veteran-class

[tiny summit]

I actually like GIAG and AIAG with Exe more

[slow spade]

D:

[tiny summit]

Call of Duty: Darktide gaming

[agile forge]

Tbf I never played CoD so it's novel to me lol

[slow spade]

The moment when Darktide has worse 40k drip

[shy maple]

ngl biggest problem with vet is that every weapon besides the colum and plasma are just turbo dogpoo in comparison

[slow spade]

Revolver :c

[shy maple]

meh kinda meme tbh given that plasma can do everything revolver can but better

but thats just plasma being turbo broken

[tame lodge]

So many games where players just walk into enemy fire

[slow spade]

I consider it chosing between a faster draw vs ease of use

[acoustic sapphire]

I've recently built a 539 power Gria MK 8.
It's almost identical to the Columnus MK 5, but puts out more damage.

Plasma is still the best choice.

[tall torrent]

Dps is lower

[slow spade]

Dps pls

[tall torrent]

But recoil is nicer so there’s tradeoff

[tacit wren]

The bolter is fun to play with too

[acoustic sapphire]

Maybe so, but you get more bang for you buck, and end up conserving ammo. Plus it sounds cooler.

[tall torrent]

It’s a little higher dmg/shot (doesn’t change breakpoints much) but at a lot lower firerate

[shy maple]

ngl the bolter is like the wrost weapon

[acoustic sapphire]

It still feels better to me.

[shy maple]

worst of both worlds

no ammo / worse than other guns in single fire

no point in playing that tbf just kinda disappointing

[tacit wren]

most warhammer-ey though

[shy maple]

same with stuff like the agrippina mk1 autogun

[slow spade]

I miss pre-patch 13 Bolter

[acoustic sapphire]

The bolter is a great sniper weapon. Single shot damage can clear elites and specials before they become a problem.

[shy maple]

yeah fun for the memes but sadly very inefficient to play with

[tacit wren]

I prefer to do single fire

[shy maple]

or you play plasma

or revolver

and do everything the bolter can but better

[tacit wren]

and use the ammo 25% ability

[shy maple]

thats the issue

very little incentives to play other guns besides memeing cause also most of the weapons are just super clunky aswell

[tacit wren]

yeah but plasma has some issues with sniping and range, its not perfect

[shy maple]

and stuff like the helbore or other "sniper" esque weapons just feel out of place

[slow spade]

Doesn't plasma have 0 damage dropoff?

[tacit wren]

plasma overall is superior but I get bored

[tall torrent]

Except carapace

[slow spade]

Feels like it is the best sniping weapon

[tacit wren]

yeah but you can't aim, its basically hipfire

[slow spade]

Ah I meant from range

[tacit wren]

try being pinned down by some snipers and you have to clutch with that thing

bolter is better suited

[slow spade]

I play maelstrom yes

[shy maple]

tbf with any long range weapon snipers arent a problem

[slow spade]

That's the thing about plasma

[shy maple]

unless you play turbo slow and let them mass into spots

[slow spade]

That situation will never happen because plasma prevents it with ease

[tacit wren]

if they put better sights on the bolter , that would be pretty clutch

[shy maple]

just rush b cyka no stop p90 davai davai

just use mods to fix the issues with the game like wiht everything else kekw

[tacit wren]

I'm on console

[slow spade]

Rip you

[shy maple]

tbf i also play vanilla cause im to lazy to download all that shit

[tiny summit]

Issues with sniping? You can't miss

[shy maple]

or just play colmnussy and rush b blyat

cant get gunned then when you gun them down first taps temple

[slow spade]

Indeed, always find it weird people go "what if sniper horde" as if the gun wouldn't just prevent it in the first place

Such inherently flawed logic

[idle swallow]

Can't deal with shooters as a vet, I'm calling it a skill issue

[tiny summit]

You aim in the general direction and things just die to plasma

Sniper? Oh just aim somewhat close and it dies

[slow spade]

Real vet mains use recon and struggle vs even poxwalkers 😎

[balmy flume]

(Or you play a map with fog/lights out and Sniper Gauntlet. They will spawn faster than you can down all of them.)

[slow spade]

Shoot them?

[shy maple]

never had that issue

[tiny summit]

[balmy flume]

Well played indeed then

[tiny summit]

Exe MF Recon gaming (I do not endorse this build)

[slow spade]

Weapon Specialist Recon when?

[idle swallow]

fucking never I hope

[acoustic sapphire]

Optics for weapons without needing mods when?

Score board when?

[tiny summit]

Hold on

Lemme cook

[slow spade]

New meta next patch just you watch

Smoke, nade, specialist with recon going into a 80k docket maelstrom UwU

[hardy ember]

Yeah and it’s been a while since any new patch

[slow spade]

Don't worry next week trust me

[hardy ember]

Lots of us are still waiting for our hotshot lasguns and belt fed stubbers for a proper gunner veteran or scion feel

[terse idol]

We had a qol patch

[slow spade]

Also next week

[terse idol]

😌

[slow spade]

Darktide will beat out HD2 trust me

[tiny summit]

Do you retain this if you swap back to ranged?

[slow spade]

Oh interesting, not sure

[shy maple]

ngl

krak grenades are so pointless

[slow spade]

I should try that

[slow spade]

Of course, they're round UwU

[crude fiber]

Even if it did proc for ranged, deadshot is %cost so it probably wouldnt effect that

[tame lodge]

Ah yes, stack it and deplete your ammo

[tall torrent]

yes, doesn't last very long tho

[tiny summit]

3s is enough for the 6d

[tiny summit]

Deadshot got changed from %cost a while ago

[slow spade]

Its flat stamina now 💪

[shy maple]

though ngl

i fkn hate playing with ogryns

99% time just bodyblocking

[tiny summit]

Can't hate the big fellas

[shy maple]

especially when theyp lay that stupid shield

[tame lodge]

This again

[shy maple]

should just make all weapons ignore friendly fire

and not just revolver / plasma etc

[idle swallow]

strongest infantry las gun vet vs 3 shield ogryns

[tame lodge]

Cool trick, since there's no player collision you can hide just enough behind the shield to see, shoot and not get shot

[shy maple]

yeah very enjoyable to track the movements of a fat ogryn

[agile forge]

Especially painful when running MF

And E Stance

I can see the karkers but not shoot or get ult refresh off them

[tiny summit]

Agri brauto shoots through ogryns

[tame lodge]

I get it, they are big and all, but you're aware that their play style is to get in there, maybe you should keep that in mind

And you know, reposition

[agile forge]

Generally when playing an Ogryn a good trick is to try to stick to one side

[tame lodge]

After all, they are not doing on purpose

[agile forge]

Randogryns seem to have a knack for always being right in your face though lol

E Stance = "summon big guy to dance in front of you" skill

It feels like sometimes anyway

[shy maple]

yeah but most braced guns feel terrible to play

[junior needle]

When you ask a plasma vet to take survivalist for auric maelstrom and he just gives you that movement speed aura/infiltrate stare

[tame lodge]

Yo, big man, come here so enemies get yellow

[lilac kayak]

Not an issue tbh when running plasma 😋

[junior needle]

And then he's out of ammo constantly

[shy maple]

might aswell just abuse plasma

[agile forge]

Feels wrong having a gun where headshots don't matter much

[agile forge]

I run the other broken thing :p feels like CIAG's only weakness is friendly Ogryn

[tame lodge]

All the problems can be solved by lasgun

True vet mindset

[agile forge]

I think Agri IAG can penetrate friendlies too?

