veteran-class

[tall torrent]

Yea, are u really aware of how little dmg they do

[pliant sentinel]

are you stupid?

[winter grove]

Does he know

[uncut ore]

this is my 1a lasgun on a gunner

[winter grove]

Gunner? That's reaper I assume

[hollow ibex]

(He doesn’t)

[tall torrent]

[uncut ore]

Reaper*

[gray finch]

https://youtu.be/xbiIYVtuUkw?si=T0rJPmF9bZun3PaO look this is consider a meme build and it just 1 shot everythink

[pliant sentinel]

I kill crushers in 2-3 shots lmao

[winter grove]

Meme build sure

[tall torrent]

Show it

[winter grove]

Show it

[hollow ibex]

In sedition?

[pliant sentinel]

in heresy

sometimes damn

[tall torrent]

Just show it

[winter grove]

Show it

[pliant sentinel]

Nvm guess they nerfed it

[tall torrent]

lol

[gray finch]

maybe he was thinking about vrak 7

i would belive the mistake

[pliant sentinel]

wait im actually acoustic

lmao

I was using the hellbore lmfao

[tall torrent]

All good

[winter grove]

Np

[pliant sentinel]

mg la used to be really good against carapace

[tall torrent]

Don’t actually run +25% carapace on infantry lasguns tho

[tall torrent]

Also untrue

[pliant sentinel]

on weakspot hits

[winter grove]

Nah

[tall torrent]

It was never really good against carapace

[agile forge]

The stats don't like, infantry lasguns have always had garbage Carapace damage

[winter grove]

They still do have bad flak damage too

[pliant sentinel]

hellbore is decent but not by much

[gray finch]

on weakspot crit with the deadaccurate you can make maybe 500 dmg

on carapes

[tall torrent]

Helbore is significantly stronger against carapace than infantry lasguns, but I still wouldn’t call them good crusher killers

[agile forge]

Too many important Flak targets though and it's not as bad

[winter grove]

I can oneshot flak gunners with e stance at least (on headshot)

[pliant sentinel]

12 headshots to kill a crusher with an mg la

lemme try volley fire

[uncut ore]

Heres how that one lasgun I rolled fairs againt the reaper

[tall torrent]

This is very slow TTK

You really do want headhunter + deadly accurate/ghost

[gray finch]

infernus never proc

[uncut ore]

here's my main daka daka

[tall torrent]

Everything else are more or less irrelevant

[pliant sentinel]

this is depressing

make lasguns great again

[gray finch]

it is good

[winter grove]

Ghost really fun

[tall torrent]

MG1a is good

12 needs buff

[winter grove]

MGIa is good wdym

I did hit top dmg with it

[pliant sentinel]

I didn't say it was bad

lasguns in this game as a whole are severely underwhelming though

[tribal tangle]

finally got gets hot 4

[winter grove]

They aren't?

MG1a kicks ass

laspistols kick asses

[pliant sentinel]

recons are kinda ass

[winter grove]

Helbores just become your melee

[tribal tangle]

got nerfed

[pliant sentinel]

hellbores could be better

[tall torrent]

Recon is undertuned and that’s about it

[tribal tangle]

recon was good for 5 seconds

[winter grove]

Recons can be good

[tall torrent]

Helbores are good

[winter grove]

But like

[junior needle]

-Crit chance is unusually an effective perk option because crit strings and free shots, and a common pickup. Worth adding as an option.

-I'd change the ammo part a bit. Shock trooper is definitely mandatory, and that part could be optimized a bit. Suggestion: "Shock trooper is mandatory to alleviate their poor ammo economy, with low damage per ammo used relative to their reserve capacity."

-While maniac is their universally poor damage type, both the 6d and 2 (at least last I checked) have low modifiers to unyielding and the 6d also has flak go from 75% to 50% (for a total of 3 shit damage types without rending). May be worth mentioning that their modifiers are either average or poor depending on the variant.

-Change "aim to waver" to "shots to spread" to be more precise of a description.

[winter grove]

Everything else

Is better

[pliant sentinel]

tbh id prefer kasrkin hotshot lasguns

[tall torrent]

Will do

[pliant sentinel]

but those would probably break the balance instantly lmao

[winter grove]

Only thing I want fr are cover art cosmetics

[pliant sentinel]

I want more cadian shit

tempestus scion armor would be nice as well

[winter grove]

Hard to get some, Cadia's a pile of rocks now

They sold scions helmets

[tall torrent]

I am biased and I think the Cadian cutthroat is the worst veteran personality in the game

[pliant sentinel]

blud forgot about the fuckload of cadian regiments outside the moebian domain

and around the cadian system

[winter grove]

Cadia stands like a barstool with two legs

Fr

[pliant sentinel]

Oh no

[tall torrent]

“Cadia stands” yea why’re you building 2 wound curios then

[pliant sentinel]

Cadia haters

This is kek

[tall torrent]

No no, Cadian origin is cool, cutthroat personality is not that great imo

[pliant sentinel]

I love it tbh

the female va is ass

[winter grove]

Loose cannon my beloved

[pliant sentinel]

male though

The personality makes sense

if you go full cadian backstory

[tall torrent]

The hardest roast in this game is professional roasting cutthroat

[pliant sentinel]

they watched the place get cucked by a blackstone fortress and then got arrested for some bullshit charges

[winter grove]

All cadian haters run professional

💯

[tall torrent]

I have a Cadian professional

I play both sides

[pliant sentinel]

"Don't mind sharing the ammo... Oh you're not? My mistake!"

I love him lmfao

he's just a grumpy war veteran that got displaced

[tall torrent]

I think they should have leaned more into the “ruthless killer” and less “whining about how nobody helped with Cadia”

[pliant sentinel]

I mean to be fair it could have been prevented

[terse idol]

More like all Cadia haters play Loose Cannon

😌

[terse idol]

Tell a 911 survivor how they could stop the plane from hitting the twin towers

🥹

Like

[serene bough]

the psyker personality that says "enough with the cadian poetry already!" sums up my opinion on cutthroat

[terse idol]

How are cadians

Supposed to stop the BLACK FORTRESS

from falling into cadia

[pliant sentinel]

Read the book

[terse idol]

Wasn't the whole plot line that Cadia was starting to turn the tide

So abadon was like

[winter grove]

Cadia is a wh40k 9/11 confirmed

[terse idol]

"Lol Black fortress into the planet"

[pliant sentinel]

A lot of shit led up to the 13th crusade

[terse idol]

I mean that's the joke I usually made, how the loose canonn berrating the cadian was like someone beratting a 9/11 survivor

[terse idol]

Then it's speaking of theoreticals

[winter grove]

I think you mean professional

[terse idol]

No it's loose cannon

[tall torrent]

Professional “I’m not scared, you’ll fall apart at the last moment, just like Cadia”

[winter grove]

I don't think loose cannon shit talks the cutthroat

[terse idol]

https://youtu.be/x2yx7gdPyB0?si=FEv2WxFXFg_9Lu9y

[winter grove]

No that's professional

[tall torrent]

This is professional

[terse idol]

woops

My brain

I'm so bad

that's so funny

[tall torrent]

However I’ve never heard my professional say that

[winter grove]

He's from cadia

Duh

[serene bough]

ive heard it once

[tall torrent]

Maybe if u have a Cadian origin professional you can’t trigger that voiceline

That’s my guess

[winter grove]

Imagine a 9/11 survivor shit talking another 9/11 survivor

[tall torrent]

It’s also very funny that the professional sounds the least scared about using plasma gun

[pliant sentinel]

Some random Moebian shit talking a Cadian

Meanwhile Ursurkar Creed in the background:

[winter grove]

Well, professional is a professional after all

[serene bough]

i know its borderline never gonna happen but id love if they added new personalities

[tall torrent]

Cutthroat “show…no…weakness”

Loose cannon “I hate this cursed karking thing”

Professional “too hot! too! hot!”

