It has so much damage and mobility though
#veteran-class
paper mural
paper mural
There is absolutely no reason to under value dodging
It can one to two headshot next to anything non carapace in the game with criticals
winter grove
You're going WS, it literally kills the weakness of a powersword
hollow ibex
"so much damage" compared to what exactly
i mean the single target damage is definitely solid, and the horde damage is nothing amazing but workable
jaunty sphinx
I think every 200+ leaver should be executed by firing squad
paper mural
You're going WS, it literally kills the weakness of a powersword
And I like not taking damage all game, works pretty well for me
tall torrent
It can one to two headshot next to anything non carapace in the game with critic...
Ur not gonna believe this but most veteran melee weapons can 1~2 headshot everything if they crit
jaunty sphinx
I swear to fucking god this community has gotten worse
winter grove
And I like not taking damage all game, works pretty well for me
If you like not taking damage go ranged or try VoC
There's nothing a shovel can't do unironically
paper mural
I use VoC pretty much every game
last parcel
There's nothing a shovel can't do unironically
you ever tried using a shovel as a d- nevermind
winter grove
you ever tried using a shovel as a d- nevermind
Nothing stops you
I use mk6, don't get me wrong
fast sundial
now i remember why i stay in psyker chat 
winter grove
But outside of heavies it's damage is underwhelming
hollow ibex
you ever tried using a shovel as a d- nevermind
only after i finish shit shoveling duty
paper mural
Just tried giving my two cents on a fun build thx ✌️
fast sundial
she didn't?
tall torrent
That’s 4/4 bricked lmao
fast sundial
yeah i wanna say brickus maximus
winter grove
Bricked
tall torrent
oh I thought thrust was good.
On veteran? No
fast sundial
thrust is like, a thammer thing
tall torrent
On veteran u want unarmored, BM + headtaker
fast sundial
and flip shovels
jaunty sphinx
nvm killing myself
tall torrent
Lemme send u the combat axe page
fast sundial
axe is alright
tall torrent
nvm killing myself
prisma herald
is this bad boy any good?
tall torrent
axe is alright
This is a sad Rashad
tall torrent
is this bad boy any good?
Not great
fast sundial
This is a sad Rashad
it's compensated for by use of vet talents
like all the random damage boosts
tall torrent
it's compensated for by use of vet talents
Can u hit scab bruiser 1HS
tall torrent
Did u grab like every single +melee Dmg talent or smth
fast sundial
something like that
tall torrent
Ideally this is smth ur looking for
jaunty sphinx
ok im gonna take a break now because I lost the freest auric ever to a rage quitting psyker
fast sundial
this git, yeah?
jaunty sphinx
Ideally this is smth ur looking for
god I pray every single day for that skin to rotate back in
tall torrent
But it’s very hard to reach scab bruiser 1HS without unarmored
tall torrent
with stacked headtaker and agile engagement i get it
Generally you want to hit it with full HT stacks without any other caveats
fast sundial
either way you're saying i'd get better mileage if i just used +unarmoured instead of the flak
fast sundial
good to know
lyric dock
this git, yeah?
If you remove the numbers. This feels like the perfect reaction image
fast sundial
unfortunate
lyric dock
Unfortunate indeed
stone tapir
ok im gonna take a break now because I lost the freest auric ever to a rage quit...
psykers be like that sometimes
omg, omg, i just got the luckiest blessing roll ever for exactly what i needed to finish my recon lazzor build
lyric dock
It'll work
umbral scaffold
the space book says you are hallowed to use only flamer, chaindword, autopistol and eviscearator with zealot
slow spade
Only 4+? Not my Zealot 😎
umbral scaffold
Only 4+? Not my Zealot 😎
u can't argue the book
umbral scaffold
Only 4+? Not my Zealot 😎
actually the militarum verion has more
anyway boltgun is lore-inaccurate
slow spade
u can't argue the book<:Smug:736624565588983848>
Brb joining the Black Templars so I can ignore the book
umbral scaffold
Brb joining the Black Templars so I can ignore the book
it's not the codex astartes
slow spade
it's not the codex astartes<:lul:825836255853674540>
Sorry I didn't join the Black Templars to read 😎
The only things I understand are the Zealot tools of the trade
austere mica
Hows this for vet
tall torrent
Hows this for vet
playable
winter grove
the space book says you are hallowed to use only flamer, chaindword, autopistol ...
Too bad
We're criminals for a reason
Now give me my spearhead boltgun
midnight totem
well that game was bullshit
three vets that kept hosing hordes with bullets, died in melee when they ran out of bullets, no ammo aura or ammo conservation among any of them, and no ability to check the flanks
dawn garnet
you generally shouldnt clear with ranged weapons unless its a braced gun
midnight totem
door opens and there's a horde of shooters infront of us
dawn garnet
that shit with survivalist is pretty much infinite ammo
midnight totem
stealth melee vet immediately fucks off running straight head
late hatch
I like running almost full shooty with my c5
midnight totem
dies on the other side of the map
the other two are running forward shooting in his path
dawn garnet
yeah stealth vet is my Q to dodge
midnight totem
and theres two gunners on the side of the door shooting them, and I'm like "wtf"
turn around
I play stealth vet
and I'm damn good at it
dawn garnet
ok how many good ones have you seen?
dawn garnet
yeah how do i know the guy on my team is one of the three of you?
late hatch
Most gamers are on the casual side
agile forge
you generally shouldnt clear with ranged weapons unless its a braced gun
CIAG can too if you run E stance
midnight totem
its not "casual" to know to stick together and look around
I feel like shit having carried these dumbfucks to a victory with ogryn
dawn garnet
ciag is so nice
late hatch
its not "casual" to know to stick together and look around
This game is very diff from most shooters. If you never played tide games before it is incredibly diff from pretty much anything else
dawn garnet
look at this qt
late hatch
Swap out punishing and its pretty damn nice
dawn garnet
do people go firefrenzy or deathspitter with dumdum?
late hatch
If they made punishing like +40% on any hit 3rd and 4th it might be viable but its just bad.
late hatch
do people go firefrenzy or deathspitter with dumdum?
I think either is alright, cant remember best and im in queue for a diff game atm
agile forge
Fire frenzy or raking fire I think
Raking fire can be better for bosses
Deathspitter is usually seen as being a bit shit iirc
dawn garnet
tbh i have firefrenzy and deathspitter on my braced gun and i'm usually not even in range for that to proc
punishing salvo is trash so anything else even if i dont use it as much is better
junior needle
do people go firefrenzy or deathspitter with dumdum?
