

I really like hit n run and ghost

[junior needle]

Hitnrun isn't nearly as good as ghost unfortunately

But you also need dnd for actual stam regen from either

[late hatch]

remind me what dnd is?

duck n dive?

[ocean sundial]

i think its a table top game

[tall torrent]

Yea the range limit is a bit yikes

[junior needle]

Yes, the one that refunds stamina for dodging

It feeds onslaught

[tall torrent]

Although, hit & run is not bad for deadshot IAG

That’s sorta about as much deadshot u can get out of automatics

[trim steppe]

I've been having crashes when trying to load into games from the menu using Psych Ward. Anyone else have this problem?

[junior needle]

Are you using loadout config

It might need to be updated

[midnight totem]

is it me, or is it impossible to roll a full stat on a relic aside from finding one automatically rolled by Brunt or Melk

[trim steppe]

I dont have that one but it might be another mod I haven't considered

[tiny summit]

Stop it. Get some help.

[arctic rampart]

other than blaze away 4, what would you change?

[raw steppe]

Tbh its a pretty solid roll

Hits all relevant breakpoints, good perks/blessings and good stats

[tame basalt]

tfw i have over 1000 hours and dont have a roll half as good for the plasmagun

[wanton dawn]

Blaze 4 doesnt exist

3 is the max tier for it

[trim steppe]

I'd want higher Thermal and lower Charge, but its not necessary. Rolls are good dude. I personally like Gloryhunter over Blaze Away but both are good, its just preference

[arctic rampart]

Do you shoot it with charge? I saw a video saying to fire twice then use special (de-charge) and always just did that

[terse idol]

you don't realy need a good roll

The Pgun kinda

Just is

Also 51 Thermal resistance is bad

You're still looking for minium 60%

[arctic rampart]

I'd imagine 51 thermal would come back to bite me if I held down charge style on plasma

[terse idol]

Charge rate is bad

Because Pgun gameplay isn't

Right click-centric

I mean don't get me wrong though

[tame basalt]

thats the fun way to use it tho

[terse idol]

That IS a good Pgun

[terse idol]

The one way to use it rn, is literally left click only

😌

You actually lose damage if you right click to charge

Now

[trim steppe]

Naw you basically should never use the charge fire. Vent always vents 20% of your current heat per tick, so it always takes 5 ticks to get to 0. You want to be at higher heat to take advantage of Gets Hot, so I wouldn't vent as often as you're saying. Its more efficient for both damage and time to vent at higher heat

[terse idol]

Some situations yes, you do right click

[tame basalt]

yes but its a pve game that isnt that hard so who cares, its fun 😛

[terse idol]

[tame basalt]

SUBOPTIMAL REEEEEEEEE

[terse idol]

there are some situations you do right click

But left click is the best *shrug

It's just a braain dead gun

But it's good!

Real good

S tier

[arctic rampart]

I'm old and bad so I'll take all the help I can get lul

[trim steppe]

People can play however they want, but we talk about optimization here.

[tame basalt]

thats fine 🙂

[arctic rampart]

so get it to 100%, vent, fire twice, vent, fire twice is bad or good? sounds like I was given good advice before

[tame basalt]

i just dont personally care much, the peepeegun isnt something i even have a roll worth using on

lasguns are more my prefered anyways

[arctic rampart]

I wish the recon lasgun was better I'd use that. Or the bolter. Or a melt gun...

[tame basalt]

this game does not have a melta gun

i do not know why

[trim steppe]

that's pretty good advice overall. situational awareness will dictate if you vent more or less but yeah thats good

[tame basalt]

id love one when you run into like 10 crushers

[arctic rampart]

All this game needs is a fun new weapon for every class, and a new mission that's real hard

[trim steppe]

I'm glad hardmode damnation twins is actually hard. Would be cool to get more content like that

[torn inlet]

nah,TR Barely affects PG in practice

[terse idol]

It gives you 1-2 shots

Also, something something reduces heat gain

[torn inlet]

the range is something like 6 vs 8 for the entire range

[terse idol]

Yeah

2 shots

[torn inlet]

first primary fire

[terse idol]

I wouldn't go without 7

[torn inlet]

across the entire rwnge

[terse idol]

8 is cool

Yes

And considering most of the gameplay is built around gets hot

And blaze it

[torn inlet]

its not enough to worry about

[terse idol]

Making a feew extra shots does give you damage

I wouldn't go below 6

60

IS what I'm saying

[torn inlet]

you can’t go below 6

[terse idol]

Yeah

You can

You can get a 0 TR

[torn inlet]

its 6 at like 1%

[terse idol]

Or well like

5%

Yeah

But that's really scuffed

[torn inlet]

it isn’t realisitc

[terse idol]

I wouldn't go below 60~

60%

TR

And that's literally dump stat level

51 does mean you probably are losing another shot.

[torn inlet]

not at high level anyway

nope

[terse idol]

https://tenor.com/view/good-morning-wake-up-wakey-wakey-awaken-gif-26734899

[torn inlet]

its like 6 shots at 1%

[torn inlet]

ive tested this

[terse idol]

I personally wouldn't play a 6 shot primary left click pgun 😌

[torn inlet]

its not realistically possible to get 6 to begib with and you aren’t losing anything for the vast majority of the tr range

[tame basalt]

this sounds like the type of thing and excel spreadsheet would clear up

[torn inlet]

also rofl, you misunderstand this too. it affects all pg shots, including primary fire

not that charge rate is particularly great

both tr and cr are dump stats for pg

[terse idol]

It just

Affects it marginally

In the decimal range

[torn inlet]

this is a fine gun.

