veteran-class

[umbral scaffold]

laspistol build....

[wanton dawn]

Idk about skipping the elite dmg

Also skipping desperado

[umbral scaffold]

economy for onslaught, otherwise maulers are going to rape you

other elites are not so 'elites'

[wanton dawn]

I would not know i play ps

[umbral scaffold]

ps?

[wanton dawn]

Powersword

[umbral scaffold]

ahh ok but onslaught is for the pistol

speking of which...what's about ragers? they are so freaking hard to headshot (well not that hard but noticeably harder than other mobs), it's cuz they are waving?

[serene bough]

I'd definitely take desperado over onslaught, its not that good of a perk

Ragers its better to shoot, you may be able to handle one or two at a time but more than that and melee is not recommended

[hoary horizon]

Agree rager dangerous even for Ogryn. Hard to stagger

[wanton dawn]

I can handle dozens of ragers in melee

Except the blessed ones. They are scary

[hoary horizon]

Ulgo could too. But if mix in horde with mauler and crusher. Ulgo pull grenade

[sinful palm]

The atomic bomb

[umbral scaffold]

onslaught works on your ranged as well desperado don't; rager ar ez to chainsword, ez to shoot cuz they run in a straight line, idk what's going with the tighter headshoot box on them

[serene bough]

taking elite damage is still probably overall better

laspistol has decent flak damage and i dont know how much onslaught is affecting damage against things like maulers or ragers

[umbral scaffold]

idk, still have to test it in the meatgrinder LOL, with columnus is good

[serene bough]

columnus makes sense bc of how rapidly it fires, laspistol fires fast but a lot of its damage profile comes more from its crits

elite damage is probably overall more consistent of a damage buff, but im partial towards desperado because its a very useful melee buff

[raw steppe]

colum also has a adm profile

that works well with rending

[umbral scaffold]

fire fast when u get the buff from WS

[serene bough]

i'd definitely bring it to the meatgrinder and test

it would definitely be beneficial to bring elite damage though if you can move some points around

[umbral scaffold]

it's faster than MK IV

[hoary horizon]

Columbus MK 5 favorite autogun

[serene bough]

im talking in terms of damage moreso than rate of fire being faster, im not sure whether or not onslaught or elite damage is better (probably would be better to take both though)

[umbral scaffold]

ammo saving is important too

[hoary horizon]

More bullet sent down range mean more heretic dead

[serene bough]

if i were you i'd swap from Close and Kill to Fire Team just to get more points

i know you're goin for agile engagement but there's some good talents youre missing down there

[umbral scaffold]

nahh main point of the build is the 25% damage bonus from weapon swap

that's why i used that aura

[serene bough]

if it works then there's no problem, I just really wanna see elite damage ticked lols

i almost always include elite damage if i can

[hoary horizon]

Leave elite to ogryn. Smash them all!

[serene bough]

ill shoot the ones you cant smash far away big man

[umbral scaffold]

ogryn need to smash many little ones...leave elites to boss

[hoary horizon]

Ulgo slap monster of platform. Stagger them down! But if horde the agree

Ogryn for hordes. Bot always elite

Huh... Ulgo realise you not like bad ogryns... not ogryn in normal

[umbral scaffold]

which happen to be 95% of ogryns randoms but ok

[hoary horizon]

Bah randoms not always bestest but try get bestest

[neat stratus]

I genuinely dont understand how BF1 didnt die within a year of release, and it somehow gets praise

Its arguably the worst AAA between 2015 and 2017

[umbral scaffold]

you clearly never played COD🤣

...or valorant

....or D3

🤣

[sinful palm]

Battlefield 1 my man?

[neat stratus]

I have, I think BF1 is worse

Its pretty, but other than that its just lipstick on a rotting pig

[umbral scaffold]

only pvp worth the time rn on pc is CS2 imo

[sinful palm]

Bf is the best one so far out there . Hackers make it pain to play but the graphics and everything is best in class for a run and gun type of game

And planes make it kinda ugly but other than that it's a masterpiece

[hollow ibex]

Dafuq? I’ve seen BF1 praised as the best of the modern BF titles

[neat stratus]

BF1 may be the arguable best WW game to come out in the 2010s (I think enlisted is miles better personally)

[neat stratus]

Best Battlefield of the modern titles sure, but every BF is pretty bad

[umbral scaffold]

there's one far better less marketed by big companies....

[neat stratus]

Bad Company and Bad Company 2 were the last ones worth playing imo

[neat stratus]

Then that would make 2 games better than BF1

[sinful palm]

All i can say is that bf1 above cod and BF V

[neat stratus]

Its a pretty game, but take into account how horrible their mechanics are

Its on par with CoD, or worse in certain ways; better in some

[hollow ibex]

Enlisted was so trash. I maxed out the game back in the day and never looked back

[hollow ibex]

Yeah not a high bar lol

[neat stratus]

Thats exactly what Im saying

[umbral scaffold]

Hell Get Loose, mind i never played but i was looking at it

[neat stratus]

How do you make a game so bad that mid-bad games are considered good by comparison

Hell Let Loose is also good

[umbral scaffold]

yeah 'let' lol my bad

[neat stratus]

I would almost say Call of Duty Vanguard is about as good as BFV

[umbral scaffold]

also Eternal Crusade if u are into 40k games

[hollow ibex]

I remember shamelessly paying to win in enlisted. Was fun for a while at least

[sinful palm]

Well not everybody have the same tastes but imo BF1 is a great game i can even say that is still the best out there for that kind of run and shoot

[neat stratus]

BF1 isnt so different, considering SMG08

[tiny summit]

Isn't vanguard the one with the even shittier zombies and Black Ops character and laser weapon dlc?

[neat stratus]

And thats fair, I just believe it to be one of the worst series out there, and BF1 doesnt stick out as special to me

I've played it for about 500 hours and maybe enjoyed the couple where I first got the Peacekeeper

[hollow ibex]

I only got into BF1 near end of life so can’t comment on that. Enlisted p2w was pretty blatant though

[neat stratus]

SMG08 is still the most op weapon in the game by far

[hollow ibex]

You could buy units that were straight up better than those unlocked for free

[neat stratus]

81 round magazine, almost no chance of overheating, it kills faster than most weapons, its more accurate than most weapons, shoots faster than most, and it reloads about as fast as most, if not faster

[sinful palm]

Yeah i remember that one

[neat stratus]

Its better than pretty much any assault weapon other than the Model 10-A in every way, and its less situational than the 10-A

[sinful palm]

Never a fan of that thing

I liked chauchat the most or whatever the name of that thing was

[neat stratus]

The closest weapons to it in terms of being op are also dlc weapons

[sinful palm]

20 round mag big damage

Looking cool also

[neat stratus]

Nowadays you get the dlc, except shortcuts when you buy the game

[hollow ibex]

That’s prob why I didn’t notice

[neat stratus]

But before it really was just a blatant "pay me money to get a weapon that nobody can beat"

[sinful palm]

Yeah its a shame but still great game in my eyes

[neat stratus]

The SMG08 is so overpowered that its banned in about half of the community servers, and a major problem in the ones that dont

[hollow ibex]

I enjoyed BF1 besides the maps

[sinful palm]

The screams and everything absolute amazing

[neat stratus]

The gameplay is horribly designed

[sinful palm]