Deathspitter gives power which gives cleave and isn’t subject to close range damage mechanics
So typically DS, but you can just go stripped too
dawn garnet
yeah but for it to activate i have to be in close enough range to get the close kill for deathspitter
the fuck is this bullshit if i kill something from a grenade or a bleed then switch to the weapon firefrenzy doesnt activate either
dawn garnet
long bomb is stupid easy just throw one during the end of the ammo mission
austere mica
Is this good for a dumb Lawbringer clear build?
final stag
Hehe silly I love silly builds
austere mica
Just pulled a random point for opening salvo because shotgun
Also should I run the infinite cleave on crit blessing or Flecette
rose ingot
long bomb is stupid easy just throw one during the end of the ammo mission
I got it the second mission I tried it, easy stuff
But On Overwatch seems much more difficult
rose ingot
Insane flex
austere mica
Shovel my beloved
rose ingot
Is there any difference between the three varieties?
tame lodge
Mk3 and 7 (right?) are foldable and extremely good at dispatching nuisances
tall torrent
Is there any difference between the three varieties?
Just go with mk7
jaunty sphinx
eager kraken
What's the best/most fun veteran builds currently?
late hatch
Fun is subjective. Best is plasma, rev, ciag with mk6 ps with pc4.
I have mostly been playing mk10 laspistol with mk7 shovel
cold moss
im loving my power sword and braced autogun
melt anything but elites with sword, melt elites and specialist with autogun
perfect combo
late hatch
iag > brauto
cold moss
but i agree that its subjective
ive maxed out veteran and zealot and it took me some experimenting what weapons I liked along with the talents setup associated with that build. at first ill just to a general build to get me to lvl 30. by then if i havent found a weapon set i like, thats where i start first. then i work the talen tree around that to compliment and better use of my weapons. then after all that i go back and get 3 Curios that compliment the entire build
late hatch
Im not trying to belittle you but my ogryn is ~130 and the other 3 are all >150, and I go off info from the stats nerds.
By all means use what you enjoy, but there are objectively better weapons when you do dps checks and testing.
cold moss
oh im sure no doubt of that lol
lethal lantern
hi guys, what's the ideal stats on a plasma gun? (perks, blessings, mods?)
cold moss
im just agreeing with you that its subjective, whether you go off of stats from other people that have crunched the numbers or just off the cuff
late hatch
hi guys, what's the ideal stats on a plasma gun? (perks, blessings, mods?)
There are a couple viable combos. Gets Hot is great. It already 1taps pretty much everything so you can take unyeilding for bosses and ogryns, cara for crushers and maulers.
lethal lantern
ah ok. so blaze awaya nd volatile are ideal blessings?
what melee would you use for everything else?
late hatch
I think gets hot is better than volatile since charging is pretty much never worth it apart from a few edge cases
austere mica
I think gets hot is better than volatile since charging is pretty much never wor...
Charge speed affects uncharged
every shot uses charge speed
late hatch
mk6 power sword is the king os melee weapons but it requires activation to work well, unpowered swings are pretty meh. mk4 chainsword and mk7 shovel are both great.
gets hot, blase away, volatile, and shattering are your best blessings. volatile helps you shoot faster, blaze and gets hot increase your damage per hit. shattering is only useful vs ogryns and bosses
austere mica
But no blessings on Plasma are especially necessary besides blaze away, and only kind of for blaze away
it helps majorly with nuking elite hordes
lethal lantern
good to kno
ive always been a brauto guy but it's like playing the game on easy mode
looking to create a nice plasmagun
late hatch
If you like the brauto try out the c or g iag
lethal lantern
whats that?
jaunty sphinx
Oh if you think brato is easy mode, just you wait until you're used to plasma
lethal lantern
LMAO
i have a mediocre plasma atm per above recommendations
i got really lucky with a good brauto roll
brb gonna practice with plasma 😛
late hatch
whats that?
testing cara with onslaught, it does ok, the perk can be unyeilding for bosses
I also like this one with hit and run
The 1st is more of a stand and shoot, 2nd is more of a dodge and slide mobility gun
late hatch
This is my most used gun atm. hits hard, great move speed, and weapon swap is lightning fast. Has built in suppression immunity and with ghost you are immune to ranged as long as you hit a head every 1.2 seconds
Also has great headshot damage and crit headshots are 
tall torrent
hi guys, what's the ideal stats on a plasma gun? (perks, blessings, mods?)
78+ dmg
78+ stopping power
69+ thermal resist
elite + flak
gets hot + gloryhunter / blaze away
tall torrent
This is my most used gun atm. hits hard, great move speed, and weapon swap is li...
I'd suggest dum dum over infernus since this one doesn't shoot fast enough to stack infernus that well
lethal lantern
78+ dmg
78+ stopping power
69+ thermal resist
elite + flak
gets hot + gloryhunt...
any skill tree recommendations?
i managed a plasma with volatile and shattering impact :S
tall torrent
any skill tree recommendations?
one sec
late hatch
I'd suggest dum dum over infernus since this one doesn't shoot fast enough to st...
infernus helps a lot vs bosses and ogryn gunners though
tall torrent
infernus helps a lot vs bosses and ogryn gunners though
mk10 is more breakpoint 1~2 shot focused, infernus is better on mk2 cuz it doesn't kill in as few shots and gets to stack infernus on things
late hatch
I have a bunch of diff laspistols
tall torrent
@lethal lantern this is what I use
lethal lantern
nice. ty!
eager kraken
Fun is subjective. Best is plasma, rev, ciag with mk6 ps with pc4.
Is there a good coherent build guide for some of these builds? Im newer to darktide
late hatch
Is there a good coherent build guide for some of these builds? Im newer to darkt...
check pins
eager kraken
check pins
I see useful weapon and talent guides but no example builds for the weapons described
I may just make my own but I only got like 6-7 hours in this game lol
junior needle
ah ok. so blaze awaya nd volatile are ideal blessings?
No, volatile is essentially useless currently
Gets hot and then either blaze away or glory
Oh whoops, someone answered already
late hatch
Man I'm so sick of ogryns that forgot how to switch to melee and spam fire into chaff
late hatch
I see useful weapon and talent guides but no example builds for the weapons desc...
There should be something for blessings and perks
tall torrent
I see useful weapon and talent guides but no example builds for the weapons desc...
Which weapons are u trying to use
midnight totem
the idiots in heresy are all trying damnation tonight
junior needle
Man I'm so sick of ogryns that forgot how to switch to melee and spam fire into ...
