veteran-class

[agile forge]

So are we locking this to being a highlander challenge too then?

would it be better or worse with chosen classes instead of highlander?

[gray finch]

we can try every class so we got every aura

[analog mural]

Wym by Highlander? Everyone same class?

[agile forge]

Opposite

There Can Be Only One

(of each class)

[analog mural]

Ah

Yeah I'm not sure. Vet seems like he would be weakest at lvl1 though

[gray finch]

i'm down for that it seems fun

[agile forge]

Another question would be, do we pick the most realistic maelstrom to actually get a clear on, or the most bullshit one?

(or do we just take whichever is available)

like if we wanna esports this

actually come to think of it, sidegame, how about Orthus Offensive HM too lol

[gray finch]

special spawn + nurgle blessing will be the easiest i think

[echo parcel]

It's probably better if it was standardized, but we still can't pick the missions ourselves so I think we have to take what we get

[gray finch]

but any map

if we gonna try to get it we will spend around 2 h just clearing hords 1 by 1

XD

the other option is monstrum specialist + special spawn

[tame lodge]

Until you get a blessed Plague Ogryn

[gray finch]

60k dmg with 35% ressistenc isnt that of a big deal only 120 brainburst 600 shovle attack and he is dead

[echo parcel]

best is probably vent purge

[gray finch]

mear 1 hours of attacking

[echo parcel]

you can deal with snipers

[gray finch]

oh yea i forgot about this one

the easiest map will be the investigation one

since everythink is close to you already

[tame lodge]

I mean, for eSports, would visibility be a big deal

Since you know, public is watching

[gray finch]

if you started to speedrun the game mid event then yes

[tame lodge]

No, more like, power outage/vent wouldn't be fun to watch

[gray finch]

some opponents still should see you like flamers

oh no i dont think so i guess

[echo parcel]

I mean DWOS series in vermintide was already pretty niche

[gray finch]

we can try that i dont expect to survive 5 minutes

[echo parcel]

Im down, do we have 4 people willing to endure the punishment?

[gray finch]

we can try in other chats

to find 2 more

[echo parcel]

good idea

[analog mural]

I would but I'm at work

[hoary horizon]

Sure but later

[agile forge]

I'm too mid to be up for this

[hoary horizon]

Like 20 mins

[gray finch]

that the spiryt

[agile forge]

I can do Auric maelstrom usually but not at carry level

And I goof a lot

[gray finch]

anyway ulgo you play ogryn i asume ?

[agile forge]

I would watch though lol

[hoary horizon]

Ulgo need losta ammo. Is gunlugger enjoyer

[gray finch]

i can play whatever

[echo parcel]

I might try psyker to start with but probably will swap around as we get a few tries in a see what works and doesnt work

[gray finch]

i will tell you w eplay with lvl 1 characters so idk about the ammo

[gray finch]

ye good idea

[hoary horizon]

Bah if meme then ulgo play zealot

[gray finch]

damn then we need a vet or a ogryn then as wel

[clever niche]

Can Vraks 7 headhunter autogun penetrates friendly ogryn like Agripinaa IAG?

[hoary horizon]

Ulgo could stay ogryn. But get bored. Horde too small

[tame lodge]

Understandable

[echo parcel]

Zealot still gets stun nades lvl 1 right? That seems like it would be invaluable if so

[gray finch]

ogryn got a box that dont blow up

[tame lodge]

The one with ~20 shots? Don't think so

[hoary horizon]

Wait all level 1?

Hmm... mYbe sound funny

[gray finch]

yup on damnation mealstrom

[hoary horizon]

Ulgo not see why not

[gray finch]

i can try work with vet but it will be hell

so we got a vet a psyker* and ogryn

we need to get zealot somehow

[echo parcel]

should we try hosting to see if its possible to get 4 lvl 1s in same auric lobby?

maybe you still need at least one 30

[gray finch]

i mean you got 4 into private lobby with 1 lvl 30 player

the lvl 30 player leave and rejoin with his lvl 1 character

[echo parcel]

I'm just worried it wouldn't let you host if there are ppl below 30 in lobby

I never tried it

[gray finch]

it will create the game im sure

[echo parcel]

I just created a character and you can't even psykhanium until lvl 2 lmao

[lost portal]

It works

[gray finch]

you want to play with us we need a vet or a zealot

its lvl 1 auric mission damnation

[lost portal]

Hell no

[echo parcel]

[gray finch]

we still need 1 more person brave enough to support us in this difficult task of purging hersesy on atoma

[hoary horizon]

Ulgo realise how unfun it sound.

Ulgo says sorry want to enjoy break

[gray finch]

ok

[echo parcel]

losing is fun though

[hoary horizon]

Killing heretic better. If lose then less heretic die

[gray finch]

i can ask telopots and ham but i dont think they will be so optimistic about it

[austere pine]

first time checking melk's offers for today

pray for me so i can get pc4 on this day

[echo parcel]

Ok so I ran a true solo auric, I think its unironically doable

I managed to walk out of spawn and die to first horde

[gray finch]

i mean with true teamwork its doable

[analog mural]

Try not dying

[gray finch]

that the hard part

bcs everthink need to go perfectly

[echo parcel]

The fact I can solo clear the ambient spawns at the start is really promising

[gray finch]

ham just agreed X

[echo parcel]

[gray finch]

you ready ?"

[echo parcel]

yea im down

[gray finch]

he will join

[gray finch]

yo we got ham as a teamate now

[torpid pier]

am i crazy or is this weapon specialist + always prepared insanely good for zarona

u just kill stuff in Melee like Psword and switch to zarona with 100% guarantee for ammo to kill specials and disablers

why the hell i haven't seen this combo with zarona

[analog mural]

Because plasma is just better for vet generally

[torpid pier]

plasma users utilize this always prepared perk?

[tame lodge]

Literally any weapon

[analog mural]

I'm not sure about that I just mean that plasma is just better than revolver atm

[torpid pier]

i see, yea I am not concerned about meta, just more interested in fun builds

[tame lodge]

Good synergy with crucian roulette

[analog mural]

Well sure but you asked why you haven't seen it, I was giving an answer

But yeah I've seen vets perform just fine with this talent + crucian

[torpid pier]

ohhhhh

just read crucian

yea

that is perfect fit

ty

gonna have to try that build next

zarona always annoyed me with the reloading but with this it feels like it turned a weakness into strength with always prepared + crucian

[midnight totem]

It's pretty popular

[stiff glacier]

Speedloader+surgical, +25 vs flak and extra ammo talent and +30 weakspot damage from tree

My zarona

Shame i couldnt get +25 vs something anymore after refining so stuck with -10% reload speed

But it works nicely with speedloader plus tactical reload

[torpid pier]

this is my first version with Crucian Zarona + Psword..... Now the bigger problem of actually finding a freakin power cycler IV to try this build

also I currently ignoring reload speed since I am leaning on always prepared to fill that gap, but will see during a match if that works or not

oh also forgot to switch out exploit weakness for 25 toughness to hit 200 toughness, since Psword doesn't need much brittleness to destroy targets

