veteran-class

[low jetty]

beautiful

[lyric dock]

Like the lone Crusher it can deal without too many issues if you got enough distance

But a Crusher ball?

May need some help with that

[low jetty]

Worst is the silent Crusher bonk from behind ( no sound cue until the last second)

i really wanna move aorund stabbin while gunning without having to switch to melee often...but sadly the key binding for special makes it difficult to move around and dodge

[lyric dock]

Helbore 2 v Crusher in a controlled environment AKA Meat Grinder

Correcting myself. 3 stabs to the head. Not 2

[low jetty]

waoh, didnt even felt like you wer charging

[lyric dock]

That's how fast the Helbore 2 is

[cloud falcon]

Hey, are achievements that require Volley Fire compatible with Ex Stance too?

[lyric dock]

Yes unless they broke again

[cloud falcon]

Ty

[low jetty]

currently i have 3 builds for my Veteran...
-sniper
-field medic
-Catachan-ish-maybe

[lyric dock]

5 builds for my Vet

[low jetty]

definitely gonna need a shovel/devil claw for 3rd build + shotgun/scattergun

[lyric dock]

I just cheat and use the same melee for all my builds

[low jetty]

Marbo be smiling on you

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-wh40k-sly-marbo-aaaaaa-alfabusa-gif-14316691

[lyric dock]

Can always trust my Power sword

[low jetty]

oh yea, havent gotten a hang of it

still in love with the great chainsword/chainaxe

[bitter turtle]

With enough melee talents on tree

You can do 2

No respite helps too

Buffs the second stab

[lyric dock]

My build can only 3 stabs since I have no melee buffing skills on my build

[midnight totem]

the power sword doesn't really need rending does it

[low jetty]

it helps than nothing

especially when dealing with pesky melee carapace units

[wanton dawn]

No

[midnight totem]

I think I just improved on my build

swapped out fire team aura for move speed aura since I use agile engagement

saved a point or two

no, saved one point

Took out rending, put those two points into fully loaded and superiority complex for +15 percent base damage to elites

Don't need 10 percent rending on a power sword for carapace units

+15 percent base damage to all elites works better

works better for my revolver and vraks 3 as well, more damage to the gunners, one shot headshot from a further distance

[midnight totem]

Good

they better fight for that ammo

[junior needle]

You're gonna be fighting for it too

[slow spade]

Me taking off Krak grenades because my team can handle the carapace UwU

[midnight totem]

I only need ammo in high int missions

[lyric dock]

Reminds me of one of my Ogryn games where NO had any good anti-carapace weapons. So it was just me. In a horde of Crushers bashing them all to the deaith shield heavy attacks

[midnight totem]

I take survivalist for those rounds

regular games, I don't need much ammo

[lyric dock]

I use Survivalist to give my teammates ammo. Ammo for me is a bonus

[midnight totem]

And then if I have a team of like, three psykers

or another vet

and they have survivalist

well, I don't need to take it lol

[lyric dock]

3 psykers is just "Go ham. All the ammo is yours" unless it is 3 gunkers

[neat stratus]

Here's a hot take for vet chat: There isnt a single good game DICE made

[midnight totem]

DICE?

Rebuttal, Bad Company and Bad Company 2

[neat stratus]

I guess you're right

[midnight totem]

EVERYTHING SINCE THEN THOUGH

[neat stratus]

Battlefields are all garbage though imo

[midnight totem]

Suckage

Maybe Battlefield 3 was tolerable

[neat stratus]

It gets way too much praise for being ok

[midnight totem]

It was the last battlefield I played because I was like

[slow spade]

Battlefield 2142 is my favorite c:

I love mechs

[midnight totem]

"There are features from Bad Company 2 that should be here, but are not"

[neat stratus]

Take call of duty, make it more cinematic, make everything else just as bad or maybe even worse, then you have Battlefield

[midnight totem]

And thats when I knew Battlefield would go downhill

[slow spade]

Battlefield 2142 adding magnetic landmines was fun UwU

[midnight totem]

never brought Battlefield 4 as a result. Also fuck Hardline

[raw steppe]

I would just chill and kite

and let my teammates die

[neat stratus]

Call of Duty 1 > Battlefield 1
Battlefield V needs no competitors, its just garbage
Battlefield 2042 is a literal joke and should've been the final nail in the coffin for the studio

[raw steppe]

to show them the importance

[neat stratus]

Hardline and 4 are just soulless garbage

[raw steppe]

of bringing non-shit weapons

[slow spade]

Battlefield 2143 never 😔

[neat stratus]

GOOD

[lyric dock]

That goes against the Ogryn directive. Ogryn doesn't let teammates die on Purpose

[tall torrent]

I actually hate it when 3 psykers cannot fight crushers or bulwarks

[slow spade]

Not 2042, 2142

[neat stratus]

They'd ruin the 2100 series if they made a new game

[slow spade]

Ah

I just want mechs in battlefield again :c

Riesig my beloved

[neat stratus]

Call of Duty's 3 developers have no creativity, Battlefield developers have no soul

You either play a rehash or complete garbage

[slow spade]

Indeed

[neat stratus]

And here's to go even further

Battlebit isnt even that good

[slow spade]

Even Battlebit lost its edge

[neat stratus]

First person shooters based in reality are dead

Or similar

[slow spade]

I think Trepang is pretty fun

[neat stratus]

Its probably just the bigger ones

[midnight totem]

My go to after Bad Company 2 and Battlefield was

Planetside 2

but that's fallen by the wayside a fair bit too

[slow spade]

I've basically stopped with multiplayer games

Give me Corekeeper pls

Drop into ancient cave -> lost civilization full of monsters -> find a gun in a crate

Truly I knew what I had to do

[potent iris]

love corekeeper

I play it multi tho

[midnight totem]

If you get a gun, you gotta shoot it

[tiny summit]

Advanced Warfare was fun with all the weapon variations and boosting around the air shooting lasers

[midnight totem]

thats just how it is

[hollow ibex]

That was a blast back in the day

Rip

[tiny summit]

Chivalry 2 is my go to fps atm

[hollow ibex]

Shame what happened there too

[slow spade]

Same, I just mostly play solo

Actually carved entire caverns through the mountain trying to find certain bosses until someone said "oh btw bosses spawn in a certain circumference"

[rugged garnet]

A Psyker left the maelstrom pre lobby because I had a plasma gun

Lol

[midnight totem]

see, don't need fancy powers to make a difference

[rugged garnet]

[junior needle]

I consider plasma vets as a worthy adversary for most kills on my zealot with revolver

I usually beat them but there's a rare one that gives me trouble

[wanton dawn]

I ate a lot of ammo tonight

And I apparently launched 55 grenades this game

that's a lot of boom

[junior needle]

More than the average recon enjoyer

[lyric dock]

With the results you have. Yeah. I would give you ammo priority

[last parcel]

nah you should give it to me (recon lasgun psyker)

1.7k poxwalker damage 💪

[wanton dawn]

ill get fat

[wary wharf]

I'm not an autogun player but is this good?

[tall torrent]

Yes

[void rampart]

Does Female Cutthroat have any voicelines? Ours is suspiciously quiet..

[tame lodge]

They do be like that

[wanton dawn]

I tried exe stance plasma for a light down monstro

twas fun

Still eating ammo like a tourist at an all-you-can-eat buffet

[umbral scaffold]

does any one know wehre and how i can get a good veteran skill tree im super new ^^

[junior needle]

A good skill tree very much depends on what weapons you're taking

[tame lodge]

And it ties to your intentions

[somber axle]

What weapon or weapons are you wanting to build a tree for? People can give recommendations depending on that

[lyric dock]

Lasguns, Auto guns, Some tech heresy creation because you found Hadron's secret stash of Duck tape and combine to the 2 weapons together

[tame lodge]

Plz Grendyl give us xen... I mean "old" weapons

[umbral scaffold]

oh well im realy new so i dont know yet tbh

[gaunt delta]

Try all the weapons. Figure out what you vibe with. And also notice which weapons are good at killing the metal baddies, and which ones are good at killing the groaners

(Yer tree is gonna wanna run thru the left-side Aura for giving ammo back to the team.)

