veteran-class

[frank basin]

I thinks I would need advisor for game developement. Designer sound like manager role

I really want be designer instead

Writing game documents

That stuff important I learned

[winter grove]

Oh wait I forgot about you

Keep up the good work

[timid otter]

If im honest i think some of the sections should just be ripped up, replaced

Talent breakdown could be better done, as already shown by path.exe

Weapon breakdowns need massive overhauls in explaining blessings, perks.

[bitter turtle]

btw

i finally found a use for serrated blade

on something that isnt knife

to pretend i have bloodletter IV instead of III

[timid otter]

200 extra damage

[bitter turtle]

reduces the number of bleed ticks to ligiht rev a mutie by 3

especially relevant since im stuck with 10% elite on the current csword

im using

i know u say just heavy but its still a lot more commitment when the whole point is i want to rev and forget lul

i took the current one out for the my last game and needing to heavy mutie train instead of just light felt p bad ngl

so serrated blade it is

[umbral scaffold]

The Spykarium girl really doesn't like the Loose Cannon lol

[tame lodge]

Sefoni

[umbral scaffold]

Yeah, her

[winter grove]

Loose Cannon is a simple man/woman

If military manual says Empreror is god, then he is a god

Simple as

[junior needle]

When yet another knife post pops up on the subreddit and you see people recommending lacerate

[winter grove]

I used lacerate when I was new

Funny how I didn't realise how bad it was

[umbral scaffold]

Must be one of those knife zealots that don't revive either.

[winter grove]

Zealot mains are fine as long as they're not knife zealots

[white minnow]

shame that i don't like the pathing for loner

[magic trout]

Also some eviscerator users that go solo and rage quit when they fall incapacitated 😒

[bitter turtle]

Wdym

Using the bodyshot talent on a weakspot weapon is peak builds

Who wants crit or rending on a knife anyway

[magic trout]

Most meta builds are 1 hit kill, lacerate is DoT

[bitter turtle]

Spam light bodyshots all day

[bitter turtle]

Why kill something in one second when u can watch it bleed to death in 12 smh

[magic trout]

In Auric missions you need to kill at sight

[junior needle]

No one does

[winter grove]

Every class have those asshats

[junior needle]

The issue isn't that it has a dot

It's that you have to gimp your damage by like 1/3 to use that dot

[winter grove]

But only zealot gives them a way to survive

Fuck whoever thought Loner was a good idea

[magic trout]

Yes, but maybe my last mission were like that, a eviscerator user going solo while the others stick together, but thats has been my experience last months with zealots with knife

[winter grove]

Yeah those are Loner users

[bitter turtle]

Uh excuse me I am a sedition only speedrunner

[winter grove]

Nobody likes those

[bitter turtle]

With my lacerate flesh tearer knife

[winter grove]

Why use lacerate and see something bleed to death

[bitter turtle]

0 finesse on knife because bodyshots only

[winter grove]

If you can just shoot someone

[thin flame]

hey so im looking at the helbore guns, which one's the most popular?

[bitter turtle]

Imo, mk1 is the easiest and best to build for something flexible

[winter grove]

Veteran can be very good at melee but I am playing veteran for pew pew and not shank shank

[bitter turtle]

Mk3 has a really bad bayonet

Mk2 is harder to build for certain breakpoints

[thin flame]

yeah im seeing footage and the bayonet looks whack

[bitter turtle]

Mk1 is a happy medium that keeps the good bayonet

[bitter turtle]

Sadly

[magic trout]

For me is mk3, nice damage

[bitter turtle]

It was nerfed

Twice

[thin flame]

ahhh

RIP

[bitter turtle]

It's no longer good for hordes bc no cleave

But for like ragers

[thin flame]

is it still good at single target?

[winter grove]

Doesn't mean bayonets are useless

[bitter turtle]

Still should be great

[winter grove]

Well except mk3

It's useless

[bitter turtle]

Veri high stagger

And good damage

Can still do single target well except crushers

So bring a melee weapon that can do hordes or crushers to pair

[winter grove]

I run helbore mk2 and rashad

[magic trout]

I was able to 1 hit kill crushers in danmation

[bitter turtle]

I'm talking about the bayonet

[magic trout]

Srry

[junior needle]

Well if you want to get technical, it was bugfixed

[winter grove]

Honestly I wanted to try bolter but I don't have a good build for it

[tame lodge]

Point and shoot

[tough tiger]

Pinning fire and cavalcade for full auto or pinning + surgical for headshotting

Full auto is self explanatory

For headshotting, just ads shoot, let go of m2 for a little bit and then m2 again to somewhat bypass the recoil animation

Focus target keystone, precision strikes talent and crit lets u output some pretty nasty numbers

Executioner stance helps massively too but i prefer the shout to make space

[junior needle]

Yeah with that handling on the bolter you need the space

They should unjank the weapon

[tame lodge]

But muh lore accuracy

Fr though

[tiny summit]

Or add jank to more weapons

[hybrid torrent]

My battlefield jimmies want faster spread recovery for muh brace auto guns.

Shotguns gaining ADS damage makes me feel like I'm playing the BF1 model 10 hunter on argonne forest.

[hollow ibex]

the spread recovery on braced really feels... bad

[last pewter]

think I'm gonna start running this build on my new Vet (missing the ones I put a line over), been really digging the Mk 6 knife on Vet actually. in fact, being light and fast has me thinking of finally putting my love for the Mk 3 Helbores to the side and trying out the other two once again, cus I remember not liking them that much before

[hybrid torrent]

It's tolerable on zealot with dance of Death. But holy hell do braced autos get stupid inacurrate on vet without using executioner stance.

[last pewter]

I actually haven't even used automatic weapons on Veteran with the stance since the talent tree lmao

[serene sage]

I'm sensing new patch coming up soon

in a few weeks

then ill come back and play more Darktide

[last pewter]

ye I feel like that's the general sentiment rn

[frank basin]

Foxhope return

Hi

[serene sage]

hi!

I've been lurking

[last pewter]

the game's not dead per say, everyone's just kind of waiting for the next big patch

also I should specify my build I lean heavily into being a sniper with my build

[frank basin]

You were away very long for almost months

[last pewter]

not a build I'd recommend for everyone lol

[serene sage]

I kinda accepted that the game is just gonna be this popular, no more, no less

[frank basin]

And people would yapping about helldiver 2

[serene sage]

well there is a certain other game yknow

[serene sage]

well yeah. it's the boeing in the room lol

but you can play both, they offer different things
i thoroughly enjoy darktide combat more though

[frank basin]

I haven’t play any games since I sleep daily or lay on bed

And discord chat

[elder fiber]

As long as they fix the really dire bugs and I can get auric maelstrom matches at sicko hours I'll be content with dorktide

[frank basin]

Shittide?

