veteran-class

[final stag]

I think it's 11 yeah

[faint beacon]

Yes both are T2 Locked

Highly suggest getting them unlocked if you ever get them on any shotgun

[gilded wraith]

@hybrid torrent What would you go with for perks?

[hybrid torrent]

For shotguns and braced autos. Reload speed, maniac, flak.

Infested is decent for gunning down poxs with braced autos or one-banging dogs and bombers with shotguns.

Carapace for these guns is okay on zealot with Chastise the Wicked. Otherwise Carapace damage is really only useful on Agripinaa slug shotty.

Unarmored makes the braced autos great for horde clear and shooter clear. Not so useful on shotguns unless using wide buckshot lawbringer or flame shots kantrael for horde clear.

Unyielding on braced autos or shotguns makes these great against bulwarks, reaper, and bosses. Agripinaa gun, for example, can stagger bulwarks swinging at you.

+5% Crit chance nearly triples the crit chance of brace autos and increases the base crit chance of shotguns by 50%.

[gilded wraith]

I think I'll try out the kant with manstopper and scattershot.

[final stag]

My 5th veteran build may actually use a shotgun now
Thanks for bringing this to my attention

I was struggling to find a good ranged weapon for my 5th so might do a little testing after work.

[hybrid torrent]

It's solid. Don't forget to choose the marked target keystone for vet. Use it for gaining stamina quickly.

Also, use the shotguns low stamina count to quickly regain stamina. Your melee weapon will probably have more stamina than the shotgun.

[gilded wraith]

Thank you, I'll try it out.

[hybrid torrent]

With deadshot I mean.

[gilded wraith]

Are the stamina regen nodes worth it?

[hybrid torrent]

If you're using deadshot, then I'll say yeah. Otherwise stamina regen delay makes melee fights easier on vet; for blocking and shoving of course

No cap, I was playing a maelstrom monster mission and the vet on my team was matching me in terms on damage with my zealot gunman build while he was using a manstopper kantrael shotgun.

[final stag]

I wish I was able to see how I was performing but I play on Xbox nfndn

But I'm able to keep up and Excell a good portion of times.

[junior needle]

Vet has a lot better ranged damage boosts than zealot

So I’m not surprised

Also you can gigacleave with with burn/bleed using that for big horde damage

[wanton dawn]

I value target down more than stam nodes for deadshot build atm

Problem of stam nodes is you need to put your ads down to get value out of it

Also, and mostly: worse talent economy

Need to reach far left and far right

[fervent quiver]

How poor I truly am

[pearl granite]

just spam some auric mael and you will be good

[junior needle]

Hadron was truly unkind

I swear terrifying is the most weighted blessing in the game and they keep it bad on purpose

[fervent quiver]

Do I need to give hadron that good head?

[sleek garden]

almost certainly but you can survive on your own for a few seconds with good dodging and blocking

this is the reason i bring the catachan on veteran all the time

helps deal with a fair amount of small to medium baddies in a pinch and can parry a few at a time

shovel is also great

people might say its bad but i have hammerstrike or whatever its called

that increases impact

at a certain stack ive broken ragers out of attack animations

probably under certain conditiojns

but it also starts throwing enemies to the ground which takes them much longer to get up from

gives you more breathing room

[wanton dawn]

Poxwalker are fine. Bruiser though, sometimes they come with different timing and can put you down as fast as a mauler overhead

[sleek garden]

i like bruiser hordes because they make their own horde noise

but yeah they're scary

i prefer the scab ones honestly because their heads arent armored so horizontal slashes at head level do more

[wanton dawn]

Dreg bruiser are the worst horde

[sleek garden]

their heads are armored

its rude

more hit mass

[wanton dawn]

Also they dont "look" more threatening than groaner

[sleek garden]

but it still does more damage for most of my weapons to hit them in the head

[wanton dawn]

Scab bruiser are super bulky at least

[sleek garden]

i like their little chant as they rush you

rise rise irse

the scab bruisers just scream and roar as their horde noise

which is funny

i think the absolute worst to deal with is when it spawns more than 3 ragers at once

one time the director said goodbye and dropped so many ragers it overwhelmed our whole team

we had ogryns charging at them and knocking them down but it wasnt enough there were just a ton

i was wondering what on earth jsut happened

[wanton dawn]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046912126746374274/1210956003374399548/Warhammer_40000__Darktide_30_rager_no_shout.mp4?ex=65f5ac29&is=65e33729&hm=ef3f9c3f639beb9f392d93d9be91e248e3e65681b43216ad300d350f1c038975&

[junior needle]

Every 70 or so times you can do something like that

Because that's about how many tries that took him

[wanton dawn]

Green rager are the worst yhough

[sleek garden]

who would have guessed you need a perfect power sword and to not get staggered a single time

[junior needle]

Sunder helps a lot because stagger

[sleek garden]

i have one power sword and it has sunder and slaughterer on it

[junior needle]

Swap slaught for cycler and you're good to go

[sleek garden]

they have so much resistance and health even though theyre bare skinned

[wanton dawn]

Not the dreg. The blessed one

[sleek garden]

the blessed muties used to be terrifying

they would keep pounding you into the pavement

the new ones are still scary because they move at mach 5

i want them to do elite resistance again it was so scary

crushers you could not stagger with bonus health

10 at once

ogryn charge wouldnt even knock them over

[fervent quiver]

I honestly forgot that they're weak

PS and VOC making everything look ez

but yeah, pretty weak

[sleek garden]

I use executioner stance and went down mostly left side of the tree so I do a lot of headshot damage but regular melee

[fervent quiver]

what weapons?

[sleek garden]

I switch my guns every match

But lately I tried out the vraks headhunter

Very cool gun

[fervent quiver]

if you're using precision weapons, then good luck

[sleek garden]

Vraks has a lot of zoom

I was surprised

[fervent quiver]

I've kinda given up using purely precision weapons except with VOC and tags

[sleek garden]

Then I tried a magic god rolled helbore

[wanton dawn]

My favorite "precision" wep is the bolter

[fervent quiver]

ez, just bonk the mofos until they die

[sleek garden]

It was cool I liked the bayonet charge you could do

[fervent quiver]

I love the mk 2 helbor

[sleek garden]

It also cuts through carapace a fair amount

[fervent quiver]

does stupid amounts of damage melee only, which is just stupid

[sleek garden]

Yeah I think that's the one I'm using

Blue

I heard one has a slashing bayonet

I feel like that one would help me out of a jam

Then the mg Ia lasgun

[wanton dawn]

The slashing is the mk3. It is very mid

[sleek garden]

I find it very easy to land headshots with that lasgun

Very generous magazine

[wanton dawn]

Mk1 and mk2 are very, very good

Bayo

I dont use them for shooting

[sleek garden]

Executor stance with the Ia lasgun and Marksman's focus makes for some super spiky headshot damage

Two shotting ragers at midrange

I also tried the Graia infantry autogun

[wanton dawn]

I tried mf. It is just... weaker than ft on almost all gun

[sleek garden]

It feels more flexible and lighter to run around with but it doesn't hit as hard as the lasgun

But that's because it's full auto

With Marksman's focus it still 1-2 shots shooters though

[vernal harbor]

Lasgun so good if you’re not doing insano maelstrom barrage shit, everything else requires like full auto because it’s just nonestop violence

[sleek garden]

3 or 4 to off specials

[bitter turtle]

i dont very much like the basic lasgun compared to the v7 HH

er misquote

[sleek garden]

I have a blue lasgun for this purpose

It shoots much faster

[wanton dawn]

Lasgun are the middest weapon

[sleek garden]

i like the lasguns they just feel good to me

I try and switch around all my weapons to keep things fresh

[sleek garden]

The only guns I really seem to struggle with are the recon lasguns

[wanton dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/bulletproof-archer-not-a-scratch-robot-invincible-gif-24172272

[vernal harbor]

Lasgun headshot is almost guaranteed one hit kill but it’s slow and can’t mow down hordes

[bitter turtle]

idk

[vernal harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/shock-shocker-shocked-black-guy-gif-27526370

[bitter turtle]

lasgun is bad on flak

really really bad

i rather just take v7

[sleek garden]

they do very low damage but with Marksman's focus mine only takes two shots to kill groaners/poxers

V7?

