veteran-class

[midnight totem]

Unpowered Push stab downswing headshot on a dog

If my power sword had a maxed finesse modifier I probably wouldn't need it but eh

Or damage

[hollow ibex]

It’s just super niche and you fuck your team

If nobody brings surv

[midnight totem]

I'd rather have other classes have their own methods of regening or obtaining more ammo first

Otherwise you'd be pigeonholed into having a survivalist aura vet

[hollow ibex]

It’s dumb game design

[elder fiber]

I'd rather people learn ammo management

Instead of magdumping poxwalkers

[lyric dock]

If Gunlugger ogryns can hear you over their guns. They would be upset

[hollow ibex]

Lugger ogryns are the worst

[trim hemlock]

I play a lot of stubber on Ogryn

[elder fiber]

Idk I'll run glugger even with no vets and be fine, dudes just gotta bring out melee sometimes lol

[hollow ibex]

The issue is just the players

[lyric dock]

It is the closest we get the "No ammo" Modifier in missions

[faint beacon]

I never really had an issue with Lugger Ogryns even when they are actual Ammo Vacuums, probably cause running smokes unironically saves me ammo

[lyric dock]

I use the Ripper 5 on my Ogryn, but only use it range hits on Specials and elite

Or opening up Crushers like the walking tin cans they are

[faint beacon]

Krourk IV after learning it's horde clear combo been using that more, far far more than the Stubber on my Lugger Ogryn

[balmy flume]

I get yelled at for mag dumping into a horde with a Braced Auto…
Though the guy then proceeds to yell at me for being a suck player.
I responded by telling him “well yes if I didn’t suck I wouldn’t need the practice here now would I :p” (or something along those lines)

[faint beacon]

Look I don't complain if anyone mag dumps into a horde even though I can manage it with a shovel, if it's a Special Mixed Horde is extremely helpful

[balmy flume]

Autos are really good for mixed hordes, yes

Especially for that one asshat trapper hiding in them

[lyric dock]

Being trapped by a trapper hiding the horde is just BS

[faint beacon]

I just spam click head level with the headhunter cause those are my go too usually

[lyric dock]

Even more if they're behind some Ogryn enemies

[faint beacon]

I've been sidewind trapped by a trapper aiming for my teammate and it pulled me into a mainly Pox-Horde

[dawn garnet]

ikr? if i cant shoot through my teammates why can she?

[tame lodge]

Bulwark wall

[faint beacon]

The 7 Bulwarks covering the horde of Gunners behind them

That's when I start spamming smokes

[dawn garnet]

one time i lost half my team due to being sniped by gunners across the asassaination map

[lyric dock]

I wouldn't mind if the net had some pierce (Just enough to ignore 2 or 3 pox walkers or 1 Scab/Drag melee fodder), but if there is more the Trapper will move to a new target or wait for a "Clear" line to trap you

[dawn garnet]

neither saw them

hell i didnt i only got away because i was spamming slide sprint

[dawn garnet]

that would require more AI coding than "see player shoot player"

idk if itll happen anytime soon

[tame lodge]

They could at least give the dog/muties treatment

Sea splitter

[lyric dock]

I mean hell. Even if it was change the trapper needs to have line of sight of their target. So if they're blocked by Ogryn enemies they need to reposition to see you

[faint beacon]

Honestly I wouldn't mind the nets initial launch staggering or knocking down any light/Flak armored enemies, if it's an Ogryn it straight up should just vanish from existence if it hits a Bulwark

Though tbf 90% of my trapper deaths are them taking advantage of me being surrounded on all sides by a horde

[lyric dock]

That's my major cause of going down as Ogryn.

[faint beacon]

I hear the net spin up and I instinctively slide dodge

It's just you kinda can't when you have groaners and mixed hordes surrounding you

[lyric dock]

I'll always dodge the sound cue, but yeah when you're body blocked. You can only hope the trapper is aimming at someone else

Or if I have my Charge off cool down. Charge in the direction I'm facing

[faint beacon]

Again if it staggered like trash enemies it would give your team at least like a solid extra second to save you from an instant down

[lyric dock]

Yeah or taking a good chunk of damage

[faint beacon]

Unless you're a Human sized class with 2 wounds

And The director said fuck you

Poxwalker horde

Aka instant death

[lyric dock]

I survived unlucky traps as a human.....Though only to die to scratch damage a few moments later

[faint beacon]

Had a handful of instant death instances from unlucky traps into a pox horde

[lyric dock]

All it takes is 1 bad dog or trapper

[dawn garnet]

not all dogs go to heaven

[lyric dock]

I guess Mutie as well, but muties can sometimes save you by throwing you into a good spot

[faint beacon]

That or them barreling through a horde absolutely can make it easier to manage

I more so love them, then hate them

I only hate them when it's a Gunner horde or anything Flammable

[lyric dock]

Always funny to see death staring you down and a Mutie comes in to "Help"

[dawn garnet]

ive had a mutie throw me into a chrusher melee attack

[lyric dock]

Mutie: Here catch!
Crusher: BONK!

[faint beacon]

I witnessed that

God I still feel terrible for the Psyker on the receiving end of that

Literally was a series of unfortunate events

He gets grabbed, Crusher aiming overhead for me, thrown RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME

Instant death

[dawn garnet]

lucky i was a zealot at the time

[lyric dock]

It's Zealot. They survive this shit on a daily basis

[frank monolith]

https://tenor.com/view/monty-python-tis-but-a-scratch-gif-12051667

[dawn garnet]

"hey priest what do you do for fun?
I MORTIFY MY FLESH AND PRAY"

[midnight totem]

You guys know that ascension riser map? The one with the drop down and two hangar doors on the side that can be opened?

[dawn garnet]

the vault?

[midnight totem]

I once got smashed by a crusher on the side of one of those hanger doors

Door wasn't even open

Bastard was clipping through wall

Luckily I was a zealot at that time

Standing atop of the drop off where the enemies climbing up to than -blam- 1 hp

[dawn garnet]

i can beat that

[midnight totem]

Nice

[lyric dock]

I knew exactly how the story is gonna go just from the preview

[dawn garnet]

yup

fucking masozi get a better plane

[lyric dock]

Zealot: Phew...I'm safe inside this ship
Mutie: THINK AGAIN BITCH!

~~Why you always tip your muties when you order from Mutie Eats ™️ ~~

[faint beacon]

Still waiting for the day the Maulers Chainaxe can be used as a Melee

It's absolutely going to be For Zealot but I'd love to use it

[austere pine]

what do you make of a veteran using VoC without the yellow toughness talent?

[faint beacon]

People will skin you alive for not using it

But it's literally just, oh shit my toughness broke

Shouts

That or you're the 1 of 3 unironic shout revive Vets

[lyric dock]

The rare Inspire ace Vet.

[faint beacon]

Well look even after the buff

[frank basin]

Using VoC with only revive without yellow toughness what could go wrong.

[faint beacon]

It's rare to see smoke Vets

I am 1 of those 7 vets who use them

[frank basin]

I have two smoke loadout

[lyric dock]

I seen a total of 5 different vets have the Revive shout

And out of those 5. Only 1 made a big difference with it

[faint beacon]

It's like seeing a cryptid

With revive shout vets

Borderline don't exist

[frank basin]

Shout revive may save clutches

[faint beacon]

I've had more incidents of Shout Toughness Boost + Smokes saving near unwinnable clutches

Usually get killed cause the director says "Yeah spawn a boss as well"

Usually a Chaos Spawn so I can't just outrun it

[lyric dock]

Beat being eaten alive by a Nurgle

And being delivered to a Deamonhost

[faint beacon]

I pray for those in the sense of easy to avoid so I can easily get the team back up in situations like that

Still being reminded by one time I got thrown right into an annoyed DH by a Mutant and somehow block chained and dodged it as a Psyker for a solid minute and 30-something seconds

Team was occupied with a Crusher + Mixed Horde

[austere pine]

THERE'S MORE TO THIS

no yellow toughness voc, therefore no team assistance. recon lasgun (some slower-firing one). krak grenades. probably no keystone

in auric

[lyric dock]

Vets can usually get away being keystone-less

[frank basin]

Are you refer to yourself with that situation?