[elder fiber]

Helldivers 2 didn't do much for me idk

[frank basin]

I sit and wait for starship troopers major updates

[serene sage]

well im not here to talk about HD2 anyway 😄

since the patch my connection hasn't been great though

anyone having the same problem?

[frank basin]

Bad connection you say?

[elder fiber]

I've had just a few hiccups but I know its been worse for others

[frank basin]

2014 error code?

[serene sage]

no, it's just lag spikes and stutter

which happens before but especially recently, not outright disconnection though

[frank basin]

very rarely I get disconnection

I didn’t have stutter but when I see desync like player or enemy walk sliding cross floor I knew I’m going get disconnection

[frank basin]

Is your computer run good on games?

I used to have lag fps first time until guy told me turn up worker threads

Map loading assets is one issue cause lag spike (as I believe)

[serene sage]

I mean I have been playing this game for a while haha

it's either my Internet or the server I think

[frank basin]

Living east coat hurricane seasonal country

[junior needle]

Just remember that if your goal is to light spam, the mk6 is objectively inferior than the 3 for that.

Both have the same cleave values on lights

But 3 has an attack that just does more damage

[last pewter]

Ive been mostly heavying with it

they feel better than the lights by a mile

[junior needle]

That's how you want to use the 6, the individual strikes will feel better because the horizontal heavies have like double the cleave and can go through 2 scab bruisers. But apparently its only a slight increase for overall hordeclear.

Still feels off that the lights on it don't have any better cleave than the 3 though

[woeful ibex]

uhm

I guess another shitpost gun

[winter grove]

Fellas

What perks and blessings should I put on Kantrael mark4

[junior needle]

Deadly/headhunter is the classic combo, but your one tap potential is still the worst out of all the infantry lasguns

There's not really much else going in terms of blessings. You could do ghost for deadshot/dnd shenanigans though.

Can't really commend infernus.

[winter grove]

Yeah I've got this silly build for kantrael lasgun

Which basically just spam and win with mk4 and be good at headshotting with mk1

Essentially turning darktide into call of duty

[proud marsh]

yeah now make one for the accatran

[winter grove]

Nuh uh

Kantrael Mk4 is lowest I'll go

Accatran is just bleh

[proud marsh]

They do bullpups so dirty

[winter grove]

Just like irl

Bullpup lasgun sucks

[junior needle]

Surely they will finally unfuck recons next patch, haha

[late hatch]

We can only hope

I miss the rapid fire lasgun pew pews

[blissful flame]

does deathspitter actually stack? It looks like it does according to my hud. Have i been going so long thinking it didnt' stack?

[trim hemlock]

The description indeed reads as if it didn’t stack, but it always did

[blissful flame]

dang, so my blessings might actually be okay, maybe it's not bricked!

looks like this could make for a decent anti-shooter build weapon

[late hatch]

fatshark very good at writing descriptions

[bitter turtle]

Deathspitter stacks just like fire frenzy

The difference is deathspitter is a power boost (all ranges) while ff is a close range damage boost (decay over distance)

[blissful flame]

so deathspitter would actually be preferred? i've forgotten the actual percentages offhand

[junior needle]

DS gives power which is preferred over damage in equal measure

For fixing that gun, switch out both perks. That's how you'll get the most consistent value.

Flak/maniac.

[bitter turtle]

fire frenzy is slightly higher

but

unless you're exclusively shooting at close range

a generic all-range damage boost is going to do better

imo at least

honestly both are fine

and yeah you should just swap out perks

all brauto blessings are pretty mediocre

deathspitter is probably the best of them

hit and run is fine enough

[junior needle]

Yes, ff has slightly higher damage values. But it apparently works like anoint in blood now so that tapers off quite quickly.

[winter grove]

How bad is this lil fella?

Ran through auric damnation without picking up ammo packs so ammo stat shouldn't be bad

[bitter turtle]

im gonna guess

that is a lastgun IV

and the blessings are

headhunter deadly accurate

the perks are

uh

[winter grove]

Oh yeah it's

[bitter turtle]

pox/groaner and specialist damage

!!!

am i right

[winter grove]

yes

[bitter turtle]

wai tno

poxwalker/groaner

and ELITE

right

no

idk

[winter grove]

no that's

pox/groaner and crit dmg from long range

[bitter turtle]

ok swap thos eout

cause those are big trash

blessings are already good

[winter grove]

Not deadly accurate

[bitter turtle]

gun stats are good

oh

is it falter

[winter grove]

Falter yeah

[bitter turtle]

damn

[winter grove]

One with stagger

[bitter turtle]

that's not very good

you can probably

[winter grove]

Yup

I've got tier 2 deadly accurate

[bitter turtle]

falter -> DA
groaner -> something better

[winter grove]

sitting there

[bitter turtle]

and cope with crit damage

[winter grove]

Should I take flak or maniac instead of pox

[bitter turtle]

test the gun

i am not familiar with IV bps

i just know ofhand that it already has very good maniac damage but very bad flak

[winter grove]

I'll take flak then

[blissful flame]

late but thanks for the deathspitter advice, and my plan was definitely to swap out both perks for flack and maniac, thank you!

[winter grove]

I wish penances for gas mask vet helmet wasn't so grindy

Fucking

"Finish 50 missions again dipshit"

[late hatch]

50 missions lol. wait until you get to the real mission grind

[winter grove]

No I said 50 more

I already finished 50 missions

Basically I just have to play only veteran for the penance

[winter grove]

At least I don't have to explicitly do those for the helmet

[lost portal]

Fun fact: One of the veterans has a killing method referred to as the ”groin-gouger”

This is cannon and an actual voiceline in game.

[winter grove]

In his defence, groin does have major arteries

[late hatch]

then you also get these

afaik they all go to rank 5

[winter grove]

Also

Mk3 or Mk7 shovel?

[late hatch]

I have a lot of hours in this game and not even close to done. granted I dont grind 100% of the time im in game, waiting for friends, testing in psykanium, rolling weapons, etc. but these penances are like 2k hours kinda grind

[winter grove]

At least I've fully done the For the Emperor related penances

Most of them accidebtal

Except for like

Certain ones

[late hatch]

I like this one

with activation it does pretty well vs crushers and chargers. lights are decent. heavies are nice hori swipes for cc

ive been meaning to test it out with cara perk

[bitter turtle]

Mk3 has faster special

Mk7 has true horizontal sweeps on heavy

That is basically the main difference

[winter grove]

How soon should I look for a replacement?