Me except with recon users
late hatch
neat stratus
thin flame
where ogryn
austere mica
Sometimes the winning move is to just not play
arctic rampart
@thin flame if you don't know, then use the new one. the mk7 (https://darktide.gameslantern.com/weapons/shovel/munitorum-mk-vii-sapper-shovel) has light, light combo for horde clear which is excellent. you use special and heavy for elites. its excellent. Flak + Maniac
Uncanny Strikes + Decimator / Skullcrusher***
Flak + Carapace
Uncanny Strikes + Thrust / Limbsplitter
The first shovel is more horde, the second is better at elites
thin flame
oh hey that's exactly what i use
not a perfect one but i enjoy it
will probs switch from carapace to maniac cuz my gun handles carapace
terse idol
I may just make my own but I only got like 6-7 hours in this game lol
I would certainly wait until youère max level baasically
all weapons bar a few are useable
eager kraken
I would certainly wait until youère max level baasically
Ah ok, what are some good perks to pick and use in the mean time?
terse idol
Ah ok, what are some good perks to pick and use in the mean time?
Oh uh, I mean experiment, Voice of command is hard to go wrong with.
I will say, try everything Avoid combat axes, and Tactical axes until level 30 honestly
Buuut, like give things a tryy
Infiltrate is a very solid ult
Executioners pairs well with automatic weapons and semi-automatic weapons as well.
fast sundial
Executioners pairs well with automatic weapons and semi-automatic weapons as wel...
so, all weapons?
vague smelt
Well, in 8 hours I reached LV18 as veteran and the difference is huge , damn shout is so nice
fast sundial
voc is indeed nice
vet toughness is so brittle that i wanna say not running exec is core
loud oyster
At least with inflintrate, you disengage from the enemies that are troubling you, allowing you to reposition. For any exec build, I consider the talent that gives you much more toughness dr while above 75% toughness to be mandatory.
dusky flare
Executioners is definitely the most team/coordination reliant. Can suffer greatly in pugs
loud oyster
I find that exec really does excel in those ventilation purge situations, since it highlights the enemies through the fog, beats walking blind if you ask me.
final stag
Exe can be good it just requires some building around
Infil and VoC don't need to build around a team however
fast sundial
i don't like exec simply because i already own the Mk I Eyeball and my gun is sufficiently lethal
final stag
I use exe on my funny boss/ogryn annihilator
Bolter not as bad as I remember now that I'm using it
fast sundial
bolter is unfortunately like plasma but with a 5 year draw time and ammo problems
potent iris
trim hemlock
Bolter at least has some proper BIG LEAD feedback
odd sparrow
wish they would buff bolter cleave
trim hemlock
Plasma just... spews hot air, wooo
fast sundial
Bolter at least has some proper BIG LEAD feedback
maybe this is why i became a big iron enjoyer
odd sparrow
atleast they fixed the audio issue with plasma so you atleast get it now
silent plasma was so cursed
final stag
I just don't like plasma but bolter is pretty fun
High finesse too
Could prolly run a exe stance with it with insane reload 💀
late hatch
bolter does bonk pretty hard, but I find the irons pretty ugly, and it suffers pretty much the worst draw time in the game. You can fix the first with customisation mod, but youre stuck with the 2nd
final stag
They draw time isn't as bad as it once was
last parcel
executioner's stance
final stag
Still slow but bearable and with exe immediate draw time it fixes it
agile forge
bolter does bonk pretty hard, but I find the irons pretty ugly, and it suffers p...
You can skip it with a few tricks, or e stance. @hearty panther
junior needle
Bolter needs some qol adjustments
Using it physically pains me
It doesn’t even have big boolet hit box like the revolver
grand perch
It doesn’t even have big boolet hit box like the revolver
that should be amended, yes, but i think the clunkiness is just fine for a boom brick like the bolter
also if they ever replace the bolter iron sights with a scope, they will curse us with this in the same change:
junior needle
It isn't even an astartes sized boomer
Also absurd recoil on rocket propelled projectiles is silly
It has an initial charge that only needs to be strong enough to get it to exit the barrel
wanton dawn
I want a better hotbox too
umbral granite
Is it weird that I run Grenade tinkerer, Field improvisation, Demo-stockpile, and Demo-team all in the same build? (i use frag grenades).
late hatch
It doesn’t even have big boolet hit box like the revolver
the rev fire basket balls
late hatch
Is it weird that I run Grenade tinkerer, Field improvisation, Demo-stockpile, an...
I generally dont run tinkerer as 20% isnt really worth it for me over that point into another node, but the other nade nodes are all pretty good for me
I have a couple builds that drop the extra nade so I can reach a keystone without sacrificing other good stuff
final stag
Is it weird that I run Grenade tinkerer, Field improvisation, Demo-stockpile, an...
That's hilarious keep running it
I did the math earlier if the stars aligned and of you hogged all of the ammo boxes you could theoretically throw over 100+ grenades in a single match
Of course the stars have to align but it is funny regardless
umbral granite
I generally dont run tinkerer as 20% isnt really worth it for me over that point...
The key bit that makes me take grenade tinkerer with frags is actually the radius increase. 25% may not seem like a lot at first, but on some portions of some maps it means 1 grenade can clear a whole room worth of trash-mobs where you would normally need to either toss 2 grenades or do some fancy kiting.
errant nexus
Does anyone use smoke grenades?
final stag
I do for one of my support exe builds
late hatch
Oh that isnt the 20% to thrwoa 2nd nade? I must have gotten the names mixed up, a few vodkas down tonight 
errant nexus
Huh I never had
Figured I would just blind myself and the AI can see me regardless of vision
umbral granite
Oh that isnt the 20% to thrwoa 2nd nade? I must have gotten the names mixed up, ...
You're thinking of this i think
final stag
That is such a silly one
umbral granite
my friend ran it a single time, with his krak grenades, on a malice mission when he was new to the game.
It proc'd when he threw them at a plage ogryn... the malice level plague ogryn basically died.
He's never taken it off since.
late hatch
gamblers fallacy lol
Consistency is pretty much always better than a small chance to pop off
umbral granite
Hence why i always grab grenade tinkerer when i can.
