veteran-class

[rigid pilot]

There isnt another ability that adds no value to the team, so it checks out

[formal quail]

just had two invis vets on my team just run fast everything to grab all loot

past**

[rigid pilot]

Speedrunning 💨

[formal quail]

they were also dropping aggro so everyone would come to us

[elder fiber]

invis vet can save games out of absolute bullshit but it requires having a functioning brain and not mashing the F key because there's 3 poxwalkers in front of you

[formal quail]

thats the only good thing is that nothing aggros you while everyone is dead

and thats not good

[elder fiber]

I mean they can res out of crazy stuff with invis + good nade usage but again, brain required

[rigid pilot]

Invis would be cool if it allowed you to phase through enemies but it doesn't

[formal quail]

but if the only thing your ability gives you is to rez peopel while they're downed

its not a good ability

[dire olive]

They might not need to Res in the first place if they don't drop their aggro on everyone

[formal quail]

exactly

had two guys just invis and run past their mobs, making everyone else deal with fodder they should be dealing with

[dire olive]

The few times I use stealth I at least use it to flank past the fodder so I can kill groups of specials/gunners that are hiding in hard to reach backline areas

[formal quail]

these guys were both using plasma so

none of that happening

[dire olive]

So even if everyone gets more fodder they at least don't have to deal with the trapper/flamer

[formal quail]

single target andies

[dire olive]

Yeah plasma just shoot through lmao

[gusty bison]

Nothing says "I cant handle this difficulty" more than a stealth plasma vet

[odd sparrow]

Plasma is so laughbly easy

[dire olive]

If you are solely using stealth as a get out of jail free card you are bad

Because VoC is right there

With half the cooldown

[austere pine]

and more benefits +more forgiving build path

is plasma + weapons specialist viable?

[trim hemlock]

Plasma doesn’t really need it, but it’s a solid keystone for empowering your melee, still

[winter grove]

I hate to use and see people use plasma

Even the revolver takes some aiming skill man

[trim hemlock]

Both feature the “big boolet” hit box

But the revolver indeed needs the weak spot hits to perform

And plasma evaporates basically any unit below bruiser on singular body shots

[zealous wyvern]

i love plasma

havent used it once since whenever it got meta

dont really know why

but i love the handling. its very thematic

[exotic spade]

I wish bolter wasn't so damn clunky. It makes no sense plasma and revolver have zero pull out issues, and the bolter takes forever.

[dire olive]

I just with the firepower made up for it

How is a handgun hitting harder than a bolter

[gusty bison]

The problem is the revolver tbh

Not the bolter

Volver is overbuffed

[inland canopy]

the penetration stat

[gusty bison]

I wish

Volver aims for you. Shoots softball sized bulletd

[inland canopy]

at this point if you are not bad at aiming

volver just works

[gusty bison]

Nah volver works if you are bad at aiming too

It has aim assist

[inland canopy]

a well rolled volvered is just good

[inland canopy]

this i don't agree with

[gusty bison]

Compared to other precision weapons volver is the easiest one to aim

[inland canopy]

volver has extreme penetration stat

[gusty bison]

It literally has a stat in code that shows it has aim assist

[tiny summit]

Even better. Very generous weakspot hit and penetrates, and most things behind a head are gonna be head height or near too

[inland canopy]

uh uh uh

source

[gusty bison]

It was mentioned in this channel a while back

With a screenshot

[inland canopy]

anywho

the game is pretty much meh

unless they make other weapons match the corniness of weaposn like volver

[gusty bison]

I mean. Solution. Make the revolver not have aim assist

Or a cleave of 5

[lost portal]

Meanwhile, if my heart beats at the wrong time my Helllbore goes from a headshot powerful enough to instakill a crusher to a limb hit that doesn’t do shit.

[inland canopy]

cuz even a well rolled kantrael shotgun or heavy blasters till doesn't feel as consisnent as volver

[gusty bison]

Even then it would still be an amazing gun

[gusty bison]

Cos volver has aim assist

The head is literally double the size

Thats why its more consistent

[inland canopy]

and im going to keep using it

and stop playing the game if they nerf volver and not buff other weapons

[gusty bison]

Id say you are in the minority

[inland canopy]

there was a time kantrael shotgun felt like the best shotgun

and then they nerfed that

[lost portal]

Rightfully so

It’s still good

[gusty bison]

Kantrael's nerf was so it couldnt shoot through entire walls

Lmao

It was a bugfix

Not a nerf

[inland canopy]

kantrael las rifle is very good, but its still a spam gun that miss half of the tiime

im not here to waste my time with a gun that fires like Fallout New Vegas guns

fuck off with that sound

[tiny summit]