[terse idol]

So I mean, dumpping CR isn't gonna make your Primary damage any worse

Because the milisecond shots won't feel different from 60-80%

[torn inlet]

it technically does but not enough to worry about

[terse idol]

I'd say as much

The DPS decrease is minimal

[tame basalt]

i mean whats like the slowest it could charge a rightclick vs the fastest

[terse idol]

Like again

Miliseconds

[torn inlet]

theres videos of the exact values

the game isn’t so twitch sensitive that it matters

since it isnt pvp

and ai dumb

[terse idol]

Like, unless your gun is firing 0.5 or 1 second after you pull the trigger it doesn't matter

[wanton dawn]

Charge rate affect uncharged shot speed too

[tame basalt]

if it does i feel like it would only matter in very few situations that would be impossible to plan for

[terse idol]

Yeah

But minimally

[torn inlet]

yep, was just telling smudge that

[terse idol]

That's why I still consider CR to be a dump stat

I knooow

Your DPS loss is just minimal

compared to like

I dunno

Shooting 1 shot less

From TR

THAT

Is a DPS change

That's a little more considerable

[wanton dawn]

But does it change from 80 ?

[tame basalt]

ok so i know i need a better one, which is why im posting this. what should i do with it.

[torn inlet]

lol no, because you don’t have unlimited heat

[terse idol]

You don't need unlimited heat

talking of DPS

if you shoot 1 or 2 shots more

Your DPS does

Increase

If you shoot 1 or 2 shots less

It decreases

[torn inlet]

no, at most its one primary shot and zero alt shots more

in practice

[terse idol]

Again

[wanton dawn]

If TR does not give less than 2 from 80% heat then it is minimal too

[terse idol]

1 extra shot

Is a DPS change

considering

Gets hot and blaze it

[torn inlet]

again, you won’t always have the option to shoot all 7 shots at once

[terse idol]

I thought an 80% or near 76~ percent gave you two shots

Extraa

[torn inlet]

vs 1%

[wanton dawn]

Ill test it later if i feel like it

[torn inlet]

no one uses 1%

[terse idol]

But again hypothetically that 1 or 2 shots is stilla change in DPS

That matters more than CR will

[torn inlet]

in practice no one uses 1%

i need to look up the exact thresholds at some ppiunt

i only tested extreme ranges

[torn inlet]

nope, because you forget you arent in practice actually shooting 7-8 times in a row. mainly because euther everything is dead or you need to do things like dodge

[terse idol]

I mean

[torn inlet]

or move to the. ext target

[terse idol]

In practice, you do sometimes shoot 7 or 8 shots

In crusher hordes

[torn inlet]

very rarely

[terse idol]

Auric damn has a VERY high chance

That you'll expand all of your shots

[wanton dawn]

Hypothetical arguing is pointless when there is mod to test

[torn inlet]

for crusher horde, yoh actually primary fire about 4-5 times and alt fire twice

[tame basalt]

this

[terse idol]

Now I'm curios about the cleave

[tame basalt]

all the cleave

[torn inlet]

Is there a mod that tracks actual number of shots fired in sequence?

[tame basalt]

ya probably lol

[wanton dawn]

Also i wont tolerate plasma CR diss after the debacle from sawlike dmg

[wanton dawn]

There is the mod to adjust weapon stat and creature spawner for psy

[torn inlet]

explain, cause last i saw they patched the cr damage relation

[wanton dawn]

Ppl would not trust the 71% topic and throwed insult back in the day

[terse idol]

oh

The "max" 71% dps change

Which was marginal

[torn inlet]

no, this is not what i am arguing. it’s clearly for burst dps 1 shot more is higher burst, but in terms of practical experience you arent able to or realistically doing 8 in a row often

[terse idol]

Even if everyone was flipping out with the excel sheet

[torn inlet]

yeah but that’s old news now

[wanton dawn]

Was 20% dmg stats swing

[terse idol]

Did it even change a BP?

[torn inlet]

prepatch? yes

[terse idol]

120%

[wanton dawn]

Ppl are shit at math

And throw insult when told so

[torn inlet]

people are shit at everything lol

[wanton dawn]

Well technically, i say that after the fact

So i did not in fact told them they are shit

I just did some test in psy before mod was available with basic plasma from brunt

All hell breaked loose

A bit same with fire team BP tbf

[torn inlet]

its not that 8 shots isn’t better than 7. cause it obviously is, but it doesn’t come up enough to worry about, because you have alternatives and you don’t need to do 8 in a row as fast

[wanton dawn]

At the end of the day this is not a competitive game so saying confidently that someone play wrong is just unwarranted

Unless they use recon 2

[torn inlet]

most of the time most immediate threat are dead in what, 4? i kind of want to know

i’d have to do a post mission analysis

counting shot chains

[tame basalt]

hey look he gets it

this entire conversation feels like a huge nothing burger just reading it.

[terse idol]

well again

It's just my stubborn mentality that

The more brain dead I can make a wepaon

The better it is

[wanton dawn]

TBF you can argue about dps when math is involved. But it is a math problem

[terse idol]

The less I need to think about it

[tame basalt]

one of them might even be right on the internet but i dont think it will matter much at the end of the day because the detail of the arguement is so minor

[torn inlet]

CR and TR are dump stats because they don’t realistically affect your gameplay much

[terse idol]

I increase the amount of shots thus, I decrease any extra thought I need witht he gun

[tame basalt]

DPS is not the end all be all tho, it matters a lot but not everything

[terse idol]

And for me 1 or 2 shots extra

Makes the gun MORE brain dead

Which therefore makes it easier

[tall torrent]

Thermal resist 69+ gives u 1 more shot in continuous fire

[torn inlet]

that would only apply if shit werent already dead 4 shots ago lol

[wanton dawn]

Nice

[terse idol]

And AGAIN

Because Blaze it and get's hot exists

[tame basalt]

AGAIN

[tall torrent]

And getting that extra 1 shot off kinda matters

[terse idol]

You just get more value out of the two best blessings

[tall torrent]

Charge rate honestly not a big deal

[torn inlet]

it doesn’t. see above.