Bigger blast radius = more chaff cleared with fewer grenades = less times when i am panicking because i'm getting swarmed and dont have a grenade.
late hatch
I almost exclusivly use nades for groups of elites, bosses, crusher packs, or a downed team mate
one frag nade and then the mk7 shovel can finish crushers with a headshot
ciag with onslaught does pretty good into crushers too
and the mk7 shovel heavies do alright into chaff
or ps6 activations
umbral granite
85% of my games are on quickplay (i like to get those bonus rewards), and a good 70% of my games have teamates who just dont know how to deal with mixed hordes. so, grenades into the horde to clear it of chafe and weaken the elites is how i am typically forced to go
vale ledge
Be funny if we had like a class that was just an angry mob leader that had a army of expendable grunts as a character
Like HYPER expendable while you having shite hp and all to back it up
umbral granite
Be funny if we had like a class that was just an angry mob leader that had a arm...
servo-skull as playable class when?
loud oyster
You're thinking of this i think
This a pretty hiralious talent with frags, but otherwise, I never saw the point.
vale ledge
servo-skull as playable class when?
Nah lemme reitterate
ITS JUS AN ANGRY FUCKIN MOB
Uses action skill:
Guy to the crowd: “Auto guns for everyone!” Violent cheering
(If you get the reference you get it and I tip my hat to you)
vague smelt
Why are console players this bad
agile forge
Uses action skill:
Guy to the crowd: “Auto guns for everyone!” *Violent cheering...
"Can we have new shoes :( "
lyric dock
<:dissapoint:1160690229435445320> Why are console players this bad
You're still in the "Tutorial" phase of Darktide to be fair
And assuming you're doing Heresy games ATM....Yeah welcome to the trenches
lyric dock
As long as they don't die within the first 5 seconds of the first encounter
vague smelt
Well.., about that
lyric dock
They died within the first encounter....
vague smelt
At least one of them yes
wanton dawn
I see console player above 1000
vague smelt
Then last stage of the dreiko people just don't run on extraction
Just run for love of god
vague smelt
RUn as fast as you can
Anothe garbage game lol
So, for some reason, the Psyker DCed and then Reconnects AT THE START OF THE MAP????
When we are at the end?????
lyric dock
So, for some reason, the Psyker DCed and then Reconnects AT THE START OF THE MAP...
That can sometimes happen
1st screen shot is a instant block from me with that comment from Skuf
fast sundial
Anothe garbage game lol
i'm more interested in the chat log
vague smelt
i'm more interested in the chat log
Complains about teammates, dies, DCs, Reconnects 3 times
and dies again
sinful jacinth
Most loudest person is also the most useless.
tall torrent
Anothe garbage game lol
lv24 “control mage” bro is just bad at melee and can’t deal dmg
agile forge
I just got on overwatch basically by accident lmao
Heresy Archivum Sycorax, not even wearing a headset because playing with gf
realised I was on track for it about halfway through the mission
got very nervous in the finale lmao
lyric dock
Probably was in a big ass horde and kept blasting
lyric dock
Most loudest person is also the most useless.
The general rule of thumb
umbral scaffold
I have rn 23k Melk coins
fast sundial
<:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163> lv24 “control mage” bro is just bad at melee a...
"I'm a cc caster, you're supposed to kill them while i hold them" mentality
vague smelt
Ugh
I need 4 levels more
But I'm too tired
Anyone wanna carry me on Damnation just for a quick exp boost
lyric dock
"I'm a cc caster, you're supposed to kill them while i hold them" mentality
"But YOU'RE not doing damage so there for you bad" - 0 brain cell player
wanton dawn
300k damage with frags, that's pretty good 
Dont use kraks in no ammo maelstrom folks. They are bait
tame lodge
Dispatching one crusher vs dot in area
final stag
Anyone wanna carry me on Damnation just for a quick exp boost
Probably would but I'm working 😔
vague smelt
Meh I just need 2 levels more
Then I'll spend all my Plasteel reserves on a good Columnus V
Right, Hadron? 
final stag
I got a half decent veteran bolter that I use for my veteran Abbot jfjrnr
oblique horizon
Anyone wanna carry me on Damnation just for a quick exp boost
I can if you still need help
lyric dock
My Bolt gun
wanton dawn
My Bolt gun
Looks like an ogryn weapon
lyric dock
It was once used by a Ogryn according to Brunt
terse idol
so, all weapons?
😌
Well especially automatic weapons
umbral scaffold
<:dissapoint:1160690229435445320> Why are console players this bad
yeah ok, but don't use the trash board use the right one ...and basically 95% of the playerbase is trash so console or not 9/10 times u are dealing with a bad team
vague smelt
yeah ok, but don't use the trash board use the right one<:OmegaGuardsmanHype:968...
I don't know which one is the right mod
umbral scaffold
I don't know which one is the right mod
@wanton dawn show the right scoreboard to the flock
i'm abusing this fooooking emoji 🤣
aaaaanyway running stealth zealot partially solve the problem of running with a trash team
tall torrent
They were LV30 +20
That’s not that experienced tbh
crude fiber
did they change falter? didnt it used to be just a percentage boost to stagger?
also rip gun
tall torrent
did they change falter? didnt it used to be just a percentage boost to stagger?
No?
Wait
Huh
crude fiber
i could have sworn it used to be a bonus to weakspot stagger
chilly saddle
I officially play way too much Darktide. This morning staring at my ceiling fan wondering which Mark of Munitorum power sword it is
crude fiber
instead of less stagger reduction by armor
tall torrent
i could have sworn it used to be a bonus to weakspot stagger
I think it still is?
Weird
zealous wyvern
I officially play way too much Darktide. This morning staring at my ceiling fan ...
nice
crude fiber
well its current description make me think it would now deal like 10 stagger to crusher? vs what i think it used to just give flat bonus to total weakspot stagger. whuch would have been 0 x 1.8 = 0
maybe im tripping. still not an optimal blessing
tall torrent
well its current description make me think it would now deal like 10 stagger to ...
Dw 10 stagger to crusher still does Jack shit, you need like 40 to interrupt its overhead
chilly saddle
I think the description is different for headhunter auto guns and lasguns since lasguns have no stagger to begin with increasing it would do nothing so for lasguns it ignores stagger resistance
wanton dawn
<@369921403098628097> show the right scoreboard to the flock<:OmegaGuardsmanHype...
I can but that is not very nice for other ppl
crude fiber
chilly saddle
Mandela effect
crude fiber
i know they had a cornucopia dont you gaslight me
dim edge
I just had an auric match in carnival where the other players kept going to the middle at the end battle to hit the flare/revive others with 200 enemies swarming them. I would Infiltrate, get all 3 back up, and they just charged middle to die again. I use conc stim, Infiltrate again to get them up...gues what they did? CHARGE MIDDLE!
rare bough
I've noticed that when the flare pops up a lot of people seem to abandon the defensive bottleneck.
