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tiny summit
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Can't believe you run my insanity

frank ether
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whenever people post some unholy abomination in here

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I just get the urge to try it out

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too bad I play on eu so I can't join to troll your games without suffering highpingitis

tiny summit
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Lol

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The only complaint I've ever had was a shield ogryn reeeing about smokes this patch

frank ether
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shield ogryns are

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specimens

tiny summit
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I need to mod the recon to go "uwu" and post this run

frank ether
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what melee do you even

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pair this with

tiny summit
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Hmm I don't know. You could bring a power sword so you aren't fully trolling but that's not in spirit of the build

tame lodge
tiny summit
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4 Exe MF Recon Vets. What could go wrong?

tame lodge
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Not enough targets to shoot

tiny summit
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RPS the ammo or free for all?

frank ether
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I mean I'll join and play but I won't be responsible for my dogshit gameplay KEKW_ogryn

tiny summit
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Oh I know. No BM Taxe

frank ether
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smelter complex

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I'm bringing your stinky build to smelly complex

tiny summit
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Lmao

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Gonna post a run at least with a disclaimer: This Veteran does not endorse this build

frank ether
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didn't had to suffer for too long

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2 large ammo for just the start event

tiny summit
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We psyop the playerbase into thinking recon is godlike during this lax as fuck patch

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Struggling to have 1 person get 400k dmg in these aurics

tiny summit
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I need to stop. This shit is so ass

frank ether
glossy knoll
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quick question for shovel enthusiasts. Is skullbreaker better for the foldables or is decimator?

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unsure which to pair with thrust

frank ether
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if your goal is to get a damage buff to folded attacks then skullbreaker

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because decimator stacks will expire when you stop hitting to fold your shovel

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in either case it depends on what you use it for

glossy knoll
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I built them a lot like the ogryn shovels

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with thrust and special for bonking crushers/maulers/elites

tiny summit
frank ether
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ogryn shovels get brutal momentum though

glossy knoll
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and brutal momentum/decimator/skullbreaker for horde clear

frank ether
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you won't get the same performance on vet shovel

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because you lack BM

glossy knoll
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I know, hence me trying to figure out whether decimator or skullbreaker is the next best thing

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for horde clear

frank ether
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I like to put thrust instead to buff heavies and folded heavies

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my go to fold shovel has thrust limbsplitter

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I just occasionally pull it out and nuke something big

tiny summit
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Exe...MF...Bolter

radiant chasm
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uncanny is the best thing to get on vet shovel

frank ether
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aside from exe bolter pains

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but you can make it function

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just pick a lot of reload speed

tiny summit
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Why does a dog take a bolter shot to the face like a champ?

tough tiger
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multipliers

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bursters not bursting to a bolter round is also pretty funny

white minnow
tiny summit
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I'm gonna take a break from my build abominations until next content update

trim steppe
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Yeah I'm pretty much on break until there's more content. Never finished my goal but there're so many other games siren calling me

tall torrent
white minnow
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i haven't benchmarked it but probably very marginal since i am cpu-bottlenecked

frank ether
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probably good for input lag regardless

iron crag
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Anyone have some advice or wanna group up to assist me in getting the no miss penance

strange fable
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Is there a resource that has like a list of what the top perks/blessings are for each weap category or something along those lines?

frank ether
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soon

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this ogy was not having a good time

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strange fable
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lol

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Im running a braced auto so if sniper is too far out in my lobby nothing i can do lol

frank ether
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game ended near the elevator room leading down to the boss

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strange fable
frank ether
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thats the default scoreboard

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I never updated it

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moments before disaster

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raw steppe
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Just tap

jaunty sphinx
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Yeah just tap fire

strange fable
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Which mission is the best one to do, to do the veterans' penance of don't get hit by amelee attk on malice or higher

tall torrent
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U can also cheese it rn from what I heard

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Just jump off the cliff, die out, and let ur teammates finish the mission

strange fable
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nvm any edghe i gues lol

tall torrent
strange fable
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orthus offensive easier?

tall torrent
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Yea just block every attack

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Use VoC or infil

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Keep toughness up

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Keep defense up

strange fable
tall torrent
jaunty sphinx
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I remember how excited I was when I got that one incidentally and I got excited in the chat over it and my teammates congratulated me

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It was nice I like sharing nice moments with strangers

strange fable
strange fable
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WOo got it done

junior needle
tall torrent
strange fable
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Now to do the finish on heresy with 90% accuracy and no ammo left lol

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Running bolt gun for it, just gonna empty it completely on single taps then not resupply

junior needle
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You can just do the special mission and empty into boss shields

tall torrent
strange fable
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There just no one who does Special Assignment on Heresy? Keep getting bots

junior needle
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Could be your region

shadow dagger
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is there a mod for like

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vendor keyboard shortcuts in morningstar

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so i dont have to waddle my ass over to hadron every time i buy a potential brick from brunt

frank basin
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Just press esc and I can access to brunt armory

hollow ibex
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now you can brick weapons 50% faster!

shadow dagger
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huge!

