It's like center of the CS it's weird
#veteran-class
midnight totem
I always assumed it was its mouth
final stag
Yeah that's center mass jfjdjd
Cs also move so aggrivaringly awkward that shooting at weakpoint isn't worth
Just unload on the bitch and call it a day
umbral scaffold
It's like center of the CS it's weird
it could be worse thoght talking papa's stuff
final stag
That's like a greater daemon
We'd be fucked if we faced one (they'd probably shit on us and that would traumatize me)
umbral scaffold
That's like a greater daemon
no it's a chaos spawn, greater deamons are different
midnight totem
If some Bretonian nonce could take it I certainly can
final stag
Kinda looks like a great unclean one
midnight totem
Kidding. It'd probably breathe on me then I'd die of super aids
That's strictly named space marine territory
umbral scaffold
That's like a greater daemon
your standard great unclean one
final stag
Nah average blokes can kill some pretty gnarly stuff
Maybe through sheer luck but whatever
midnight totem
Sheer luck, bit of the Emperor's favor, and a lot of cajones
rose ingot
Plasma gun any good?
midnight totem
Probably best veteran gun
somber axle
Honestly yeah it's probably the strongest Vet weapon right now with only maybe the Columnus Infantry Autogun and Agripina Mk II Revolver competing with it
I'd still say it's leagues ahead of the revolver too
final stag
Competing?
rose ingot
That good? Damn
final stag
Those guns hardly hold a candle to plasma gun
It's 1st place
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2nd place revolver!
midnight totem
Honestly yeah it's probably the strongest Vet weapon right now with only maybe t...
You mean the zarona
final stag
Agri still is sexy
somber axle
Zarona Mk II revolver is really, really good and also funny on melee vets who like weapon specialist
final stag
Been using the Rashad on my melee vet
Feels so nice to lop off like 3 heads in one swing
midnight totem
Agri has that cowboy feel
final stag
And I love it
somber axle
Quickdraw is funny for Big Iron memes
final stag
I think of it like the masterwork pistol
It does dummy damage to bosses
I think in my humble opinion it's the best boss dps weapon.
midnight totem
I got pissed trying to long distance snipe a sniper or gunner behind cover though
final stag
I did it here I think I have a clip fnfn
tame lodge
Strap a run and gun to it
final stag
somber axle
I only recently discovered how good the Rashad axe is after playing Zealot a bunch
midnight totem
Nice
somber axle
I need a good Rashad axe on my Vet
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Idk if this helps but
If you put HUD scale on lowest (50%), you get smaller crosshairs
midnight totem
Not my preferred weapon for it though sadly
final stag
Rashad fucks on melee vet fnndnd
tall torrent
Made hipfire weapons a lot easier to aim with for me
midnight totem
I've bricked 7 revolvers trying to get a good one with both surgical and hand cannon
final stag
Agri wants crucian+handcannon
somber axle
Hadron giveth but she mostly taketh away 
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I've bricked 7 revolvers trying to get a good one with both surgical and hand ca...
I’ve bricked 41 DC swords to get a decent DC7
final stag
Unyielding+flak is also perks I try to go with it since it's main purpose in life is to delete big targets hfndn
midnight totem
The current one I use has crucial 4 and handcannon 4. It's good enough lol
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midnight totem
It actually works fine with melee vet anyway since I guarantee first shot crits with weapon specialist
final stag
I love WS
somber axle
Truly the Arizona Ranger coming to town
final stag
I am the Arizona ranger
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At least I have this
final stag
The atoman ranger
final stag
My cowboy build
The Atoman Ranger
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Need a good outfit for Ranger look now
Prob wear savlar coat
tame lodge
Strap a run and gun to it
I'm either insane or that blessing actually reduce spread
frank monolith
At least I have this
how high is the base crit rate for that weapon
somber axle
Prob wear savlar coat
Definitely but when cowboy hat
final stag
I made mine look Falloutishly
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how high is the base crit rate for that weapon
I don’t think any of the melee weapons besides tac axe and knife have innate crit chance bonuses
gleaming lynx
what are the breakpoints for Lucius mk II ? unarmored, flak, maniac?
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what are the breakpoints for Lucius mk II ? unarmored, flak, maniac?
Unarmored + maniac
somber axle
If you use the Scion helmet with the Salvar coat you get something resembling the FNV NCR Rangers
frank monolith
I don’t think any of the melee weapons besides tac axe and knife have innate cri...
cant be used on my cd zealot
final stag
I like the gas mask better fnndbj
It also has resemblance to a ranger
somber axle
Gas mask is very nice yeah
final stag
I'm a fan of running off meta
final stag
I still think @tame minnow should give the agripinaa revolver a little bit of cleave so you can shoot through allies
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Flak is acceptable but maniac + unarmored is the best all-around for HB2
Flak gives u scab rager 1HS
dusty nacelle
get rid of the agripinaa revolver entirely and put its fan the hammer on the zarona special attack and give zarona a speedloader reload >:)
cuz it's not good enough already
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Maniac gives u more consistent trapper 1 hit, 1 crit headshot both flamers, and 2 bayonet weakspot stab mutant
It’s just higher value than flak generally speaking
Unarmored is for dreg gunner 1HS
final stag
get rid of the agripinaa revolver entirely and put its fan the hammer on the zar...
That would be cancer. Shooting fucking boulders at high speed would delete anything
final stag
Maniac gives u more consistent trapper 1 hit, 1 crit headshot both flamers, and ...
Does agri have an innate crit chance because I feel like it does. It crits often.
dusty nacelle
That would be cancer. Shooting fucking boulders at high speed would delete anyth...
the plasma gun would finally have competition
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Does agri have an innate crit chance because I feel like it does. It crits often...
Which Agripinaa
Mk14 revolver?
final stag
Agri stub revolver
midnight totem
That would be cancer. Shooting fucking boulders at high speed would delete anyth...
It's like having a pocket rock ogryn
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All revolver have crit bonus roll
final stag
Oh nice
final stag
O h
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Veteran innate is 5%
final stag
No wonder agri deletes bosses quick. It crits all the fucking time in a quick succession
midnight totem
31 with the vet crit node
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Deadshot adds 25% more
final stag
Along with handcannon smh
midnight totem
Then force a psyker to run crit aura
final stag
And crucian which adds another like 5% ever shot
warm olive
your standard great unclean one
I can smell it from here
final stag
So another 5%
split spoke
I still wouldn't crit
final stag
So after two shots all your shots are guaranteed to crit
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Crucian IV is 6% for every shot expended
midnight totem
Crucian 4 is 6 percent
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So after two shots all your shots are guaranteed to crit
Not exactly because weapon specialist only works for 1 shot
tall torrent
But it’s generally somewhere in the 60~70% crit chance range
midnight totem
Max bonus you can get off it is 24
final stag
That's a lot of crits
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It’s not as funny as Boltgun zealot but it’s good
final stag
Jfjdjd
midnight totem
Also if you pause reloading on a zarona
final stag
Cowboy vet and wizard cowboy
midnight totem
You get the level of Crucian it should be at
austere pine
what in the world was this. i played the full match and the "russian" spoke like 3 times total
tall torrent
Crucian needs buff still imo
midnight totem
Crucian needs to be at least 1 percent per bullet for the headhunters
At least 7 or 8 percent on the revolvers
austere pine
renegadkaya was the only reason we managed to win. god-tier plasvet, and jesus was just... doing stuff? i dunno. i was doing hammer zealot and they were doing chainsword zealot. no clue what i was doing but even less of a clue what they were doing
final stag
what in the world was this. i played the full match and the "russian" spoke like...