[lyric dock]

Before vet got their keystones. They had none

[faint beacon]

Grenadier

[frank basin]

Well I do have a vet being keystone less

[faint beacon]

Honestly might try to attempt making a viable revive shout build but that's actually going to be Sisyphean

[austere pine]

it's a lesser-known thing and people who are new to vets, who would make the mistake of not taking yellow toughness, of using recons, of using kraks, probably wouldn't know about not going with a keystone

and in auric? that person must've known what they were doing was nowhere near a real build

[tame lodge]

The good recon lasgun

[frank basin]

I been auric once with keystoneless vet

[austere pine]

they proceeded to leave mid-mission, leaving us with a bot instead, who, honestly, did more

[frank basin]

Must be tester

[faint beacon]

Vet has a lot of damn good perks nearing their keystones

[frank basin]

Testing their build in mission than psykanium

[lyric dock]

Meat grinder only tells you so much

[austere pine]

in auric tho?

[faint beacon]

Onslaught is especially one I really like

[lyric dock]

Sometimes you got throw your build into mission to see how it really does

[austere pine]

and again, i'd understand keystoneless, krak grenade, basic voc, recon las... all in different combinations. but all at once?

[lyric dock]

What's better than testing your build than throwing yourself into a HISTG

[faint beacon]

It's funny when you get good at the games movement and melee combat cause like

You can make a mediocre build and survive well

It just feels painful

[lyric dock]

It's fun when you die and you're spectating someone and they just dodge and weave through a horde

[faint beacon]

I think it's hype as fuck watching the back liner Psyker completely clutch a near wipe

Knowing they can get two shot pathetically easily

[lyric dock]

I done that a few times. The most stressful few minutes of the game

[faint beacon]

It's just as stressful when you're running Marksman Veteran

Literally not meant to Frontline now you have too

[lyric dock]

I generally run Marked targets as m Vet Keystone

[faint beacon]

Focus

Mainly cause I use Headhunters

[dawn garnet]

Yess yess now bind tag to your LMB

[lyric dock]

[frank basin]

Someone once said running marksman focus with recon

[midnight totem]

I have several builds without a keystone

Usually they're range focused builds

[tropic stratus]

one day i'm going to get power cycler 4

[lyric dock]

If Hadron allows you

[dawn garnet]

yeah right after i get thrust 4 on my shovel

I dont think i've ever seen a thrust 4

[trim steppe]

What do you think chat, I don't know best perks/blessing on laspistol 10

[lyric dock]

Ghost is pretty decent blessing

+Crit chance is something nice as Las pistols have a 15% crit chance by default

You can never go wrong with the Flak/Maniac combo for perks

[hollow ibex]

Yeah blessing options for laspistol are pretty shit anyway

[trim steppe]

Elite damage not very valuable on laspistol I take it?

So ghost/dumdum + Flak/crit/maniac?

[gray finch]

you cna check if elite damage does meet breakpoints for gunners

[hollow ibex]

Yeah see if it helps meet breakpoints

[trim steppe]

I'll roll it up later and see what I need to replace. And test it before I remove elite. Thanks!

[gray finch]

also maniac damage is weak on this weapon

go for unarmoured/flak if you can

[lyric dock]

Yeah sadly

Best case for a 2nd blessing is Reassuring Toughness which plays nice with Laspistols in general

[tropic stratus]

are las pistols any good

[trim steppe]

Doesn't las get dumdum? I would think that's the bis

[lyric dock]

Pretty solid weapon class

[tropic stratus]

do they 1 shot gunners

[tall torrent]

playable

[lyric dock]

MK X depends on build

[tall torrent]

Mk10 laspistol is prob best off with

dum dum + ghost
flak + unarmored

[tropic stratus]

i want to like the plasma gun but it is so slow

[gray finch]

it 1 shot guner with exec stance

aspecially dreg

[trim steppe]

Literally the strongest gun in the game. Never charge it ever for any reason and you'll understand its greatness

[tropic stratus]

i have only used an unconsecrated one in the meat grinder and i just couldn't get into it

[tiny summit]

Don't use the meat grinder as the rule. The power is that near everything behind the first target is also dead

Going ammo positive from a shotgunner party is great

[trim steppe]

Also a grey plasma with good stats is still stronger than every other gun

[wispy sorrel]

hmm

[junior needle]

Well, there’s a big difference between plasma with one tap breakpoints and plasma without

[fervent quiver]

I'm starting to like the mk 6 knife

the block stab is funny

[winter grove]

I wonder if lacerate is shit on mk6 since so far it helps to clear hordes

[junior needle]

Lacerate is shit on every knife

Take a look at its damage profile and you'll see why you want to click heads with it

[fervent quiver]

only thing you do with lacerate is funny watch the boss tick

[tame lodge]

thought it was about the way bleed stacks

Because of the double bleed knives

[white minnow]

what you gain in bleed, you lose in weakspot damage from not hitting heads

[winter grove]

What blessings should I have?

Well uncanny is the essential I know

[tame lodge]

Considering that vet has free bleeding, should I just run mercy killer?

[junior needle]

Mercy killer is more niche of a choice due to requiring talent taxes and not really helping with horde clear

Precog and riposte are the primary contenders. Flesh tearer is strictly better for a bleed focus but not nearly as good on vet as zealot.

[tall torrent]

Riposte/precog are best

Mercy killer is also ok

[tame lodge]

Zealot and their bleed crit build

[tall torrent]

Bleed just isn’t that great for knife all around

Zealot is a bit better there but still just better off with finesse or crit chance

[tiny summit]

DoTs give me personal satisfaction

[frank basin]

MK 6 knife

That’s what I use on zealot

[winter grove]

Instead of dying now the enemy dies later

[frank basin]

Slash and crits

[lyric dock]

Jesus 16 deaths 0.o

[frank basin]

[lyric dock]

So either everyone was dying within seconds or you rotating through players

[frank basin]

42 minute run

Only 1807 enemies killed

[tiny summit]

Flechette and the fire shotgun. God FS just let me load as many special shells as possible. Just let the shotguns have all special shells

[gray finch]

flechette works only on first targets

[tiny summit]

I know

[gray finch]

a deadshot man-stopper flechette will work probably XD

[gray finch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-cqkhjSfSI

[balmy flume]

Atoma Mutants, strong enough to smash through Valkyrie armour apparently…

[faint beacon]

Damn positive it does, it's more so rolling the Shotgun with good stats and Perks the blessings won't matter cause they're T2 locked

[frank basin]

Should it slap some 5% crits chance perk to boost the crits shot?

So when going manstopper and flechette Deadshot

[final stag]

Had a 17 death run 💀 I didn't die once but in the end of the match it was simply relentless to my teammates who kept getting swarmed and forced upon me to clutch and revive rnndnd

[frank basin]

I can’t even clutch solo

[gray finch]

just another day on a random atoma

[frank basin]

Guarantee can’t clutch solo

[winter grove]

I had a chance to clutch with my bolter build

And then poxburster

[final stag]

First deaths were a maulers horde which killed my entire team and almost got me like 3 times but I managed and saved the run it was rough man. So rough

[frank basin]

Did you die?

[winter grove]

I went really fucking good too

[winter grove]

Yes but apparently I wasn't too far away from burster

Yes I pushed it

[frank basin]

How did you die?

[winter grove]

Pox burster

[frank basin]

So you try push but failed?

[final stag]

When the burster bounces back

[winter grove]

Yes I push and dodged back

But uh

There was a fence

[frank basin]

Oh

That’s sad

[winter grove]

So I got oneshotted

[frank basin]

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-ff-heavy-respects-pay-gif-14765885

[winter grove]

I was going really good too

VoC, Mk7 shovel and bolter really came in clutch

[tiny summit]

Want to test more cursed builds but still on job trip and want to play tekken

[frank basin]

You working like what job title you work as?

[tiny summit]

I'm an Electronics Technician. Translation, I just swap computer equipment on sites

[frank basin]

Oh I remember that

I forgot you used to go trip to military base swap electronic

[tiny summit]

In Hawaii. It's been fun though. $2.5k tax free meal allowance is nice too

[frank basin]

The what now?

That tax?

I don’t get it much

It is cost like $2,500 for a meal?