I don't understand why
Even if everyone runs out there to try to trigger it, why not run back?
agile forge
Tbh I love when the group decides to defend somewhere else
The tunnel of love is too easy
rare bough
Yeah holding one of the top spots is fun
agile forge
But if you're barely hanging on just stay in there lol
lyric dock
I just had an auric match in carnival where the other players kept going to the ...
I see you got some Krieg cosplayers 
No sense of self preservation
rare bough
I can't believe that arena isn't where the Karnak Twins fight took place. Then again, Torrent is Zola's old home and it's her story
zealous wyvern
idiots
lyric dock
The tunnel of love is too easy
A good change is make so enemies spawn more aggressively in the behind spawns. Because now you only need 1 player watching the back since you get a small group of walkers along with bruisers with the random flamer or 2
vague smelt
Why does Melk behaves politely when you play Veteran
somber axle
Milk treats the Loose Cannon like he's always disappointed in seeing her
Sometimes he comments on how we stink
"Unenviable aroma"
vague smelt
I can if you still need help
Sure, I just need 1 single game
vague smelt
"Unenviable aroma"
Like ogryns...zealots
oblique horizon
Sure, I just need 1 single game
Sent you a friend invite
hybrid token
Why does Melk behaves politely when you play Veteran
he only does that if youre the professional
somber axle
Like ogryns...zealots
And my Loose Cannon Vet. At least we know why she always comments on her outfits being itchy. Poor hygiene.
vernal zinc
Do you think we’ll ever be able dual wield
Like pistol and power sword
Or two laspistols
oblique horizon
Do you think we’ll ever be able dual wield
Dual melee weapons? Id say yes. Ranged or mixed? Not so sure even though we had a couple in VT2
fast sundial
@tall torrent thoughts?
fast sundial
Dual melee weapons? Id say yes. Ranged or mixed? Not so sure even though we had ...
we have sword, and we have dagger
sword and dagger when?
vernal zinc
Dual melee weapons? Id say yes. Ranged or mixed? Not so sure even though we had ...
Dual stub revolvers or dual laspistols would go hard though you have to say?
fast sundial
Dual stub revolvers or dual laspistols would go hard though you have to say?
i could see the revolvers thing as like a vt2 brace of pistols type deal
where you whip out a 2nd revolver after the first is empty
effectively just increased mag size
oblique horizon
Idk, I just think they still have a lot of unique weapons to add first: Melta, hellgun, 2h chainaxe
bitter turtle
<@366562874039992331> thoughts?
perk/blessings are as good as th ey can be
just check if the penetration is good enough to 2tap crushers
and 1 body tap ragers
it probably is fine though
shut talon
idk what happened but either I miscounted or each shot in a revolver counts as "last in the clip"
shrewd lagoon
fast sundial
perk/blessings are as good as th ey can be
i guess i would need to fiddle with talents if indeed i care for these breakpoints
or i just depend on agile engagement and call it a day
warm olive
idk what happened but either I miscounted or each shot in a revolver counts as "...
same kind of fun things to know is brainburst kills counts for headshot success
shut talon
same kind of fun things to know is brainburst kills counts for headshot success
I found this out pretty early since I made my psyker first
warm olive
I found this out pretty early since I made my psyker first
me too but i'm kind of new xD
shut talon
I mean, same, I got the game march 5*
bitter turtle
i guess i would need to fiddle with talents if indeed i care for these breakpoin...
just run the tree path suggested before
honest to god
there is no reason to run anything else besides moving to another ability
if you dont want to use shout
revolver is very one dimensional
to build, there's no reason to play anything except wep specialist for example
and just check if that tree hits the bps
fast sundial
just run the tree path suggested before
suggested when and where, if i may ask?
bitter turtle
you can move the last keystone subnode into demo team or something
or other minor adjustments
if you like
but in general the major points of the tree have no reason to deviate
fast sundial
interesting, no agile engagement
bitter turtle
it only really benefits your melee if you take it
the only BPs this tree + a perfect revolver doesn't reach
are BPs that are basically impossible to reach
rose ingot
I need help with On Overwatch
bitter turtle
like crusher 1shot or reaper 1shot
you'd havve to do something completely meme like Marksman Focus revolver to reach those
and i dont think i need to explain why that's a bad idea
fast sundial
ah well, my revolver will not oneshot scab ragers with that tree
oblique horizon
Ah wait
I gotta go for now but feel free to ask for help if you need anything else later:)
wanton dawn
Got this one by doing a solo sedition
vague smelt
I gotta go for now but feel free to ask for help if you need anything else later...
Nah this is what I needed
I'm lv 30 now
Now I can get rid of all this garbo
and craft some 370s
Now I have to check the weapon guides again
arctic rampart
That tree looks pretty good. I'd probably grab krak grenades they are a big help and good boss damage.
arctic rampart
Another option you could drop fully loaded (25% ammo) and the very excellent superiority complex for +25 toughness and rending strikes.
tall torrent
<@366562874039992331> thoughts?
Penetration a little low but probably hits every breakpoint it needs, congrats
wanton dawn
(Its fine. Def not my style though)
vague smelt
Idk I just took it from some tryhard
tall torrent
https://i.gyazo.com/eb35f3ecb13a8ab350743ba8f5e59b52.png
Can swap desperado for stam boost
Actually would recommend that
vague smelt
Works fine for me
tall torrent
Unless ur melee needs desperado
Could also swap the keystone toughness node for stam boost
wanton dawn
I never play marksman focus
vague smelt
you gotta try
tall torrent
I'm currently using this tree
This with Columnus mk5?
vague smelt
This with Columnus mk5?
Ye
wanton dawn
I tried
vague smelt
and knife
tall torrent
I wouldn’t go onslaught, personally
fast sundial
Penetration a little low but probably hits every breakpoint it needs, congrats
it does, with an asterisk
vague smelt
Columnus is just too op
vague smelt
I wouldn’t go onslaught, personally
what about armor
wanton dawn
My own CIAG build is VERY different
tall torrent
what about armor
Bring a melee to kill carapace
Onslaught only really exists to kill crusher (mediocre at it still)
tall torrent
In situations where you’re not dealing with crushers with your gun
Onslaught has very minimalistic gains against other Armor types
You’re probably better off running duck & dive + deadshot
vague smelt
Doesn't that apply to unyielding too
tall torrent
Doesn't that apply to unyielding too
Yes, which ciag doesn’t suck against
You can casually hit 4k dps on reaper
wanton dawn
You’re probably better off running duck & dive + deadshot
TBF it is very all-in build
vague smelt
I mean I've been watching this veteran main vids and some explanations about how these nodes work
wanton dawn
I mean I've been watching this veteran main vids and some explanations about how...