[junior needle]

There's only a few substantially underperforming guns currently, namely recon lasguns, the autopistol, and the agri revolver.

Survivalist is the best aura and voc with overshield is the best ult

There's no one best keystone although the ping keystone is the most generally useful.

[austere pine]

this might get me to become a krieger fanboy

[junior needle]

You can also not take a keystone, in fact it's a perfectly good strategy to not take one

[austere pine]

when did this come out

[junior needle]

months ago

They dropped 4 copy paste shovels that worked the same way

[austere pine]

might be coming back 😈

i mean the skin

[midnight totem]

took my "optimized" build for a quick spin

aside from our 4th being unable to melee whatsoever, the game went pretty smoothly

[raw steppe]

ping keystone has great numbers, easy to use and useful sub-nodes

hoping one day fs will do a balance pass

and tweak numbers on the other ones

[junior needle]

It is the easiest to use if you bind ping to your primary fire button

But I can't remember if you can do that without mods

[winter grove]

You can

In cost of annoying literally everyone including yourself in game

[midnight totem]

if you guys had to pick one, demolition team or stockpile?

[austere pine]

stockpile? a grenade every 60 seconds is better than rolling the 95% chance 30 times in a row

[midnight totem]

aye thats what I was thinking

[junior needle]

The regen for sure

[tiny summit]

If I'm using VoC, stockpile. I don't bother with stockpile on my Exe and Infil builds. Demo team is enough

[midnight totem]

anybody here ever use cover fire?

[austere pine]

always in the thick of it

[tall torrent]

Demo stockpile
Although I really think taking both makes playing frags way better

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/the-road-to-el-dorado-both-both-is-good-gif-8304204

[umbral granite]

Wait... there are people who don't take both...?

[junior needle]

If you meaning covering fire, it’s only active if you’re shooting into chaffe that your team is already clearing in melee. This is a terrible habit and so it’s not very good.

I only take nade regen

[umbral granite]

Frag grenades are comically effective against mixed hordes.

clears the chaffe, and the bleed does work at softening up ragers and maulers

[lyric dock]

Frag grenades also gives you some space to do revives or objectives

[neat stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/rule193-dragon-ball-discord-rules-gif-23760147

[hollow ibex]

Frag grenade supremacy

[neat stratus]

"Veteran, see enemies in that direction?"
"Yes sir, removing that direction."

[potent iris]

we need frog grenades

[umbral scaffold]

A well placed krak grenade can also kill most of the horde in a chokepoint.

[midnight totem]

kraks when the enemies are stuck inside each other from stagger or when climbing/dropping down is hilarious

I think my record is 6 crushers and a couple of maulers

[echo parcel]

Stick em and shout em

[tiny summit]

I see the value of it. But I do have surv on most builds

[tame lodge]

I believe in Krak supremacy

[tiny summit]

If I'm using Exe or Infil I'm not spending 2 points for stockpile most of the time

[umbral granite]

Krak grenades require a chokepoint and a bit of prep deal with hordes, and you can only have 2 on your at a time (barring the grenadier perk). Frag grenades tend to be "fire and forget" type weapons that you can just chuck out whenever you need a large area of space cleared of chaffe.
Yes, Krak can also do solid chunks of damage to bosses, and straight up delete heavy-armored threats, I am not saying they are bad, i am just saying i have a personal preference to frag grenades.

[umbral scaffold]

Where as I prefer the ability to instantly delete crushers out of the way. Rather that than having someone go down to a group of them. But hey, you do you :P

[tame lodge]

Good ol' Darktide fashion
The alternative is better

[echo parcel]

All of the nades are incredibly useful in dealing with bullshit, just in different ways

[umbral granite]

Totally understandable, I can see the value of a "delete those crushers" button (i run rock on ogryn for "delete the mutant").

[umbral granite]

I never understood the point of smoke grenades... I am sure they are useful... i've just never seen them put to good use.

[tiny summit]

Well they only now recently work as intended

[tame lodge]

They work better now

[echo parcel]

Throw them at your feet when clearing rooms/getting pushed by shotgun or gunner squad

[tame lodge]

That's one of the options

[tiny summit]

Ranged enemies just stop shooting into the cloud. Messes with ranged enemies and specialists while people are in the cloud. Dog waves will run around confused and not leap at anyone if everyone is in smoke

[echo parcel]

Essentially a dome shield that cant break

[umbral scaffold]

Smoke grenades help if you want to avoid becoming under fire from a lot of gunners, but they are mostly just for support and helping out teammates (and usually you better hope your teammates don't suck)

[tiny summit]

Yep

An isolated mosh pit with no gunner interference

[hollow ibex]

Minus toughness regen tho

[gilded kernel]

which vraks hh rifle variant would you guys suggesdt for a marksman build

[final locust]

yo cuh

we need mo missions cuh

[umbral scaffold]

Mk 9

[gilded kernel]

ok

any reason why in particular

or

[umbral granite]

Ah... so there a "Great if your team knows what to do" kind of thing.

Yeah, i doubt i would use them, i play like 80% of my games in quickplay, so i always assume that at least half my team will be of questionable skill level.

[umbral scaffold]

Because the others are burst-fire

[echo parcel]

Can we just get the twins tier wolfer boss fight already

[tame lodge]

Doubt they'll off the guy this soon

[gilded kernel]

im not crazy right

theres no vraks 9

[umbral granite]

I've been told that the genestealers are the next big threat... not sure how reliable that is though, so take my words with an ogryn sized grain of salt.

[umbral scaffold]

Oh

[gilded kernel]

its agripinaa 9

[umbral scaffold]

Derp

[gilded kernel]

no no you're fine

I just thought there was a vraks 9 too and was looking through the armory like i was losing my mind

[umbral scaffold]

I don't remember which vraks is which, but I do remember one of them being absolutely terrible for sniping while the other one is just... eh

[gilded kernel]

what do you think of this

just whipped it up

[umbral granite]

I am going to be honest... only weapons i use for veteran are the cadian flashlight (infantry Ia lasgun), plasma-gun, and agripina slug shotgun.

[echo parcel]

Wolfer keeps yappin whether he should come down and deal with us himself, it's time for him to stand on business

[umbral granite]

mostly been using the slug shotgun as of late

[gilded kernel]

really? i never touch the 1a what do you run on it

just made a second one

[umbral scaffold]

My only issue with the slug shotgun is that the Iron sight on it is god awful.

[gilded kernel]

Weapon Customization Mod?

[umbral scaffold]

Probably should try that some day

[gilded kernel]

just realized this is a vraks 7 and not a an agripinaa

reallllllll nice

[tame lodge]

There's a blessing that adds 100% extra damage on critical weakspot

[gilded kernel]

holy moly

[umbral scaffold]

Speak of the devil xD

[gilded kernel]

now its time to pimp it out w the weapon mod

[umbral granite]

Ideally: Deadly accurate, headhunter, flak, and maniac.
Currently, because i haven't rolled better: Deadly accurate 4, Headhunter 3, tier 4 flak damage, tier 4 weakspot damage.

the deadly accurate 4 and tier 4 flak damage were the things i modified on

[junior needle]

Vraks 3 and 7 are both the good HH's. The agri 9 is in an awkward spot where it's just worse than the other two (it has slightly less dps than a vraks 3 but also a weird recoil pattern that can mess up the second shot in the first). It's also not as good at surgical usage as the 7, and not as good for headhunter usage as the 3.