[tiny summit]

For these trips you get a meal allowance everyday. It's tax free money that just comes back to you. This hawaii trip is giving me an extra $2.5k for meals whether I spent that money or not

[frank basin]

So it is free?

[tiny summit]

For working yea

Not my actual pay, just extra money

[frank basin]

They gave you money and you could buy food?

[tiny summit]

Yep

[frank basin]

I see I see

Neato, any benefit from the company you working?

Is better not neglecting employee I heard bad company many time

[tiny summit]

I get like $150-160/day. It's not a company thing. It's a government working thing.

[frank basin]

Aiye

Good then

[umbral scaffold]

all this talking about the new content...'the new content i only need'

imagine the faces zealots pulling using their vanilla flamers while u pull out the chad vet's melta

[wanton dawn]

Oh man, a vault spire maelstrom that takes only 30min ?

It must be christmas

[shadow aurora]

Id imagine they would both get the melta gun

A melta would work great with zealot

Shit i can even see it on psyker and ogryn

[winter grove]

Might be Mandela effect

But isn't there armageddon steel legion cosmetics?

[umbral scaffold]

yep...

[tall torrent]

What perks should I go for on knife

[winter grove]

Flakiac is a good choice everything, isn't it?

[umbral scaffold]

uncanny

[tall torrent]

Perks

[umbral scaffold]

flak armor with whatever

mine is shitty but i see it can instakill everything save for maulers and crushers

[tall torrent]

I rolled this

[umbral scaffold]

3 better than 6 , ez backstab

[winter grove]

Remind me what rashad stats should be

[tall torrent]

yea ik

my mk3 has mercy killer locked tho

[winter grove]

Didn't you say earlier that both knives are good, but used for different jobs

[tall torrent]

kind of

mk3 has easier access to single target attacks

mk6 heavy has some extra cleave

[winter grove]

Say, these are worth investing in?

It's zealot instead of vet but it should be same all together I think

[umbral scaffold]

it's like default playstyle for knife is in the mk3, it's about dodge e spam light attack and go heavy only when you have something giving its back to you....mk 6 just make doing this more tricky

[tall torrent]

Workable
Although unless u have a tremendous amount of resources to spend, I would hold off on Rashad until crafting overhaul

[winter grove]

Roger

I'll probably try and invest into lesser rating one

I don't want the better one to get bricked

[umbral scaffold]

have to experimet in tactcial axes, they are underrated imo

[tall torrent]

Tac axes are ok

But they’re very awkward

[winter grove]

They're like knives without cleave

[tall torrent]

They have 3 cleave

Which isn’t bad

But the moment u get into bruiser hordes you start struggling

And they don’t do nearly as much dmg as combat axe/knife

[umbral scaffold]

the middle number (i don't remember the name), it's quite nasty in gameplay...idk about stats, but i guess is one of those things on chart doesn't look that great but in game weird shit happens and they are OP

[tall torrent]

Atrox 4? It’s alright

They’re playable, just outclassed by combat axes and knife in most ways

U can do good dmg with them on both veteran & zealot

But they take a lot of talent investments to perform

[winter grove]

Basically

Just use diff weapon if you don't want to commit

[tall torrent]

I think if you put like literally every point towards weakspot, finesse & melee dmg on veteran, you can get tac axes to do great work

However a well-rolled Rashad with 10% melee and precision strikes will just outclass it

[winter grove]

I wonder if stealth rashad works on zealot

Sounds like a sound idea

[tall torrent]

Just don’t

You’re gonna fury martyrdom it the way you should

[junior needle]

Only the 4 has consistent 3 cleave on lights, the others have lights with a mix of 3 and 1.5.

[tall torrent]

thx

[junior needle]

Which makes the other variants big shit for clear on lights

[tall torrent]

I’m not adding cleave values to document yet

Only ranged weapons I figured is worth mentioning

[junior needle]

Not enough crit or attack speed whichever way you go, it’s a waste of the weapon or the ult

[tall torrent]

Helbore, Agrip1, Agrip8 have 2.5 cleave by default

Boltgun base cleave is 3

[winter grove]

Ok so

Stealth marty

[tall torrent]

Just go play thunder hammer then

[junior needle]

You want to have a massive amount of crit for stealth uptime

[frank basin]

Downloading war thunder

Or crossout again

[junior needle]

Caxes are not very good for that

[winter grove]

I use marty thunder hammer, do enlighten if stealth is better than chastise

[junior needle]

Stealth thammer is better for the biggest doinks

[shadow aurora]

Im sorry for your loss

[frank basin]

[junior needle]

If your goal is to one shot bosses

[winter grove]

My goal isn't exactly that

[tall torrent]

The best way to Rashad on zealot is to play 5 stack martyrdom (+40% melee dmg), 5 stack martyrdom: maniac (+20% melee atk speed), +5% melee dmg, sustained assault (+20% melee dmg), +10% melee atk speed, and fury giving you +20% melee atk speed for 10s on use

This gives you a combined total of

+65% melee dmg
+50% melee atk speed

Pump 1 celerity stim and you’re the emperor’s fastest axe-swinging lunatic

It’s hilarious how fast you can swing that axe

[winter grove]

You've gave me a game plan actually yes

I need to find the marty build for rashad

[tall torrent]

This what I run

+65% melee dmg (up to +85% since BM hits up to 4 enemies which stacks disdain 4 times)
+50% melee atk speed (up to +60% with the emperor’s bullet)
Gain 15% toughness per valid dodge
Gain 30% toughness per swing (kill 4 with BM)

[winter grove]

My hugest concern is brutal momentum

But the rework is soon

[tall torrent]

Crafting rework?

[winter grove]

It's at the end of the month ye?

[tall torrent]

Or BM rework

[winter grove]

Crafting

[tall torrent]

Oh prob 6 months from now

[winter grove]

[tall torrent]

End of month is announcement of penance update (1st major update of 2024)

Which means the actual penance update is prob early April

And then crafting rework prob June/July or smth

[winter grove]

Ima take the gambling pill then

But first I'll probably brick the worse one for blessings

[tall torrent]

Kind of easier to craft axe for zealot than veteran, if you’re planning to go martyrdom

[winter grove]

Yeah it's for zealot

[midnight totem]

Question, what are the differences in base stats for every class?

I know zealots have higher, faster stamina regen, as well as they keep more of their sprint speed at 0

[trim hemlock]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/classes

You might want to give this a study

[midnight totem]

Ty

[trim hemlock]

There's different parameters listed for each class

[tall torrent]

a lot of differences actually

health, toughness, stamina, innate abilities, crit chance, etc

[midnight totem]

the heck is damage dodging/sprint/slide

also I had figured we all had the same innate base crit

[trim hemlock]

It's damage modifiers inflicted on your player character in different states

i.e., you may be taking less damage to your health/toughness during certain actions states

[midnight totem]

... so vets take full damage if they're hit while dodging

[trim hemlock]

For instance, yeah

[midnight totem]

https://tenor.com/view/dumb-thats-dumb-foolish-will-ferrell-gif-14910195

[trim hemlock]

Consider this

In some time in the past, Vets took 2x damage while sprinting

The reason for this fine balance decision? 200 base toughness, so naturally Vet should be punished for being hit while they are sprinting.

[midnight totem]

whaaaa

[trim hemlock]

Pre Patch 13 Darktide was indeed a good time

[midnight totem]

I'm so glad I joined the game after that patch

[trim hemlock]

Post patch 13 Vets have only 100 Toughness

But at least they are not taking a buttload more damage while sprinting

Zealot used to take 0 damage while sliding pre P13, if I recall correctly

Only Ogryn remained unscathed, because they always received 1x damage in any state

[midnight totem]

I love the tide games but

I learned from vermintide and vermintide 2

don't buy the game on release

[junior needle]

It was a wise choice, especially if you got the giga Aquila offer from Microsoft

I regret putting time into the game when it was in that state

[dawn garnet]

hey at least you didnt buy starfield on launch

[junior needle]

I didn’t buy star field at all

What a creatively bankrupt game

[dawn garnet]

atlas i was a believer

[old quail]

these were all toughness damage multipliers iirc

normalized in p13/14 thankfully

[trim hemlock]

They might have been that, yeah

[dawn garnet]

guys good what can i say?