[terse idol]

It does

🥹

[tame basalt]

lol nooooo

not another field trip

[wanton dawn]

Honestly it is tame rn

[torn inlet]

Demonstrate how many times you shoot 8 in a row without any interruption in a match. Go on

[tame basalt]

ya i know, this is why i dont come in here, because ive seen how people act lol

[wanton dawn]

I mostly play no ammo mael, it happens

[torn inlet]

cause that is the only time it matters

[tame basalt]

it matters?

watch

[wanton dawn]

Meh. Short memory anyway

[tame basalt]

lol

[wanton dawn]

Go back in an hour and most of the time it will be something else

[torn inlet]

TR doesn’t affect your total damage here lol. Ammo stat would here

[terse idol]

I mean

fighting bosses

Lord forbid

You have to shoot the boss

You're gonna get more returns

On gets hot

And blaze it

With more shots

[tame basalt]

imagine if someone came in here

[wanton dawn]

You dont

[tame basalt]

and just

[torn inlet]

right click.

[terse idol]

yeeahh

[tame basalt]

said the wrong stuff on purpose

[terse idol]

Maybe it's a little silly

But again!

Get's hot value

[torn inlet]

and yeah you don’t have to shoot the boss

[terse idol]

Gets... more hot

with more shots

*cough

[torn inlet]

nah gets hot gets most value out of juggling overheat

[tame basalt]

nah, check your math homie

[wanton dawn]

Some bait are very obvious. Some are less so

[terse idol]

Which means!

If you're on high over heat

and have MORE shots

You'll make MORE value with more shots

Bleh

It's just circular

[tame basalt]

well also sometimes it doesnt matter lol.

[torn inlet]

no. you dont.

[tall torrent]

Gets hot reaches full 5 stacks at 91~92% visual heat, take that info at what u will

[tame basalt]

it has been for a while, welcome to the present

[wanton dawn]

Also it is good patience check sometimes

[torn inlet]

becuase you’re getting the same number of shots staying at high overheat

[wanton dawn]

"Do they have a point ? Do i block ?"

[terse idol]

Huh, I realy thought you shot more shots on high-over heat with a higher TR

[tall torrent]

Doesn’t matter what you do, you only get 1 shot off at full 5 stacks of Gets hot

69+ thermal resist is just a nicer thing to have

[wanton dawn]

"Is it annoying for other ppl ?"

[terse idol]

[tall torrent]

It’s not mandatory, it’s nice to have

[wanton dawn]

"Is it healthy debate ?"

[tame basalt]

i need to troll in here more, i never realized how easily it can be done lol

[terse idol]

Look sometimes

[wanton dawn]

"Should i get out of bed and take a shower ?"

Yes

[tame basalt]

no

stay in bed

[torn inlet]

Would I take TR over anything beside CR? Nope.

[wanton dawn]

Troll

[terse idol]

I get caught up in cyclic debates

[tame basalt]

nah dude

[terse idol]

My baad

[tall torrent]

I’m honestly ok with a bit less ammo but that’s just me

[torn inlet]

Does TR greatly affect my gameplay? Also nope

[tame basalt]

i mean, its ok, its just, you dont have to be right 100% of the time

[terse idol]

For me it does, then it turns into the whole opinion based gun building

Which

[wanton dawn]

Just because you too have sunglass doesnt make you my dude, bro

[terse idol]

For a Plasma gun

[torn inlet]

depends on map but i wouldn’t take it over ammo

[terse idol]

I don't think it's anything to write home about

[tall torrent]

Preferences tbh

[wanton dawn]

I have high dude standard !

[tame basalt]

[tall torrent]

The only things u have to high roll are Dmg & SP

[torn inlet]

obviously on easier maps, ammo is less important … but they’re also easier maps, so it doesn’t matter at all

[tame basalt]

wanna see my competitive plasma gun?

[tall torrent]

Ideally 78+ iirc

[torn inlet]

gray?

[wanton dawn]

Good idea

[tame basalt]

nah

better then everything youve been arguring about

[torn inlet]

rofl

[tame basalt]

because i took it to the hardest shit and it was fine lol

[wanton dawn]

Missing 69 ammo

[tame basalt]

no shit lol

[torn inlet]

right. pg are good even at low stat ranges

[tame basalt]

yes

so who the fuck cares

[torn inlet]

nerds

we’re nerds ok

so nyaaa

[wanton dawn]

Nerd with bad meth

[torn inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/elsword-gif-27268482

[wanton dawn]

Math

Bad math

I made the error on purpose

[tame basalt]

its like, secret hard mode twins? easy, left click dude, auric max diff no ammo, easy just leftclick people larger then you

[torn inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-gif-25865354

[tame basalt]

and the best part

rightclicking is more fun

[torn inlet]

The ideal max damage squeeze with BA islike 4 primary shits then 2 alt fire

[tame basalt]

i read like two word of that

and went to sleep

you said the word ideal

when refering to the peepee gun

[torn inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/httyd-toothless-how-to-train-your-dragon-gif-14790748

[tame basalt]

yes

[wanton dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-my-eyes-burn-burning-eyes-gif-4415974

