Hopefully they drop some actual armor for veteran
#veteran-class
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lyric dock
I'm hoping for practical armor for Vet
lyric dock
That's a cool piece of armor
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Prob a modded Armor tho
lyric dock
Though I do like what currently did for my Vet
gusty bison
Ooo nice
Also found a reddit gem
This fucking build was recommended
Which is... a thing
lyric dock
What in the Frag is that build
trim steppe
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9a6d953c-9c2a-4047-b3c0-b30383ff4737/sp...
CURSED
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I can probably throw together a very adhoc Boltor build that's miles better than that
gusty bison
The worst part is
That was a recommendation for a guy with this buuld
Which frankly is a player i hope never to see on my team
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gusty bison
Cos thats clearly the ammo hogger
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Though I do like what currently did for my Vet
I been rocking this
lyric dock
That's 100% the "No ammo modifier" on legs
lyric dock
I been rocking this
That's a pretty nice Vet you have
gusty bison
Yep
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Any Boltgun build that says “gun is primary, melee is secondary” is automatically bad tbh
gusty bison
The remaining half of the reddit thread is recommending the guy runs plasma instead
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Unless u run exe stance in fog like craime
gusty bison
Which is 🤮
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Reddit people rly have no idea how to play this game
gusty bison
Nope
lyric dock
Reddit is the last place you want to get advice from
gusty bison
They seem to get offended when you suggest the boltgun is a precision weapon that can 1 tap enemies
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Boltgun magdump? Play zealot
Zealot actually has the talents to make magdump Boltgun good
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I just saw a guy with character level 727 who had added 10% weakspot damage to BOTH his weapons
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It’s so good in fact that u can casually 1 mag 60% of plague Ogryn’s health
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Proof that you need nothing but time to get high level
gusty bison
And they get mad that they cant kill 3 ragers in 1 clip cos, and I quote: "The weapon doesnt do enough damage. It should 2 shot ragers."
lyric dock
It’s so good in fact that u can casually 1 mag 60% of plague Ogryn’s health
That's actually quite impressive
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That's actually quite impressive
Cavalcade + pinning fire, get 20% unyielding talent, pop Dmg stim, proc duelist & dance of death from a dodge somewhere, activate fury dash and just hipfire magdump headshot
gusty bison
Yep
lyric dock
God damn. That's insane 0.o
gusty bison
Cavalcade + pinning fire, get 20% unyielding talent, pop Dmg stim, proc duelist ...
Dash doesnt do anything for Plogryns
As a note
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Not just super effective but also very fun
gusty bison
Bolter deals full damage to them
lyric dock
And nothing like Emperor approved Cocaine injected into the veins
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I love injecting Zealots with Red stimms and watching them just go ham
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Seeing boss hp drop 50% within 2s is a pretty huge morale boost for ur less experienced teammates
gusty bison
Mhm
trim steppe
Thats why I love the thunder hammer so much
gusty bison
Great also for finishing off a daemonhost before it kills ur teammate
lyric dock
I had one game recently as my psyker where a chaos spawn just got stun locked so hard by a combination of VOid strike staff headshots from me and rock head shots from the ogryn
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You wake up a host with a swing and listen for the sound of everyone shitting their pants before you cap her again before she even activates
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Cavalcade + pinning fire, get 20% unyielding talent, pop Dmg stim, proc duelist ...
The only issue with this playstyle is that you’re gonna be ammo hungry when you actually do pull the gun out
gusty bison
Can zealot 2 tap ragers?
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Not sure, not rly a big deal tbh?
gusty bison
I think with the 25% short range damage boost they can
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I played Boltgun + crusher
Heavy sword or crusher are both good weapons to pair with Boltgun
lyric dock
Why would a Zealot shot a rager when they'll just dive into the rager ball with their melee out shounting "EMPEROR DEMANDS YOU TO DIE"
gusty bison
Its not a big deal but its nice to know
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Also run throwing knives for special sniping
gusty bison
I know vet can hipfire 2 tap ragers at short ranges
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Its not a big deal but its nice to know
I unfortunately don’t know cuz the 2 weapons I ran with Boltgun bully ragers really hard
gusty bison
Ye
lyric dock
Some vets need to go back to basics
I swear I see storm troopers aim better than some of the vets I seen recently
gusty bison
Speaking of basics
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90% bad players in damnation can be summed up as “learn melee pls”
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Suppression is like
Not a terrible pick
I just wouldn’t run it for Boltgun
For a shotgun I’d get it
lyric dock
It works for some weapons
gusty bison
I wouldnt run it on any precision weapon
lyric dock
Boltor isn't that weapon
gusty bison
Ye
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I wouldnt run it on any precision weapon
Reddit people don’t understand what precision weapon is
lyric dock
90% bad players in damnation can be summed up as “learn melee pls”
Add on "Learn to dodge"
I swear I see people face tanking shit
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Add on "Learn to dodge"
That’s just part of learning melee
gusty bison
Reddit people don’t understand what precision weapon is
Reddit people get mad when u tell them bolter can 1 shot ragers with good aim and they are like:
"Whatcha mean im not supposed to mag dump my bolter into the wall."
And demand more damage
Not realizing that damage isnt the problem lmao
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Boltgun Dmg isn’t the big problem
gusty bison
The big problem is they are shooting walls
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The big problem is jank
gusty bison
Also that tbf
lyric dock
And demand more damage
If I would make any change to the boltor is just make pull out a good bit faster and fix the various jank bugs it has
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Slow draw, slow reload, bad recoil
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I wouldn’t mind if they slowed Boltgun firerate in ads down but gave it next to zero recoil
dusk jacinth
lyric dock
Removing the cocking when you pull out the Boltgun would be good enough for making the pull out a bit faster
gusty bison
I wouldn’t mind if they slowed Boltgun firerate in ads down but gave it next to ...
Wouldnt feel good tbh
It wouldnt feel like a bolter
Bolter should feel meaty
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Bolter should feel meaty
I mean like
They can keep the high visual recoil
But make the actual bullet pattern recoil very low
So u keep the meaty visual feedback without gimping its accuracy
gusty bison
I mean like
They can keep the high visual recoil
But make the actual bullet patt...
Fair enuff.
Slowing down its rof doesnt really affect it anyway since ur waiting for the reset
Unless u are a reddit warrior that can put 7 shots into a wall and leave the gunner unscathed
lyric dock
Unless u are a reddit warrior that can put 7 shots into a wall and leave the gun...