frank basin
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Yes indeed

trim steppe
trim steppe
fickle wraith
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got that 1940's german aviator drip

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gusty bison
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Just found this gem on reddit

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What a joke xD

frank ether
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bolter ads is just ugly

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the fact that you need a crosshair mod to even know where your bullets are going

gusty bison
fickle wraith
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start quick play damnation
get hi intens
get a bot
get rifle gamers that hang back 50 meters behind you so they dont push forward
die on first horde not even 100meters into the zone

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rip

gusty bison
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Or they are wall spamming

frank ether
gusty bison
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Ergo wall spammers

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:P

frank ether
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I'm just impressed they are asking for like

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reasonable buffs

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debatable if %20 ammo buff is needed but without a surv veteran I can see it

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Its kinda funny vet talents more or less have an answer to all the downsides of the weapon

gusty bison
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The 20% ammo buff is silly but the recoil fix is reasonable ye

elder fiber
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nah just give it a functional crosshair for ads lol

agile forge
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Every time you pull the trigger Nurgle shits himself.

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I'm not suggesting a buff, Nurgle just does that anyway one way or the other

gusty bison
fickle wraith
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is there any specific build for stub revolvers?

gusty bison
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Wham infinite clip size

fickle wraith
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rly?

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is that the play? curious

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@gusty bison

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something like this?

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or are u trolling me

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xd

gusty bison
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Also take duck n dive

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And see if u can free up 3 talent points somewhere for iron will

fickle wraith
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uh

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can give up grenade tinkerer i guess

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feel like removing longshot is troll

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its either deadshot or precision strike

gusty bison
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Hang on

fickle wraith
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for iron will

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you took duck and dive

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u didnt take*

gusty bison
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This is my recommendation for an easy build to use

fickle wraith
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why would i not grab superiority complex though

gusty bison
gusty bison
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Swap deadshot for it

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Weapon spec gets u a guaranteed crit

wicked gate
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Any new veteran gear on the shop?

fickle wraith
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is exploit weakness that good? the only monsters that i dont 2-3 shot are monstrosities

gusty bison
gusty bison
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Between exploit and +25 tou

fickle wraith
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was vanguard buffed?

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never seen anyone play it

gusty bison
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You take it for out for blood

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Its not great

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But OfB is AMAZING

fickle wraith
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i mean

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confirmed kil

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kill

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does nearly the asme thing

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but better

gusty bison
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No

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Its different

fickle wraith
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or am i misreading it

gusty bison
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What melee do u use

fickle wraith
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goofy little mk6 power

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silly little

gusty bison
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Ok so that means every swing into a horde is now 50% toughness back

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Every nade is like 60% toughness

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CK is only 10% now, 25% later

fickle wraith
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sure

gusty bison
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And its only on elites and specials

fickle wraith
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ill try it

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i mean

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most of the mobs

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in damnation

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are at least specialists

gusty bison
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Nah

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Most of the mobs are chaff

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I.e. not elite nor specials

bitter turtle
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and only maxes out at 30m

gusty bison
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U just get a lot of elites and specials

gusty bison
bitter turtle
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i would drop it if you dont need the tiny big of dmg for bp

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8m it adds like under 5%

gusty bison
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Its 10% at 8m

bitter turtle
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🤔

gusty bison
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0% at 7m

bitter turtle
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i swear it was less

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let me check

gusty bison
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Its min 10% iirc

bitter turtle
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this says otherwise

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and lines up with my experience more

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er

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wow that didnt copy well

fickle wraith
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surely this is teh look

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bitter turtle
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dmg at 10m is only 2% gain

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at 15m u start getting 6% according to this

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20m gives u 11%

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then maxes out at 20% at 30m

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8m gives 0

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i can try it in game

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but there is no way u get 10% dmg at 8m

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that would be insane

fickle wraith
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gonna test it on heresy

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this could either be INSANE

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or dogshit

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seeing how my next 3 roll

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🙂

bitter turtle
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carapace is not ideal but usable

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gl

fickle wraith
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green for heresy should be fine

bitter turtle
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maniac + elite is the godroll

fickle wraith
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with those fat stats

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how do u play revolver

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playstyle wise

bitter turtle
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melee like 70% of the time

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swap it out to delete specials

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or to prolong wep specialist buff

fickle wraith
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kk

bitter turtle
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it synergizes well with always prepared

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bc always prepared rounds up

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so even a single melee kill fills 1 bullet back

gusty bison
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This is my revolver build

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I wouldnt recommend starting with it though

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It can be a bit squishy if u dont know what ur doing

gusty bison
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So whenever you wanna shoot you Q, M1, Q

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Then go back to murdering in mele

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If theres multiple targets the "ideal" way is Q M1 Q M1 Q M1 repeat

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But you can also just swap to volver, shoot all the targets u wanna shoot, then swap back

proven plaza
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is there some reason why i cant post a pic of a weapon drop anymore?

bitter turtle
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@gusty bison

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definitely not a 10% boost at 8m

gusty bison
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I stand corrected

bitter turtle
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im inclined to believe that table