[old quail]

i think the idea i miss the most was the scrapped weapon coherency regen states

which were bugged and didnt work

but autopistol n stuff got more coherency regen while sprinting (in concept, in actuality it was reversed so u regenned more from coherency while standing still w/ autopistol)

[dawn garnet]

weapon coherency regen? like getting ammo for staying in?

[old quail]

no

just toughness

but it was cool in terms of vibes™️

just didnt work and ig they didnt care enough about it to make it work

[tall torrent]

@junior needle wdyt
full weapon type description, important talents & available blessings are on 2nd page I haven't finished yet

[junior needle]

Looks good for the most part. Although the charts seem like they could be a bit obtuse for actual performance. For anti armor for example, the 6d has the worst modifiers but the highest value there for some reason. Is that carapace performance or all armor types?

Also the 7a has 2.7 cleave, minor difference.

You may want to mention that the 6d can have the highest dps but relies on rending stacking for it.

Still better than mk2 even without it though

[tall torrent]

is that different from Helbore, Agrip1 and Agrip8

[tall torrent]

the actual dps against flak is highest still I believe (at close range)? but worst at range

[pliant sentinel]

Holy shit the mk2 recon is actually goated

[tame lodge]

personally a fan of VIIa

[hollow ibex]

That’s the dogshit one iirc

I mean they’re all bad

[junior needle]

It is the dogshit one

Lowest dps gun in the game

[tame lodge]

Bought one with 17% ammo

[junior needle]

7a is middle of the pack with rending taken into account

[tame lodge]

Lol

[trim steppe]

In what world can the mk2 recon be goated, its actually the worst gun in the game lol

[junior needle]

Yes. Helbores have 3, agri brauto has 3, agri iag has 2.1. Checkable on: https://dt.wartide.net/calc/

[trim steppe]

I wish it wasnt cuz the recons feel fun, they just perform like absolute ass

[junior needle]

Are we talking pure baseline?

[tall torrent]

ok

[tall torrent]

with a build (no onslaught)

[junior needle]

That's a bit one sided if you're doing built but specifically excluding the talent that unscuffs its base damage the most

[tall torrent]

rending strikes can be included

onslaught I don't include because it's a large point sink with too low returns

[junior needle]

It does give you at least 200~ dps on the 6d

But that's a bit arbitrary method for testing

[winter grove]

What about the shotties?

I haven't seen people use them

[tall torrent]

Just including rending strikes, 6d still should have the best armor performance than 2 and 7a, no?

[hollow ibex]

Just generally? They’re ok. Lawbringer is the worst of them

[junior needle]

No. You underestimate the scuffedness of its modifiers.

Goes about even with the 7a on flak bodyshots assuming equal crits.

With rending strikes

[tall torrent]

Flak headshots

[junior needle]

Flak headshots are the hardest to test

[tall torrent]

So put 6d and 7a on same anti-armor rating, mk2 still all round worst besides firing uptime

[umbral scaffold]

just stop thinking about it and grab your plasma gun, private

[tall torrent]

Mk2 anti-armor 28
Mk6d and 7a anti-armor 30

[junior needle]

Well, having "armor" refer only to flak is a bit misleading. All recons do have the same weakspot modifier, so they should in theory be the exact same on headshots with the same bodyshot dps.

Technically unyielding, maniac, and carapace are armor types too

[tall torrent]

The anti-armor rating I use in these radar charts usually refers to scab rager, mauler & crusher

So it’s pretty much exclusively flak & carapace armor

[junior needle]

Yeah that'

's gonna skew expectations

[tall torrent]

I could make a radar chart with 8 different angles

But that visually just looks bad

So I settled for 5 angles

[junior needle]

You might want to change it so armor refers to armor as a whole, ie anything affected by rending. To use iag's as an example, they have great unyielding/maniac mods but flak is their weakest non carapace damage type.

[tall torrent]

(In fact, the only reason “firing uptime” exists is so recons can have a stat that’s >40 so they get the full 50 rating scale)

[tall torrent]

All the rending stuff is explained in the first 3 pages

[junior needle]

Mhm, but having the armor stat only refer to 2/4 types of armor is a bit misleading. Realistically nothing mechanically separates flak from maniac apart from arbitrary damage modifiers.

[tall torrent]

Anti-special generally covers maniac more

And boss DPS generally covers unyielding more

In that sense it’s all there

[junior needle]

Oh I missed anti special existing

That's still a bit uh

Convoluted to break it down like that

Flak and carapace don't really have anything in common to get grouped there

[tall torrent]

Again, having too many angles just looks unintuitive

[tall torrent]

My reasoning is that
Scab rager 10 mass
Scab mauler 10 mass
Crusher carapace block cleave

These are the 3 main enemies that can immediately change how u approach melee because they block cleave on just about every weapon

[junior needle]

[tall torrent]

And they’re visually wearing full body black armor

[junior needle]

Well as long as you make an explanation for it in the guide

[tall torrent]

Yea it’s at the very very start “terminology & mechanics”

[junior needle]

Firing uptime is such a redundant stat though

[tall torrent]

I know

I can’t come up with anything else to give recon >40 rating

Which would cause them to use 40 scale

[junior needle]

If you just removed that you could do a full armor type breakdown with those 4 slots.

[tall torrent]

And the chart looks way better than it should be

Because all 5 angles are near edge

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/cats-cute-conference-cat-conference-gif-11674406

This channel right now

[tall torrent]

Lemme show u an example of what I mean

this is plasma

[junior needle]

The council is discussing important matters

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cats-pet-cat-cat-pet-cute-cat-gif-24810247

[tall torrent]

this is a random chart I made with all 4 stats under 41

do u see a difference between this and plasma's chart

[junior needle]

I am not looking at the chart for plasma so I do not see the difference

[swift minnow]

idk. i think we need more cat pics

[tall torrent]

It has 1 less ring which means it uses 40 scale instead of the full 50 scale

And the chart ends up having the edges much closer to full size

Indicating that it’s good in everything

When in reality it’s just that it’s not using the full scale so it visually looks better than it actually is

[swift minnow]

the plasma is the strongest but it lacks the brrrr

[junior needle]

Wouldn't changing the breakdown to individual armor types allow you to keep that many corners while also having more intuitive information on the charts?

[swift minnow]

few weapons out side of abillitys can 2 tap bosses

[tall torrent]

If I do 6 angles covering every armor/non-armor type, some weapons would still be <41 in rating and make their charts look better than they really are

And it’s harder to gauge how good they’re at different things when looking purely at performance vs armor types

Knife has very good maniac dmg
That doesn’t make it good against Dreg rager

So I have to squeeze in more stats

And that eventually leads to too many angles to be visually interesting

[junior needle]

You don't really need unarmored/infested performance on guns, I'd just skip those

[tall torrent]

Which is why they’re not in that radar chart

Horde clear angle is only for melee weapons

[junior needle]

I do think this would be the most intuitive breakdown for relative damage output/performance, and most melee weapons aren't good for dealing with ragers so you can leave that to some misc notes.