More like a Cartoon bullet outline
gusty bison
Yep
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Unless u are a reddit warrior that can put 7 shots into a wall and leave the gun...
Btw have u seen the document I been working on
gusty bison
Btw have u seen the document I been working on
Nope
gusty bison
Ah
lyric dock
Will have to take a look at it when I got some time
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Will have to take a look at it when I got some time
That version was like 2 weeks ago
The current version has all veteran base stat lines & melee weapons done
gusty bison
Always prepared isnt good for shotgund
Tbh
Cos it cant load a special shot
You do take it on the way to reload speed though
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Yes for shotguns I think taking that for 20% reload speed is ok
gusty bison
Yep
Its like
The only weapon that takes it
Ye looks mostlyfine
Some stuff I do like taking but i can agree is niche
Like deadshot
The avg person reading this guide will not be able to use it lel
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Niche is not “bad”
Niche is “think before u take”
gusty bison
Ye
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Besides niche, it goes great > good > decent
gusty bison
I feel like exec stance should be niche then
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I was going to then I read what it actually did
The amount of buffs u get is pretty huge
There’re few weapons that genuinely don’t benefit much from it
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Gets some silly breakpoints
gusty bison
Does it?
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Also keeps it running better than others because bayonet kills can refresh it
gusty bison
I dont think it pushes my mk 2 to any new ones
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With mk1
Mk2 can 1HS flamers closer
Mk1 might even be able to 1 tap reaper if u build +elite perk
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lmao
Yes, like I said
After reading the buffs it actually gave I think it’s a really strong ability bogged down by bad pathing
gusty bison
Just 2 stacks of course
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I think you can 1 tap ragers with focus target no?
Needs crit
Cuz Helbore lower maniac Dmg
gusty bison
Ah fair
gusty bison
Yes, like I said
After reading the buffs it actually gave I think it’s a really ...
And stiff competition
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Lemme show u the weapon pages
gusty bison
Proceeds to flail like a lunatic
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The other two abilities are well
I think infil is good but also bogged down by bad pathing
gusty bison
Those two make pathing painful
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It’s that
When u read the whole thing
Ur gonna realize
Building middle & left at bottom half
Is much more generally useful than going right
gusty bison
Mhm
The exception is agile engagement builds
But those either skip surv or eat a HEFTY tax
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melee weapon page for chainsword I made
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Ranged weapons I finished infantry lasgun, infantry autogun, Helbore & plasma
Not sure which to do next
gusty bison
Bolder
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Boltgun is too hot a topic for me to do rn
gusty bison
Its a popular one
Theres two main builds tbh
Surg DMR
And cava hipfire
You can cater to both crowds there
Although one of them shoyld play zealot instead lel
Otherwise
headhunters
Easy one
Or las pistol
Those are pretty uncontroversial
Volver as well is very uncontroversial
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Volver as well is very uncontroversial
Revolver is surprisingly controversial because one crowd thinks it’s overrated and another thinks it’s the most broken gun ever
gusty bison
Revolver is surprisingly controversial because one crowd thinks it’s overrated a...
I meant like
The build
gusty bison
Wait r u doing a tier list
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Also I’m not putting cavalcade Boltgun magdump in there
I’m exclusively putting surgical + PF
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Wait r u doing a tier list
No
gusty bison
I mean you can always just not mention what weapons are "better"
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But weapons are kinda “rated”
There’s a bracket next to their Mk# that says if they’re great, good, decent, niche, etc
gusty bison
Tbf Id say volver u can very safely put in great without much controversy
trim steppe
is there any nuance/weird shit involved in the difference between Deathspitter and Fire Frenzy?
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Tbf Id say volver u can very safely put in great without much controversy
I alr did
gusty bison
The people who see it as overrated are still gonna agree its a really good gun
Ye
The argument is whether its borked OP or not
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is there any nuance/weird shit involved in the difference between Deathspitter a...
Deathspitter is 5 stacks of 6.5% power
Fire frenzy is 5 stacks of 10% dmg
Usually deathspitter is the better pick imo
gusty bison
Power is damage stagger and cleave
gusty bison
There’s a bracket next to their Mk# that says if they’re great, good, decent, ni...
Hum
There are niche guns?
gusty bison
U got me
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Mk14 revolver
trim steppe
Deathspitter is 5 stacks of 6.5% power
Fire frenzy is 5 stacks of 10% dmg
But they both work as intended/written with no secret knowledge?
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Boltgun, Even
gusty bison
Really? Boltgun?
trim steppe
Like I know dumdum is weird and better than it says
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But they both work as intended/written with no secret knowledge?
Both stack of 5, deathspitter doesn’t write it for some reason
gusty bison
Id put V7 in niche before bolter
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Really? Boltgun?
Would u really tell the avg damnation player to pick up a Boltgun
gusty bison
Would u really tell the avg damnation player to pick up a Boltgun
I would tell them to pick up a bolter over uh
Every other "precision" gun that isnt the volver or plasma
Cos at least bolter does something on bodyshots
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Idk I think Boltgun is a really specialty weapon even for precision weapons
gusty bison
Do u trust the avg damn vet with a helbore? Or worse, a vraks?
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Do u trust the avg damn vet with a helbore? Or worse, a vraks?
The difference is Helbore only takes like very generic talent picks to function while playing Boltgun forces u into playing very specific talents
gusty bison
The difference is Helbore only takes like very generic talent picks to function ...
Ok true
But I feel like its easier to tell someone to use X talents
Than to expect them to master a vraks 7
Cos Vraks is really feast or famine
Vraks also requires a razor edge build
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Vraks7 I put at good
gusty bison
Mhm its a good gun i agree
frank basin
Da recoil suck for me to land on head
gusty bison
I just wouldnt trust the avg vet with it
Cos the avg vet cant hit heads
Even with aim assist revolver
gusty bison
True
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They could run the most cracked infantry autogun build and still flash a daemonhost by accident
frank basin
Skill gating :boowomp:
gusty bison
Imho. I would put the Vraks 7 in niche just cos it takes skill to make the most of. Its like deadshot.
Deadshot is good in the right hands. But its not for everyone
Same for V7
What did u put A9 in btw?