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so ya nothing really significant until u move like 15m out

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i think for revolver it is rather meaningless

gusty bison
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Fair

bitter turtle
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anything u shoot at that distance is squishy

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the gun already 1tap rager anyway built properly even on bodyshot

gusty bison
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Mhm

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Longshot is nice for knife edge bps like helbore

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But ye

bitter turtle
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i just treat longshot as an extra 5% dmg for guns that just barely dont reach a bp

gusty bison
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Mhm

fickle wraith
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20% attk speed feels goated tho lol

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on melee

fading solar
fickle wraith
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might wanna try chainsword w ith tho

bitter turtle
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imo

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chainsword is kinda bad for heavy melee build

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but that's just me

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not like aspd helps with ur rev

gusty bison
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I like it on combat axe the most

fickle wraith
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i think itd be better onc hainsword than power sword

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😦

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i assume hand cannon is good

trim hemlock
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Gun.

trim hemlock
fickle wraith
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useable?

trim hemlock
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Swap Crit damage and Gloryhunter to something else

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Gloryhunter to Surgical, probably

fickle wraith
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fair

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fair

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which chainsword is the better one btw?

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the mk4?

trim hemlock
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Mk13g is “better” for handling certain single targets, but is arguably worse at swarm clear

fickle wraith
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ok cool so i got the good one

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poggies

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junior needle
fickle wraith
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sad rolls 😦

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junior needle
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Just keep in mind that if you're using light spam on a chainsword

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You need wrath to proc rampage on bruisers

junior needle
fickle wraith
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HUH

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i enjoy it so much tho

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feels like i kill most things quickly

late hatch
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have you tried the c5?

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columnus 5 iag

junior needle
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It has extremely poor flak damage

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And is generally just inferior to iag's even if you take rending for that

gusty bison
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Generally IAGs are better

junior needle
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Great maniac damage though

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But

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Doesn't handle very well

gusty bison
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Vet lives and breathes finesse damage

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And shredders have garbage finesse

junior needle
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And doesn't have sheer damage output of iag's

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Well, you don't have to take finesse boosts KEKW_ogryn

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That's why the ping keystone exists

gusty bison
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You dont have to

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But u should

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:P

junior needle
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You aren't forced to do so

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You have to choose to do it

trim hemlock
junior needle
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Although I suppose exe has weakspot damage

gusty bison
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Mhm

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Also ita not just for guns

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Its for melee too.

fickle wraith
junior needle
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Why would I melee when I can be an ammo goblin and shoot my recon lasgun into chaffe all game?

fickle wraith
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that right click slide driveby is so satisfying

gusty bison
fickle wraith
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i heard its not good though?
idk

gusty bison
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...

fickle wraith
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LITERALLY every single time i ask

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i get

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different opinions

gusty bison
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Laspistol is like

fickle wraith
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KEK

trim hemlock
gusty bison
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The best fucking vet gun that isnt the OP trio

fickle wraith
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i heard laspistol is a "7/10 at best, 9/10 if u can hit heads really well"

trim hemlock
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See what happens

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:)

gusty bison
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Wtf

late hatch
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mk10 laspistol is my fave ranged weapon atm

fickle wraith
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7/10 is alright

gusty bison
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9/10 if u hit heads

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Which uh

fickle wraith
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yes who told u im a good head hitter

gusty bison
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Ur playing vet

fickle wraith
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huh?

gusty bison
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So hit them heads

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:P

fickle wraith
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which is the op trio btw?

gusty bison
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Ciag, plasma, volver

fickle wraith
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ciag?

gusty bison
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The guns that actually break the game

trim hemlock
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Zarona volver*

gusty bison
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Columnus Infantry Autogun

trim hemlock
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Agri is kind of garbage

fickle wraith
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the mk5?

gusty bison
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Ye

fickle wraith
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lemme log

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i think i have it

gusty bison
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Its slightly weaker than the othet two

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Hang on

fickle wraith
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its good but idk i defo dont find it as satisfying as blicky drive bying some specialists

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whats a laspistol build then

late hatch
gusty bison
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Very similar to revolver

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Hang on

junior needle
gusty bison
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Something like this isnt shabby

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Of course feel free to move stuff around

trim hemlock
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Based speed aura

late hatch
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no shock trooper or surv means you will be competing for ammo, either one means you can blast away

fickle wraith
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im NOT a good "finesse" player

late hatch
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git gud

trim hemlock
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Imagine NOT competing for ammo

gusty bison
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Like

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U have ammo for days

trim hemlock
junior needle
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Last I used a laspistol, it did not have ammo for days

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But that was the old one

bitter turtle
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this is my current build