BlUr out tHe nAmesFasT
austere pine
BlUr out tHe nAmesFasT
why? so the xenophobe is protected?
final stag
We can't post other people's names on this discord 😔
final stag
Nfnsnd
Not anyone's gamertag or name
It's on the rules jfjsn
I accidentally did it too
austere pine
panic
austere pine
rules, to me, are always very common sense. don't harrass people, don't advertise other servers, don't post nsfw into non-nsfw, the works...
final stag
Yeah but they have a no witch hunting policy here
I didn't know either lmaoooo
Though agreed. Fuck the xenophobe 🗣
winter grove
We can't witch hunt
Leave that to vermintide server, they've got witch hunters in fantasy
final stag
I love Warhammer fantasy sm
My pfp was my Warhammer fantasy role-playing game character
Brigand turned State trooper
gleaming lynx
Crucian needs buff still imo
do you have one of those graphics with breaking points for the Standard-issue Shovel?
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do you have one of those graphics with breaking points for the Standard-issue Sh...
One sec
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Made a mistake on limbsplitter, it’s every 5/4.5/4/3.5s
But everything else should be right
next furnace
the definition of insanity
final stag
I would cry fhdjd
midnight totem
Quick question
Is there a way to find out what melk and brunt is selling without starting up the game?
last parcel
lyric dock
the definition of insanity
Imagine being the heretics guarding you and they just hear constantly yelling Vacuum capsule
final stag
I'd fear the rejects too
lyric dock
The only reject the Heretics would really fear is a Ogryn and the Zealot
final stag
I dunno if I saw some average schmuck lopping off 3 heads then sniping my sniper with a shotgun I'd fear them too
And a psyker is a wizard that makes heads disappear sooo
dusty nacelle
the definition of insanity
Crazy? I was crazy once
They put me in a room
A rubber room
a rubber room with vacuum capsules
final stag
Cries
rose ingot
Tried using the plasma gun a couple runs, I’m not sure I like it much
The damage output is decent but aiming it is a pain and the reload is abysmal
lyric dock
It's something you get used to over time with aiming
final stag
Tried using the plasma gun a couple runs, I’m not sure I like it much
I know it's powerful. I just dislike it too. Isn't my favorite weapon of all time fjndjd.
rose ingot
I got an exalted Columnus, should I try that? I think I read earlier it’s pretty good
final stag
It's pretty good. Again at low levels you should try out everything to see what fits your preferences
final stag
^^
lyric dock
It'll give you a control space to get a feel for the weapon
final stag
Test it's combos and special
lyric dock
Only builds should be thrown out into the real missions 
final stag
I test builds in real missions without truly testing them because im impatient ntndnd
warm olive
Thats like the 10th 379 gun I have to throw on my vet coz my blessings are shit 😦
lyric dock
Hadron being Hadron as usual
final stag
I roll with the punches
I did test out the Rashad with brutal momentum in the meat grinder yesterday because I was like
If this doesn't work in a real game I'll be a REAL liability but it works extremely well
lyric dock
These are some of the weapons I have from my Vet that I built over time and gotten lucky with
final stag
God how I would love to name my weapons :(
lyric dock
I have a mod that lets me name weapons
Helps when you have a big inventory of them so don't sell it off by accident
final stag
So true plus it feels badass to have a personal weapon to slay heretics
final stag
Which axe is the best
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Rashad mk2
final stag
Rashad fhndnd
frank monolith
Rashad mk2
thank you 
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thank you <a:Lilith_Poggers:1111710941764145243>
Rashad is actually one of the strongest melee weapons in this game
But it’s pretty hard to roll for on veteran
frank monolith
im rolling it for my zealot
im going to try to get the perk with crit and brutal momentum on it
to see how it feels with charge crit cd or invis crit cd build 
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im going to try to get the perk with crit and brutal momentum on it
You don’t need crit
Don’t play crits on Rashad
midnight totem
god
I don't like helbores, but brunt just gave me a 379 helbore 3
with 25 flak base
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This is from perspective of veteran
tall torrent
with 25 flak base
Too bad HB3 wants maniac + elite
midnight totem
alas
ah well, 25 flak, 25 manic
one of the blessings was no respite 4, the other was falter 2
this is workable
lyric dock
Quick question: How do you build the MK 7 shovel for Vet?
final stag
But it’s pretty hard to roll for on veteran
Kind of need brutal momentum but with all the buffs melee vet gets you kind of maul your way through everything
I've never felt so ruthless than with the Rashad carving through enemies
Feel like a savage fnnend
lyric dock
Thanks!
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Kind of need brutal momentum but with all the buffs melee vet gets you kind of m...
It’s not “kind of need BM”
It’s “literally bottom tier not worth playing without BM”
midnight totem
brutal momentum lets you cleave through the hordes
final stag
Yeah fjjd if you hit heads which isn't that hard
lyric dock
Fuck you Hadron
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Playing combat axe without BM is just looking to suffer
midnight totem
and if you don't hit heads why are you a vet? just play psyker or zealot
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Fuck you Hadron
umbral scaffold
Fuck you Hadron
why are your weapons so cool looking
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It is what it is
lyric dock
why are your weapons so cool looking
Weapon customization mod
umbral scaffold
fuck being on console this sucks
final stag
Felt
umbral scaffold
i want cool shovels i fucking love shovels
umbral scaffold
shovels are the coolest part of darktide
final stag
They're so silly
I love how one of the special weapons for veteran is just
Oh yeah here's a shit shovel we found, have fun
frank monolith
This is from perspective of veteran
do you have the pentagon for the knife III, i just want to see what they look like compare to rashed 2 
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do you have the pentagon for the knife III, i just want to see what they look li...
I have every veteran weapon except autopistol, revolver & shotgun
somber axle
Tbh using a shovel you dig latrines with to fight Poxwalkers probably means the shovel was cleaner before you used it you fight
lyric dock
When in doubt. Cuss Hadron out for results 
hollow ibex
Knife? Niche? Ur mums niche reeeeee
somber axle
I know Loose Cannon Vet has a voice line talking about how she once dug latrines for the tempestuous scions while going through the sewer map start
final stag
You have some really high finesse and works well with crits. Good pen too but horde clear is a struggle lolol
tall torrent
Knife? Niche? Ur mums niche reeeeee
Niche is “think before u play it” which I think is pretty accurate for knife
hollow ibex
Niche is “think before u play it” which I think is pretty accurate for knife
Same with ur mum 😠
final stag
Knife is funni
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I would not tell a player who just got his first lv30 character to play knife vet
hollow ibex
Knife best melee
final stag
Same
I wouldn't recommend knife to any new players honestly
Hell I see new players light spam with the DC against carapace
hollow ibex
Yeah that’s prob true
final stag
And I'm like
Dang. Homies gonna become a mural
frank monolith
Niche is “think before u play it” which I think is pretty accurate for knife
agreed
final stag
Though if you get good with the knife you feel like a badass too.