XD
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Lemme just type these out
gusty bison
Skill gating :boowomp:
I s2g some of these vets can miss with a smartgun in cyberpunk
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MG1a good
MG4 decent
MG12 decent
HB1 good
HB2 good
HB3 niche
Recon2 underperforming
Recon6d niche
Recon7a niche
Laspistol 2 good
Laspistol 10 decent
Agrip1 good
Colum5 great
Graia8 good
Colum2 decent
Graia8 decent
Agrip8 good
Vraks3 good
Vraks7 good
Agrip9 decent
Autopistol underperforming
Boltgun niche
Plasma great
Zarona great
Agrip14 niche
Law6 niche
Agrip7 niche
Kant9 niche
gusty bison
I think most of these i agree with ye
And the ones i dont agree with are edge cases that could go either wsy
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Which would u change
frank basin
Graia to great
frank basin
Brauto lol
gusty bison
Bolter i would put at good. In practice its an easier to use helbore for most.
Autopistol is on te fringe of niche.
A9 is definitely niche. 95% of people arent good enough to use this gun well.
Thats it i would say
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Bolter i would put at good. In practice its an easier to use helbore for most.
...
Tbh I tried A9 and it’s essentially crouch spray machine
gusty bison
Others look exactly like how i would ut it
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Autopistol I think is a really awkward tool for vet
Considering this is a vet guide
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Don’t tell me u run onslaught
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Raking fire is fine tbh
gusty bison
Yea but its a weird diving build that plays like zealot
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I just think running autopistol in the first place and saying goodbye to any semblance of accuracy past 15m is a really bad tradeoff for veteran
gusty bison
Thats a fair statement
When I run that build I am the bullet lmao
Basically ur a zealot
No ifs and buts about it
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And I think even for that build the gun isn’t doing that great
gusty bison
IAGs do it better
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U could run a laspistol raking fire build and prob do better
gusty bison
Thats for sure
radiant chasm
autopistol is fine with exe stance, with the recoil and spread reduction
not the META it used to be
gusty bison
V3 ate a nerf in P14
radiant chasm
but i'd rank shredder with the worst of the iAGS and brautos
gusty bison
Its no longer the creme la creme
Cos of the finesse nerf
IAGs out dps it now
Its still a good gun
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Patch13 v3 was the real winner yet everybody was on the recon train
gusty bison
Yep
radiant chasm
really wish patch notes were easier to access
radiant chasm
i dont see the vraks 3 change
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really wish patch notes were easier to access
Basically they nerfed the living shit out of v3 finesse and unyielding Dmg
radiant chasm
● Bash weapon special
○ Tweaked hitboxes to be a bit easier to hit
○ Increased speed of normal/heavy bash
○ Added chain window from hip shoot so shooting won’t lock you out from firing
as much.
● Vraks Mk III Headhunter Autogun
○ Tweaked recoil behaviour
gusty bison
i dont see the vraks 3 change
Finesse nerfed from 2.7x to 2.25x
gusty bison
Mhm
P13 buffed all the HHs from 2.25x to 2.7x
Then v3 got nerfed back later to 2.25
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Bolter i would put at good. In practice its an easier to use helbore for most.
...
How abt giving Boltgun a unique rating
Cuz I gave mk13 chainsword “incoherent” rating
gusty bison
Can work
"Counterintuitive"
Lel
Lets u avoid the hot debate of whether its good or ass.
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I think it’s a specialty weapon
There’s only 2 use cases for it
Option 1 is as a specialty precision weapon
Option 2 is magdump boss dps
gusty bison
Tru
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Vet just is not as good as zealot at option 2
gusty bison
Mhm
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And option 1 is a massive point sink to make the gun function
gusty bison
I suppose ye
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That sounds like “niche”
gusty bison
I guess if u factor in build investment
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I pretty much always do tbh
gusty bison
I personally rate guns in context of their better/best builds
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Plasma is rated great even though it’s also somewhat of a point sink
Plasma actually has BPs to build
I think its power greatly exceeds the investment needed to make it work best
gusty bison
Yep
Also it uh
Can be used by a potato
Vraks 7 iirc has a razor edge build though
So if u wanna say bolter is niche. V7 should also be niche
Cos V7 is also super build tight and is a even greater feast or famine gun
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Vraks 7 iirc has a razor edge build though
V7 can function without being a massive point sink tho
Like it works perfectly fine even if u just treat it as a rapid fire helbore replacement
timid otter
I dont think kant shotgun should be placed with the others
Its in near every department better then the other shotguns
Higher damage, strong special, more penetration.
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I think kant9 is generally most useful but still “niche” in the grand scheme of things
timid otter
Lawbringer could probably just be put down as underperforming
Its very unremarkable weapon overall. espically when compared to its siblings
Has a special that doesnt do a whole lot
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Flechette scattershot works I think?
timid otter
Damage profile wise its outdone by kant expect in like 21-22 meter range.
timid otter
Flechette scattershot works I think?
I think its an actual meme to do that setup
You have to proc the special multiple times, put multiple shots into enemies for bleed to do anything
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Hmm ok
timid otter
Not to mention the lawbringer loses its penetration by going into ADS
And not going into ADS loses alot of shotguns dps to begin with.
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So for shotgun blessings
Law6
Full bore + no respite
Agrip7
Full bore + no respite
Kant9
No respite/scattershot/man-stopper
?
gusty bison
I run Agei shotty with fullbore manstopper
But thats a meme build
It works
But its meme
Not a normal build
timid otter
Full bore is actually pretty solid on the kant aswell
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Full bore is actually pretty solid on the kant aswell
Spread too wide for much use besides ogryn & boss Dmg
If a single pellet misses on a rager it’s not gonna activate
timid otter
From what i saw testing it in the psykanium the range it had was still pretty respectable on the kant
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And I don’t think full bore gives any notable breakpoints for kant9
No respite gives consistent 2 shot on elites
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If deathspitter worked for the fire DoT kills I’d put that as 2nd best
but it doesn’t
also just checked
Kant9’s fire DoT kills CANNOT activate agile engagement
It’s so over
timid otter
I wouldnt see shotguns either as complete BP weapons
They suffer harsh damage falloff.
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I’d call retaining consistent 2 shot vs any elite within like 15m a breakpoint to care abt
timid otter
Yes but extending that breakpoint to longer away is also good to do with that weapon.
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Kant9’s fire DoT kills CANNOT activate agile engagement
Just went ahead and changed AE’s description in talent tree
Improves dps & dmg breakpoints for weapons with fast swap speed. Can activate from melee kills with ranged weapons, but not from dmg over time effects (ex: Mk9 shotgun’s fire shells).
bitter turtle
that is another reason
why
i didnt like the meme bleed fire kant
for weapon specialist, it does not proc
so you have to wait for them to bleed out before yous witch
really
MEH
tame lodge
Lawbringer could probably just be put down as underperforming
Not sure about underperforming
timid otter
Not sure about underperforming
Why?