Ffs those eye destroying gif

[torn inlet]

just like the simulations

[tame basalt]

nah dude

the peak gameplay moment for vet

is going into a team with 3 mathlords with your dogshit recon 2

[torn inlet]

well back before the nerfs anyway

[tame basalt]

and end up doing most of the work anyways because you know how to abuse the funny grenade regen of extreme balance

[torn inlet]

there was a brief period when that shit was op

[tall torrent]

That was 6d
And patch 13 real winner was vraks3 lol

[tame basalt]

reading patchnotes in pve games

[wanton dawn]

Fun fact, we did have a friendly damage competition involving recon

The conclusion is that we do not loot mat

[tame basalt]

hehe

my wound stacking zealot just left because i med stimmed him from 1 hp for a second time

i love this game

[terse idol]

Well

Less ammo is stinky

[tame basalt]

incoming

[terse idol]

I have a 60% ammo Pgun

Not goooooooooooooooo

😌

[tame basalt]

its fine

its a pgun

[tall torrent]

60+ is fine

[tame basalt]

you are just acoustic

[terse idol]

Not for me

[wanton dawn]

You lose what, 6 shot ? 10 with fully loaded ?

[tall torrent]

If it’s under 60, you don’t get 1.5 ammo per elite/special kill when you take +25% ammo and that’s a bigger problem

[tame basalt]

playing vet

[torn inlet]

be honest, would you rarher 60% ammo or 60% tr

[tame basalt]

just aim better

[tall torrent]

Above 60, you’re just looking at QoL games

[terse idol]

I mean, what am I losing in return

[tall torrent]

Biggest priority is 78+ Dmg & SP

[terse idol]

for sure

[torn inlet]

then ammo, and cr / tr tie bottom for dumps

[wanton dawn]

I prefer bolter anyway

[tame basalt]

ok the female i am married too got space marine to run on her pc, fuck you nerds im out

[tall torrent]

This alr turns off a lot of rolls u could get

So I’d put ammo, TR and charge rate all as lower priority

[wanton dawn]

AHAHAH, he doesnt have his own pc !

Cant hide the secret folder !

[torn inlet]

don’t think that’s the case or that he cares. could have a bright pink barbie pc with mlp sparkles. doesn’t matter, is with wife now

[wanton dawn]

Yeah

[tall torrent]

Also, remember that the avg damnation QP player uses atrocities like this

I was legit dumbfounded when I saw this

[torn inlet]

i mean its an ogryn...

[tall torrent]

Still pretty funny

[torn inlet]

all you need is left click with that class lol

yes you can have amazing ogryn players, but let's not pretend you NEED OP gear or skill with it to run damnation lol

[tall torrent]

What kind of person volunteers to mod terrifying barrage on their gun

[torn inlet]

PG as you pointed out, has a base level of effectiveness that makes it op regardless of other stat ranges or blessings

[torn inlet]

two kinds. ignorant and those that love to watch enemies run

there are niche uses for it. there are better blessings/combos for sure

[tall torrent]

It’s effective by default but actually kinda hard to properly min max because of the Dmg & SP requirements and its reliance on rolling perks

[torn inlet]

but if you're just having fun, do it

[torn inlet]

eh, arguably you could run damnation with a standard 300 ilevel PG.. so what 60 across the board? quite easily

gray

no perks, no blessings

[terse idol]

I mean

I don't liiike speaking of that

[torn inlet]

just being level 30 with a 300 ilevel gray with 60 across the board

[terse idol]

It's a testament to just

[tall torrent]

It is effective by default

[terse idol]

How good the pgun is

[tall torrent]

It’s not that easy to min-max is what I mean

[terse idol]

And also the meme being "anybody could use any grey level 300 to beat auric damn™️"

[tall torrent]

Like, if you’re trying to push its effectiveness

[torn inlet]

well not any gray

for auric dam

[tall torrent]

You have a lot of things to get right

[torn inlet]

there are realistic limits

but its pretty clear the base level of effectiveness of pgun is incredibly high and not sensitive to rolls

the rest is just nice to have

[terse idol]

Besides damage and pen

and perk

[torn inlet]

nah even at minimum average, which is like 60

for a level 30 character, since minimum ilevel is 300

[terse idol]

That's when you start missing crusher BP's

[torn inlet]

obviously you could focus on 80/80 or close to it

[tall torrent]

It’s not as big of an issue as stuff like shotgunner, gunner & flamer 1 shot

[torn inlet]

but hypothetical minimum average is 60 across the board

[terse idol]

hmm

[torn inlet]

actual average is what... ilevel 340?

[terse idol]

yeah, I guess the gunner 1 shot is more important

[tall torrent]

The breakpoints u generally want to care about plasma are gunner & flamer 1HS, shotgunner 1 bodyshot

Crusher 3HS is just nice to have

Mauler 2 shot is not the easiest to match without crits but since gets hot gives u crits it’s a lot more consistent to the point where u don’t need to build for it

Rager 1HS is uh
Takes a couple talents to do if you have the optimal Dmg, SP and perk rolls

As for boss Dmg you usually don’t rly need to shoot boss with plasma
With the exception of running a shovel

[tame basalt]

i dont? i was just gonna watch play instead of using mine lol

wait

fuck

misclick lol

[wanton dawn]

I am still gonna make fun of you to hide my crippling loneliness !

(Jk, i dont feel lonely)

[vague smelt]

Why would someone choose INFESTED AND CRITICAL ON THIS

WHAT THE HELL

[junior needle]

Doesn't even take surgical

We posting abominations?