hollow ibex
Yeah it’s a very rewarding weapon
final stag
With how the flip and spin the knife while killing high priority
tame lodge
Bring a shovel, to a metal fab, or rockrete streets
You know, a pickaxe might be better for some stuff
final stag
I like to think my vet isn't fancy with the knife and is just relentless using strength over finesse jfnfn
midnight totem
alrighty, I tested out the helbore 3 I got
its hard to describe how much dick the melee attack on it sucks
I fear it would be very heretical
tame lodge
It goes hard against void shield
tall torrent
its hard to describe how much dick the melee attack on it sucks
“This bayonet moveset is how the death korps suffered 17 years on Vraks”
somber axle
Bayonet Helbore Mk III is awful and I feel like it is never worth using. Better to swap to melee even with the awful weapon swap speed
I only use the Bayonet on the Mk I and Mk II
final stag
Bayonet helbore mk3 is why the death korp is known for simply dying stupid bastards fnndnd
I feel like the loose cannon would talk shit about most regiments
somber axle
I think she makes fun of Cadians for being sad but simultaneously sympathizes with them sometimes
I can't think of any other voice lines off of the top of my head making fun of any other regiments
final stag
Both male and female counterparts make fun of cadia if a cutthroat and Professional is on the team dnndnd
Cutthroat doesn't threaten them however unlike agitator (f) who he threatens when she says if cadia had more faith they'd still be around.
I am glad However they cut down how much the cutthroat talks about cadia cause in the beta he spoke about it a tonnnn
somber axle
Let them fight. The rest of the rejects can take bets on who will win
dawn garnet
idk how it was in beta but i feel like fem cadian has no lines
final stag
Fem cadian is missing lines
tame lodge
The agitator wins
dawn garnet
Fem cadian is missing lines
AMMO?!!?!?
umbral scaffold
is a knife build for vet really good?
final stag
I also feel like fem cutthroat and fem professional have sole lackluster voice acting
final stag
is a knife build for vet really good?
It's alright if built correctly
umbral scaffold
so far i've built my main build around support and the grenade regen and it's carried me through every difficulty
final stag
Vet has access to high crit and finesse talent
dawn garnet
i hope they let you change chars at some point i really regret making male judge zealot and female fem cadian vet
final stag
Along with placing brittleness on crits and sequent attacks
dawn garnet
should have been the other way round
umbral scaffold
Along with placing brittleness on crits and sequent attacks
to this day brittlness confuses the hell out of me
final stag
i hope they let you change chars at some point i really regret making male judge...
I just delete and make new ones
dawn garnet
thats way too much grind wasted
final stag
to this day brittlness confuses the hell out of me
Brittleness is armor piercing for everyone
Rending is armor piercing just for you
tame lodge
Fem pro is aight
umbral scaffold
Brittleness is armor piercing for everyone
Rending is armor piercing just for y...
thanks
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Nightmare team composition
Gun build ogryn who can’t melee
Cadian cutthroat veteran with no survivalist aura, using Boltgun (to shoot hordes) and knife
Stealth knife zealot who speedruns 80m ahead of you, ignoring everything
Smite psyker who exclusively uses smite on every enemy regardless of situation and folds in under 2s in melee
final stag
Nightmare team composition
Gun build ogryn who can’t melee
Cadian cutthroat vet...
Homie just outted cutthroat like that fndnnd
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Homie just outted cutthroat like that fndnnd
It’s very funny that cutthroat players are consistently the worst that I come across
“Cadia stands!” Yea bro why’re you running +3 wounds in damnation on veteran then
final stag
Hey I think I'm pretty good fjndnd
dawn garnet
loose cannon is so chill theres a reason everyone runs him
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More of a coincidence tbh
final stag
More of a coincidence tbh
Wh lmaoooooo fjndbd
I'm just that one in a billion cadian huh
lament glade
anyone know when the krieg stuff is coming back
final stag
anyone know when the krieg stuff is coming back
Unlikely fjndnd
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Wh lmaoooooo fjndbd
No I mean, more of a coincidence that most cutthroats I see play pretty bad
somber axle
Someone mentioned no hot fix in driptide and said that means tomorrow is likely repeat cosmetics coming into rotation
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There’re good ones here and there
final stag
No I mean, more of a coincidence that most cutthroats I see play pretty bad
Oh dnndnd I notice mainly professionals are not that great
somber axle
But likely of Krieg being the return may be low with how many cosmetics there are that could be coming in
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Professional is highly mixed
final stag
They fold the most
Loose cannon however are usually great
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Some are really good, some are really bad
dawn garnet
Someone mentioned no hot fix in driptide and said that means tomorrow is likely ...
no door fix yet 😭
final stag
Man I want a double boss fight in a mixed horde again
I've only had them twice and they were the most fun I've had in a match fjndn
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Professional with scion helm is usually pretty good tho
wanton dawn
Man I want a double boss fight in a mixed horde again
I've only had them twice a...
Then the 3rd one arrive
final stag
I'm just an edgy cadian with Hella tattoos who looks oddly chicano-arabic mix
final stag
Then the 3rd one arrive <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
GRAAAAAAAAH
LET ME DIE IN A BLAZE OF FUCKING GLORY
wanton dawn
It happens regularly in monstro maelstrom
stiff cipher
Getting eaten by a beast of nurgle gotta suck
stiff cipher
LET ME DIE IN A BLAZE OF FUCKING GLORY
Based guardsman
final stag
There's a reason the guard held
frank monolith
to see how it feels with charge crit cd or invis crit cd build <:hehe1:642380415...
can kinda work, only downside is that it feel terrible if i dont have the 100% crit from invis since for the life of it it cannon generate crits on its own
though that being said its didnt have the crit per every swing
final stag
Light spam
It's lights do more damage than it's push attack
Push attack has more cleave for control
stiff cipher
Can I get y’all’s opinion on a auto gun
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can kinda work, only downside is that it feel terrible if i dont have the 100% c...
Pls just don’t play stealth with Rashad
frank monolith
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Be a based fury martyrdom Rashad enjoyer
Is +65% melee dmg and +50% melee atk speed not good enough
frank monolith
i dont like martyrdom
final stag
I play stealth vet with Rashad nfndn
frank monolith
makes me carry wounds instead of stamina bars
wanton dawn
Can I get y’all’s opinion on a auto gun
Post and you shall receive a 
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U can run 2 wound + 1 stam tbh
final stag
I'm simply not based enough 😔
stiff cipher
Post and you shall receive a <:clown_hadron:1067589799361400862>
Tis why I asked
spare marten
is +2 stamina worth using? seems so small
stiff cipher
Thank you for the answer
final stag
Stam and toughness are top priorities for me
spare marten
shoudl you run that on all curios?
wanton dawn
May the holy 🧱 be with ya
final stag
No
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+3 stam is worth
stiff cipher
May the holy 🧱 be with ya
It’s always smashing me skull in
wanton dawn
Honestly though, you can post whatevet
Sometimes we post pokemon
At least its in topic
final stag
One Stam is good enough
I like having 2 toughness curios along with iron will. Makes you hard to kill
One +3 Stam jfjdn
stiff cipher
Yeah I’m not sure which stats would be good for a auto gun
wanton dawn
Stopping power, damage, stability, reload speed, mobility in about that order
tall torrent
Yeah I’m not sure which stats would be good for a auto gun
I got u
frank monolith
Be a based fury martyrdom Rashad enjoyer
not to bad with charge
tame lodge
makes me carry wounds instead of stamina bars
Right side has stamina nodes
Then you have a Martyr focused on dodging
stiff cipher
final stag
It's good but the blessing is very mid fjjdjd
stiff cipher
This one isn’t my main but im holding onto it so I can re bless it later
final stag
Bet bet
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not to bad with charge <a:Lilith_Poggers:1111710941764145243>
The issue with crit build with Rashad is that
Rashad generally wants +dmg to get its major breakpoints
You simply won’t have that many points left after going martyrdom/momentum to build full crit CDR set-up
stiff cipher
That and get rid of sprint efficiency
final stag
God I hate the salvo blessings
stiff cipher
God I hate the salvo blessings
I only ever found it useful if slightly so on the recon lazguns
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I only ever found it useful if slightly so on the recon lazguns
They’re not good for recon lasguns either
final stag
They're so dookie
stiff cipher
They’re not good for recon lasguns either
slight usefulness
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The only gun where sustained fire (3rd & 4th shot in salvo has +20% ranged dmg) is maybe good is Agripinaa mk1
frank monolith
The issue with crit build with Rashad is that
Rashad generally wants +dmg to get...