[bitter turtle]

vraks7 headhunter

the main davantage i felt playing lasgun was much bigger clip

but its not like v7 has a lsow reload

[sleek garden]

Oh I used that too I mentioned it above

[bitter turtle]

and i rather 1tap more thing than have really awful flak

[sleek garden]

I like the little stock bonk

[bitter turtle]

stock bonk is nice bc you almost certainly run deadshot

so in the situations hwere u really bottoemd out stam

you can still push poxburster

[sleek garden]

If you can get exhilarating takedown and aim at heads, bring the modifier for Marksman's focus that boosts toughness received per stack

instant 30% toughness damage reduction and toughness regenerated if you open fire into a crowd with a recon lasgun

focus target is good at giving you a quick damage boost overall

Marksman's focus rewards headshots a lot more though

[junior needle]

open fire into a crowd with a recon lasgun
Please don't do this

[sleek garden]

I do this with the lawbringer shotgun, load the duckbill spread bullet and aim at the head level at a horse

Horde*

[wanton dawn]

Recon is not a good weakspot weapon

[junior needle]

Very low finesse values

[sleek garden]

when I used it it didn't really seem to be much of anything

[wanton dawn]

Fair

[sleek garden]

I just held down the trigger

and it's fun to shoot into a horde with it

[junior needle]

Shooting into hordes to avoid using your melee weapon is a bad habit

[bitter turtle]

Mf is still preferable on recon imo

[junior needle]

Especially on guns with bad ammo efficiency

[sleek garden]

I use my melee weapons don't worry

[bitter turtle]

You crit enough to make the finesse ok

[junior needle]

"ok"

[bitter turtle]

I tested and it matches ft 5 with redirect at 5 in dmg

[sleek garden]

Finesse also boosts headshot damage doesn't it

[bitter turtle]

And you won't have that always up

[wanton dawn]

The problem imo is that if you want to crit, deadshot is better with ft target down

[bitter turtle]

Yes but the headshot boost would be too low by itswlf

Well

[junior needle]

But deadshot blows on on recons

[bitter turtle]

I think deadshot recon is extra meme

[wanton dawn]

Yeah but its recon

[bitter turtle]

If u did run deadshot I agree with ft for stam

But thats way too meme 4 me

[sleek garden]

if you fire it into a horde the headshot boost is enough to make it one shot little dudes

[bitter turtle]

Rather just do no deadshot mf

[sleek garden]

I set mine to headhunter+5% increased crit chance and grabbed shock trooper and

[junior needle]

You don't want to be shooting into poxwalkers to clear hordes

[wanton dawn]

I do deadshot mf on ciag for that sweet 60% real crit

[bitter turtle]

I think unlike ciag u can't just burst fire it do ur literally gonna bottom yourself out

Ya ciag is different

[sleek garden]

It was pretty funny to see how long i could fire into a horde

[bitter turtle]

You can do quick bursts cause it completely deletes

[junior needle]

Just don't do it in actual difficulties

[bitter turtle]

You're still going to have to shoot for a good amt of time on elites for recon

[sleek garden]

I know, I bring catachan swords to deal with horses typically

[bitter turtle]

And that means ur stam is gonzo

[junior needle]

Those guns are quite undertuned right now

And 95% of the time

in aurics

Recon users suction all the ammo on the map to do that

[sleek garden]

I've not had that be a problem yet

[junior needle]

Here's an excerpt from my cringe compilation

[sleek garden]

I have a lot of psykers/zealots in my games

[junior needle]

It's a very consistent pattern

[sleek garden]

ammo hungry gun needs attention

Seems fair

[junior needle]

Ammo hungry, comparatively low dps gun

Which needs a ton of babying from the talent tree

[sleek garden]

honestly ammo management has only ever resulted in a loss for me once

[junior needle]

[sleek garden]

Because my teammates all died in a low level game when I was leveling up

I ran out of bullets in my revolver

[wanton dawn]

Same. But it wasnt my ammo management

[sleek garden]

This was back before patch 13

There were a lot of shooters I had the wrong kind of gun for that

I specialized my veteran for shooter/specialist removal typically

[junior needle]

Indeed you did

[sleek garden]

Today I made a new one though with the fanning revolver

[junior needle]

Fanning revolver is uh

[sleek garden]

it's funny

[junior needle]

Not good compared to the other one

[sleek garden]

it doesn't have to be good

[junior needle]

[sleek garden]

To me at least

Idk

[junior needle]

[wanton dawn]

Fanning is kinda a miss opportunity imo

[sleek garden]

The zarona is the hand cannon

the agripinaa is the fancy trickshooter

yeah it takes 4 bullets to kill a crusher

But it looks awesome doing it

[bitter turtle]

you can do it in 3

if you

surgical

tbh when i mathed out surgical vs crucian im onyl more convince that surgical is the better option

[muted knot]

Surgical on canning revolver

[sleek garden]

mine has terrifying barrage and something else on it

[bitter turtle]

crucian is only better after the 3rd bullet

[sleek garden]

it's very silly

[bitter turtle]

in a fan

[muted knot]

-ning revolver

[sleek garden]

I use Deadshot and executors stance with it

[bitter turtle]

25% deadshot 21% crit bonus 5% base crit for 51% crit

surg is

61 -51 -51 -51 -51 on a full fan even if u dont hold for surg at all

crucian is

51 - 57 - 63 - 69 - 75

not wurf imo, worse on the first 2 bullet and only crusher/mauler take 3/4

compared to being able to hold for 1 sec for guarantee crit

[sleek garden]

51 is still more than half likely to be a crit

I just take whatever t4 blessing I have available

[sleek garden]

With this build I went through all three trees to do a little better with the melee

But for some reason on that one I took fire team

I ran out of bullets in the first area of the first map I played with it lol

100 revolver bullets emptied in 2 minutes

[bitter turtle]

thats why i dont like spamming fan on everything

and play it like a "bad zarona"

u will run dry if u literally fan everything

[sleek garden]

I really wish it had penetration

It would feel so awesome to fan the hammer and blow 6 guys in half with each shot

I only fanned the hammer on guys I knew were tougher like maulers and rangers and crushers

But I kept underestimating the damage I was outputting

So id kill a rager with the first shot but keep shooting because I didn't think it would kill him

[bitter turtle]

also why i dont like relying on fan only

i only fan on agri volver in panic scenario

[sleek garden]

The one thing I don't know about the revolver is the melee

It must have high stagger

Right

[bitter turtle]

you can push burster with it

[sleek garden]

Because otherwise you'd just take out your melee

[bitter turtle]

ikts worthless aside from that

[sleek garden]

I mean it's funny to pop a bruiser on the head with it then put a bullet in his chest

But it didn't do much otherwise

[bitter turtle]

you can oneshot dreg rager with a crit

so i would rather just shoot

[sleek garden]

Does it stagger ragers?