[vague smelt]

Which mod showed the enchanced tool tips

[wanton dawn]

TBF I am almost certain I can load in the morningstar, take the first random and it will be worse

In fact I am going to connect right now

Taking the first lvl 30+ vet i see

[torn inlet]

oh yeah we should record what pugs ACTUALLY use

no need for nakes. black out ofc, but lol the gear

[wanton dawn]

Crap, I am the only vet in the morningstar

[torn inlet]

wait

can you SEE gear on other players outside of lobbies?

i haven't kept up

[wanton dawn]

Yes

[torn inlet]

modded or unmodded?

[wanton dawn]

Pretty sure its unmodded

Well well well:

[torn inlet]

perfectly reasonable PG

quite nice overall actually

[wanton dawn]

Wrong craft choice though on the perk. Let's call it 7/10

[torn inlet]

tbf, we don't know what was originally on there

could've been worse

like +1 stamina or something

[wanton dawn]

Yeah but its ranged weak spot still

[torn inlet]

yeah not great, but fixable so idc

[wanton dawn]

Heyy

Ill be damn, all lvl 30-40 have 370+ gear

Fuck, I lobbied with 2 shroudfield zealot

And i kept exe stance

am gonna die

[torn inlet]

i haven't kept up. what's the problem exactly? that they're invis and going to dump aggro on you?

you couldn't swap sets fast enough?

[wanton dawn]

racism mostly

[torn inlet]

*classism

[final stag]

It's not that bad having shroudfield/infil as long as their like yknow not using it to just run

[grand perch]

i wish smoke grenades deployed as fast as zealot flame grenades, when youre getting mowed down the extra delay of pulling the pin is a bit annoying

[torn inlet]

are they worth using now?

[grand perch]

also smoke grenades should regen toughness like a psyker shield, but thats just wishful thinking

i still think theyre a bit awkward to use, but sort of worth it if youre not relying on emergency boom like the other nades provide

[torn inlet]

they were niche before.

[final stag]

They're still niche
Just better

[winter grove]

Stealth zealots are

How to put it lightly

[torn inlet]

nutjobs?

i.e zealots

[winter grove]

Most of the time they're morons that run away from the team

[torn inlet]

and that's being polite

so zealots.

perhaps my base opinion of zealots is already too low

[wanton dawn]

The problem with shroudfield zealot is that they have a pseudo get out of field card that makes them play like they can just rush ahead solo everywhere

[winter grove]

I respect all classes

[wanton dawn]

I say pseudo cuz it just put aggro on everyone else

[winter grove]

As long as they're being useful to the team

And aren't ogryns

[torn inlet]

right they still believed that before, but now they have a f key for it

[wanton dawn]

And when they die alone, nobody can save them cuz they are 5km ahead

[torn inlet]

kek k so the problem is just magnified

[wanton dawn]

Or they try to clutch and fail cuz they play dagger with 0 crowd damage

[torn inlet]

k so still zealot idiociy, but magnified

[winter grove]

I don't hate them because all of them play bad or something

But as a lasgun headshots enjoyer

[wanton dawn]

I hate them cuz there is a pattern

[winter grove]

It's difficult to use exe stance

And it's difficult to shoot

[torn inlet]

git gud or git pg

[wanton dawn]

So yeah, if you see 2 zealot with shroudfield

do not take exe

[torn inlet]

time to go infiltrator yourself

[winter grove]

Let me get an image of pain

[torn inlet]

imo

2 shroudfield --> time to go invis and dump on them

[winter grove]

I love quickplay

[sinful palm]

You know what they say . If you can't beat them, join them

Yesterday i made my first stealth zealot and clutched 1 match 3 times . My team was dead most of the time

[vague smelt]

Are 3 stamina curios rare to obtain or I'm just the unluckiest person

[wanton dawn]

[vague smelt]

So I am the unluckiest person

[vague smelt]

What is the chance to be bricked by Hadron

[wanton dawn]

It is a recon, it is already bricked

If you're committing, go full commmit

[vague smelt]

Wdym

is that perk really bad

[wanton dawn]

Bring it like that to auric

no hadron

ranged elite is never bad. Rarely the best, but never straight up bad

[vague smelt]

Let me give a try to Hadron

and you'll tell me

And it's bricked.

sigh

[wanton dawn]

Rip

[vague smelt]

WHY AM I ONLY GETTING 2 STAMINA CURIOS INSTEAD OF 3

imma craft a plasma gun

[torn inlet]

They are indeed very rare.

but yes you should craft pgs

[junior needle]

Just wait until you find out the recons are big sugg

[lyric dock]

No Soldier. Recons are great at 1 thing!

Making sure your teammates can't have ammo pickups

[agile forge]

Also some 3 stamina curios lie to you and are actually 2s

[sinful palm]

I mean i usually see people taking big ammo stashes when they need 20 bullets or less and me with 1 bullet in my revolver : "so you've chosen death" 😂😂😂

[lyric dock]

The number of times that has happened...Makes me want to ignore them if they get dogged until the dog chews up one of their wounds

[sinful palm]

I wish i coulde've point it to my head though

[lyric dock]

Yeah sure. Thanks for taking the ammo. It's not like I needed when I have 12 bullets left for my Revolver

[sinful palm]

Yeah i don't pick them if they go down . I mean bruddah we are in auric mael. Loooook at your team ammo before you take some

[agile forge]

If they do it once it's OK, might be an accident

If they're just playing single player at our expense then fuck them. I'll even try to initiate a vote kick.

[lyric dock]

It doesn't take long to check to see who is need of ammo and health

[sinful palm]

Well said

[lyric dock]

The number of FUCKING times I seen people take the last med station charge when someone is at danger of dying is TOO DAMN HIGH

[sinful palm]

I allways heal those low health psykers with 2 wounds bar . 1 of them pink 😂😂😂

[lyric dock]

Also can I say. I wish if you use a heal stimm on a teammate the teammate with the lowest HP or least number of wounds left takes priority if close to each other

[sinful palm]

I have like 500 h in this game you know how many times i've got healed by a teammate? 1 single time

Idk why ppl play with those stims all game

And use them only in the heli

[agile forge]

I tried to heal a 2 wound person who was nearly dead yesterday

And a martyrdom zealot ran between us

[lyric dock]

I been healed by a fair number of teammates. It's always nice when it happens

[agile forge]

Was pretty unpoggers.