[torpid pier]

maybe i was too absorbed with my vrak 7 lol, all i noticed were focus target and marksman focus builds

I saw one plasma build that had weapon specialist but didn't get the always prepared perk

but I wouldn't be surprised if it's popular because on paper at least it synergizes very well

[prisma herald]

started playing veteran and i want to ask, are smoke nades viable? never seen anyone use them

[midnight totem]

I personally don't use it because I usually find an opening to reload anyway, and if I don't gave it, that's what stealth and shout is for

[tame lodge]

They are better now

[prisma herald]

might give them a try, i like underrated stuff

[frank ether]

the biggest mistake with class rework was not making grenades a choice thing

I think smoke is viable now

but I don't really use it in builds that I think it would make sense in

[midnight totem]

I still think smoke grenades are a lil weak, but they're better then before

What they should do is highlight enemies inside it

[slow spade]

Smokes should stim allies instead of it imo

[prisma herald]

i just wanna have fun, don't really care about meta, goes for my gunker too haha

[midnight totem]

And if you have grenade tinker, rejuvenate allied toughness inside, but that's just my opinion

[frank ether]

gunker is pretty strong though?

[prisma herald]

thanks for being civilised chaps, last time i asked in psyker chat an argument started happening lmao

[slow spade]

Recon gunker 😎

[midnight totem]

But of course, we're veterans

[frank ether]

Would still work despite recon

[midnight totem]

Professionals

[slow spade]

You should have seen yesterday when there was a 2 hour argument about recons

[prisma herald]

yeah, but apparently i was not supposed to use it with the brain rupture 🤷

[midnight totem]

Psykers are crazy Warp touched people

[tame lodge]

Gunners and reapers would just hold the trigger and the snipers would still shoot you before the recent patch

[frank ether]

you're supposed to run it with scriers gaze yes

the right build path gives you non stop free crits

man I wish exe was good

[midnight totem]

It's alright

[slow spade]

The exe nerf from patch 13 hurt 😔

25% damage turned into 25% weakspot damage

[frank ether]

I just want them to at least remove the weapon swap lock

[midnight totem]

It can be better but its not absolutely weak by any means

[toxic leaf]

thats not a nerf, thats an exterminatus

[slow spade]

No that's objectively a nerf

[frank ether]

its pretty garbage for an ultimate

[slow spade]

Weakspot damage is far weaker than flat damage

[frank ether]

at best you kill gunners with a few less shots with certain few weapons

at worst you have a glorified weapon swap key

[slow spade]

At +50% damage it actually mattered

Now its weaker than some normal buffs

[toxic leaf]

lol i was making a joke, an exterminatus is complete destruction of the planet

[slow spade]

Some people actually don't know the difference

So its best to be sure

[frank ether]

now you no longer need exe to make guns work at least

[slow spade]

True

[frank ether]

so you don't even have to have it

[arctic rampart]

Power sword -- mk3 better than mk6 now?

[slow spade]

No

[frank ether]

It I guess doesn't matter for average veteran main that doesn't know how to melee lmao

[slow spade]

I like its moveset more but mk3 has weaker stats

[slow spade]

True

[torpid pier]

kinda thankful my first main was a zealot

[frank ether]

mfs shooting hordes with their guns in malice wouldn't need to weapon swap anyways

[arctic rampart]

Weapon specialist 4 life

[frank ether]

like even marksman focus

the keystone that I despise

you can kinda make it work fine on a voc setup

[arctic rampart]

You don't need a keystone TBF. Just voice of command

[slow spade]

"On weakspot kill" aka when the weapon no longer needs the buff UwU

[frank ether]

that only works because mid tree has so man nodes around voc that are build neutral

cooldown reduction, rending, grenade talents etc etc

[toxic leaf]

yea mid and left have so many build neutral points vs right

[slow spade]

Yeah you could put all points on middle and make a better build than most pug vets

[frank ether]

so much stuff that work regardless of your build focus

[umbral scaffold]

Tbf the buffs to melee on right side are severely slept on

[frank ether]

this also extends to the mid keystone

[umbral scaffold]

Doesnt make you a zealot but it doesnt need to

[frank ether]

honestly its kinda toxic for the game in a way

you mark a boss and you just trivialize that boss fight for example

that encounter is now easy mode

[slow spade]

I like that the buffs stack too (not ping itself)

[arctic rampart]

I'm really good at tagging, but I can't get away from the right tree. Probably cause power sword 40k life

[slow spade]

Casual +24% damage team wide

[frank ether]

and you look at something like onslaught

remember when onslaught was op

and there was another rending node that stacked with it too

P13 rending was disgusting

[slow spade]

Top right node, its now melee crits only 😔

[frank ether]

Its just bad design

you're not supposed to handle any armor weight with any weapon

like it takes away from weapons that are supposed to excel at it

so its a good thing all the rending stuff got nerfed to oblivion

[tame lodge]

I've been messing with them for a while, feel free to ping me for advice, although they are pretty simple to use

[slow spade]

Need rending for everything 😎

I want to be able to stack rending for damage 💪

[sonic marlin]

is this true? I haven't played for a while https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGFr6wRKhmo&ab_channel=telopots

[analog mural]

Yep, all true

[frank ether]

yep

[prisma herald]

alright, will remember that

i think that the psykers did something to me lads...

[torpid pier]

duude i was wondering why I played an insanely easy auric maelstrom, it seems like a bug with spawning

that makes sense now

i thought ai director was happy that day

though he said that the map spawned no enemies, that auric maelstrom map spawned a heresy/easy damnation amount of mobs

[tame lodge]

Look at the bright side, lots of room to test the sprint efficiency build with 10+ stamina

[tiny summit]

Smokes are better now. All ranged enemies basically stop firing. So if say a reaper is shooting at you and you drop a smoke, they just stand there idle. If the entire team is in the smoke cloud, dogs will basically run around confused. Haven't tested on bomber or flamer behavior but it essentially makes it you only need to worry about the melee enemies in the cloud for the duration

[tame lodge]

Bombers still a problem

[tiny summit]

Still pro football aim when in cloud?

[stiff glacier]

Snipers also slam dunk you through smoke

[tiny summit]

They stop firing into smoke now

All ranged

[stiff glacier]

Oh ok

[tame lodge]

Which is a big yes

[stiff glacier]

Smoke is finally at least useable it seems

[tiny summit]

It is basically a big psyker wall

But instead of blocking bullets, enemies lose object permanence

"Where loyalist go?"

[stiff glacier]

Finally a way to stop 4 reapers when dealing with something more urgent

[tiny summit]

Oh yea, I dropped smokes down in a hallway and the 2 reapers down the hall just patiently waited as we dealt with the horde running past them

[terse idol]

https://tenor.com/view/pulp-fiction-confused-travolta-where-lost-gif-5308454

[tiny summit]

You see people complain about smokes and it blocking their vision but you can still tag whatever through them. So the most they can't see are riflemen and bruisers

[torpid pier]

does the smoke grenade affect melee units like crushers/maulers/ragers,etc?