[winter grove]

Shitter knows every code

[tall torrent]

The other 2 veterans are afraid of it blowing up and the professional is just saying “too hot” or gasping because it’s “too hot”

[winter grove]

They have a reason to be afraid of plasma gun

[tall torrent]

Yea add a chem-dog veteran who wants to loot everything pls

[winter grove]

It can blow up in their face after all

[pliant sentinel]

Be nice to have an Elysian origin

drop troops are goated fr

[tall torrent]

Have a chem-dog veteran who says smth like “his gun is mine” for every tagged enemy he kills

Become loot goblin

[serene bough]

i think it would've fleshed out the world building more if some personalities were of atoma origin

[tall torrent]

Savant psyker is from the Moebian domain at the very least

[pliant sentinel]

What's the best combat blade?

[winter grove]

Depends on what you want it to do

[serene bough]

both blades are effectively the same at what they do but the Mk3 moveset is probably the most consistent

[winter grove]

Mk3 if you want single target and light spam for hordes
Mk6 is more into crowd control

[serene bough]

i use mk6

[serene bough]

oh yeah i forgot about that

wish they leaned more into their backstory as enforcer more

[pliant sentinel]

Thoughts?

[winter grove]

Finesse

😭

[tiny summit]

It's fine

Not optimal but fine

[winter grove]

^

[agile forge]

How to differentiate the chainsword marks?

I heard the XIIIg was the better horde clear on reddit but the IV on here

[winter grove]

One is good and other is mark 13

[agile forge]

What exactly is bad about the XIIIg?

[tiny summit]

Something about moveset

[winter grove]

Moveset is really mixed

Mk4 is more consistent

[agile forge]

Can you do fancy combo tech with XIIIg to fix that?

[tall torrent]

Harvest bloodletter

[tall torrent]

Fancy combo on CS13g? lol

[agile forge]

Like with Mark II evis?

[tall torrent]

Completely incoherent moveset

[agile forge]

Idk man never used either of the assault chainswords

[tall torrent]

There’s no dedicated combo you can use for horde clear besides light spam

And light spam isn’t that great because L1 is overhead

Ironically it also has lower chain rip dmg than CS4

And because it has no real use of heavy attacks for horde clear, it needs to use +cleave blessing (specifically Wrath) to proc rampage

CS4 bypasses this need with its sweeping heavies

[winter grove]

Even mk6 combat knife has better experience with hordes

Heavies are nice af

[white minnow]

mk13g is worse than mk4 h1 h2 l3 h3 but it's not combat knife tier

[tall torrent]

There’s no H3, it’s H2

H1 > H2 > L3 > H2 loop

[white minnow]

I'm using h3 as shorthand to refer to the combo heavy

which is a diagonal left-to-right sweep

[tall torrent]

That’s H2

[white minnow]

h2 is a completely horizontal left-to-right swep

[tall torrent]

H2 is modified if chained from L1/H2 to be a horizontal sweep

L3 chain into H2 is the normal diagonal

[white minnow]

id consider it a different attack altogether since that's how the game distinguishes it

the calc also distinguishes it, though it ultimately doesn't matter since their damage profiles are the same

either way, h h l h

also, the horizontal sweep is part of the normal heavy chain as far as I can tell since you chain into it from h1 as well
the diagonal is the abnormal one since that is chained into from only the l3 or the push/push-attack

[tall torrent]

Yea I forgot that’s why I changed

L3 modifies it

[white minnow]

I still consider it a different attack, just that there's no easy shorthand way to name it besides inaccurately calling h3/h4

[tall torrent]

I’ll call it H0 I guess

H Modified

Same goes for chainaxe4 heavy rev and shovel folded atks

[white minnow]

at least those have the context of the special activation

[tall torrent]

I’ll call it H0

[junior needle]

If we're talking chaffe clear, 13g is the easiest and most consistent (also has better clear times than the 4)

Because of the consistency of the light swings and general ease of use

[tall torrent]

Pure light spam, Mk13g is better than Mk4

However in the grand scheme of things, it’s not the best pure light spam weapon

[junior needle]

Not if you want to light spam everything including hard targets

But for chaffe clear it's near or at best in class

Which was very surprising

[tall torrent]

I’ll put 13g as “niche” ig

[soft trellis]

Question: How is the plasma gun?

[crimson pebble]

B-

You want thermal over charge hard

[tall torrent]

I wouldn’t get it

U need 70/+ thermal to get 8 shots in a row

[torpid quail]

Just another day in the Imperial Guard 🔥 🔥🔥

[final locust]

fatshark give us updates on the updates challenge (impossible)

[midnight totem]

Ugh

Should've left that game earlier

Trying to carry two level 20s through a damnation match

Who took turns dying

[sinful palm]

Easy game😂😂

[void rampart]

fixable?

[midnight totem]

My other level 30 was barely any better. Zealot. She got trapped and died

[sinful palm]

Better than bots i guess

[midnight totem]

Then I got trapped through maulers and crushers

[thorn lark]

do you have a build with the vraks 7?

[midnight totem]

Penance restarting

[sinful palm]

Sounds like an average darktide run

[midnight totem]

Probably

[bitter turtle]

Upgrade to thrust iv

I think it can 1shot crusher like that

Switch block efficiency to flak

[void rampart]

Sweet, already switched the perk to flak actually haha

[tall torrent]

Usable but not great

Missing a dodge is gonna hurt

Also I’m biased but I think mk7 shovel is just a straight upgrade over mk3

[void rampart]

I know my combat, I'll get by without a dodge

[slow spade]

the truest Penance challenge is doing quickplays UwU

Flagellant penance: do 50 quickplays UwU

[junior needle]

I've begun inspecting my teammates equipment in quickplay

I find some very interesting things

Auric 5 quickplay btw

[austere mica]

Oh

Interesting

[frank basin]

The diversity loadout

[late hatch]

cara and tb on purg he he

[austere mica]

I think you are going to be doing a bit of extra legwork for that match

[junior needle]

These were past matches, but yes I was

[steel lake]

force staff with all 50 % modifiers and worse

crit perk re belss

[late hatch]

where is the true level?

[steel lake]

and some low-level blessings i dont care to read because im the emperor's strongest tempestor and been cursed with brainrot attention span

[final stag]

Homie kept his first transcendent and never bothered to switch

As long as it makes him happy

[torpid quail]

Mobility is pretty worthless imo, unless you have better blessing I'd say change the perks to four square values

[final stag]

Shovel already has a decent dodge range and count, mobility dump Stat

[late hatch]

Its decent, switch block eff to either flak or maniac, you could keep one mod in the pocket or upgrade cara or either blessing to t4.

Im not sure which would result in better dps. Probably thrust but idk.

[junior needle]

Don't have it installed

[neat stratus]

You know what I just thought

Battlefield 2042 probably costed more than double to market, than to develop

[junior needle]

Mobility is definitely not worthless on melee weapons

[late hatch]

but then you cant tell if they are newbies going hard or lazy people like me who just cbf crafting good stuff sometimes

[neat stratus]

Alright I found a quote

"Battlefield 2042 budget is reportedly $2 billion"
"Electronic Arts spent $689 Million on marketing during the 2021 fiscal year"

[late hatch]

And palworld was made for almost nothing and will probably make more money than it lol

[neat stratus]

So what Im wondering here is how tf you spend 2 billion making a game that isn't a tenth as good as a couple thousand dollar budget at most indie game

[late hatch]

Suits ruining things is the answer.