[agile forge]

Also people on one wound who run past a medicae

And then die in the next room

I politely remind them to heal

Two, three times

Then they die and I just have no problem verbally abusing them for it

Egotistical scoreboard humping fucking imbeciles.

[sinful palm]

I like to ping the healtpacks and health stims when i see them but idk some ppl just don't want to pick them up

And complain after they go down and spam ping also

Same with the up stuff

[lyric dock]

I do thank you for pinging them. Makes it easier for me to grab them if my slot is empty

[sinful palm]

They don't pick them

I mean sure don't go out to look for them

But they go right past

All day long yesterday was like this😂😂😂

[lyric dock]

Drop a med pack down and every one suddenly avoids it like Lava (I get Marty Zealots because Marty buffs)

[agile forge]

Remember, these cretins vote

[sinful palm]

I tried it marty zeal but it's not for me

My love now is stealth zeal

[lyric dock]

I tried it. It's fun, but got me in more danger because it makes play more aggressively which gets me in a fair bit of trouble

[agile forge]

Tbh bad resource management (or just totally ignoring it) is like the one thing in this game that actually makes me angry

Medicae Station is a "press E to not lose the game for you and the other 3 people trapped in this shithole with you" button

[lyric dock]

The only time I'll double dip med stations or ammo crates is a Last man Standing situation

[agile forge]

Double dipping is fine imo

Whoever is lowest has priority

If you get chunked after using it once, use it again

[agile forge]

Adjusted lowest obviously. Take into account wounds and thresholds etc.

[sinful palm]

The ammount of times i jumped past med stations cause my teammates ddnt like to dodge or block or take cover so they used that thing more than once😂😂😂

But i don't mind

[agile forge]

Some people have different strengths and weaknesses

And some people are still learning how to survive

[sinful palm]

People learn the game

[agile forge]

And some people just get dunked on by the director

[lyric dock]

That's the only time I double dip is LSM situations. Else I'll take my 1 charge and leave it for teammates

[sinful palm]

It's ok to go down or die

I don't mind them

On lower diff

Like heresy

[agile forge]

So if you end up going down afterwards, and you end up with 1 wound remaining while the others are healthy, what then?

[last parcel]

lesbian sex machine

[agile forge]

Because if I was one of the others and I watched you then die before the next medicae and then snowball into a wipe, I'm blaming you lol

[final stag]

Yeah I usually offer my turn at the med station if someone is lower than me

[agile forge]

This ain't DRG

There's no red sugar here

[final stag]

I rather have someone alive than me getting a measly 50 hp back

[agile forge]

And medicae aren't the only way to maintain ammo economy

[lyric dock]

I'll take a med charge as needed to make sure I'm alive and have some insurance just in case

Because all it takes is 1 bull shit trapper

[sinful palm]

Yeah and this is why i've developed ptsd on this game

Allways dodge

Even in my sleep i dodge

[final stag]

I dodge in different games

Muscle memory for me

[sinful palm]

Dodge from the beggining untill the end😂

It's in my muscle memory also after playing this game so much

And usually when they make the sounds i dodge even though they are not near me just in case😂

Trapers and dogs

[agile forge]

It's fun playing with my GF since we don't use headsets when playing together

So I keep hearing her dodge prompts and dodging myself

[winter grove]

How do you double dip med stations if they already restore your hp to 100%

[agile forge]

You meet a Crusher 5 seconds later

Presto, another wound

[sinful palm]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Crusher : hello nice health bar you have here

Lemme take a look 😂😂😂

[winter grove]

Ehhhhhh

I need to actually remember last time I got downed by crusher

[final stag]

Veteran with the 50% damage resistance when leaving stealth had me survive a crusher overhead

[sinful palm]

And proceeds to follow you all map with thag big hammer raised above his head

Lmao 😂😂😂😂

[final stag]

I was sure I was gonna become pavement but I survived and I was like
DID I JUST TANK A CRUSHER OVERHEAD???

[agile forge]

Crushers are the bane of my existence

[sinful palm]

Man i remember first time encountering a crusher

[final stag]

They don't intimidate me much

It's rager packs for me

[sinful palm]

Such good times and memories with my boys😂😂😂

[final stag]

Maul your entire team to death and it's just awful

[sinful palm]

Oh yes and ragers man i hate them

[agile forge]

I think I'm bad at melee

[sinful palm]

I prefer to go toe to toe with 10 crushers than 3 maniacs

I can't stand them

[winter grove]

Since when I started using dclaw mk4 I actually stopped dying to ragers

[agile forge]

It's the Crushers when I'm pinned in a mob

[sinful palm]

This is why i keep my rev allways reloaded

For them

[winter grove]

Reminds me of time I ran head first into mob of scab ragers and came out with like 5% of my hp damaged

Leaving me like with 95% more of my entire hp bar

[final stag]

I use the Rashad so I'm able to rip apart anything but ragers
I hate them more than crushers

[winter grove]

I actually need to remember last time I got downed by a crusher on vet

Cus almost every build I have has a way to deal with them

That or someone on my team runs PG and he steals every elite special kill

[agile forge]

Do the weapon special and ping for assistance tbh

[agile forge]

Happens to me mostly on my autogun build

I think if you run VoC you can tank them

[winter grove]

Which autogun?