Shotguns still feel underwhelming. I like em but eh they don't feel that great

[gusty bison]

Thry are ok

But their power is in thr special shot

[inland canopy]

call me lazy but i don't want to shoot 5 shots to get a shot in or aim for 1.5s then i should

[gusty bison]

The primary fire is ass

[tiny summit]

Which is more accurate to say. "Underwhelming" to our OP shit

[gusty bison]

I mean no gun needs to do this

[delicate estuary]

main downside of shotguns is the load one special round then load one special round then load one special round instead of having a swap ammo mode and allowing you to full reload with only the rounds you want to use

[tiny summit]

Fatshark managing to make hipfiring a shotgun feel like ass

[gusty bison]

Theres just too many enemies tbh

[inland canopy]

that's how half of darktide guns feels

[gusty bison]

... which half

Cos most of them are pretty snappy

[inland canopy]

on auric i don't have time to have a gun have shitty spread or shoot twice to kill a scab

so i stick to revolver

otherwise i'd be just meleeing

[gusty bison]

The guns that need to shoot twicr to kill a scab gunner are all full auto guns

Every semi auto 1 shots a scab gunner

Except maybe MG 4

[delicate estuary]

and MG1A

[gusty bison]

1a can 1 shot with the right build iirc

[tiny summit]

1a can 1 tap

[gusty bison]

So i still dont understand what guns u are referring to, please give specific examples since no guns come to mind that satisfy your criteria

[inland canopy]

columnus, agrippina, most shotguns before they got nerfed

vrak even

[lost portal]

Mate…. Have you consider that’s there’s a REASON they got nerfed

[gusty bison]

Columnus is a full automatic gun. As is agripinna. Both are laser beams for the first 6 bullets. Shotguns 1 shot scab gunners. The agripinna even does it from 50+m

Vraks 7 one shots scab gunners

[lost portal]

Funny slug round

[gusty bison]

Soooo no. None of these guns satisfies your criteria

[inland canopy]

then they should nerf revolver

and make everyone cry

[gusty bison]

No one is gonna cry about volver nerf lol

[inland canopy]

all in all i'd just stop playing the game

[gusty bison]

Or well

Most people wont

[inland canopy]

simple solution

[gusty bison]

Volver is a dumb gun

And should be brought in line

[inland canopy]

if they nerf volver people will just play zealot

cuz zealot knife is a special killer

[lost portal]

”Oh no! My weapon doesn’t have the hit detection of the fucking TF2 huntsman but on a hitscan weapon anymore!”

[gusty bison]

U realize vet knife is better than zealot knife?

Lmao

[inland canopy]

vet doesn't have throwing knife what are yout talking about

[gusty bison]

Oh ur talking about the blitz? Imagine not having infinite grenades

Knife is nothing compared to laspistol

[inland canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/eh-meh-jim-jim-halpert-the-office-gif-25317293

[gusty bison]

Imagine not being hitscan

And not getting 40% toughness

And having basically unlimited shots

Like if u think throwing knives is a better special killer than 80% of vet's guns then the problem is you

Granted its not bad

[delicate estuary]

throwing knives not having the ability to go through enemies 💀

cant run knives man

feels like I dont have a blitz

[serene bough]

https://tenor.com/view/crab-knife-fight-gif-7305809

[gusty bison]

Tbf this guys says the columnus iag is bad and clunky sooo

[serene bough]

Knife blitz is good for some builds I guess but it's no secondary weapon replacement

Don't know anything about zealot builds

[gusty bison]

Zealot likes knives cos a lot of their precision guns cant hit the elite killer breakpoints

[delicate estuary]

now I am confused

[gusty bison]

And cos there is the bug where u can get uncanny strike on the knives so they murder crushers

[delicate estuary]

what knives are you talking about

[gusty bison]

Throwing knives

[serene bough]

Zealot blitz

[gusty bison]

Theres the same bug that lets helbore bayo get BM

U can get US on thrown knives if its on ur melee and u have stacks active

[delicate estuary]

nah

I refuse

just kill the elites with your melee and move on

[last parcel]

they fixed that last patch

[neon estuary]

finally got sunder for my power sword! >:3

[gusty bison]

Ye but they didnt fix US on thrown knives iirc

[neon estuary]

i wonder whats the best perks for the power sword?