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i didnt like the meme bleed fire kant
Actually
It’s very weird
DoT kills contribute to whatever weapon u had when the kill happened for weapon specialist
bitter turtle
Yeah
So you actually get melee kills tavks
Lol
I was hoping it'd activate melee wep specialist since someone lied to me and says it does
Forgot who
tame lodge
Why?
It's a balance between damage, stagger, spread
The special creates breathing room and thin hordes
merry glade
here's what im rocking for columnus V now, but thinking of making another.
any specific perks/blessings to look for?
timid otter
Left one is lawbringer right one is kant
There are very few ranges where lawbringer actually has higher damage.
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Fuck it
I’m adding a new rating
“Weak”
All 3 tac axes go in there
Lawbringer can go in there too
Didn’t want to type underperforming cuz it ruins the format’s clean look
merry glade
are tac axes just worse knives thinkinemoji
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are tac axes just worse knives thinkinemoji
Worse combat axe
They’re a bit better than knife at horde clear but worse mobility & single target Dmg
merry glade
fair. it just feels like it takes way too many hits just to kill anything with em, never understood the use case for em
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With old BM they were ok
merry glade
or maybe you gotta build specifically for it 
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The new BM is much more geared towards horizontal/diagonal high Dmg per hit weapons that want 1 hit kill breakpoints
Let’s just say that tac axes aren’t like that
tame lodge
There are very few ranges where lawbringer actually has higher damage.
It is kinda interesting that shotguns can reach up to 90m
merry glade
wish they'd add a human-sized shotty that performs like the uh, ogryn kickback
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We should get the same magfed shotgun that scab shotgunners use
merry glade
yeah or just a magfed shotty
merry glade
like current shotguns are alright, but the reload method makes them not worth imo
timid otter
3 shots from them was downed i think as vet or psyker.
1 shot was enough to instant break toughness
tame lodge
We need a Pancor Jackhammer
thin flame
just did a high intensity hab dreyko
that mission is the definition of evil..
felt like a real kriegsman though lol
tame lodge
Yeah, you gotta ping where you're going
tiny summit
Part of me likes it because it's like the only finale that is challenging and has an actual "extraction" portion that isn't just a free walk to home free. But also the other part of me says "holy shit the director needs to learn pacing". Most other finales? Chill. Likely the least stressful part of a mission. Hab Dreyko? This finale is like a failure of enemy mob pacing
serene bough
Yeah some parts of dreyko are nuts
Kind of fits the setting bc it is a hab afterall
umbral scaffold
I've seen so many teams wipe at the first scan section when they don't know how to deal with the endless enemy spawning.
vocal cipher
which mission is hab dreyko again?
umbral scaffold
The "new plague strain" mission.
midnight mortar
which mission is hab dreyko again?
Finale is running around a Plague Tree.
vocal cipher
oh THAT ONE
void rampart
Part of me likes it because it's like the only finale that is challenging and ha...
I want more missions with actual escape gauntlet sections.
trim steppe
here's what im rocking for columnus V now, but thinking of making another.
any s...
I mean, this is just about perfect. You want flak/maniac which you already have. There's very little to do other than go for 80% stopping power and T4s. Ideally I'd want T4 Dumdum locked so I could swap in and out the other blessing. Deathspitter, Raking Fire, and Stripped Down are all ones I would use in different builds.
void rampart
Festering Grounds always had one of my favourite escapes back in Vermintide
winged warren
Mr Catto answered all my questions but please do bossman
They really should remove BM from rashad
trim steppe
They really should remove BM from rashad
You take that back
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They really should remove BM from rashad
You’re high
bitter turtle
Mr Catto answered all my questions but please do bossman
nah
i wanted to avoid that
bc the point of the doc
was just to asnwer ppl what to put on weapon
not tell them which weapon to play
winged warren
You’re high
:p
Then not opee anymore
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:p
Then not opee anymore
Rashad without BM is literally unplayable
This is one of the VERY few weapons that goes instantly unplayable without a specific blessing
winged warren
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But also
winged warren
But sir
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All 3 combat axes without BM would be unplayable
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Just horrible take
winged warren
:(
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Only combat axe with some innate cleave is Antax
Which goes up to 1.8 at 80% cleave target roll
And it’s still really bad
white minnow
antax has the push-attack at least
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It’s just completely unplayable without BM
winged warren
What if, they made BM slightly worse then?
white minnow
w/o bm, rashad would be relegated to a single-target role which would be fine though it'd ideally have some form of cleave after such a change
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What if, they made BM slightly worse then?
Why do u need it to be worse
white minnow
and the combat axes also can stack two power blessings if nothing else
bitter turtle
its acceptable at single target
but not good enough that it would be able to thrive if thats all it could do
tall torrent
and the combat axes also can stack two power blessings if nothing else
Decimator is not that great tbh
winged warren
Why do u need it to be worse
So weapons are more distinct
winged warren
Dats true but Rashad do everything
white minnow
as some flavor of single-target
though i agree that purely single-target melees without some oomph like knife's mobility are going to be a worse option in a horde game like this (depending on ranged weapon)
tall torrent
Dats true but Rashad do everything
It’s very strong at everything but unless you have 4/4 perfect it makes you have to put points into melee dmg
And that means it won’t fit into some point hungry builds
bitter turtle
they can just nerf one of the damage types
if they really want to nerf it
you have plenty to choose from
dont need to completely neuter the horde
white minnow
BM does need to be touched in some way
tall torrent
Like, if you’re gonna be playing Boltgun veteran, it’s hard to fit Rashad
white minnow
well it's an axe and i hope it should retain some good single-target
tall torrent
BM does need to be touched in some way
Would be kinda hard to realistically nerf it
winged warren
Honestly I'm just thinking out loud. Ofc I'm still going to grind my Rashad
white minnow
BM is the thing that's messing up the weapon's identity
bitter turtle
bm should be teouched the same way power cycler needs to be touched
tall torrent
I would honestly be ok if they rework BM again
bitter turtle
weapons shouldnt be so ultra dependent on it to function
tall torrent
Carry its first target dmg to 4 enemies on weakspot hit, no weakspot dmg bonus
Old BM inf cleave was bonkers
tall torrent
Carry its first target dmg to 4 enemies on weakspot hit, no weakspot dmg bonus
This doesn’t sound the worst
And prob takes away the bruiser 1HS breakpoint necessities
winged warren
Make attack speed slower when using BM
tall torrent
But at the same time
This can also be very busted because that’s essentially sunder but always on
So idk how they can really realistically nerf BM at this stage
winged warren
Make attack speed slower when using BM <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
Wat if they do this
white minnow
a simple numerical change would be to drop it from 4 targets to 2 targets
winged warren
Or reduce number of cleave by 1
bitter turtle
better to 4->3
tall torrent
a simple numerical change would be to drop it from 4 targets to 2 targets
3 is ok tbh?