[lilac kayak]

Just do a stealth build with CIAG and u won't have to worry too much about FF

[agile forge]

Real or meme? Haven't tried stealth on vet at all yet

(Genuine question)

[shy maple]

nah stealth vet is just

a discount version of stealth zealot

[agile forge]

I like fake classes though

"Spooky veteran" psyker is one of my faves

[lilac kayak]

Columus raking fire ties well with stealth back shots imo

[tame lodge]

" Stealth Flamer "

[shy maple]

stealth flamer " you are very good at the game ;)"

;D

[tame lodge]

Lasts more than 6 secs, can have 2 charges, 90% less threat

[tiny summit]

"I'm good brah"

[lilac kayak]

Very good at speed running too 🏃‍♂️

Well diverting attention that is

[gusty bison]

Helbores do too i think rigjt

Same cleave

[crisp oak]

Fake knife zealot

[tiny summit]

Dunno because in the time it takes to charge a helbore I'm probably not lining up a shot through them

[crisp oak]

Psyker with revolver knife

[tame lodge]

pretty much all lasers

that's why I recommend lasguns

[tall torrent]

No

Helbore (all)
Recon mk7a

Are the only ones with soft cleave

Rest can only shoot through groaners

[final latch]

is it me or the bleed nades are genuinly horribel

horrible

they cant even kill fodder cant they ?

[junior needle]

They're really good, but primarily because they knock a bunch of things on their asses including ogryns

[final latch]

arent flak nades better at that

[junior needle]

If you mean kraks, those are more for single target deletion

[final latch]

the damage feels absolutely pathetic

[junior needle]

Whereas shredders can knock down a whole area

[final latch]

i expected atleast that with the full bleed duration it could atleast kill the weakest ennemies

[tiny summit]

It bleeds an entire room

[final latch]

yea but the bleed kills nothing

[junior needle]

Bleed has nonlinear scaling

[tiny summit]

Everything is on their ass and taking dmg

[bitter turtle]

throw two

it kills almost everything in an extremely wide raidus

[junior needle]

Yeah, throw two

[bitter turtle]

kraks are actually the niche one and not used often

[final latch]

from what i've been feeling vet nades are kinda bad

they feel really underwhelming compared to other classes

[bitter turtle]

no

[tiny summit]

Krak it attaches to 1 crusher and that gets bursted down by the team

[bitter turtle]

shredder nades are really strong

[final latch]

the bleed ones ?

[bitter turtle]

yes

frankly i dont even take zealot nades and just use knives bc they are underwhelming in comparison imo

[final latch]

if i spam them i guess but at that rate rip nade supply

[bitter turtle]

oh no

nade supply

on the class that gets them for free constantly

[junior needle]

You use them for emergencies mostly

[final latch]

id count knifes as nades

they go in the slot so

[bitter turtle]

well

they're ont he blitz slot

but i wouldnt call BRAIN BURST a grenade either

[final latch]

i still think they can be considered as such

[bitter turtle]

anyway

60 second regen is basically mandatory on most skill trees

[final latch]

ill try spamming bleed more

[bitter turtle]

and 5% on each elit ekill for even more grenades

[final latch]

its just when i throw one at a group of fodder i expected it to atleast kill it with bleed

[bitter turtle]

if you want it to kill

throw two

if you just want the stagger/knockdown

throw one

2 frags will kill almost all elite/specialists except mauler/ogryns

[final latch]

is nade tinkerer worth

[bitter turtle]

so a dozen ragers running at you can be solved easily

[final latch]

or is it just wathever

[bitter turtle]

its good but not worth 2 points if you have to path out of your way for it

[final latch]

that sounds hard to believe when one cant even kill fodder

but ill try

[bitter turtle]

bleed stacks in a way where the damage increases much, much higher for every stack you apply

[final latch]

so like soulblaze ?

[bitter turtle]

yeah

[final latch]

makes sense then

[junior needle]

Helldivers is already releasing new weapons

[tall torrent]

Optionally yes

[junior needle]

All dots work non-linearly last I checked

[tall torrent]

It’s mainly for 2.5m more radius

[final latch]

i dont have the points to fit it in my build so

and i dont really have anything to remove for it

[tall torrent]

Goes from 100π to 156.2π in terms of blast area

[tiny summit]

Nah

Nade supply...the class that gets free nades every min or 5% chance off the revolver door or elites/specials

2 frags will kill entire rager parties right?

[tall torrent]

Dreg ragers, close

[bitter turtle]

you have to land the explosion or they will live with like 100hp

[tall torrent]

Depends on if the weapon in hand has +elite/maniac

Scab rager no

[bitter turtle]

but its very easy to finish them off at that point

[tall torrent]

It has lower flak dmg compared to maniac

Not the greatest at flak dmg

2 frags will deal around half of mauler’s health

At blast center + full bleed ticks

[tall torrent]

Honestly tho, adding new weapons is probably a lot harder in DT & DRG than HD2?

[junior needle]

What makes you say that?

[tall torrent]

DT has blessings
DRG has overclocks

HD2 guns don’t have “buildcraft” aspect to them iirc

[junior needle]

Fatshark seems more than happy to slap a bunch of shitty existing blessings on something and call it a day

[tiny summit]

Pretty much kill because they'll be hit with something

[tall torrent]

Even that has some buildcrafting to it

[junior needle]

Yes, but it's hardly a ton of effort. The blessings lists are really bad

[serene sage]

Use the bolter, cause Pinning Fire works with grenade damage

The combo we didn't expect

[tall torrent]

Padded out “progression” lol

Btw can someone check if shotguns are affected by suppression

It felt like they had suppression immunity like Helbore/laspistol/plasma

[junior needle]

Mhm, I suspected the exact same thing. They'd have to be really incompetent to have so many absolute dog blessings while trying to make them good.

Just another "player retention" lever

[tall torrent]

Can u check shotgun suppression for me

[junior needle]

I'm playing helldivers 2 right now

You'll have to wait a bit until I finish

[tall torrent]

That’s fine I can wait

[final latch]

is it me or it feels like the helbore sight dont actually match what they're aiming at

or im i just bad and im coping

i cant tell

[tall torrent]

Aim with the tip at the very center

[final latch]

im starting to wonder if i should even bother and not just go for a bolter build instead

im trying to make a thing with executionner where i just tap everything thats glowing in the head

[undone ingot]

The helbore sight is actually very precise in my experience, but it's sometimes hard to actually see it in frantic combat. I swear some pings draw over the gun model...

[junior needle]

They seem to not but it could be a recon situation where it increases the spread to hipfire levels

[final latch]

but helbore is really hard to use effectively

i feel like bolter would be better at it

[tall torrent]

Which Helbore

[final latch]

been using mk1

[tall torrent]

Check if u can hit headshots accurately while being suppressed

[tall torrent]

Just aim for headshots

[tiny summit]

All helbores are good. Mk3 just has a shitty bayonet

[final latch]

thats what im trying

but im struggling pretty badly on it

[tall torrent]

Aim headshots, use bayonet to keep melee stragglers off u but use actual melee for hordes

[final latch]

already what i do

[tiny summit]

Can't relate. I primarily play Exe

[final latch]

its just i cant hit headshots with that thing

[tall torrent]

Seems like suppression immunity?

[terse idol]

Just gotta practice your iron sight aim

[junior needle]

Seems like it, the reticle isn't moving at all from it

[terse idol]

It isss a skill

[undone ingot]

Mk1 and Mk2 actually do really well against hordes with the bayonet too as long as you can spam hard enough

[final latch]

i guess but its kinda been feeling like id be better off with a bolter

[terse idol]

And also the helbore is extra CHUNKY

[tall torrent]

They made BM not work for Helbore bayonet anymore

[undone ingot]

Oh right

Nerfed

[terse idol]

Maann, the only way you'll be able to learn to to do eet, it is certainly how I learned how to use irons after playing games for.... 15 years

Not my finest moment

[final latch]

is carapace damage good on bolter

this seems okay to use until i get something better

[tall torrent]

This is pretty hard bricked

[tiny summit]

The lack of good ww2 shooters has been a detriment to growing gamers

[tiny summit]

I wouldn't bother upgrading this one

[final latch]

why

[final latch]

why is that

[junior needle]

Low damage

Not good rolls either

[terse idol]

🥹

[urban steppe]

shop was updated ?