7 is single shot, 3 is burst fire.

[junior needle]

That's a ripper for surgical 4. You don't want to skimp on stopping power on breakpoint dependent guns.

[wintry cove]

thoughts my vet bros?

[serene bough]

We don't like the mk3 helbore

Neither the blessing or the perk are desirable either

[umbral scaffold]

so when they'll delete the stupid ogryn? i can't suffer no more their existence....i'll propose to drive them on a planet alltoghether and call for an exterminatus

[last parcel]

[umbral scaffold]

with a krak u kill all that shit in one shot.....useless

[wintry cove]

which one do we like

[umbral scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-exterminatus-explode-gif-16225998

[serene bough]

Most people like mk2 but mk1 also usable

[wintry cove]

i seee

[serene bough]

Other way around oops

Mk3 just does a lot of overkill damage, rips through ammo, and has the worst bayonet

[junior needle]

The only issue with the mk3 is the bayonet

Otherwise it has the best one tap breakpoints and any ammo problems are negated entirely by shocktrooper/surgical/survivalist

[inner olive]

Combat knife bayonet= bad
Pigsticker Bayonet = good

This is canon

[tame lodge]

Just get a weapon that shoots through them or you know, reposition yourself

[inner olive]

This^

Play psyker or use logic

[terse idol]

Krak stinky embrace smok

[umbral scaffold]

yeah and than the mentally challenged player move again in front of me 'CuZ I HAvE tO TanK SOmeeethiNg' at 21cm from me so instead of seeing my screen i see a giant smelly ogryn's fat ass...again

[terse idol]

Man I mean

[umbral scaffold]

...and they don't fucking understand u are constantly dodging like moron cuz THEM are in the fucking way...they keep moving in front of you FFS, nerf that stupid class so nobody use them anymore....or idk shrink them or something

[terse idol]

Just look at it this way

Anything in front of the ogryn is no longer your problem

😌

So you work less and can do anything else while the Ogrynn is tanking and doing things in front of you

[junior needle]

I'M TOONKING

OH GOD I'M GONNA TOOOOOOOONK

[terse idol]

In an ideal world the ogryn knows positioning better but it's easier to juet

[umbral scaffold]

what?....average ogryn player sucks at everything, including doing damage

[terse idol]

Let him be in front and ignore everything until he takes enough damage to move back

[terse idol]

Whaat noo

[junior needle]

Playing ogryn is truly the best experience

[tame lodge]

So you reposition again, if you don't try to solve the problem, you're part of it

[umbral scaffold]

the fuck u are saying?

[junior needle]

He doesn't know

[tame lodge]

Ogryns, by presence alone, has more utility than any other class

[junior needle]

It's an ogryn meme about tanking

[umbral scaffold]

bullshits....best run i had was with 4 vets

[tame lodge]

But you, keep shooting them and that's all I have to say for now

[umbral scaffold]

the other (useless) classes at least aren't the size of an obese elephant

[tame lodge]

Bait used to be believable

[umbral scaffold]

anyway how i can fucking use the fucking scoreboard mod on linux?

i'm tired to keeping count of kills

[terse idol]

I don't think you need it lad, ya bullied the big man sullied the guardsmen name

Jokes aside I have noooo idea

Did you ask in the darktide modding discord?

[umbral scaffold]

they embararring themeselves just from existing....no need to bully

[umbral scaffold]

link?

[tame lodge]

#📌communities message

@umbral scaffold

[umbral scaffold]

thanks👍

[tame lodge]

Np

[hoary horizon]

What...

You no friend of ogryn's.

[hoary horizon]

Ulgo agrees

Even if joking

[terse idol]

[umbral scaffold]

Implying that the average veteran player also doesn't suck. Pretty sure a good chunk never play above Malice

[hoary horizon]

Ulgo angry with... not even little one! Too mean to be one

[last parcel]

he is eretig

[hoary horizon]

No worse!

Traitor!

[tall torrent]

The avg player regardless of class sucks in this game lol

[hoary horizon]

Was going to say Untrue but yes. Many have bad days. Ither just bad. Not reason to give up on them

Ulgo sometime very vad at other class than Ogryn

[final stag]

Same big man

Sometimes I'm a god and then I feel like I drag the team down 💀

[trim steppe]

This game has 99 issues but Ogryn ain't one

[junior needle]

I've only ever seen one toxic ogryn player

And in that lobby, the other ogryn player called him out on it

It was great, we were both making fun of him for it

[final stag]

I haven't met a toxic ogryn but toxic everyone else?

Yeah I have

I have a screenshot of some psyker I'm guessing trying to rage bait me
Almost had me

[last parcel]

sounds like possession

lieutenant, give it the emperor's judgemnet

[tough tiger]

but did the other ogryn chat in funny ogryn speak

[junior needle]

You gotta censor the names according da rules

At least of other people

[final stag]

O h my bad

I'll delete that right quick

[junior needle]

It's to avoid drama and "witchhunting" I believe it's called

Ah yes, do not name and shame

[final stag]

Dhjd didn't know that

Now I do

[junior needle]

I didn't read the rules when I joined either

[final stag]

Now I know

Thabk what other rules should I know fnnd

[gleaming ibex]

oops, dropped these

probably fairly well-known now, but gots to let the new guys hear the good word

[serene bough]

is this the weapon customization mod

[gleaming ibex]

[tough tiger]

a double barrel?

[gleaming ibex]

a double barrel

[tough tiger]

it'll prolly suck against carapace like always

[frank basin]

That is correct

[gleaming ibex]

but imagine the stagger

sending crushers on their ass like an ogryn with a kickback

[tough tiger]

would be funny to stagger crushers

[serene bough]

Could've fooled me

[frank basin]

Wydm?

[tough tiger]

i wonder if i could put crushers to sleep by stacking impact blessings

[serene bough]

If you told me these were leaked images of a bolt pistol and a double barrel I would've believed it

They look unlike the typical weapon monstrosities people customize themselves

[frank basin]

I see

[tough tiger]

i wish we can get a proper machine gun for the veteran

[frank basin]

Only machine gun we have is braced auto

And I use Graia

😦

[tough tiger]

true

but its weak and still mag fed anyway

[final stag]

He wants a belt fed

[tough tiger]

exactly

[tame lodge]

Same

[final stag]

Let me send 100 rounds down way

[tough tiger]

like what the gunners have

idc if its laser or bullets

[gleaming ibex]

one sec, i'll show you this design somebody came up with with the weapon customization thing

[tame lodge]

Yeah

[gleaming ibex]

its goddamn purdy

[tough tiger]

it gets the look right

[frank basin]

Yeah I have like that on Graia

[gleaming ibex]

mine's on columnus

then i use the PewPew mod to make it sound like the gorgonum

[frank basin]

Graia braced give ridiculous fire rate

[gleaming ibex]

so it has LMG sound

[tough tiger]

true

[gleaming ibex]

you love braced up until there's a sniper lol

[tough tiger]

it feels nice to unload on a horde despite 0 cleave

[frank basin]

I shoot like m249

[frank basin]

Brace all way and I snipe across it

[tough tiger]

if you tap it then it's somewhat accurate right?

[final stag]

Braced go brrrt

Agri does well with maulers so that's all I need

[frank basin]

Yeah

[bronze arch]

can someone help me do the make the everyshot count penance

[rugged garnet]

Give it to the vet and let them regen on range kills

[midnight totem]

I think I met a guy with an aimbot

Veteran with a revolver

He'd place 5 shots perfectly on elites

Then get mobbed by fodder

[final stag]

Get fucked

[midnight totem]

He did get fucked

Ran ahead during a horde

[late hatch]

One of my mates barely plays and only ogryn. Its hilarious watching him going full blast with a stubber and jumping and spinning 360s while getting shanked by chaff instead of switching to melee.