this is like my knife build on my zealot and the test with the blue rashad was done with these perks, although missing the dmg reduction on dodge, its pretty tanky once bleed is applied 👀
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this is like my knife build on my zealot and the test with the blue rashad was d...
Check if ur Rashad can hit bruiser 1HS breakpoints
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No
final stag
Flak armored cannon fodder with melee weapons
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Horde enemies with armor
final stag
They're mixed with hordes but they have clubs.
frank monolith
can one hit if i crit
final stag
They'll stop your silly little brutal momentum cleave hfjdn
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Because if u don’t 1 hit them, then BM doesn’t get activated and your horde clear goes from god tier to bottom tier
frank monolith
wouldnt flak dmg solve the issue with it
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There’re 2 bruiser types
Scab bruiser wears flak body armor with unarmored head, has 625hp
Dreg bruiser wears flak helmet with unarmored body, has 687.5hp
You want to 1 hit both without crits
frank monolith
i see 
final stag
Wouldn't martyrdom solve the breakpoints bcndnd
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That’s why the way to go is martyrdom
final stag
I haven't used martyrdom Rashad only WS melee infil vet
But I feel like marty would dominate with Rashad
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Lemme show u a clip
final stag
Fucking bet
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I don’t have mods to stack martyrdom in meat grinder
But this is about how fast you can swing Rashad with a martyrdom build
(Almost all the time)
Every swing is 4 kills
final stag
And with extra damage from the stacks too make you into an infinite blender
final stag
Might have to try that sometime
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With 5 stack martyrdom (and both modifiers), full 5 stacks of sustained fire, and activating fury, you can have:
+65% melee dmg
+50% melee atk speed
+20% TDR
If u go top right for blood redemption and second wind for toughness gain
Every swing killing 4 gives u 30% toughness
Every valid dodge gives u 15% toughness
frank monolith
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985983134275366943/1212616991022653501/Wa...
I see, well since my brain refuses to do wounds for curious i wont be using rashad anytime soon ima go back to the knife like a pleb, on the other hand my vet will get a rashad in the future if it goes ok without zealot martyrdom
final stag
I only can get like 3 kills per swing with Rashad on vet but I am also releveling homie I'm at level 25 with a 475 power Rashad so not even at its full potential and I was outperforming the zealot
frank monolith
I only can get like 3 kills per swing with Rashad on vet but I am also relevelin...
probably missing the extra % in finess pen first target or dmg and some perks. But anyways thanks for the help you two 
potent iris
rashad is busted af so long as you have Brutal momentum and headtaker or similar
you don't need martyrdom on it at all
tall torrent
Martyrdom makes rolling for headtaker less of a necessity
potent iris
martyrdom is just win more
final stag
I'm also assuming Rashad would be ASS on psyker
tall torrent
“Actually Surprisingly Strong”
Yes
final stag
Really?
tall torrent
Albeit an axe-toting space magician is a bit goofy in terms of looks
final stag
Huh neat
tall torrent
Really?
It’s not as good as veteran or zealot
Because u can’t get bruiser 1HS without funny dmg stack shenanigans (relying on DD for crucial BM 1 hit breakpoint is a horrible idea)
But it still kills poxwalkers and groaners remarkably well
final stag
Veteran and zealot just have really dedicated melee builds while psyker requires buffs and crits
Still pretty Funny for a psyker to be wielding and axe like a maniac
tall torrent
I haven’t tried momentum with Rashad yet cuz I didn’t roll headtaker on my axe
Got thrust instead
final stag
I think I got my Rashad from an emperors gift and it had BM and I was like
Eh ill test it.
Juggling gun with axe while disappearing and reappearing
I'm just a maniac with a gun at that point.
frank monolith
also guys if you see a pysker named Rossel can you please take a screen shot of his build since i want to copy it and he is always top dmg in the scoreboard everytime i see him/queue with him even with my plasma vet or knife zealot
tall torrent
also guys if you see a pysker named Rossel can you please take a screen shot of ...
Prob blaze trauma
With soulblaze build
dawn garnet
also guys if you see a pysker named Rossel can you please take a screen shot of ...
add and dm him
tall torrent
Blaze trauma is just a “fuck everything except bosses” build
final stag
Useless against a boss but fuck mixed hordes
thorn lark
You want to 1 hit both without crits
the pain T_T
final stag
I have a knife psyker with agri as a meme build
winter grove
But reason I play veteran a lot rn because of penance for 100 missions completed
tall torrent
the pain T_T
This is why I run martyrdom Rashad (hadron bricked my axe)
final stag
Also brainburst as a blitz (it's such a meme)
tall torrent
I should try blaze trauma
That’s also like one of the hardest weapons to roll for in this game
final stag
BB with knife, scriers gaze and agri
winter grove
Damn
tall torrent
Also brainburst as a blitz (it's such a meme)
Brain burst is a decent complement to ur build’s weakness
final stag
Agri stub fhndnd
tall torrent
It’s nice in vent purge sniper gauntlet
final stag
Oh yeah it's nice to see something I'll have trouble with BB it
And also randomly kill a mauler when wildly swinging fjenjd
tall torrent
Don’t take kinetic flayer
final stag
It's an alright build but you have like NO toughness regen
frank monolith
add and dm him
for some reason i cannot see him in my previous mission pannel everytime i queue with him these is pretty much one of the times i saw him and he joined late aswell
tall torrent
That 15s cd really kills the talent
thorn lark
This is why I run martyrdom Rashad (hadron bricked my axe)
i cannot oneshot both bruisers with that axe on my zealot with no stacks
final stag
That 15s cd really kills the talent
Ah okay
thorn lark
so, like that won't happen but ffs
tall torrent
i cannot oneshot both bruisers with that axe on my zealot with no stacks
With martyrdom 2-3 stacks u should be able to tho
I just use martyrdom as “better breakpoints nice”
final stag
I'll screenshot the build and show you later to see what your opinion on what I should fix
I kind of make builds off of gut feelings 9/10
thorn lark
I just use martyrdom as “better breakpoints nice”
this is also a way to do give a bit of love to taxes
and the claw like the crit martyrdom build 😄
tall torrent
this is also a way to do give a bit of love to taxes
Tac axe is still just awkward to me
winter grove
That’s also like one of the hardest weapons to roll for in this game
Which one is hardest?
And I wonder which one is easiest
tall torrent
Which one is hardest?