While maintaining the same chart

[tall torrent]

This doesn’t incorporate any attributes in relation to stagger or dodge properties

[junior needle]

Oh true

[tall torrent]

For melee that absolutely matters

Like I said, trying to do a bunch of Armor type breakdown just ends up making it look too complicated

I can barely squeeze in 3 weapons in 1 page with all their relevant info

[junior needle]

It still ends up a bit complicated doing it that way though

Perhaps flak/maniac could be lumped together for melee

Leaving a spot for mobility

[tall torrent]

It’s not as in-depth for sure, but for just simple visualization in key performance metrics I think it’s passable enough

[junior needle]

Or just not include mobility on the chart

[tall torrent]

Mobility is sorted into “defense” for melee weapons

[junior needle]

Since it's the same across the whole line

[tall torrent]

Stagger and defense are separate

[junior needle]

[swift minnow]

with melee bleed is an imprtant factor if you have bleed it cut through allot of carapace, boss and maniacs health bars

[tall torrent]

Stagger is more in offense
Defense is stagger + dodge more in terms of defense

[tall torrent]

That’s also just not true

Carapace and bosses have low dmg modifiers for bleed

You need rending/brittleness for it to do notable dmg

[junior needle]

Yeah crushers have drastically reduced dot damage

[swift minnow]

with my chain sword if i have bleed it takes 2 swings instead of 3

[junior needle]

And bleed is limited to a few setups for any notable usage

Most weapons do not have it at all natively

[swift minnow]

vets have an perk that give bleed stacks

[tall torrent]

Serrated blade? Don’t take it outside of knife with mercy killer

[junior needle]

1 per attack, which is essentially just for mercy killer

[tall torrent]

Bleed needs >10 stacks for notable dmg on most enemies

[junior needle]

Dots have nonlinear scaling and do very little damage on low stacks

[swift minnow]

i dont have a problem building bleed on damnation, youre saying its a trap but i have 0 problems building 10 - 20 stacks

[tall torrent]

You can’t even build 20 stacks of bleed in this game

Highest possible is 16

[junior needle]

You literally can’t get over 16

[winter grove]

This is when you discover the bait

[junior needle]

Taking serrated purely to stack bleed is a trap

[tall torrent]

Bloodletter blessing for chainsword is viable because it instantly stacks very high amounts of bleed which actually deals good dmg against most enemies

[junior needle]

Bleed itself is fine but very situational

[tall torrent]

Taking serrated blade to stack 3 bleed on regular enemies before u kill them is not good

[swift minnow]

when you hear something you dont like you call them a troll.. toxic

[tall torrent]

I never called u troll

[swift minnow]

insinuated it

[junior needle]

That was someone else

[winter grove]

Serrated blade is just a worse lacerate and lacerate is already bad

[junior needle]

Serrated could arguably be better lacerate because it doesn’t require body shot hits

[tall torrent]

Ok man live in your imaginations if u must

[winter grove]

True

And doesn't take blessing slot

[junior needle]

Maybe if it gave one more bleed stack

1 is just too low

[final stag]

Yeah the main breadwinner is the saving of blessing and it bleeds from everywhere

But it needs a Lil buff like
2-3 stacks instead of 1

[junior needle]

Double to triple the effectiveness is more than a little buff

But I agree

[final stag]

You can't just 1.5 that bitch tjdnnd

[tall torrent]

Honestly
Buff it to 4 or smth
If a melee weapon can’t kill an enemy in 4 hits, it’s prob in need of bleed to actually do its job

[final stag]

That'd make mercy killer a fucking menace

[tall torrent]

That’s fine

[final stag]

Make melee vet stronk

[tall torrent]

Mercy killer only works starting from 2nd hit anyways

[final stag]

Make it comparable to VoC vet 🗣

[junior needle]

You already take Voc in melee builds

[winter grove]

He is indeed strong

[final stag]

I take infil fnndnd

[tall torrent]

@junior needle metrics I use rn

[final stag]

Smonke

[late hatch]

https://tenor.com/view/snoop-dogg-dr-dre-calvin-cordozar-broadus-jr-american-rapper-car-gif-17654008

[final stag]

Boutta hotbox the squad!

[tiny summit]

My beloved operation hotbox

[tame lodge]

Hi int carnival, this recon vet was mowing through horde at the cost of ammo, actually well played

[junior needle]

“Mowing”

I’m not sure shooting into melee chaffe counts as playing well, and if it does then every recon vet does it

[tall torrent]

I’m almost done with all weapon pages

Headhunter
Autopistol
Revolver
Shotgun

Then I can start with actual builds to recommend

[last parcel]

I have no idea what you're talking about. We recon users don't chew through ammo at all

[tame lodge]

Playes well as staying alive

Like you know

The minimum

[frank basin]

Dear Veteran

https://youtube.com/shorts/kxl8aGnkEOI?si=MuafmU2aNxwTEjoY

[tall torrent]

7 crate pickup is crazy

[cloud falcon]

Is left click spamming the Plasma Gun more damage per second than firing max charged shots?

[tall torrent]

Yes

Don’t use charged shots (ever)

[cloud falcon]

So it's better to left click a monster than to charge

[cloud falcon]

That bad huh? I guess they're just for hitting breakpoints?

[tall torrent]

No

Don’t even use them for breakpoints

They’re bad in ammo efficiency, have less DPS than uncharged shots, and are prone to blowing up

[cloud falcon]

huh

well taht's no fun

[tall torrent]

Charged shots need a buff to ammo cost to be worth using
Uncharged shots need nerf on cleave & ammo cost

[cloud falcon]

tyvm

[sudden quail]

simpler chainsword moveset?

[final stag]

Heby

[tall torrent]

Which chainsword

[sudden quail]

yeah thats my question

Like iv or xviii

[tall torrent]

Mk4 is better

[final stag]

Mk4 has vaguely horizontal hebys

[junior needle]

13g chainsword has surprisingly very good light spam for chaffe clear, better than the 4 and among the best in the game

But you need wrath on it for sure

Therefore if you want simplicity that’s the one

[sudden quail]

KK TY

best revolver?

[potent iris]

zarona is the meta revolver

[austere mica]

Unless you want one fan schenanigans

[dusty nacelle]

If only there was a cowboy hat cosmetic for vet...

[final stag]

Zarona for sure. You can make some decent crit builds with the agri.

[dusty nacelle]

what's the meta blessings and perks for a fan the hammer revo btw?

[final stag]

The rending one for sure for 60%

You can go trickshooter or crucial roulette depends on your accuracy

Flak/unyielding

It works best on vet or psyker

And if you do use it
Look out for the stimm that makes you reload faster, shoot faster, and hurt better with ranged.

[fading grove]

Doesn’t blue stimm also make ranged bypass armor completely?

[dusty nacelle]

I don't care what it takes pleaseee add in wild west cosmetics so I can live out my fantasy

it took me embarrassingly long to get that clip

[final stag]

If it does even better!

[final stag]

God how I wish I could aim like that fjdnnd

[tall torrent]

2 recon lasgun vets not having any dmg and can’t melee is just lol

[dusty nacelle]

I spent like 15 minutes trying to do it with headshots and faster but i just couldnt so i gave up XD

[final stag]

I also say best with them because Vet has a lot of buffs for guns in general which turns the agri into a really good revolver for getting rid of stuff as long as your stupid teammates don't eat 5 shots of justice.

And psyker has scriers gaze which also synergizes well with the silly revolver.

Just get ready to have your teammates eat your shots lolol

[dusty nacelle]

it's actually a sin they haven't put in wild west style cosmetics tho

ig it doesn't match the artstyle exactly but

[rigid pilot]

Does it?

[tall torrent]

Crucian/surgical + hand cannon

[tall torrent]

Blue stim doesn’t give u +dmg

[final stag]

Blue stimm is just good to have to delete a boss with the revolver

[rigid pilot]

Red stimm is the one that gives rending

[tall torrent]

Red stim is +dmg

[rigid pilot]

Rending and damage yes

[final stag]

I feel like red is best saved on someone better in melee but if the red is all you have use it for the revolver
I still say blue stimm for revolver in case of bosses

[elder fiber]

idk vet revolver with red can be p funny vs bosses

[final stag]

I like the faster reload/fire rate
I guess it's dps through a lot of bullets = more chance to crit and cause b e e g damage

[rigid pilot]

I keep my stims because I rarely see anyone else use them lol

[final stag]

Whenever I'm playing agri vet or psyker I take blue

If not it's either combat or health

[midnight totem]

Is there any pro to devastating strike over the other cleave blessings?

[trim steppe]

My understanding is that Devastating Strike unilaterally is terrible

[midnight totem]

Bollocks

[tall torrent]

Its only upside is 5s uptime, better than savage sweep’s 3s and wrath’s 3.5s

However it has only 1 stack and relies on crits

It’s just nowhere as good as the other two

[umbral scaffold]

Anyone else getting awful rubber banding and lag lately?

Feels like the servers have regressed again lately, Darktide has been collecting dust in my library for a minute now

[junior needle]

Surgical is only if you want to use it like the zarona but drastically worse

So crucian + handcannon, it's too inaccurate between shots to justify trickshooter in any practical way

[final stag]

Against bosses not really. And ogryns at close range.