[neat stratus]

Nah it aint even suits

years later and this game still isn't good, a delay wouldn't've done jack

Its incompetent developers, a lack of passion from the directors, and additionally DICE's corporate greed, which really only added to the problem rather than cause it

[neat stratus]

By this I mean it isn't even 4/10 yet

[late hatch]

Redirecting resources into the wrong places, trying to be AAAA, thinking its all about big wowee moments instead of actual good gameplay and relatively bug free experience.
Like most hollywood movies are just trash. Churned out carbon copies with lame jokes between serious moments and a good old happy ending so people leave with a good impression but no real substance and not designed to make you think.

[neat stratus]

And thats the funny thing

[late hatch]

Not so much incompetent devs are misuse of resources imo. Coz the suits want to make as much money as they can and they think if they hire 100 artists they will do a better job than 10 artists who actually care and are interested in making the best product.

[neat stratus]

Redirecting resources into the wrong places > Probably the higher up's wallets
trying to be AAAA > setting a massive budget and using about a third of it, then giving the rest to said higher ups
thinking its all about big wowee moments > there isn't one in the game
actual good gameplay and relatively bug free experience > Bugs aren't massive, but the gameplay is hopeless

By the way it hasn't been even 3 years yet and they're about to give up on this game for the next

That's quite literally the shortest lifespan of any DICE game to my memory

[late hatch]

I havent played it for ages but at launch it was horrible for bugs, destructible walls and falling through the world and lots of other physics problems.
The big wowee moments are the cutscene type scripted events and large scale models, but meh.
Plus pvp games like that selling preorder with early access so people can grind level lead means its a hard pass for me.

They also plan obsolescence. They dont want to support servers for years. They want a quick big payoff then kill the game a couple years later so everyone has to buy the next game.

[neat stratus]

Theres hardly any destructibles still, you don't fall through walls but its so bad you can't tell whether its intentional or just a bug, and there's only 1 or two of those wowee moments

The biggest change in my experience was now it runs half as good while looking half as good as battlefield 4

Instead of a third

[late hatch]

I think bf3 was peak, everythings been downhill since.

[neat stratus]

BF1 was a masterpiece in its own right

Not the best gameplay, but still better than the next in line, but by far my favorite art design

And yet 2042 somehow wasn't the BIGGEST letdown of the 2020s

[late hatch]

Have you seen suic_de squad? It relly lived up to its name ha ha

[neat stratus]

Im not even kidding, even that game isn't as bad

[late hatch]

I didnt like pd2 so i never even looked at buying pd3

[neat stratus]

More than double the players, albeit newer

However, to make up for the lifespan, Payday 3 was WAY more anticipated

[late hatch]

13.5k vs 69k peak

That is a lot less sales I reckon

[neat stratus]

Im just saying, it isnt as big a letdown because nobody even gave a damn about the game

I mean its a worse game overall but that was to be expected, so thats fair

Worse, but not the biggest letdown

[late hatch]

What about pd3 made players hate it so much?

[neat stratus]

Horrible launch, massive downgrade to the original in every aspect but looks, online only, horrible balance, microtransactions on top of expensive dlc pretty much on release, horrible objectives, no content, bad ai, bad progression

[echo parcel]

Horrible state at launch and terribly slow updates mainly

[neat stratus]

Not a single good thing one can say about the game other than the graphics look better than a game that released in 2013

[echo parcel]

Launching with problems is fine, taking 3+ months to even adress the issues is another thing

[neat stratus]

KTJL at least as something, Im not sure what it is but that's likely to be true

[neat stratus]

We shouldn't make launching with horrific problems normal tbf

[echo parcel]

Helldivers perfect example of this

It was broken at launch but devs didn't sit with a thumb up their ass

[neat stratus]

And on top of that the guys making it didn't just ignore it either

The lead developer (I think) went through the trouble of advising people not to get the game yet unless they want to deal with the problems

[late hatch]

FS gives the side eye and tries to sneak away

[neat stratus]

The very least I can give them is that they fixed them

[late hatch]

Some of them, crafting is still trash

[neat stratus]

2042 fixed falling out of the map and... nothing else really

[neat stratus]

They've made efforts at least

[junior needle]

Hasn't darktide been out longer than pd3?

[final stag]

By about a year yeah

Pd3 just sunk from port however

[junior needle]

oh mah gawd, these people in aurics can't build revolvers for shit

[harsh ravine]

Bouts get that Krieger helm guys😋

[junior needle]

Crucian and surgical crafted on

And this vet with deadly accurate/opening salvo

on a vraks 7

[final stag]

Two crit blessings is wilf

[hollow ibex]

going for the red crits

oh wait

[somber axle]

Is Deadly Accurate bad for the Vraks 7? I thought Headhunter and Deadly Accurate were good blessings when paired together on it

[copper barn]

Hey man, you have to work with what you got sometimes.

The crafting system is pretty dog water.

Let me just brick twenty revolvers before I get dem gud blessings.

Still coping because I can’t get uncanny IV on my power sword.

[junior grail]

Hey guys so I've been away from Darktide for a month, has there been anything new?

sees hotfixes only

[copper barn]

Nope nada

[raw steppe]

on v7 i would go for surgical/DA

would only recommend hh/da on v3

[somber axle]

Ah ok thanks!

[junior needle]

You don't understand, they've chosen to build them like shit

[junior needle]

Deadly accurate is good, the issue in this instance was taking deadly without surgical

If you're gonna take just one, surgical is the one to take, because you need surgical to reliably leverage deadly

And bro crafts on unyielding damage of all things

[frank basin]

He must hate da reaper

[frank basin]

Do you wish to see people should have Flaniac everywhere?

[tiny summit]

If I can play Exe MF Recon w/o dumdum I say more power to scuffed builds

[junior needle]

If it's the most effective setup for that weapon, then yes

If it's not, then no

[junior needle]

Infernus is fine on the 6d instead of dummy dum

[tall torrent]

Infernus is kind of fine for recon2 as well (if you’re actually devoted to playing with it)

The DPS is so shit, Infernus almost doubles ur output

[tiny summit]

Sustained and punishing only on my finest mk2 recons

[tiny summit]

Infernus let's you save ammo or finish off the enemy the mag couldn't

[junior needle]

You need stripped down/hit run to grab ammo packs in safety ahead of your team

[tiny summit]

There's gonna be a bug where punishing and sustained on recon is gonna be giga busted and live for like 3 days because of some error

[somber axle]

That makes sense. I was confused on if a patch broke the blessing and happened to make Deadly Accurate bad or if something else was better overall

[somber axle]

Ok but firing at something with Infernus, seeing them light up and swapping targets knowing the target will burn to death in the next 2 seconds is fun. Kinda silly spraying into a crowd of gunners and watching half of them drop within the next few seconds from the burn damage during a reload

[tiny summit]

I wish infernus could spread to other enemies

[tall torrent]

Takes quite a few burn stacks to actually do reasonable dmg and Infernus relying on crits won’t stack that fast

[frank basin]

Like wildfires

[tiny summit]

Yea. Or does infernus even affect enemy behavior or are they just on fire like a champ?

[junior needle]

Doesn't affect enemy behavior as far as I can tell

Same with other dots

[frank basin]

We should have unique dots

Causing enemy have reaction

[junior needle]

iirc burning can spread to other enemies on drg

[tiny summit]

If infernus could spread or effect suppression or enemies maybe it'd at least be less shit

[junior needle]

Infernus is just burn

So all burn sources would have to do that

[frank basin]

It is too bad fs do not changes or rework dots mechanic

[junior needle]

I think that's fine though

[tall torrent]

Because DRG has a whole temperature system regarding burn & freeze

[tiny summit]

Eh. Burn and dots work more when they can spread out

[somber axle]

That's fair but also weirdly common with my Recon 6 build using Deadshot and three curios with +3 Stam to go all in on crits with Shock Trooper letting crit strings be free ammo. Sometimes it feels like I can spray into crowds of enemies for a long time before my clip runs empty and the burn damage can do funny things

[hoary horizon]

How can ogryn help you veterans?