[tiny summit]

"Reaper did good ya? See no more loyals"

[tiny summit]

No

[torpid pier]

awww

[stiff glacier]

Throwing vape dispenser on downed teammate

[tiny summit]

It's basically still a mosh pit. A vaped up most pit

[stiff glacier]

"Mm mango"

[tiny summit]

Had a shield ogryn go "reee don't use smokes" when someone got downed and there's about 3 streams of scab gunner fire going on

[stiff glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/tom-scott-vaping-smoking-coughing-nazarino-gif-20386028

Huh

Deja vu

[tiny summit]

Holy shit

[hoary horizon]

Bad for health. Lil uns lung fragile

No vape

[hoary horizon]

OH smoke grenade

Very usefull!

[stiff glacier]

Oh yea 20% chance to throw 2 smokes

[tiny summit]

Yea...lmao

[tame lodge]

"Stop throwing smokes" as we had the vent modifier

[tiny summit]

I heard you needed a vent purge with the vent purge

[stiff glacier]

I literally cant play vent purge without my pc dying

[torpid pier]

damn i feel you there ,before i upgraded to my current PC i used to play on a 1060 laptop plugged to a TV screen and it was horrible

[tame lodge]

I need to test the THEORY that melee units would not use their "running attacks"

[torpid pier]

by the end of the laptop life span I couldn't play darktide even at the lowest settings

[tame lodge]

Also, smoke grenades have stagger

[torpid pier]

i am currently chilling in the meat grinder and testing smoke grenade, can't notice a difference with melee units

[tiny summit]

Had a 970m laptop for work trips. 3 whole whopping GB of vram. Dropped it when Elden Ring came out because it could only go to a max of like 40fps even at 720p

[torpid pier]

I feel like smoke grenade needs to be buffed to do more, like regen toughness or when it first appears every mob drops aggro for few seconds. I mean shredder already aoe staggers so it shouldn't be that op

[torpid pier]

the good part though is u experienced the bad and when upgrading u gonna appreciate the upgrade soo much more

first few days on my current PC i had sparkles in my eyes with how different it was lol

like darktide was completely different game with the new graphics

also the much better fps

[tiny summit]

That laptop served me well since 2014. It was good for playing through my backlog on job trips. But I really wanted to play Elden Ring and so yea I needed a new one. Laptop I bought is all amd with 6800m/5980hx

Can't really play Darktide on job trips. Hotel wifi too spotty for it to be an enjoyable experience

[stiff glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/laptop-laptop-user-portable-gaming-laptop-be-like-gif-27191601

[slow spade]

Join heresy matches so that way its just the average heresy player

[tiny summit]

If I'm spending the time in a darktide match and it's not even damn worth of dockets/mats Imma just play may gachas or backlog

[slow spade]

From Darktide to Stardew 💪

[frank ether]

that a pretty beefy setup for a laptop

I went full amd on desktop side of stuff

[tiny summit]

It was $1800 after taxes. Used hotel points to take off like $600

[tame lodge]

Really? This patch gave it the power it needed, stops gunners, reapers and snipers

[frank ether]

sheesh no wonder at that price

I got a used 6800XT I snagged for like 200$ something and a 5800X3D

[frank ether]

actually considering its a laptop its probably a pretty good deal

buying anything remotely good on laptops costs an arm and a leg

[torpid pier]

i guess maybe since I am on Vrak 7 I never struggled with ranged units. Maybe smoke can shine with different build than mine

prob was thinking about how useful Smoke grenade can be with my current build

[tiny summit]

I used this channel to guide my laptop buying https://youtube.com/@JarrodsTech?si=_HaZM9dFJEGBvOdJ

[tame lodge]

I see, but just to be clear

Gunners and reapers would just lose track of your

They would keep shooting

[tiny summit]

Seems like any good laptop deal price:performance needs to either be a year old or it's lacking in some default spot like ssd or ram

[tame lodge]

And snipers had some thermal vision going or something

[civic knot]

What are the BiS perks for breakpoints for helbore guns?

[stiff glacier]

Smoke is intended for the melee veterans who run stuff like shotties and braced autoguns rather than the executioner stance sniper vet

[torpid pier]

yea i heard that snipers used to hit u while using smoke grenade, it really was useless

[tame lodge]

But executioner has good tech going

[torpid pier]

yea that seems to be the case, I would be kinda interested to try close ranged weapon that actually makes up for not having a long range

[tame lodge]

Throw the smoke at the enemy

They will leave their cover

Highlight and shoot

[torpid pier]

ohhh that is interesting combo

ty for letting me know about that

didn't know they leave their cover

[stiff glacier]

Eh. I rather hold on to frags or kraks on executioner stance, although the potential is there

I just hate trying to fit frags into stealth veteran kit

[tame lodge]

I get it, Krak supremacy

[stiff glacier]

Prevents me from reaching the keystone if i try to get nade upgrades

[torpid pier]

I am down to try weird stuff, I am at the point of wanting to keep the game fresh for myself by trying strange combos that are not frequently used

[stiff glacier]

Lawbringer/autopistol with executioner stance

[torpid pier]

haven't tried the stealth vet playstyle yet

[stiff glacier]

My favourite meme

I definately prefer the stealth vet

[torpid pier]

ohh that sounds interesting

[stiff glacier]

Shotgun with skills from the left side of the tree and stamce is suprisinglt good at offing gunners and some specials

Its just the dance of balancing that with the survivability and reload

From my experience with stance, 30%weakpoint buff talent and vs flak 25 i can quite reliably onetap scab gunners

[coral bloom]

Is this with slugs or pellets?

[torpid pier]

what blessings on the lawbringer?

[stiff glacier]

Lawbringer pellets

Not sure on blessings, i think i got deathspitter and full bore

[torpid pier]

gotcha

[stiff glacier]

Im not most knowledgable on the good blessing choices

I just had those

My build also had the tactical reload and the left side's reload buff on elite kill

So as long as i dont mag dump reloads arent as straining

[torpid pier]

i see, appreciate the build suggestion.

been looking for close range vet playstyle and that seems cool to try

[tiny summit]

Smokes, move speed aura, infil, ws and mk10 laspistol is fun. Need a new one with better stability though. Don't like the kick this sub 50% stability has

Less kick, more just annoying wobble

[stiff glacier]

Definately suggest testing to get some durability there with iron will or something else

[tame lodge]

Here's the thing, it's fine to throw at your feet, at the enemy's line of sight or at the enemy taking cover, they will try to get a better LoS, just keep that in mind and you'll see the possibilities

[tiny summit]

Feels good to get WS stacks off killing horde, swap to mk 10 laspistol and it kills the trapper or bomber in like 1-2 shots

[torpid pier]

already testing in the meat grinder haha

I live in the meat grinder at this point

i feel like I am more in the meat grinder than in actual matches

[stiff glacier]

Yeah im not entirely satisfied with my build as it sometimes feels like im made of glass

But suppose sacrificing stronger nades is better for it

[tame lodge]

Oh, you can try the infinite stamina build

[torpid pier]

that sounds fun as well, ty for the suggestion

I have personal discord and i created 40k channel where i save potential builds I wanna try

it's piling up which is exciting that i have 400 hours on this game and still feel like i want to try more stuff

[frank ether]

If all you worry about is ranged damage you can just run gunner resist on curio

[torpid pier]

in a legit way or utilizing a bug?