No hud

For me the hakers made me let it go

Full of them like in every shooter game that's out there

[neat stratus]

Sweetspots on snipers, half the maps have no cover while others you just play by throwing as many grenades as you possibly can so nobody can go anywhere, no anticheat, no risk of being banned for it, etc

Ultimately, the maps weren't designed with the weapons in mind, nor the movement

In fact, besides using smgs and shotguns, almost nobody benefits from moving

[sinful palm]

The planes was a pain in the ass i remember

Hated them

[neat stratus]

They still are, they just fly straight at you and kill everyone at the point

[sinful palm]

Yeah

[neat stratus]

The few maps that have AA guns make them useless, but they're still problems in those that dont

Tanks are also a huge problem, requiring a lot of the team to focus on them (which won't happen in a battlefield game), meaning they get tons of free kills and can easily push the entire game to a team's favor

Speaking of pushing the entire game to one team's favor, you almost never have a close match

Steamroll after steamroll, almost no chance of a comeback from the other side

[sinful palm]

I had lots of them idk nowadays though

[neat stratus]

Its a pretty game but its possibly the worst designed of any BF that came before it

Since it succeeded so much, however, they're probably trying to capitalize off of that broken formula

[sinful palm]

Well i enjoyed it the most from all the games that are avaible right now

I like ww1 ww2 type of stuff so maybe thats why idk

[neat stratus]

I do too, I just hate how DICE did it every single time they've done it

[sinful palm]

But Bf1 has a special place in my heart

[clever flicker]

can the shotgun be used for the one in the chamber penance?

[neat stratus]

They cannot make good games anymore, just like Bungie

[clever flicker]

it seems the easiest to do it with if it works

[neat stratus]

I would believe so

[clever flicker]

i think the issue is WW1 is a bit harder to pull off for a game like that. If your gonna do WW1 you have to do it right

BF1 felt and played good

[neat stratus]

And dice doesn't do much right

[clever flicker]

but it felt arcadey for the setting at times

It would always pull me out of the WW1 experience when a german would kill me with a tommy gun prototype

or the drum mag hungrell

most people ran automatic guns in the game

in a war where most weapons were bolt action

[neat stratus]

Speaking of automatic guns in bf1, theyre absurdly op

[clever flicker]

exactly

[sinful palm]

What are your thoughs about the martini henry sniper rifle 😂😂

[neat stratus]

For a game where you can't move fast at all, you're pretty much dead the moment someone carrying one sees you

[neat stratus]

Fun gun, especially when you're not the one being one shot by Cleet Toeshooter

[sinful palm]

😂😂😂😂

[clever flicker]

some of the most fun I ever had was a custom server with hightened lethality and I think limited arsenal

[sinful palm]

Hated when that happened but such satisfying 1 shoting everything

[clever flicker]

made the bolt actions actually feel realistic

like dont get me wrong, I was playing the game at the time when I was in my prime with video games

[sinful palm]

And the sounds when you HS somebody pure joy

[clever flicker]

like late middle school, ealry high school

so I was consistently headshotting people with the bolt action with irons

so it was a lot of fun

[neat stratus]

Especially when there aren't pocket Mg42s

(Also known as the stupidly designed smgs)

[sinful palm]

Oh i remember the days when you prone with the mg42 and they ddnt saw you

So you just blast them ass 😂😂

[clever flicker]

but there would still be times when the entire enemy team just ran the same OP automatic weapon that didn't fit the side's arsenal historically

BFV honestly has an even worse issue with it

[sinful palm]

Bf 5 is traaaaash

[clever flicker]

its so stupid to die to a British soldier with a fucking Japansese smg

[clever flicker]

there were plenty of good apsects but a lot of bad

like it was so stupid that when they actually designed the planes in depth they didnt add the dogfight gamemode from BF1

so stupid

also the hero skins they added in also was really stupid

why tf is there a kriegsmarine captain to my left in the middle of the fucking alps?

why are there 12 of them?

[sinful palm]

I remember on bf1 i was a support main and crossbow enjoyer +gas grenade

On a narrow space

I did wonders with thay combo

[clever flicker]

i played medic and actually did what medic was supposed to do

[sinful palm]

Good ol' times man

[clever flicker]

the number of people that played medic just for the weapons and never revived was so ridiculous

BF1 and BFV battles were largely determined by "does the team have medics actually reviving people?"

[sinful palm]

And dropping ammo stashes to everybody

Running in the trenches for the ones without ammo

[clever flicker]

if your team didnt have medics while the other team did it was a guaranteed washout

[sinful palm]

While the enemy was trying to shoot my ass

[clever flicker]

exactly

THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT WOULD SKIP REVIVE AFTER I RAN THROUGH A HAIL OF BULLETS IN NO MANS LAND JUST TO GET THEM PISSED ME OFF SO MUCH

[sinful palm]

Medic was not my type

Support and sniper

The only classes i maxed out

And little assault one

[clever flicker]

Assault and medic I maxed

support I might've

sniper I started playing more in my latter time with the game

[neat stratus]

Not even that, it's more determined by how many people there are using the op medic weapons

[clever flicker]

I used the sebastler cuz it slapped and I had a solid trigger finger

[neat stratus]

Fastest kills in the game from damn near any range

[clever flicker]

honestly

[neat stratus]

Only beat by smgs and one shots

[clever flicker]

it felt broken to play as med at times lmfao

id top frag with med so many times while also having the most rezzes

[deft delta]

Apologies for for the random question, but just got back into playing darktide and playing mainly on my vet. Any suggestions on weapons with the newest update?

[clever flicker]

But i think they overcompensated medic nerf in BFV cuz his arsenal was so fucking slim

[clever flicker]

best weapon is the one you have the most fun with

[deft delta]

Lol fair response.

[clever flicker]

but if you wanna get technical, las pistol slaps

but there are several good options depending on your playstyle/build

[deft delta]

Fair enough, thank you.

[clever flicker]

good news is you can play with even non-meta weapons and still do really well if you have the skill and game sense to back it

[neat stratus]

I like the Lucius I and II personally, bayonets go hard

literally

[clever flicker]

i noticed they one tap most chaff, even flaked chaff lmao

[deft delta]

Since I use to play too much I have a lot of resources and currency built up, so just been randomly buying and playing the chance game.

[clever flicker]

and you can spam it at no detriment lmao

[deft delta]

Just got a really good recon laz rifle a couple days ago I've been rocking

[winter grove]

Any weapon that you find fun to use

But if you wanna know

There's OP trio

[sinful palm]

I'm an agripina mk8 enjoyer

On vet

and col. Mk 5

[trail crater]

what is actually the best mg for vet ?

[sinful palm]

But more mk8 enjoyer

[wanton dawn]

I am starting to like exec stance plasma

Gives me stupid damage numbers on my scoreboard

[tame lodge]

If it wasn't for the fact that you can hold the charge on the hellbore, you could slap onslaught blessing and make it fully automatic

ideally on the mk2

[sinful palm]

I tried the plasma guns witch seems pretty meta but man i can't stand them

I hate them

[winter grove]

MG Ia

[sinful palm]

Gib me my ak 47( agri. Mk8) of 400th cent. And i'm gonna kill some heretics

[wanton dawn]

I play mostly plasma and bolter nowadays. A bit of agri brauto too

[tame lodge]

I hit some nasty flicks the plasma, unintentionally

[winter grove]

Erm, it's 400th century actually 🤓

[wanton dawn]

I guess I am an heavy weapon enjoyers

[sinful palm]

Yes my bad

[neat stratus]

So for whatever reason I have a horrible framerate

[winter grove]

I use bolter, MG Ia and mk10 laspistol

Pretty nice to me

Thinking of making a stealth vet, any weapon ideas?