[tame lodge]

I've been running through some inconsistencies with the Kants during field testing

[tall torrent]

They don’t shoot through more than groaners unless you have +power talents or blessings

[tame lodge]

Yes, I am shooting Ogryns on purpose

Will keep in mind

Hellbore still the best

[tall torrent]

If infantry lasguns had cleave they’ll be so much nicer to play

At the very least MG12 should have same cleave as Helbore

[frank basin]

Surgical and pining fire or Glory hunter (niche blessing) and have least 70 damage, reload speed, stability and 60 above collateral (can stun bulwark open shield)

Yeah they consider these are good stats weapon

[umbral scaffold]

it's called zarona

[trim steppe]

Only need 51 collateral for bulwark stun

[frank basin]

Never record memory down with that information

I always forgetful

[final latch]

its just i didnt have anything else so

im doing with what i have

[frank basin]

You can use your boltgun as temporary weapon use

Then salvage the blessing when you hand another one

[final latch]

but im probably not gonna use bolter on veteran

[frank basin]

The good stays one

Oh on zealot?

[final latch]

i think ill try to just get good with the helbore

no it was on veteran

[frank basin]

K

[final latch]

its just i dunno if it fits the build i want

i want something that can abuse the esp with executioner

[frank basin]

Boltgun just okay to run

[final latch]

bolter is a bit slow at that

i feel like helbore is the best

but its also kinda hard to use

[frank basin]

Which mark you wanna pick

Three mark has different charge rate

[final latch]

mk1 is the one i've been feeling the most comfortable with

i hate mk3 because the bayonet is just horrendous

[frank basin]

I get it. I stuck with mark 3

[final latch]

struggling to see the difference between 1 and 2 tho

[frank basin]

2 is fastest low damage

1 is middle ground

[final latch]

can you still one tap gunners in the head with it

[frank basin]

Idk I haven’t got my mk2

[frank basin]

If you’re on pc I’m sure you can download mod like “config loadout”to test the damage

[winter grove]

What's the dump stat for boltgun?

[frank basin]

Mobility

[winter grove]

Noted

[frank basin]

Yeah is common

[frank basin]

Collateral too but still need 51 stats to stun bulwark open shield

[tame lodge]

Oh yeah, picked it up to do some field testing and remembered why I love it

[bitter turtle]

you need unarmored for dreg gunners on mk2

[white minnow]

you can also pop bulwarks from afar since its stagger is weaker the farther away you are

and if you're running exe's stance, you get +100% impact which is enough to open a bulwark even with low collat

[frank basin]

How much collar helbore need?

Without exe stance

[junior needle]

You absolutely do not want gloryhunter on a bolter currently

[frank basin]

I did say niche

[thorn lark]

inspiring is better at the tg game

[frank basin]

On Magdump?

[thorn lark]

ah yeah

[frank basin]

I have boltgun dedicate to kill crusher

[junior needle]

Niche implies there's at least some setup worth using it on

Or a particular application where it excels compared to the competition

Niche doesn't mean you just don't want to take it ever

[woeful ibex]

Soldiers

how is my Shitpost gun?

[tame lodge]

Hahaha, lose your shoulder with that stability

[winter grove]

Big fuck off gun

[coral bloom]

Did try crit / burn mk7 recon with 10% rend and shock trooper.
Quite enjoyed it. Reached out vs snipers well.

Invest more to get slower specialist ttk than my HH but better bossing and lower skill entry.

Nice change.
Not a recon cope post, promise xD

Very middle ground. Giving it good suppression could be cool. Tried with +75% still suppress slow.

[frank basin]

Survival and cavalcade 🥰

[junior needle]

Mk7 is the worst one to use infernus on due to being the highest damage per shot/lowest fire rate mark

mk2 is the lowest dps gun in the game so it doesn't exist

[torpid pier]

lets goooo

gg

[winter grove]

Gah damn

[coral bloom]

Mk6 have better crit strings?

[crimson pebble]

Damn you gota be doing something crazy wrong to have thunder hammer and not most boss dmg tf were they doing

[winter grove]

I want to make a kantrael mk Ia build but I don't know how to

[tall torrent]

They’re all 2-chains

[junior needle]

Not anymore. All their crit strings got gutted to 2. However the fast firing/low damage nature still lends itself better to infernus usage.

[gray finch]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9b6092fd-bfd0-4650-b999-8dcc45492929/lasgun-5

[winter grove]

Without keystones AND with e stance?

[coral bloom]

feelsbadman moment. Think ill stick to the 7 for now. Unless the 6 is more accurate

[winter grove]

That's one of the things I wanted to build around

Thanks

[gray finch]

you got the vid in there as well if you want to check it in action

[winter grove]

I wanna know one thing tho

Why demo team over iron will?

[gray finch]

you dont need iron will if you play ghost on lasgun

[winter grove]

I see

Thank you

[gray finch]

also dont play efficincy go for headhunter

[winter grove]

I think I've got a good one yeah

[junior needle]

6 does noticeably more dps if you take onslaught, but only if. Neither of them are performing comparatively well currently, so you'll be using a lower tier gun regardless of your variant choice.

[torn needle]

Jesus melk relax for a sec

[last pewter]

I'm kind of curious - what are peoples' thoughts on the Smoke Grenade? personally, I find they provide a certain utility that I really dig

[novel stone]

Best mk 6 knife blessings for a stealth build?

[novel stone]

Never used it

Looked icky

[last pewter]

also my Vet build literally has me stay in the cloud while constantly refreshing my ult and it's funny lol

[final stag]

I use it for my exe stance build with highlight for teammates when facing gunner rooms or chokepoints

I'm really confident in melee so losing shredder for smokes is okay for me.

[tiny summit]

Basically a better psyker shield for pure ranged attacks when placed correctly since theres no shield durability to worry about.

[late hatch]

Fairly meh for me. It obscures your teams view as much as it does enemies, often leading to making it hard to nail bombers who can still rain fiery doom around you, or making it harder to see and stagger groups of ragers and maulers etc.
They do ok when dealing with low tier shooters but not so much against the bigger threats imo.

[final stag]

Kind of have to build around the smoke grenade with the exe stance that highlights for teammates, losing a talent point is sad but hey it works for me on auric/damnation so.

Even though I'm a filthy stealth vet enjoyed

Enjoyer*

[tame lodge]

Interesting grenade that allows us to manipulate the enemies behavior

I'm also trying to see what it is able to stagger

I swear that Plague Ogryn lost it's balance when the grenade popped

[hoary horizon]

Ulgo hate plague ogryn

Not look like ogryn at all!

[tame lodge]

I do think that 10 seconds are not enough

[final stag]

It's not a bad grenade just overshadowed by all the grenades in the game nfnfnf

[tame lodge]

The other grenades outsmoked the smoke grenade

[devout comet]

Tbh the thing that throws it (and the krak grenade tbh) is the aura and skills under it

[tiny summit]

If you hide in a smoke cloud as a hound wave comes they kinda just run around in the smoke and don't try to pounce anyone

[devout comet]

Well that’s at least one decent use

[terse idol]

Aw whaat

It's pretty good now

[devout comet]

It’s easily outmatched compared to the others

[terse idol]

Not really

I'd honestly say krak is worse than smoke

😌

[final stag]

Both are niche honestly

[devout comet]

Both are easily outpaced by the bleed grenade tbh

[serene bough]

2 bleed grenades wiping out an entire room is too good to pass

unless you want extra boss damage or armor damage there's few situations where the other two nades can compete

[devout comet]

Tbh I’d argue even then it’s easily out matched

The ways you can build your melee or gun makes it look way too underpowered by comparison

[terse idol]

Well again it's just the utility it offers

All disablers get confused

Can't get hit by any range

[devout comet]

I’ll need to try it sometime then to see how good it is, maybe some experience might change my mind

Any good builds u recommend with it?