[tame lodge]

I was definitely thinking that we are just throwing builds at you lol

[torpid pier]

nah i save them all and whenever i get in the mood to try a specific playstyle i pull it out from that channel and give it a try

keeps the game fresh

[tiny summit]

This is what I'm running right now with laspistol and a melee like ps6 or shovel. Would run rashad...but that's gonna be a while

[agile forge]

could happen on your next Brunt visit

[torpid pier]

also with the loadout config mod and the meat grinder it's super easy to try different builds before commiting to something

[agile forge]

believe in the emperor

[tiny summit]

Hadron has bricked 4 370 rashads this week

[tame lodge]

Legit, the duck and dive passive plus stripped down blessing

[torpid pier]

ty

[bitter turtle]

Why fire team

You could take ms aura and get elite dmg

[tiny summit]

Because I wanted it

[bitter turtle]

And demo team for some nade regen

[tame lodge]

It's on the right side of the tree

[bitter turtle]

You don't need stripped down tbh

You already get sprinting bullet immunity if you just angle ur camera away

[torpid pier]

ooh that seems pretty damn cool combo as well, never really paid attention to duck and dive

[bitter turtle]

this is why i find stripped down kinda meh tbh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RS1xybCT1_g

u can do the sam ething without the blessing if u angle camera away

the sprinting bullet immunity is camera-based

not run-angle based

[tiny summit]

There. Happy!? Fr though this is probably what I actually have on the loadout in game. I just threw that screenshot together while I'm at work.

[bitter turtle]

so all stripped down enables is spritn dodging while directly facing gunfire w/ camera

[torpid pier]

that is actually pretty damn cool for close range weapons, it feels like the perk from zealot talent tree

[bitter turtle]

😔 it was just suggestion

[frank ether]

I still feel like vet's side ults having 4 nodes is insane

[tiny summit]

It is

[frank ether]

this build feel very solid with two or even one point extra

[bitter turtle]

that's how i feel

on every infiltrate build

"if only i had 1 or 2 more points so i could take deadshot" or w/e

[tiny summit]

Threat detection on the stealth ult...feels like it's been cut out of the ability for talent taxing

It's the stealth ult...

[frank ether]

yeah

[bitter turtle]

the zealot perk is just that u can do it with 0 stamina

normally once you run out of stam the effect turns off

stripped down also has a 50% stam limit on activation which makes it even more mediocre imo

just get used to angling camera away from gunners you're running at

its hilarious this is how the mechanic works tbh

literally "ur bullets dont exist if i dont see them"

[tame lodge]

I get it, but I noticed that stripped down also dodges bullets shot from your teammates

[tiny summit]

"Could max stamina build deadshot exe mf recon be secretly busted!?!?! 😂😂😂" Am I thinking like a Darktide youtuber yet?

[torpid pier]

i am more interested in the duck and dive, never really paid attention to that perk and 30% stamina regen is huge even with my vrak build with deadshot

[bitter turtle]

i wouldnt use a blessing slot on maybe potentially not bodyblocking your teammates when you're not ogryn sized

[frank ether]

I mean saying recon sucks gets tanner to insult you on youtube so going the opposite direction should surely work

[torpid pier]

def gonna experiment with that in the future

[bitter turtle]

duck and dive is pretty good though yes

it works with ghost as well

nice for laspistol builds

[torpid pier]

ty for bringing it to my attention higui7ah

[bitter turtle]

🦆 and 🤿

[coral bloom]

Just remember, gunners only ever shoot at you from one angle. So stripped down never gives you the option to move in a way you otherwise couldnt and is 100% a dead blessing.

Am I doing this right?

[bitter turtle]

its not 100% dead but i just found myself rarely using it over the normal sprint dodge

if its only useful when you overextended into being surrounded 360 by gunners

well

[tiny summit]

Deadshot recon maxing

Imma run this and cry

[idle swallow]

You definitely made a choice with that build

[coral bloom]

+9 stam trinkets? 😄

[frank ether]

thats so awful lmao

[tiny summit]

As if there was another option!?

[bitter turtle]

at least drop cqkz for tac awareness 😔

[tame lodge]

I mean, I have a Graia IV with stripped down and hit and run, my play style is literally running at them, shooting from point blank and if I mess it up, just go invisible and reposition

[bitter turtle]

unless you're gonna god gamer it and 100% exec uptime

[coral bloom]

Memes aside I could see a good player making good use of that. I need my toughness crutch so its out though.

[tiny summit]

I can make it worse.

[stiff glacier]

Vet players doing anythig but picking determined

[bitter turtle]

yamero

[frank ether]

make it stop

[tame lodge]

Couldn't be me

[tame lodge]

Also, running in a straight line towards a sniper is hilarious

[tiny summit]

Play like 20 games. Get 1 game where I am the highest dmg, post on reddit, enjoy the next few weeks of people trying to follow

[coral bloom]

Oh btw, does ranged immunity affect burgle puke or nets?

[frank ether]

I mean I did do it with braced auto before

similarly dogshit build

[bitter turtle]

no and no

[tiny summit]

But brautos aren't like...recon bad

[frank ether]

the thing about ranged damage is no matter how stink your build is

as long as you have enough ammo

and your team keeps creep away from your face

[stiff glacier]

If its columnus brauto its yikes

[bitter turtle]

i would think

everyone has been hit by a point blank trapper

despite pressing dodge/slide/whatever at some point

[stiff glacier]

If its agripina brauto its based

[frank ether]

I did that too

graia brauto aswell

horrible guns

[stiff glacier]

Cant re.ember the all damn patterns

[frank ether]

but you get 1000 bullets

pick up a small tin, 200 rounds restored lmao

[tiny summit]

"Hi team I brought Exe WS graia brauto w/o survivalist"

[stiff glacier]

Kantarel shotgun is the most insufferable gun to use just by its ammo economy

[frank ether]

funny thing is

exe is actually good for brautos

[tiny summit]

Shotgun ammo economy is weird

[frank ether]

your average brauto player already shoots at everything

[stiff glacier]

Agripina and lawbringer manage well enough

[frank ether]

so they won't feel the downside of not being able to weapon swap

since they already shoot hordes

[stiff glacier]

But kantarel is just so fucking bad

[forest scaffold]

no its not

quit shooting everything

[frank ether]

the problem with exec is it doesn't work with how this game is meant to be played

[forest scaffold]

and only shoot specialists and elites

[frank ether]

Its also the reason why weapon spec is so good

[forest scaffold]

target prioritization

[frank ether]

rewarded for doing what you should do

[forest scaffold]

you're immune to ranged fire now anyway because yay bugs

just run at the stupid ass ranged adds

you don't need to shoot them anymore

[stiff glacier]

I want to shoot

Even when saving for elites the issue crops up

I just rather bring lawbringer or agripina

[frank ether]

ya man invest 22 points down left tree, have your ult cancel itself if you weapon swap, but also don't shoot your gun

[tiny summit]

So how much toughness could I theoretically restore to the team with Born Leader, ET, OfB, Inspiring Presence and MF Tunnel Vision braced mag dumping a pox horde?