OH GOD
TAKE COVER
wanton dawn
SOMEONE POSTED HIM
vague smelt
never seen a salty player?
last parcel
AAAAAAAAAAAAAA
tall torrent
I mean I've been watching this veteran main vids and some explanations about how...
Let’s just say that he has some pretty questionable takes
vague smelt
Like...what
wanton dawn
EVERYONE THIS IS NOT A DRILL
wanton dawn
Let's put this that way: we dont talk about this one here
tall torrent
Like...what
Like, he made a 1hr veteran guide without knowing how middle keystone functions, or how to use frag grenades
vague smelt
So I'm just looking for solid sources
tall torrent
So I'm just looking for solid sources
I have a guide
vague smelt
I'm using it
and I'm taking it for reference
I'm just looking at different resources
wanton dawn
As it stand the opinion on him is this: he is not good enough for the attitude
vague smelt
Eh
Attitude is indiferent
everyone is angry in videogames
ever seen COD players in 2012?
that was fun times
tall torrent
everyone is angry in videogames
He doesn’t know everything he’s talking about to be forming valid opinions
vague smelt
Hmmm
tall torrent
Like, if I write about a blessing in my guide I try to describe every function it can come across
He doesn’t
vague smelt
I suppose you're right
tall torrent
Like, if I write about a blessing in my guide I try to describe every function i...
This is why the blessing pages look very very different from what the game tells u
The game doesn’t tell u that deathspitter doesn’t stack from mk9 shotgun’s fire shell DOT kills
rose ingot
Any suggestions for On Overwatch?
vague smelt
Ah he said something about that on one of his videos
tall torrent
The game also doesn’t tell u that laspistols are naturally immune to suppression so Between The Eyes is completely redundant
vague smelt
So
tall torrent
The game doesn’t tell u that reciprocity can’t stack from dodging elite ranged attacks
There’s a reason I put reciprocity at “niche”
vague smelt
I just reached lv 30 and I have a stack of dockets and plasteel to craft at least 1 reliable weapon
wanton dawn
You can use him as a source, just don't tell us
vague smelt
You can use him as a source, just don't tell us <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163...
Idk I'm not defending his opinions
tall torrent
I just reached lv 30 and I have a stack of dockets and plasteel to craft at leas...
Mk5 IAG is ok, but I’d go with a very different looking build
Like, I wouldn’t go onslaught personally
I wouldn’t get reciprocity either
I would consider deadshot + duck & dive + hit&run + target down
If you’re into high risk high reward
wanton dawn
Plasma, CIAG, Revolver are on top
Plasma is better with VoC, CIAG with exe, revolver with weapon specs
tall torrent
I would consider deadshot + duck & dive + hit&run + target down
Like, this is the highest possible mk5 IAG dps you can get, with dum dum
Onslaught only exists for carapace
wanton dawn
There are other very good gun (agri brauto, bolter...) but more niche and less flexible talent tree
vague smelt
Perhaps I've been looking at his videos without noticing he only mentions the best from a solo player perspective
tall torrent
Vraks 3 and Vraks 7 are also very good
wanton dawn
Personally I don
vague smelt
I just want overall the best in efficiency
wanton dawn
t like lasgun in general
Best in efficiency is plasma
You can bring it in all maelstrom with good result
tall torrent
Mk5 IAG and Zarona revolver
rose ingot
Alright, did some further reading for the On Overwatch penance. Apparently if you just hurl yourself off the map at the very beginning and don’t have someone revive you, it’s complete?
Can anyone confirm?
tall torrent
Those 3 are strongest
But if you want more than the “top 3 strongest”
There’re a lot more options
vague smelt
I wanted to try one of the reccon las guns
wanton dawn
Can anyone confirm?
It is eh, hard to confirm: most of us got it patches ago and this can get fixed on any hotfix
vague smelt
which one was the good one
tall torrent
Helbore 1 & 2
Vraks 3 & 7
MG1a is pretty good
Laspistol is pretty good
vague smelt
one*
tall torrent
I wanted to try one of the reccon las guns
They’re all pretty undertuned rn, if you had to I’d go with 6d or 7a
vague smelt
ah 7a
wanton dawn
Not the II, it is the worst
rose ingot
It is eh, hard to confirm: most of us got it patches ago and this can get fixed ...
I need to complete the damn things
I’m devoted to it at this point
tall torrent
I took out onslaught
You don’t need the 2nd stam regen boost
You could grab 15 stacks for MF if you want
What melee are u using
tall torrent
Uh
vague smelt
But I was thinking to craft a shovel
tall torrent
I guess reciprocity + desperado isn’t that bad
If you had to play knife
But unironically knife wants a lot of +dmg talents
vague smelt
I mean that's why I took rep and desperado
wanton dawn
I did said I though the tree looked fine
wanton dawn
Well, I won't comment on choice
vague smelt
What's MF
tall torrent
That’s like so counterintuitive
vague smelt
Eh because I was using Columnus but for that I could just take Specialist key stone instead?
tall torrent
Knife basically wants like every +dmg talent u can get
wanton dawn
In general you cant go wrong with focus target
vague smelt
Again I'm just a little brainwashed from other sources
wanton dawn
Weapon specialist is good but it is very melee oriented
tall torrent
But I was thinking to craft a shovel
Go with mk7 if u want shovel
vague smelt
Let me first craft a decent weapon
and pray for Hadron to not make me waste 10K plasteel
on horrible dumps
Because this crafting system is tiring
wanton dawn
I have a plasma that I won't touch until crafting rework
wanton dawn
yes
vague smelt
What is the chance Hadron will brick this weapon
wanton dawn
What is the chance Hadron will brick this weapon
vague smelt
Let me try craft a single columnus
Because I really want to have one of those
I know it has many horrible blessings to get pass by
wanton dawn
I can't complain anymore she made me this a month ago:
vague smelt
but
I don't know how it works yet
Never used it
There's a lot of weapons to choose christ
bitter turtle
Let me try craft a single columnus
columnus is very easy to craft
there's only 2 stats that really matter
bitter turtle
and a lot of blessings on it are decent enough
uh
isnt that the same thing
unless they invented a way to conjure a weapon out of nothingness
vague smelt
Idk all the columnus IAGs I tried to make were utter garbo perks
bitter turtle
during my not-playing in the past week
vague smelt
stamina, groaners, not even a single flak or maniac
bitter turtle
just swap the perks and look for one with ok en ough blessings
there's like 4 good blessings on it
and you don tneed to gamble at brunt that much
since it only has 2 dmg rolls
tall torrent
hey is this powersword good
Yes
void rampart
Raking Fire my beloved 
dawn garnet
camping the store is better than rolling at brunts
bitter turtle
i mean
why not do both lol
i dont think anyone ever has missed buying a decent store item bc they lack 20k dockets
dawn garnet
because i dont enjoy wasting 700k just for one good grey to brick
bitter turtle
what else are you going to do with your dockets
vague smelt
camping the store is better than rolling at brunts
maybe
bitter turtle
buy cosmetic recolors?