[final stag]

Exe stance smoke grenades with the grenade upgrade and recharge isn't that bad
If you have the highlight for teammates it makes you a ranged support.

Lot of heavy talent investment however

[devout comet]

Yea… if you can send a gameslatern build of it plz

Idk what weapons would fit it most so

[final stag]

I'm at the bar rn so I'll send it when I'm home

I use either kantreal or plasma.
Try to kill gunners and your team can handle shooters

[devout comet]

Hoo boy, this builds gonna be a mess isn’t it

[terse idol]

Weapon spec smoke is hard to go wrong

Go like Revolver, and weapon spec and baboom

Smoke helps get the revolver reloaded in a pinch

[devout comet]

Ok I can see that working

[terse idol]

which you shouldn't need to reload thaat much with the side grade for weapon spec

[devout comet]

U have a specific tree done up of it?

[terse idol]

I do, but not on haand

Go Right side basically

[devout comet]

Alright, melee build it is

[serene bough]

at least it can fill a niche of dealing well with carapace if your loadout lacks in that department

smokes work for what they do, but its almost always better to just outright kill the room instead of daze and confuse it

[devout comet]

Yea, I tend to have an option for carapace though and tbh it’s hard not to build for one 99%

[serene bough]

personally i think kraks should have a higher inventory count than shredders

and shredders bleed stack should depend on how distant you are from the center explosion

i.e. right under the explosion 8 stacks of bleed, the outer edge of the explosion 3 stacks of bleed

[tall torrent]

would kinda feel bad to play considering u need to use 2 for actual killing effect

[serene bough]

i dont think that matters too much considering vets can regen grenades easily

2 grenades is hardly an investment when you can regen grenades every minute, from elites, and ammo crates

[tall torrent]

without both regen talents it kinda feels bad to play

2 frags being used is 2 minutes without a wipe save

[serene bough]

i find 1 grenade every 60 seconds is enough for me

but if you take more than that, you get so many wipe saves per run from all the grenades regenerated

[tall torrent]

nade spam is fun

[flat vessel]

worth the buy?

[copper barn]

Pretty meh tbh.

I wouldn’t get it.

[midnight totem]

fuck this fucking game

fucking bullshit ass rolls, fucking bullshit ass hadron bricking bullshit ass perks and blessings

[rigid pilot]

Fuck me

[midnight totem]

bullshit fucking never going down penance just fucking failed it again

was fucking stealthed hacking a terminal

zealot moves near me, trapper shoots at him, zealot dodges and the net hits me

so I'm stealth netted for five seconds with nobody hitting me

zealot tries to pick me up but gets yeeted by a mutant

my other two teammates are on the other side of the map

I can literally do nothing, for eight seconds as my invis wears off and I go down

[serene bough]

i dont think i ever finished that penance

1000hrs later lol

[midnight totem]

fucking infuriated

[serene bough]

it happens

stroke of bad luck

[midnight totem]

my highest streak was 11 games

[serene bough]

i think mine is 3

i play way too recklessly to go beyond that

[rigid pilot]

i always cliff after every mission because I need help

[grim grove]

That penance needs to be done on malice + right?

Then go on malice. Make yourself a juicy knife

[midnight totem]

yes

no

I'm not fucking doing it on malice

[grim grove]

Then you are the one to blame

You could do that in no time with speedy boa build

[midnight totem]

sure

[late hatch]

Some penances are really dumb. I havent done any that require a private game coz if you cant do it in normal play it shouldnt be in the fucking game imo. Sometime I need to go back to ogryn just to try finish this

[pastel geode]

Is that the journalist technique?

[vocal cipher]

Hey now that’s not fair… that is way faster than what a journalist could do

[pastel geode]

XD

[last parcel]

(evidently not shot by the journalist)

[rigid pilot]

I'm also stuck at 59, I'm convinced it's broken

[tall torrent]

highest I ever got was 53

It needs a team tbh

[pearl granite]

found this nice specimen in random play...

[last parcel]

[woeful ibex]

gonna use it as a shitpost weapon?

[last parcel]

hell yeah

it’s going next to me 6% damage laspistol

[pearl granite]

guys, lets say I throw a nade, then use damage stim, then nade explode. will the stim increase nade's damage?

[old quail]

it should

[tropic stratus]

Guys I just hit 30 on my veteran

[vernal harbor]

godlike image and gif combo

[tropic stratus]

Am I one of you now

[vernal harbor]

sigh

what’s your weapons.

[pearl granite]

install true level mod and come back when you are at level 3000, with two 550 perfect weapons

[tropic stratus]

My power sword isnt even 500

[vernal harbor]

long way to go to fit in with us losers.

stop now

[last parcel]

peesword

urine for a surprise

[vernal harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/huang4evr-heartsdale-bubblyjae-kid-nodding-insane-gif-25575557

[tropic stratus]

I am having fun shooting things instead of holding smite

[pearl granite]

I see what you dip there

[vernal harbor]

bladder cycler IV

[vernal harbor]

if you wanna fit in here i need you in here no less than 10 hours a day answering “is this viable?” and “is this bricked?” posts

even if it is viable remember, no it isn’t.

[tropic stratus]

is my 471 power sword viable

[vernal harbor]

i actually have left the power sword pee heads

catachan sword supremacy

[last parcel]

she devils my claw until i parry

[tropic stratus]

should i have tried to upgrade a chainsword instead

i can't decide between the two

[vernal harbor]

listen fat i tell you what i wasn’t sold on the devil’s claw but when i miraculously perfect parried a daemonhost with 0 dmg i done did had seen the light yes sir

700 hrs game time

Shit you not

i had no idea the parry was spammable

I thought it was like a parry then a mandatory like 1-2 seconds cooldown

im fuckin tom cruise from last samurai

[rugged garnet]

Frug no understanding smoke grenade

What do

[last parcel]

had to change my pants the first time i parried a crusher

unfortunately i died while my pants were down

[scarlet vessel]

guess im stuck with Unarmored Enemies perk while i swap ramage to power cycler

[terse idol]

It just feels so cool
The first time I did it, I just had a mental image of a Krieg Grenadier with one arm behind his back expertly parrying the daemon host, cutting it back

Dclaw goes so hard

[tall torrent]

I might become a mk7 shovel main

Need to roll a good one

Still don’t have thrust IV for shovels yet

[last parcel]

throw onto shooty eretigs

or cry

i like both

[vernal harbor]

think that was the first edit in a while i was laughing at while making

[last parcel]

we should’ve had a dclaw to parry the blackstone fortress

[umbral granite]

Wrath 3 and Rampage 3 with flak and maniac damage is good for the devil claw right? (cant re-bless, chose to adjust the perks)

[vernal harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/fuck-it-im-parrying-nuke-gif-12692186932953110276

C A D I A N C O U N T E R

[inland orchid]

oh hey V.A. proxy

demo was fuckin sick

nuke wasnt in demo but im fine with that got 2 cool boss fights instead

[vernal harbor]

love posting odd gifs and someone just

[inland orchid]

lore dumps?

ya its my fav thing to do

[vernal harbor]

"hello thats actually my niche"

[inland orchid]

na i just like the game homie

or moreso the few hours i played on the demo lol

[vernal harbor]

no like i have no fucking idea what this random thing is and someone can be like "ah, ofc, source title"

like damn

[inland orchid]

ya i do that alot shockingly

i know alot of dumb sources

like this one

https://tenor.com/view/koopa-peternity-make-boof-and-war-gif-26825636

snoop dogg in CoD:warzone

[last parcel]

cant wait to see a kasrkin boof with snoop

[pearl granite]

manstopper maxed at level 2 right?