old quail
bm should be a weapon property rather than a blessing. achlys h1 should be more brutal than rashad lights
bitter turtle
going to +1 target from +3 is literally over a 50% nerf
white minnow
because you also get the good single-target that comes with rashads package
bitter turtle
idk about you but i prefer incremental nerfs
white minnow
yes the point is to nerf it though?
bitter turtle
over what happened to recon
tall torrent
even just 2 is quite good
2 is way too low for horde
bitter turtle
yes
white minnow
yeah and a weapon should make sacrifices
white minnow
sure, you can play around the lower hordeclear with your other weapons
weapons should have meaningful differences and properties
if you want a weapon with good hordeclear
go take another weapon
that's the solution
in a game with many weapons to pick from
winged warren
yeah and a weapon should make sacrifices
Ye dat how I feel too
tall torrent
if you want a weapon with good hordeclear
That’s the issue then because if BM gets nerfed into that status, veteran melee meta just devolves into power sword 24/7
bitter turtle
i agree with that and i think its fine to nerf it
winged warren
That's why peesword should be nerfed
white minnow
sure, and we can make changes to the psword as well
bitter turtle
but why not try 33% nerf
instead of 66%
lol
like i said
whats wrong with incremental nerf
white minnow
sure we can go with an incremental nerf
tall torrent
BM cleave 3 is fine, 2 is way too much
winged warren
Everyday I love arco more ||because he validates my opinions||
white minnow
but i still think that +2 targets is already too good
bitter turtle
we already see what happen when they nerf a shitton all at once
(recon)
becomes meme status
tall torrent
but i still think that +2 targets is already too good
It’s not going to be as fast as swords anymore and that’s good enough
bitter turtle
and im not convinced that a 2 target rashad would distinguish itself enough from knife to be worth
its slower to kill elite, slower mobility, all it gets is 1 more kill in a horde?
winged warren
and im not convinced that a 2 target rashad would distinguish itself enough from...
Imo it should be something like, at a high level
Knife struggle to even handle horde
Rashad struggle to clear horde but can handle horde
Other weapons can clear horde
white minnow
deterministic kill 2 bruisers with a single swing would put it above the knife clear
tall torrent
If Rashad only hits 3 enemies then both DC & CS would beat it by a pretty wide margin in killing poxers while Rashad still has better bruiser performance
bitter turtle
deterministic kill 2 bruisers with a single swing would put it above the knife c...
yes, it would be above knife clear, but is the tradeoff actually worth killing 1 extra target in a horde
both can 1shot on attacks in hordes
winged warren
Handle as in not die from horde, clear is well urm, you really "win"?
tall torrent
That's why peesword should be nerfed
How do u plan on nerfing it lol
white minnow
i don't value mobility very much so sure i consider it worth it
winged warren
yes, it would be above knife clear, but is the tradeoff actually worth killing 1...
That's up to the player and his preferences
bitter turtle
That's up to the player and his preferences
yes, and im saying I dont think its enough to distinguish the weapon, so im advocating that an incremental nerf first is better
and i dont see the harm in it if it hypothetically happened
the worst case scenario is
oh no
rashad is above average still
instead of worst case being
tall torrent
yes, and im saying I dont think its enough to distinguish the weapon, so im advo...
I don’t think there’s even a need to nerf BM lower from 3
bitter turtle
another unplayable weapon
winged warren
How do u plan on nerfing it lol
I never thought about it because I feel too repulsed.
But tbf after the bullshit I said would you really take what I say seriously
bitter turtle
as if we have too many choices already
wheni was writing melee weapon
i went
"wait is that it" lmao
white minnow
well, we do have a lot of good choices
bitter turtle
not that many weapons in the game
tall torrent
I never thought about it because I feel too repulsed.
But tbf after the bullshi...
I value ur input as much as I think ur shitposting
white minnow
it's not patch 12 anymore
winged warren
I value ur input as much as I think ur shitposting
Thr remove BM thing defo I didn't think through, I admit.
bitter turtle
idk
i think it only feels like u have a lot of choices to play stuff in this game bc you spent 10 years rolling the weapon out
kek
there's not that many weapons
for a class
tall torrent
well, we do have a lot of good choices
Yes a lot of options
But after writing every single veteran melee page those “other options” it really wasn’t that diverse of a selection
white minnow
i think it's quite a lot
the amount of weapons we have are to the point where i'm pressed to think of a new weapon that can distinguish itself from others
besides animations
winged warren
Like my feeling is, why would anyone run say a horde clear melee like dclaw when there's rashad, peesword that can do that AND kill elites/specials
rigid pilot
There's 2h powersword in the files, but I too struggle to think how to fit that into the game
bitter turtle
"put one light in the middle of your heavy spam :^)"
of course they dont distinguish themselves
white minnow
yeah and differing combos can get covered by weapon variants
bitter turtle
yes
rigid pilot
1h psword is already slow and already minces everything
trim steppe
Like my feeling is, why would anyone run say a horde clear melee like dclaw when...
Dclaw is specifically for the parry
bitter turtle
repeat for almost every weapon class
tall torrent
Like my feeling is, why would anyone run say a horde clear melee like dclaw when...
DC is a lower point investment weapon with very high defense stats
rigid pilot
2h powersword slower and mincier?
white minnow
yeah i was just referring to between variants and not within
e.g., between caxes and tactical axes, not within caxes
tall torrent
There's 2h powersword in the files, but I too struggle to think how to fit that ...