The melee

[bitter turtle]

a light stagger ya

[sleek garden]

Better than nothing I guess

[bitter turtle]

idk if it can stagger them otu of combo

[sleek garden]

Probably not

I know the shovel/big axe stab does it nicely

[woeful ibex]

New Skins

[wanton dawn]

Dude is gonna YMCA your butt

[earnest lodge]

nice cap

[unreal bone]

Shop reset soon right?

oop

seems mostly meh.

Vet has a few nice things.. Too bad that Armageddon helmet has no matching armor pieces 🤡

It's the same motherfucking camo bro.

You know what, atleast the actual helmet shape is different.

[fathom willow]

Same mask different helmet and camo pattern

[unreal bone]

Same camo pattern

they are the same camo patter, just shifted

It's the same jungle fractal camo.

When veteran doesn't have a single piece of armor in the entire game that has that camo

[fathom willow]

Hmm

Ogryn’s got pepperoni hood

[unreal bone]

For some reason tho

You can preview those cybernetic eyes for Psyker

on veteran

Are they not class restricted?

[sharp ember]

that psyker knew he had to do it to us

[fathom willow]

Cybernetic tend to be shared

[sharp ember]

you could be a discount skitarii with those big ol’ eyes lol

[fathom willow]

Also hadron eyes

[fathom willow]

The hood says pepperoni

[unreal bone]

Welp time to wait another 2 weeks.

[wanton dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/design-eyes-special-eyes-special-gif-8137439

[unreal bone]

I'm not really playing until they either do a content update or actually push out some cool af cosmeitcs

so many good cosmetics in their code they refuse to add.

[sharp ember]

i’ve been meaning to hop on to try out the shooter knockback removal and smokes

but um

another pve videogame

[unreal bone]

A better* pve videogame

[fathom willow]

Kront have better eyes, that’s why knot have cool googles

[unreal bone]

https://tenor.com/view/helldiver-helldivers-2-gif-13192804345580460720

Not another, a better one Guardsman.

[sharp ember]

[unreal bone]

More updates for Helldivers 2 in the span of a day than months for Darktide 🤣

Almost getting our first content update too sometime middle of this month

New strategems, and possibly new weapons.

[sharp ember]

i gotta say, that railgun nerf backlash

[unreal bone]

Railgun was overtuned, but some of the other strats need buffed.

[sharp ember]

they’d know what real backlash looks like if they saw the power sword nerf lmao

[unreal bone]

FAF SPEAR needs a buff fr fr

It's not worth using the FAF SPEAR in it's current state imo

[wanton dawn]

History is a circle

[sharp ember]

spear gets ammo from small pickups now which is great

[unreal bone]

wait

they fixed it???

[sharp ember]

lockon still wonky

[unreal bone]

It gets ammo back from normal boxes?

That was my whole problem with it

you could only get missiles back from resupply boxes or someone with a supply pack.

[sharp ember]

yep, still 1 ammo from resupply package though

[unreal bone]

no not the resupply boxees

I'm talking about standard ammo boxes

you find in the wild

[sharp ember]

yeah small ammo pickups work now

[unreal bone]

Okay cool.

[sharp ember]

did a bot solo just shooting metalfabs across the map and scavenging more rockets

[unreal bone]

It was so fucked that every special weapon strat besides the FAF could resupply ammo from wild ammo boxes.

Yeah that's the only buff it needed now it just needs the lockon bug fixed

[sharp ember]

spotting the 40k fans in chat when they call laser cannon the lascannon

yeah i guess it resembles a lascannon, a dawn of war 3 lascannon

[umbral scaffold]

new trend: blocking players just cuz they are using ogryn🤣

[dire olive]

That sounds petty and cringe

[umbral scaffold]

fuck them i hate them, 90% of missions where there is an ogryn in either end up with 'u have failed the emprah' or me doing a mass solo rescue, ogryns are an issue cope with it

[wanton dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/commercial-snickers-cranky-gif-5478685

We all have bad days

[agile forge]

pretty toxic ngl

Melk is offering me this, should I take it? I know Rashad is better, but look at that stat line

I've not had a good enough Rashad pop up for me yet

[wanton dawn]

Well, looks like a good baseline if you dont have one

[agile forge]

I shouldn't need to take any melee talents to make this work right?

[sharp ember]

lookin’ pretty good, if you slap Unarmored on it I think it’s incredibly close to killing the bald scab bruiser in 1 headshot

[wanton dawn]

Ehh, i dont play enough caxe to knox

[agile forge]

it does 370 to unarmoured weakspots before perk and blessing

how much hp do the scab bruisers have?

[sharp ember]

if it doesn’t, you can close the distance with a damage blessing or relevant talent node

afraid i don’t have that knowledge on me right now

but yeah cop it if you have spare melkbucks

[wanton dawn]

625 apparently

[sharp ember]

so 370 + unarmored bonus + power blessing + relevant headshot and melee talents => 625

[wanton dawn]

Ehh, it is not an easy reach

[sharp ember]

i have a fun little combat axe like that which only needs 1 stack of headtaker to reach the bp, while still taking my favorite talents

[wanton dawn]

Rashad does like, 80 less damage than perfect antax

And rashad can be hard to reach os scab bruiser

[sharp ember]

rashad has a finesse multiplier though doesn’t it

[wanton dawn]

Ye

[lilac kayak]

Is it a hot take to say having at least 1 ogryn in your team will increase mission success rate by 25% ?

[wanton dawn]

Skill is class independent

[lilac kayak]

Some classes require less skill than others tbh

[elder fiber]

it doesn't take much for an ogryn to be helpful but there's some absolute potatos out there

[old quail]

https://streamable.com/a5uvme

ogryns are NOT to be trusted

[trim hemlock]

You get a shield ogryn that hasn’t seen good gameplay of it in their entire playtime

And you suffer

The entire team suffers

[white minnow]

mittins'd

[trim hemlock]

Because they are “TANKING”

[white minnow]

at least ogryns can just be health sponges if nothing else

[old quail]

mittins had the courtesy to get a mutie to grab you into a wall this dude just straight up murdered 2 teammates

[gaunt delta]

He could have just flubbed the weapon swap button… ask me how I know

[old quail]

he did not have an otherwise impressive performance

[jaunty sphinx]

superiority complex or bring it down? im running plasma

[old quail]

i cannot afford him the benefit of the doubt

[gaunt delta]

You have context that I lack, I’ll grant

[agile forge]

The antax rolled Decapitator for its final slot

Is that junk or good?

[gaunt delta]

Let’s consult the Veteranomicon

[old quail]

just worse than headtaker generally iirc

[gaunt delta]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1S6fRBvHazuv9qM-jOTU4lXZCxcarcoGWfV_vmSOfK0I/edit#heading=h.v0xc5dslvla0

[trim hemlock]

It’s good if you have means of stacking it

But it’s invalidated by any sort of damage dealt to the target beforehand

So you have to stack it on horde

And at that point Headtaker is just more consistent

And stacks almost immediately with BM

[agile forge]

yeah, headtaker it is then

I have it on III at least

[trim hemlock]

Decapitator would be “nice” if it just procced on WS kills

It would be a Slaughterer done differently

But no. Can’t have good blessings in Darktide.

[agile forge]

Ok I'm happy enough with this weapon then

at least it mixes things up a bit from just power sword all day erry day

I feel like it'd work better on my MF build because I don't have to dance so much with an axe, like you do with PS

[junior needle]

I was in your game earlier

But not that one

[old quail]

[woeful ibex]

Datamine

Scions Armor

[trim hemlock]

Late news, it was there two weeks ago already

[muted knot]

What's the new vet drip ?