Zealot Rashad (without martyrdom)
terse idol
I'm an aesthetic first 💀
Get the weapon customization mod darn it
tall torrent
That needs like 4/4 perfect I think
final stag
Get the weapon customization mod darn it
IM ON CONSOLE NUMBSKULLFBHDNDBF
tall torrent
On top of pretty strict stat modifier rolls
terse idol
IM ON CONSOLE NUMBSKULLFBHDNDBF
Death
thorn lark
Tac axe is still just awkward to me
once you realize PA is considered a heavy attack and you basically just have to spam heavies, it goes better
terse idol
💀
final stag
If I still had PC I would but I don't fjndnd
terse idol
I'm sorry for your loss
frank monolith
If I still had PC I would but I don't fjndnd
dorimee
final stag
I also see why people dislike Xbox players
It's low-key frustrating seeing people of my fellow console play worse than the bots
tall torrent
once you realize PA is considered a heavy attack and you basically just have to ...
It’s alright but the 3 base cleave still struggles against bruisers and I’m biased but I consider bruiser clear way more important than poxwalkers & groaners
frank monolith
I also see why people dislike Xbox players
It's low-key frustrating seeing peop...
do you have like cross play dissabled since i swear on console players can opt out of that
tall torrent
Martyrdom & sustained assault giving +65% dmg just to give it enough dmg to BM hit 4
final stag
Nah I have cross play enabled
tall torrent
Meanwhile u can juice a combat axe to do it in like 2 stacks of martyrdom
With better hit angles
winter grove
Zealot Rashad (without martyrdom)
And which one is easiest by your opinion?
tall torrent
And which one is easiest by your opinion?
Infantry autogun (any)
umbral scaffold
let me guess: controller user
final stag
let me guess: controller user<:watching:1157014529675366411>
Yes 
umbral scaffold
Yes <:chadgryn:1161142998214656090>
with the amaount of aim assist on that thing is suitable only if you are playing on controller
final stag
Capped at 30fps, playing on the cloud on a 10 year old console using a controller with stick drift, aim assist off, sens high, plays hi int-shock troop.
And a 10 dollar headset
I'm nerfed heavily
tall torrent
Is series S still 30fps cap
final stag
And I still perform better than some PC players
umbral scaffold
I'm nerfed heavily
than u are excused for using revolver
frank monolith
this guy is playing auric auric damnation damnation
final stag
If I had a PC I would be disgusting jfnsndn
I played when the beta was released.
I turned off aim assist solely because enemies would mess up my aim. And I upped sensitivity because I was turning at a snails pace.
I play the game so much I broke one of my controllers bumpers and triggers and my new one has stick drift on both sticks 💀
winter grove
This helmet is the reason why I am farming missions as vet rn
final stag
It has a pack of smokes on the side which makes me giggle
My cutthroat is a chainsmoker
winter grove
God why is mission grinding so necessary
Also tf does MG stand for in Infantry Lasgun MG Ia?
final stag
No idea
dawn garnet
God why is mission grinding so necessary
to make sure no new players pick up the game
junior needle
God why is mission grinding so necessary
“Player retention”
winter grove
Should I try speedrunning missions with knife and my stealth vet build
thorn lark
It’s alright but the 3 base cleave still struggles against bruisers and I’m bias...
you need some kind of stack to hit the bp on the scab bruiser yeah
muted knot
Knife speed runners aren't people
final stag
Why would they rbndnd
winter grove
If I plan to knife speedrun I'll do it there
No one plays it and bots don't slow me down
Win-win
winter grove
I always wondered why people hate it
wanton dawn
Because it is shit
winter grove
Do tell me more
wanton dawn
1/50% cd increase 2/area decrease 3/it cost a talent point 4/it kills you if used in a fire
5/base shout is enough to safely rez in 95% situation
tall torrent
Only case where base VoC can’t safe res is if you immediately get overtoughness broken by sniper shot/burster explosion/plasma/overhead
final stag
Yeah it's a bad spend on a talent point
wanton dawn
If it did not cost a talent point I might consider it
final stag
It was the same for vermintide 2 mercenary shout
You had much better options over rez the team
wanton dawn
At the end of the day, it is a talent point that you spend to make your ult worse on average
somber axle
Take Grenade regen instead of shout rez
Underhand a Grenade as you approach a downed team mate then begin rez
Blast will stagger everything and give you the time to complete the revive
tall torrent
does run&gun blessing reduce hipfire spread?
somber axle
Better utility because shout rez is useful maybe once in a crisis run and saves you like a few seconds vs having Grenade regen lets you use grenades more often for clearing threats and saving team mates more consistently
errant carbon
Plus spamming shout with the greater frequency and wider radius helps your teammates not go down in the first place.
odd sparrow
teammates dont go down if they have overtoughness 50% of the time 
umbral scaffold
catachan blade mark? (cleave hordes for my focus target plasma build)
midnight totem
krak grenades stick to the to the tub of pathogen fluid at the end of disruption in the carnival
very funny
lament glade
what does the silver perks mean like why does some guns have silvery coloured blessing
like i thought thyere meant to be grey
hollow ibex
catachan blade mark? (cleave hordes for my focus target plasma build)
Mk6 uses heavies in horde clear if you want to cleave
Not very impressive tho
tame lodge
does run&gun blessing reduce hipfire spread?
that's what I noticed
Because I played with a kickback with r&g
odd sparrow
what does the silver perks mean like why does some guns have silvery coloured bl...
the grey ones are blessings you dont have, aka earned at hadron by giving away a weapon with said blessing. "silver" ones are blessings you do own
lean bloom
Which would be some good stats if I wanna create an energy sword Vl?
muted knot
Ah
muted knot
You want damage finesse and uhhh
Lemme pull up mine real quick
I think it's cleave damage ?
Mobility is shit on the ps6 anyways
But you shouldn't dump it completely
winter grove
catachan blade mark? (cleave hordes for my focus target plasma build)
Mk6 for hordes
Mk3 for single target
lean bloom
it is worth to improve this one?
winter grove
it is worth to improve this one?
Finesse too low
umbral scaffold
it is worth to improve this one?
mk iii, just discoverd now....it does exaclty what i was looking for on my non try-hard plasma build
winter grove
How do you use two most meta weapons available on vet and call it non-meta
muted knot
He's got a point
agile forge
How do you use two most meta weapons available on vet and call it non-meta
By going executioner stance with them
umbral scaffold
How do you use two most meta weapons available on vet and call it non-meta
i said non try-hard, not non-meta
try hard is sweaty/meta gameplay which different from chill/meta gameplay
umbral scaffold
What's the difference
a true try hard will call you shitter if you use chill easy to use weapons, try hards want the meta but also the meta who require to sweat to be used at 100%
tall torrent
2 more weapon types to go
umbral scaffold
@winter grove want an example from another game?
winter grove
We're talking about darktide
Give me an example from darktide
How is a try hard any different from casual player if they both run same setup
umbral scaffold
Give me an example from darktide
columnus/knife is try hard, power sword/plasma gun is chill meta
winter grove
columnus/knife is try hard, power sword/plasma gun is chill meta
Knife can be outclassed by rashad and powersword
umbral scaffold
Knife can be outclassed by rashad and powersword
if you don't sweat
winter grove
Amd comparing op trio weapons between each other is futile
lean bloom
its worth to improve this one?
tall torrent
its worth to improve this one?