[midnight totem]

Killed 3 specials

[spare prism]

nah he’s just a named character

[midnight totem]

Put three bullets into a mutie when he could've meleed it

He got jumped by the next three specials

Because it was shock trooper gauntlet and even with ammo aura and all of the ammo pickups he was red

[spare prism]

oof

[final stag]

That's a rip

[midnight totem]

We were already at 3 because our fourth was just terrible

My last teammate tried to save the aimbot

Stood in fire

... so it did not go well for him

So I had to fight a rager horde, three trappers, a flamer and two dogs myself

[spare prism]

Space marine i’m still standing plays

[midnight totem]

Nah. Wasn't making it out of there

[spare prism]

i hate Ragers the most annoying specialist imo

[midnight totem]

And so

I'm restarting my never going down penance

One

More time

[spare prism]

you do extra headshot damage, nah i’m breaking your toughness now

[spare prism]

i believe in you

do it for the guard

[midnight totem]

If you search my messages

I complain about this penance

All the fucking time

[spare prism]

i honestly just empty headed play the game and then get a pleasant surprise when I get a penance completed

[midnight totem]

Only damnation

And above

Games only count if they're from start to finish

[spare prism]

damnation hurts my soul to much, making my weapon an actual flashlight

[midnight totem]

Even joining a game halfway but getting downed loses the penace

I'm so tired of this penance

[final stag]

Which one?

[trim steppe]

I assume the one for 15 games in a row where you aren't downed

[final stag]

Ah

Good luck compadre fnndnd

[trim steppe]

I almost broke my keyboard after getting downed (by dumb shit of course) at the very end of my 15th mission. Eventually went back knocked it out on malice because fuck that penance lol

[tall torrent]

Just speedrun malice

[junior needle]

Ragers are elites

[wanton dawn]

The 15 game without down is not exactly "hard" but it is most definitely not a fun one

Have to play safe for hours

[clever flicker]

what's y'alls opinion on the different ranged weapons for veteran?

like I want to mostly use las guns/pistols but I'm not sure if they are actually worth it

same with the combat shotgun

[late hatch]

mk10 laspistol is my jam atm. c5 iag, plasma, and rev are all meta

[clever flicker]

ah okay

but if i decided to not follow meta, how fucked would I be?

[late hatch]

the mk10 laspistol has fantastic movement, hits hard, and swaps quick as a flash. Most weapons are viable, some are just clear standouts in either direction. You can make anything work depending your skill, but if you want to have an easy time on high diff you should read the pins for guides on what to use.

Vet is very headshot focussed, and quite flexible in build and talents.

I tend to run a support commissar build with VoC, nades, and weap specialist. Imo this is the easy mode build.

[clever flicker]

I figured. So far I've been having a lot of fun with the las pistol. Not the best for infected but damn do the crits especially melt through armored shit heads

[clever flicker]

VoC?

oh voice of command

[late hatch]

The shout with overshield.

[clever flicker]

ah okay

im tempted to get the commisar outfit honestly

[late hatch]

STAND UP AND FIGHT, OR ANSWER TO ME!

[dusty nacelle]

GIVE EM THE OLD KASRKIN DOUBLE TAP

[late hatch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1208738675957956650/1208738703422394400/image.png?ex=66001024&is=65ed9b24&hm=ff2fe6f6a694934d7b4b40710cfa2d98d364f491cff802bfa1db451fdfc78db7&

This is a very solid weapon to use with these blessings. The laspistol has built in suppression immunity, with ghost you are completely immune to range as long as you click heads. Then use shout and nades at your feet to give yourself space.

[clever flicker]

holy shit that honestly is really damn broken lmfao \

which stat increases hipfire acc?

[late hatch]

Your mouse coordination. The laspistol really doesnt move. Ammo does give a couple more shots but its not that big. You really want high damage and stopping power with good mobi. Stab and ammo can both be sacrificed.

[clever flicker]

how do you fine tune the percentages or is it just luck?

[final latch]

luck

[late hatch]

Once you grind up to around 1m dockets you go to the shop and select brunts and roll weapons by the dozen, then take good stat distros and go to hadron and pray they dont turn into bricks

There is a mod to roll multiples and auto sell low rolls.

[clever flicker]

that kinda sucks. I'm still only lvl 13 so I still have a ways to go

[late hatch]

Melks can sometimes give you something decent, but its extrememly rare to get an actual godroll

[clever flicker]

So whats the best way to get the exact weapon you want with the right stats, specs, and rarity?

[final latch]

pretty sure just farming emperor gifts

or you can just dump plasteel at the issue

melk can be good too

[clever flicker]

ah okay, thank you!

[final latch]

getting the gear u want sucks

[late hatch]

Go to the shop every reset and look for something suitable. Emps gifts are almost always rubbish.
Its gonna take a while to get a decent range of weapons. The only real way to get a particular weapon is to dump dockets at brunts.

[neat stratus]

Games aren't good anymore tbh

[late hatch]

Read the pins, try out some grey weapons on malice and see what you like the feel of. If you want to play damnation and auric then its highly rec you go for meta.

[frank monolith]

Hd2 pretty good

[neat stratus]

I mean I can't really enjoy many anymore

[jaunty sphinx]

games are good just play good games

I'd take a break from gaming then come back later, worked for me

Try Baldur's Gate 3 if you like rpgs or Ultrakill if you like fps

[neat stratus]

There's pretty much nothing else I have to do but work, and considering people I'd rather just stay inside

I could read, but I've read pretty much every book I have

[late hatch]

I came from playing a lot of vermintide and games like mordhau so the combat was pretty easy for me to get into. But if you arent a great gamer or dont have history with this type of game then you should try to pick up some friends by sending friend reqs to nice people you play with and using #vox-lfg-lexicanum

What server are you on?

[clever flicker]

I don't really have a problem with these types of games. The difficulty I'm running into is just randoms. I constantly get trapped or mauled and I will literally watch my entire team loot and not even notice. I also notice no one uses in game voice chat which makes coordination a fucking chore

[late hatch]

Spam ping like a maniac if you get trapped or see high threats coming.

And discord premades are the answer to coms

[clever flicker]

maybe. I wonder if heresey and up is easier in a way because the people playing those difficulties not only know what they are doing as individuals but also know how to play as a team and coordinate better. Meanwhile malice is where people who just got out of the cakewalk of uprising don't know how to coordinate yet

[late hatch]

Malice enemies are low hp and low damage. You can solo malice pretty easy with a decent build if you know what you are doing. Damnation is quite a bit harder and you need better weapons so it doesnt take you all day to kill packs of enemies.

HIST games spawn groups of the most threatening enemies and requires better coordination along with better weapons if you dont want to bomb out.

[frank monolith]

Can confirm auric damnation is a decent place, you still see some goldfish now and then but generally i see people actually putting out the specialist before they can get near the group. And they un net pretty fast most of the time

[late hatch]

Unless someone is netted in fire you should pretty much always make it absolute prio to release them as its almost instant

[bitter turtle]

laspistols are very good

and revolver is basically the top 3 guns

so

[frank monolith]

If someone gets netted in a horde spam push attacks until you get the prompt to release from net

[clever flicker]

I mean I have no problem with most of the enemies. I output some pretty solid anti-armor damage so my problem doesn't really lie there. My problem usually comes in the form of cupcake the pitbull pouncing on me from east bumblefuck and my team being too spread out to help me no matter how much I try to stick together. I'll take 5 seconds to look for ammo and I turn around and they are halfway across the map spread out across different sections and levels

[bitter turtle]

if you get netted/pounced while alone that is honestly solely on you

[late hatch]

Get used to pushing the dog mid leap or dodging out of the way. Always be aware of your position and dont back yourself into a corner. Use nades and shout to make room when you need to.