From range however trickshotter will fall off but I agree
Crucian+handcannon to get those crits.

[pearl granite]

do we know what's the upcoming cosmetic set?

[final stag]

I just tried the rashad and I might be in love

[umbral scaffold]

https://youtu.be/s13SfAvjjvY?list=RDMM is this even be used ingame? never heard it once playing

[hybrid prawn]

I think i heard it on enclavum baross

[random tulip]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C4sAmLANt68/?igsh=OGFsYm5vYmdlcmNz

artwork_of_warhammer

Hehe
By GraffitiSoul (X)

#imperium #spacemarine #warhammer #Warhammer40k #wh40k

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[warm olive]

On vet idk , on zealot can be fun if u stacks crits

[white minnow]

shame that wrath exists if you want cleave blessing that doesn't rely on hitting 3 targets, since it takes only 2 hits to stack the same amount of cleave as what devastating cleave gives (and thus you'd get the benefit of +80% cleave on the 3rd hit)

[junior needle]

If you're close enough to reliably land all your shots to the head you might as well just pull out your melee weapon

But yes you can use trickshooter for close range blasting, although probably not as much damage as with crucian because crits and handcannon

[lyric dock]

That be a sexy gun

[loud oyster]

Daamn, that's a nice stat roll

[umbral scaffold]

i finally maxed out my vet, im a fresh level 30 what do i do next?

[lyric dock]

I think a over confident vet died with this baby in thier hands recently

One dead man's trash is a living man's treasure

[wanton dawn]

Deserved for using unconsecrated green stuff in sanctioned mission

The emprah does not look kindly upon those fool

[lyric dock]

Head first into Maelstorm

[umbral scaffold]

plasma + mk3 knife WS/VoC vet.....broken OP

[lyric dock]

Thanks Hadron

[balmy flume]

Try your hand at the special Twins boss fight, or try taking on Auric level missions.

In normal, just do Damnations, lower levels not worth much unless you are leveling a friend/need to farm weekly deathless runs for Melk

[fresh saddle]

next goal is to keep playing so you start getting higher power level drops to optimize your weapons

[umbral scaffold]

thanks currently farming the melk run rn

[lyric dock]

Welcome to the Real game

[umbral scaffold]

now the real game begins

[lyric dock]

Level 1 to 29 is the tutorial

[wintry cove]

true

[frank monolith]

Its the speed run if its your second playthrough

[dawn garnet]

5th char is the real pain

[gleaming lynx]

does someone have a good gunner pew pew build? don't mind if it's lasgun or something else, semi or full auto,... just want to try pw pew

[junior needle]

Builds are highly dependant on the particular weapons you want to use

But as long as you take survivalist and voc with overshield, you will be useful

[gleaming lynx]

i guess something with the Kantrael mk 2 lasgun?

what would you recommend for a snipy anti-ranged veteran build?

[stable socket]

have you tried our lord and savior plasma

[gleaming lynx]

yeah, love it but i'm looking for something with a bit more skill curve

[stable socket]

gotcha, i think the hellbores are pretty good at sniping things

[tame lodge]

Yeah, but bring something to compensate for them

Like frags for hordes

The bayonet won't help with big numbers

(I do find it wild that the bayo is insanely good against void shield)

[devout coral]

Bayonet is good for staggering ragets

[tame lodge]

That's a fact

[junior needle]

The laspistol?

[gleaming lynx]

sorry, lucius mk2 hellbore

[tall torrent]

only 3 weapon types left in my guide

autopistol, revolver, shotgun

[tall torrent]

it's good, aim for headshots

[gleaming lynx]

which capstone is best for snippy build?

[tall torrent]

usually, middle

[trim hemlock]

Focus Target or Marksman’s Focus

The former is more consistent in general combat situations

The latter is putting heavy emphasis on you clicking heads

[rose ingot]

Anyone got any advice for hunting penances?

[trim hemlock]

What is there to tell (type?)? Just play and do them. Do you have any specific penances in mind?

[rose ingot]

Make Every Shot Count mostly

[tall torrent]

No survivalist aura
Bring revolver/plasma/shotgun
Only shoot when you’re sure you’re going to hit something that’s still alive
Become melee veteran once u run out

[rose ingot]

Just never pick up any ammo after?

[tall torrent]

Yea

[rose ingot]

Seems easy enough actually

[lyric dock]

Will make a note

If there's another Survivalist vet in your squad when you do it after you empty your gun

Do not switch to it (Assuming that hasn't been patched out)

[gritty mural]

Don’t bring shotgun, I’ve had people play veteran not get the penance because it doesn’t calculate accuracy as you’d expect it

[umbral scaffold]

aquila=microtransactions?

[rose ingot]

Y’all got build suggestions? I’ve been mucking about without much clue as to what to do to there

[final stag]

What're looking for as a build?

[rose ingot]

Versatility, survivability

[final stag]

Oh that's super easy lemme find the link to the like
Pound for pound vet meta build.

[rose ingot]

Dope. I’m only lvl 17, nothing amazing, but I’m getting there

[final stag]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9a565016-bd70-4fe0-8c82-1080bc73412e/veteran-squad-leader

I recommend VoC with the toughness to everyone ASAP, it'll make early runs easy but you can also do Infil which is a good utility ability. But everyone Knows VoC is simply powerful.

[rose ingot]

Dope, I recreated it exactly as much as I could. The recommended weapons, hard requirement?

[final stag]

No. Use what you prefer but make sure you have a weapon for hordes and a weapon for everything else.

The shovels are really good and fun
Powerswords are a bit overtuned
Swords are nice
Chain weapons are alright.

Vet can use all the guns in the game effectively honestly. Some are just meta over others.

[rose ingot]

Any I should outright avoid?

I’ve been using lasguns and the Bolter mostly

[final stag]

Recon lasgun is known for being one of the worst guns in the game so avoid that one maybe.

Besides that all the weapons can be used effectively.

For lasguns just get prepared for your teammates to block thr shots 💀

[glossy falcon]

If I already have the standard plasma gun build for focusing elites, and want a second build that can help kill regular ranged mobs and do decent elite damage is the Kantrael MG Ia Infantry Lasgun my go to weapon for that? I usually run the typcial Squad Leader build posted above.

[tall torrent]

Recon lasguns
Shredder autopistol

[tall torrent]

MG1a is nice, remember to take suppression immunity

[final stag]

Kantreals are honestly pretty versatile.
Not bad weapons at all.

[frank monolith]

this is what i use, it can kill everything in 1-2 shot dont count bosses. knife is mostly used to kite bosses or run away. it can be used against horde but it takes a while to kill em, usually push into dodge back to plasma pew pew pew or throw a nade at it.

[tall torrent]

I’d drop marksman for stamina regen delay reduction

[frank monolith]

where do you get these

[cloud falcon]

How's the Columnus MV look nowadays?

[final stag]

He made them

Homies like a genius bdbsbdbd

[tall torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/armstrong-made-it-up-gif-25653819

[frank monolith]

is there a website or excell sheet where i can access it

[final stag]

I go off of basic memory this guy creates graphs

[tall torrent]

It’s WIP
The previous version is in the pinned messages here

Previous version only included talent tree breakdowns

[frank monolith]

i dont have stam problem with this build

[tall torrent]

It’s for knife push atk spam

[frank monolith]

is it this one

[final stag]

Yeah vet has the lowest stam regen

[tall torrent]

Yea, that one only has talent tree stuff rn

[final stag]

At like 1.25 I think which is AWFUL COMPARED to zealot or pysker

[tall torrent]

1.00s

[frank monolith]

going to be honest i rarely use the push attack knife on vet, i just go like ok push dodge back into plasma

[final stag]

At still 1.00s is horrendous

[frank monolith]

on my zealot i love to spam the overhead knife block attack

[final stag]

You notice it quick as a vet player

[tall torrent]

Zealot is 0.75s
Psyker is 0.5s

Ogryn is 1.00s as well

But ogryn atks are slow enough that it’s bearable

[final stag]

Yeah nfndn

There is two nodes in the skill tree that decrease Stam regen by .25

So you can invest to have base psyker Stam regen djdndn

[tall torrent]

I’ve finished all veteran weapons’ pages except autopistol, revolver & shotgun

[frank monolith]

i also do this when i dont feel like marking enemies, just shoot some trash mob head with plasma and go kill the non trashmobs with the given buff

[tall torrent]

So if there’s any specific weapon u want I can send rn

[tall torrent]

Pls don’t play marksman’s focus with plasma

[frank monolith]

it works though

[tall torrent]

Plasma has very low finesse

[frank monolith]

ok i wont

[final stag]

You should be pinging at all times though ^^

Doesn't matter if you have the keystone or not.