[elder fiber]

black leather coat over barfcamo

[muted knot]

Jesus that's atrocious

[wanton dawn]

Pants too low clearly

[woeful ibex]

@trim hemlock Cap is worth it though for me

rest is horrid

[trim hemlock]

I’m only fairly disappointed by the fact that these mostly don’t have female proportions kept

And neither have any of the previous sets

[low yacht]

I mean on most armor female proportions aren't noticeable

Especially in the guard

The Ecclesiarch though with the sisters definitely

[vernal harbor]

style of a norwegian serial killer

[low yacht]

Nah the hat was better

The WW2 net helmet looked nice

[trim hemlock]

Apparently that’s what FS thinks, because they don’t consider the extra effort to be worth it (I can’t say I blame them… this is very fitting for the 40K depiction of the army equipment, I’d wager )

[trim hemlock]

I don’t know any Norwegian serial killer, but I can agree on the general impression

[low yacht]

It's not just the guard the military in general uniforms don't look that different

It's better to mass produce things that are similar then give everyone special armor

It's very fitting for 40k.

[trim hemlock]

I mean, it’s not even about giving everyone special armour, it’s about making some proportions right

Say, the leather jacket from the latest set has relatively broad shoulders

It looks slightly odd on feminine figures

But this?

This is brilliant

[low yacht]

Catachan

[trim hemlock]

More like Acid Dogs, I would say

It’s a mockup, I don’t even have the set

Because it hasn’t been in rotation since 2022, probably

[low yacht]

Just remove the rotations

[trim hemlock]

Ha ha

That will never happen

(Probably)

[low yacht]

It won't

[trim hemlock]

The entire drive of the store is to keep people uninformed about what’s coming next

[low yacht]

Lame

[trim hemlock]

That’s not to say FS is running into a brick wall

They currently don’t release re-releases of previous sets

And they haven’t been doing that for ~4 months

And the only things that have been in the pipeline are entirely new sets, or almost entirely new sets

[tame lodge]

Jungle fighters mentioned

What the hell is a death world 🗣️

[slow spade]

Maccabian Jannisaries when?

[winged warren]

very cool

[austere pine]

even melk hates me now

[midnight totem]

Melk has always hated you

[crude fiber]

Gotta get those blessings big dog, tier 3 stripped down recon will be meta one day

[slow spade]

Recon +200% damage buff next patch trust me I'm a fairy

[pearl granite]

hot damn, they actually released some cool cosmetic for vet!

[austere pine]

new stuff today?

[pearl granite]

yeah

[tawny marsh]

oh really...time to take a look

[pearl granite]

maybe old news but I like them

[austere pine]

anybody got a female vet and could show me how it looks rq?

because i'm of the opinion that FS didn't really do female vet cosmetics justice

[pearl granite]

cant help you with that

[midnight totem]

I thunk the flak's camo is horrendous

But the pants are nice, and the black cap is tempting

[atomic zephyr]

dug this up from images ive sent here

its basically the male cosmetics, as far as i can tell

[austere pine]

what i meant was show what the new cosmetics look like

[atomic zephyr]

oh

[austere pine]

the jackets look horrible for female vets which is what prompted me to ask

[atomic zephyr]

ive noticed most of the jackets in game are just like WAY too wide

on fem vets

[austere pine]

not the width

the issue is the waist is tucked

[atomic zephyr]

oh that too lol

[austere pine]

resulting in a wide torso but thin hips

[balmy flume]

I mean in some cases you could barely explain it by the fact that the jacket is worn over the armour

[atomic zephyr]

that doesnt provide a reason to tuck the jacket

[balmy flume]

Yea jacket tucking is no no

[atomic zephyr]

ah well
its the closest im getting to something that makes me feel like a veteran sergeant so

[balmy flume]

Embrace the armor drip instead

[atomic zephyr]

i still need to do make every shot count

[balmy flume]

The non armour generally looks odd, even for male vets

[atomic zephyr]

i've got every penance except for that purely because im lazy

[balmy flume]

Plasmagun is your friend.

[atomic zephyr]

plasma without ammo aura, right?

gonna have to toss together a melee build to compensate

[austere pine]

revolver is a good idea i think

and a good melee

cuz you're never missing

[atomic zephyr]

do plasma shots count as a miss if i shoot a bulwark?

[junior needle]

If it gives you a hit marker in the psyk I assume it counts as a hit at least

But you never know with fatshork

[serene bough]

im pretty sure bulwark hits to the shield count as a miss

i dont remember

[low jetty]

man i can nvr snipe in peace without a random pox htting me from behind after clearing an area

cant have fun with a helbore

[frank basin]

I try helbore I may get hit from the back

I also somewhat suck aiming

[low jetty]

since its PVE, no worries...
least its only the backstab with no cue sound until the alst second that kills you

instead of 5 gunners pointing at you

had a single crusher bonk me from behind while i was trying to last hit a bomber

[frank basin]

I know your pfp is from migration duck on helicopter sence

[frank basin]

Yeah have choice to kill

Bomber or crusher

[low jetty]

least that duck gets to fire what was in front of him instead of behind ahaha

[frank basin]

Yes

[low jetty]

https://tenor.com/view/duck-a-l’orange-mack-mallard-migration-slicing-the-orange-cutting-the-orange-in-half-gif-9207626293072904770

[frank basin]

https://tenor.com/view/scared-gwen-mallard-dax-pam-mallard-uncle-dan-gif-9602625727162238798

Danny deVito in there

[low jetty]

currently using a MKIII helbore which sure packs a punch but need to catch up on speed time to time in damnation diff

[low jetty]

the one and only

https://tenor.com/view/i-started-blasting-so-anyway-i-started-blasting-danny-devito-always-sunny-in-philadelphia-blasting-gif-24425727

[frank basin]

Yes I killed crusher easily with that few shot

Surgical and onslaught

[low jetty]

if the game/AI Director would let me fully charge it

this is why i play veteran last

[delicate ibex]

Rad. Thanks

[trim steppe]

I don't feel like vet is any weaker against poxxies than any other class. Like everyone you just dodge and swipe em down. Vet has plenty of melee weapons that kill hordes extremely quickly

[junior needle]

Poxes are easy to handle

Now bruisers on the other hand are much more deadly

Given that one of them can take off your entire toughness pool

with one hit

[slow spade]

That's why you simply don't get hit

[sleek garden]

Sometimes you get unlucky

[delicate ibex]

Yeah. You can't get away with that stuff as easily as Until Death or Ogryn's fuck you no you don't health pool can

[crude fiber]

anyone remember what the collateral needed for bolter to stagger bulwarks in 1 shot?

[tall torrent]

51+

[tropic imp]

Guys point blank blessing on revolver only works on special action 💀

That can't be intended right?

[raw steppe]

Nope, probably a byproduct of the latest patch

which "fixed" being able to stack buffs with projectiles and weapon swap

[wanton dawn]

I dunno if maelstrom got harder or if ppl decided to bring shittier setup

[queen skiff]

I've been running The Zarona Mk IIa revolver and the Standard issue Sapper Shovel. I've been using the sapper shovel to deal with hordes as I can get easily run over. A friend suggested I swap the shovel out for a Dagger. Does that make more sense or am I just leaving myself exposed to hordes too much?

[trim steppe]

Dagger is terrible horde clear so that's a bad suggestion

[torpid pier]

man having a short character was really a mistake lol

[wooden lotus]

wrong weapon to suggest, not bad advice

[torpid pier]

melee headshots with Brutal Momentum bit tricky when the poxwalker are taller than you

[trim steppe]

Power Sword, devil claw, Rashad, antax, or chainsword would be good horde clear melee options

[queen skiff]

What would you reccomend instead?