[frank basin]

Hi Ulgo

[hoary horizon]

Know about not being in front of shots

Ulgo position on side of door

[junior needle]

Deadshot is pretty sus on the 6d due to it blowing stam at an incredible rate

[tall torrent]

If recon had better crit strings I’d rate Infernus higher

[junior needle]

Also lack of a permaghosting setup

[tall torrent]

But 2 crit chain is just sad

[hoary horizon]

Hello!

[junior needle]

They used to have better crit strings

But uh

Fatshark things

[tall torrent]

Yea now it’s 2

So 4 stacks per crit string

Headhunter is also nerfed compared to on other guns

Only goes up to 25% crit chance from 5 weakspot hits

[junior needle]

In fairness it is an automatic

[tall torrent]

In fairness it also had dogshit tier finesse so it’s not even like you’re doing tremendously much even if every single shot was crit

[junior needle]

True true

It was like that before shocktrooper

[somber axle]

Tbh with how my runs have gone lately if it had longer crit strings it could probably go ammo positive with the weird build I described in Hunting Grounds Damnation or Shock Trooper Damnation runs but then that's just the weird vibe I've gotten from it. Recon 6 needs all the work in the world to make her shine but she's such a versatile weapon when she does get everything she needs and no other gun can match the feeling of how long you can spray on target with lucky crits back to back making ammo free shot crit strings

[junior needle]

Hunting grounds is incredibly easy because dog waves are free ammo

[somber axle]

Yeah exactly

[junior needle]

So any team with survivalist gets topped off

[somber axle]

Spray into dogs and get an ammo pack's worth back

[junior needle]

You don't need any special setup for that

[tall torrent]

Also I guess Infernus somewhat bypasses recon’s maniac dmg weakness?

Since DoT don’t scale off of in-hand weapon’s ADM

But it’s small returns there since they usually die fast

[somber axle]

In my experience it does. I've had a lot of moments where I burn down Ragers and Muties surprisingly fast. Probably still not as fast as a CIAG or Braced Auto though

[frank basin]

What’s adm

[tall torrent]

Armor dmg modifier

[junior needle]

The thing is, while yes you can fire for a bit with critmaxxing and while deadshot lasts (it blows very quickly and takes a long time to regen), it's not impressive dps wise or overall ammo efficiency wise.

You gotta dedicate your whole setup to trying to salvage ammo on it with shocktrooper

Meanwhile a ciag with deadshot gets like 50% more damage

[tall torrent]

Still not as high of a point investment of playing MG12 without exe stance or MF

[somber axle]

Oh I just alternate between hip fire and aiming down sights to let Stam refill between crit strings. If you aim down sights and spray until your clip is dry your gun will run empty faster and you'll have 0 stamina for shoving if a silent poxburster sneaks around a corner. But alternating hip fire and aim down sights with three curios of +3 Stam and all having Stam regen lets the Recon 6 take a breath between vomiting crit lasers and gives you an ounce of Stam for if you need to shove. It requires a bit more focus on tracking stamina mid fight but it feels really good imo

Though I still don't think it compares to CIAG

[junior needle]

Thing is, hip firing is much less accurate, so you are losing efficacy in the process

[somber axle]

CIAG is a monster

[junior needle]

Which is part of why I don't recommend deadshot for that

There's a BIG difference in accuracy between ads and hipfire

[somber axle]

I haven't noticed an accuracy problem but my Recon 6 has 79% stability so she fires relatively on target

[junior needle]

Allow me to illustrate

[somber axle]

Hip fire has felt very close to pin point accuracy for taking out snipers across the map

Only problem is how suppression messes with the Recons

I don't use the suppression immunity node though. I have a weird build with Stealth to break away if I'm caught out of position with the node for 90% less threat on stealth break to let me fire for free beside my team

[junior needle]

It only retains accurate hipfire for a few shots, and then it starts going all over.

Suppression gives you the hipfire spread on your ads

[somber axle]

Infiltrate has saved me too many times and she's my fav active ability now. I've been able to clutch out some runs where my squad went down and push to the next revive checkpoint. Or rushing a downed team mate on Damnation when they're surrounded by any combo of Crushers, Maulers, Ragers, a Horde. Right click underhanded throw doesn't break stealth so you can push the wave back to let a team mate get free after they're up. And if you go Grenade regen perk you can drop 2-3 grenades on approach to wipe the wave too

[severe gale]

i just prefer to keep the team alive with shout tbh

its why i dont run shout revive either

[junior needle]

That's why most people don't run revive with it

[severe gale]

yah

[junior needle]

Overtoughness is a constant stupidity buffer

[somber axle]

Shout is very effective but I like being able to force objectives. Stealth and use remote to do scans in Hab Dreyko when there's no time to do anything but fight. Or force a terminal clear when the waves of hordes and specials feel never ending

I've had too many times frustrated that a team struggled to hit objectives while running shout and the stagger doesn't buy enough time to force the little click boxes game for the scanner on terminals

[junior needle]

Stealth is a very strong mechanic for sure

[somber axle]

Yeah it does struggle with that. I tend to do a lot of burst firing to counteract it. Spraying and praying is really only fun for spraying into Rager groups, Mauler groups or Crushers to wipe them out with quick burst damage. Generally aim down sights is much better for tagging a sniper across the map but with Infiltrate and less threat node it can get a second to put a sniper or two down in my experience

[junior needle]

But for overall chances of survival, if you had to choose between a shout or an infiltrate vet, shout will be the pick hands down

[somber axle]

She's a lot more work to do what's probably less effective than the CIAG but I love her for the free ammo crit strings through Deadshot and Shock Trooper

[junior needle]

A lot more work for definitely less effective than a ciag

Which has more ammo efficiency on a baseline than a shocktrooper 6d

The issue currently is that the guns are so weak on a baseline you have to pull blood from the stone with gimmicks and talent taxes to make up for it

[somber axle]

Probably yeah. I haven't really tested it but I did have some runs where I didn't have to worry about picking up many ammo tins or packs. Groups would ping them after a fight but my Recon 6 would still be at a full clip of 107 with 600+ ammo left in reserve

She's been deceptively fun on how little ammo she needs over some short maps

Quick in and out 20 minute adventure and I never ran orange or red ammo while with a gun ogryn and fellow vets

[somber axle]

You're not wrong on this though. Without a really good roll for a Recon 6 and the right talents to back it up the gun will feel like it's not worth using at all

[junior needle]

Well you are dedicating your build to ammo efficiency, complete with giving up your curios to it.

[hoary horizon]

Why say recon bad but use it?

[junior needle]

Even with a really good roll, it still underperforms to other guns baselines

Namely iag

[somber axle]

Because I love a challenge. I love the flavour of the weapon. She's good for me, but not for others because I am doing something very very specific to make her work and my playstyle isn't one I think most would enjoy

[hoary horizon]

Oh okay make sense

[somber axle]

No other gun lets you shoot lasers as fast as a Recon 6. The sound, the look, the feel of the gun is beyond compare

[junior needle]

Take it to make the game harder

[somber axle]

Honestly yeah kinda LMFAO

I know Revolver, Plasma, CIAG are top tier guns

I have a Power Sword with Cycler 4

I still use my Chainsword and Recon 6 more often

Swapping builds is how I keep the game feeling fresh

Running the best weapons all the time gets boring

[junior needle]

As an illustration of the damage/deadshot usage difference between the two guns

[somber axle]

Oh you're not using Onslaught for the Brittleness

As dumb as it sounds I run Onslaught and the 10% rending talent near the bottom of the middle tree for my weird Recon 6 build

[junior needle]

It's a minimalist build for baseline performance comparison

[somber axle]

I would share my wonky talent set up if I was home but I'm at work at the moment

[junior needle]

Ciag can largely do without rending, or do fine with just rending strikes.