[frank monolith]

hey men if im feeling lazy i wont ping but ill just kill it

but yes you defo right i should ping

[somber axle]

I have my ping mapped to right click so I naturally highlight enemies just by aiming at them. It sometimes highlights extra problems I didn't even see through something I'm killing too. Probably not as useful for Plasma since no one ever uses charged shot so there's zero reason to map it to right click

For focus target it will not overwrite higher stacks with a follow up ping afaik so accidentally double pinging a target doesn't reduce the effect

I wouldn't recommend mapping ping to left click. You will spam ping things constantly and your team will hate you for it

[final stag]

Imagine left clicking to ping

[gleaming lynx]

I'm a Mordhau player so I just spam V by habit

[somber axle]

It's funny but I remember seeing guides saying to map ping to left click when I first started Darktide. I tried it and realised it is goofy LMFAO

[final stag]

Spam pinging everything even the floor would set me over the edge

[gleaming lynx]

"CHAAAAAAAAARGE"

[final stag]

That is goofy

[somber axle]

Right click is pretty safe tho. Plus if I'm looking down a dark hall and my weapon has no flashlight I can spam right click to check for specials/elites hiding in the shadows

Only time right click to ping is awkward is with revolver/shotgun afaik since clicking and holding right click will interrupt reload

[hoary horizon]

Or shoot down hall

Works with ripper

[final stag]

Throw nades 😈

[somber axle]

If only I had a fun explosive weapon to fire down halls as a Vet

[hoary horizon]

Plasma

[gleaming lynx]

bolter

[hoary horizon]

Ulgo say plasma because if overcharge boom

[somber axle]

Those are not really explosive imo. Plasma kills in a line. Bolter will AoE stagger. Not like Ogryn cannon bomb going boom and exploding into things around it

[wanton dawn]

Try making a build that does not work with plasma

[wanton dawn]

You cant make a build that does not work with plasma

[final stag]

I wish they added the veteran grenade launcher

[somber axle]

Run naked 0 talents and still kill everything with plasma

[final stag]

Less damage than the rumbler but has 5 shots.

[hoary horizon]

Ulgo not have plasma build and do fine

[final stag]

Bfbdn

[hoary horizon]

Not need plasma even! Only shovel

[final stag]

I shank people

[rose ingot]

Of the lasguns, which is the arguable “best”?

[somber axle]

Charge into the dark Zealot style

[final stag]

I roleplay the average London resident

[rose ingot]

Is that label even applicable?

[gleaming lynx]

Yes. best lasgun is toothpick lasgun

[hoary horizon]

No

[final stag]

Kantreal is very reliable
But hellebore is a runner up too

[somber axle]

Depends on which variant you're talking and for what purpose

[gleaming lynx]

stabby lasgun

[hoary horizon]

Ulgo like MGA

Is normL 9ne yes?

Finger too big gah

[umbral scaffold]

i found your lack of -WEAPON SPECIALIST- disturbing

[somber axle]

If you mean the most versatile overall across Recon, Lucius and Kantrael patterns then I'd say Lucius Mk II is the best overall gun for dealing with anything the game throws at you. Fast firing speed, powerful damage per shot, amazing armour pen to strike down flak and carapace, perfect bayonet strike for quickly killing the poxwalker that snuck up behind you before returning to shooting and the bayonet is very good at breaking boss shields. Fast attack and good damage

[final stag]

The only bad thing is it's long draw time and awful ironsights

[somber axle]

Plus Lucius Mk II's bayonet can stagger ragers and turns them into a cakewalk if they suddenly appear in your face

[wanton dawn]

Arguably worse than 0

[dawn garnet]

tac mag reload is nice with plasma

[rose ingot]

I’ll try the Lucius, I haven’t yet

[gleaming lynx]

show me a meta weapon spec build

please?

[somber axle]

This is very true and really the only drawbacks to the Lucius II. If you could put better ironsights or a scope on it, it would be easily the best lasgun in the game no contest

[wanton dawn]

Reload talent on plasma are QoL bait

[final stag]

NO CONTEST. It would be so much higher in a tier list for .e

[dawn garnet]

it doesnt work or what?

[rose ingot]

Alright, what perks should I throw on a Lucius mk II?

[final stag]

I use the tac reload with WS with my revolver so I always have 1 in the chamber and a 40% reload so I cover a weakness of its slow reload.

[wanton dawn]

Too slow to reload in fight anyway.

[final stag]

Charge time decrease is mando

[dawn garnet]

idk its better than not having imo

[rose ingot]

Don’t seem to have charge time available

[wanton dawn]

The point is: your mag is so big you should find down time to reload. Or anim cancel

[final stag]

Oh perks!
Maniacs and flak in my opinion

[umbral scaffold]

ledies and gents: the 100% wrong vet build

[rose ingot]

I’ve got the weight of fire blessing though

[final stag]

Always my go to for perks on guns lolol

[somber axle]

I will warn that Lucius II needs high damage, stopping power and charge rate to make it shine but if you can get a good Lucius II roll it will carry games. Afaik it wants Unarmoured to meet an important breakpoint on Dreg Gunners. Second perk can be flak, maniac, carapace or unyielding though off the top of my head idk if any of those make any breakpoints easier. I run with Weight of Fire IV and Surgical IV for even faster shots and higher crit chance but tbh Weight of Fire isn't even necessary on the Mk II with a good charge rate so you could swap it for Infernus IV, No Respite IV, etc.

[rose ingot]

Which reduces charge time by 8%, stacks 5 times

[dawn garnet]

do keystonless

[umbral scaffold]

plasma or columnus?

[dawn garnet]

TAKE DEADSHOT WITH PLASMA

[gleaming lynx]

Lucius II? (or columnus)

[dawn garnet]

EVERY LASER TALENT ON INFANTRY

[odd sparrow]

all grenade talents on smoke

[umbral scaffold]

spending points of marksman focus is worse than keystoneless

[wanton dawn]

And determined

[umbral scaffold]

that's not meta, that's carpal tunnel syndrome

[somber axle]

Lucius II ironsights are tricky and will need practice to get used to but once you learn the sights and how to put shots down range accurately it becomes a beautiful weapon for mopping up anything the game throws at you

[dawn garnet]

every SINGLE non named node

[wanton dawn]

I have a columnus build but nobody like it

[umbral scaffold]

columnus, switch deadshot with determined if your aim sucks

[dawn garnet]

for curios 3x +3 stamina ofc

[dawn garnet]

3x stamina regen 3x combat ability and 3x sprint

[umbral scaffold]

one single 3+ stamina is plenty if your stamina mng is on track

[somber axle]

People are allergic to Exe Stance because VoC is so strong. I main Infiltrate though for forcing objectives during heated moments, saving downed team mates and clutching out solo when the whole squad falls though

[rose ingot]

Why is Orthus so damn tricky? I’ve done missions twice the difficulty with relatively little issue but I am struggling here.

[final stag]

Same.