[agile forge]

CIAG but it's because I run E stance

[winter grove]

I run Bolter, Mg Ia, Laspistol Mk X and Agri shotgun

On my builds

[winter grove]

I don't think that's the problem

Crushers are piss easy to avoid

Unless you're stuck in a horde

[agile forge]

It's when I get stuck in a small room with a horde

And the Crusher just wades in and bonks me

[winter grove]

Then zero questions

I'd fucking die too

[agile forge]

My build is mostly antishooter and anti squishy elite/special

Crushers and enclosed spaces kill me, but my VoC plasma build handles them better

[winter grove]

So you're basically doing MG Ia's job but worse(?)

[agile forge]

Mm, I wouldn't say worse

[winter grove]

Doesn't seem very comfortable tbf

[agile forge]

CIAG's dps gets so high, it's as if I had cleave

The antishooter part is probably worse than a Ia true, but I think I deal with elites in depth better

Also the funny MF synergies

[winter grove]

I should make a build for MG4 to use the gun 90% of whole match

[agile forge]

I also don't use mods and my hand gets tired after a while, so fast semiautos are not for me

[winter grove]

I mean you can oneshot gunners in head with Ia(?)

[winter grove]

Ia is really comfortable

Like legit

[agile forge]

It's on my list

[winter grove]

It's not fast as hell and not slow either

[agile forge]

CIAG also does boss dps as well though

[winter grove]

Oh yeah that's a CIAG pro

Touche, since Ia is a elite/special and shooter sniping

I guess hitting headshots on bosses also counts but yunno

[agile forge]

I love the Ia in theory, I just have to get around to building one

[winter grove]

Here's the question

[final stag]

I can deal with one easy enough it's when they spawn in packs

A pack of crushers is less threatening then a pack of ragers smh

[winter grove]

Do you want double the crit damage on weakspot shots or do you wanna have ranged immunity for every weakspot hit

Basically just do you want Headhunter or Ghost

Or

Wait shit

It's Deadly Accurate or Ghost

Headhunter is essential

[agile forge]

I think I tend to value the damage

[winter grove]

You can grab DA then

Ghost is really nice too

Especially if the shotgunner mob appears

[sinful palm]

Idk but crushers are the most fun type of mob in the game . So big and fat and with that big hammer above his head follows you all map to bonk u in the head lmao 😂😂😂😂

Sometimes i feel bad for them when they explode 😂😂😂😂

[late hatch]

Ghost is so good

Hit n run isnt as good but still feels pretty nice

[dawn garnet]

should i upgrade flak or dumdum?

.5% doesnt feel good enough

[wanton dawn]

Dumdum would we 2.5% accross the board

Its arguable which is better

[dawn garnet]

eh might as well leave it as is then idk if either is worth the plasteel

[wanton dawn]

Could wait for craft rework

Marginal gain either way

[dawn garnet]

yeah no chance id get anything better for a very long time

[agile forge]

Anyone know what the odds are of Melk having power cycler 4 on any given day.

[late hatch]

Very low

[agile forge]

So I have observed lol

Just wondering if anyone has done the probability analysis

[dawn garnet]

zero

took me like 2 months to get slaught 4

[dawn garnet]

i have a list of blessings i look for thrust 4 power cycler 4 and to a lesser extent slaught/headtaker very rare

if you wanna do spreadsheets im happy to tell you what blessings i get on each of my char i have a level 30 of each

[late hatch]

People have spent millions of dockets and tens of thousands of plas rolling brunts and months camping the store and melks for pc4.

[copper barn]

Melk only ever gives you lvl 4 blessings that you already own or don’t want.

[dawn garnet]

i got surge and slaugt4 from melk

[hearty panther]

the odds are probably not that bad

[dawn garnet]

thats about it

[copper barn]

Maybe…just maybe you get one blessing you really need for one weapon every three months.

[dawn garnet]

i tried to get thrust 4 for hammers and i spent like 17k plasteel on it

[copper barn]

But then you still need another five blessings for four different weapons.

[hearty panther]

seven blessings on the power sword, two per weapon, upgrades on a 300+ are just about evenly split for being tier 3 or 4 on roll

[dawn garnet]

i swear they give good blessings lower odds

[hearty panther]

confirmation bias

you stop rolling once you have the good one

you keep rolling if you get bad ones

ergo more bad ones

[copper barn]

Still haven’t gotten an uncanny strike for my force swords and it’s been three months.

[late hatch]

Low value blessings appear 10x more than high value belssing though

[copper barn]

After bricking twenty 370+ swords I just gave up.

[hearty panther]

what is a 'low value blessing'

[dawn garnet]

i got decimator 4 for one of 2 shovels i ever rolled

[copper barn]

It’ll come to me eventually.

[late hatch]

Blessings that are trash

[hearty panther]

that's not a real category flagged in the game

[late hatch]

Like completely non meta trash that gives very low value for the slot

[hearty panther]

also refer again to confirmation bias

[copper barn]

You telling me you don’t love suppression blessings that do nothing? I’m getting the inquisitor

[agile forge]

I saw PC4 like three times

But lacked the melk points and time to play

[hearty panther]

every blessing has the same chance to be rolled and the only thing that makes Power Cycler 'unique' is that it's relegated to two tiers only

(other blessings are like this too so it's not literally unique)

[dawn garnet]

this is pretty much the only plasma gun i ever rolled

i swear you get better blessings as soon as you hit 30

[hearty panther]

if you're still at a level range or the weapon rating allows for Tier 2's to appear on an upgrade then the chances are gonna be even lower

[copper barn]

I’ve only ever gotten power cycler from trying to get other blessing, got it early but now I’m cursed with never getting good blessings ever again.