6d has scuffed modifiers to all armor types

[somber axle]

I don't have Headhunter on my Recon 6 either. Just Infernus IV and Dum Dum IV

[junior needle]

All of them going down to 50%

So yes, rending is good for dps.

But that's a gray ciag vs a fully built 6d

My video bugged so here's the gun I used

[somber axle]

I've tried rolling a new Recon 6 to test out HH and Infernus but I will not settle for anything less than my current Recon 6. 379 base ilvl, flak/maniac, rank 4 blessings, 70% damage, 71% mobility, 79% ammo + 79% stability + 79% collateral. As dumb as the collateral sounds, it makes stunlocking Bulwarks easier

[junior needle]

Collateral makes it hard to maintain headshots on other targets

Not enough to stagger them

But enough to make them noticeably more wobbly when shot

[somber axle]

80% damage doesn't seem like a big deal vs 70% damage. 1 less damage per shot, 3% less damage at range according to inspect stats I've seen on a Recon 6 with 80% compared to my main Recon 6 with 70%

Almost feels like the damage Stat is the dump stat sometimes with the Recon 6 since crits and Infernus are how it pumps damage

[junior needle]

It is not a dump stat

But the difference between 70 and 80 isn't that big

[somber axle]

Idk I feel like a staggered Bulwark is easier to headshot vs a Bulwark moving shield raised

They wiggle but it just means slight mouse movement to keep on target

[junior needle]

Keep in mind that with rending taken into account, your base damage matters a bit more than the inspect screen shows

[junior needle]

That's why I said other targets

[somber axle]

Oh whoops. I missed that part. But then I don't think it staggers anything major then? Ragers are something you would want Staggered if possible to buy more time for the gun to finish them off or for team mates to help kill them

[junior needle]

It doesn't exactly pump damage with crits however, the guns have very poor finesse values

It's not the staggering

[somber axle]

Crushers don't care about stagger from the Recon 6

[junior needle]

It doesn't stagger things generally

But higher collat make them more wobbly

[frank basin]

I wish recon had Rending blessing

[junior needle]

You can get rending from the tree, it'd be a bit redundant

Also they're already starved for blessing slots

[somber axle]

The 10% rending with the tree combined with the Onslaught stacking Brittleness, Deadshot and Stam curio for crit stacking and Infernus IV has felt like more than enough armour pen to clear everything up to and including Crushers in my experience

Can kill a Crusher in half a clip, maybe less, depending on RNG crit strings I think

[frank basin]

I took onslaught combine Graia braced auto

Alright good on single kill crusher

[frank basin]

What’s that’s means starved blessing slot?

[junior needle]

Onslaught alone is enough to clear crushers on automatics

You don't need anything else

[frank basin]

Alright

[junior needle]

It means you already need other blessings to compensate for their naturally poor damage output, while rending can be derived from the tree.

[somber axle]

Running my build with Infiltrate has made it feel very talent point starved. I can only barely get the Grenade regen per minute node and have to skip a few things I'd love to have for my Recon 6 build

[junior needle]

Some weapons have clear "must haves" and there's little to no deviation for what's good

[somber axle]

A grey CIAG can run Damnation and still do crazy damage while a grey Recon 6 will be a funny laser pointer

Same for talent set ups

[frank basin]

65% damage ciag is already bad on my psyker

[somber axle]

CIAG is very strong and anything more is icing on the cake but the Recon 6 needs a LOT before she even resembles something worth fighting with

[junior needle]

The other iag's also perform pretty well

I can get 2400~ maniac headshot damage gray and talentless on both agri and graia

[somber axle]

Definitely. AIAG fires too slowly for my tastes though and Graia doesn't feel like it has anything fun to make it stand out vs either. At least AIAG has bullet cleave for funny moments killing targets behind targets

[junior needle]

Graia is supposedly the most stable for automatic fire

[tall torrent]

Only when standing still

Moving recoil is very noticeably higher

[somber axle]

Oh that's cool to know. I never noticed that

[wanton dawn]

A fine MF weapon for crab walking

[chilly saddle]

Spent 26,000 plasteel on plasma guns trying to get blaze away 4 tonight 🤡

[old quail]

[terse idol]

[frank basin]

Smudgel

[chilly saddle]

I’ve gotten to the point where I have a perfect roll on every weapon I want on every class except plasma lmao

[terse idol]

yuhh

[frank basin]

Ollo

[chilly saddle]

So the plasteel has been stock piling for a week

Gone … reduced to atoms

[late hatch]

https://tenor.com/view/crab-knife-fight-gif-7305809

[frank basin]

Stop playing Darktide because plasteel

[chilly saddle]

Are you telling me to stop or saying you stopped

I will not stop

[frank basin]

I’m telling myself

[chilly saddle]

I accidentally took a mk vii axe with meme blessings into auric maelstrom and was fine just now

Equipped it to compare stats and forgot

You don’t need perfect rolls at all if you have the fundaments down

The fact that blinking or sneezing while using the axe sets decimator to zero

[late hatch]

deci is a trash blessing for me for that reason

[chilly saddle]

It is so bad

Nice when dueling a plague ogryn tho

[junior needle]

There is no blaze away 4

It only appears at t3

[tall torrent]

There’s no blaze away IV

[junior needle]

Tragic

[late hatch]

get the reveal blessing mod so you can see the ones you havent collected yet

o7

[junior needle]

Gameslantern also works

F in the chat for homie

[frank basin]

E

[late hatch]

https://tenor.com/view/ree-reeeee-duck-gif-15312912

[frank basin]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1067864801822376056/1216837036741361774/IMG_0373.jpg?ex=6601d6cd&is=65ef61cd&hm=89d3d95e46bb640576da3fdbdc37cfbf38e7e8b6f5950096f90def635750f5c7&

[wanton dawn]

At least he did not spend plasteel to get flechette or manstopper 3 🤡

[chilly saddle]

I just had a feeling there was no tier 4 but why the fuck not 😂

Well well well

Ooof

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/ouch-ouchtown-dodgeball-jason-bates-burn-gif-5547695

[late hatch]

reveal blessing mod coulda saved you bro

[analog mural]

you dont even need a mod

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/weapons

[chilly saddle]

Xbox

[late hatch]

Ah well the website then

[chilly saddle]

I thought only blessings with non stat based effects were locked to lower tiers but lesson learned

Like flechette man stopper sticky grenades for rumbler etc

[late hatch]

or hack your xbox and run a windows lite version

[chilly saddle]

👀

[late hatch]

or linux

[light yarrow]

Vet class best class?

[frank basin]

Not always

They just okay to sometime hard to play

No class best only fun class are

[tall torrent]

Depends on what your playstyle is, all 4 classes are best class

Ogryn is the easiest to pick up and do well with tho

[frank basin]

Ogryn is tanky good for boss tanking

[late hatch]

Vet has access to the best range of pew pews

And still has pretty good melee.

[final stag]

Vet is simply put it
Versatile

[fresh saddle]

any ChAxe enjoyers that can give a little guidance for this?

[frank basin]

I run the new chaxe

This one I haven’t use for while

[fresh saddle]

i don't really use the ChAxe much, but this one looked like a good stat spread

[frank basin]

Unless you run meme rev it up

[sinful palm]

One speedy boy

[tall torrent]

Swap both blessings

Headtaker + slaughterer

[twin ingot]

the old lasgun animations by the emperor do I miss that set

[agile forge]

Plasma vet with VoC and power sword VI is an overpowered combo but other than that class is balanced

[vivid silo]

Another one bites the dust (death by bricking). On a more serious note, it's unfortunate that Thunderous is T1, if it was T4 it wouldn't be that bad. Flak armor is fine, specialists is rather meh, but not useless. I'd swap both blessings to either Headtaker + Thrust or Headtaker + Slaughterer

Some people really like going fast though, in which case I'd keep Rev it Up and switch Specialist damage to Carapace

Headtaker + Thrust (Thunderous also works somewhat for light spam) is better for boss DPS, whilst slaughter is better for horde clear and light spamming through armored groups

[cosmic sundial]

M’kay

[umbral scaffold]

in what universe MK IV isn't the best infantry lasggun?