[bitter turtle]

always be aware of specialists around you

[clever flicker]

I've learned how to dodge the trapper. Once he readies his gun I dodge to the side, guaranteed he misses

the dog still working on

[bitter turtle]

the dog ha sa very generous window to push it off

[late hatch]

Just push while its in its jump

[bitter turtle]

as in the block -> push motion

[clever flicker]

I dind't I could push it mid air like that...

[white minnow]

the game also cheats in your favor for pushing dogs/bursters, so the distance at which you can push them is farther than your normal push

[clever flicker]

i won't even be solo. I literally got so pissed early cuz I got trapped from behind and then the horde was already dead and I watched my teamate who was 30ft away from me just loot away and let me almost die from a couple heretics battering me

[clever flicker]

ah thats good to know

[bitter turtle]

i wont deny that ppl can be super braindead at times

but the best way to approach it is just to think of it as

"i shouldnt have been trapped in the first place"

[late hatch]

If you are oce im happy to play a few games with you sometime. Otherwise just use the vox channels to find some nice people to teach you the ropes.

[bitter turtle]

like

one game i almost got actually pissed bc someone didnt pick me up instead of shooting snipers despite being able to do so behind cover safely

but i was like

nah i shouldnt have been down in the first place

better way to think of it so you can improve

everything is avodiable

ppl have done solo runs on auric mael

[clever flicker]

AEC sorry

[umbral scaffold]

it's duable dude, that's a ton of aim assist on that thing...it's funny how ppl speak on skills on this game where the only skill remotely required is being able to put down a well though build, and still 60% of the player base sucks at even the basics of a shooter: it's typical of 40ks games, most ppl paint minis and play tabletop irl and approach the game just cuz there's 40k in the title, but they are clueless who do better at playing solitaire on their desktop

[clever flicker]

or AST if you use time specific

[umbral scaffold]

even at damnation if u die, u prolly die from stutter or lag....skills, on darktide, LOL

[clever flicker]

I know im def not perfect. I used to be kinda ass at sticking with my team so I improved on it. But when me and 1 dude are doing obj while one guy is still back on the previous level/section looking for loot even tho we already cleaned it out while the other is off in the corner trying to solo a horde with his lasgun and keeps getting downed its gets pretty fucking annoying

[late hatch]

Grind to a decent level and work on your builds and weapons. Playing malice and below you are gonna be matched with casuals and scrubs, its just how it is. If its not HIST and you are getting netted or dogged more than 1-2 times a game you are not gonna carry. You want to ge through games with 0 downs and disables if you can.

[clever flicker]

I think you might be right and I just need to get more talent stuff, especially for those crucial moments of having to defend an area while not getting overrun

i think another problem is composition. Most of my games, almost everyone is running vet. I figured vet would be the most popular class but shit its so rare to see a fucking ogryn or any other class man

[late hatch]

I am the 2nd column grinding a zealot at lvl 16 on damnation. You can make it work if you have the skills and understand the game.

[clever flicker]

like I'm not compaining about what people play as. But it would be nice if missions would try to match you with all 4 classes so theres one of each. If a player playing ogryn goes into quickplay, it should put him in a game with 1 vet, 1 zealot, and 1 psyker

[late hatch]

Premades or take the rng pretty much.

[clever flicker]

thats honestly really impressive

[bitter turtle]

having a "balanced" comp doesnt really do anything

well

4 ogryns will probably suffer on snipers

[late hatch]

Auras do help.

[bitter turtle]

the only aura worth talking about is survivalist

everything else is a minor and ultimately mostly inconsequential bonus

[clever flicker]

i mean doesn't each class generally shine in accomplishing a certain task or purpose? or at the very least doing it better than their counter parts

[bitter turtle]

well that's the thing

with the skill trees now especially

you can basically build any class to do either range or melee focus

melee focus vet is actually stronger than gun focus for example (not that you dont shoot, but you play a lot around your melee)

psykers can use guns for higher dps than vets with certain builds

only exception is ogryn's ranged weapons all lack precision so ig 4 ogryns might suffer a bit picking off snipers

even gungryn is more "spray into crowd" rather than snipe so

[late hatch]

Ogryn is great at melee and has some incredible ranged damage for close to mid range. Zealot has insane movement and melee with some great ranged weaps. Psyker doesnt use ammo and brings massive utility with CC and damage. Vet is the most flexible class and can buff overone with overshield which can keep people alive.

[clever flicker]

but even then, different classes are still better at certain tasks no? Like sure, a vet with an auto can take out hordes easily at range, but an ogryn can still do it better even at melee and can suck up a lot of damage for a team

[bitter turtle]

ogryn is better at forgiving mistakes yes

if that's what you mean by "soaking up damage"

you really shouldn't be taking damage in the first place

[late hatch]

Block, dodge, and slide your way around the fights.

[bitter turtle]

but to answer your question, no, it really doesnt matter what your comp is

[late hatch]

Get used to using push to make space

[bitter turtle]

as long as its not 4 ogryn

everyone has tools to deal with melee and range

oh

and excessive smite psykers will rpobably hurt a run too

because they do no dmg

[clever flicker]

but cover isnt always available, and there are a lot of sections where there are a lot of ranged enemies in covered or coneciled spots that will pick away at your toughness or health

[bitter turtle]

but that's more of a "dumb build" than comp problem

[bitter turtle]

idk if you know this

but you can nullify any enemy gunfire by sprinting while your camera isnt facing them

enemy gunners are literally the least dangerous elite

[clever flicker]

what?

[bitter turtle]

sec

i will show you

[final latch]

you have to run at a specific angle

[late hatch]

If you have stamina you are dodging while you sprint

[clever flicker]

that just sounds like shit game design at that point

[final latch]

sprinting makes you avoid ranged attack

[bitter turtle]

no

yoiu can run straight at them

even

as long as your camera doesnt face

ill show 2 video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9WKsyMxasI

here

[final latch]

really ?

[bitter turtle]

sprinting puts you in a dodge state that lets you avoid gunfire

you are literally ubllet immune

sliding does this as well

but

it doesnt have to do with run angle actually

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RS1xybCT1_g

its camera angle

you can actualyl strafe-sprint right at a gunner into their gunshots as long a syour camera doesnt face them lol

[clever flicker]

thats so fucking stupid

[white minnow]

prob should've just made it based on your movement direction

[clever flicker]

does that work against any ranged enemy?

[bitter turtle]

not snipers

so uh

[white minnow]

works against snipers

[clever flicker]

like just a regular heretic guardsmen

[bitter turtle]

oh it does?

[white minnow]

ye

[bitter turtle]

man

i must have fucked it up the one time i tried

ok works against everything then

[white minnow]

it's there to fulfill that "run sideways against strafing gunfire" fantasy but the camera aspect is p jank

[final latch]

i find shotgunners less dangerous tbh

gunners can be a pain

you have to focus them or ur getting constantly knocked back and suppressed

[bitter turtle]

shotgunners can body you in 2 seconds if they catch you off guard so i still consider them slightly more worrisome

gunners are like

[clever flicker]

a fucking sniper can't account for a fat ass ogryn going on a leisurely jog?