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and yes

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it does not have ammo for days

junior needle
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Definitely a lot worse than an infantry las with the same setup

gusty bison
bitter turtle
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survivalist or shocktrooper are pretty much necessary imo but it doesnt hurt to have both

gusty bison
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Damage wise hell no

bitter turtle
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but i need my 10% melee

late hatch
# gusty bison U have ammo for days

idk, I found without one of those talents it isnt bad but you def have to be more careful. take either and you can shoot most of the mission

bitter turtle
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and my speedy aura

fickle wraith
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which laspistol is the one to go

junior needle
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I was talking ammo

bitter turtle
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the fast one

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i really dont like the slow one

gusty bison
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Kantrael is fine if you arent good at rapid headtapping

bitter turtle
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dmg isnt that much higher but much slower at shooting

late hatch
gusty bison
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But accatran performs better with skill

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Both will perform well at the highest of difficulties

bitter turtle
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idk

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i thought kant was actually more punishing to miss

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u dont proc ghost and then u get shredded in a gunfight

gusty bison
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Kantrael has less punishing bodyshots

bitter turtle
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meanwhile i just spam left click on accatran

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lol

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yeah but its a laspistol

gusty bison
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U have too much tou regen lol

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Also its a laspistol, you dodge

bitter turtle
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i go in very

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very deep

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with laspistol

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im psychotic

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all movespeed bonuses + infiltrate

gusty bison
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I usually run knife for my deep dive builds lol so Im not even bothering to shoot with those

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Why shoot when I can knife

late hatch
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laspistol has super fast swap letting you rp as a commisar shooting a prio target basically in between swings

gusty bison
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But yea. Use kantrael laspistol if ur not confident in hitting rapid succcessive headshots.

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Accatran if you are

gusty bison
bitter turtle
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bc knife builds are forced to take an iag or brauto if you dont want to be a drag

gusty bison
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But that probably is an exploit

fickle wraith
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i will try both on lower difficulties

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much appreciated

bitter turtle
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and that is boring

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eventually

gusty bison
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Disagree

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Knife clears hordes ok

bitter turtle
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its literally

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the worst horde clear weapon

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in the game possible

gusty bison
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Thats the thammer

trim hemlock
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It’s not whatthefuck_heresy

bitter turtle
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ok

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on vet*

gusty bison
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Tactical axe

trim hemlock
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Try Achlys combat axe without BM

bitter turtle
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and if we're really comparing to crucis

trim hemlock
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Good luck fighting hordes with it

bitter turtle
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then we're scraping the bottom of the barrel here

bitter turtle
gusty bison
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Knife is 1 kill per stab but u stab very fast

bitter turtle
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is this how we're trying to make knife look good

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at hordes

trim hemlock
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Well, calling combat knife bad at horde is not exactly telling an entire story

bitter turtle
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it is telling the entire story

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yes

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even your precious bleed knife doesnt kill hordes much faster

trim hemlock
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I’m not talking about bleed knife

bitter turtle
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i made a shitton of videos in testing w/ people suggesting stuff

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turns out only uncanny really makes a significant difference KEKW_ogryn

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on mobs

gusty bison
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Precog i think also does

bitter turtle
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believe it or not

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it doesn't really

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like all the setups were within 1 second of each other

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on like 20 bruisers

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only uncanny lost like 3-4 seconds

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when u swap it out

gusty bison
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Its still fine at horde clear

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Since chaff is mostly irrelevant anyway

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Its enough to carve a path

bitter turtle
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"its fine at horde clear because hordes don't matter" is not a very convincing argument in favor of knife horde clear KEKW_ogryn

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look im not saying u litearlly cant do it

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but its one of the worst in the game obv

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so optimally you'd bring a gun decent at it

gusty bison
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Ye but it has enough to get by

gusty bison
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Id rather clear with a knife

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Or grenade spam

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And I dont think hordeclear is important at all ngl

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So having barely sufficient horde clear is more than enough

trim hemlock
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Horde clear is a time tax yesgryn

gaunt delta
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“Having more than enough horde clear is having more than enough”

gusty bison
trim hemlock
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It is, but if you get stuck on something, you will have to deal with it eventually

gaunt delta
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Tell that to the Ogryn

gusty bison
trim hemlock
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Unless you’re in a speed play group that clears anything the game throws at them and just pushes forward

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(I don’t, most of the time)

gusty bison
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Thats what the nades are for tbf

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Two nades = room clear

trim hemlock
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So good

gusty bison
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Yeetus deletus

bitter turtle
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u cannot tell me

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brautos are bad at horde clear

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that i slike the point of the gun

gusty bison
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They are mediocre at it

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Especially on vet

bitter turtle
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but knife is decent?

gusty bison
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Where u have infinite grenades

bitter turtle
gusty bison
wanton dawn
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Agri brauto is good at horde

bitter turtle
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take an agri brauto

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shoot into a horde

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and knife it and compare them

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please

trim hemlock
bitter turtle
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dont make me record the obvious truth

gusty bison
trim hemlock
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but combat axes probably still retain OK swarm clear with HT + Deci

bitter turtle
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its a brauto/iag

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u literally can hose hordes and not run out of ammo on these guns

gusty bison
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Its vet nades

trim hemlock
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Only Achlys is garbage due to ridiculously low cleave values/swing angles

gusty bison
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You know, the class that gets one like every 20s

wanton dawn
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The point about agri brauto is that you can easily reach target into horde

gusty bison
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Thanks demo team

bitter turtle
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2 grenades would honestly be slower on mixed hordes