[agile forge]

Could somebody help me to improve my columnus?

I have these 3 options, currently using #3

[umbral scaffold]

yeah sell it and build an MK IV infantry lasgun

[agile forge]

no.

I'm using a deadshot MF ES build with it

[late hatch]

I made cookies and ate too many and now I feel like a BoN

[trim hemlock]

Definitely keep Dumdum on the first one, and reroll pox/groaner perk into Flak

And honestly I'd just use the first one

The other blessing can remain Raking Fire or could be rerolled into Fire Frenzy, I suppose

[late hatch]

dumdum and fire frenzy is good

[woeful ibex]

From Auric Loot

Is this good?

[late hatch]

[agile forge]

5% crit is good for a CIAG I guess

I don't tend to get behind enemies much so raking fire isn't for me I think

[late hatch]

raking is for stealth build imo

or zoomy zealot

[bitter turtle]

i woul duse the raking one and switch both perks

raking is honestly the best 2nd perk imo

stripped down is mid as hell

[agile forge]

I actually don't even have fire frenzy right now

stripped down does nothing for my vet in particular, I know that much

[winged warren]

yeah i think if new player i will tell them ogryn, esp since ogryn levelling most fun (imo)

think levelling its like ogryn/vet then zealot and then psyker

i hated levelling psyker

[agile forge]

I'm just checking my other classes if any of them have a fire frenzy sitting in their inventory

but I will probably just change it to flakiac instead and keep raking fire maybe

idk

It's decent for bulwarks and sometimes monstrosities at least

but most of the time I'm shooting at things looking at me

[bitter turtle]

its mostly for monstros

but its such a silly increase in damage that its probably the most significant second blessing

you barely notice fire frenzy/deathspitter tbh

[agile forge]

I mean close range damage is important if you use E stance I think

but still most of the shit that actually closes the distance, at that range it's gonna die in a couple of bullets anyway

and it's close range damage giving you more close range damage

on the other hand 25% damage to mutants bombers trappers flamers dreg ragers is really important, they're all tough and high priority

[bitter turtle]

why would close range damage be especially important for exec

[agile forge]

Because I don't want to swap my weapon out if a few targets engage close while in ES

since it ends ES

If you use VoC then you have VoC itself potentially for a close range stagger, you have increased durability, and you're not penalised for swapping to melee

[bitter turtle]

but if you're already trying to maintain distance

you're going to get even less value out of ff/deathspitter

only in situations where you have your back to the wall will you get any value from them

[agile forge]

Yeah, it's marginal either way I think

[bitter turtle]

i would. say ff/deathspitter is better if you're planning on playing very aggressively in close range in the first place

[agile forge]

perks are more important

[bitter turtle]

not if you're playing sniper

[agile forge]

rapid fire sniper I guess lol

CIAG death laser with all the recoil reduction shit

it is crazy

so yeah, I'd go at it from the angle that none of the blessings really improve on this so much anyway

but perks do

so perfect perks matter more

[bitter turtle]

well

i really wouldn't undersell the value of chunking half a monstro hp bar in one clip with raking fire lol

its somewhat niche but i think its the most noticeable imporvement you can get for a 2nd blessing

im not convinced ff/deathspitter are even doing that much most fo the time

and stripped down is literally just "turn your camera to the side to get the same effect"

[jaunty sphinx]

Man I wish I was better, I know it takes time but getting carried kinda feels bad whenever it happens

Oh well

[agile forge]

Also stripped down is disabled by deadshot lmao

[final locust]

whats the best lasgun rn

[trim hemlock]

Infantry lasgun?

[final locust]

which one

[agile forge]

Ia is usually most favoured I think out of the infantry ones

Hellbores also very popular

Mk1 and Mk2 mostly due to better bayonet

Laspistols can be good too

don't bother with recons

[midnight totem]

Everybody should use recons

So they can properly appreciate better guns

[serene bough]

mg1a and mg4 ilas are good and helbores 1 and 2 are good

[final locust]

I personally dislike the look of the recon lasgun

visually it doesnt feel cool tbh

[tame lodge]

Hellbore mk1 supremacy

[tame lodge]

The Famas one is goated

[serene bough]

not a fan of any recon las

[midnight totem]

Guess it's pretty subjective. They look great to me

[serene bough]

6d and 7 work i guess but 6d rips through so much ammo

[agile forge]

7 has better modifiers against a lot of things iirc

2 is an actual heretical piece of shit

[midnight totem]

Which is the 7?

[serene bough]

the slow firing one

[midnight totem]

Ah

[final locust]

they still plan on this game being live service???

[serene bough]

i wouldn't hold your breath waiting for updates

my gut tells me the next content drop we're gonna get is in april

[gaunt delta]

Well they’re not gonna call it a “dead service” game now, are they?

[tame lodge]

Pick your poison I guess

[agile forge]

It feels like they tweak things on the Nurglite end quite regularly without really talking about it

[wary plume]

i want the machime gun the veteran has on the pic in the skill tree

gib

[small bison]

Same

[agile forge]

Can I have the joint he's smoking at least

[wary plume]

or the cosmetics

[vernal harbor]

the war weed

[gaunt delta]

The martiajuana

[vernal harbor]

(80% fent)

[gaunt delta]

(20% meth)

[agile forge]

Weedhammer 42069

green iz best

[gaunt delta]

(0% thc, would cause food supply shortages)

[hoary horizon]

Want CIGAR

[jaunty sphinx]

finally got around to it

[hoary horizon]

Good work boss!

[jaunty sphinx]

thanks big man

[jaunty sphinx]

:D

now I can go back to shooting my autogun with reckless abandon

[hoary horizon]

This action is also Ulgo approved

[umbral scaffold]

Still no armageddon or krieg skin in shop?

[late hatch]

mk10 laspistol is my fave lasgun atm. super fast weapon swap, excellent movement, hits quite hard, has basically infinite ammo, and with custom fov it works as a sniper rifle

[lyric dock]

Nice!

[tame lodge]

Same

Miguel Iglesias cooked with the artwork

[trim hemlock]

No, they haven’t rotated back in yet.

[umbral scaffold]

Damn i'm waiting 3 months already

[fresh saddle]

i knew that i wouldn't be able to get it perfect but the stat spread was nice enough for me to take the chance on

thank you

[fresh saddle]

i don't usually do ChAxe so i'll have to keep my eye out for those blessings, i don't have them

[austere pine]

the master tests my patience

[low jetty]

any gun suitable for veteran support?

just wanna help do stagger,CC and poke dmg

[tame lodge]

Lawbringer special ammo

[trim hemlock]

If you want go play with the most efficient ones, go Plasma, Columnus IAG or Zarona revolver

I’ve no idea what “support” you’re going or want to provide, but you will have to kill in order to succeed

[lyric dock]

It can't be that bad
1 encounter later
YOU HAVE FAILED THE EMPORER

[austere pine]

it was auric and i was mentally not prepared for it

i have indeed failed the master

[terse idol]

Huh? Wdym

[austere pine]

"no balls"

the topg

smoke grenades

[terse idol]

Smokes good

[austere pine]

infiltrate

like

there's no way that guy was serious

[terse idol]

Infiltrate is top shelf

Huh?????

[tame lodge]

Zarona

[low jetty]

basicly, a field medic kinda

smkoe to help cover my team from barrage

kill mark targets to give them buff

[final latch]

smoke seems niche

[trim hemlock]

Want to take some suggestions?