[last parcel]

yes

[pearl granite]

thx, now only need that other tier 2 blessing for shotgun...

scattershot

[trim hemlock]

But Scattershot has 1-4 levels

Maybe you have Flechette in mind?

[pearl granite]

oh yeah, fletchette

mixed them

[winter grove]

Fellas are those good MG Ia stats?

[inland orchid]

i see 3 80s, dont matter where they are to me thats pretty solid

[winter grove]

DMg, stopping power and stability

[last parcel]

ammo is the dump right

[winter grove]

58 ammo and 78 mobility

[last parcel]

looks sexy to me

[inland orchid]

^

again i didnt need to know what stats they were effectin, 3 max stats is fuckin crazy

[winter grove]

Can't wait for hardon to brick it

[inland orchid]

appreicate it tho since i can't read anything besides english

[winter grove]

Ok it gave me flak on first upgrade

Unbrickable

:clueless:

[pearl granite]

12k plasteel and one level 15 vet later, I finally get both fletchette and manstopper!

now can someone show me a good shotgun with those blessings? 😄

my current shotgun

[agile yew]

Sweet, lets see what Hadron thinks about it

[void rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/broke-wallet-i-am-broke-no-money-no-cash-gif-24120042

[pearl granite]

keep spamming those spicy auric mael and you will be rich in no time

[agile yew]

Guess Hadron didnt approve it, 0/3, ill leave it at there

[pearl granite]

since both manstopper and fletchette benefits from crit, should I put +5% crit chance on my shotgun?

[junior needle]

5% crit is usually not a good pickup, especially when vet can print large quantities of it with deadshot (and scattershot exists). Breakpoints are typically much more important and even on automatics, the difference between 25% type and 5% crit is usually quite big.

[wary plume]

guys guys serious question..i made pretty nice krieg build but im just waiting for the krieg cosmetics to be back...is it even possible for it to come back?

[junior needle]

Certainly possible, but it'll likely take awhile and may not come back in its original state

Welcome to fatsharks unalive service fomo shop

[bitter turtle]

if it had 58 dmg or stopping power that would be p bad

considering only 2 stats on the lasgun really matter

[trim hemlock]

By the way, Vet chat

Did anyone notice Onslaught Helbro blessing having a different localisation now?

[wary plume]

bruh

[bitter turtle]

what does it say now

[bitter turtle]

oh

name change

that's actually good

[trim hemlock]

I wonder why it was changed

[bitter turtle]

cause we already have onslaught

on the tree

makes it annoying to tlak about

cause if u tell someone "run onslaught" you dont want them to run onslaught in the tree

[trim hemlock]

If anything, I’d change the name of Onslaught, the skill

[bitter turtle]

that's fair

either one could have been changed

[trim hemlock]

In the end it’s the same blessing

[bitter turtle]

ye

just its better to have things named differently

2 onslaughts made it annoying to suggest

esp since tree onlsuaght is awful on helbore

[wary plume]

@junior needle no idea why they dont keep these iconic sets...more money for them no?

[bitter turtle]

fomo

[trim hemlock]

There’s still a Psyker skill called “Precognition”

[trim hemlock]

I imagine it’d be harder to support a shop in which you just buy what you want and don’t consider any other sets

[wary plume]

riight makes sense ye

man still come on fatshark

some news

[trim hemlock]

Selling iconic sets is just not in the best interest, at least in my view (I don’t support it, I’m just trying to understand why they do so)

[bitter turtle]

they clearly manipulate the availablility for fomo

i thihnk the worst incident

was

the scion helmet ppl wanted real bad

[wary plume]

how long has it been since their vacation?

[bitter turtle]

they sold hte helmet alone but it doesnt fit well with most f2p sets

[wary plume]

almost 2 months no

[bitter turtle]

so they stuck a full set in that ISNT the scion set but works kinda-ok with the helmet

so ppl are tempted to buy the scion helmet + the other set

[trim hemlock]

Well, a month, a month and a half? They are certainly working on something.

[bitter turtle]

and then later when they release the scion armor

those ppl will by the scion armor too

[wary plume]

funny how you cant get the helmet thats on the vet on loading screen lol

[trim hemlock]

We probably will learn what it is in the upcoming weeks

[bitter turtle]

and they got u to buy an extra set that u didnt want kek

[wary plume]

too real

but i remember staring at the krieg set and being like hmmm.. should i buy it?

i wasnt playing it that much back then

i played it a bit after release but the game was like...unfinished

[junior needle]

Krieg set came out after unofficial early access ended

[wanton dawn]

So the game did get more difficult since hotfix

Special spawn is unrelenting

[trim hemlock]

Hab Dreyko is once again a nightmare

Either do the end event quickly, or be swallowed by the tide

[wanton dawn]

Havent done it yet

Just went out of a no ammo

Way more sniper, bomber, dogs

And fucked up dh spawn

All enemies camp the dh now

[lyric dock]

Or pray you have a really strong anti-horde clearer in your squad

[trim hemlock]

Of all the events in the game, Hab Dreyko finale is the one that is most RNG reliant of all

It’s that one event on which I will never properly predict what spawns when

You suddenly have a rager wave. Oh, look, another rager wave. Nothing. Rager wave, shotgunner/shooter wave, ANOTHER rager wave consecutively

This doesn’t happen on other events, they have distinct pacing for what spawns when, and from where

Hab Dreyko is off hinges with the timers

[lyric dock]

While you have 2 or 3 bombers raining bombs down

And 1 sniper taking pot shots at you

[trim hemlock]

It would be fine if there also weren’t like 4 active horde spawn points, but there are, and in a relatively small area

It’s a complex event

And you can also get the same RNG in the escape sequence

Escape sequence? More like, fight for your life sequence

[lyric dock]

The escape sequence is my favorite part of Hab Dreyko

Because it is "Every has long since gone to shit and get the hell out of there"

I wish we get more Escape sequences

[trim hemlock]

Again, I don’t have the problem with the event, but with how many RNG-based elements there is, it makes for a relatively stressful experience with pick-up quick play groups

If one person dies in that event, you likely will have to stall

[lyric dock]

HISTG Dreyko missions is just...Cluster fuck

[trim hemlock]

Two or more is a wipe if you don’t have any clutch tools

And/or the pacing doesn’t stop due to stress accumulation

[lyric dock]

It is times I do wish if you have a LMS situation the game calm downs on spawns for a bit

[trim hemlock]

It typically does. Sometimes it doesn’t, and it feels like a bad gamble to lose if it doesn’t

[lyric dock]

Or you're finally saving your team and .1 second off before you can save them. Pox pound or Trapper jump scare

Pox hound doesn't need to hit. Its mere presence is enough to throw you off your attempt and fuck you over

[elder fiber]

I like how fucked up hab dreyko is

I'll take that over refinery where it still usually turns into mashing on spawn doors

[tame lodge]

Yeah, having to stop the rez to push the dog is annoying

[balmy flume]

I still remember a pox hound landing shove pushing me off a ledge…

[tame lodge]

I like how they look static while airborne

[elder garden]

i so badly want a hellgun and a full kasakin outfit

[junior needle]

You have a hellgun at home

[austere pine]

i know why i became a vet main

the zealot chat is so bad

[tame lodge]

Just zealot things

But as a zealot main, yeah

[hoary horizon]

BOSS ULGO HAVE QUESHION

[foggy rune]

[hoary horizon]

Ogryn chat bestest!

[austere pine]

what do you need, big man?