[sinful palm]

Oh hell nah stealth 😂😂😂

[winter grove]

For melee of course

[wanton dawn]

Am not touching stealth

[sinful palm]

Voc all day and only in death does duty ends all the way baby

[wanton dawn]

I like exec stance thjough rn

[tame lodge]

Knife

Or even better, claw

[winter grove]

Hm

[trail crater]

why are lasguns called MG in this game ? i ment mashineguns xD

[winter grove]

Maybe I should give claws a chance

What's the one with consistent moveset again?

[tiny summit]

Helbores are technically automatic because they go onto the next charge when it times out

[wanton dawn]

Hellbore are technically a melee weapon

[tiny summit]

It's a spear that shoots sometimes

[tame lodge]

It does after they patched

[neat stratus]

Its a gunspear

[clever flicker]

Okay serious question, I need to know. A) does the shotgun count for one in the chamber? B) Do i need to fully load it or do I only have to load one shell and get a kill for it to count towards the pennance?

Cuz I don't want to run an entire malice mission only for it to not count

[trail crater]

what is actually the best braced autogun for vet ?

[junior needle]

Agri is generally considered the best

[raw steppe]

i like colum

cuz you run faster

[junior needle]

Graia (when braced) has only slightly less dps

I'll test the columnus right now

[wanton dawn]

I like agri cuz cleave

[junior needle]

That's also a factor

[trail crater]

mk I or mk IX ?

[junior needle]

agri brauto has about 1580~ dps to maniacs baseline

Columnus brauto has about 1330

Graia brauto braced has about 50~ less dps than the agri brauto across armor types

[tame lodge]

It does, you need to kill with the last bullet before reloading

[junior needle]

Yeah the colunmus brauto actually just has the lowest dps by a good margin

Oh wow its ammo efficiency is also the worst too

[hollow ibex]

No wonder if feels awful to use

And the bloom recovery time on braced for vet feels terrible

So I prefer getting more done with fewer shots

Agri life

[tiny summit]

The shooting class gets 2 nodes for sway and they suck ass in comparison to the yelling fanatic in the fray who gets to have laser pointer accuracy

[junior needle]

What zealot talent lets you do that?

[tiny summit]

Brauto is a laser pointer

[gloomy pollen]

hough

[hollow ibex]

Yeah this amazing for braced

[tall torrent]

does this look good

or how should I change it

[umbral granite]

Brunt... sold this to my zealot

[hollow ibex]

Maybe make the lines red green blue, blue and purple can kinda blend…

[wanton dawn]

different shape for dot. More contrasted color

[tall torrent]

word doesn't allow custom colors besides the presets

[tall torrent]

ur ok with the 5 metrics here?

[hollow ibex]

Good format imo

[wanton dawn]

I am only judging the graph

I am too tired otherwise

[tall torrent]

it can get really nuanced but I feel if a radar graph has >6 edges it just looks bad

like, I could separate horde into pox vs bruiser

[hollow ibex]

Yah

[hollow ibex]

Prob not needed for the audience tbh

[tame lodge]

Me with a Lawbringer and special shot ready

[wanton dawn]

Also am a professional Excel user and this is an Excel graph

[tiny summit]

If zealots could have plasma it would probably make its crosshair a dot

[gloomy pollen]

point and click adventure

[tall torrent]

would u prefer if the radars were filled

[wanton dawn]

IDK. I hate commenting graphical stuff, ppl are always opiniated on thing they don't know how to do

So I end up doing it but it is not right and then i get mad

Just make sure that the contrast is high

[clever flicker]

But when I fully empty it do I have to do a full reload or can I just load one shell?

[tame lodge]

Can load one shell

It has to be a kill with the last bullet, so the amount you load doesn't matter

[tall torrent]

I give up on radar chart

[tame lodge]

It's that shotguns are easier for this penance

[tall torrent]

at least not 3 weapons in 1

I think I could try to maybe squeeze 1 in for each weapon

in their own sections

[hollow ibex]

I think it’s the chart is a good idea

[tiny summit]

I think radar chart is a neat idea...but for how the devil claws are weighted...it's kinda "I see...so what's the difference?"

[tall torrent]

yea I need to make them separatedly for the 3 variants

[tall torrent]

well it's very heavily weighted against DC1 and that's how real gameplay turns out to be as well

[hollow ibex]

Honestly I think the three in one could help new players understand how the variants differ

[tall torrent]

it's very hard to do contrast

[hollow ibex]

RGB doesn’t work? 🤔

[tall torrent]

When 3 lines are so close to each other that they overlap

It’s hard to have real visible contrast

Even between colors that normally would contrast a lot

[hollow ibex]

Fair enough

Could just describe the difference ig

[tall torrent]

Also the radar chart is scaled off of 50 units

So 25 rating would be “avg performance”

[wanton dawn]

You can change the scale but I get it.

Doing good graph is difficult

[tall torrent]

I’ll try to incorporate it into each weapon’s own chart

[winter grove]

Oh that's beautiful

Can't wait for hadron to brick it

[umbral granite]

Sadly, it's on my ZEALOT and not my veteran

[winter grove]

God Emperor gives the best CIAGs to the most devoted followers what can I say

[umbral granite]

as for bricking...

[winter grove]

Gg

It's dead on arrival

[wise fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/truth-is-the-game-was-rigged-from-the-start-fallout-new-vegas-gif-14316695

45% stability?

Bricked before Hadron ever touched it

[tall torrent]

this maybe? @hollow ibex @wanton dawn

[umbral granite]

When i took it into meatgrinder it didnt seem so bad, i've worked with worse

[winter grove]

Say peeps, what should I go for with stealth veteran?

[wise fossil]

Good if it works for you, but I've found stability to be very important on Ciag

[elder fiber]

stability doesn't need to be super high on ciag but I had one with 40%ish while leveling a character recently and it gets pretty crusty at that point

[winter grove]

I think I've got 36% stability MG Ia

[elder fiber]

wdym like talents or weapons

[winter grove]

Talents

I've got an idea for a melee

[junior needle]

Stability can vary in usefulness between gun lines

[winter grove]

I might use laspistol mk2

[junior needle]

Even at 80% stability the infantry lasguns still have the annoying bouncing

[elder fiber]

only run smoke nades if you've got solid anti crusher/elite options, and if you do imo just take demo team, stockpile is overkill for them and you almost def shouldn't be grabbing nade pickups for them lmao

laspistols are def fun

[winter grove]

What about vet shroudfield?

[umbral granite]

after the first half-second of continuous fire (where the retical jumped from lower portion of the torso to head area), it turned into a metaphorical laser...