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u still need to wait for them to bleed out

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as opposed to just spam gun

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also remember

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ragers dont die unless u hit the explosion

gusty bison
wanton dawn
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Grenade is better if you are stuck in melee

bitter turtle
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why the fuck

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are we now comparing nade to brauto

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when we were talking about knife

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what is this goalpost moving

gusty bison
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Because brauto is a semilimited resource usage

wanton dawn
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Idk i just came here

gusty bison
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Nade is also semilimited

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Knife is limitless

bitter turtle
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limitless and slow as fuck

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might as well say

gusty bison
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Fast enough for cleanup

bitter turtle
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bolter alt shove is good at horde clear

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"its limitless"

gusty bison
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Bolter alt shovr doesnt kill a dude per swing

bitter turtle
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look

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if we'r enot calling

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one of the literal worst horde weapons

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by design

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as in why do u think they made the mk 6

wanton dawn
bitter turtle
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"bad" at horde

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then what is "bad"

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at horde

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nothing?

gusty bison
bitter turtle
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yes

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and why do u think

gusty bison
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Cos they use a limited resource while being as efficient as knife

bitter turtle
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i said from the start

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its best to pair knife with a very limited selection of guns that are good at horde

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i.e brauto

gusty bison
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Brauto isnt good at it though

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Its mediocre at it

timid otter
wanton dawn
gusty bison
wanton dawn
gusty bison
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Im saying every other gun vet has is crap at hording

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So the bar is the floor

wanton dawn
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Hb 1 & 2 can do it too KEKW_ogryn

gusty bison
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Bayos arent guns

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:P

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But fair

odd sparrow
wanton dawn
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Plasma has too low rof for it

gusty bison
odd sparrow
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im not saying you should

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but you could

gusty bison
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Especially if ur using charged shots for the 100 cleave

gusty bison
gaunt delta
gusty bison
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In all seriousness though I like having something like a laspistol with knife more

bitter turtle
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ok

gusty bison
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Murders gunners, shooters and ragers

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And snipers

gaunt delta
gusty bison
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Most specials

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Knife is good for crusher and mauler busting

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And also murdering ragers

bitter turtle
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brauto time to drop 20 bruisers: 4 seconds

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knife time to drop them: literally over 20 seconds

gaunt delta
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Plus with all that mobility you’re using all the 5 Ds of dodgeball

bitter turtle
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are we really saying "yeah you might a swell just slowly stab them one at a time tod eath"

gusty bison
gusty bison
bitter turtle
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this is the game

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i had the other day

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oh no

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mccraime had to pick up

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2 whole small ammo packs

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to hose down 500 enemies with brauto

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wow

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such ammo

gusty bison
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Ew 2 ammo packs

bitter turtle
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very loss

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come on

wanton dawn
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I had to drop once for each ammo pack

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They are heavy

bitter turtle
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why do ppl

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start bending backwards over so hard

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whenever knife comes into discussion

gusty bison
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Because running brauto means im not running laspistol

bitter turtle
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yes

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you can find it fun

gusty bison
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And thats a big loss

bitter turtle
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i never said anything about that

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but knife is objectively probably the worst horde clearing melee

gusty bison
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Sure

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It is

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Not bringing horde clear melee or ranged is fine

timid otter
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Chain axe is worse

bitter turtle
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debatable

gusty bison
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Thammer too

timid otter
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Power maul is another terrible option

bitter turtle
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chaxe heavies have more cleave at least

gusty bison
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But thammer zealots dont bring brauto all the time

timid otter
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Ive seen level 6 characters clear hordes faster then chain axe

bitter turtle
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zealots also have so many melee buffs up the ass they can band-aid over any weakness of their melee

gusty bison
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Vets have... more consistent melee buffs thou

bitter turtle
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there is nothing on vet better than the meme infinite chastise shit

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in terms of offense for melee

gusty bison
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You realize infinite chastise doesnt fix thammer horde clear?

bitter turtle
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define fix

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but i can literally top score with fucking taxe with no gun

gusty bison
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Thammer has a horrible damage distribution

bitter turtle
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bc of that shit

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literally probably on eof the worst melees in the game

gusty bison
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The issue is just that the 2nd target takes severelt reduced damage

bitter turtle
gusty bison
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And 3rd target on takes near nothing

bitter turtle
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yes

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im not saying thammer is good

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but wow

gusty bison
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Taxe doesnt have that issue

bitter turtle
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suddenly only killing one thing at a time is problem

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when its thammer

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and not knife

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🤔

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and uh

gusty bison
bitter turtle
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taxe is pretty much killing one thing at a time too ngl

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i dont build bromentum taxe

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that is even more cope

gusty bison
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One of these things swings thrice as fast as the other

gusty bison
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It has better cleave damage

jaunty sphinx
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Paul > THammer

bitter turtle
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taxe cannot even kill one bruiser with a singl elight swing