I have a exec stance build and I love my infil build

[dawn garnet]

middle keystone is your friend

vet is the only class i could do it on

[wanton dawn]

I mostly play exec atm. VoC is stronger

[dawn garnet]

and i play vet the least

plasma with a thrust shovel helped a lot

[umbral scaffold]

exe makes you killed even in vanilla damnation with shit teams, if your teamates can support it it's great

[final stag]

Voc always will be stronger

[wanton dawn]

But exec give better scoreboard padding

[final stag]

I built mine to be self sufficient. It can deal with every threat in the game and still be able to handle hordes

[somber axle]

I haven't run it in forever but a lot of people tunnel vision bosses and get swarmed by hordes, specials and elites. If no one is dealing with crowd control the team will probably fall apart. Also idk if randoms know you can quickly run in and out of floor bombs to trigger them safely and run back out before they pop so people get caught in those during panic moments too

[final stag]

If you have a high enough skill you don't really need a team to support you while exe

[umbral scaffold]

you need to run WS....and i think it's bugged with .exe

[final stag]

I go keystoneless with my exe build fjndnf

[wanton dawn]

Everybody got enough skill until you are paired with teammate that dont assist you at all

[final stag]

Marksman focus is ass and I'd rather invest in extra damage against monstrosities and rending

[final stag]

More like a teammate who dies all the time putting a burden on the team

[umbral scaffold]

focus target>keystoneless>marksman focus

[umbral scaffold]

and WS>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>-all the before mentioned-

[wanton dawn]

Meh

Its alright

For melee

[umbral scaffold]

dude, plasma with gets hots! u proc 5-6 shots at 83% crits change with WS buff on ranged

and even a sigle shot of plasma matters

[wanton dawn]

A crit on plasma give you same dmg as 5 stacks FT.

[frank monolith]

i can use any weapon

[wanton dawn]

Also plasma good with every build

[frank monolith]

i just need the blessings and ill use it easily

[wanton dawn]

Also not counting FT support node which are better than WS

If you play plasma with agile engagement though, it is very very fun

But taking it on a pure ranged plasma is 3 talents point...

And on a melee it means no survivalist. Ogryns will hate you

[midnight totem]

I wish joining a game midmatch and finishing it counted for the never going down penance

Joined a high int at the midway point, looked like the guy before me died 4 times

[rose ingot]

So, the difficulty levels. What level should I be when I attempt each?

[tall torrent]

It’s not bugged

Executioner’s stance is instant equip, it doesn’t count as “weapon swap”

Also, plasma crits don’t have much value besides bodyshot 1 tap breakpoint due to plasma’s low finesse

[midnight totem]

I'd say, level 1 to 10 for whatever it is under malice

11 to 20 for malice

[tall torrent]

Depends on how new you’re to the game, and how new you’re to the class you’re playing

[midnight totem]

20 to 26 or 27 for heresy

I started doing damnation on my second vet at 26

[rose ingot]

I’m at 18 right now. Fairly new to the game but I’m playing veteran.

[tall torrent]

Probably malice?

Practice melee mechanics there

[rose ingot]

Block push like crazy

[midnight totem]

For heresy and up I strongly recommend vets have grenade regen at the very least

Even if the rest of your gear is not that good, good grenade use contributes a lot

[tall torrent]

Not really just be efficient with killing things and minimize dmg taken

[hybrid token]

grenades are most important when you have shit gear coz their not gear reliant

[tall torrent]

(They’re gear reliant)

[tame lodge]

Dodge like crazy

[rose ingot]

I’m not very good at dodging, I’ll practice that

[tall torrent]

Grenades inherit perks from your in-hand weapon and some blessings

Pinning fire (Boltgun, Autopistol) works for frags

[hybrid token]

thats not what reliant means

[tall torrent]

Uncanny works for frags

[tame lodge]

Even when you hit the limit, it gets sluggish and mess with your flow

[hybrid token]

everything inherits power from power blessings

[tall torrent]

Not all

[tame lodge]

Then you stop dodging for a couple seconds and restart

[somber axle]

A good way to practice is to dodge every 2-3 swings. You will begin to feel how many dodges you have and when you run out of dodges. This will encourage you to weave in pushes to help get your dodges back. Over time you'll begin to feel when you should dodge vs when you should push. Sound help a bunch since there's a certain audio queue that triggers whenever a melee attack from a standard enemy is about to hit you

[tall torrent]

Dodge reset time is 0.85s

Also if you’re playing with mouse & keyboard, highly recommend u bind dodge & jump to separate keys

You won’t jump all that much in this game but you will always be dodging

[midnight totem]

At the very minimal, you need to be able to handle a horde of zombies and bruisers at a given difficulty level without dying

That's the barebones basics

As long as you can do that, you can do the difficulty

[wanton dawn]

There is a mod to avoid jump dodge. You might still jump but that would be because you try to front dodge

I dont wanna change keybind

[tame lodge]

Reaction time check, my beloved

[somber axle]

Dodge distance is just something you will learn over time too. A lot of weapons like power sword have terrible dodge distance. But you'll still be able to safely shove a poxburster and dodge backward to avoid the blast

It is a magical feeling once you know your dodges, blocks and pushes well enough to safely kite a monstrosity under pressure with little to no damage taken

[tall torrent]

Oh cool, never knew that

[final stag]

So ong. Then tour teammates do nothing

Your*

[tame lodge]

They are probably fighting the horde

[final stag]

I had a team that all died besides the psyker and we didn't have enough combined dps to kill the CS so I went to relocate and grab the dead homies. She stays to 1v1 and dies then says why did I leave.

My guy we didn't have enough damage between the two of us to kill a CS.

If it was a plogryn or beast sure but a CS is annoying to face smh

[tame lodge]

He probably tunnel visioned and didn't see you reallocating

[tall torrent]

Psyker boss dmg is just not great

Unless gun psyker

[tame lodge]

Sometimes my surge staff does damage, sometimes it's BB

[final stag]

It was a bubble smite psyker

[tame lodge]

Weird

[tall torrent]

Yea that’s about as much boss dmg as a shovel veteran lol

[final stag]

They weren't doing shit against that boss so I had to move simply because the dps wasn't gonna be enough

Sometimes you just gotta know the strength of your team and I knew the psyker wasn't gonna be a help against a boss bfnfbd but hey at least she served the god emperor as a meat shield for a loyal vet.

[somber axle]

Sometimes you have to fight a plague ogryn in the middle of a horde. The team is not around and they're not coming to help. It doesn't matter what they're doing. Kill the horde. Kill the plague ogryn. It'll feel cooler doing it solo

[final stag]

It wasn't a plogryn
I can 1v1 a plogryn confidently

It was CS which is arguably the hardest monstrosity to 1v1 due to quick combos and a grab

I have a clip of me basically 1v1ing a plogryn before the third veteran skill tree rework. They are not that hard fhjdnf

[somber axle]

Chaos spawn's attack moveset is very dangerous yeah. Still the hardest monstrosity to fight 1v1 even without horde pressure and the occasional special or elite sneaking in

Plague Ogryn's attacks are very slow and telegraphed. Easiest monstrosity to fight for sure. Burgle is annoying because the weak point is behind it so it's tricky to solo

[final stag]

Beast is in the middle simply because it's the slowest and easiest to kite but still a meat tank

[somber axle]

Yeah

[tame lodge]

Not to mention the eating part

[final stag]

CS has speed, mighty combos, a grab that heals them, hard hitting. It's the worst.

[umbral scaffold]

beast heals by eating poxwalkers

its honestly worse

[final stag]

CS heals by eating you

[somber axle]

Burgle is just dangerous for leaving a snail trail across exits and taking so long to kill solo you will definitely have to fight more specials, elites and hordes before you take it out vs others

Easy to keep controlled but it makes it harder to deal with everything else coming at you too

[tame lodge]

Beast is the only boss that is threatening towards ogryns

[final stag]

That's in a bad case scenario I'm talking 1v1 jfjdn

[somber axle]

Can safely kite a Plague Ogryn and kill specials and elites, mop up a horde and still kill the Plague Ogryn safely

[final stag]

CS is just a pain
You can kite it sure but focusing on anything else will be near impossible without being cracked at the game.

[somber axle]

Depends on your build but ogryn is too easy to predict and still slow between charges. Using the environment especially railings or church pews to trick it into running circles gives breathing room to quickly put a shot or stab into a pox hound or trapper sneaking up on you

But also depends on the environment and map awareness

[final stag]

I still rather face a beast than a CS by myself. Hate those things fhjdjd

[somber axle]

Agreed

Chaos spawn are the only things still scary

[midnight totem]

You guys ever see the tox ogryn boss?

[final stag]

Plogryn?

[midnight totem]

Plague ogryn

[final stag]

Easiest boss to destroy

[midnight totem]

No. Tox ogryn

[final stag]

Homies a chump ong ong

[midnight totem]

It's in the files

[umbral scaffold]

still have to figure out where the foooking weak spots are on those things