[wooden lotus]

the standard issue shovel is okay and pretty good at horde clear but there's comparable options that also take care of bigger threats

boko's suggestions are good, i like the power sword but you will feel the dip in mobility

the other shovels are also very good

you're not far from home with those but they have a different special that can chunk crushers and other bulky elites

knife genuinely isn't bad but it needs a more versatile and specific weapon for it to feel great

[queen skiff]

Which of those have a semi faster attack speed?

[wooden lotus]

knife by itself with revolver makes you feel real weak in hrode clear

[queen skiff]

Higher attack speed just feels better personally.

[wooden lotus]

shovels and dclaw are all faster

[trim steppe]

Rashad and power Sword are probably the best horde clear weapons but the hardest to build properly. Antax or chainsword are easy to get great ones and very fast

[wooden lotus]

power sword is excellent but it's position reliant, you need to spam the special, and needs a specific blessing to feel usable

but if you have all of that it's beyond comparable

[queen skiff]

So perhaps putting a Power sword on the backburner and investing into it isn't a bad idea?

[wooden lotus]

yeah

if you see melk hand out a power cycler iv

[queen skiff]

I can do that for sure.

[wooden lotus]

that's a greenlight to work on one

power cycler 4 changes the special attack from 1 to up to 3 hits at level iv

makes it much more usable and can one-combo crushers with a block attack + light swing

also just. fucking eats monstrosities

[queen skiff]

What do the other shovels specialize in?

[trim steppe]

Definitely. Look for power cycler and either brutal momentum or sunder blessings. If you find those on a power Sword you're gonna have a great time. In the meantime one of the others I mentioned will do you well

[wooden lotus]

the main reason why it's just not the best weapon is because it has the same mobility as guns so

you will feel sluggish compared to something like the knife

but i've personally never have had an issue with it

[queen skiff]

Movement speed isn't a super big issue as I run stealth

[wooden lotus]

it shows when you really need to get the fuck out of a situation or you're on a last stand but these aren't necessarily unwinnable situations

yeah

veteran has many defensive utilities in addition to just rewarding good gamesense so

it's workable

weapon specialist is also amazing on it because it negates this downside. you really need to 'build' for a power sword, but if you do it becomes like top 3 for vet's melee options

[queen skiff]

I still need to go back and look at my build

I got no idea what I'm doing with it

Just picked perks that sounded fun

[wooden lotus]

check pins

[tall torrent]

Mk3 specializes in high armor dmg

Mk7 is mix of both horde and armor dmg

[wooden lotus]

excellent write-up and dissection

[queen skiff]

Oh okay wow

This just goes through everything

[tall torrent]

here

[queen skiff]

So I want to pick stuff that's good from this guide allowing for a few exceptions for specific build

Gotcha

[tall torrent]

This really depends on what you expect from melee

[queen skiff]

The way I like to play is more or less based around Agile Engagement

[tall torrent]

Honestly, I’d recommend chainsword mk4

[queen skiff]

Weaving in and out of melee and Revolver. Using the revolver to execute elites and melee to handle the grunts.

[tall torrent]

Rashad is tremendous resource sink
Power sword is also resource sink

[queen skiff]

So I picked up a ton of crit damage perks and elite damage perks

[tall torrent]

Don’t use +crit dmg perks

[queen skiff]

Why?

[tall torrent]

They’re bad in every scenario possible

[queen skiff]

Like this just seems really good.

[tall torrent]

That talent is not +30% dmg

[queen skiff]

wdym?

[tall torrent]

Using +weakspot and +crit dmg only applies to the “bonus dmg” u gain from landing weakspot & crit hits

Weakspot is a little better because it’s at least in your control (but don’t add +10% weakspot dmg as weapon perk, it’s usually bad)

Crit is universally bad

[queen skiff]

I see

While we're on the topic of guns. This is optimized as best it can be yeah?

[trim steppe]

Yeah both crit damage and weakspot damage perks should always be rerolled because they calculate out to like 1-3% damage increases. It's pathetic compared to the other perks that give, say, +25% damage to flak targets

[trim steppe]

Hand cannon 4 is amazing so be glad you have it. You can always strip it off this gun and apply it to another if you roll a better one. That said you want your other blessing to be surgical.

[queen skiff]

Oh right

[trim steppe]

And you want higher penetration

[queen skiff]

I forgot I was looking for that

So I may have forgotten

Can you upgrade the rarity of a blessing and then extract it?

[trim steppe]

What do you mean upgrade rarity?

[tall torrent]

Terrifying barrage is really bad
Best Zarona perks are elite+maniac

[queen skiff]

I got guns with Surgical 1

[tall torrent]

You need to roll guns to have surgical 3 and 4

[trim steppe]

Whatever blessing is on your gun is what it is. You can extract any blessing and apply it infinite times to any other of the same type of weapon. You can't upgrade a blessing without already having it extracted

[queen skiff]

So I can extract this but I'd only be able to apply Surgical 1

[trim steppe]

Correct

[queen skiff]

Damn

[trim steppe]

The best way to get new blessings is to upgrade weapons with base stats above 350 from green to blue. It only costs ~200 plasteel and will give a T3 blessing something like 80% of the time and a T4 20% of the time.

[queen skiff]

I see

I'll focus on that then

[trim steppe]

Upgrading to orange has a higher chance of giving you a T4 but it costs like 1500 plasteel so it's very expensive

[raw steppe]

generally you want to start from white

unless the weapon has a perk you want

[queen skiff]

So... like buying them from the general shop?

[raw steppe]

otherwise you're massively reducing the number of "rolls" you get

ye

buying stuff from the shop is main form of progression from 1-29

at lv30, that changes to buy white items until you get one with good stats, then upgrade it

[trim steppe]

The caveat is that you should browse the normal shop as often as possible and if you see any weapon type that you want to use, with base stats above 350 (higher the better) and green, you should buy it. Then you can do what I said and upgrade to blue to hunt blessings. It doesn't take very long to find and extract most or all blessings for a weapon type, and have at least T3s and some T4s

[queen skiff]

So buy gun you want a perk on in the white variant. Consecrate twice. Repeat until desired blessing

[trim steppe]

And T3s are usually sufficient

[queen skiff]

Speaking of power swords this would be a bad one correct?

[trim steppe]

Buying green regardless of the perk is for blessing hunting. Buying good stat whites is for trying to roll a weapon you will equip

[tall torrent]

yes, bad

[trim steppe]

Yeah that's bad. Low stats, bad rolls

[queen skiff]

Alright, sweet. I'm learning

[tall torrent]

usually u want higher numbers in stuff that changes ur breakpoints

[trim steppe]

Power swords you want high damage, finesse, and cleave damage in that order. Cleave targets doesn't matter much and mobility matters least. Most stats perform markedly worst of they are under 51%, so try not to dump a stat too hard

[queen skiff]

Also kind of a dumb question but what is considered a solid amount of coin to start rolling for guns and perks with?

[tall torrent]

u never really have enough

just accept that

[queen skiff]

Figured, worth asking.

[junior needle]

Just in case no one mentioned, terrifying barrage is an absolute dog blessing on every weapon it's on

[tall torrent]

this also depends on how hard the weapon is to roll

[raw steppe]

you want to progress moreso in terms of gear rather than money-

[trim steppe]

But for instance, mobility gives you the number of dodges before you can't dodge any more. You get the max number at 51%. If you have a weapon with 50% mobility your defenses will be worse

[tall torrent]

rashad is like 8 million dockets or smth

[raw steppe]

start off with 2-mod items which are essentially 2k plasteel to roll
3-mod items are usually 2k-8k plasteel to roll on average
and 4-mod items (which are BiS) can take 20-30k if you're not lucky

[queen skiff]

DID I DO THE THING?!?