[bitter turtle]

you never die to them unless you're REALLY REALLY REALLY out of position

[final latch]

i dunno they never felt like an issue

most of the time they just try to melee you rather then shooting

[bitter turtle]

well, that's just my opinion anyway

either way gunners are pretty low end in terms of threat level

[late hatch]

Getting a spawn of half a dozen shotgunners at close range is one of the scariest experiences in the game tbh

[dusky flare]

there's no named enemy less dangerous than the bulwark

[clever flicker]

only issue ive had with them is trying to revive someone they downed because they knock you too far back to continue reviving

[final latch]

i dunno i just do one heavy swing and they all Switch to melee and become usrless

[bitter turtle]

bulwark offensively are not dangerous but they are fucking annoying in other ways

[late hatch]

When you are trapped in melee with chaff and they spawn on the otehr side out of a door and you hear the kachick kachick kachick kachick

[final latch]

me after i hold right click

[bitter turtle]

but yeah

gunners shouldnt be much of a problem to require a shieldgryn or something to help you block them

any time you feel remotely threatened

by a gunner

you can just practice the

"it doesn't exist if i dont see it" tactic and sprint out

as long as you have stamina*

lol

need stamina to do this

[final latch]

by themself they're just midly annoying but it can get kinda dangerous when theres a bunch of them while u got other threats on you

[frank monolith]

If you hear the apund affix of a dog jumping, the best thing you can do is to flick at that general sound direction and spam your push attack

[final latch]

most of the time gunners are an issue its cuz i already got melee things on me

like ragers or just swarms

[bitter turtle]

in those situations just back up

[white minnow]

though your push is 360 so you don't have to be looking towards them

[bitter turtle]

and if you can't

then that's not gunners being dangerous

that's "you with back to wall vs 12 ragers" being dangerous

[frank monolith]

Go back to the old room you clear

[final latch]

it is what i usually do

[frank monolith]

Actually never knew this

[final latch]

i honestly barely use the push

[white minnow]

not quite the most obvious aspect since you can't see behind you to tell if enemies are being pushed but it's p neat

[final latch]

the only time i use it is on my ogryn to taunt stuff and to push poxbursters on my other classes

[white minnow]

the game does compensate by weakening your push if it's not near the frontal angle

[frank monolith]

Shotgunners squad is just like a dopamine injection in my head, aince i can see my name in the kill feed when a pack of them shows up

[final latch]

reminds me i was trying out the flamer Yesterday and i was like eh it feels kinda mid and 2 seconds after i proceeded to see that i killed like 20 maulers in the kill feed

[white minnow]

can't believe fatshark made an enemy just for the killfeed

[frank monolith]

Thats literally my bleex zealot

Stab a bunch of gunners then i look at the feed goes off

[bitter turtle]

`i think the reason they made it this way btw

is probably bc they dont want you getting shot out of it by 1 random trash gunner that happens to be a few degrees in the wrong direction of your sprint

even if that's more "sensible" it ruins th e power fantasy prob

[final latch]

i think it was just easier to code maybe

wouldnt be surprised if they didnt think about it or something

[white minnow]

prolly

or something that they didn't think about and tbf it's p much an inconsequential difference for the most part

it is pretty convenient if there's just a bunch of gunners and i can't be assed to sensibly fight them with ranged so i just run at them

[bitter turtle]

obviously their bullets are warp tainted

[frank monolith]

I do this but to flamers

[bitter turtle]

so if you just dont believe they exist

they don't

becuase immaterium

or something

[clever flicker]

ork logic at work here lmfao

[bitter turtle]

how else do they never run out of bullet

bc its magic bullets

[clever flicker]

I do think thats kind of a lazy design tbh

also for some reason makes me wonder why we don't have many FPS 40k games

like this one is a lot of fun

[frank monolith]

Spacemarine 2

[clever flicker]

3rd person

[frank monolith]

Coming out this september from their trailer

[clever flicker]

but even then there are very few

[frank monolith]

Oh 😭

[clever flicker]

majority of the games are RTSs and turn based games

like an fps as a guardsmen on cadia would be dope ngl

[bitter turtle]

only reason i play DT is bc you dont play as a space marine

[frank monolith]

Only reason i play dt is because of the combat, especially when the music hits

[late hatch]

https://tenor.com/view/for-the-emperor-warhammer-emperor-40k-warhammer-40k-space-marine-gif-16743092635714334086

[bitter turtle]

ok yes

also because the game is fun

but i prob wouldnt have picked it up if itw as another space marine game

[clever flicker]

i mean honestly there arent that many of those either

[late hatch]

TBH we need a SoB game. Cosmetics would sell like hotcakes, lets be real

[frank monolith]

SoB?

[bitter turtle]

sororitas

[late hatch]

Sisters of Battle

[bitter turtle]

sisters

[frank monolith]

Oh

[bitter turtle]

angy nuns

[late hatch]

https://tenor.com/view/elliered-sisters-of-battle-gif-19127151

[frank monolith]

I need this for my zealot

[clever flicker]

I think a game following a guardsmen on a planet that isn't completely engulfed in over-the-top total planet consuming warfare but instead more steady and paced strategic fighting and battles would be interesting

like in the first CCHI book, the city they were in that fell into an uprising and revolt would be a good setting

a midworld planet with some cities and plenty of backwater towns with a moderate enemy presence and strategic and varied battles would be interesting

there would be missions where you fight in the huge, frontline battles on the planet of course. But theres also missions of slow-medium paced urban fighting, or recon and small skirmished out in the rural lands

would be really dope

[late hatch]

Gaunts Ghosts style would work well.

[umbral scaffold]

Nvm, I didn't read far enough above lol

[umbral scaffold]

Gun nuns

[proud nest]

this a good place to share builds and get feedback?

[trim hemlock]

It probably is - do share!

[proud nest]

excellent

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9b0c0683-9062-4aed-b160-49643d2c0c6f/deadshot-autogun-voc?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

the people i normally play with
they think im insane for walking so much instead of sprinting lol

anyways main idea of the build is stack stam and use it all on iag deadshot

columnus crits in strings of 4

[agile forge]

If you want it to get even more dumb, add exec stance

[winter grove]

Is stealth veteran even a thing?

[agile forge]

Think stealth is seen as being the second best ability for vet after VoC

Also my phone tried to autocorrect Think to Thunk

Thanks samsung

[winter grove]

Ogrynify your speech with newest samsung technologies

[proud nest]

haha i tried that, i find that i need some kind of peel to not be locked in melee 24/7 and for that id need frags

then i give up kraks, and need to spec into onslaught or get a weapon with uncanny strike, which typically have poor horde clear in general

[umbral scaffold]

I mean, stealth provides the ability to get out of sticky situations, while Exec stance is just... damage. And not even that much damage.

[proud nest]

stealth isnt bad at all, zealot just does it better

[winter grove]

Exec stance is really noticeable when you hit those headshots

[proud nest]

oh exec stance the keystone not volley fire
im a dummy

my b

[winter grove]

Especially when game drops 40+ shooters you've got a ghost lasgun

Exec stance is volley fire but better

[proud nest]

if exec stance had some way to restore stam, id take it.

[winter grove]

Like it's deadass an upgrade replacing volley

[agile forge]

Execution stance is great for autoguns imo

It prevents suppression, it makes them much more controllable so all your shots actually hit

It just does nothing to help you not die

And disincentivises bringing out your melee

Which is again a survivability down

[winter grove]

Volley fire works in build accounting for it

I.e some infantry lasgun build

[agile forge]

The other nice thing with autoguns is that E Stance will probably get you a bunch of breakpoints inmediately

[umbral scaffold]

Exec stance really needs you to be really far behind the rest of your team, which really doesn't help against hordes as they tend to spawn from both and behind you, and many final battles tend to have enemies coming from all sides.