[wanton dawn]

look cool

[umbral granite]

and stayed a laser for as long as i held the trigger down

[wanton dawn]

now am sleeping

bye

[tall torrent]

Thx for ur feedback

[elder fiber]

if you mean nodes around infiltration then tbh it can work without any at least from my exp, depends on how many points you have to spare

[tall torrent]

I’ll see if I can improve it

[elder fiber]

also if you pick low profile maybe don't be a shit with it and dump a bunch of aggro on teammates lol

[wise fossil]

I think Overwatch is good. They're all pretty good; the main problem is there are four of them and stealth is in a terrible spot on the tree

[junior needle]

The recoil is this game can get pretty goofy

[elder fiber]

yeah overwatch can be v strong if used well

[junior needle]

To note, it does this with the regular irons too

[hollow ibex]

Looks clear to me

[faint beacon]

Fellow Vet mains, Should I even bother getting this or save the currency

[winter grove]

It's actually good what the fuck

[faint beacon]

I have no damn clue

I looked in there, saw that went

I totally could make it better

[winter grove]

You really just gotta switch unarmored dmg to flak and you're set

[faint beacon]

Probably Turn Pinning or Surgical to IV

[winter grove]

True

Not pinning tho

It's really small difference

[faint beacon]

I think its enough Collat to stagger Bulwarks

cause I think that was 60%+

[winter grove]

51%+

[faint beacon]

YIPEE!

[tall torrent]

small improvement ig

[winter grove]

@tall torrent found this stealth vet on gameslantern, think I can tweak it to make it actually good?
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9a58b877-f385-40dd-a4cc-d8198b4a6688/invincible-vet-clutch-master

The name is funny tho

[junior needle]

He could've just taken voc to avoid needing to "clutch" in the first place

[winter grove]

True

[raw steppe]

I did a mael with 2 stealth vets other day

And it was suffering

Melee only so theyd go invis

[tall torrent]

exploit weakness + uncanny strike = ???????????????

my honest reaction

[raw steppe]

And all of a sudden 15 crushers and maulers chasing me

[split sapphire]

Is that in there still?

[winter grove]

I planned to use like

Dclaw 4 and laspistol mk2 with stealth

Sounds like a stupid and sound idea

[faint beacon]

Yeah I said screw it, bought it

[split sapphire]

Lol

[tall torrent]

bad idea

[faint beacon]

Have enough of the currency to spare

[tall torrent]

u don't rly have a way to deal with carapace beyond krak

and relying on krak for carapace is just a bad idea

[winter grove]

Fair nuff

[split sapphire]

I am on the hunt for the Sunder blessing tho, is it just that rare cause i've never seen it

[tall torrent]

Also

He had to go take krak + tinkerer

[winter grove]

I had this thought process of parrying the carapace

[faint beacon]

It's a T4 locked so its bound to be difficult

[tall torrent]

Should have just went movement keystone to save points

[faint beacon]

Im still baffled how I got it

[tall torrent]

It works, I wouldn’t call it great

[raw steppe]

Claw has shitty adm against cara

[tall torrent]

Compared to power sword / Rashad / chainaxe / fold shovel / knife

[raw steppe]

So i wouldnt do that lol

[tall torrent]

You’re just not gonna do nearly as good

[winter grove]

Maybe I could get diff gun for carapace?

[split sapphire]

Just gotta do nothing but bless power swords i guess, and hope i get lucky 1 day, cause the second i get it, i ain't letting it go

[tall torrent]

Relying on gun for carapace is also a bad idea

Always ammo deficit + cannot cleave through carapace

[winter grove]

It might be a dumb idea on making stealth vet with dclaw as melee

[raw steppe]

Just go knife lol

[tall torrent]

You can kill at most 2~3 crushers with ur gun before you’re forced into melee

[hollow ibex]

Yeah looks good. For the graph I wonder if there’s a way to change the graph background lines

From red bad to green good

Idk if that’d work well anyway

But was just thinking about it

[tall torrent]

Blue is ok I think?

If it’s all the same color might not come across as striking

Also I’m gonna be very biased and rate the 2 folding shovel very highly

[winter grove]

Call it a variety sake

[tall torrent]

Folding shovel

[winter grove]

Used it

[tall torrent]

Is probably veteran’s strongest anti-elite melee weapon

[winter grove]

Good Mk7 is tedious to get I heard

[tall torrent]

(if you take frags)

[tall torrent]

Not as hard as Rashad

U only need 3/4 right, and 2nd perk can be whatever (it’s all QoL at that point)

[torpid grotto]

Inshallah fatshark will nerf plasma rifle

[tall torrent]

Rashad is 3/4 right and you have to get 4th in 1 of 3 slots

[winter grove]

I see

So what should I do w/ talent tree?

I know it's far from perfect or good

Just kinda took it as a base

[tall torrent]

1 point left u can spend on whatever
This is assuming you’re playing knife + zarona

[winter grove]

I see, thank you

[tiny summit]

Drop the 2 point tax for stockpile. In demo team we trust. Then that gives another point and can get precision strikes

[dawn garnet]

LETS FUCKING GOOO

[final stag]

I love the knife

Knife keeps me safe

[neat stratus]

Sweet Globe > All other grapes

[tall torrent]

@hollow ibex finally got this format working

[dawn garnet]

yo this is a great chart

[tiny summit]

Think different colors for different marks is still a good choice

[winter grove]

This looks fire

[tall torrent]

hmmm can't rly do that easily

[hollow ibex]

Looks good!

[umbral scaffold]

don't know why but i like this shit

[woeful ibex]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLgyQ1v5h8Y

New Enemies

I mean we got cut enemies within the game

Tox Bomber and Ogryn with Tox Flamer

[umbral scaffold]

mkIV or Mk xiii on chainsword?

[tall torrent]

Mk4

[umbral scaffold]

light attacks spam?

[tall torrent]

no
H1 > H2 > L3 > H0

[winter grove]

Mk4

[final stag]

Mxiii has weird attack patterns

[umbral scaffold]

best for holding hordes what would be? shovel?

[tall torrent]

why hold horde when u can kill

[winter grove]

I heard standard shovel is best shovel for hordes, but mk7 shovel is a versatile one for everything

[umbral scaffold]

WS: melee for dregs/poxwalkers, ranged for elites, kraks for ogryns

[winter grove]

Why not have melee for everything

Like mk7 folding

[umbral scaffold]

only shovel is monitorum sappel

[tall torrent]

that really doesn't work out the way u want for HiSTG

[final stag]

The shovel just feels good but I know the Powersword is best at everything for the veteran.

[tall torrent]

and no pls don't actually bank ur entire anti-ogryn power on kraks

[tall torrent]

also untrue

shovel is prob the strongest anti-elite option for veteran

[umbral scaffold]

HiSTG?

[tall torrent]

hi intensity shock troop

[final stag]

Yeah but powersword can also deal with elites

Trust me I'm a shovel sympathizer but I know the PS is overall the better weapon besides defense and anti elite

[tall torrent]

PS is not best at everything but it's second best in a lot of things

which is not "best"

[winter grove]

Also PS heavily relies on special attack

And PC

[final stag]

Oh yeah it hits like a wet noodle without it

It feels like I'm hitting enemies with a plastic sword rather than a power sword

[umbral scaffold]

plus Kharn doesn't use a power sword

cuz he knows is cringe

[final stag]

I either use the shovel or knife most commonly

Only on my squad leader build I use a PS because it feels like a squad leader-ish weapon

[umbral scaffold]

so about shovel is best put into a WS or marksman's build?