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so no

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you arent even killign one thing per swing

gusty bison
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=.=

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Taxe has better damage distribution (and also attack speed)

bitter turtle
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also

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ppl are moving away from cruxis to ironhelm anyway

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for these exact reasons

gusty bison
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Thammer has the rare honor of having horrific damage distribution and also SLOW ass attack speed

bitter turtle
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the game is not favoring melee weapons that sugg at horde

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since ur gun selection becomes limited

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idk why knife gets a free pass

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in people's minds

gusty bison
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You uh

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Realize ironhelm has the same damage distribution as crucis?

jaunty sphinx
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Move utility and horde bleeds I'd imagine

bitter turtle
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i've tested it

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well

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ok

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caveat

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mk6 heavies on poxwalkers improves

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but not on bruisers

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on mk3 i would just not even bother

gusty bison
#

I think u just pattack bruisers though

jaunty sphinx
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Yeah

bitter turtle
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if you're pattacking then bleed is even more pointless

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im hoping u oneshot them

gusty bison
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Mhm ye

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Bleed is for mercy killer on big guys

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Not for hordes

jaunty sphinx
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Ye exactly

bitter turtle
#

yeah

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im just caveating

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because there acutally is one specific situation

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where bleed helps u kill hordes faster on knife

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like i said

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mk6 flesh tearer on poxwalkers

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not that id run it

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for that reason

jaunty sphinx
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I've been thinking of picking up a knife which do you recommend

gusty bison
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Agile engagement+ Weapon spec + laspistol knife does solid though

bitter turtle
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mk3 has better single attack patterns

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mk6 sorta tries to make it ok-ish at horde clear

gusty bison
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I run the mk 3 personally

bitter turtle
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but its still not very good

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you can still get good single target but some moveset changes makes u lose strikedowns

gusty bison
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Mhm

bitter turtle
#

nor can you spam punch -> strikedown anymore to circumvent it

gusty bison
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Iirc the pushattack is still fine on 6 though

jaunty sphinx
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Yeah I already get speedy melee spam since I use weapons specialist

bitter turtle
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punch -> strikedown requires another attack inbetween each use on 6, while it doesnt on 3

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personally i'd go with 3

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its what the knife is good at

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instead of trying to be less-than-mediocre at something its just not made for

jaunty sphinx
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Ty!

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If I don't like the knife I'll probably just go back to devil's claw

gusty bison
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Knife is good at carapace killing

jaunty sphinx
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Or chainsword

gusty bison
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Also at diving

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Thats the main advantage of knife tbh i feel

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You can do some insane dives with it

bitter turtle
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knife is more a mobility tool than a damage one relaly

jaunty sphinx
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Yeah the SCHMOOVEMENT is the main draw for me

bitter turtle
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knife charge attacks actually speed u up compared to sprinting

gusty bison
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Well its great for single target but ye

bitter turtle
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also reduces stamina usage

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its pretty good at single target, but its not like its the highest at that either

gusty bison
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Combo with laspistol for near immunity while diving

bitter turtle
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while it can tear apart a crusher quickly, psword still exists KEKW_ogryn

gusty bison
gusty bison
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Which is competitive with psword

jaunty sphinx
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God I hate the psword it just makes me too slow

gusty bison
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If you count the charge animation

bitter turtle
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knife can go as high as 2shot if you run precog

gusty bison
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Ye it can match psword i suppose

bitter turtle
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i dont think its really fair to count the charge animation

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its not like ur standing

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in front of the crusher to charge

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u probably charge while walking up to it

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then cancel as soon as you're in front and stab

gusty bison
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Yea but its fair in multiple crusher situations

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Granted knife also wants a stamina build

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So u can spam like 10 pushattacks in a row

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And just murder half a crusher patrol in a few seconds

bitter turtle
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@ironehlm

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is fine even on chonkier guys

gusty bison
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Used to be the same

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Oh wait thats the charged swing

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I was thinking uncharged

bitter turtle
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i mean

gusty bison
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Cos the charged swing takes eons to swing

bitter turtle
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the whol epoint of ironhelm

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is so you can charged swing horde clear

gusty bison
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Nah the point is so you dont need to learn to jump swing to snipw elites in hordes :P

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But fair

bitter turtle
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not ultra fast but its fine for a weapon that still can literally delete a boss hp bar in one hit

gusty bison
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Fwiw

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Which does matter for a few things

bitter turtle
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it does if you don't do the perfectionist build

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which

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to be fair

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is a bit meme

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i tried earlier and it could still 1tap BoN with perfectionist

gusty bison
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I think the old zealot players still favor crucis

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But ironhelm is a lot less of a joke in P13 than it was

dire olive
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Idk if this is a hot take but I feel most of the time Ironhelm is just better to have

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More versatile

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Less self stun

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More reliable

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Can still one shot anything short of a monster

gusty bison
#

Can it one shot crushers now?