[agile forge]

For slower firing weapons you have to spreadsheet that shit

[agile forge]

Or you have to be good at killing stuff at close range with your gun

But yeah it's the worst ability

If you're just shooting for winrate don't take it imo

But if you want to make your CIAG burn with the power of a thousand suns

E Stance / Deadshot / MF is the most fun I have on Vet

I'm talking plasma level TTK on each individual target but with no delay before the next one too

[winter grove]

I grabbed it on ghost infantry lasgun build

It works well

Got me some top scoreboards

[agile forge]

That sounds like a great use for it too

I imagine it works great with hellbores too, probably particularly the MkII

Since you don't have to drop Stance to fight in melee

[gray finch]

you dont need exe on hellbore

it doesnt have a flinch on gunners

[agile forge]

Is hellbore suppression immune?

Ooh, ok

[gray finch]

yes

[agile forge]

Yeah, conceptually it sounds good for the breakpoints at least and for the flexibility, but would probably rather have VoC

[proud nest]

voc is just goated fr

esp bc iron will exists

[agile forge]

I'm sure my CIAG build would win more games if I made it a more sensible VoC style

But I like the fake-gunker level dps too much lol

[winter grove]

I should try making a stealth veteran

It looks like a fun idea

Might even try smoke grenades, what's y'all opinion on them?

I know shredder are better than everything else unless krak for niche uses

[proud nest]

they very much encourage melee gameplay

if you dont need any of the other grenades for your build i take em

my weapons spec build uses it but with voc instead of stealth

is gud

[tame lodge]

They are better now, even goated, if you know what you're doing

[hoary horizon]

Means lot to Ulgo littke one. Ogryn should always protect team. Last orddrs ulgo was given were to save the little ones. Mission come second

Met one other ogryn. Was mean said other bad. Ulgo taught him how to be good Ogryn. He listenned now he stays with team. Ogryn not main forces. Ogryn support team, by killing horde, being shield or pinning enemies in cover

[bronze arch]

hmm

seems like I cannot post photo in here

just done Make every shot count

[deft bobcat]

Anyone know why the Helbore Mk III bayonet is slapping and not stabbing?

[hoary horizon]

Look at blade, not triangulare bayonnet. So slash and cut.

[tame lodge]

Because the mk1 and 2 stabs, they wanted it to be different

Although the mk3 bayonet is pretty strong

[frank monolith]

Keep talking until you go orange

[bronze arch]

I see

thank you

[jaunty sphinx]

With the new system we want to remove a lot of the unpredictable grind that came from an RNG heavy system whilst giving players more agency and a steady manner to progress toward specific loadouts, blessings, and stats refinement.

[vivid kernel]

Ohh that's so good

I really wish Darktide had more players the gameplay loop is very fun

[jaunty sphinx]

I doubt itll ever reach it's peak again but I have faith that a large content drop can bring back a good amount of players. They're frankly being outdone by helldivers 2 in a lot of regards, and I hate to make comparisons between the playerbases and devs of games.

[vivid kernel]

That game sucks it has nothing on Darktide

[tall torrent]

That’s prob gonna be second major update of this year

[vivid kernel]

It's just new game feeling

[jaunty sphinx]

nah its great

but I respect your opinion

[vivid kernel]

I agree but the gameplay is extremely basic

I mastered it in like 20 hours

[tall torrent]

First major update is penance overhaul & expansion

Probably new cosmetics

[vivid kernel]

But yeah most Darktide players just want to walk and shoot, then they find themselves dying because of it

Helldivers 2 works well for this type of player llol

[jaunty sphinx]

and is backed up by the difficulty it can ramp up to

but this is neither the time nor place for an argument about this

[vivid kernel]

I wasnt gonna say anything else about it anyway

[jaunty sphinx]

so lets quit while were ahead, okie boss?

ye ye its ok

sorry if I was too antagonistic, I just woke up

[vivid kernel]

First person to ever apologize to me in my entire life

[frank monolith]

can agree

[vivid kernel]

Yay thank you

[frank monolith]

https://youtu.be/z0KwIax0mm4
https://youtu.be/yjRoo0iGDIA
https://youtu.be/tDb6gP0VJs0

[vivid kernel]

People agree with me now

[foggy rune]

The game play for what

[vivid kernel]

I mean... Person

[frank monolith]

after the railgun got nerf the arc thrower was kinda the next meta weapon

[vivid kernel]

I'll assume I didn't play after the nerfs because I dropped the game long before

[frank monolith]

as for now i have quit playign since ill be honest, game is kill hives run fight for 2nd obj or obj run do hive

[frank monolith]

still the same gameplay loop

the devs just turned up the sliders so now you have to run or you spend like 3-5mins clearing bug holes

if you dont clear em fast enough you get more 😄 then you gotta run

[vivid kernel]

It's the same as darktide just kill stuff and do objectiv except the kill stuff part is way worse . Well it depends on taste.. I like dodging stuff and being so close to the enemy, Helldivers doesn't really support that

So it's not muuuch for me

Can be fun sometimes but it's not my fav type of game

Some people prefer Helldivers combat more than darktide

Also I can agree that helldivers2 feels more polished less buggy than darktide but that's just because the combat is literally shoot and run! It's not hard to make it clean when it's just that

[frank monolith]

can agree, combat feels way better at DT but there is a certain charm dropping a nuke at the enemy... well that is if it does land and works

[vivid kernel]

also they got a trillion devs and a budget of 999 trillion dollars

[vivid kernel]

yee

[foggy rune]

It does not feel less buggy I can assure you that

[vivid kernel]

to me it feels more polished I encountered very few gameplay bugs

in darktide the amount of chaos u sometimes dodge into an enemy get stuck and stuff

[tiny summit]

Arrowhead and Fatshark have comparable dev sizes

[vivid kernel]

if u can call 999 trillion comparable

[foggy rune]

The budget for helldivers was between 50 and 100 million

[vivid kernel]

Helldivers fun but Darktide better '3

:3

I shove darktide down everyone's throat

Vermintide too because cheap af on sale

So I just say

Buy this game rn mf !

And mf is like

"wow ok don't shoot me please I'll buy the game"

[tough tiger]

you shove the darktide down ppl's throats?

[vivid kernel]

ye

get darktided

😎

[tough tiger]

damn we fighting daemonettes now?

whats all this shoving about

[vivid kernel]

u fighting Niki the ultimate fatshark supporter

• reformed
• calm (on pills)
• wholesome

the new me

[tough tiger]

thats what every demonhost says before they get spicy

[vivid kernel]

daemonhost

[tough tiger]

shut up

[vivid kernel]

they only kill 1 player now right

[tough tiger]

2 if you're there

[vivid kernel]

I see

[jaunty sphinx]

dont worry I also shill for fatshark

[gray finch]

i wish deamonhost try to kill everyone

[jaunty sphinx]

but thats because I like the game

I like DH in its current state tbh

[pliant sentinel]

daemonussy

[agile forge]

Tbh I would remove the corruption aura at this point, or make it attack a second target again but make it the one who damages it the least (including not at all)

[pliant sentinel]

[agile forge]

I hate that a lot of people just ignore it once it's pulled now, it feels mean spirited

[jaunty sphinx]

yeah

[agile forge]

Newbies make mistakes or don't know the map enough to go around them, I think leaving them to die is just shitty

Maybe make the corruption hit everybody if and only if the DH drains a downed target, but then it fucks off like normal

So you're personally punished for letting the guy die but not for turning around and fighting it like you currently are

[feral jetty]

I need to get on my reformed arc sometime

[jaunty sphinx]

Highly recommend it

[pliant sentinel]

I did a thing last night

Got a collat on a group of crushers with the plasma gun

like 5 of them

[jaunty sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/deltarune-kris-undertale-chapter2-chapter-gif-23125168

nice

[wise fossil]

Is Telopots right that Take a Swing is broken?