[bitter turtle]

inspiring presence only affects regen

but to answer your question

[tiny summit]

Definitely a choice fatshark made to not let Exe swap weapons.

[forest scaffold]

but they gave it to ogryn

Granted, ogryn doesn't have bolter

[frank ether]

Its just funny whenever someone rages about goobers magdumping hordes when fatshark subconsciously promotes this behavior in veterans

[forest scaffold]

but its still pretty weird nonetheless

[tiny summit]

Is it another instance of bad localization? Or bad implementation?

[bitter turtle]

3% toughness per kill

[bitter turtle]

believe me

i tested it

when number cat man was making his guide

it only works for regen

as for why the tooltip is wrong

🤷‍♀️

[tiny summit]

So does Catch A Breath and it work together?

Still 10% bonus on top of 15% of what you restored to yourself is just piss numbers

[bitter turtle]

no idea on that

[wanton dawn]

I play max suppression with my bolter. Its uh, noticiable

[frank ether]

you kill one gunner and the entire room is suppressed for 5 seconds

[wanton dawn]

That

[bitter turtle]

that sounds anonying to test

[frank ether]

and then someone on reddit goes on about how bolter is bad

like, what

[coral bloom]

When hamdol told me limbsplitter doesnt reset until I stop meleeing 😦

Tank jooo fatshark tooltips

[wanton dawn]

Bolter is real strong but dps is lowish cuz it is "bad" against trash

But it absolutely destroy ranged elite and special

[frank ether]

I think its just exec being bad really

the gun rocks on a voc build

[wanton dawn]

It is fine with exe

[tame lodge]

[frank ether]

I don't think the gun is bad either way

exec doesnt reload your gun anymore though

[wanton dawn]

Bolter problem are mostly animation jank

[frank ether]

so you gotta build in a specific way to even keep exec up at all

reload speed is a must

[coral bloom]

I ran bolter with exe and weapons spec reload. Make it a bit less clunk to pick off occasional specialists without feeling the urge to reload.
Seems more like the excellent "oh shit" gun though and not as shiny when all is going well. Then its great once shit hits the fan, in some ways.

[wanton dawn]

I play with deadshot

[frank ether]

yes ADS animations are jank on it

[wanton dawn]

And focus target

[frank ether]

and it has a funny interaction with deadshot

[tiny summit]

Ya know for as dogshit as this looks...I may seriously try it with mk2 laspistol

[frank ether]

thats like the one thing really shit about bolter is the misalignment in ironsights

which you can ''fix'' with a crosshair mod

[bitter turtle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tv3wXIrYUxM

[tiny summit]

The feeling when Exe swap doesnt proc WS reload

[bitter turtle]

proof if you wanted it

[wanton dawn]

Yeah, i have a dot crosshair. Its enough

[frank ether]

A year into the game and that jank still being there is unacceptable tbh

like I deal with it fine

but probably plays a large role into casuals thinking the gun is shit

because they are too used to weapons that literally aim for them

and then there is bolter which literally lies to you about where your bullets will go

[bitter turtle]

idk i it affects catch a breath

[wanton dawn]

Still, bolter does put butterfly in mah tummy

[bitter turtle]

since catch a breath is continuous regen

that sounds annoying to test

gotta stopwatch it

not doing that

[frank ether]

Its too fun

I'm like one exec buff away from running glass cannon bolter vet all day

[wanton dawn]

I have a glass cannon bolter build

[frank ether]

I wonder if the exec weapon swap preventetion is there because it keeps giving you the instant weapon swap

so like a code reason

because from gameplay perspective its such a dumb restriction

[tiny summit]

Thanks Fatshark for ass talents. Why does it even exist!?

Think it's bugged and they haven't noticed?

[bitter turtle]

competing with iron will and demo team no less

[tiny summit]

Like when ET did the opposite of what it says and the revive speed didn't work?

[frank ether]

oh yeah

fun times

took them how long to fix ET?

which was like a single - to + change

[wanton dawn]

Nobody noticed

[frank ether]

average vet playtester moment

[tiny summit]

Because who the fuck chooses +10% toughness replenish over the other 2

[wanton dawn]

Thats cuz those talent are crappy to begin with

[tiny summit]

I only considered it for gimmicky toughness maxing

[wanton dawn]

You dont put them on minmax build

And funwise they are eh

[coral bloom]

Path of exile moment. Guess fatshark could separate "toughness replenishment" and "toughness recovery"

[wanton dawn]

For a meta example of talent being useless > determination

How many ppl pick it with wrong gun ?

[frank ether]

determined?

I forget that even exists

[wanton dawn]

Suppression immunity

[frank ether]

yes its so irrelevant for most guns that I forget its even there

[tiny summit]

Really only relevant on iLas because they are shit weapons if you don't hit the heads

[frank ether]

even then not really

[wanton dawn]

Yet its a very popular talent

[frank ether]

I imagine its because average player of this game isn't all that good at FPS games

take 2 years to line up shots

[wanton dawn]

Just look at random ppl build

[tiny summit]

True, I still run w/o it and can still hit heads. More of an annoyance when I don't have it

[frank ether]

you suffer from suppression only as long as you expose yourself to gunners

I think exec also gives you immunity

I don't run that anymore though

[tiny summit]

People think helbores are bad because they demand a headshot. The average players kinda have so so aim.