[final stag]

Marksman I prefer

Marksman allows you to kill everything besides chaff so being able to bully chaff with a shovel is nice plus the little switharoo to pickaxe mode allows some fights with elites.

[tall torrent]

shovel best with support build

[winter grove]

Anything to say about the standard shovel?

[final stag]

It's a shovel

[umbral scaffold]

VoC + FT

?

[final stag]

The special attack can stagger crushers and maulers from their overheads

[tall torrent]

yea

[tall torrent]

just use Mk7

[final stag]

The standard shovel anyways. And it's flurry attack with uncanny strike can also help with fighting maulers and crushers somewhat but it struggles against them.

[winter grove]

Got it

[tall torrent]

I think Mk7 is the best shovel by far

[winter grove]

Will swap standard shovel

[final stag]

Mk7 is the best shovel

[tall torrent]

Mk3 has better fold heavy but Mk7 everything else is better

I'm giving both fold shovels 50/50 rating on anti-armor

can't rly name any other veteran melee that is as cracked at killing armor

[winter grove]

I've been using standard shovel along with bolter on a build

[winter grove]

Rashad?

[tall torrent]

only thing close is maybe chainaxe which I'll rate at like 48/50 cuz u need to build stacks

[tall torrent]

rashad takes 3 overheads at best, shovel 1 taps

[winter grove]

That's

Good

[tall torrent]

shovel also has uncanny which massively increases ur frags' bleed dmg against armor

nothing really competes with it

[winter grove]

I'll actually get a good mk7 for a bolter build

[tall torrent]

based

[final stag]

Love the shovel sm
Everyone with their fancy powersword (I've seen so many Crack under pressure) while I stand true with my shovel

[trim steppe]

YOOOOOO. Personal goals but this is 1 of only 2 blessings I'm missing in the game. My collection is nearly complete. Thank you Melk

[final stag]

I remember in beta I refused to use the powersword and only used the standard shovel

[dawn garnet]

pick shovels are so good tho

[winter grove]

Say, what should be perks/blessings for mk2 laspistol?

[final stag]

Happy times with my shobel

[dawn garnet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1217455953155194961/f6a89e6cfe8ab3fa06a75526f879decb.jpg
my beloved

[trim steppe]

I have yet to give a test drive to the one you helped me build. I'll have to do that this weekend

[junior needle]

It's very aesthetically pleasing but unfortunately undertuned currently. It has the effect of looking more impactful than it is.

[trim steppe]

I'm excited to try it out and experience that nade synergy

[midnight totem]

the standard shovel

=

https://tenor.com/view/b99-terry-jeffords-its-bonk-city-in-here-bonk-city-bonk-gif-16775913083356811422

its actually very strong

[final stag]

I love the force that is put into the shovel

The veteran putting their all into that swing

[potent iris]

well you gotta really dig into it

[midnight totem]

its actually very strong

especially with uncanny strike

I'd say, its better then the knife at horde clear

but the knife is much better versus elites with a higher skill ceiling

[final stag]

It's just overshadowed by its newer variations

But it is a really good weapon to have
I feel knife works best with WS while shovel is good broadly as a versatile weapon

[umbral scaffold]

not bad on std damnation anyway....at least is fun

[vivid kernel]

sexual transmitted disease

[final stag]

Virtually no recoil is the best thing about it
Just bRrRrRR5

[tall torrent]

shovel

[late hatch]

children are the worst std

[junior needle]

Standard damnation is pretty boring if you're a competent player currently

The issue it has is ammo efficiency and comparative dps. While you can get it to acceptable levels from the tree, it doesn't hold up against other guns under duress.

[midnight totem]

you know how to make standard damnation fun?

make sure your teammates don't know how to block or dodge

[junior needle]

My favorites are the ones that take power sword and then get downed by poxwalkers while charging

Watching bad players play is more amusing than the actual game atm

[final stag]

Seen too many meta chasers use the plasma/revolver and powersword only to get dog walked

[tame lodge]

I had two different vet just swinging power sword, at least charged it

[quartz portal]

Throw on an automatic weapon, throw on a MK7 shovel and go to town on em.

[tame lodge]

But no block, dodge...

[final stag]

My friend who I play with refuses to learn how to block/push attack which leads to the same story of him going down and causing shit to go south fjfjjf

[midnight totem]

you may need a new friend

[final stag]

Sadly I've known him for 6 years

I must endure (I play by myself 90% of the time)

[tame lodge]

Then berate him

[grim widget]

which mark is the preferred chainsword for veteran, the mk xiiig or the mk iv?

[final stag]

I do

[tall torrent]

4

[trim steppe]

I think most people prefer the mk IV

[final stag]

4 has better attack pattern

[vivid kernel]

I'm blessed to be a competent player and still have fun in lower diffs ♡

[cosmic sundial]

breh

[vivid kernel]

Why'd you write niche for all the shovels

[final stag]

A true WS buff layout

[rigid pilot]

What are those filters

[cosmic sundial]

Wdym

[cosmic sundial]

Huh?

[junior needle]

Don't know how you manage it, even hi intensity has turned into a relaxing resource farm session

[rigid pilot]

Oh it's a camera photo

[final stag]

That's weapon specialist a stealth ability buffs along with completive spirit by the looks

[tall torrent]

good catch, forgot to change that when I was swapping formats

thx

[final stag]

Just raw damage for 5 seconds hfndb

[tall torrent]

SI niche
Mk3 good
Mk7 great

[rigid pilot]

They should add the ability to dodge out of stuck shovel like chainsword

[vivid kernel]

I just enjoy the gameplay regardless

[rigid pilot]

DT is a nice comfort game you can autopilot after you reach a certain level

[final stag]

Truth

I just love to feeling of being badass

[junior needle]

[normal sparrow]

Not perfect but you can quickswap if your folded strike kills

[final stag]

Just hope and pray

[rigid pilot]

Oh that's an idea

[normal sparrow]

Vet shovel can also be folded anytime
Harder to pull on psyk tho, lag compensation?

[uncut ore]

eh, not bad

[hybrid prawn]

now gamble

[trim steppe]

thats pretty solid, def worthy of some plasteel

[tiny summit]

GAMBLE GAMBLE GAMBLE

[uncut ore]

CMON HADRON VET NEEDS A NEW PAIR OF SHOOES

[trim steppe]

I love brick or drip

[tiny summit]

Hadron needs new shoes for her only fans

[tiny summit]

I'm zooted right now. Is this good or bad?

[hybrid prawn]

kinda good

[uncut ore]

seems pretty good

[hybrid prawn]

its not bad bad

[tiny summit]

Nice nice

[uncut ore]

imma swap out cavalcade for pin

[trim steppe]

it's a 3.5/4 lol. Reload speeds not a bad perk but its not a godroll

[uncut ore]

I don't have a IV surgical

[hybrid prawn]

Reload to flak or maniac or carapace and get pinning

Surgical 3 is fine

[trim steppe]

unarmored might help on dreg gunners i cant remember

[hybrid prawn]

It helps

Can probably 2-3 shot headshot crusher if you crit

[tiny summit]

Reload speed is such a shit perk at 10% no matter what

[trim steppe]

I dig it, nice piece man

[tiny summit]

Like who is ever gonna want 10% of anything over 25% dmg

[uncut ore]

seems like a good roll but I still need something to top this 😮‍💨

[trim steppe]

True. I'd still rather be stuck with it than like weakspot damage or something.