[tall torrent]

plasma does not cleave through crushers

[tall torrent]

it's 60% weakspot dmg after push

[pliant sentinel]

(I also threw a krak nade at the same time)

I cheated

It was funny tho

[wise fossil]

I know what it's supposed to do. The most recent telopots vid claims it's bugged

[pliant sentinel]

one of their bodies ragdolled across the map

[tall torrent]

oh yea it is

[balmy flume]

News about new stuff incoming
Happy to see that, though I am aware it may well take some time for it to emerge.

New drip for the new penances perhaps?

[vivid kernel]

Ur wholesome tho

[vivid kernel]

I did that before as well

[junior needle]

Well you need quite a bit of damage to even kill it, and just the attempt will lead to your team blowing a bunch of ammo/taking a bunch of corruption

If you don't have a thammer zealot it's not a big surprise most won't attempt

[lyric dock]

Better to let whoever aggro die and move on

[void rampart]

Leaving Daemonhost victims to their fate is probably the most toxic thing I do in this game

usually in quickplay, it's some bum not paying attention to tags or forgetting about it the moment the tag is gone, generally they were already underperforming for most of the mission

if it's a genuine accident and the team joins in tho, I'm happy to try n thump a daemonhost still

[junior needle]

In fairness, their sound is absolutely scuffed and they're often silent now

[balmy flume]

Silent and at the worst times, a shooter horde is using DH as a cover zone

[junior needle]

That happens very often

[void rampart]

I account for that, making sure to keep the thing tagged for most of the time

[tame lodge]

Yeah

[junior needle]

3 gunners shooting near it

[void rampart]

If I'm Ogryn, I'm happy to even just let it aggro and I can keep it occupied while people clear gunners

[tame lodge]

Same

[void rampart]

least that's how it used to be cause the threat of a daemon killing 2 rejects was too big to ignore on some missions

I dislike that factor is gone now

[agile forge]

Accidental aggro with the Kickback suppression zone is fun

[void rampart]

I almost miss VoC aggroing a daemonhost through walls

almost.

[lyric dock]

TO ME! GIVE THEM--- OH SHIT

*Gets killed by the Deamon host

[jaunty sphinx]

every time I get to the end of a hab dreyko auric mael run I hear this blaring in my head https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLFcQqFVvZg

WE GOTTA GET THE FUCK OUT

[quartz portal]

I think the more appropriate one would be "The Death I Deservioili"

[jaunty sphinx]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTiM1MJ1o7c nah this is the other contender now

[balmy flume]

That reminds me we still need variations on repair and investigate missions

[jaunty sphinx]

fr

even if I love hab dreyko

<- masciochist

[balmy flume]

I have a love-hate thing with the map.
It is tolerable/exciting if you matched with a competent team.
But an utter nightmare if either the team doesn’t gel well, or the Director hates you.

(The biggest make or break point is actually the very end - whether anyone remembers to try to do the scanning…or not…)

[jaunty sphinx]

I did it on lights out with monstrosity spawn modifier the other night and that shit was a RUSH

[balmy flume]

Nice

[jaunty sphinx]

run was saved twice by a godlike zealot but I still felt like I contributed

a ton

[balmy flume]

I mean TBH that is the sort of map where everyone pulled at least SOME weight, especially with the conditions

On Hab Block Drayko, it really is tough enough that even the worst player in an otherwise average team must have had contributed something, what with the amount of enemies thrown at you.

(Let’s be honest, dying players taking up AI aggro time actually helps a bit)

[jaunty sphinx]

[dawn garnet]

🤔

[tall torrent]

Don’t

U could get it for harvesting blessings

[dawn garnet]

yeah

[tall torrent]

But dmg roll is too low

[dawn garnet]

nah

its just funny

legit switch anything with damage 😭

[pearl granite]

I really hope whatever update they come up with, they will buff the boltgun. it's so much worse than plasma, and I'm not skilled enough not not screw up the team in auric mael with a boltgun 😦

[tall torrent]

Plasma needs nerf in general

[jaunty sphinx]

PAIN

[feral jetty]

Am I tho

[spice wadi]

it has been ten thousand years

[gusty bison]

The problem here is the plasmagun not the bolter

Tbh

[frank monolith]

which one is better

[gusty bison]

Bolter atm is probably the easiest precision rifle to use outside of the plasma (which doesnt really even qualify as a precision rifle)

[dawn garnet]

zero ammo ofc

[gusty bison]

Right

More ammo

Also more stopping power but really

More ammo

[junior needle]

I'd argue vraks 7 is the easiest to use

It has the fast surgical and also lacks the handling issues of the bolter

Vraks 3 as well for that matter

[elder fiber]

Needing ammo on vraks 7 is also a fake idea

[wanton dawn]

I am testing bolter vs plasma on exe stance build a bit

[elder fiber]

Getting positive return on ammo for headshot 1taps lol

[wanton dawn]

Atm i think bolter is fine on this

[trim steppe]

The 508 one is way better

I've been checking the shop religiously and the first Rashad to cross my path in weeks is this pos

Just good enough to be tempting but already scuffed

[wanton dawn]

66% finesse

[tall torrent]

2nd

[wanton dawn]

2nd

[gusty bison]

Ur assuming the avg player is able to consistently hit heads

[wanton dawn]

bolter and vraks are barely comparable

[trim steppe]

I wonder what revamps FS is doing to revamp crafting, per their latest post. I've been hording literally every weapon I've gotten in this game in the hopes that one day crafting will unlock or improve and some bricks will become godly. So many perfect stat weapons with ass blessings

[junior needle]

You still want to hit heads with boltor

Although true it can be more forgiving on it

[wanton dawn]

You OS most horde on body shot with boltah.

[umbral scaffold]

love the game, hate the playerbase....wish u all trench warfare in ww3 ....with love

[trim steppe]

vraks 3 is nice with the burst since you can aim below head and still get headshots

[junior needle]

Is that chaffe enemies or things that are actually important

[trim steppe]

well eff you too buddy lol

[wanton dawn]

Shooter, bruiser after some temp buff. Also you cleave them

Although you sometimes hit arms

[umbral scaffold]

noo i'll be sniping someone somewhere...thanks

[junior needle]

I don't think one tapping bruisers on a ranged weapon is a terribly important breakpoint

[wanton dawn]

It is nice on a weapon with a swap times of 2s

And again: it cleaves

[hollow ibex]

Nearly bricked already

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-admiral-ackbar-its-a-trap-meme-gif-8125029

[trim steppe]

A plasteel sink if I ever saw one

[hollow ibex]

Yeah exactly

[umbral scaffold]

i though the most braindamaged game community was from d3, but the low has not end it seems🤣

[hoary horizon]

Ulgo dislike him

[trim steppe]

You're a good judge of character, Ulgo

[wanton dawn]

Who are we talking about ?

[hoary horizon]

Thank you!

[hoary horizon]

The ogryn hater

[wanton dawn]

I think i understand

[hoary horizon]

Good.

[wanton dawn]

But i am wired to skip venting and ragebait message

Makes my live more pleasant

[hoary horizon]

Oh? You metal little one?

Make sense since have wires

[wanton dawn]

I wish i was sometimes

But no. S'more like when hadron speak complicated and you look with blank ogryn eyes

Then she sigh and rephrase and you are like "oh, ok !"

[trim steppe]

Mmmmm s'mores

[hoary horizon]

Smore🤤

[trim steppe]

Thems some good rations

[hoary horizon]

So... talk like machine? But not machine?

[jaunty sphinx]

crashed out of my game and it didnt give me the prompt to join back in once I restarted

[wanton dawn]

More like talk like you are mad. But they are

[hoary horizon]

Oooohhh

[wanton dawn]

On that good note, dinner time !

Ration are on the house. Later !

[jaunty sphinx]

Ok done with vet weeklies time to take a break from DT so I don't burn myself out, if you need me I'll be in the weeb lands of FFXIV