It does

[wanton dawn]

I think ranged hellbore is meh

[coral bloom]

I really like suppression immunity, since I dont run exe. 1 point wonder. And shooting back at gunners shooting the team seems to be the kinda situation you would wanna shoot them xD

[tiny summit]

But you do have moments when you either don't have Exe available or you don't want to pop it at that moment because it's like a gunner

[crude fiber]

Yall are some god gamers I guess cause suppression be fucking up my aim real bad

[bitter turtle]

i think hb is meh bc i can play the same gun without needing to charge @ v7

[frank ether]

any weapon on vet demands headshot realistically

[wanton dawn]

My point is that it is useless, as not doing anything, on several guns

[frank ether]

pretty much your entire left talent line is about ranged finesse

[bitter turtle]

main appeal is the poitny stick

which they nerfed

again

[tiny summit]

"Realistically" but iLas fire rate vs say...autogun fire rate

[frank ether]

if you're gonna magdump an autogun or worse use braced you should probably play a zealot

its just the better class to do that on

the armor downgrade on FotF is nuts

[bitter turtle]

easier to chastise on zealot than run onslaught on vet tree

[frank ether]

you get silly buffs for dodging with your gun out

[wanton dawn]

I dont like onslaugh

[frank ether]

onslaught is only ever relevant for like two guns

and even on those two guns its still meh

[bitter turtle]

yeah

but my point is

[wanton dawn]

It has a shit place in the tree

[bitter turtle]

u can kill crushers in like 2 sec with zealot chastise + iag

you need to invest 4 pts to do that on vet

[frank ether]

the follow up is weak too

like skirmisher is dogshit

when in the alternate path you got desperado+trench fighter

[bitter turtle]

you can still path trench fighter

with onslaught

u just lose desperado

[frank ether]

those two can singlehandedly push certain melee weapons from bad to good

[crude fiber]

Onslaught is good for any full auto weapons if you insist on shooting crushers. Otherwise it's pretty mid

[wanton dawn]

Skirmisher is impossible to use

[coral bloom]

What weapons are these? Columnus, plasma?

[bitter turtle]

helbore and plasma have innate suppression immunity

[frank ether]

meanwhile onslaught+skirmisher is just two talents wasted on majority of the guns and one talent wasted on ALL of the guns

[bitter turtle]

so determined

[wanton dawn]

Plasma, hellbore, agri brauto.

[bitter turtle]

quite literally does nothing

[tiny summit]

Laspistols

[bitter turtle]

i mean i dont think anyone paths onto skirmisher regardless

even if you go deep in right while taking onslaught

[coral bloom]

Fair. Also psyker staffs seem unaffected by suppression. Fairly large boon for void staff that.

[crude fiber]

Helbor has suppression immunity? I didn't know. Any other ADS guns have that?

[frank ether]

yes and thats bad

[bitter turtle]

you just path across ths 25 toughness node into rtrenchfighter into wep special

[frank ether]

thats an issue

it just kills a path

[bitter turtle]

it doesnt affect onslaught though

[wanton dawn]

Skirmisher need double duration

[bitter turtle]

iskirmisher needs to work on knife heavies

[frank ether]

If I want to reach weapon spec I'm ALWAYS going to go with desperado path

and never go with onslaught path

[wanton dawn]

That because desperado is never bad

[bitter turtle]

rather

i agree with you on that, that i usually go desperado

but i feel like its because onslaught naturally does not work well with right path-leaning guns

[frank ether]

skirmisher should just be some generic ranged damage node

[bitter turtle]

they are single shots

rarely automatics

which is bad synergy with onslaught

but the keystone prefers semi autos

so its a design clash

like if you pretend onslaught was competing with fully loaded on left tree

i think it would be pretty god tier

ngl

since you dont have to path halfway into a tree built for melee weapons and semi autos

for a talent that benefits largely only automatics

[frank ether]

anyway

It is time

for some slopdivers

malevelon creek needs me

[tiny summit]

I love how they made this the node that follow right after you get the "the warp reloads your gun on swap"

[slow spade]

Good luck helldiver UwU

[tiny summit]

Make a node that reloads your gun with melee kills. Thanks for the partial reload into 5s of reload speed when I mag dump the partial reload

[bitter turtle]

its good for shotguns

[frank ether]

I'm on the bot front TwT

[slow spade]

Same actually but shhhhh

[tiny summit]

But there's also tactical reload!?

[bitter turtle]

stack both

shove those shells in even fasta

[tame lodge]

Yup yup

[tiny summit]

What does that reload speed even look like with Tactical Reload, Elite kill reload, and WS reload?

[bitter turtle]

elite kill consumes the proc on the first special shell so i prob wouldnt run it

havent tried it though

[tame lodge]

It also consumes sainted gunslinger (zealot)

[bitter turtle]

Yeah tac reload is always on basically and the keystone works for at least a good 3 or 4 special shells

Elite is like

Only good if you do the normal reload

If you special shell you get exactly 1 (one) boosted

[tame lodge]

Or you know, Zarona

[bitter turtle]

I meant for shotguns

Tac is definitely not always on for other guns

Though there is good synergy with the free reload on keystone if you swap to your empty gun, get 1 bullet back to activate tac

[tame lodge]

I mean

Personally

With a shotgun, I'm not really swapping to melee

But now I'm curious

I'll probably run weapon specialist with a shotgun later

[tiny summit]

Can't believe Fatshark made a game where I actually don't just love the act of using the shotgun

[sharp epoch]

shotgun on darktide is so unsatisfying to use cause it seems weak

[tame lodge]

I disagree

But you know, my experience is not your experience

[stiff glacier]

It feels wrong to blast shotgun into a grunt point plank and him surviving

[sharp epoch]

yeah when it doesnt kill trash mobs in one shot its like why use this

[winged warren]

Can I just run three 3x stamina curio
And then for perks I run 3x CDR and 3x gunner resist

[tiny summit]

You can. I wouldn't recommend. But you can

[slow spade]

3 stam curios all sprint reduct and stam regen

[winged warren]

Without shoutspam, -6 cd on elite/spec kill its prob up all the time so no need for toughness.
So either hp and stam, and atam seems much more fun to play

[slow spade]

Simply outrun nurgle

[winged warren]

With shoutspam*

[sharp epoch]

isnt there a bug right now with shout where your immune to bullets

[tame lodge]

Seems like it

[slow spade]

Intended gameplay*

[lost portal]

I NOW HAVE VIDEO PROOF OF DAEMONS AGGROING THROUGH FLOORS

[slow spade]

Not a bug 😎

[sharp epoch]

3 stam curios can work then

[tiny summit]

Rejects just built different

Being shot? Just say no

[tame lodge]

Uh, this patch fixed the shouts aggroing dh

[winged warren]

Would that actually make your stam infinite?

[tame lodge]

Uh...

[sharp epoch]

I'm guessing zealot can make the whole team immune to bullets too

[slow spade]

No

[winged warren]

I daw some build where actually infinite sprint

[slow spade]

Depends on a lot of stuff but essentially no

[sharp epoch]

thats with the dodging and getting back stamina talent

• run and gun

[winged warren]

Nah not thatcone

[slow spade]

Duck and Dive can keep it effectively infinite though

[winged warren]

Someone showed it before infinite sprint stam in pak

Duck and dive + run ans gun I know

[frank ether]

I figured out how to do defend vs automatons

[slow spade]

Shooting them 😎

[frank ether]

you just abuse stealth armor

and have 3 people stand outside

[frank basin]

Are you doing malevelon creek?

[slow spade]

Its not spam eagles and arty?