Deadly Accurate 2 and ranged crit dmg really bother me

[lyric dock]

YOu can always upgrade deadly accurate if get a better one from Melk or crafting random las guns

[winter grove]

Oh true that

Otherwise, is the lasgun usable?

[bitter turtle]

It's usable

[winter grove]

I also do wanna know the dump stat

[bitter turtle]

But I'm not really a fan of lasguns period

[winter grove]

In case I wanna make a better one

[bitter turtle]

Mobility and ammo probably

I cannot imagine

Running out of ammo

On a lasgun

[winter grove]

Did some buying in bulk, is this one kinda better?

Prob should made screenshot like this

[bitter turtle]

Statwise?

It's fine

About the same really

So just roll the hadron slots and pray

[winter grove]

Ok glad to know

I've got a Mark Ia also but I assure you it's good

Deadly accurate 3 and headhunter 1 (I'll upgrade it later dw)

With flak and unarmored

Last one wasn't my choice

[bitter turtle]

unarmored is fine

the maniac damage is already stupid high

not like its unplayable without a maniac roll

[winter grove]

Yeah I figured

Checking infantry lasguns perks on the vet survivalist guid

I realised that I've got a pretty damn good roll

[bitter turtle]

checking it

they forgot to put maniac in the guide

lul

anyway

yeah

anything remotely decent is fine honestly

jus tdont run carapace (it does fuckall to crushers) or groaner damage or something meme like that

[winter grove]

I also should probably get rid of my helbore build

[bitter turtle]

weakspot damage/crit dmg is also always very bad

so just ignore those too on anything

dont think there is a single weapon it is decent on

[winter grove]

Tried it more and it's not my cup of tea for sure

Maybe I should try it with mark 1 helbore

[bitter turtle]

mark1 is the easiest to use and build

[winter grove]

Since I can already do auric with both my infantry lasguns

[bitter turtle]

were you trying mk3

[winter grove]

Mk2

[bitter turtle]

ah

[echo parcel]

mk3 helbore my beloved

[bitter turtle]

if you dont like using the bayonet

i would just pick another gun

helbore is

underwhelming

if you dont factor in the bayonet

imo

[winter grove]

Bayonet isn't the problem I think

I think at least

[bitter turtle]

no i mean

if you dont actively leverage the bayonet

other sniper-esque guns just do better

[winter grove]

But you won't convince me use mk3

[echo parcel]

Playing helbore feels like playing bolt staff sienna, since you have infinite ammo

[bitter turtle]

might want to try the laspistols

as well

tbh

[winter grove]

I've got a purple laspistol

[bitter turtle]

they're similar to lasguns but i find them much more flexible

[winter grove]

I just need to make it gold and slap on the infernus for it

[bitter turtle]

nah

[echo parcel]

Infernus isn't necessary

[bitter turtle]

dumdum/ghost is best for laspistol

[echo parcel]

it just helps with boss damage sometimes

[winter grove]

I've got dumdum

[bitter turtle]

infernus adds a negligible amount of boss dmg

and not much else

[winter grove]

I see

[bitter turtle]

ghost makes you immune to shooters

[winter grove]

I don't think I've got a good ghost ngl

But thanks for the heads-up

[lyric dock]

Infernus is meh, but it is nice when it picks off weaken elites or specials that barely got away

[winter grove]

Should I get unarmored or maniac as second perk for laspistol?

[echo parcel]

Reassuringly Accurate can be funny for born leader memes

[bitter turtle]

maniac ideally

unarmored is ok though

[lyric dock]

Maniac

[bitter turtle]

mine is unarmored

[lyric dock]

Helps you deal with Ragers

[bitter turtle]

andim too cheapt o make another

but ideally iw ould have taken

[echo parcel]

Maniac and crit is what Im running on pistol

[bitter turtle]

flak/maniac as usual

[winter grove]

Ok

I've got flak already so I am really set on the laspistol too

[bitter turtle]

its a fun weapon

you're mobile enough to avoid melee and ghost make syou immune to ranged damage

[winter grove]

I do wanna try using the bolter

It has potential but feels awful to use

I was rarely switching off it due to shittiest pull out speed ever

[lyric dock]

If you can hit the head

It'll put in the work

[winter grove]

Oh yeah for sure

[bitter turtle]

there's tech

[echo parcel]

Bolter feels better as a zealot but you can make it work with surgi

[bitter turtle]

to pull out bolter very fast

[winter grove]

I know

Oh

Pull out

I thought recoil mitigation

[bitter turtle]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/18ymggy/everyone_can_quickdraw_the_bolter/

roddit actually useful!?

tl;dw: just have at least 1 bullet empty in the mag

then when you swap

reload to cancel the swap animation -> sprint to cancel the reload animation

[winter grove]

Oh yeah I did that

With helbore

My only concern so far is I need better melees

[echo parcel]

You have a lot of options as vet

[bitter turtle]

folding shovel is exceptionally easy to build and decent enough tat (almost) anything

if you want a quick weapon to make

[echo parcel]

Knife is great if you can use it as well

[bitter turtle]

yes

but its pretty annoying to build

so i wouldn tsuggest it to someone with no melees to work with

if that makes sense

[echo parcel]

Pretty reliant on blessings yeah

[bitter turtle]

4 important stats to roll, mobility still wants to be above 50, 1 blessing is absolutely mandatory (uncanny)

[winter grove]

So far melee's I run with my builds
Laspistol mk10 + Powersword mk6
Kantrael + Shovel mk3
Helbore mk2 + Rashad
Bolter + Standard shovel

[wanton dawn]

Still easier than rashad then

[bitter turtle]

ya

it is

because the perks are more flexible

but its similar

rashad has the same stat rolls

[wanton dawn]

Ill stick to the ps6

[winter grove]

I pull out rashad for literally only one reason

[bitter turtle]

also rashad only has bm/headtaker with deci kinda being shitty but at least knife has riposte/precog/mercy

[winter grove]

Crushers

[tame lodge]

Standard shovel has stagger as special, really good against armor

[bitter turtle]

standard shovel is nice too

lower lethality but nothing uncanny stacks cant fix

[tame lodge]

Good Take a Swing synergy

[junior needle]

It should be noted, the special is good at staggering armored targets. But the weapon does absolute dog damage to armor unless you take uncanny.

[bitter turtle]

ya

but

why wouldnt you take the best blessing in the game

[tame lodge]

"why would you take a shovel?"

[late hatch]

does deadshot activate on plasma charge shot?