[hoary horizon]

So Ulgo need know if veteran need help with hordes. Not really horde clearing, not as good as ogryn or shouty

Just so Ulgo know who to protec more

[foggy rune]

Well it depends on the skill of the vet and zealot

[austere pine]

help the psyker. we usually have grenades to deal with hordes

[hoary horizon]

Ok. Ulgo always look after little ones

[foggy rune]

Don't listen to the traitor big man

[junior needle]

Vet players often bad at melee, shoot into hordes with gun to not have to use melee weapon

[hoary horizon]

Ok. Ulgo got it

[junior needle]

Recon lasgun always mean bad at melee

Have to protect them the most

[austere pine]

recon lasgungs alwawys mean bad at gun

[hoary horizon]

Little ones not good at melee like Ogryn. So Ulgo kill them before they reach team

[foggy rune]

Help priorities might be Psyker, zealot, then vet?

[hoary horizon]

Psyker if horde close

[void rampart]

Dipping back into Heresy Maelstrom for dockets, I always take the recon along

[hoary horizon]

Zealot. Not need horde clearer too. Most of time

[austere pine]

all depends on what everyone is using, but psyker needs the most specific setup to deal with hordes, zealots often take hammer and vets can just grenade or shoot into hordes

[foggy rune]

Actually haven't seen many hammer zealots

[tame lodge]

Smite psykers will stop casting if hit, watch him

[austere pine]

good smite psykers don't get hit

[tame lodge]

True

[hoary horizon]

Yes boss

[austere pine]

like, if only one enemy is attacking you instead of 55, it's easy to just dash away

push comes to shove and it's some rager, you push away and re-smite

[hoary horizon]

Ok. If too many Ulgo jump to save

[foggy rune]

Wait when you say save do you mean knocked down or being overwhelmed?

[tame lodge]

It's usually an enemy attacking from behind, if the psyker isn't paying attention, it'll hit

[hoary horizon]

Both. Overwhelmed mean too many yes? Then if overwhelmed

[foggy rune]

If your team is being overwhelmed best to help the psyker and vet first

If they need revived zealot and psyker first

But it also depends on what they are using and skill level so pay attention to that as well

[hoary horizon]

Yes boss. Ulgo take note.

[serene bough]

same i hope they keep it that way

non-stop volume of enemies

kind of makes sense too considering its a hab

[foggy rune]

Also the reason for the priorities is because Zealot should be able to regroup with you in a hoard (ideally)

And for the revives zealots and ogryns first because they are best suited for melee combat if multiple players are downed

[hoary horizon]

Agreed

[foggy rune]

Unless one of the players are an absolute wizard at their chosen class best to help the crazy good players first

[late hatch]

Sometimes I just wanna 420 blaze it with my c5 or something

[junior needle]

At least it's not a r*con

And you're using a gun with actual good dps and ammo efficiency

[foggy rune]

The zealot and ogryn mains watching the vet charge into melee range and get absolutely clapped by maulers and rangers

[tame lodge]

The vet watching the psyker and the ogryn walking into enemy fire

[late hatch]

Can always whip out the mk6 ps with pc4 and deal with things if I run out of nades and dont have shout up.

[foggy rune]

Yeah I'm just making fun of the overconfident player

[late hatch]

Ogryn went from my most played to least played since the talent tree release. Though the shield is better and its a bit of fun to run glugger every now and then, I always feel like I get focussed too hard playing ogryn now.
Plus shouty vet or preacher offer so much team utility, just wish the scoreboard included total shields and damage shielded.

[tame lodge]

You get a lot of utility value by running attention seeker

[golden mirage]

ogryn is my least played too, I just dont know how to deal with ranged enemies, always get melted

[tame lodge]

Not to mention that you're unstoppable when reviving, auspexing...

[late hatch]

Taunt on block talent with a shield helps a lot, but relegates you to sitting behind your shield and hoping other people know how to play around it, which they often either dont know or dont care.

And a good gorg stubber or ripper offers decent solution to ranged as long as you can get to mid range, but long range you can only really use the single shot nade launcher.
But yeah its my biggest complaint with ogryn play is I feel so reliant on other people to handle ranged while I beat things up in melee or taunt stuff.

[junior needle]

Achlys isn’t a bad take for shooter duty even if you aren’t running a glugger setup

Kickback is also fine-ish albeit primarily for doing revolver things, still handles snipers in 2 shots

[elder fiber]

mk5 ripper does good vs p long range, you just gotta be able to control recoil and be conservative with it sometimes

kickback seems like its low ammo ag aglance but feels like it has way more b/c its kill breakpionts and spread are way better than any other shotgun

[slow spade]

Kickback need buff

[trim hemlock]

PS needs a nerf

[shadow aurora]

Lets nerf recon while were at it

[elder fiber]

make recons do literally 0 damage and see how many recon players notice

[tame lodge]

Vile, I love it

[shadow aurora]

Half the damage comes from fire any way

[austere pine]

i did notice this in my early days, too. until i got infernus, the gun was doing really terrible. then i wanted to make a crit-focused build but realized that i really don't want to do that when the revolver is right there and doesn't need a full build centered around it to pull its weight. this is how i realized recon is garbage

[slow spade]

"Shocktrooper was accidentally found working for Recon- Fixed"

[late hatch]

Yeah but the rapid fire lasgun makes up for its lack of damage with pure cool factor

Nothing feels quite as sweet as spraying down enemies with the recons

[austere pine]

you can pick up a graia brauto

[late hatch]

the brautos and c5 are similar but they arent lasguns. Lots of games have ARs and machine guns, not many games have good lasguns.

[austere pine]

any other lasgun is a good lasgun

the most typical one is the infantry one

recons were a new thing to me in darktide

[junior needle]

Literally just use the pewpew mod and nearly anything else is a better recon

[late hatch]

Yeah the mk10 laspistol is my most used on vet atm. But it isnt the same.

[tame lodge]

The sound is just chef's kiss

[serene bough]

the sound is nice, but once you realize youre shooting nerf darts and taking half a clip to kill two ragers you're quickly taken out of it

[late hatch]

ill play malice just to enjoy the weapon

or just be a burden in damnation

[wanton dawn]

Why everytime I need to clutch rez someone it is always the fucker that is afk dead ?

Litteral waste of a slot

At least a bot would be usefu;

[late hatch]

I may have been guilty of going for a piss when I go down and dont expect to get reved 😂

[junior needle]

Hopefully the immense amount of bitching I've done about them will result in them being made good at some point

[coral bloom]

I think generalist weapons will always be seen as very bad by gamers.
Honestly can't see people in this discord viewing recons as anything else than either OP or shit.

[junior needle]

They added mechs in helldivers 2 already

No one thinks they're OP currently

It's not the fact that they're generalist weapons, it's the fact that they're very undertuned numerically

Poor ammo efficiency, poor dps compared even to IAG's in general, not just columnuts

[brittle falcon]

imagine hellgun

[lucid pasture]

Hotshot lasgun and scion set, where are you

[wanton dawn]

I really enjoy bolter after the hotfix

I think the increased ranged elite and special spawn helps a lot

[echo parcel]

I hate the random sway, deadshot helps but I just cant get used to it

[wanton dawn]

Well, I have probably 500h of bolter

[terse idol]

Heard people complained the glass cannon weapon was weak

Waaa

I can't handle it

[junior needle]

hwat

[terse idol]

Yeah I dunno, apparently it can't take a Bile titan puke (which makes sense) or a charger charge

[junior needle]

Oh, we were talking about recawns

[terse idol]

Oh lol

[junior needle]

I only tried the mech in one defend mission

[echo parcel]

Recon good enough to use in highest tier of difficulty

[junior needle]

Needs a way to refill ammo

[echo parcel]

thats all I will say

[junior needle]

Anything can be used, that doesn't mean it's not worse than other options

I can take a brutal-less rashad into auric 5's right now

RIGHT

MEOW

and probably win

[last parcel]

meow

[echo parcel]

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/imperial-guard-cat-warhammer40k-gif-23254825

[echo parcel]

Soldier we were at this for a while a few days ago lmao

I think let's not retread same discussion

[junior needle]

I will take a recon mk2 and a flesh tearer lacerate knife into auric 5's right now, and make my character the shortest height possible to ensure all bodyshots

recon mk2 dps looks like this btw

Worst gun in the game

Guarantee I won't do the worst on the team

[void rampart]

this is what happens when brunt accidentally swaps the battery pack for the glowstick he heated up in the microwave

[coral bloom]

Im not saying anyone thinks recons are OP, im saying most people think they suck.