Not really
Generally you want 360+ modifier rating with high numbers on important stats
winter grove
Generally you want 360+ modifier rating with high numbers on important stats
So what if I get like 330 rating but the low priority stat is dumped
umbral scaffold
Line’s quite blurry
exactly that's why i was giving an example from another game
winter grove
Like my agri shotgun with 21% stability
lean bloom
Generally you want 360+ modifier rating with high numbers on important stats
TyI didnt know that
tall torrent
Like my agri shotgun with ***21%*** stability
That’s usable, depends on how hard the dump stat can be dumped
Most dump stats you’re still looking for 51%+
winter grove
Most dump stats you’re still looking for 51%+
Let's say stability
tall torrent
On a lot of guns stability matters
winter grove
Does it matter on MG Ia?
tall torrent
It affects your recoil
winter grove
Maybe I should get a better one
winter grove
And before u say it has no recoil
I'd never say that
MG lasguns recoil is noticeable as fuck
tall torrent
Although stability is more of a “feel nice” thing for some guns
winter grove
So 36% stability is bad
tall torrent
On a shotgun u can dump
tall torrent
But against 370+ rating looks nicer
winter grove
On a shotgun u can dump
Oh yeah my shotty is almost perfect
I just need no respite
My most weapons not being optimal comes from the fact that I don't have every blessing
So I can't magically swap a shitty one with a good one
tall torrent
I’ve spent at least a few million dockets just collecting blessings
I only have 4 more melee blessings yet to be collected on veteran
winter grove
I’ve spent at least a few million dockets just collecting blessings
Did you upgrade weapons to blue or yellow for blessings?
tall torrent
Did you upgrade weapons to blue or yellow for blessings?
I literally buy t1 blessings off brunt’s requisition
What do u think
tall torrent
I just collect it for fun
It’s kind of “progression” for me
Completionist stuff tbh
winter grove
I thought it's buy shit from brunt in bulk to upgrade in hardon for blessings
dawn garnet
see that would be logical and not rng based
tall torrent
U could do that if you have a lot of resources to spare
dawn garnet
we cant have shit in atoma
tall torrent
But I don’t like gambling dockets away
dawn garnet
get blessing from hadron
surrender it
get an upgraded version
that would be a logical progression system if you get a blessing that you want then hop it on trash weapons from t1 to t4
but again we cant have shit
tall torrent
9/9 in every tier
dawn garnet
nice
daring sundial
do you just have to use a power sword as veteran
analog mural
no
winter grove
Headtaker helps the oneshots right?
daring sundial
if you're using a lasgun i mean
winter grove
do you just have to use a power sword as veteran
No
winter grove
if you're using a lasgun i mean
No
daring sundial
like theres no other counter for a crusher
winter grove
Knife
dawn garnet
<:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163> 9/9 in every tier
i still need actual melee weapons for zealot and vet and curios for vet and ogryn before i can do that
daring sundial
why would a knife work against carapace when a chainsword doesnt
thats just like 500 knives on a sword
winter grove
Chainsword does
dawn garnet
a chainsaw works
daring sundial
no it doesnt
winter grove
Yes it does?
dawn garnet
alt+heavy
tall torrent
do you just have to use a power sword as veteran
No
tall torrent
No need to insult lol
daring sundial
why doesnt my chainsword work against them
winter grove
Is it mark 13?
tall torrent
u can do this
winter grove
My condolences
daring sundial
is that just the shit one or something
tall torrent
Mk13g chainsword not that great
daring sundial
great
tall torrent
It’s a horde clear exclusive weapon
daring sundial
i love developers that put bad weapons into games
dawn garnet
one revved push attacks even with a mk13 gets them to half health
tall torrent
But it’s not an all rounder
agile forge
I have heard mostly good things about it tbh
If you want a bad weapon go play with any of the tac axe family
tall torrent
u can also do this
daring sundial
its dogshit
agile forge
Or a recon II
daring sundial
just tested it and the damage for the special is back-loaded
thats why it hasnt been doing shit
agile forge
just tested it and the damage for the special is back-loaded
Yep, all chain weapons are like this
analog mural
you didnt know that?
winter grove
You can use quite almost anything with lasguns
daring sundial
you cant stay in range long enough for it to do its damage
analog mural
that is every chain weapon
agile forge
You can though
winter grove
You can use quite almost anything with lasguns
You could even use dclaw to parry crushers
(don't do that)
agile forge
It's a risk but you can do it
tall torrent
You can use quite almost anything with lasguns
I would only suggest power sword / folding shovel with infantry lasguns personally
winter grove
Been using a mk6 blade with infantry lasgun
But I could save some trouble and use the shovel
agile forge
I can see combat axe working too
winter grove
Rashad works with everything if built correctly
tall torrent
I can see combat axe working too
Higher point cost in talent tree
tall torrent
If you have 4/4 perfect, no
But if you’re 4/4 correct
Then you don’t have +carapace perk to 3 tap crushers
And since they changed stagger vs ogryn enemies
daring sundial
mark 4 is slightly better
tall torrent
4 overhead to kill crusher isn’t nearly as good
As the other carapace killing options
agile forge
mark 4 is slightly better
Tbh I only use chainswords if I have another anti crusher
Like plasma or krak
white minnow
chord anti-cara is really its only weakness
winter grove
Chainaxes work right?
daring sundial
never had this problem at all when i was playing psyker
tall torrent
Chainaxes work right?
U trade horde clear and dodge for that
daring sundial
two specials with the force sword and they'd be dead
agile forge
Psyker has different problems
winter grove
U trade horde clear and dodge for that
I see
tall torrent
never had this problem at all when i was playing psyker
Well psyker has very specialized single target anti-carapace melee weapons lol
daring sundial
psyker has less problems than veteran
white minnow
yeah force sword specials have better carapace ADMs
agile forge
two specials with the force sword and they'd be dead
Well try a power sword mark 6
winter grove
Tell me, should I replace mk6 knife with my almost perfect mk7 shovel?
tall torrent
Deimos may as well be named “crusher demolisher 3000”
agile forge
Or try cleaving with one of those anti-crusher psyker weapons
white minnow
it could never 2/3-shot crushers totally
tall torrent
Tell me, should I replace mk6 knife with my almost perfect mk7 shovel?
What’s ur mk7 shovel looking like
dawn garnet
yeah vet is really bad vet needs buffs
agile forge
it could never 2/3-shot crushers totally
Power Sword 6 push attack L4 combo
winter grove
What’s ur mk7 shovel looking like
Don't got screenshot but I remember it
white minnow
if you're going to make a class comparison, at least don't use the chainsword, a weapon shared between the three human classes, as the example
and then bring up the force swords and conveniently ignore the power swords
truly makes you think about whether the statement is in good faith or not
winter grove
Fuck
tall torrent
It’s very funny that every class’s top meta weapons are all so hard to roll I kinda don’t want to recommend using them
Except zealot
Zealot crusher u can get away with a lot of things
winter grove
If I get uncanny or thrust it's salvageable
dawn garnet
it doesnt exist
tall torrent
winter grove
And those were my first two IH
dawn garnet
i need a cigarette
tall torrent
And those were my first two IH
What region are u in btw
winter grove
What region are u in btw
APAC
dawn garnet
this is where i would put my thrust 4 if i had one
tall torrent
Ah ok
winter grove
Wait does that affect hadron?
dawn garnet
and these are my shovel blessings
tall torrent
Now the question is do I do shotguns or autopistol next
dawn garnet
i vote shotgun
winter grove
Shotguns
winter grove
Is autopistol really anything except pocket toughness replenishment?
dawn garnet
when in doubt flak maniac
tall torrent
Is autopistol really anything except pocket toughness replenishment?