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Used to be it missed the BP

dire olive
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Yeah, with some buff fuckery

gusty bison
#

Yea so conditional one shot

dire olive
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I think in my chastise build I have to trigger the overhead then F

gusty bison
#

Yea crucis is just F into charged heavy 1

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Does require thrust but eh

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Not hard to build that one

dire olive
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TBF in a lot of cases the team will have done enough damage to make up the difference

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Or finish it off

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So I wouldn't call it a deal-breaker

gusty bison
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Tbf in 90% of teams someone is also bringing a chaff clear build

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XD

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That makes chaff clear kinda irrelevant

placid portal
#

ayo I've been hearing some serious bugs reccently is it true?

dire olive
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Yeah, but also quicker consecutive bonks is nice

elder fiber
placid portal
#

So the rumors were true....

dire olive
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I think they have infinite ammo on everything it's just most useful on those 2

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With how it works

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You gotta like spam left click to proc lucky bullet or something

placid portal
dire olive
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Already paid off in the lack of finger pain

mystic surge
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Download the full auto mod

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It really is a hand saver

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Unless you're aren't afraid of carpal tunnel

tiny summit
placid portal
#

damn

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I've been too busy spreading Democracy to realise Atoma is finally cleansed of heretics

bitter turtle
#

yeah

placid portal
bitter turtle
#

its just part of the plotline development

#

live service

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we're winning

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atoma is saved

placid portal
#

Clearly since we purge 4k every mission

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even failed missions purge 1k

mystic surge
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There will always be heretic

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If you don't find them

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Then you haven't searched well enough

placid portal
#

the heretics are among us

tiny summit
#

Did run this and variations of it with Recon KEKW_ogryn

Screenshot_20240229_193220_Vivaldi.jpg
#

End of mission to my team: this build is an abomination

mystic surge
#

Well if I may deadshot with the recon is a bad idea

tiny summit
#

It isn't meant to be serious

mystic surge
#

Alright then

jaunty sphinx
#

Part 2 baby

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Let's go

placid portal
#

hoo boy

visual island
#

So plasma vet seems to be an iffy thing to different people. Is it worth giving a try?

trim hemlock
#

It’s broken-strong

mystic surge
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Plasma gun is literally the best gun in the game

trim hemlock
#

If you’re into playing broken-strong options, then more power to you

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But I’m the type of person that likes to undermine efficiency for the sake of fun whatthefuck_heresy

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And plasma gun is certainly no fun to play for me. It’s too effective for how little effort it requires to effectively operate

visual island
#

I've been playing Las gun vet and kinda struggling with it still maybe I need to stop using Las guns?

trim hemlock
#

Try Helbro lasguns, if you want to use the good lasguns

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Or laspistols, if you want a more mobile option

visual island
#

I was using the heavy Las pistol then switch to one of the single fire Las rifles

mystic surge
#

Lasgun really struggle if you don't have the full auto mod

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I don't like spamming left click

visual island
#

The only full auto I've used is the one with no recoil and it in theory is great fast fire rate no recoil but playing in game no damage

dire olive
#

Yeah it's the worst gun in the game

agile forge
#

Plasma = nobody else gets to have fun

visual island
agile forge
dire olive
#

eeeh

#

Useable, I guess. good, no

agile forge
#

I mean you can win with anything

#

You can make it as least bad as possible I suppose rather than good lol

#

Bad maniac multipliers are always a terrible thing for guns

dire olive
#

^

mystic surge
#

I haven't play much of laspistol can't tell

#

But the brown lasgun slap hard I like it

visual island
#

I loved the heavy Las pistol

torpid pier
#

any devs in chat can tell me how many cosmetics I gotta buy before getting Power Cycler IV? Ty in advance

mystic surge
#

You can make any weapons usable in high difficulty but you will struggle more than with a plasma gun or the colomnus infantry

tiny summit
visual island
#

I prefer the single fire weapons but I'm not against full auto just makes longer ranged kills harder

agile forge
#

I mean if you like full auto the CIAG is a power trip

#

less oppressive than a plasma but honestly not that far off in terms of overall power

tiny summit
#

All the IAGs are good too

agile forge
#

AIAG better for shooting through friendly ogryns RPing as full cover

#

CIAG for the phat deeps

#

GIAG... exists?

#

idk what it does

#

it's the planet from space marine I guess

#

so that's cool?

tiny summit
#

If my ogryn blocks my LOS at least agri penetration got my back

#

I've been playing Smokes/Infil/WS w/ laspistol

mystic surge
#

You can still single shot with full auto

visual island
#

What is the ciag

dire olive
#

Columnus mkV infantry autogun

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the blue one

agile forge
#

Stronger than the Shredder Autopistol ever was at its height

visual island
#

Ah maybe I'll try it

agile forge
#

Easy to build too

#

Just needs Dum Dum to be good

tiny summit
#

And then fatshark hits it with a balance pass

visual island
#

I like the Las guns since if I need to fire it fast I can or just single fire it, which is why I haven't been using the helbore

austere pine
#

brunt selling me unpowered laspistols again...