I believe they are generalist weapons. If they are buffed to the point people didnt think they suck, they would either be buffed to be OP (remain generalist, but now good against everything) or they would still suck (be viable generalist, but always worse than the better alternative in any situation)

[echo parcel]

Honestly good take

[wanton dawn]

Recon are pretty boring gun if you think about it. Besides damage what do they bring to the table ?

No suppression, no cleave

No cover pen

[echo parcel]

The only interesting thing they had going for them was infernus, but they gutted it sooo...

[void rampart]

How recent was infernus gutted?

[coral bloom]

This is me running yesterdays maelstrom. Had ogryns, some eviscarator zealot, some purgatus psyker and surge psyker I think.

Not amazing but either these players where shit, im great or recons are viable.
I lean towards recon viable having played games with myself in and with those randoms xD

[junior needle]

Thing is, this assumes there's absolutely no nuance in balancing. You can have recons sit in the slot of generalist assault rifle weapon and be good, but not great at max skillcap. Maybe match iag body shot dps and have a notably deeper ammo pool, but not have the amazing finesse damage.

[wanton dawn]

Beta days

[void rampart]

oof

Mine still gets the job done but it feels like you're fighting the gun the entire time

[terse idol]

The issue is that recon being generalist doesn't make up for the fact that... many iag's are generalist weapons that are better than the recon

[coral bloom]

Lack of suppression sucks. It would make sense they suppress alot with visible shots and high rof. Could see that being a nice niche for them.

[junior needle]

This is a theoretical situation in which we hypothesize they weren't shit

Yeah let's not have the power budget for the weapon be "laser light show that does no damage and also scatters shooters making them harder for me to deal with on my zealot"

[echo parcel]

I lean more towards the recons being viable, as they are able to do the important things a gun is supposed to do to be used in aurics

[echo parcel]

Recons supress if you take the 50 suppression node

[junior needle]

Subjective performance =/= objective measureable performance. Also there's a sizable power gap between variants.

[tall torrent]

I put mk2 as weak, Mk6d and Mk7a as niche

[junior needle]

You have that game, and I have this game

[coral bloom]

Finesse multipliers too low, dpm too low. Fast switch, hits out very accurate at range. This meme crit / burn mk7 recon has been pretty sweet for killing snipers.
I just think if it would be buffed in the way it seems people want it would just be OP and then nerfed again.
Then again people like seasonal gameplay for content so why no have the annual buff / nerf of recons xD

[echo parcel]

mk7 in my eyes is miles above the other variants

but I'm probably biased and the 6 has some uses

[junior needle]

I think you are pretty biased, no offence

[void rampart]

Damn I wanna hear what mk7 you have cause the mk7 scarred me away from those guns for ages

[echo parcel]

hol up lemme pull up my darktide

[coral bloom]

Tried the 25% (must take for 50%) and 50% node. Still had to shoot alot to suppress. Then again I havent compared it (suppression) to other guns either really so it may just be middling

[junior needle]

They can suppress without the node, it just takes a bunch of shots

mk7 is #2 in dps if you account for onslaught and rending strikes

6d has the highest theoretical but relies more on onslaught

[coral bloom]

Generally one shoots to kill not suppress. And yes it can be annoying, esp when you suppress gunners back into cover and cant hit them anymore because the TTK vs suppression leans towards suppression winning. With my HH they just die instead.

[junior needle]

7 has the most without rending taken into account

Due to not having scuffed modifiers across the board

Viable is also a loaded term because technically anything that can actually be used can semantically be argued to be viable, even if it's objectively bad

[raw steppe]

Usually when you post a game

You post one where you did well

Rather than one you got carried in

If you're trying to make a point lmao

[echo parcel]

this is the one i use in my build

[junior needle]

Mhm, that's another issue

[coral bloom]

I did 2 yesterday maelstroms with it in a row and posted the results. Make of it what you will.

[raw steppe]

I dont really care

I'm just telling u

Why its funny to me

[coral bloom]

Then why post xD

[foggy rune]

Leave that to the zealots

[inland orchid]

This I see is a good reason for me not to get cool stat board mod, can’t be cocky if I don’t know my numbers

[junior needle]

There's random variance and player skill, and then player bias

[coral bloom]

Your opinions is noted, thank you. Anyway what where we talking about? Stupid zoomers?

[junior needle]

Which makes posting scoreboards a very unreliable method of actually determining objective performance

[raw steppe]

The funnier thing is that

Those scoreboards he didnt actually do well in LOL

[inland orchid]

Oh ya for sure, I don’t think they can track shit like taunt debuff or debuff afflicted so I assume a lot of support builds fall by the wayside

[coral bloom]

I struggle with dumdum, find I generally use ranged on further distance anyway. Want HH / infernus for that.

[wanton dawn]

THe hell is happening here

[raw steppe]

But thats irrelevant to the point lol

[junior needle]

dumdum is better for the 7

[echo parcel]

Unfortunately, we don't have much better unless you compile tens to 100s of your games into spreadsheet

[terse idol]

DD procs at all range

There is no close range with DD unless they fixed it

[junior needle]

You can measure practical/objective performance in the psyk by comparing guns on a baseline (or built too). As well as ammo efficiency mathematically.

[coral bloom]

Why is it unreliable? You do a maelstrom and can contribute meaningfully to the team. IE viable.
Then we take it further with "gun is shit" that implies the game results would be alot better with an actually viable gun.

[terse idol]

It's been tested it's not that hard

[terse idol]

The game results would be better with a plasma gun

Or a ciag

Or another gun

[coral bloom]

Think there is win loss datamined or something for weapons. But still many mechanically very good players to tend gravitate towards stronger weapons anyway

[terse idol]

That's the thing

[tall torrent]

I think if u want scoreboard to be more viable it’s better to be a full 4 man team so u can see how well it’s really holding up in a better controlled environment

[junior needle]

Why is subjective performance based on many varying factors outside of actual weapon performance unreliable for determining actual weapon performance?
Hmmmmm, that's a tough one to figure out

[terse idol]

Like theoretically you're better off building a better weapon because you get more fire power from building any other gun, besides a few outliers, than building for a good recon

[echo parcel]

Psyk testing will only give you general baseline of a gun, you might be getting those insane numbers for some weapons in the psykhanium (like people were glazing the agri revolver) but perfomance in an actual game can vary wildly from the psykhanium

[coral bloom]

Yes of course, im not arguing that. Just the viable thing really, and how to balance a generalist weapon when zoomers can only think "duhr X in optimal scenario number highest duhr".

IM not jealous of those balancing games for that xD

[tall torrent]

The agripinaa revolver “glaze” is with a meme build that takes every single +dmg talent

[junior needle]

This can happen, yes, but is not necessarily the case. Recons and IAG's are a relatively easy comparison.