[raw steppe]

no lol

[trim steppe]

Hard disagree, I really like Terrifying on the agri brauto. Let's you run around and execute fools incredibly safely

[raw steppe]

you need to stop upgrading trash

only upgrade white items with good stats

[wooden lotus]

don't invest hard unles you're max level

[raw steppe]

if you actually upgraded a good item base that would've been good

[trim steppe]

Yeah this is great! Extract that shit

[queen skiff]

Hell yeah

[wooden lotus]

if you are, prioritize stats or just try to pull blessings

extract bait

[junior needle]

The agri brauto already has extremely good suppression. Suppressing what are overwhelmingly melee enemies (which are overwhelmingly immune to suppression or in the case of groaners, very resistant) in a small area around you on a close range kill is entirely redundant with it.

[queen skiff]

Okay why can't I rebless my main gun?

[tall torrent]

2 locks both used up

[wooden lotus]

you can only change up to 2 "slots" on a gun, either 1 to 2 of either perks or blessing

[junior needle]

People overwhelmingly mistake brauto suppression for the blessing actually doing something

[trim steppe]

Now roll a revolver with good base stats. At least 70 in the 3 damage stats and as high reload as possible. You have surgical 3 in the bank and hand cannon 4 on that one you're using, which you can extract later. When you roll a good stat revolver with 2/4 of the perks and blessings being what you want, you can reroll the other stuff to make a great piece

[wooden lotus]

^

[queen skiff]

Oooooooooooh

I get it

I am dumb, I appreciate your patience

[raw steppe]

As a new player, blessing hunting is a very endgame thing

just fyi

most of the time it's better to upgrade good bases

that you'll actually want to use

[trim steppe]

And as a reminder, what you'll want is maniac and elite perks (flak or carapace are also ok), surgical and hand cannon blessings. You need 2 of those to be on your orange, good stat gun. Then you can replace what's missing

[wooden lotus]

the meta for efficient god roll farming is

1. find weapon you want
2. buy until you get decent levels
3. roll up to blue

4a. if good roll on blue, potentially up to purple and maybe orange if it seems promising
4b. if bad roll but good blessing, extract
4c. if bad entirely sell

5. if you end up getting a good gun from step 4a, keep it around and keep repeating the above until you get one where you can reroll perks and blessings into the ideal gun

[junior needle]

Blessing hunting is what melkbux are primarily for

[queen skiff]

I'm trying to get into the harder missions. So having an idea of what to do in the meantime as I work up to it is the plan.

[wooden lotus]

yeah

[raw steppe]

yeah it's very simple

[wooden lotus]

if you can find a good gun on the way

awesome, extract

[raw steppe]

buy white items until you get one with good stats

[wooden lotus]

otherwise save your plasteel till you're max

[raw steppe]

upgrade it to orange

[queen skiff]

I am technically max level already so I want to challenge myself

[raw steppe]

craft 2 things onto it

bam, you're new ready for endgame

[wooden lotus]

that's good

yeah

[raw steppe]

you can keep improving on that

but that's the entry point

[wooden lotus]

like i rolled until i got a revolver with a blessing and perk that i wanted

you only need a weapon with good stats to roll up to 2 ideal slots

then you can substitute the others through rerolls

simple as

i also recommend looking at the pins

[queen skiff]

I'll do that for sure. Still reading through that talent document

[wooden lotus]

good resources for vet's weapons, builds and their respective nuances

aye

and yeah, soldier's point of melkbux for blessing farming is very good

save it until you find, somehow, a godly roll or a rare blessing you'd like to grab

[queen skiff]

Hell yeah, I'll start going through the pin content and saving up for more rolls. You guys have been super helpful. I really really appreciate it.

[wooden lotus]

the only other davice i can give you as the next big step

level other characters

[trim steppe]

Melk guns are almost always terrible but it's an easy place to find T4 blessings. I would look daily through what he offers and buy any T4 blessings you know are good. You can ask on here if you aren't sure

[queen skiff]

Yeah?

[wooden lotus]

having more character means

1. more melkbux bounties
2. more potential rolls for melk
3. blessings can share across characters

[raw steppe]

ye

push through

and get all classes to 30

[wooden lotus]

i check my psyker every day alongside my vet for accatran blessings lmao

[raw steppe]

is a good thing to do

early on

[wooden lotus]

if you really wanted to min-max and didnt give a shit about ogryn

it is technically more efficient to level a clone "normal" character for blessings

because ogryn doesn't share any blessings nor wepaons with anyone else

[queen skiff]

Oh that's a banger idea

Alright I'll play more on my Zealot then for sure.

[wooden lotus]

you may also just like another character more

i started out as zealot -> psyker -> vet and now im a vet main lmao

[queen skiff]

Maybe, but I highly doubt I'll like anything as much as Veteran

[wooden lotus]

preach

[queen skiff]

I love hitting headshots and being rewarded for it.

The one thing Zealot has that I wish Vet had was throwing knives.

[wooden lotus]

you may like psyker

[queen skiff]

Those are so much fun

[wooden lotus]

psyker is headshot and crit oriented with certain builds

bowling ball blast is A+

gun psyker too

[queen skiff]

I'll have to build a psyker then.

Thank you

[wooden lotus]

vet is hometown but i play psyker like i'm playing evil veteran

the dark confines of my twisted mind are infinite hue hue

[inland orchid]

for the copious amount of hours i got on this game, i have never gave gunpsyker a shot

sure i've ammomuled for a handful of em but didnt give it a shot myself

the peril ammo high is a hard one to stray from in my eyes

[trim steppe]

My psykers is lvl 141 and I literally just started playing gun psykers like 10 matches ago. But I am an instant convert, it's a lot of fun

[inland orchid]

huh, ur pfp makes ur sentence all the more inspirin

i dont be rockin mods but most my levels past the max is in my vet

got told so by a buddy who got the mods

[raw steppe]

it's alright but not great currently unfortunately

[inland orchid]

ill be sure to try it out next i play darktide, appreicate the encouragment

[raw steppe]

the problem is that the gunpsyker skills don't behave in ways that make you feel powerful

[inland orchid]

oo really? enlighten me i got time

[raw steppe]

SG doesn't cooldown until it ends; making the uptime feel absolutely terrible compared to like executioners stance

[trim steppe]

Your class penances also tracks your matches won on your classes up to 250 matches. My psykers has like 170 matches won or thereabouts (if that gives any context to the lvl)

[raw steppe]

and disrupt destiny is kinda cool, but just... kinda bad

because it completely turns off against bosses

and against trash, you generally don't need the damage boost anyways

[inland orchid]

as a guy who tried it on talent tree drop with assail darts, ya this is very factual

[sleek garden]

i want to try that third person mod

looks interesting

but i dont know how

[trim steppe]

I disagree with gun psyker being only ok. It's ammo hungry but easy to top all damage and kill tables. And I always feel like a force of nature while playing it

[inland orchid]

props broski, u make those heretics piss they pants

[raw steppe]

i mean it's easy to top all damage and kill tables in general in the game lol

but there's nothing about gunpsyker that makes it "unique" to gunpsyker

before patch14, shredder gunpsyker felt really cool because of ascendant blaze and brain burst on hit

but nowadays all you have is stuff like true aim, SG, DD, which while cool; they're all just damage boost

none of them make you feel like a cool psychic dude

[trim steppe]

I mean most of my psykers builds will dish out ~500k damage on a standard mission, my gun psyker build is normally ~850k. Trauma can do that too but not a ton of other builds do

[raw steppe]

might be skissue tbh

[trim steppe]

Eh I guess

[raw steppe]

i can't do that with purg or surge or rend trauma, but my vs and fire trauma can easily do that

but that's my main problem with gunpsyker, you don't feel like a gunpsyker, you just feel like a psyker with a gun lmao

kinda wish they could've leaned more into the warp stuff

[trim steppe]

That's what I'm saying, other very fun and viable builds are regularly outperformed by gun psyker build. You don't have to enjoy it but saying it's not very effective is wrong imo

[raw steppe]

i mean if you're going to use a gun, i think it's fair to compare to other people who use gun no?