[uncut ore]

noice

[hybrid prawn]

its on psyker tho

[uncut ore]

gun psyker

[hybrid prawn]

its good

[final stag]

Fucking love gunpsyker

Who needs stupid magic when I can mag dump you

[hybrid prawn]

ADHD gunpsyker

throw shard in 2s , stab someone next and spray wildy

[final stag]

Don't even ads just spray

[tiny summit]

Also true. Can be happy with reload when there's even shitter perks

[final stag]

Psykers don't have braced autoguns due to the fear of them being too powerful with them

[cosmic sundial]

Bro’s selling a decent weapon

[hybrid prawn]

On vet? Nah

[white minnow]

the weight of braced autoguns would shatter our arms

the same reason why we don't have heavy swords

the psyker in the trailer who had them had to be hospitalized afterwards for severe muscle and bone damage to their arms

[tiny summit]

Or shotguns. The bastards

Give me the kickback! I can handle it

[final stag]

My psyker is 100 lbs soaking wet on a good day

[tiny summit]

Zealots should be able to handle kickback with

[final stag]

Jesus christ

The kickback into the sniper of doom

[tiny summit]

We need it

Concentrated doom

Crafting rework and recon revival next patch!

[hybrid prawn]

is this even useful?

[white minnow]

ye

[tiny summit]

Very

[white minnow]

mostly the spread reduction

[hybrid prawn]

[tiny summit]

Turn brautos into laser pointers

[white minnow]

hipfiring bolters accurately

and not needing to ADS and thus not getting fucked by suppression on some weapons

[tiny summit]

For 3 whole secs you are quake gamin

[hybrid prawn]

I mostly use revolver because i got unique random pool

sometimes teammate bring this kind of stuff

[sleek garden]

honestly if i got reload perk id keep it on the bolter because it reloads so slow

when i use it i make a whole loadout dedicated to making it reload faster

[final stag]

3 whole seconds is a long time and if you land multiple successful dodges?
Become the doom slayer

[hybrid prawn]

The 2 reload talent already fast enough

[nimble kayak]

It's all Veterans...?

[final stag]

My favorite team comp is 3 veterans all different abilities and an ogryn

A true killteam

Bonus points if clothes somewhat align

[tiny summit]

My smoothest games have been 3 vets + 1 psyker

[frank basin]

I had 4 vets once

[late hatch]

4 psykers is the power team

1 purg, 1 trauma, 1 surge, 1 void

melt anything and everything

[final stag]

4 psykers is also just super boring to play with

[late hatch]

potato tomato

anything gets boring once you play it enough

[vivid kernel]

What is the talent that prints ammo?

I'm trying to find it and I can t

Like, get ammo per elite enemy killed

[late hatch]

survivalist

the aura

[fresh saddle]

Survivalist, left-hand tree

[vivid kernel]

Oh thanks

[clever flicker]

THANK YOU

Could give you a big wet smooch on the lips rn honestly

[safe lynx]

How to use your ammo wisely? I keep running out and ammo is grabbed by others most of the time.

[umbral scaffold]

What gun are you using?

[safe lynx]

one of the assault rifles. I think clomnus.

[agile forge]

Or 3 staves and a gun

[late hatch]

Try to avoid shooting trash mobs, thats what your melee is for. Focus fire on elites and specialists. Maintain coherency. And I dont mean to be rude, but perhaps get better at aiming.

Headshots deal significantly more damage

[agile forge]

With CIAG you do wanna focus clearing shooters too imo

[gaunt delta]

There’s two Columnus Autoguns. One is the Columnus“Braced” Autogun, sometimes abbreviated to “brauto”. The other is the Columnus “Infantry” Autogun. The CIAG is very strongly tuned right now, and the Columnus brauto is not the most favored of that type

[agile forge]

CIAG tends to do better on ammo than most of my other guns

[agile forge]

Also if you aren't using it already, try Survival Aura (the left one)

Should make all of your guns much more sustainable, and make your teams happy too

Honestly I even shoot trash with it and I don't run into ammo problems

(I have to because executioners stance is a fussy bitch)

[tiny summit]

Recon Deadshot Maxing

[agile forge]

Recon lasguns do not exist, they can't hurt me

[tiny summit]

I will post Fire Team Exe MF Recons to psyop the reddit into thinking its based to curse all your games until the next content patch

[late hatch]

no grenade nodes or field imrov make me sad

[tiny summit]

Sir this about Recon. Not nades

[late hatch]

you could drop weap spec and save some points there perhaps

[tiny summit]

Here ya go

[umbral scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/ffs-baby-really-oh-god-just-stop-gif-1639610178022128587

[winter grove]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-40k-psyker-explode-perils-gif-10586129510772702813

Smoke grenades are usable I heard

[umbral scaffold]

yeah for weed simulator 3000

anyway this is the true chad vet base pattern build IMO

[tiny summit]

More like "basic bitch!"

[tiny summit]

Think of them as a no hp psyker shield for ranged fire. Fuck with enemy behavior in the cloud too

[slate kayak]

7 deaths

[tiny summit]

I've seen 20+ images

[umbral scaffold]

lol it's avg, got one with 8 death, guess who saved the entire team thrice?

[slate kayak]

the psyker?

[umbral scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/hysterical-laughter-laughing-gif-25735842

[slate kayak]

my group did not stick together

[agile forge]

Jason

[slate kayak]

everyone branching off for themselves

only towards the end did I see some teamwork

At least zealot did a good job defending people when teammmates were downed

[umbral scaffold]

it's normal

[umbral scaffold]

last time i played i melee better than the zealot with just a shovel

[late hatch]

No pogryn to protect the little uns

[final locust]

mk 1a inf lasgun is pretty good

[balmy flume]

The “true” lore accurate Guard.

“WE HAVE MORE MEN THAN THEY HAVE AMMO”

[slate kayak]

wow new guys just want to speedrun the course

ran right up to 2 poxbursters

I must not have the skills to match up against good people today

skill issue i guess

[balmy flume]

You sure it isn’t them poorly mis-timing a shove?

[slate kayak]

No I saw them run up past it

and then boom

[balmy flume]

lol

[slate kayak]

Gg 4 ragers attack one person and the other 2 abandon him...

Welp they rage quit

[winter grove]

What do y'all think of shotguns?