sinful jacinth
Stopping power is part of your dmg.
tall torrent
hey is this powersword good
Basically unbrickable
dawn garnet
if a random good weapon i got from brunts bricked idc as much
void rampart
I finally built myself back up to 15K Plasteel and was back at 5K trying to roll a good trauma staff 😔
tall torrent
But u need power cycler
vague smelt
Basically unbrickable
You think so?
tall torrent
You think so?
Well ur already 1/4 correct
vague smelt
Well ur already 1/4 correct
bitter turtle
1 off perk isnt going to matter that much tbh
vague smelt
What you just said
bitter turtle
good work
its unbrickable now for sure
well, cycler 4 is ideal, but 3 is usable enough
vague smelt
But what exactly does Power Cycler
hollow ibex
cycler 4 is a pretty big deal
bitter turtle
usually only gives 1 powered swing
agile forge
But what exactly does Power Cycler
Extra swing with the empower
hollow ibex
since you're constantly activating
vague smelt
Hmm
bitter turtle
3 and 4 gives 2 and 3 swings respectively
and yes cycler 4 is big, just 3 is usable since it enables the stab strikedown combo
vague smelt
dawn garnet
I finally built myself back up to 15K Plasteel and was back at 5K trying to roll...
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1220817563332907069/cd6.jpg you're gonna hate me
bitter turtle
switch cycler 3 to 4
vague smelt
Tier IIIs as usual
bitter turtle
swich block efficiency to maniac or unyielding
bromentum 3 and 4 are basicall yhte sam ething
void rampart
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1220817563332907069/c...
Yep
I'm still trying to get Warp Nexus on Trauma. ANY Warp Nexus
hollow ibex
Very nice
void rampart
even tier 1
agile forge
Yeah just hold it until you get PC4 on another PS
dawn garnet
Yep
I'm still trying to get Warp Nexus on Trauma. ANY Warp Nexus
do only blue getting to gold is a waste
hollow ibex
Yeah that’s pretty much a good roll
dawn garnet
thats how i got flurry and nexus 4
arctic rampart
Switch MK6 to MK3
arctic rampart
plasma
tall torrent
Mk6 is the better power sword rn
agile forge
Switch MK6 to MK3
Why downgrade like that lmao
vague smelt
Should I dump this IAG?
tall torrent
Should I dump this IAG?
SP a bit low, could farm blessing if u want
void rampart
maybe farm a blessing off it
agile forge
Should I dump this IAG?
That is not the one. Stopping power most important stat.
arctic rampart
I like mk3 more because its more mobile especially around the activation. Mk6 has a little better angle but not enough to matter compared to mobility
agile forge
Mk6 has the block cancel though
tall torrent
Mk6 activates faster actually
agile forge
And the much better single target combo
arctic rampart
that is true, if you're into the block cancel you must use mk6!
agile forge
PA L4 is crazy
vague smelt
Here
void rampart
Hmmm i see
If ur still at an early level and you got plasteel to spare, no harm rolling weapons for a good blessing even if their stats are trash, just lets you collect them for other weapons
bitter turtle
great stat distro
arctic rampart
good luck with hadron
vague smelt
Hadron is gonna screw me again
bitter turtle
again
dawn garnet
may you get flak 4 and dumdum4
vague smelt
first roll
void rampart
CIAg is one of the easiest weapons to roll, I'm sure she won't do too bad
dawn garnet
no no wait
bitter turtle
tall torrent
he cant get weakspot again
He can get crit
void rampart
saveable until purple
bitter turtle
just roll shit perks so you cant get them again
tall torrent
Or groaner dmg
bitter turtle
dawn garnet
He can get crit
FUCK
vague smelt
second roll 
bitter turtle
Good
dawn garnet
ok usable
bitter turtle
raking fire is my 2nd favorite blessing on ciag
bitter turtle
its ok
dawn garnet
AHAHAHAHA
bitter turtle
orange roll will save you
tall torrent
WHAT IS THIS
Lmao
void rampart
Orange can save it
bitter turtle
just need 1 more
dawn garnet
GO ORANGE
vague smelt
No it cannot be saved
tall torrent
orange roll will save you
He’s gonna roll terrifying barrage
bitter turtle
rip
tall torrent
No it cannot be saved
Ok gg bricked
dawn garnet
f
void rampart
No it cannot be saved
dawn garnet
new crafting system will fix it
bitter turtle
tbf
you could keep stamina
and just live with it
lul
deadshot memes?
maybe?
vague smelt
new crafting system will fix it
Yes, in another 4 months
bitter turtle
very cope
dawn garnet
more stamina more deadshot
bitter turtle
but ciag is strong enough that you can just cope
dawn garnet
cant cope wont cope
my only good ciag is on my zealot
i legit can only play plasma and shovel on my vet
vague smelt
here another
dawn garnet
how the hell are you doing this well at brunts
vague smelt
how the hell are you doing this well at brunts
Well?
tall torrent
57% stability
Recoil is gonna be recoiling
vague smelt
I spent 300K for 2 370s
dawn garnet
took me 300k for one sword with good damage and first target
tall torrent
I spent 300K for 2 370s
That’s really good
dawn garnet
yeah thats better odds than me
vague smelt
Ok first roll
dawn garnet
they can just crouch
thats some call of duty shit
bitter turtle
crouching actually helps ciag recoil a ton
arctic rampart
yeah normally 1 per 500k
vague smelt
ugh......
bitter turtle
so CoD it up
vague smelt
I don't have any faith on this
void rampart
blue can save it
tall torrent
Go gold
bitter turtle
yeah that suggs
dawn garnet
bruh
void rampart
purple can save it
arctic rampart
you're more limited by cash than plasteel
vague smelt
You sure...?
dawn garnet
we need help
tall torrent
You sure...?