[slow spade]

It already fell

[frank basin]

Damn

[slow spade]

We lost Malevelon and Cadia 😔

[frank basin]

Goddamn

https://tenor.com/view/terminator-terminator-robot-looking-flex-cool-robot-gif-978532213316794273

[slow spade]

Need more eagles

[lost portal]

THATS NOT WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT

They where walking above it and it aggroed

It happened twice in the same mission

[heavy rover]

Both planets fell before the guard did

[tame lodge]

Now, that's odd

[forest scaffold]

God I wish Starship Troopers Extermination had been good

Instead, it was aggressively mediocre, remains there to this day, and that's more upsetting than abject failure.

[frank basin]

I’m going check their news

They dropped the medic diary*

[terse idol]

Forever early access

It might be good!

In another year

[civic knot]

What are the BiS perks for the different helbore guns?

[slow spade]

At this point, I've just been playing DoW1 with mods to get my anti-bug hate 😔

[frank ether]

its not just mediocre its just straight up bad

[coral bloom]

Used to do 3v3 LAN DoW1. Nostalgia points.

[slow spade]

Unification War for me now

In vanilla, spam Heavy Weapon Teams

Also never do 1v1s UwU

[coral bloom]

Friend of mine played dow1 recently with some mods. Curios to try. Wonder if it still works on W10 pc. Also do not own it digitally oof

[slow spade]

Oh rip

Works for me on W10

Though it crashes because I insist on 4v4 with increased pop caps

Dominus-class knight vs orks 😩

[coral bloom]

Team pocket position. Brain afk free sluggah spam.
Huehuehueue.

[slow spade]

Me with the teleporting heavy weapon teams as IG

[coral bloom]

I remember IG being pick either:

1. instantly delete enemy
2. instantly get deleted
   xD

[slow spade]

Indeed

I never did 1v1s for a reason :p

[tiny summit]

Random share. Holy fuck I wasn't expecting her box to be this big

[earnest lodge]

Sweet

[prisma herald]

liking the veteran the most so far

only a gun and a shovel with some 'nades

although, I haven't tried the zealot so far

[tame lodge]

They share some game mechanics but zealot does zealot things

[slow spade]

That's all you need to stand up to the Warp

[prisma herald]

zealot has the cool flamer

but i gotta avenge Cadia

also, anybody got a shotgun build that i could try?

more like, where should i head in the talent tree?

[serene bough]

I guess if youre gonna go shotgun you may as well go down the middle

i dont think shotguns are very good currently though

[prisma herald]

i just wanna have fun and feel like a badass

[tiny summit]

Can't go wrong with Surv/VoC. Probably want WS to reload shells from melee kills and extra crit chance on swap. Been using infil more.

[prisma herald]

[serene bough]

i used shotguns + VoC for the twins fight

since it does stagger ragers and mauelrs

[slow spade]

Kantreal shotgun staggers crushers too funnily enough

[tame lodge]

Yes, but there's also a list of things that they can do

The best way to describe it

Is that zealot does zealot things

Which is funny because I joined the server today, checked their channel and they are doing their thing

[crude fiber]

That's all they ever do

I almost never see them talking about the game in there lol

[tame lodge]

Very in character

[tall torrent]

Check pinned messages for veteran talent breakdown

[prisma herald]

aaah, okay

i open the zealot chat and the first thing i see is a gif with feet

[brisk sapphire]

blame capcom

for giving us juri

[crude fiber]

Nah I'll blame weirdos for liking feet enough for it to enter main stream media

[tame lodge]

Yeah but like SF has extra fan service

[crude fiber]

Are you still referring to feet or the jiggle physics

[slow spade]

my conspiracy theory of the day is the fact the US uses feet for measurement wasn't for "scientific" reasons

[bitter turtle]

I would do agri weapon specialist

It's just revolver with extra steps

But revolver with extra steps is still strong

[bitter turtle]

Ingrid return to SF when 😔

I will play SF again if they add her

[tiny summit]

Also since every character's tutorials are written like they are from the character themselves, this is what you read

Add Vega successor. But instead of making a hot lady like Fang to Aki. Instead make them hella androgynous.

[tiny summit]

Most tame zealot hours

[brisk sapphire]

wait does juri have a tipper mechanic with her toes like Marth does with his sword lmao

[tiny summit]

No

[brisk sapphire]

guess its just funny wording

[tiny summit]

It's just a tutorial to tell you her kicks are her pokes

[brisk sapphire]

havent really played juri admittedly

[tiny summit]

Official Capcom account

[brisk sapphire]

mostly play jamie and blanky kong in 6

manon has weird anatomy

something wrong with her legs, something genetic

[terse idol]

Quintin Tarantino controls everything confirmed

[bitter turtle]

It's spacing

Footsies

Juri kicks have good range so it's telling you to outspace ppl with her range

Naturally you'd aim to hit with the edge of your attacks

[tame lodge]

Why simp for them when Gief is right there

[brisk sapphire]

gotta read habits with gief and im often too zooted for that

like hard read

[bitter turtle]

Wdym

[brisk sapphire]

he slow

[tiny summit]

Winner of Capcom Cup ($1mil prize) won it unsponsonred and was wearing a hololive hoodie. Invited to Redbull SF6 tournament after win. Declines because it overlaps with his birthday and holofest

[bitter turtle]

Just use spd and say it's a hard read when you guess correct

[junior needle]

[bitter turtle]

Like any other grappler

[bitter turtle]

Why not

It's just a revolver with extra steps anyway

[crude fiber]

What a

[bitter turtle]

I was using it

[junior needle]

Don’t you need to

Reload a slug every single time

[bitter turtle]

Yes

[cloud phoenix]

savage sweep or devastating strike is better? (blessings)

[bitter turtle]

But you got tac reload and shit

It makes it pretty fast

Wep specialist reload talent too

Like the only time I take that is on shotguns anyway

[junior needle]

Savage sweep is considerably more useful than devastating strike currently. I don’t think any weapon actually wants it.

[tiny summit]

He wasn't active on Twitter for like the entire month leading up to it. First thing he does after he wins. Replies to his oshi because she saw he was wearing her merch

[bitter turtle]

The passive reload isn't wasted either cause sometimes you shoot normally too

[crude fiber]

Lol

[junior needle]

Fatshork fucked those crit cleave blessings up

[bitter turtle]

Vtuber > fgs

Confirmed

[junior needle]

They’re basically worthless compared to alternatives

[tiny summit]

Vtuber buff

Unless I guess it's niji atm

[bitter turtle]

😔

Being niji fan is suffering

[tiny summit]

Rosemi on a tekken grind

[bitter turtle]

I was watching wose play the other day

At least she finally gets to tekken

I still watch old pomu vods

[tiny summit]

Niji throwing their own talents under the bus, no one knows who was for real the bully

[bitter turtle]

@junior needle do u keystoneless on shotguns then

Or focus

I wep specialist on all 3 for more reload speed

And to guarantee a crit for manstopper in some cases

[tiny summit]

Alright. Make way if you are in US. I'm hopping on with either this or this.