[late hatch]

shovel best melee sound in the game

BONK

[bitter turtle]

no

[junior needle]

Some people just don’t know

That’s why you see flesh tearer lacerate

[late hatch]

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD, oh wait, we're the other team...

[tame lodge]

Yes

[gusty bison]

More reddit gold

[agile forge]

Tbf revolver is much less egregious than Plasma

[tall torrent]

Can anyone check what the MG1a’s firerate is

[agile forge]

Plasma needs a heavy nerf, the other OP stuff needs a more moderate one

[tall torrent]

Just cleave & ammo usage is enough

[agile forge]

I still think Plasma LMB is too strong for what it is

But maybe cleave would fix that

[tall torrent]

Yea, nerf cleave & ammo usage

Drop cleave to 12, ammo usage from 3 to 4 per shot

Buff charged shot ammo usage from 9 to 6

[agile forge]

Make the reload EvEn SlOwEr

Change nothing else

JoB dOnE

[late hatch]

make the vent toughness drain 1.5x maybe

[agile forge]

The toughness drain should not be slowed by any TDR stuff

And should be % based

[tall torrent]

Just cleave & ammo usage changes would be enough

Plasma is easier to balance than revolver

[agile forge]

It would be easy to ruin revolver

And I don't want thay

Zarona feels absolutely great and not oppressive imo

But it is too strong

But not in the "nobody else has anything at all to do" sense

[tall torrent]

My hot take is increase Zarona ads time

[late hatch]

it is pretty snappy

[tall torrent]

Probably nerf Zarona cleave too tbh?

Both Zarona and plasma should cleave less

[late hatch]

when do we get the meltagun?

[agile forge]

Imo just make the Zarona bullet size more reasonable

It's a precision weapon that you don't have to be precise with

[tall torrent]

Anyone can check rn?

[rigid pilot]

its actually instant if your ignore the animation and ads shoot, from what i know from other's video

[tame lodge]

3.64??

[tall torrent]

Thx

[agile forge]

Is that per second?

And that's the medium fire rate one too

Fatshark wants us to destroy our mice

[tall torrent]

That’s a pretty slow firerate actually

[void python]

Don't even try the Mg4 without the autofire mod

[tame lodge]

The slowest is 2.50 or something

[agile forge]

Oh, it isn't a simple shots-per-second then?

[tall torrent]

It’s based on shots per second I believe

Although the numbers could be off a bit due to frame rounding

In any case this game’s semi auto firerates are pretty slow overall

[agile forge]

It's that with some kind of multiplier I guess

[tall torrent]

MG12 at 2.5rps is just 150rpm

[agile forge]

MGXII feels way slower than 2.5/s though

I am a eurotwat so not sure how real guns really feel/work

[delicate estuary]

[tall torrent]

This probably varies based on your fps experience but a lot of pvp fps games have semi-auto guns that shoot at 400~500rpm (6.66~8.33 rps)

[agile forge]

But PvP tends towards burstier engagements tbf rather than half an hour slogs

[delicate estuary]

there isnt any half hour slogs in darktide

time to kill for 90% of the weapons is fairly low

with few exceptions such as recon

if not only recon weapons

[wary sparrow]

/bot

[sleek garden]

why do people need a mod to use this gun

it gets hard to aim shooting as fast as you can if people arent point blank

[agile forge]

Anti-big dude wants rapid shooting

[tiny summit]

Mg4 is fine without auto fire. I was used to it because I guess I got gamer hands immune to carpal tunnel. But I wouldn't uninstall the mod now that I have it. Even played gunker laspistol and was fine with the clicking

[void python]

Because if you're gonna lower your RoF you use the Mg1

[sleek garden]

if thtas how you think just use the blue infantry lasgun

[tiny summit]

I question what your team is doing in some of these scoreboards. Nobody can break past 400k dmg this patch in my games

[gray finch]

game is now bugged and have less opponent then usuall + 1 person join in mid game

[sleek garden]

why does it assign you a score

[gray finch]

i dont understand the question

[sleek garden]

how does it assign you a score

this mod

[gray finch]

you mean weapons or just a scoreboard

how does it show me a weapon stats and all ?

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/22
https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/126
https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/160

[proper delta]

anyone got a link to a bolter build?

some guy on reddit posted some bolter and other 'misunderstood' weapons tips yesterday and everyone in the comments said he was delusional but i'd like to give bolter a whirl

maybe some darktide? i wanna try the bolter

[tall torrent]

Reddit usually has pretty bad takes

[gray finch]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9b780896-cb53-426e-9b43-824ea35343fc/bolter-11

[proper delta]

tyty

ugh and it uses the shovel god bless

love the shovel

[odd sparrow]

i would remove demo team and focus fire for that sweet +20% reload speed on the top right.

[proper delta]

ty both

should i be mag dumping with the bolter or tapping heads?

i got surgical 3 on it

[shy maple]

tap

dump monstrosities

[odd sparrow]

tapping heads is more ammo efficient.

mag dump is the panic button when a bunch of crushers/bulwars/ragers/boss shows up

sincec itll lay down a huge field of supression/stagger in the area

[frank ether]

''buff everything'' grindset

[tall torrent]

I made a bit more progress

[tiny summit]

I would say ghost is also a nice blessing. Being immune to a shotgun party is great.

[tall torrent]

So DA/Ghost in second row?

I’m fine with that

[tiny summit]

Like yea Deadly Accurate is for the max amount of dmg but being immune to ranged fire through just headshots is also great.

[tall torrent]

Alr updated

[serene bough]

i wouldnt recommend DA for Mg4 personally

rather run ghost

[gusty bison]

Why not target down instead of -0.25s stam regen delay for stam regen

[outer wolf]

Would you recommend any accatran on a VoC build? Are they good atm?

[agile forge]

Accatran pistol maybe

The recons are shit

[serene bough]

only recon you could probably make work is the VIId with exec stance, but even thats pretty underwhelming

[outer wolf]

Nah, sounds bad lol

Will maybe try the laspistol

Tried helbore, is not bad, but the charge... Not my thing, I... I hate that shit

Any recommendation for a weapon that is not a zarona and plasma?

[agile forge]

CIAG is the other member of the Holy trinity

[outer wolf]

mk v?