Yes
dawn garnet
were legit gambling addicts
bitter turtle
they seem to BELIEVE
vague smelt
dawn garnet
the crafting system is unhealthy
arctic rampart
meh
tall torrent
Works
arctic rampart
I'd dump it now
vague smelt
Yeah..I will sorry
tall torrent
Crit chance on IAG is not bad
vague smelt
Yes but 2 awful rolls
bitter turtle
its not bad but ngl i'd rather do deadshot on the other gun at this point
void rampart
Orange will save it
vague smelt
and pray for 1 good roll on a 900 plasteel
bitter turtle
than gamble the orange
tall torrent
Yes but 2 awful rolls
If u roll 4th good, it’ll be just fine
vague smelt
vague smelt
What is the distance on Deathspitter
tall torrent
Told u
bitter turtle
just swap punishing -> dumdum
deathspitter needs an 8m kill but the power bonus is at all range
dawn garnet
What is the distance on Deathspitter
crap like 8m or less
tall torrent
What is the distance on Deathspitter
Stack from 8m
Buff applies at all ranges
arctic rampart
and sprint for flak
vague smelt
Not very impactful considering I'm always close
dawn garnet
i was talking about this yesterday im never in range for it to proc
bitter turtle
to stack
dawn garnet
yeah but REALLY close
vague smelt
it needs u to be close
reread what I said
void rampart
it needs u to be close
think they meant the downside of it only being within 8m
is not impactful
vague smelt
This thing does not stack right
dawn garnet
and it doesnt activate if a bleed kills the target while the weapon is equiped which is bullshit
vague smelt
it's flatout 6.5%
tall torrent
This thing does not stack right
Stacks 5 times
vague smelt
Ah
bitter turtle
it stacks 5x
vague smelt
stacks?
dawn garnet
if it activates its good
bitter turtle
go into psyk and you'll see it stacks 5x
vague smelt
So this IAG is salvageable
bitter turtle
yes
dawn garnet
but generally im never in range for it to even acticate with a braced gun
bitter turtle
deathspitter is the best "generic" 2nd dmg blessing after dumdum anyway
raking fire for big monstro damage
vague smelt
Do I use Dum Dum III or try get Dum Dum IV
bitter turtle
dumdum III is fine
tall torrent
Do I use Dum Dum III or try get Dum Dum IV
3 is fine
dawn garnet
Ffs really
the range is stupidly low you're not gonna use it as much as you think
bitter turtle
III vs IV is incredibly small for dumdum
dawn garnet
Do I use Dum Dum III or try get Dum Dum IV
dumdum 3 is fine
tall torrent
the range is stupidly low you're not gonna use it as much as you think
8m is longer than u think
bitter turtle
like 0.5% per stack
vague smelt
so this is the gun
tall torrent
It’s not great but it’s not that short
bitter turtle
good
bitter turtle
whatever you want to play
tall torrent
so this is the gun
Congrats u now have better gear than the avg damnation QP player
dawn garnet
8m is longer than u think
yeah i tried deathspitter andfirefrenzy and i'm not a big fan of either i have to be very very close
vague smelt
yeah i tried deathspitter andfirefrenzy and i'm not a big fan of either i have t...
Let me ss the distance on training
dawn garnet
i was hoping if grenade kills still activated it but they dont either
tall torrent
If u want chainaxe just play shovel tbh
vague smelt
yeah i tried deathspitter andfirefrenzy and i'm not a big fan of either i have t...
this is the max distance
Was MK7 the good one?
tall torrent
Was MK7 the good one?
If u want shovel, go mk7
vague smelt
Oh my godnessss this columnus slaps
bitter turtle
just remember to crouch for super long range shots
at like 30m+
to help recoil control
dawn garnet
i really wish they let chars share inventory
void rampart
enjoy it while it's overtuned to fuck
dawn garnet
my vet can make my zealot's caig sing
vague smelt
The recoil ain't that bad tbh
void rampart
i really wish they let chars share inventory
they share blessings funny enough, i thought that was strange
dawn garnet
my beloved
tall torrent
my beloved
No uncanny
vague smelt
@tall torrent ever thought about adding info relating curios
dawn garnet
No uncanny <:Sitgryn:1016269420638765107>
thrust is fine and deci is good 😭
tall torrent
<@366562874039992331> ever thought about adding info relating curios
I might
tall torrent
thrust is fine and deci is good 😭
Non-uncanny copium
dawn garnet
uncanny is only good if you hit weakspots i will simply ignore all weakspots
vague smelt
Mark 7 where is mark 7
bitter turtle
thrust + carapace for 1shot on crusher
dawn garnet
i think you can one shot crushers without carap if you have thrust 4 and use tag
dawn garnet
sir thats not a shovel
tall torrent
I also got this
what is your luck
dawn garnet
its a very good strategy
vague smelt
I usually get and sometimes I don't get anything for half million dockets
tall torrent
Bad new is that DC swords are insanely easy to brick
dawn garnet
<:staregryn:1022085083844325376> what is your luck
no no if you buy the wrong weapon on accident its usually a good roll
vague smelt
Bad new is that DC swords are insanely easy to brick
wish me luck
dawn garnet
good luck asshole as if you dont have enough already 🙄
agile forge
Oh my godnessss this columnus slaps
Try it with E Stance. Deadshot and MF too if you feel extra spicy
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Try it with E Stance. Deadshot and MF too if you feel extra spicy
What was E Stance and MF
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<:staregryn:1022085083844325376> what is your luck
Am I lucky?
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E-Stance: Executioner stance
MF: Marksman Focus
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I have MF
With tunnel vis included
So
should I replace the groaner for Flak and I'm good to go with it?
And I could even improve Savage to IV?
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I'm not familiar with Devil Claw swords so no idea
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Idk I'm checking the guide the cat person gave me
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You can easily keep E Stance active forever if you use CIAG
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and I got 3/4 S tier rolls
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And it prevents suppression
Helps make the recoil much more manageable
Obviously bonus damage
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Where is Stance located
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Helps pick out targets so you can go antishooter focus
Left F ability
It replaces VoC
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Ah the abbility
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It's shit compared with VoC in most circumstances
But I think it's competitive with CIAG
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I'll try it but I'll make a separate tree
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Exe Stance is nice with the Plasma since it makes it easier to wall bang specials or elites hiding behind cover you can't mark
Or lets you see incoming specials like Muties or Trappers
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Vet has a few good Anti-Carapace melee options like the MK7 Shovel
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Remind me to get one as soon I get another pack of dockets
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Your wallet is looking a good bit light