I see some potential improvements to be made

[final latch]

but it rpboably works in certain situations

[terse idol]

Darn it hope get back here

Smhhh

Infiltrate is like one of the beat talents vet has

Out of... well the 3

[tame lodge]

It is, the alternatives are better but certain maps are just perfect for smokes

[final latch]

the stealth thing ?

[terse idol]

Yeah

[final latch]

thougjt it would be named shroudfield like zealot

[terse idol]

I mean we really don't have much choice out here, exe is still meh

VoC is insane

[final latch]

i like exe its fun

esp is fun

[terse idol]

Yeah

[final latch]

would be cool if it instantly reloaded ur gun

might be busted i dunno

[terse idol]

It did before but that function was removed

Since it seemingly would have Been too close to ogrynns

[agile forge]

I love all the boosts from E stance

Just feels great to use on CIAG

[fluid gust]

Hmmmmmmmm

Maybe a waste of resources maybe not

but it shoot

[jaunty sphinx]

Brato fun

[pliant sentinel]

switched over to krak nades

boy

ive been missing out

[jaunty sphinx]

Kraks are underrated and really compliment certain loadouts really well

[pliant sentinel]

i am indeed on krak

how could you tell?

[trim hemlock]

In any case:
Green - definitely consider taking these,

• Scavenger aura is a bit taxing on points to take with Smoke Grenades, but nevertheless, it is arguably the best supporting aura you can take on this build. Consider taking it if you can afford the two-point tax.
• Bring it Down! is a more consistent effect than that of Competitive Urge, but if you feel like you don't need it, then CU is also OK.

Orange - consider moving points from these elsewhere,

• Grenade Tinkerer is a little redundant IMO if you have so many grenade recharge sources for the Smokes,
• Covering Fire in general I feel like doesn't contribute that much to a team effort, unless your teammates are already extremely struggling in basic combat against hordes. If you want to replenish their toughness partially, just spam Voice of Command.
• Only in Death does Duty End - it's a trap feat IMO, it can make you hold VoC for clutch moments instead of actively using it whenever there's a viable situation for it (which is most of the time you are not say, scrounging for resources). It also makes your VoC cool down longer, which is against the idea of using this ability for supporting purposes frequently.
• Competitive Urge - see the point about Bring it Down!

Red - I'd definitely move points from these nodes

• Born Leader hardly does anything of note, especially since you have the upgrades for Focus Target keystone. This talent may only be somewhat OK if you have a Gloryhunter on your ranged weapon (ideally on Plasma), but you really shouldn't go out of your way to improve your teammates' toughness regain, they will likely be doing OK on their own.
• Inspiring Presence is a very low value small node that doesn't do anything particularly useful, unless it's stacked on 4 teammates, and even then that skill point can make more impact elsewhere. It also competes with Iron Will and Demo Team for going further down the tree, which is just a non-comparison.

This is what I would do, with 2 points spare for anything you like

[junior needle]

Smonks

[pliant sentinel]

krak better

imo

shredder is kinda bad

also imo

especially in damn

[jaunty sphinx]

No they aren't

[junior needle]

Shreds are typically the best grenade

[pliant sentinel]

for me they are

they dont do shit

😢

[jaunty sphinx]

They're disruption

[junior needle]

They’re large area disruption and knocks everything including crushers on its ass

[pliant sentinel]

the fuck

[jaunty sphinx]

The amount of times they've saved my ass is insane

[pliant sentinel]

ive been using them wrong

[junior needle]

Kraks are fine for crusher duty but become redundant with many setups

[lime gyro]

I use shredders for whenever im in a pinch

N need breathing space

[pliant sentinel]

i assumed they were good for killing

that makes sense now

[jaunty sphinx]

Good for killing hordes or a gunner or two

[junior needle]

Yeah shreds are a shtf button to alleviate pressure on you and your team when you start to get overwhelmed

[lime gyro]

Kraks r good for single target damage but

[junior needle]

2 can also be used to clear crowds of lessers with the bleed

[timid otter]

Shreds also to do damage should be spammed

[lime gyro]

Shredder is best for clearing out poxwalkers and knocking specials and elites back

[lime gyro]

And with bleed stacks it does nice damage

[timid otter]

remember bleed is expotenial rather then linear

[junior needle]

Only if you have an abundance from nade regen

[lime gyro]

I usually run the 1 min nade regen so

[junior needle]

Don’t just throw them out to do damage for no reason

[lime gyro]

Never really have to go around scrounging for grenades

[junior needle]

If you dont have any left you can’t use them to save your ass

[pliant sentinel]

tbf i run a shout build

[lime gyro]

Usually just keep 1 or 2 in reserve

[pliant sentinel]

so shreds are redundant for me

[lime gyro]

Incase things get sticky

Thats wat i do

I use shreds w shout too

[jaunty sphinx]

Like I said kraks are good if you wanna run weapons without a lot of answers to carapace. They're also really good on missions with the monstrosity spawner modifier

Yeah same

[pliant sentinel]

I tried the pgun for the first time in damn last night

holy shit

[jaunty sphinx]

Plasma is fucking busted

[pliant sentinel]

might be better than bolter

idk tho

[jaunty sphinx]

It's so funny that charging it is just useless

Absolutely is better

[pliant sentinel]

nifty

[jaunty sphinx]

Plasma and the Columbus IAG are the two best vet weapons rn

They just delete anything

But most anything works as long as your build works around it

[pliant sentinel]

MG la

so goated

[opal scaffold]

Stub Revolver enjoyer

[jaunty sphinx]

[pliant sentinel]

the agrip headhunter is blasted too

oh my god

[midnight totem]

jesus, a crusher nearly downed me through a door

[jaunty sphinx]

I'll probably make a revolver build once I eventually get a power cycler 4 sword

It's so fun with the reload speed on specialist kill talent

[pliant sentinel]

laughs in power cycler 4 and sunder 4

and mk6 psword

[midnight totem]

the damn hangar doors in acension riser. Thankfully I was a zealot with fatal damage but damn

[junior needle]

Agri HH is the worst one, has a bit lower dps than the vraks 3 but also has the weird recoil that can mess up the second shot

[pliant sentinel]

I've done fairly well with it

[jaunty sphinx]

I hadn't really used the psword since beta but now I'm using it with weapon specialist and it basically removes the main downside of the thing (dogshit dodges)

And I'm loving it

[junior needle]

I said it was the worst one, not that it’s explicitly terrible. The others are just better so there’s no real reason to use it. You can subjectively find a comparatively weaker gun to be fine in a vacuum. Or an objectively weak one, as happens decently often to newer players (notoriously with recons).

[midnight totem]

if agri had more consistent recoil I'd love it

[junior needle]

Also the high stagger value can mess up your headshots

[midnight totem]

Unfortunately, the game seems to only throw agri headhunters at me

I have three of them while having spent a mil dockets trying to improve my vraks 3

[deep fable]

whats the problem here

[jaunty sphinx]

You probably typed dmf into the load order file

Don't do that if you did

[crude ermine]

Dmf sounds like the equivalent of milf but for dead people

[last parcel]

[wanton dawn]

Try it with plasma and agile engagment

Plasma is even more braindead on switch than revolver.

Just need to find a quiet moment to reload every few minutes

[dreamy spade]

when did they add 4 krak grenades

[low jetty]

i see... thx for the suggestions dude

[wanton dawn]

Maelstrom modifier

Ogryns frag bomber loves this one

[midnight totem]

thats what infiltrate is for

[umbral scaffold]

maybe was a smooth run, but this worked very well

[dreamy spade]

Why does blaze away only have 3 tiers 😦

[midnight totem]

whats that, toughness resist after infiltrate?

[umbral scaffold]

50% better than the shit at start mid column

[wild lantern]

you wan't more power ? like we don't have enough power creep ?