[agile forge]

Columnus Infantry Autogun. Think it's the Mark V yeah

[serene bough]

meta currenty is columnus & plasma

[terse idol]

Every other gun

Ia lasgun is good

[serene bough]

ilas and iag are decent weapons as well

try avoiding shotguns, shredder pistol, and recons

[raw steppe]

Helbore is fun too

[frank ether]

agripina iag is a nice gun to shoot

Works with a variety of different builds

has pretty good reach unlike ciag

[raw steppe]

Ciag reach is pretty solvable imo

With longshot, 10% rending and deadshot the range penalties basically dont exist

[frank ether]

Its not as nice as one tapping gunners across the map

not that its a problem

but agriag is a more stable platform and probably won't get nerfed which I can't say certain for ciag

[raw steppe]

Yar

I think the main issue is crit strings

Fs needs to figure out what they want to do with that mechanic

[frank ether]

you don't neccessarily have to play the crit game on iags

their weakspot damage scaling is also insane

with mf keystone

but that ofc brings problems with mf keystone and well, you have to actually hit headshots

[agile forge]

And with E Stance

(Or with SG and DD on psyker which is basically the same thing but different lol)

Going full max dps on CIAG feels amazing

And you at least have a weakness unlike being plasma main character

With VoC and Focus Target

[frank ether]

I think some of exe-mf path's problems are just veteran talent tree problems

[agile forge]

You can do a pretty nice build with it but you lose some toughness nodes at the top

[frank ether]

so both infil and exe have too many nodes and they are side ults that have to also go middle for must haves like grenade talents, cd reduction, tdr

[agile forge]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9b784326-bf39-43f9-9d9c-1b59aa1b24c4

ignore weapons etc

if you wanna just go max CIAG, I think this is the way to go

[shell mason]

i like the helbore but what I really hate is the fact that the sniper weapon only has iron sights

when the default lasgun gets holos

[agile forge]

Infantry lasgun is more of a long-range weapon than the hellbore tbh

it has better long range damage modifiers

[shell mason]

WUH

[agile forge]

also has worse hipfire

[shell mason]

i've been using the helbore as a sniper weapon to pop elites and specials and just mashing my bayonet when the horde gets close

still, it has no reason for its iron sights to be so bad

[raw steppe]

I think the 6s cdr on special kill should be an executioner stance branch node

Rather than generic vet node

[frank ether]

no deadshot sustain on this

[shell mason]

doesn't even need a proper holo, just ring sights or something

[frank ether]

you'll constantly eat the deadshot penalty

[agile forge]

Yeah, it's not ideal in that sense

But seemed the better sacrifice to make

It works at least some of the time

Take stamina curios

At least 1

[frank ether]

What they could do is remove tac awareness and then add both exec and infil their own cd reduction node ,while also building some of the existing nodes directly back into the ults. Like both of the side ults have 4 nodes some of which should just be baseline features of those ults

[raw steppe]

Yeah there's a lot they can do

Also give people a way to sustain mf

Outside of hs kills

[frank ether]

imo the movement shit should just go away entirely

mf should be %100 timing based

and rebalanced around that

[agile forge]

Slower weapons should generate more stacks on it

CIAG is the best weapon for it atm

Which feels odd

[lyric dock]

It's funny the Marksman tree best weapon is a full auto spray and pray weapon

[tiny summit]

Virgin side skills having 4 nodes
Chad VoC with 1 value node

[agile forge]

You get its spread down to almost nothing with ES though

But nobody runs ES

Except me from what it feels like

[lyric dock]

I use ES mostly on Plasma

[frank ether]

you only run exe to juice certain guns to hit new bps

[tiny summit]

I use Exe mostly

Also came up with this abomination with recon

[frank ether]

yikes fdgkh

[tiny summit]

You ran it. You loved it didn't you

[frank ether]

somehow I was still the top dps in that team by a large margin lmao

ever since the news about auric spawns being broken

I'm getting teammates that do literally nothing productive

[tiny summit]

Gotta do this one

[frank ether]

I mean why fire team though

[tiny summit]

You know..."hey guys I brought recon exe w/o surv...just because "

[frank ether]

thats just malicious

[polar schooner]

CoD gets a proper Kasrkin outfit before DT does, hilarious. I guess everyone at FS is asleep at the wheel, or Vet would've had that + a helgun by now

[tiny summit]

Smokes, Exe, Recon/Knife no Surv

[tiny summit]

I only like the helmet.

[frank ether]

whatever fatshark is cooking better be big lmao

after this long of a wait with no keeping expectations in check

[tiny summit]

Psyker themed outfits for Vet

[frank ether]

I think its the silence that creates the problem for them

[tiny summit]

Posting some concept art of future update content would be cool

[white minnow]

they did post something of a sewer level

[frank ether]

normally any functional live service game would do that

[white minnow]

like a year ago xd

[polar schooner]

Great, cant wait for yet another map with tight, industrial corridors coated in heretic filth. Not seen that before!

[frank ether]

like little teasers here and there not to just let people know you're doing something but also manage expectations

managing expectations is the important part imo

[white minnow]

i suppose fatshark figures they have more to lose with communicating

[polar schooner]

Even the bare minimum expectations arent low enough for FS these days

[white minnow]

and frankly I agree that they should just be quiet

[frank ether]

probably, I'm leaning towards whatever they cooking gonna be disappointing so they are just quiet

or its the opposite but odds of that is low

[white minnow]

whatever comes out is what comes out
seems like they're sorting stuff and if they plan on fixing core stuff, blessing/crafting & weapon balancing would be the next step and i wouldn't be surprised if that takes some time

and having to choose between nerfing weapons or buffing enemy hp pools to the point where we have like 6k hp crushers

[frank ether]

I think its a bit too late for a crafting rework

[raw steppe]

I don't think so

[frank ether]

should have been done before everyone left

whoever remains probably already suffered through it and no longer gives a shit

[raw steppe]

I think improving the existing system while adding new system to grind would be good

[white minnow]

i certainly do still give a shit

[frank ether]

its not like there is any new content to burn resources for

[polar schooner]

No one is gonna come back to the game over them re-doing crafting (again)

[white minnow]

and like, i really do not like the perk/blessing system

that really should be reworked

[raw steppe]

Improve current system and add red weapons and 80-100 stat grind fest

[frank ether]

It should have been done before

not just a rework no

TRASH the entire crafting system

[raw steppe]

And make perks and blessings trivial

[frank ether]

thats what should have happened

[white minnow]

so eliminate the crafting entirely?