[slate kayak]

Never used it

[final locust]

i think theyre good, that said i dont use em much

[winter grove]

I wanna try them out

Thinking between agri and kantrael

[gaunt delta]

They’re low on ammo. You gotta pick your shots. But in my Malice-tier experience, they’re serviceable. And shoving that special shell in is just an extra level of satisfaction

I’m reloading this gun MENACINGLY

[wary plume]

Slug shotgun is very good

[gaunt delta]

I treat it like a breech-loading musket with an underbarrel shotgun

[wary plume]

Crazy good at staggering

[winter grove]

Maybe they might be bad at what I want to use them for

Weapon Specialist keystone right

[gaunt delta]

They swap okay, but you really want a revolver for the swap keystone

[winter grove]

Pull out, shoot the heretic right in the shnobel and back to meleeing

[gaunt delta]

Not to say that you can’t make a shotgun work with that keystone

It’ll never automatically reload the special shell, only the buckshot

[winter grove]

So far I've been using mk2 laspistol and it might be not cut out for the job

[winter grove]

I know

Which is why I inclined more into agri shotgun

[gaunt delta]

Nah try the Zarona revolver. It hits like a truck and swaps super quick

[winter grove]

Buckshot into crowd for the keystone and snipe elite/special

[gaunt delta]

And get the keystone upgrade that reloads it while it’s away

[winter grove]

I know zarona works well

It's in the op trio

It's called that for a reason

Kinda want to have variety, if you get what I mean

[gaunt delta]

Your shotgun theory for Weapon Spec sounds like it would work. Try it out and let us know

[winter grove]

Yeah

I'll get agri shotgun for sure

Kantrael might work best with zealot

But I need that slug

[spice wadi]

aggri gets to some nutty breakpoints with MF

none of which I can remember

but I remember the nutty

[white minnow]

you fking squirrel

[winter grove]

Now guess who's that referring to

[low yacht]

Combi weapons when?

[vital garnet]

yeah weapon spec shottys are fine like that. have run them in aurics plenty

pretty funny with manstopper

[spice wadi]

this act of ash arab aggression was not provoked

[winter grove]

Fellas, I need a gameplay tip if y'all don't mind

I basically use Infiltrate to disengage from a horde or helo a teammate if he got downed right?

Maybe not just horde

Any situation where running away would be a better idea

[trim hemlock]

What’s the question, though?

[winter grove]

Am I using infiltrate the right way?

You know

Vet's shroudfield

[trim hemlock]

The best situation for Infiltrate to shine is you know how you’re going to use any of its upgrades (or base effects)

The practical applications are… well, not endless, but helping a teammate is one

Doing objectives is one

[winter grove]

So far I've got the +50% toughness dmg redaction on exiting stealth

[trim hemlock]

Dropping aggro to have more space to clear an important threat from a safe position is yet another one

[trim hemlock]

IMO that’s the worst upgrade for it by a long shot, but who am I to dissuade you from liking it

Sometimes it’s also worth Infiltrating if you don’t have toughness and risk taking a lot of damage - the skill thoroughly replenishes your toughness, for some reason

It is an actual skill that can have “consequences” for your teammates. Try not to screw them over by disappearing at the worst moment when they need your help with something, if you can help it.

[elder fiber]

Oh no a single crusher is doing an overhead at me mash F

[dire olive]

Yeah I would avoid using it as a disengage if possible

That aggro has to go somewhere

Personally I use it more to go forward around a horde and "engage" with back lines of problem enemies with less risk of being punished for it

Eg: there's like 5 gunners/specials and you can't get a good shot on them through whatever's in front of them

[winter grove]

Oh no crusher overhead

Parry

I've been told that using a dclaw would be a bad idea for a stealth vet with weapon spec

But honestly I feel like a god damn tank

Gunners can't ever actually damage me

Ragers just crumble because dclaw parry

Spam maulers at the body with songle target dps

And tbf I heavily rely on kraks for carapace (it's bad)

At least I got 3

[cosmic sundial]

Look at me buffs

[winter grove]

That's a lot

Wait are those two wound curios?

Or perhaps three if that's heresy+

[dreamy lantern]

3 ye looks it

[agile forge]

Oh sick, I am blessed for chainswords apparently

first one I get from brunt on my psyker turns out to be perfect once I take it to hadron

and then third from brunt gave me this:

Just need a bit more plasteel to finish it off with the other perk

[umbral scaffold]

duck & dive with deadshot? make sense?

[tame lodge]

with ghost blessing

[cosmic sundial]

3

[arctic rampart]

but wound curios dont give you more health.. more than 1 is trolling on vet

[winter grove]

Last time I used 3 wound curios is on martyrdom zealot

He gets bonuses out of that at least

[arctic rampart]

yeah my zealot is martyr and same

[tame lodge]

I run extra wounds on my vet, because good leaders always come back to fight and are the last to fall

[agile forge]

Wound curios make you go down more frequently.

[lyric dock]

And if no one brings you up. Those would curios are useless

Better to slap on +Toughness or +Health curios to make going down even harder

[elder fiber]

I like when vets run a wound curio and d/c after not being picked up b/c they died in a horrible position

[lyric dock]

Sorry mate. Not leaving my good position to save you because you stupid yourself into a horde, 5 trappers, 3 dogs, with a Flamer and bomber wombo combo

A Realt vet would get themselves out of that

[agile forge]

I mean I'd still try, a lot of classes have ways to make a revive even in a situation like that free

depends

[lyric dock]

It's context dependent

If things are generally clear. I'll attempt the revive

If there is active horde event or a lot of disablers around. Maybe another time

[tame lodge]

Oh I know, I'm a martyrdom enjoyer

[winter grove]

Another plus of infiltrate

Just imagine the pov of the enemy

You just downed some ogryn in example and suddenly he just gets up zero problem

[midnight totem]

Well it's an ogryn they can't see the vet behind him

[tame lodge]

The amount of times I used a downed Ogryn as cover

Morrow said that dead soldiers can be used as cover, so...

[winter grove]

Deserved, considering amount of times those karkers absorbed my shots

[tame lodge]

Just don't shoot them

[jaunty sphinx]

He's from Armageddon so that tracks

[late hatch]

Just had another run of the map with the final room where you have to put the 3 cryo rods or whatever they are into the slots up on the circular catwalk above. 1 person sprints straight to the button and hits it while 2 of us are healing. Makes the final room so much harder than a quick clean run. Pretty amazing how some people are completely oblivious to strategy and the team.

[muted knot]

I can't believe it

Actual communication

About things they are working on

[spice wadi]

holy moly

[somber axle]

If you're running Grenade regen I also love using Infiltrate to force a "reset". Clear the board when the map spawns a horde, 8 maulers, 8 flak ragers and mixes in some Crushers or something silly like that. Infiltrate then right click underhanded throw to get off 2-3 grenades under your feet. Spread them around a bit. It'll clear the chaff, finish off the wounded elites and help put the others at death's door. Buying space for your team is invaluable and being able to freely drop grenades from stealth while surrounded on a staircase can make sure the team walks out of the fight healthy

[winter grove]

Here's the problem you've probably not accounted for

I use kraks

[somber axle]

I prefer running with threat reduction perk because I can sit next to a team mate on an objective and be totally ignored for another 10 seconds after stealth

[winter grove]

[somber axle]

I can't help you with kraks. If you want to clear the board while running those you'll have to do it the normal way. Stab and shoot until everything is out

[raw steppe]

Kraks are just a noob trap tbh

[atomic zephyr]

i just use kraks if im already running a good horde clear melee and shout

[zealous wyvern]

kraks are not a noob trap

kraks are a noob crutch

and an amazing one

its great to have a tool as a bad player

[elder fiber]

yeah kraks are good but bad vets use them extremely poorly

[winter grove]

Two reasons:
A) I have no other good anti-crusher weapon
B) It's point economical

[elder fiber]

OH NO SINGLE BULWARK right before crusher mob spawns

[atomic zephyr]

that bits true lol

[winter grove]

Who tf uses kraks on anything except crushers and monstrosities

[elder fiber]

they can still be cc around downed mates

[winter grove]

I really don't have problem with that

Considering vet shroudfield

[elder fiber]

yeah but the nade can clear space for mate after they're picked up

[zealous wyvern]

krak are better on bulwarks than on crushers imo

bulwarks are way worse than crushers in heated situations

[winter grove]

They can do it themselves they're not babies and I am not a baby sitter

[zealous wyvern]

you can kill crushers fairly well with other stuff

[winter grove]

Parry into shotgun blasts

Works so far

[elder fiber]

its a single nade and part of the value of infiltration is rez'ing out of absolute horseshit anyways

[zealous wyvern]

with those 2 specific weapons?

sure

[winter grove]

It's what I use on stealth build

[elder fiber]

like hypothetically I don't want to be rez'd while crusher mob is mashing overheads on my body anyways

[winter grove]

Were I supposed to pull out PC4 powersword with catachan mk4 equipped?