[trim steppe]

I suppose, I'd rather compare builds for a class to other builds within that class

[raw steppe]

and any vet gun build blows it out of the water

[trim steppe]

Not necessarily, gun psyker brings it's own set of talents to the table. But I get what you're saying

[raw steppe]

i dont think it does

that's the main thing

all of the support talents

[inland orchid]

The warp rider in question

[raw steppe]

are "more damage"

"more damage"

and "more crits"

there's nothing interesting about it at all

I understand "more damage" and "more crits" from a vet perspective

[inland orchid]

you can only make a guy with psy powers usin a blicky so interesting imo

[trim steppe]

The fact that you can have high peril add a ton of gun damage, then cycle between warp attacks to gen peril then use a gun for high damage while you vent, it's a fun back and forth

[raw steppe]

see that's the problem

you don't have many ways to interact with the psyker aspect of it

[wooden lotus]

well

partially

[raw steppe]

with a gun, you have 1 way to manage your peril

[wooden lotus]

you actually save ammo by substituting it with assail

[raw steppe]

with a gun, you have to take BB to get the BB on hit

[wooden lotus]

as well as using ehanced psionics

[raw steppe]

with a gun, SG just gives you crit and damage

[wooden lotus]

nah you don't

[raw steppe]

trueaim just gives you crit

[trim steppe]

What do you mean? Half the gameplay is warp attacks to gen peril

[wooden lotus]

that talent is super low value

psyker's value with gun psyker, provided we're talking about generalist and not maximizing damage, is assail for ammo conservation + scrier's + keystone of your choice

[raw steppe]

the only way to consistently manage your heat is to press F

[wooden lotus]

it's not very psyker-y yeah but it's neat

[raw steppe]

you can't vent, you can't reliably generate heat (unless you swap to melee but that's dumb as fuck)

[wooden lotus]

you use assail to quell peril, or you just let it diminish naturally

[raw steppe]

right but if you use assail, you can't use psyk aura

[wooden lotus]

smite's also fine

[inland orchid]

u can still vent as gunpsyker if u rock a forcesword tho

[raw steppe]

which is an issue

[trim steppe]

? The point is to NOT vent and take advantage of your high peril so deal high damage. Once your peril drops you switch back to using warp attacks to gen more peril

[wooden lotus]

the whole point of scrier's gaze is to build it up while buidling up toughness and damage

[raw steppe]

and SG also doesn't feel good to use

with assail

[wooden lotus]

then using the aftermath of the cooldown to keep genning toughness

that's a fair take

[raw steppe]

there's something about that combo that just doesn't feel good

[wooden lotus]

i don't really use assail as a primarily tool

[acoustic sapphire]

You call a shitty team mate a shitty team, and this is what happens.

[wooden lotus]

scrier's gaze is meant to be a burst tool imo

[raw steppe]

idk i think there's a lot of issues with the state of gunpsyker

i dont think it's "weak" persay

[trim steppe]

SG +assail feels bad for sure, I'll give you that

[raw steppe]

but it's just awful

[wooden lotus]

yeah i think it's a perfectly valid take to say it feels bad

[raw steppe]

in many ways

[wooden lotus]

even if it is good

[raw steppe]

it doesn't feel good, it doesn't feel psykery

[wooden lotus]

yeah that i can't disagree with

[raw steppe]

the talents/skills dont mesh together well

[wooden lotus]

because ij ust end up playing vet anyway

[raw steppe]

and a lot of the ways the archetype interacts with itself

via heat, SG cooldown, assail locking out cdr, DD being useless against bosses

just isn't cohesive

[tall torrent]

Isn’t psyker just generally not the greatest at boss dmg

[wooden lotus]

disrupt destiny is fine against bosses if you kill mobs but i'll concede that it does make you go ut of your way for it

[trim steppe]

Fair enough. It is a little disjointed. But that said SG + machine gun to a monstrosity does INSANE damage

[inland orchid]

i feel ya pal, its hard to hold your tongue when someone sells you

[wooden lotus]

which feels bad and can t hrow if you risk too much

[tall torrent]

Yea this is abt the best psyker boss dmg available

[wooden lotus]

there's comparable ways for boss damage on more generalist and cohesive classes imo

kid named chain weapon specials

and his brother power sword mk 6

[acoustic sapphire]

I fully understand fatshark's policy on language, and I deserve to take a break for my behavior.
It's only a day ban, so I'm not going to fight it.

That being said, I'm constantly finding myself at odds with multiple players. I'm constantly taking risks to keep my team alive so we all finish together. So when I get 8 revives in one match, and left behind it gets under my skin.

[tall torrent]

Type “learn melee pls” instead

Instead of “you’re all dogshit”

[wooden lotus]

be snarky, not insulting

[tall torrent]

[wooden lotus]

gets the message across and makes em mad without a slap on the wirst

[trim steppe]

I am constantly disappointed by my team but I say something 0% of the time. It's just not worth it, you're not going to convince anyone or make them better. Some friendly advice or nothing at all

[wooden lotus]

now i know it stings but you also don't get anything extra for everyone being alive as long as you win, no?

[inland orchid]

had a recent match in verm 2 go south from a factor like this lol, me leadin with revives but as soon as i get downed the revives stop in their tracks

swallowed my rage and told the guy who sold me good effort

[wooden lotus]

yeah like

if they just left you there for no good reason

that's fucking stupid of them

if it's just a matter of crossing the finish line though im not splitting hairs even if i carried their asses

[inland orchid]

ya tried guiding him to the bottom floor of the map we were on via chat but he was too focused upstairs

[acoustic sapphire]

That's true, but it's the principle of the matter. I don't like leaving anyone behind.

[inland orchid]

so dominos fell and party wiped

[crude fiber]

If someone dies on the final segment of a mission I'll go back and wait for the respawn if we're not struggling

[wooden lotus]

i'm of the opinion that i'm just there to get my plasteel and go home so i'll die in the emperor's name ifi t means we finish earlier

[acoustic sapphire]

It'd be nice if my team consistently fought for the team, and not just for the finish line. It's more rewarding.
But y'all are right. I'm not going to change anyone's play style just by berating them.

[wooden lotus]

there's no excuse for them playing like shit but don't get banned because of something that won't change the outcome of the match, y'know?

if it did then yeah garrote the fuckers

[inland orchid]

make them feel like the emperor is judging them over their shoulder

[sleek garden]

did you replace the n word with shitty team mate for us

[white minnow]

i'm fine with people dying cuz stuff happens and it's fine to have new players check out the difficulty for themselves
but when they die like >6 times and in fairly negligent conditions, that's when i start to get mad because i have to run back to revive them constantly

[wooden lotus]

oh yeah

don't call people slurs

[trim steppe]

I will risk my own extract to save someone but I won't throw a match to do it

[wooden lotus]

if you got banned for slurs that's on you lmao

[raw steppe]

you're nice lmao

sometimes I dont even bother rezzing people I run by

[wooden lotus]

i usually put a "we will remember you" to acknowledge it

[acoustic sapphire]

No. I didn't use any gamer words. I pulled out my thesarus and called him every synonym for stupid and coward I could think of.