We’re getting rinda’s sword aren’t we
bitter turtle
im just saying, plenty of ways ot distinguish new weapons
they just dont
nor am i really expecting them to rework movesets tbh
they shouldnt anyway
white minnow
yeah though i'd consider that just a combo rework
bitter turtle
just make a new weapon
white minnow
for how braindead comboes are for a lot of weapons
winged warren
DC is a lower point investment weapon with very high defense stats
So I guess the variety is in terms of how much plasteel and dockets the player needs to spend? But I feel players are going to grind for the S tier weapons anyway.
bitter turtle
point being, we already lack options for sufficiently different gameplay between weapons
rigid pilot
Give me a bretsword and I'll play for another 1000 hours 
bitter turtle
id rather not kneecap something our of existence
or risk doing it
see: recon
u can call it boring but a lot of ppl liked it because we're literally scraping the bottm of the barrel for "different weapon experience" in some cases
tall torrent
So I guess the variety is in terms of how much plasteel and dockets the player n...
Are u like entirely missing what I’m saying
bitter turtle
literally shooting bright lasers and having 0 recoil was different enough for some ppl to consider recon their favorite
white minnow
the majority of weapons in this weapon are really fucking good
it's not like they're going to simultaneously kneecap every weapon
you still have your other options
bitter turtle
im not talking about what they're going to do ro not do
because this is all a hypothetical nonsense discussion anyway
not like fs is reading this
winged warren
You said DC don't need that much plasteel and docket to be gud? Or point investment means the skill tree
rigid pilot
not like fs is reading this
What if I'm fs
tall torrent
You said DC don't need that much plasteel and docket to be gud? Or point investm...
Point investment refers to talent points
white minnow
i do since i consider 4 targets way too much, and 2 targets appropriate
trim steppe
My main problem with the "lack of variety" is that it takes so much goddamn effort to customize weapons the way you want and try out blessing combinations, it takes a fucking college degree to learn the wacky shit for every weapon
tall torrent
i do since i consider 4 targets way too much, and 2 targets appropriate
2 is way too low
rigid pilot
bitter turtle
yes and some people think deleting voc will fix vet balance
winged warren
Point investment refers to talent points
Oh.
Does a god roll rashad even need point investments?
terse idol
i do since i consider 4 targets way too much, and 2 targets appropriate
Zealot cleave...
bitter turtle
im not saying you're right or wrong that 2 is the correct number
terse idol
Is kiinnda big as a comparison
bitter turtle
but just do incermental nerfs so a weapon isnt unplayable if ur wrong
white minnow
i consider 2 fine for a weapon that can make use of BM on bruisers and occasionally elites mixed into a horde
and for a weapon with good anti-unyield and anti-cara
bitter turtle
and if ur right, wow, we live with an above average rashad for 2 more months
tall torrent
If BM was 2 cleave, you’re essentially looking at chainaxe horde clear without chainaxe’s anti-elite power
trim steppe
Like if I pick up a new weapon and it sucks ass, am I just bad at it? Is there a single blessing that makes it shine? Is it a stat, perk, talent, and blessing combo that makes it work?
terse idol
i do since i consider 4 targets way too much, and 2 targets appropriate
Also if y'all talking Rashad, it's already a sloww weapon
terse idol
Like if I pick up a new weapon and it sucks ass, am I just bad at it? Is there a...
Yeah Rashad
rigid pilot
Chainaxe seems to horde clear relatively well
bitter turtle
esp in a game with shitty crafting/progression system like this
rigid pilot
The new one at least
bitter turtle
u really dont want to risk literally bricking a weapon
tall torrent
Oh.
Does a god roll rashad even need point investments?
If you roll 4/4 perfect, not as much
trim steppe
Like if I could walk over the hadron and try out whatever combo of shit I want on a weapon and then test it out, i'd probably use a lot more weapons.
terse idol
Like if I could walk over the hadron and try out whatever combo of shit I want o...
mods are here for thaat
trim steppe
As it stands I master like 2-3 options per slot per class and call it a day
rigid pilot
Like if I could walk over the hadron and try out whatever combo of shit I want o...
You technically, can with mods
white minnow
i consider the crafting system as something that feels really bad but the consequences of it are less than how it feels
radiant chasm
they should just remove BM and give enough base cleave on caxes to keep them viable
white minnow
it sucks for weapons whose breakpoints are tight
bitter turtle
they should just remove BM and give enough base cleave on caxes to keep them via...
agree
that's what i mentioned with pcycler
terse idol
they should just remove BM and give enough base cleave on caxes to keep them via...
well it's partially also the weakpoint damage
bitter turtle
bm is the same imo
white minnow
but it's fine to have <t4 blessings and imperfect stats
winged warren
If you roll 4/4 perfect, not as much
Ya, my point is people are going to go for a god roll anyway
bitter turtle
just fucking delete them and buff the weapons appropriately
terse idol
Second it's BM AND unarmoured AND a breakpoint
white minnow
and esp after they reduced the variance between blessing tiers
radiant chasm
or make BM into like, a generic stat boost, weakspot damage+increased cleave on weakspot kill
trim steppe
but it's fine to have <t4 blessings and imperfect stats
on some weapons
bitter turtle
blessings shouldnt be literally required for a wepaon to function
bitter turtle
but it's fine to have <t4 blessings and imperfect stats
depends on the blessing
terse idol
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
bitter turtle
bloodletter IV is a pretty big difference from III
and iv ebeen rolling
for 2.5 week now
lmao
tall torrent
Ya, my point is people are going to go for a god roll anyway
Even if you put all your time, energy & resources into making a godroll Rashad, it’s still not very likely that you’ll get 4/4 perfect (unarmored, flak, BM, headtaker)
terse idol
blessings shouldnt be literally required for a wepaon to function
I mean, until blessings like literally change how some weapons function rather than work, I might agree
But as it stands, blessings that "change your gameplay"
Just don't compare
To the straight damage options
terse idol
Ghost on lasguns...
terse idol
Issue being BIS blessings are full pain
bitter turtle
like pcycler
radiant chasm
classic fatshark balancing ending up making caxes and heavy swords better
radiant chasm
by reworking BM to "fix" them
rigid pilot
Ghost lasgun is totally fine
terse idol
the cleave is alot worse
terse idol
Ghost lasgun is totally fine
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
radiant chasm
the BM rework was an objective buff to caxes
terse idol
Giving up DA, and Headhunter
radiant chasm
killing 4 elites per swing is ridic
terse idol
Not thriiilled
radiant chasm
way more valuable than old BM
rigid pilot
You can live without DA cmonnn
radiant chasm
it just isn't as braindead
tall torrent
killing 4 elites per swing is ridic
Which elite, shotgunners?