[winter grove]

I think you're dying faster than you get rezed

Even with infiltrate

Maybe I am exaggerating a bit

[elder fiber]

my whole point is that infiltration clutch rez is made easier if you throw a shredder/krak first and you're going "lmao fuck them" for no reason

you were literally asking how to build infiltration the other day and some of us have been running it since the class rework, so my bad for trying to raise a point ig lmao

[winter grove]

Yes I might be the bad one for not helping with grenades

Sorry

[elder fiber]

Its just a thing thats worth doing sometimes thats all lol

[winter grove]

I'll take tip though

[elder fiber]

even kraks still knock shit down like rager mobs and clear space, smoke nades help save the 🤡s who got obliterated by gunner mob etc

[winter grove]

Man I noticed how quickly ragers became so useless against me when I got dclaw

Press one button
Boom 90% hp gone

[tame lodge]

Hordes, not as effective but a grenade still a grenade

[winter grove]

Also I did some matches with agri shotgun

Holy shit it's what I wanted

Quick dispatch for cleave buckshot to proc melee spec

And special/elite sniping via slugs

[tame lodge]

I'll assume you know that you can open a bullwark by shooting a special at the shield

[winter grove]

I do know

Takes 4 buckshot weakspots to kill bulwark

I got 20% unyielding on it rn

With 25% maniac

Both were given by hadron

Should I swap the unyielding with flak tho?

[odd sparrow]

Youll propably need flak to reach 1hit BP against shotgunners/gunners

[winter grove]

I actually don't

I oneshot them in head with slug no issue

[hoary horizon]

If Ulgo get slug in ripper... get angry

[winter grove]

Slug is like... You know boltgun bullets? Imagine that but it doesn't go boom and isn't powered by rocket fuel

I bet ripper guns have those somewhere in other side of Imperium

[hoary horizon]

Is why dont like it

Want kill lots in shots not one!

[winter grove]

Why not? It's closest we have of chucking a rock at enemy at bigger distances

[hoary horizon]

Already have rocks

[winter grove]

Yes, but you don't shoot them from a ripper gun

Big bullet big damage yeah?

[hoary horizon]

Ulgo kill hordes. Not armor

Use club if armor

[winter grove]

Many things are easier to do a with a gun, but you do you big man

[hoary horizon]

Thank you boss!

[hoary horizon]

Is okay with me boss!

[trail crater]

wich shovel is actually the best ?

[hoary horizon]

Asking Ulgo? Ogryn shovel or lil uns?

If lil uns then first shovel

[wanton cedar]

I do like how smokes actually block sniper fire now, definitely comes in handy when quick matching and I get put into a sniper gauntlet.

[tiny summit]

Bringing smokes to add to the vent purge

[wanton cedar]

I like to hotbox the hotbox

[odd sparrow]

you can achieve without slug tho, which is very convenient against packs of gunners/shotgunners

[gusty bison]

You can 1 tap an entire row of shotgunners tbf

Manstopper slug go brrr

[tame lodge]

Hey, that's me

[agile forge]

They also drop me to 5 fps

[wanton cedar]

Bro can't hang smh

(Jk)

[hoary horizon]

Ulgo play at 30 fps if lots of explosion happen!

Horde on damnation too!

[wanton cedar]

Especially if the explosive lunch box is thrown

[hoary horizon]

Uses it lots too

Ulgo play powerpoint if very unlucky!

[wanton cedar]

Usually I don't have an issue unless it's like

3 ogryns with the lunch boxes

[hoary horizon]

[wanton cedar]

That's the point of powerpoint, and then I wake up from the daze with half my body gone

[hoary horizon]

Ogryn saved rest of body!

[midnight totem]

I kinda wish the lunchbox was stronger

The grenades that come out

Usually only seen to tickle

[late hatch]

Its more CC rather than damage isnt it?

Like the sunstorm zealot nade

[midnight totem]

I'd appreciate a -little- more damage

[late hatch]

the box itself is a one shot pretty much anything isnt it?

[midnight totem]

On anything less then a mauler

But I don't use it for one mauler, you know?

It's not useful at all on bulwarks

Heavily damages reapers but they're still alive

[wanton dawn]

Box is the least popular ogryn blitz uh ?

I mostly see rock and oppenheimer

[trim hemlock]

It doesn’t really do much by itself, at that low a supply

If it had at least a cooldown like the rock has, albeit longer, it might have been enough

Or if the grenade it drops weren’t garbage AoE crowd control that doesn’t deal damage

Or if the grenades could have some random effects on each throw

[tame lodge]

At least applying bleed

[trim hemlock]

Or that, yeah.

Or 6 smoke grenades

[tame lodge]

Let's tie it to the grenade the vet in your team chose

[trim hemlock]

Randomness would fit Ogryn better IMO, but it would also make value of each box fairly chaotic

[terse idol]

Yeah, RNg is a littleee painful

Unless it's just pure damage then it's whatever

[trim hemlock]

I mean, I wouldn’t mind if the box just dropped 6 shredder nades with low damage, which would apply like 2 bleed/grenade

[hoary horizon]

Nah want stagger more

Knock em down on feet

[junior needle]

Box needs faster pullout

[hoary horizon]

No or else oogryn spill grenades out

[junior needle]

Put a little extra tape on it and it won't

[hoary horizon]

But then grenade dont come out

[junior needle]

Just throw it a little harder

[hoary horizon]

But not want nice tape

Ulgo favorite color

[vivid kernel]

I like feet

[hoary horizon]

Why?

Why tell ogryn? Want me to get you feets?

[sleek garden]

I use it, it's good prolonged stagger and the removal of one crusher/mauler from the horde in your face

If a teammate goes down to a horde it's the best thing you can bring

[crude fiber]

6 kraks pop out and 1 shot a boss

[dusty locust]

What was the best bolter you ever got?

[hoary horizon]

Still wonder why said that?

Am confused

[tame lodge]

Do not be, some valuate body parts more than they should

[wanton dawn]

I like my feet. They carry me.

[slate kayak]

Use your weapons to carry you

[wanton dawn]

I can't, none of my weapons are balanced

[hoary horizon]

Ulgo carry lots of new little ones

[umbral scaffold]

i need a Sly Marbo build

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnGauVsD8cI

[final locust]

Be nice if I could change my characters background

not a huge fan of a northern voice tbh

[umbral scaffold]

need to create a new one....best voiceline is cutthroath imo

[hollow ibex]

Cadia this Cadia that Cadia shut the fuck up

Cutthroat is still my favorite though