[dreamy spade]

https://tenor.com/view/unlimited-power-star-wars-gif-10270127

[midnight totem]

Thats fine

[wild lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-more-gif-21856591

[dreamy spade]

I dont mind if lvl 4 is same as lvl 3 i just like seeing 550 points lol

[midnight totem]

I just prefer lower aggro

the 90 percent threat reduction

you don't need toughness reduction if you're being ignored, but I play stealth pretty aggressively

[umbral scaffold]

can be swapped with VoC btw, the important bits are WS, longshot, krak and speed aura with AE

[midnight totem]

I don't recall if kraks take out crushers and maulers without grenade tinker

I think they do

[umbral scaffold]

yes they do, GT just add a little bit of damage to bosses.....less damage than 3 nades anyway

AE with longshot is 45% base ranged damage bonus almost unconditional

[tame lodge]

Huge power fantasy for a human, part of the guard with high death rate

[cloud falcon]

How is Plasma nowadays? Old player from before talent trees

[junior needle]

Top tier

Considered overpowered even

[cloud falcon]

Weird

What makes it so good?

It was always middling back then

[hoary horizon]

It kill good passes bulwark shield

[junior needle]

One taps most/all non-ogryn enemies on lights, a lot of bullshit jank like doing damage directly to your hp and charge rate affecting light damage were fixed, massively increased cleave

[tiny summit]

Near infinite cleave against anything less than crusher, tickles toughness, can 1 shot headshot most things, answers every enemy in the game besides not having noteworthy monstro dmg

[cloud falcon]

Huh

Well alright lol

[tiny summit]

Also can't blow up spamming tap fire

[junior needle]

It just auto vents for you

[tiny summit]

If a shotgun party spawns, 1-3 shots will clear them all and you go ammo positive

[slow spade]

Every weakness of plasma has been removed

All the strengths of plasma have been buffed

[odd sparrow]

still has 1 downside, the long ass reload

[cloud falcon]

Are we expecting a patch? Or has it been great for a while now?

[odd sparrow]

but that barely matters since the clip is absurdly big

[junior needle]

Which you can bypass with weapon spec

If you really wanted to

[odd sparrow]

havent gotten a patch in quite a while

[tiny summit]

Which is like nothing since you only need to reload between encounters

[slow spade]

And you can animation skip it

[junior needle]

Probably won’t for a couple months

[wild lantern]

you can cancel animation 3 time

[slow spade]

Someone at Fatshark uses Special Weapons Guardsmen in their point list

[tame lodge]

There's another one, any vet will mock your character for reloading with high heat

[tiny summit]

Mid Dec was last content patch, dunno when the next one is. Can either keep expectations in check or set yourself for disappointment if it doesn't live up to the wait

[odd sparrow]

hopefully they are working on some actual content. But we'll see

[tiny summit]

"HOT, HOT, HOT!!!"

"Aw did the wittle baby take 5 toughness dmg?"

[slow spade]

Plasma Cannon next patch

[midnight totem]

wait, does agile engagement and other damage buffs affect grenades?

[slow spade]

Yes

[midnight totem]

like elite superiority

[odd sparrow]

havent gotten any news or roadmap so no clue when the next patch is coming or what it contains

[midnight totem]

they do?

[slow spade]

Stuff like Longshot and Focus Target

Enemy specific ones are unknown to me

Probably yes though

[tame lodge]

The cutthroat calls you an amateur

Hilarious

[slow spade]

Idk exact math but it gets pretty good damage

[odd sparrow]

yay news soon ™️

atleast they didnt say "next week"

[midnight totem]

Hrm

[low jetty]

alright dude i've followed this and will add the 2 remaining points on either:

1. Grenade tinkerer & Comeptitive Urge
   or
2. Towards Leave No One Behind

[junior needle]

We're announcing an announcement of things that will happen months from now

[tiny summit]

Genestealers, bolt pistol, new system of procedural hive maps/modes, crafting rework, Exe not being shit, recons buffed, shredder pistol new life, psyker staff blessing overhaul, earnable cosmetics, fomo shop price reduction all true

[odd sparrow]

better than radio silence

[midnight totem]

Sefoni just mentioned, that there's a blackness in the void that she cannot touch, approaching

So its definitely nids

[junior needle]

Don't forget hotshot lasguns

[low jetty]

dark eldar pls

[midnight totem]

well genestealers

[slow spade]

Or a lot of blanks c:

[tiny summit]

No leave that out so there's a reason to bitch

[midnight totem]

Understood, necron pariahs

[slow spade]

:D

[gaunt delta]

Or… Jurgen

[junior needle]

Sefoni mentions something about a crescent

[midnight totem]

Ciaphas Cain comes to Atoma

[junior needle]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/f/f8/PauperPrinces.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/222?cb=20180215071254

[slow spade]

Na Tyranids are a myth

Just like man sized rats

[low jetty]

when Felinids class

[hoary horizon]

Ulgo fight tyranids. Not myth

[junior needle]

We might as well add it to the list of unreasonable expectations for fatshark

[idle swallow]

Ah "skaven", the supposed man sized rats hiding out in dark space. We have dismissed that claim.

[junior needle]

We'll probably get a new map and copy paste variants again

[slow spade]

Just like a viable recon gun UwU

[junior needle]

If you have low standards and a particular definition for viable, anything is viable UwU OwO

[lime gyro]

Accatran lasgun nerf was the stupidest thing fatshark ever did imo

[tame lodge]

At least Obesefish is good at making maps

[slow spade]

Finally, viable recon

[idle swallow]

I'd argue everything in darktide is viable, practical or effective is another matter

[gaunt delta]

https://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2012/05/21/incredulity

[slow spade]

3 recon vets with no survivalist in your next lobby

[tiny summit]

A whole new family of recons to replace the current ones

[tiny summit]

No balls. All Exe MF Recon Vets with no surv

[idle swallow]

I should be more specific in that every gun/melee is viable with the right setup, if it's a shitpost build with bad gun yea that ain't gonna work

[slow spade]

You say shitpost, I call it pug build

[slow spade]

💪💪💪

[slow spade]

Emperor blessed build

[lyric dock]

Ah yes. The "No Ammo" modifier outside of Maelstorm missions

Bonus points if they can't hit the broad side of a barn

[slow spade]

Or no Headhunter 😎

[lyric dock]

Basically 3 ammo vacuums

[low jetty]

i like MK2 helbore for sniping build but not sure what blessing can help me save time to charge and reposition in case of enemy melee

[umbral scaffold]

...I don't even...

[lyric dock]

Helbore 2 is pretty fast on charging so Onslaught is kinda overkill on it

[low jetty]

falter definitely doesnt help

[lyric dock]

Falter can be replaced for Surgical once you get it

[umbral scaffold]

Just had another vet who didn't rez me while our ogryn was shielding me from like four scab gunners, instead he was shooting at a scab gunner around the corner... like bruh

[lyric dock]

And then replace +Pox walkers for either Flak or Maniac

[low jetty]

weight of fire seems helpful in case of monstrosity and crusher/reaper/mauler

[umbral scaffold]

Or you could just run Krak grens + demo stockpile

[low jetty]

https://tenor.com/view/i-think-his-mate-saw-me-sniper-tf2-tf2-tf2memes-meet-the-sniper-gif-26085974

[lyric dock]

Infernis gives you a small bit of bonus damage to Monsters and bosses. Sometimes finishing off Specials or elites that just barely survive your shot

This is my personal Helbore 2 I use

[low jetty]

i dont think I can handle Maniacs with this gun, unless i......fix bayonettes

[lyric dock]

MK 2 has a fast stab bayonet

Which is capable of stunning ragers

[low jetty]

hmmm true

[lyric dock]

2 stabs to the head will deal with them

[low jetty]

not sure why i thought this gun could deal with carapace ahahha

[lyric dock]

It can deal with Crushers with constant headshots