[frank ether]

make a different system yes

[white minnow]

i like my progression so i want them to keep crafting

[frank ether]

not this destiny style bs

it doesn't work

[white minnow]

well that's part of what i want them to rework

[frank ether]

there is no interesting combinations to be made

for about %99 of the weapons you use the very well defined blessing/perk combo and almost never diverge from that path

[raw steppe]

Same i like progression

[tiny summit]

If you expect the worst, it only leaves more room to be pleasantly surprised

[raw steppe]

But i think they can allow the progression in other ways

[frank ether]

Who cares about progression

[raw steppe]

Like through the 80-100 grind

[frank ether]

its boring

[raw steppe]

Or red weapons

[frank ether]

like if they wanted to give me progression they could just say ''collect 10k plasteel&dia and you get a new weapon''

but they don't do that either

[white minnow]

yes and that's part of what i want them to change as well...?

i'm speaking very broadly for a reason, and you keep taking it as if i'm talking about something specific

[frank ether]

Its too late to matter now

any change or easing of crafting

[raw steppe]

I don't think so

[frank ether]

no longer relevant for a game rapidly losing players

no one gives a shit

[raw steppe]

I think that it's never too late

[white minnow]

i do

[raw steppe]

Since the game fundamentally is good

[white minnow]

as somebody who will be planning on playing the game for more, i want them to fix some stuff

[white minnow]

yeah, gr8 gameplay and just the stuff around that needs patching up

[frank ether]

its not content, I don't give a shit about anything but content

[raw steppe]

I'm playing less cuz lack of content and lack of progression

But I'll play more if there's shit to do

Or stuff to grind for

[white minnow]

yeah you don't have to give a shit but you also don't have to make generalizing statements and assumptions about how everyone else doesn't care

[frank ether]

''hey guys we fixed crafting'' I literally do not give a shit

[raw steppe]

Cuz i like the game

Good for you then

I do give a shit

So not "everyone" didn't give a shit

[frank ether]

I already went through that suffering and so did most people who still play this PoS

easing the RnG doesn't solve the fact that about %99 of crafting combinations are pointless

its all fillers

its all timesinks

[white minnow]

yeah thus we rework the system in its entirety

[frank ether]

this crafting system is un-sal-va-ge-able

[white minnow]

and not just the one part of the rng

[raw steppe]

Welcome to grindy video games

First time?

[white minnow]

do you know what a rework is

[frank basin]

You could stop playing if you want. If the game feel very grindy

[zealous wyvern]

there is only one shooter for 40k on this level

so

no you cant just stop playing

[frank ether]

thats not a rework thats called trashing it

[frank basin]

Space marine

[zealous wyvern]

worst point in history

space marine isnt even out

and the old one is old by now

[frank basin]

Not space marine 2

[zealous wyvern]

the old ones old

i said on this level

anyway its orcs and marines

some ppl prefer playing a guardsman or psyker

this game is the only game that does what it does

no other game out there does it

so even when not liking aspects of it, you cant leave if you want it

[frank basin]

And shoota, blood and teef

[zealous wyvern]

oh yeah

an orc

i wanna play a dumb ugly green git

yeah

thank you

ill throw away my krieger

i can play gotrsjcieok

the deztroya

[frank basin]

Is funny they are inspire blood gore and cannoli

[white minnow]

it's still going to be called a crafting system and it'll have some slots, whether they'll be called perks/blessings or whatever name, and since we're still following the same structure, i'd say that a rework is a fair word for it

[zealous wyvern]

point is: just because someone criticises a game doesnt mean they can find what they want elsewhere

thats the dumbest point ever to make

like

for real

stop making that point

[white minnow]

and i don't expect them to radically rip it out

[zealous wyvern]

1 sushi restaurant in town
criticise the cooking
go somewhere else then

[white minnow]

since i figure that accomodating a transition from the current crafting system to a new one is a consideration as well

[frank ether]

thats what should have been done at like month one of release when everyone got fed up and left

[polar schooner]

The bare minimum they would need to deliver if they want to turn the rapidly declining playerbase around. In one update;

• crafting improvements, get rid of at least 2 layers of RNG, let people trade the resources interchangeably, let them buy crafting mats with gold
• add a social area to the hub (that already exists, which is the cantina/bar they showed in a cutscene). Let players do some minigames there, maybe gamble their resources against each other or something
• add new weapons (no, not more variants, actual weapons). Meltagun, heavy flamer/bolter for Ogryn, helgun, 2 handed power/force sword etc
• a ton more outfits to the free shop, we already know there's a massive selection of unused cosmetics just sitting in the files gathering dust, most of which are completely done too (and many of which existed in the game before release, like the box art cosmetics that streamers had access to in the closed beta)
• add a new area outside the hive city, with new map types. Exploring ruined cities in the desert, just something that isnt yet more of the same interior we've seen for 2+ years now
• new class, maybe an admech character of some description which would let them add a bunch of new cool stuff like rad-weapons

Realistically though, none of this will be in the update. It will be yet another 1 map and 2-4 weapon VARIATIONS that just slightly alter the gameplay of a weapon we've already had. Not to mention it will be full of bugs and break several things they fixed previously. Just like the last big patch did.

[white minnow]

sure but darktide was also incomplete in general at that stage

[frank ether]

it still is

[white minnow]

they released the game early and got owned for that

yeah i just mean very incomplete

[frank ether]

sure

fixing your broken systems is not content

[raw steppe]

My expectations is that theyll simplify the grind for the existing system so it's much easier to get to where you want in terms of weapons

[frank ether]

its not exciting

[raw steppe]

And move the grind

To the perfection of it

[frank ether]

no one gives a shit that payday 3 is trying at fixing its shit now

[white minnow]

yeah it's not content

[raw steppe]

Like red weapons or improving the stats

[frank ether]

thats how live service market is

[frank basin]

The grind like retention design from destiny 2

[white minnow]

but it's still something that sticks out sorely

i mean is darktide a live service game

[raw steppe]

The difference is that payday is a bad game fundamentally lol

[white minnow]

at this point, if it were ever called a live service game by the devs, i wouldn't believe it

[frank ether]

are you telling me it isn't?

[white minnow]

i wouldn't consider it one

[frank ether]

you're actually just gullable

[raw steppe]

Payday2 had the same issue at launch, but it was a good game so patches came, it got better and ppl liked it

[white minnow]

wha

[frank ether]

its a live service game dude

[raw steppe]

If you have a game that is bad

Like payday3 or suicide squad or back 4blood

[tiny summit]

I wouldn't consider it a live service.