terse idol
the BM rework was an objective buff to caxes
I thought the BM rework amde it so it didn't infinite cleave
rigid pilot
But ghost lasts way too short for it to really matter
radiant chasm
I thought the BM rework amde it so it didn't infinite cleave
killing 4 elites per swing> infinite cleave (but damage would still fall off)
rigid pilot
So DA it is
junior needle
killing 4 elites per swing> infinite cleave (but damage would still fall off)
Maybe not 4 elites on a caxe
white minnow
being able to do 4x first target damage compared to infinite cleave to an indeterminate amount of enemies ends up being better damage
junior needle
4 bruisers
tall torrent
Combat axe is not 1 shotting 4 elites per swing lol
radiant chasm
Which elite, shotgunners?
shotgunners, idk if vet can go up to killing 4 ragers/gunners
radiant chasm
Combat axe is not 1 shotting 4 elites per swing lol
it does lmao
winged warren
Even if you put all your time, energy & resources into making a godroll Rashad, ...
Hmm then can I ask, if a good rashad compared to dclaw, with same point investment, can dclaw do what rashad can do?
I assume rashad doesn't have as much clear, but dclaw clinks cara, not so sure about flak
Like is the better horde clear when the horde clear is already good enough, be worth the wlite and special killing power?
tall torrent
it does lmao
Only shotgunners and that takes a lot of build to do
junior needle
One shots some weenie elites
rigid pilot
Hmm then can I ask, if a good rashad compared to dclaw, with same point investme...
Rashad doesn't have parry
trim steppe
Hmm then can I ask, if a good rashad compared to dclaw, with same point investme...
dclaw kills crushers you just parry
rigid pilot
You must hit the head tho
radiant chasm
just get headtaker stacked, line up a headshot,
radiant chasm
You must hit the head tho
YES you should always be doing that
winged warren
Can you parry the OH?
potent iris
rashad is what you go for if you want lowest common denominator ez gameplay
tall torrent
Hmm then can I ask, if a good rashad compared to dclaw, with same point investme...
Real question, how much have you played veteran so far
rigid pilot
Can you parry the OH?
Yeap
winged warren
Real question, how much have you played veteran so far
Not alot, that's why I'm saying such stupid stiffs
trim steppe
Can you parry the OH?
ya
radiant chasm
i currently use rashad on my vet and usually get 2-3 elite kills and mostly not getting 4 jsut cause I usually just gun them down at that point
tall torrent
Ok go play DC instead
radiant chasm
also, being short hurts
i think you have a lsgith advantage to getting weakspots if you are taller
paper brook
If I'm running a Power sword with the Revolver, would point blank be a better blessing to have than surgical?
rigid pilot
i think you have a lsgith advantage to getting weakspots if you are taller
Yes you do
tall torrent
If I'm running a Power sword with the Revolver, would point blank be a better bl...
Point blank is horrible
rigid pilot
Tall kings gang
winged warren
Ok go play DC instead
But but can you answer the question? Pls pls pls pls.
Think of it like I'm asking why would people run dclaw over rashad, assuming he is willing to build a good weapon
tall torrent
But but can you answer the question? Pls pls pls pls.
Think of it like I'm askin...
Because when you’re getting turbo-fucked by chaos spawn + ragers, a Rashad isn’t going to save you from going down
You can fight 20 ragers with a DC sword
trim steppe
But but can you answer the question? Pls pls pls pls.
Think of it like I'm askin...
Rashad is better, if you roll a perf one. Dclaw is solid with even a mid roll. Dclaw has much stronger defence and lets you parry your way out of crazy shit even if its ttk is slower
tall torrent
You’re usually not winning 1v20 ragers with a Rashad
Unless u dump all your resources
Grenades
Magdump
rigid pilot
Shout
winged warren
Because when you’re getting turbo-fucked by chaos spawn + ragers, a Rashad isn’t...
But you have gun :(
rigid pilot
||infiltrate||
winged warren
Nsybe I should try using dclaw tho
bitter turtle
i currently use rashad on my vet and usually get 2-3 elite kills and mostly not ...
smh ppl making me get off bg3 to fact check
u cant
well
maybe if you also take 10% melee
this is also a perfect 80/80/80 axe
took desperado, elite dmg, precision
max headtaker
rigid pilot
Unarmored perk
tall torrent
But you have gun :(
Which gun are u planning to bring to 1v20 ragers at close range exactly
rigid pilot
Peegun
bitter turtle
Unarmored perk <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
i AM
running unarmored
kek
that was a given
trim steppe
But you have gun :(
I'm not sure exactly what you're asking here. If you want to run rashad and shoot a lot of shit with a gun then go for it. Dclaw has its own use case and people who like it too, you dont have to want to use it
bitter turtle
u have to on vet
winged warren
No no but you shoot them before they come close. And and, is 20 exaggerating or you fought 20 ragers in current patch ( genuinely asking, maybe I'm really lucky)
rigid pilot
I'm no axe main
winged warren
Ok but if I can interject myself. Dclaw does sound very cool now
Thanks for sharing
bitter turtle
why do ppl literally make shit up 😔
tall torrent
No no but you shoot them before they come close. And and, is 20 exaggerating or ...
I’m not exaggerating with 20 ragers in Warren 6-19
trim steppe
No no but you shoot them before they come close. And and, is 20 exaggerating or ...
20 is about the most i've seen at once, packs are regularly over 10-12. You dont always see ragers before they get on you
tall torrent
You have options to fight ragers as veteran but that usually means you need to dump your resources, whether that be grenades, ammo or ability
trim steppe
what difficulty do you play on? not being shitty or anything I'm just curious
rigid pilot
But like that's what resources are for 🤔
tall torrent
You can have a lot of it over a mission but to dump everything all at once is always going to impact your decisions for the next fight
winged warren
20 is about the most i've seen at once, packs are regularly over 10-12. You dont...
Yeah most of time the "bad situation" I see is 12 rager, maybe I did see 20 rager but didn't notice
tall torrent
And Rashad is not very good at fighting multiple (3+) ragers
winged warren
what difficulty do you play on? not being shitty or anything I'm just curious
On other classes a5mael and a5histg. Vet I'm still grinding out so it's laughable difficulty.
tall torrent
You have a reliable push atk that staggers like 3 Dreg ragers at most
Scab I think only 1 because high mass
winged warren
Dat is true. I tried duelling 3 ragers with rashad in psk and was very hard. :(
tall torrent
DC doesn’t care about that
Lock yourself in a room with rager groups
You’re winning
wanton dawn
Eh
winged warren
I'm not sure exactly what you're asking here. If you want to run rashad and shoo...