[terse idol]

When you build a recon you're building it to get a baseline of a "good" weapon
You build other guns to a god roll and you get strong weapons
My identifiers don't mean much but all I'm saying is you're taking more energy to build a crappy gun to an okay level
When you could use that energy to make a good gun, great

[coral bloom]

I see people here posting videos of your "proper testing". That involves magdumping crushers or maniacs. Like that is effective way to spend time with your kit if you bring a recon. Those tests dont map to reality well, either.

[terse idol]

Hmm? How so?

The reality in auric is you're gonna get rows of crushers

Not just 1

[tall torrent]

Maniac DPS matters because you’re going to be shooting at Dreg ragers, trappers & flamers

[terse idol]

Honestly 1 crusher test is flattering

[junior needle]

They're dps measurements? I fail to see how showing that one gun does 2-4x the damage of another isn't a relevant thing to show.

[coral bloom]

Because recons suck vs maniac and are meh against crushers IF you invest in rending so its not efficient use of the weapon. IE you should be targetting other enemies if there exist any.

[terse idol]

If your weapon can't handle maniacs

OH boy

Or crushers

[tall torrent]

But veteran should be shooting at specialists (except mutants)?

[void rampart]

So what you're saying is I'm taking my stripped down ghost autopistol into auric with smoke blitz and less threat on leaving infiltrate, I understand

[echo parcel]

It can though, just not mutants

[coral bloom]

What you could do is space out snipers, gunners and ranged trash at distance and see how quickly you can kill them. You know, how it occurs when you play the game xD

[echo parcel]

mutants take too long

[terse idol]

[junior needle]

I also have tests for flak and unyielding, and they don't hold up there either.

[coral bloom]

Shooting mutants is ineffective with alot of ranged. I bring bleed chain weapon for muties and crusher if I play recon.

[junior needle]

It has nothing to do with shooting mutants, they're just a test dummy for maniac dps

[coral bloom]

Please, do tell me how darktide SHOULD be played.
You know, the one proper way.

Weird idea that.

[terse idol]

I guess it is a good test to compare things a recon could be shooting, like ragers

[junior needle]

Your dps to ragers, and to muties with ranged weapons

[echo parcel]

I've said this again, CiAg is overpowered, comparing balanced guns to it is pretty disingenuous

[junior needle]

is the same

[terse idol]

It isn't about how the Game should be played though

[junior needle]

It's the same armor type

[terse idol]

Just numbies

And I mean you did just describe vets role

Killing gunners and snipers

[junior needle]

It's easier to get reliable testing done on a target that doesn't wobble and has a larger health pool

[terse idol]

Which, I mean I'd take a Ilas

[junior needle]

Especially when a guns base dps can easily exceed a targets health pool

[coral bloom]

Let 955 describe how the game should be played. Apparantly there is a right and wrong way here.
Unless its actually you who knows how it should be played and 955 is wrong?

[tall torrent]

It’s very weird to me that you’re saying all this “recon maniac DPS sucks so don’t use it that way” when veteran is usually the most reliable anti-special member available and you’re frequently expected to deal with them fast?

[terse idol]

Yes I know how darktide should be played, I am the ordinator of darktide gameplay. 😌

[junior needle]

The other IAG's perform quite well still

Recons aren't exactly balanced either

[coral bloom]

You are talking around your statement. You said how the game should be played.
What I am quoting you on now, do you mean that the game should be played with a veteran handling specials?

[coral bloom]

Good, then I will look to your truths in the future 🙂

[tall torrent]

My statement is “veteran should be shooting at specialists except mutants”

What is wrong with that

[junior needle]

I think he means that being gimped against some of the most dangerous enemies in the game kinda blows

[tall torrent]

Are you not going to shoot at flamers & trappers?

[echo parcel]

Mutant is not even close to being a dangerous enemy lmao

[junior needle]

Yall are fucking with me now

[tall torrent]

Pretty much

[junior needle]

Actually how many times do I have to say that maniac dps is what matters

in these tests with the mutie

You must be doing it on purpose

[void rampart]

My monitor is in danger when they decide to slam me into the ground in 5 separate grabs in a row

[junior needle]

There are so many other maniacs

[coral bloom]

Either way, I can make my point.
Recons:
High mag capacity
Accurate
High rate of fire
Good mobility
Similar damage to most armor, very low vs carapace. Maniac tends to have high hp pools so it suffers

You get an accurate gun that is weak against carapace but can handle most other things at close or long range. But its not very good against anything really.

Generalist.

You guys think it sucks, and should be buffed to be worth using, like columnus or plasma that pretty much delete everything.

Then I guess that is the standard we want. Just make it delete anything.

With the accuracy, mobility, mag capacity and so on I could see recon being really boring strong if it got the same kind of dps columnus or plasma has. It would just be broken.

But I dont know the way the game is meant to be played though so waiting for an authority to say how things should be.

[terse idol]

Okay no well

Mutant grabs especially if they don't throw you right away hurt

Lord forbid a flamer mutant combos you

[tall torrent]

Unironically maniac doesn’t usually have very high health pool

[terse idol]

Like, mutants aren't dangerous because we got alot of weapons to delete them

[tall torrent]

The 3 most dangerous maniac targets are 900 and 1400 health

[terse idol]

Mutants greatest fear is them throwing you into fire or holding you long enough that a flamer will toast you

[echo parcel]

I get around 1,1k dps on recon las on maniacs

thats enough to kill most in less than a second

[junior needle]

You forgot comparatively low dps/high ttk and poor ammo efficiency, also high reliance on the talent tree to compensate for that with talent taxes. Recons being weak to maniac has to do with modifiers as well, and has nothing to do explicitly with hp pools.

[echo parcel]

Thats more than enough

[coral bloom]

Maniac dps is very good yes. But if a gun is shit vs maniac then its shit vs maniac.
Trying to force a gun into doing what its worst at I dont see much point in. Esp when you can bring melee / ranged that complement eachother.

You can bring bolter / claw sword for armored / trash.
Bleedchain weapon for muties / crushers + recon for ranged. It works. Is it better than columnus or plasma? No.

[wanton dawn]

I am not sure about what the end point of the discussion is tbf

[junior needle]

No clue

[tall torrent]

Bleed chain weapons are not the greatest at killing crushers unless you’re using thunderous

[echo parcel]

I've already said this once, If every single enemy next patch doubled in health, then the dps difference would matter more between broken guns like the Ciag and "Trash" guns like the recon

[coral bloom]

People tell me im smart and correct. Then I recycle my recon and play with plasma.

[odd sparrow]

some people are arguing recon is decent is the point im getting

[terse idol]

I mean it's not an authority
If you're telling me recon is a generalist weapon but then also tell me it's not useful for things like mutants

[junior needle]

They're undertuned vs other damage types too, even scuffed maniac modifiers notwithstanding

[wanton dawn]

Are we arguing that recon is top tier ? Playable ?

[terse idol]

I dunno that's really bad for a weapon that's supposed to be a mid-line

[junior needle]

""""""""""viable""""""""""

[coral bloom]

I am. Also want it to kill mutants.

[echo parcel]

Recon is not top tier, but it is certainly viable

[junior needle]

Literally any weapon is "viable" due to semantics

Calling it viable is meaningless

[tall torrent]

You’re using a chainaxe?

[junior needle]

They're objectively useable but subpar compared to many other guns

[wanton dawn]

Well, you can make the slow recon variant works for you. It is subpar though

[tall torrent]

Ok ykw chainaxe + recon doesn’t sound as cursed as it could have been

[umbral granite]

Would you guys say that the Agripina (slug) shotgun is at least an A-tier weapon for veteran?

[junior needle]

But then again anything is useable if it actually does something

[wanton dawn]

No

[coral bloom]

Thats a fair point xD
Not being good vs muties hurts it.
Unless I missremember though the dmg modifier is similar for flak and maniac on it, flamers go down. Muties do not.