I’m gonna tell u smth and you’re gonna think fatshark is crazy
The autopistol has worse sprint-to-fire speed than MG4
tall torrent
I wish I was joking
MG4 has instant sprint to fire
Braced autoguns and Autopistol don’t
winter grove
It's meta after all
winter grove
MG4 has instant sprint to fire
Speaking of MG4.
Since it has newr infinite ammo, can I make a build that is purely pew pew from lasgun?
Like horde clear with mg4 only
tall torrent
Yes
It just does low dmg
tall torrent
Like horde clear with mg4 only
I still wouldn’t recommend doing that
Primarily because your horde clear isn’t gonna be nearly as good as if you brought a solid melee
winter grove
I'll grab a shovel
tall torrent
And as a veteran you should bring a solid horde clear melee most of the time
winter grove
Mk7
tall torrent
MG4 has only 1.5 cleave
So u hit 2 groaners/poxwalkers
The moment bruisers come in you no longer have cleave
tiny summit
I’m gonna tell u smth and you’re gonna think fatshark is crazy
The autopistol h...
Autopistol slows you more walking than the autoguns magdumping
plush dragon
knife revolver
final stag
Huh never seen someone pass up 10% attack speed
plush dragon
dont need it when me kill
final stag
It's just nice to have faster swings, the swings in this game take 10-15 business days
plush dragon
knife literally is faster attack speed, so much so i hold off their swings, like how the swoard does with length plus attack speed. im used to the barebones of it all so let it rip
midnight totem
No serrated blade for knife makes me sad
plush dragon
hey one free bullet for fast swapping for no reason hits hard
junior needle
If you're manually clicking attack I can see why you might hold off on sanic knife
Conveniently mods/scripts can fix that
rose ingot
Encountered an annoying issue
I completed the Deadeye penance, but the pants weren’t granted. They’re still locked.
It shows up in recently completed though. Any suggestions?
winter grove
Did you try turning darktide on and off again
final stag
Lmao
muted knot
Ol' reliable
dim edge
Hey all, the Precision Strike talent that gives 30% weak spot dmg - is that for melee too, or just ranged?
Considering it's on the ranged side. It seems really nice for a melee combat blade build
tall torrent
Hey all, the Precision Strike talent that gives 30% weak spot dmg - is that for ...
It works for both melee & ranged attacks, however weakspot (& crit) dmg calculation is a bit weird in this game (and not in the player’s favour)
Let’s say you have a weapon that does 50 dmg on body hit, 100 dmg on weakspot hit
+30% weakspot dmg would result in 50 + (100-50)x30% = 115 dmg, essentially 15% more dmg from weakspot hits
The actual dmg increase is ALWAYS lower than what the stated number suggests
+weakspot (& crit) dmg only applies to the bonus portion of dmg u gain from landing weakspot (& crit) hits compared to normal body hit dmg
wise fossil
I just got On Overwatch... on the sniper & poxburster Maelstrom
stuck kite
Hey Vets, I've been cooking with this build for a little while now. Finally written up a guide on how it works, strengths, weaknesses and justifications on skipping certain things in the tree.
Still a first version (also first time I've ever written a guide before for a game), so happy to get feedback if you have any!
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9b9b407b-6b51-4fad-a1e5-aa6808334fc2/the-high-crit-healer-of-atoma
tall torrent
Hey Vets, I've been cooking with this build for a little while now. Finally writ...
Born leader is best used with more reliable +toughness blessings, reassuringly accurate isn’t the most reliable compared to stuff like gloryhunter or inspiring barrage
Also please don’t take inspiring barrage over iron will or demo team
I don’t think you really need exhilarating takedown or charismatic, could just go confirmed kill and save some points
Opening salvo is a hilariously underpowered talent right now
DC7 benefits from Skullcrusher more than thunderstrike since it has multiple strikedowns to maximize single target dmg (for a DC sword that is)
stuck kite
Thanks! I was testing Opening Salvo in the Psyk and it seemed good, as in I was able to pop off 9 shots before the effect wore off; but ultimately without it my ammo economy is still even amazing. Also I guess taking it forces you to keep your eye on the ammo count/buff icon so it's a distraction
tall torrent
Competitive urge is ok, but for a Laspistol + DC sword loadout I’d personally go with rending strikes due to DC’s weakness to flak armor, and Laspistol’s weakness to maniac
tall torrent
Thanks! I was testing Opening Salvo in the Psyk and it seemed good, as in I was ...
It’s more that it’s not effective enough for a 1 talent point spend generally speaking
Redirect fire (middle keystone modifier) just gives u +7.5% dmg with really good uptime and that’s much higher value than opening salvo
stuck kite
Competitive urge is ok, but for a Laspistol + DC sword loadout I’d personally go...
Awesome RE: this one, because I felt that the 2.5% -while did pop off on HI enough, was a bit meh
If I can get away from Salvo then that's actually really good
tall torrent
Awesome RE: this one, because I felt that the 2.5% -while did pop off on HI enou...
It’s not a bad talent, it’s more that you can’t predict when it’ll go off
Usually comp urge is taken as a luxury pick when you’ve finalized your build and have spare points
Take iron will instead of inspiring presence
Inspiring presence is only coherency toughness regen, which gets very easily disabled in melee combat
I’d also recommend superiority complex over shock troop since +15% elite dmg usually gets you a few better breakpoints
And las-weapons generally have good enough ammo economy
Also, between the eyes is completely redundant on laspistol
Because laspistol naturally has suppression immunity
Helbore, plasma, Laspistol and shotgun all have built-in suppression immunity
You can tank heavy gunner fire and never lose accuracy
Go dum dum instead for better dps
Mk10 Laspistol also specifically wants flak + unarmored for best possible 1 tap headshot breakpoints
stuck kite
These are the only Blessings I can get on the Kantrael Heavy LP: https://imgur.com/RuZTns4 No Born Leader (unfortunately I wanted to make this build centric around the X Heavy, but I'll take on those notes and do some more testing). Thanks again honestly for all the feedback thus far
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These are the only Blessings I can get on the Kantrael Heavy LP: https://imgur.c...
Generally speaking, Mk10 Laspistol you want:
Unarmored + Flak
Dum Dum + Ghost
stuck kite
The reason I went Between the Eyes is bc I'm not picking up the Talent for Supression (masochist I know), but I can see why it's useful to swap that out. Better to dodge and kill first anyways
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Dum dum is just a flat out +30% close ranged dmg (stays at +30% up to 8m, then linear falloff towards 0% at 30m), which starts stacking from the 2nd shot in continuous fire, it’s very strong
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The reason I went Between the Eyes is bc I'm not picking up the Talent for Supre...