Imo weapons should be different that the player should have to carefully consider which one to go with in their build. But that's what I want rather than what I think is good. I don't think any take on this is wrong or right.
wanton dawn
I just use ps6
rigid pilot
Peesword 
tall torrent
On other classes a5mael and a5histg. Vet I'm still grinding out so it's laughabl...
What’s ur most played class so I can have a point of reference
rigid pilot
Imo weapons should be different that the player should have to carefully conside...
The choice is kind of simple, there's no real "anti horde" gun so your melee should always have some sort of anti horde
winged warren
Psyker is +60, zealot is +50, oggir is +10
bitter turtle
The choice is kind of simple, there's no real "anti horde" gun so your melee sho...
brautos
i always brauto/iag with knife
trim steppe
Imo weapons should be different that the player should have to carefully conside...
I think that is the case currently in the game. Vet has a number of melee options with different use cases / playstyles. There are some objectively terrible ones but most are decent and a few are overtuned
bitter turtle
gets boring though
rigid pilot
Perhaps
bitter turtle
you can do gud spraying hordes with those though
trim steppe
gets boring though
never, mowing down fools with the agri brauto never gets old
rigid pilot
But you don't get ammo back from killing trash
bitter turtle
yes I too love taping down my left mouse trigger
winged warren
I played only like 1-2 builds per class, maybe more on zealot if you consider all the different combinations.
That's why you keep seeing me ask about how different weapons compare
rigid pilot
Survivalists
bitter turtle
and walking forward
rigid pilot
I played only like 1-2 builds per class, maybe more on zealot if you consider al...
Try them first then come back with ideas
tall torrent
Imo weapons should be different that the player should have to carefully conside...
Yes and that currently is the case for veteran melee
bitter turtle
this might be a hot take
but i think rashad is just alright if you dont go right tree
it swings
real fucking slow
if you dont have aspd boosts to tape that up
tall torrent
@winged warren you know what, dm me
winged warren
Okeh bos
rigid pilot
but i think rashad is just alright if you dont go right tree
You mean go right tree or don't go right tree
bitter turtle
You mean go right tree or don't go right tree
go right tree
well first you probably want 5% melee and desperado minimum to hit the correct bp for vet
but i always feel like
it swing way too slow
rigid pilot
Weapon spec helps alot too
bitter turtle
if i dont go all the way to weapon spec
rigid pilot
10%
bitter turtle
yes i know
im saying i think its just "ok" without weapon spec
above average but not tippest toppest tier to me
rigid pilot
On my chainaxe build it's actually respectable horde clear lol
bitter turtle
but that might be a hot take
at the very least
i can say i dont enjoy it very much
at base aspd
bitter turtle
😔 i go to darktide jail for my hair usy
winged warren
mr catto now in my top 5
tall torrent
i can say i dont enjoy it very much
I draw the line at chainaxe4 so I’m quite ok with Rashad base atk speed
trim steppe
I've been playing for 850 hours and I'm still missing 3 blessings
Maybe one day the emp will take pity on me
umbral granite
When the base stats on the mission reward are questionable, but you got a tier 4 blessing you didn't have previously.
bitter turtle
idk if you saw my earlier reply to you
vet cant oneshot with a perfect max headtaker stacked rashad
even a dreg shotgunner
actually
i just eralized
i took every single boost on tree
except fire team kek
either way not really realistic
umbral granite
Is supercharge even a good blessing on power swords?
bitter turtle
no
wanton dawn
Rip
umbral granite
so the sword above is basically just another sticker in the book then?
wanton dawn
Yes
umbral granite
well at least now the only 2 tier 4 power sword blessings I'm missing are bromentum and the one that gives insane cleave on charged hits (i think it's called sunder, but i don't know for sure).
umbral granite
Yes
trim steppe
When the base stats on the mission reward are questionable, but you got a tier 4...
chef kiss I love it when the emp gives me a T4 for the book
But yeah unforunately that blessing isn't very good atm lol. Power cycler, bromentum, and sunder are the top dogs rn
umbral granite
<:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
I had a sword that had pcycler 4 and sunder a while back, but it's stats were garbage (no stats above 65 except mobility, which was only 68), and i was forced to either rip pcycler or sunder.
wanton dawn
Should have kept the sword
umbral granite
Should have kept the sword
I probably should have...
wanton dawn
Oh well, whats done is done
wanton dawn
Spilled milk under the bridge
umbral granite
My friend got mad at me because I out-damaged him with this thing... while he was using a godroll plasma.
wanton dawn
Well, your friend is not real good
bitter turtle
then when he makes it go "jk"
umbral granite
You mean agri shotgun isnt meta?
umbral granite
A bigger revolver that can break bulwark shields.
bitter turtle
damn
can break bulwark shield
AND is just a bigger revolver
its basically plasma + revolver
omega god tier
umbral granite
The sound of the slug breaking a bulwark shield is also very satisfying...
bitter turtle
smh impotent plasma users
bitter turtle
if you mean racking up damage score probably
you want a gun that can shoot into hordes
wanton dawn
if you mean racking up damage score probably
Yes
trim steppe
Agri brauto
I think you're correct
wanton dawn
Highest single target would be ciag
umbral granite
I just toss a grenade into hordes and start swinging my chainsword...
assuming it's just a standard horder without specials/elites mixed in
wanton dawn
Highest in no ammo is plasma though
umbral granite
I've went through auric damnation levels with the agri-shotgun and only ever needed to pickup a singular small ammo tin...
granted, i was constantly loading slugs and aiming for heads...
wanton dawn
If you dont shoot horde and bring surv any vet gun can go full map without pickup
umbral granite
true
bitter turtle
im gonna make a 7 sometime
and try
like that guy we played w
he picked up no ammo
wanton dawn
I might try someday too
bitter turtle
that was actuallay the part that surprised me
wanton dawn
Granted, you can pad your scoreboard by playing aggressive
bitter turtle
yeah
but you
were also playing aggressive
running past all the goddamn plasteel
umbral granite
Behold: The Cadian flashlight!
bitter turtle
:(
wanton dawn
were also playing aggressive
You wanted a recon to be top dog ?
bitter turtle
i still outscored him