[raw steppe]

Nothing will save it

Dt is a good game fundamentally

[frank ether]

you're like actually beyond saving

if you look at this game and think

[raw steppe]

So i think improvements will make it better

[frank ether]

''this is not a live service model''

[polar schooner]

It's monetized like a live service game, just without all the content updates

[frank ether]

its exactly identical to any other live service game

[white minnow]

i am damned to hell 😔

[frank basin]

You okay arco

[white minnow]

we haven't really gotten any particular content updates and it's been fatshark patching up the game so far so that's why i don't consider it one

[frank ether]

like all the other failed live service games

its still a live service game

failure to deliver is the selling point of most of them anyhow

[frank basin]

I think team of Darktide is bit medium and patching take time for them to code and solve the bugs

[polar schooner]

Like what was their big patch after 3 months? hotfixes (most of which broke even more stuff) and changing the activation on power swords so you can do it mid-combo now. Whoopdefuckingdoo. Here's me clapping enthusiastically

Meanwhile they keep shitting out 20 dollar sets on their rotating FOMO store

[tiny summit]

If the game wasn't online only, I guess I wouldn't consider it live service since beyond the server the only service I'm getting is cosmetics. The game gets updates sometimes as far as the rollout of content, I wouldn't even liken it to other successful live services

[frank ether]

none of the sets are anything interesting either

nothing worth 20$

[polar schooner]

It's hilarious to me how they launched the Krieg sets as "Premium cosmetics" so they could jack up the price even more

[raw steppe]

To be fair theyre swedish

[polar schooner]

And how many times have they had to pach the greatcoat for vet now?

3 times?

Because of clipping issues

[raw steppe]

So their devs prob work like 10 hours a week

[polar schooner]

Very fucking Premium my guys

[raw steppe]

Theyre not an american dev company

That can churn out updates

Heh

And god forbid you complain about that

[frank ether]

premium btw

[raw steppe]

Cuz someone will be like

[frank ether]

I wouldn't even care about clipping

[raw steppe]

"I'd rather the devs have a good work environment than have more updates"

[frank ether]

if they didn't have the gull to sell me recolours

they charge full money for recoloured assets

and then expect good will from me

[raw steppe]

For me personally since I'm a customer i want them to slave away

And make more content

[polar schooner]

Or when they take a complete set, then sell the helmet separately

Also very cool

[tiny summit]

Full price recolors, rotating shop of recolors, lacking earnables, price increases. All these things turn me away from giving them more money

2 weapon colors for +1 year out. 2. And they are default models with the recolor. So you may not even have the gun model you're using with the recolor.

[frank basin]

Just go play helldiver 2

[frank ether]

I'm already playing it

75 hours damn time flies

feel like at least 20 of those hours are sitting afk in ship waiting for people to get through first week queues

[raw steppe]

Already bored of helldivers lol

No more content once you do a 7/8/9 and hit 20

[frank basin]

You least got content

Like you finished the food

[polar schooner]

Same, me and my friends stopped playing DT and moved over to HD2 instead.

[frank ether]

playing 7 to 9 is high enough intensity to be fun

I don't need a gear treadmill to enjoy games

but earnable premium cash is nice

[raw steppe]

Eh it got boring after 10 or so runs

[frank ether]

I have fashion stuff to look forward to

[polar schooner]

Also there's been leaks for tons of new content for that game, vehicles, walkers, teleport backpacks. All kinds of stuff

[frank basin]

I personally just wait starship trooper

[frank ether]

sounds like a you thing, I think the game is pretty ok

weapon balance needs some work thats all

[teal abyss]

There’s numerous weapons and stuff in the Warbonds that there’s no way you have unlocked by that point, so I mean technically but not really? Lmao

[frank ether]

its impossible to unlock everything by lvl20 lol

unless you do the mortar farm maybe

[next spade]

just bought this one, any laspistol pros? never used them much

[raw steppe]

Hmm I'm more interested in the gameplay

Than the weapon unlocks

[lyric dock]

That's a really solid off the bat

[raw steppe]

So the parts that excite me is strategem unlocks

[frank ether]

the gameplay is fine

[next spade]

Darktide definitely has a lot more content than HD2

[raw steppe]

And enemy types

[teal abyss]

Weapons directly change and affect gameplay/strategy but aight

[raw steppe]

And the enemy variation is pretty boring

[frank ether]

bro what

[tiny summit]

Change infested. I value ghost on laspistols

[raw steppe]

Not really because railgun is so op kek

[frank ether]

there are so many unique enemies all with their own unique gimmicks

[raw steppe]

Not really? There are like 10 enemy types per faction

[frank basin]

Yeah but I hate have use railgun to kill automaton on 7-8

[raw steppe]

And realistically its like 2-3 of the heavily armored ones that really matter

[teal abyss]

I was just gonna say you’re probably bored because you exclusively use Breaker+Railgun like the meta nerds😭try something else and actually enjoy the game instead of just rushing to the end with the best viable build and then complaining there’s nothing to do lmao

[frank basin]

I love machine gun blast everything

[raw steppe]

This is a very silly statement to make

Who are you to tell me how i should enjoy games

[frank ether]

lmao again what? Just the basic troopers on automaton front have like 5-6 different varieties

[next spade]

Im anti meta nerd and the game just has a few solid weapons right now and strategem balance is also very wonky, but enemy variety is basically the same every mission, I think its best to wait a content update or two

[odd sparrow]

big crit/headshot modifiers. So going crit chance and landing headshots results in huge dmg

[raw steppe]

I think itll get better as well

[next spade]

how do you mean?

[raw steppe]

Theres also just like... Only 3-4 mission modifiers

[teal abyss]

Not at all, you literally didn’t even consider the 5-6 weapons you definitely don’t have unlocked yet as gameplay changing options at all because I guarantee the breaker hasn’t left your slot since you unlocked that’s how you make a game boring faster than everyone else who’s still playing it and enjoying it fine

[raw steppe]

Scramble, slower strategem cooldown, etc

[raw steppe]

I dont even use the breaker son

I use the pump because i like it

[frank basin]

Shotgun

My favorite firearm

[teal abyss]

Considering you’ve already exposed yourself as a Railgun meta sweat I doubt that greatly but alright man

[next spade]

what should I put? ranged weakspot damage?

[frank basin]

Not ranged weakspot damage

People going say same meta shit like flak and maniac

[raw steppe]

I'm gonna block you. You're not adding anything to this except personal attacks and everyone else whos looking at this conversation can see how much of a little bitch you're acting

[next spade]

lasgun damage profile is so strange I dont really know what do to

[frank basin]

Well go your own flow

Check damage breakdown

If anything does high damage to certain types don’t need change

[raw steppe]

Ye i think itll get better with time, once theres more ways to make the gameplay different

[teal abyss]

For calling you out because you’re complaining about a game that you’re just wrong about? There’s literally still content to earn after 7/8/9 and hitting level 20 but when I pointed that out to you you said “no because the Railgun is just the best”
Lmao, like good riddance, we don’t need meta scum like you for the war effort

[raw steppe]

Will prob play more once more content drops

[frank ether]

you got troopers, raiders, marauders, jetpack fuckers that self detonate, commissars, striders, berserkers packs, shield devastator, rocket pod devastator, basic devastator, autocannon hulk, rocketpod hulk, flamethrower hulk, regular tank, HMG tank, dropships that you can also kill, stationary cannon towers, AA emplacements, artillery emplacements..