Yea laspistols have built-in suppression immunity so kind of a wasted slot there
stuck kite
Very good point
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They never mention this even lol
I’d also say that this build very noticeably lacks anti-carapace power
Something to consider
And it’s not the best at removing specialists because laspistol has low maniac dmg
Mk10 takes like 2~3 headshots against flamers iirc
2 if crit
stuck kite
So for Carapace enemies, I originally DID have Krak nades on 1m cooldown resupply, but yeah it's not efficient for carapace atm
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I’d prob experiment with other melee weapons for this build
DC swords are good at defense but they don’t have great dmg on offense, and just abysmally low flak dmg
You lose almost 70% dmg in cleave when you hit flak armor
And you have like no tools to quickly remove crushers or bulwarks in this build
DC swords just don’t kill bulwarks all that fast even with frag’s stagger
If you want to stick to DC sword, you’re kind of hard locked into a few options for carapace
Helbore 3, plasma, boltgun, revolver
Krak (not recommended)
Relying entirely on teammates (also not recommended)
stuck kite
Sorry not ignoring you btw, just updating my draft version of this with all your feedback (duped it so I can use it as a staging) and then testing in the Psyk.
I've got a Grey of each melee weapon so I can test them all out. I definitely centralised this around the parrying functionality and Laspistol - but if I see some improvements in other fields RE: melee I might make some alt builds for this. Thank you really, it's fun getting to try new things and finding out some stuff just flat out doesn't work as advertised lol
rigid pilot
You can use loadout monitor mod to test much more efficiently
Rather than relying on RNG and your own armory
stuck kite
You can use loadout monitor mod to test much more efficiently
I've yet to install any mods, probably worth doing; beter stat observation too
rigid pilot
Debuff indicator is a must
Mainly it shows how fast bleed stacks drop, so if you are using shredder nade you must throw 2 back to back to get more bleed stacks, any delay and your damage drops alot
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Sorry not ignoring you btw, just updating my draft version of this with all your...
No worries, you can check the pinned messages here in this channel, I have a detailed talent breakdown with their use cases explained
Working on a more comprehensive veteran guide rn with all the weapons & some hidden mechanics explained
stuck kite
No worries, you can check the pinned messages here in this channel, I have a det...
Aw hell yeah, that's much appreciated
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@stuck kite this one
rose ingot
Best perks for lasgun 1a?
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Best perks for lasgun 1a?
Flak + maniac
umbral scaffold
can i post the link to my current build here? i like it a lot and wanna share it to see if it can be rounded out more
potent iris
you can link builds yeah
umbral scaffold
midnight totem
why are low int teammates mentally disabled
I just watched a gun ogryn
get surrounded by 30 poxwalkers
while firing his heavy stubber over their heads, and over the head of a fucking daemonhost
stuck kite
Steam sales, that'll be why
stuck kite
I've led a few lambs into Demonhosts by accidently, I'm habitually someone who points enemies out. They go to attack 'em
midnight totem
they died on the next horde and I got trapped through bruisers
lost my not going down 8 penance streak
another fucking 8 hours wasted
final stag
Hrhe
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https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9b9d53c4-8899-4fa8-9194-5a1e416d338c/cc...
Please don’t use terrifying barrage (ever)
umbral scaffold
Please don’t use terrifying barrage (ever)
whhhy
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whhhy
Suppression only works for:
Scab & Dreg Gunner
Reaper
Scab & Dreg Stalker
Scab Shooter
Groaner
You can’t suppress other enemies
umbral scaffold
Suppression only works for:
Scab & Dreg Gunner
Reaper
Scab & Dreg Stalker
Scab S...
ohhhh
thanks
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If suppression could force shotgunners to go into melee then terrifying barrage would be less of a meme pick
But braced autoguns already have a good amount of suppression
umbral scaffold
thanks
stuck kite
lost my not going down 8 penance streak
What difficulty does your Penance require? If it can be solo'd that might be better (bots don't count as players)
midnight totem
I'm not doing it on anything less then damnation
15 full games without going down
stuck kite
I mean it's just a sunk cost fallacy thing at that point - if you spent 8 hours, surely it's going to be more profitable for your time to speedrun them on the easiest available difficulty
umbral scaffold
But braced autoguns already have a good amount of suppression
do you think i should change the melee or gun to make the build better in any way? i like dealing with cc and horde clearing
trim steppe
The rolls:
trim steppe
The rolls:
The consecrations
winter grove
do you think i should change the melee or gun to make the build better in any wa...
Ok hear me out
Don't use res voice of command
Invirogated is also kinda meh at best
final stag
Wild thoughts but okay
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do you think i should change the melee or gun to make the build better in any wa...
not having survivalist is already a pretty big problem so that's a more fundamental issue
umbral scaffold
Don't use res voice of command
what should i use instead
umbral scaffold
not having survivalist is already a pretty big problem so that's a more fundamen...
when i started off with the build my brain went “team do more damage” never thought about survivalist
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Hammer of the Emperor veteran guide
You can access the newest version via this MS Word link (will track changes):
https://1drv.ms/w/c/e2a0a519389b2f30/EciPxKdXTJlPiEj2LUHKr58BbN_LckMOC4bba3qnlO8THg
Currently in the process of being migrated over to steam guide.
Work in progress.
Updates to the word document will be slow if they even happen at all. My apolocheese.
<@&735928989146939404> pin this thx
also unpin my old message with Veteran Talent Breakdown (reply here) since the new one is a direct upgrade
wanton dawn
McCraime
Scottish or DJ ? Let the people decide 
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> McCraime
Scottish or DJ ? Let the people decide <:pogryn:961977701533614130>
thx again for ur help
woeful junco
**Hammer of the Emperor** veteran guide
You can access the newest version via t...
rename the doc to "Infantryman's Uplifting Primer" and post it again. then I'll pin it
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rename the doc to "Infantryman's Uplifting Primer" and post it again. then I'll ...
Next document version update sure 
woeful junco
fine
dreamy spade
Don't use res voice of command
Fr
It doesnt pick up hanging teammates
Or netted teammates
Or tied up teammates
You have to be very close to them and at that point there are some good perks for revival instead
The only situation where its better is when you have a monstrosity on you
late hatch
It can reach allies on ledges above you though
fast sundial
who keeps putting this on the revolvers i'm trying to make
final latch
who keeps putting this on the revolvers i'm trying to make
scary to see that perk
a name fitting
gleaming lynx
you don't use revolvers for horde clear? what's wrong with you
grand perch
why do so few vets use the improved field kit talent, emergency nade spam is so clutch...
and its only 1 point since you always grab nade regen anyway
trim hemlock
Because it’s a conditional effect - you have to have a medipack
Other skills are not nearly as constrained as that one is 
somber axle
it applies to any medipac used by the party afaik
grand perch
no, anyone has to have medi OR ammo pack
somber axle
if a zealot drops a medipac and a vet has it, it cleanses corruption
trim hemlock
I know, but it doesn’t matter
somber axle
if an ogryn drops an ammo pack everyone gets nades off it too
trim hemlock
A medipack is a medipack, you can have up to TWO per level
somber axle
always 2 medipacs and 2 ammo crates per level yeah? but you don't always find them
grand perch
i have it on all my vet builds, dearly miss it when im playing sth else
trim hemlock
always 2 medipacs and 2 ammo crates per level yeah? but you don't always find th...
Good point, that also is a point of concern
And sometimes you want to have an effect that will make a difference for you throughout the run, not 0-4 times in a run
somber axle
also depending on if people want grims or scrips they may ditch the medipacs or ammo crates but even still I'd say it's a worthwhile node for team support
grand perch
not even team support
somber axle
if you've got the point to spare after getting your main build
grand perch
your rando group begins to disintegrate, you drop that ammo kit and just start spamming nades. or some ogryn drops up to 5 nukes, or up to 15 on some maelstroms
trim hemlock
What also is not great about that talent is that… you don’t know if somebody else has it
woeful ibex