I just want rampage for my knife man…

[hearty panther]

there's ... no rampage for knife? <.<

does you knife look eight feet long and has an engine and serrated teeth

it may secretly be an eviscerator

[late hatch]

Doubt. I have rolled dozens and dozens of weapons and seen the same blessings pop up like 9/10 times, low value non meta blessings that are trash. If you want to belive otherwise that is fine, but your beliefs dont change the facts

[copper barn]

My bad I’m mixing it up with another perk then. Point kinda still stands.

[hearty panther]

this is funny

[copper barn]

With the power of the drip mod you can.

[hearty panther]

ya i kinda want to now

but the anims would be so cursed

twirling a 40lbs. eviscerator in your hand and stabbing it down

[late hatch]

Rolling THammer and seeing the same trash blessing over and over and over again. You can say they are equal chance, but either myself and other people I play with have had lottery winning type odds come through, or the odds are not flat

[hearty panther]

no you just dont understand statistics, which is totally normal

most people are bad at stats and im not that good either

[dawn garnet]

you are assuming every person is a chance of getting that is not true

the sample size is weapons blessed not people blessing

[late hatch]

Its perfectly POSSIBLE to roll 20 1's in a row, but the actual chances of it happening are incredible low, and for it to happen to several people consistently, is not just an oddity. The blessing odds are not flat.

[dawn garnet]

buying 100 hammers and blessing them should get you the same odds

[hearty panther]

... and who does the blessing

yes exactly

[dawn garnet]

the game

[hearty panther]

of course you dont get "a bunch of good rolls", you stop once you have it

you reproduce a lot of bad rolls because they're bad

so just as you said

if you did a full bulk of 100, 1000, 5000, whatever number

you'll see it even out pretty reliably

[dawn garnet]

yeah

but what im saying is other blessings have higher rates

[hearty panther]

the only real X factor outside of that is which number of tiers the blessing occupies

so something like Run n Gun, being only Tier 3, shows up a lot less

and outside of that, your clvl and the ilvl

so we're just going to assume you're 30 and buying 300+ gear

because otherwise i mean, you're hurting yourself

[dawn garnet]

it took me one day and about 2k plasteel to get flurry4 and nexus 4

thrust 4 is just more rare

[hearty panther]

at least in as far as Power Cycler is concerned

[dawn garnet]

bruh im not even gonna play put more time into vet and ogryn until they fix the crafting

no way im doing all that grind again for gear

[hearty panther]

supposedly that's what's next

[dawn garnet]

i have one usable set for vet thats enough

[hearty panther]

too late for me anyway, or i guess doesnt matter

[dawn garnet]

my shovel is so fucking sexy ngl

[hearty panther]

im just mad that i cant krieg-skin the new shovels

i get that the model would be all fucked up but like

cmahn

[copper barn]

Whenever it gets changed you mean.

[dawn garnet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1221172334254362694/f6a89e6cfe8ab3fa06a75526f879decb.jpg

this bad boy can kill so many heretics

[copper barn]

Might be a long while tbh.

[final stag]

I think I also own the Krieg shovels too

[hearty panther]

idk i like the crafting system, super hot take i know

not love, just like

i got to try out and play with all sorts of dumb fucked up shit

[dawn garnet]

stockholm syndrom

[hearty panther]

and in the slow arc of time i still got the good stuff anyway

[final stag]

L m a o

[hearty panther]

all i want is things to hit heretics with

[dawn garnet]

sure thats fine but not everyone can spend 2k hours on game

[hearty panther]

and there's way more variety of items here than VT2

[dawn garnet]

the barrier of entry is so stupid for new players

the game doesnt teach mechanics very well

[hearty panther]

where you just put that +5%CC and +5%AS with SS and call it a day for 99% of weapons

[late hatch]

Yeah I have like 800 hours and still missing plenty of top tier weapons. This crafting system is utter ballsweat

[hearty panther]

oh yeah i def play too much

but i mean in my mindset, i wasnt always trying to top gun the best weapon, i just used what i got

the best of the best eventually just drops in your lap

[dawn garnet]

i have about 700 i have about 3 god rolls and 5 builds im happy with 4 for psyker and 1 for zealot

[hearty panther]

and like, the 550 Bolter I have still does everything the 503 Bolter I was using for 1,000hrs before it did

the funny numbers werent really that important

[dawn garnet]

i dont even want 550s i just want stuff with the blessings and perks i want

[hearty panther]

hardcore runs are fun for me too in that everything you use will be dogshit for the difficulty youre at

and that means my best chance of success is learning every weapon i get as precisely as i can in the psyk

this is what i find fun

[dawn garnet]

are you the vet i saw bring in scavenger to auric?

[hearty panther]

still havent made it to level 30 w/o a death tho

god no, i hate scavenger

that is funny though, i bet they still did pretty well

[late hatch]

I have quite a few godrolls and plenty of high tier, but like 500 hours in a game and you are forced to just gamba roll hundreds of thousands of gold to collect t4 blessings and get good stat distros that just get bricked by hadron. This is bad design, and I agree that people that say its good are either delusional or trolling

[hearty panther]

with only the top tree stacked out

[dawn garnet]

they were ok

but scavenger is better than the run fast one or fire team

[hearty panther]

yes i hate the whole thing

and i cant wait for them to delete it, it's very overdue

[dawn garnet]

like bruh dont even redo crafting just add one extra lock and make blessings combinable or some shit

thats good enough

[old quail]

i dont think theyll accept a solution that purely lowers the time it takes to get a weapon you want without adjusting any of the other systems

[hearty panther]

combinable blessings was the original idea

it was not a good idea