This is just one faction

[next spade]

you gotta relax dude, its just not a lot of content and very mixed balance right now, its a fun game but better not burn out on it now while its at its worst

[raw steppe]

Dw i already blocked him lol

[next spade]

same for most games, not burn out at launch, wait a larger update or 2 and then jump in

[frank basin]

“One blocked message” -dis

[raw steppe]

Hes just unreasonable and emotional

[next spade]

Im very glad I didnt play darktide at launch much

[raw steppe]

Ye i agree

Dt is a good game

But if you're not enjoying it

Take a break and come back when theres more content

[frank basin]

Sprewing hatred

On the game

[raw steppe]

Ngl against everything but like tanks, the hulks and the jumpers

[frank basin]

There is competition comparing dt and hd2

[raw steppe]

You just shoot them until they die lol

[frank basin]

Or call drop pod upon them

[raw steppe]

It is fun but after 10 or so games it did get old for me

I'm not sure how to solve that

[terse idol]

Anti-met ais okayyy but like

BALANCE PLS

[frank ether]

if we're gonna simplify things like that about every enemy except rager packs in darktide can be whacked to death with a combat axe

[terse idol]

Some stratagems are just worse

😌

[raw steppe]

Tbh i usually dont block ppl

Usually ppl can stay civil

[frank basin]

Why you always use that emoji

[raw steppe]

Even if we disagree lol

Like plush for example

[terse idol]

Love feeling relaxed

[raw steppe]

I disagree with him on everythinf

[frank ether]

the chaff in helldivers is significantly more of a threat than in darktide

[raw steppe]

But we're not out here flming each other

[frank ether]

this is not an emotional take its just how it is with their ability to call in reinforcements or just instakill you

[raw steppe]

Ye thats true

The reinforcement call in is exciting

[terse idol]

To be fair not every chaff enemy in helldivers can kill you...

[odd sparrow]

for perkss i would take flak + maniac

[terse idol]

but I am understanding why people hate hunters now

They make it literally nearly impossible to break engagement

[raw steppe]

Hunters are annoying lol

[frank ether]

hunters are pretty obnoxious in packs

[raw steppe]

I always go out of my way

To kill the hunter spawners

[frank basin]

Are you guy talking about automaton

[terse idol]

no tyrmaids

[frank ether]

its good practice to have someone with a chaff killing setup

like a grenade launcher

[raw steppe]

It also helps to clear out outposts to reduce the number of patrols on the map in general

Cuz getting reinforcements called on u really really sucks

I always try to clear out hunter spwn holes and outposts on the way if i can

[frank ether]

its kinda like darktide's pre-class rework that you have someone with a railgun for special killing and someone with GL to do chaff and spawner clearing

I think what the game lacks right now is weapon balancing

[raw steppe]

This is true

Energy weapons are dog

[frank ether]

so the viable combinations at diff 7-9 boils down to the same few guns and specials

[frank basin]

Muh machine gun 😭

[frank ether]

the weakspot mechanics are far more detailed than darktide however

[teal abyss]

The fact that the breaker hasn’t been changed yet is mind blowing to me, like how did a full automatic shotgun with a 16 round mag doing 50 more damage than a PUMP SLUG SHOTGUN ever make sense in someone’s head

[frank basin]

https://youtube.com/shorts/tNrbDtqs564?si=VMQsOSU2E-qfpLgK

[raw steppe]

I think the other thing is that armor is too prevalent and an issue that must be dealt with

While "specialists"

Like flamer, bomber type enemies dont matter

In hd2

I would like more enemies like the hunter

[frank ether]

well automaton front you got the jetpack fuckers

[raw steppe]

Where it wasnt just a fat tanky armored enemy

[frank basin]

I think dev want keep it simple

[frank ether]

that self detonate if they are close to you

or blow up if you shoot the jetpack

[raw steppe]

Yeah they annoying lmao

[frank ether]

they do pretty well at zoning you out of comfy cover

its a lot more punishing on bot front

[frank basin]

Smoke grenade in hd2 when

[frank ether]

because being out of cover sucks in bot front

[teal abyss]

There is one lmao

In the warbond

[frank ether]

there is one yeah

[frank basin]

Which is suck I assume ya say

[frank ether]

never used it so I cant tell how good it is

if it breaks engagements that would be pretty good

the game is all about breaking needless fights so you can get shit done in time

[frank basin]

But it would take away blowing up spawner

[raw steppe]

Its actually not bad lol

[frank ether]

most ppl dont understand this

and hold their ground, ground that doesn't matter

[raw steppe]

Works really well in solos and duos

[frank basin]

Can GL blow up spawner?

[frank ether]

light armors are also ideal for this reason in solo/duo

you can run off to cut engagements

[frank ether]

yes

[raw steppe]

Ye

Light armor with reduced detection range

And smoke

Helps a lot

[frank ether]

thats the good one

I personally prefer the explosive resistant one though

[frank basin]

I’m a pure juggernaut fan

[frank ether]

being able to survive a rocket is nice

I don't run the shield pack

so I make a trade-off there

[frank basin]

There’s YouTuber say rocket count as projectile or kinetic not explosive

[frank ether]

Idk I survive a rocket fine

[frank basin]

It take your 90% of health

Getting first shot

Like high difficulty I think

[frank ether]

I dont think damage scales with difficulty

[frank basin]

It is health scale with difficulty?

[frank ether]

no

it shouldn't

you just get bigger enemies

[frank basin]

Scale numbers of enemy?

[frank ether]

and more often

scale intensity yes

more and bigger enemies

[frank basin]

K

I got power outages rn

[nova lagoon]

CoD getting Karskin operator before DT

[rugged garnet]

CoD is doodoo

[zealous wyvern]

@abstract quartz

[slow spade]

the sad moment when it honestly looks better too

[faint beacon]

Seeing this makes me weep

[quartz portal]

Any ideas for a MK 7 Shovel build?

[sonic marlin]

What are the current bugs for veteran

also anything important in last hotfix?

[midnight totem]

current bug for veteran is

apparently shout makes you immrtal to gunners

[terse idol]

cod can eat a chungus 😌

I'm gonna say it but folks are gonna be mad that scion armour will release

And look like scion armour