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tiny summit
austere pine
#

?¿

#

huh

austere pine
tiny summit
austere pine
#

yeah pretty much god roll

#

pity on the blast radius though

tiny summit
#

I took it to orange to be funny

austere pine
#

yeah it's like a family heirloom

dire olive
#

Still proud of my 0% power output Crusher

austere pine
#

?how

dire olive
#

Battery died

#

Idk

#

But yeah 0 is a thing, it's the absolute minimum value on the stat range

woeful ibex
#

Shitpost Gun

lyric dock
#

Brunt: This weapon still shoots. Put it on the market

mystic surge
#

bullet won't go trough butter

woeful ibex
#

I accedentally sold it

mystic surge
#

but a thousand bullet will

lyric dock
mystic surge
#

crit chance on revolver is so good

#

I'd dump all of reload speed for it

lyric dock
#

It always painful you see a gun with the stats you want maxed out....Except the most important stat is 10%

#

Brunt I think this one needs some maintence

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slow spade
#

Stopping power dump stat 😎

mystic surge
#

stopping power is great tho damage tho

#

*great for

slow spade
tiny summit
#

I want a max dmg, 0 stopping power helbore

austere pine
#

how would i play a braced autogun on a veteran?

#

seems like a very zealot weapon since vets don't have the big melees the zealots do to deal with big enemies

slow spade
#

Hip fire and spray

#

Braced autos have insanely high close range dps

#

So fuck up ragers

austere pine
#

would i run it with london shank in that case?

slow spade
#

Slide dodge to gunners

slow spade
#

Because none of them can handle carapace

austere pine
#

london shank for speed and brauto for gun capabilities, probably with speedload so i don't get eaten up by crowds

#

or at least less so

#

i would also assume executioner's stance is a must

tiny summit
#

Have a graia brauto with 25% ammo is like 1000 rounds. Agri brauto let's you shoot through ogryn teammates

#

Just dakka

austere pine
#

i just realized you can spend 30 points without getting your ult on vet

#

and maybe zealot also

slow spade
austere pine
#

that's obscene

tiny summit
#

Exe is like never a must. VoC will serve every build

slow spade
#

Braced auto has the highest potential close range dps

#

Boosting it with exec isn't bad but largely not needed

tiny summit
#

I personally run Exe mostly, VoC is the better skill

gusty bison
#

Cos of 2.7x finesse

slow spade
gusty bison
slow spade
#

Which I assume they want

gusty bison
jaunty sphinx
#

I prefer IAG since I can use it outside of spitting distance

gusty bison
#

I guess if u cant hit heads

#

Its not hard to hit heads up close with IAG hipfire

slow spade
gusty bison
#

But yea brauto is comfy

#

Thats the main thing

#

You dont need optimal to clear auric mael

#

And brauto doesnt require u to aim for heads

tiny summit
#

Agri brauto hipfire so good

austere pine
#

that agri is genuinely better to just hip fire

slow spade
#

Agri brauto is my go to as well

gusty bison
#

Ngl I feel like we need a seperation between good good and easy good

slow spade
#

Mostly because hadron oy gave me agri

gusty bison
#

Cos theres a difference

tiny summit
#

Graia brauto braced giving more fire rate is fun too

austere pine
#

thought i wanted to do heresy today...

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slow spade
#

I mean it pays well

austere pine
#

"no balls"

slow spade
#

Not in plasteel though lol

austere pine
#

need xp for this char

#

lvl 17

gusty bison
#

Cos the list of best guns when some effort is put into them is very different from the list of best guns when minimal effort is put into them

tiny summit
#

Go to damn. Do it. This patch damn is like heresy with the spawns

austere pine
#

178 kek

gusty bison
#

Just do damn

austere pine
#

shit gear

gusty bison
#

Heresy isnt that far below damn

gusty bison
slow spade
#

Damnation normal is easier than high inten heresy

tiny summit
#

Your gear isn't gonna matter

slow spade
#

Due to your teammates

tiny summit
#

Join the damn club

gusty bison
#

You can do damn with a grey recon and a grey shovel

slow spade
#

Granted it will suck ass though lol

gusty bison
#

It actually doesnt suck that much now

#

For regular damn mind you

austere pine
#

yeah thing is, i don't want it to suck ass

gusty bison
#

Not auric

tiny summit
#

Regular damn for your leveling. Base damn is kinda chill

austere pine
#

nah nvm. joined heresy into a match where i was less than 1 wound, 2 people dead, another person same situation as me

tiny summit
#

Lmao

gusty bison
#

Heresy also has worse teammates

austere pine
#

there was a lvl 30

gusty bison
#

Granted damnation teammate quality has slipped since P13

#

Cos of fucking PLASMA

austere pine
gusty bison
#

:P

jaunty sphinx
#

I haven't run into many vets using plasma recently what's the issue w plasma

austere pine
#

kek

#

not on this build

gusty bison
tiny summit
jaunty sphinx
#

Ah.

gusty bison
#

As such people are using it as a crutch to play in higher difficulties

#

While still having poor fundamentals

austere pine
#

i loaded in into a lobby of 3 30s

#

shivers

jaunty sphinx
#

I just don't like it because it's slow LOL