[bitter turtle]

Yamero

[tiny summit]

Which recon and which melee would be perfect?

[bitter turtle]

You know

Ibacrually believe that guy the other day

I will try 7

So 7

I believe it's better than 6d at least

[junior needle]

I don't use shotguns

[tiny summit]

I putting stam on the recon too

[bitter turtle]

Mostly cause cleave means you can hose the horde a bit with cleave into elites

[junior needle]

Not with that talent setup

[bitter turtle]

While the dmg was still a bit lower his ammo use was what impressed me more

Yeah maybe onslaught needs to go in that case

Go for rending strikes

So you can fucking have tac awareness

[prisma herald]

I-I fear the zealot chat

[tiny summit]

I refuse you

[junior needle]

Strongly recommend against mf on recons. If you're taking a keystone go midtree for ping since there's other goodies you want in there. 6d wants both rending strikes and onslaught. 7a can go with just rending strikes.

[tiny summit]

You think I'm doing this to be effective?

[junior needle]

Oh I see, mk2 recon.

[bitter turtle]

Bring a knife

[junior needle]

flesh tearer lacerate knife

[tiny summit]

OK I'm not a masochist

[bitter turtle]

Ywz

Yes

Coward

[tiny summit]

1300 dps on mutant and it took my entire stam

[bitter turtle]

If only you could take the other Stam delay

I would keep mf though ngl

Mf adds more than focus

I tested

10 stack mf = 5 focus 5 redirect

[tiny summit]

FT does give stam on kill

For more deadshot

[bitter turtle]

Ya that's the only thing

[tiny summit]

True

Been a while since I ran w/o iron will

[bitter turtle]

Unironically

Gonna try this with 7 now

(When i make one)

Er

No opening Salvo wtf

How did that get there

[tiny summit]

I'm running 7 because it's the only 1 besides a crap 6d from nov

[junior needle]

Swap opening salvo for the crit node if you actually want value

[junior needle]

Your goal is to derive pleasure from the suffering of others. Why else are you doing this?

[bitter turtle]

That was an accident

Would have put it in demo team

Or maybe vanguard ofb movespeed

I would make a 7 now but I'm still trying to find bloodletter iv

😔

Iii and iv actually make a difference too

[tall torrent]

1 more rescue

[junior needle]

You want the crit node, trust me on this.

[prisma herald]

is the daemonhost actually killable?

[tall torrent]

Yes

[junior needle]

Yes, fairly easily

Provided you have the right team comp

(thammer zealot or shield ogryn)

[tall torrent]

Now that it only ever targets 1 player you can gamble to kill it if specials don’t overwhelm u

[prisma herald]

i see

[tall torrent]

DC swords can also hold them for quite a long time

[bitter turtle]

Idk I always find crit actually has less value since HH

Dps wise

[tall torrent]

Headhunter only goes up to 25% now on recon

[bitter turtle]

Oh really?

[tall torrent]

It’s 5% per weakspot hit

Not 20% per weakspot hit

[bitter turtle]

Damn

Maybe I'll run

deadshot

[tall torrent]

Any kind soul want to jump off the map for my last 1 rescue needed for penance

[bitter turtle]

Would if I was home

[tall torrent]

I think I’ve rescued like 18 people today already

[tiny summit]

behold. poxwalkers fear me! Only went to low ammo at the finale because why not?

[junior needle]

It's not only for dps (5% crit is not a lot for that reason and they have shit finesse anyway). You want to crit as much as possible for ammo efficiency.

[prisma herald]

the emperor gifted me something

except i dont know how to play with knives lol

[tall torrent]

Are u just starting out on the game

[prisma herald]

technically, yes

[tame lodge]

Dodge, a lot

[serene bough]

https://youtu.be/0nOYLIU6Zh4?si=zWg2nhSivJHpmKe8

Ogryns have become orks

Spread to your local inquisitior

[tiny summit]

tried using the XII iLas. Theres some satisfaction to it, but man I am not vibing with that fire rate

[junior needle]

It also has the lowest dps of all infantry lasguns currently by a good margin

[agile forge]

Ia is typically better atm

[tiny summit]

I know

[agile forge]

Faster, similar breakpoints

[tiny summit]

wanted to give ol reliable another go

[junior needle]

You mean

Old and busted

[frank ether]

queue for auric

spawn on fire at %40 hp

aw yep

[tiny summit]

auric experience

[frank ether]

I survive fine till next medicae

then this exe vet who I kept babysitting

looks at me in the eye

and steals the last medicae

(he was missing like 30 hp)

[dusty nacelle]

Don't forget how VOC currently makes you completely invincible to ranged health damage >:)

[frank ether]

its the same with relic

[dusty nacelle]

wtfff wut did fatshark do lol

[junior needle]

fatshork things

The many goofs and gaffes of the obesefish

[frank ether]

I feel kinda cheap about running voc now smh

sigh

I guess time to bust out infiltrate

[tiny summit]

ogryn time

[serene bough]

better nerf recon

just played w/ a rumbler ogryn, literal brain rot

my PC cant handle all the explosions

[frank ether]

new pasta just dropped

[shadow dagger]

do ledge assists just like

cancel

sometimes

do you need like direct line of sight at all times or something or else it just cancels the rescue

[wooden brook]

So, I've heard columnus guns are all the rage at the moment... this is what i've been running... any alterations reccomended?

[agile forge]

Get Dum Dum and probably work on getting a better base in the long run

[junior needle]

Take off sustained fire and carapace, put on dumdum and flak

[frank ether]

^

[agile forge]

And yeah this is not your anti-carapace weapon

Carapace is a questionable perk at the best of times, but if you have CIAG then you probably wanna use a power sword or a bendy shovel to pop those big bastards open

Or krak I guess but I like shredders too much

[radiant chasm]

The only autoguns that can really crack carapace outside of zealots fury of the faithful or stacking rending, are the headhunters

But it requires chaining headshots

[junior needle]

If you have any of the rending talents you can kill crushers without too much trouble

[radiant chasm]

Headhunter(blessing)+ deadly accurate

[junior needle]

But like

It's not efficient to take that perk either way

There's so many more flak enemies that mandatory carapace ones

[radiant chasm]

Just in my alt veteran experience my mk3 headhunter does surprisingly without carapace perk

And mk7 isnt much farther behind but that is way more ammo limited

[junior needle]

It's a dmr that wants to one shot

[tiny summit]

man these spawns have been pitiful this patch

had one of the least hectic monstrous maelstroms ever

[serene bough]

same

between the two gamebreaking bugs and the lack of spawns auric maelstrom feels like heresy

[tiny summit]

time to actually level helldivers then

[inland canopy]

tbf the difference between vanilla rank 5 vs. high intensity has changed a lot

vanilla rank 5 is nothingville while high intensity just throws things at you

[frank ether]

I played weak monstro maelstorm and like