[wooden lotus]

usually clears the air

[sleek garden]

you still seem like a jerk

yes a lot of people are stupid

but like i dont start yelling at them i just complain in a text chat later on to my friends that this xbox player was a moron

[acoustic sapphire]

Call me what you like, but a shitty team mate is a shitty team mate. I won't apologize for saying that.

[tall torrent]

Honestly just type “learn melee pls”
Gets the message across without direct insults

[acoustic sapphire]

Learn Melee please.

[tall torrent]

I get what u feel my rescued operatives number went up by 50 in a week lol

[spring spindle]

We were struggling. Someone died on evac. He said “leave me”

The Ogryn immediately responded “no” and bull rushed to his spawn. Me also being another Ogryn follower suite

[crude fiber]

some goober dropped a medpack when i as a martydom zealot was the only person with low health. i just put "y" in the chat and moved on

[acoustic sapphire]

See, that's how I play. I'll dance through a horde of Maulers just to save someone, and I'll usually win.

[spring spindle]

Usually I can do it with my Ogryn build because I just make myself as tanky as possible

[acoustic sapphire]

It's always that one Poxwalker that downs me though.

[spring spindle]

Plus. That’s just nature for Ogryns. Everyone looks like a tiny child and I’m the big man

[shy maple]

is there even a report function in this game lmao

or how did you get banned first time im hearing anyone get banned lol

[acoustic sapphire]

There is. That's how I got banned for a day.

[shy maple]

just flame in voice chat 5head

[tall torrent]

I don’t even know where “report player” button is

[acoustic sapphire]

Open social, and find recent players. You can report them through that.

[tall torrent]

Ah ok

[crude fiber]

with how shitty and slow the menues are in this game that takes some dedication lol

you must have really hurt thats dudes feelings

[shy maple]

you on na by any chance ?

guess most europeans wouldnt bother to report kekw

[acoustic sapphire]

I was downed saving an Ogryn who got pounced on by a Pox Hound.
The player in question sat in the Valkyrie waiting on everyone to die for about 4 minutes.
I had time.

Yeah, NA.

[shy maple]

"muh feelings" haha

[slow spade]

Shit teammates get the slurs

[shy maple]

indeed

[slow spade]

As the Omnissiah wills

[raw steppe]

I ain't gonna lie

[shy maple]

i wont stop calling out lil b1tches

[slow spade]

Miss a block? Instant hard-R

[raw steppe]

I think he made the right call there

I would've done the same

if 3 teammates are dying and I made it to the dropship

[slow spade]

I'm built different, I would have won

[tall torrent]

especially hab dreyko

[shy maple]

yeah either all go back home or noone does

[tall torrent]

It’s not like them not getting revived will reduce their rewards

[shy maple]

idk kinda boring to play like this in a coop party shooter

ngl

[acoustic sapphire]

Bro, he ran while two of us were saving the pinned Ogryn.
I couldn't shoot through the horde, and a tox flamer downed me.
He was running the entire time. He had plenty of ammo left, and space to fight.
He could have saved us.

[tall torrent]

What class were u

[raw steppe]

idk man if it was the hab dreko ending sequence

where you have to run

you just gotta run

[agile forge]

Only a heretic would put a few lives over the Holy mission

[acoustic sapphire]

Psyker.

[agile forge]

Your only loyalty is to The Emperor

[acoustic sapphire]

Using smite.

[raw steppe]

I also think it's unreasonable to expect someone to turn around and save you if you fuck up and get downed lmao

it's not his fault you went down

[torpid pier]

your mistake is having expectations for your teammates

[acoustic sapphire]

That's a terrible attitude. I wouldn't hesitate to turn around and get you back up. You do more by killing heretics than dying like one.

[agile forge]

I'd be a lot more mad if somebody threw by coming back for me lol

[shy maple]

idk why play a co op teamplay when you dont wanna teamplay

[acoustic sapphire]

True.

[shy maple]

like seriously

might aswell play cod

[agile forge]

Teamplay is to secure the objective

[white minnow]

cuz this game's gameplay is quite unique

[raw steppe]

I mean, if I fuck up and someone saves me it's great

but in the end

I was the one who fucked up

[white minnow]

and the difficulty is still balanced around having some human characters

[raw steppe]

so it's nobody's fault that I died except my own

[shy maple]

sounds like skill issue

[tall torrent]

Teamplay is to win and if one person gets out at the very end, everybody wins

[shy maple]

sorry i dont speak beta male

:^)

[white minnow]

even if you could solo with rewards, bots have a hard time surviving and it becomes a slow slog, esp since it'll be slower if i want to pick up mats

[raw steppe]

I do wish they'd fix the bots tho

[tall torrent]

What map even was it

[raw steppe]

let me use my other characters as bots

[tall torrent]

If it’s hab dreyko u just run at the end if u could

[agile forge]

Hab Dreyko's final escape gets worse with every moment that passes

[slow spade]

Sorry my duty to the Emperor says none shall live 💅💅💅

[raw steppe]

Yeah but see, you're imposing your own expectations on other people. Why should other people be expected to have your standards?

I think that's very unreasonable

[acoustic sapphire]

On the higher difficulties, team play is crucial. You'll always be stronger with a team of 4 than a team of 3. I always go for the revive.

[slow spade]

Ah but when has my opinion ever been objectively wrong?

[raw steppe]

If you're a vegan, then great; but should other people be expected to be vegan just cuz you wanna save animals?

[white minnow]

though it's a pub game and people are gonna play however they want

as long as how they're playing doesn't massively interfere with how i play, then i don't care

[tall torrent]

??

[agile forge]

When the escape is like 30s away though and you have a clear path, and behind you is a wall of elites moving up to you?

[slow spade]

Need to have the beta helmet

[tall torrent]

lol

[raw steppe]

Not really lmao. On a5 histg/maels it's always the "teamplay" shitters who die a lot. Usually the best teammates I've seen can handle their shit solo if they get forced/split.

[agile forge]

Fuck yeah I'd get out and leave the rest to the Emperor

[acoustic sapphire]

I haven't memorized the map names yet. It was the one with the giant rotating room. You have to carry the mugafin back to the ship.

[white minnow]

o excise vault

no wait

[tall torrent]

Ascension riser?

[white minnow]

back to the ship

[raw steppe]

riser

[slow spade]

Ascension Riser

The one with the funny stairways of gunners

[white minnow]

can't believe they added another circular room with a carry objective related to it

[acoustic sapphire]

If we ever team up, I'll rez you a dozen times.

[slow spade]

Don't worry they added 50 gunners to make it different

[raw steppe]

See that's kinda the problem lol

sometimes you shouldn't rezz people

i had this one game where this guy died out in the open

and my two teammates tried to rezz him and got gunner'd down

and I ended up taking like 10 minutes to clear everything and rezz them all at the next checkpoint

[slow spade]

I play VoC vet. Would have been an easy save

ALWAYS use VoC is the lesson

Also buff VoC

[agile forge]

CIAG more fun with E Stance

[acoustic sapphire]

I get more use out of infinite frags.
Blow up the horde, and voice of command to make space.
VoC gets more uses that way.

[agile forge]

Probably not better but definitely more fun

[slow spade]

Blocked for different opinion

[agile forge]

Blocked for objective wrongliness