[delicate estuary]

BM PC

I am not a sunder enjoyer

[gusty bison]

Perks

[delicate estuary]

oh mb

you have another 3 people to help you deal with bulwarks so not sure what the purpose of sunder is

[gusty bison]

Also grenades

Bulwark wall = 2 frags

[delicate estuary]

eh I wouldnt grenade bullwarks

[neon estuary]

well i know the power sword's purpose and that is cleving crowded enemies

[delicate estuary]

if I have a couple on me I just wait for them to swing

and then you can stagger them with headshots to death

and if your are surrounded by 6 bullwarks then its a positioning issue or the team is dead

so its whatever

[delicate estuary]

yes and BM gives you a 6 target cleave

[neon estuary]

ok but with power cycler, i can cleave faster

[gusty bison]

Why not boff

[delicate estuary]

not to mention that BM PC gives you better armor damage

which is more needed on average since people dont know how to handle 6 crushers at once

[neon estuary]

dont have to worry about armor damage because i have krak grenades

[flint lake]

Usually not a problem so long as you’ve got some nades to either pop them or trip them up.

[terse idol]

Gonna say it but krak is meh

[delicate estuary]

yea but why you had to say it

[neon estuary]

whats that suppose to mean?

[delicate estuary]

[terse idol]

Okay I'll roll it back

[flint lake]

Kraks can be fun but they lack the versatility of frag nades for sure

[delicate estuary]

thats not how that works

[terse idol]

Wake up, see grenade talk

Go back to sleep

😌

[delicate estuary]

abilities are more consistent than nades

[neon estuary]

its just an anti tank grenade, i only use them against carapace targets and big monsters

[terse idol]

That's fair

[delicate estuary]

a lot can happen in 3 minutes of time waiting for grenades to refill

[shadow aurora]

3 minutes?

[serene bough]

ill take kraks if my weapons are not sufficient enough to deal with armor

sometimes you just got a build thatneeds a little extra armor killing potential

[terse idol]

Hmm if you're talking about 5% to get grenade back... maybe it's just me but I still prefer the 60s grenade because I know when rhe grenade is coming back

[delicate estuary]

if you are spamming nades without thinking I assume you take nade regen which is 1 every 60 seconds if I remember correctly

[tiny summit]

Demo team the goat

[shadow aurora]

Yes

[flint lake]

For sure. Usually lead in with a couple swipes before activating my shout and that’s enough to kill one and do some damage to another before tossing in a krak while they’re stacked up.

[delicate estuary]

yea so if you yeet all 3 nades in a 6 crusher swarm you will have to wait 3 minutes for a full refill

I personally dont enjoy sitting on 1 grenade so I dont consider that a good state

[serene bough]

i wouldn't yeet all 3 grenades into 6 crushers

[woeful ibex]

oh right

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/05/25/warhammer-skulls-2023-the-ultimate-festival-of-warhammer-video-games/

Old article

[serene bough]

get them to clump up and toss one, maybe two

[woeful ibex]

but May 25 is skull thrones

I think Big update coming up

[shadow aurora]

Why would you toss all three?

[serene bough]

kraks aren't really for burning down crushers as soon as you see them but moreso being able to remove them from the fight when you or your team can't kill them quick enough

[delicate estuary]

to kill them as fast as possible

[woeful ibex]

yeah

[delicate estuary]

and I am using shredders always

cause they are just better

[woeful ibex]

Kill them immediatly than being surrounded by them

They're pain to deal with + hoardes

[shadow aurora]

One or two with assistance of team is enough

Three if your solo which you shouldnt be usually

[gusty bison]

You take both nade regens

[delicate estuary]

the trapper throwing his warp net through all 6 buttcheeks would like to disagree

[gusty bison]

Which ends up to around 1 every 20-30s

Which is a lot of nades

[shadow aurora]

I have my teamates getting like trapped one or twice a game

[delicate estuary]

I dont run VOC so I just take the one when I can spare it

[shadow aurora]

Get better teamates

[delicate estuary]

ahh yes relying on teammates

surely that will go well

[serene bough]

i mean if you have a cluster of crushers and get them to bait their attackson you, you're able to kill 3 crushers with a single krak

[shadow aurora]

I literally play on randos and i consistently have players who can dodge nets

[serene bough]

I personally would run a melee weapon that could deal with armor so I would definitely not advise wasting all 3 grenades into a single pack of crushers

[delicate estuary]

@serene bough

[delicate estuary]

its not about being able to dodge

[serene bough]

im not discussing shredders im discussing kraks

[gusty bison]

Theres like... one melee that cant anyway

[delicate estuary]

its about having the space to dodge

[shadow aurora]

Dodge/avoid/kill i more meant that rarely is anyone getting caught

Luck issue

[delicate estuary]

I am discussing shredders cause thats all I use so wea re in an impass

[gusty bison]

So

We now discuss

smokes

[shadow aurora]

No

[delicate estuary]

smokes best

yes

its how you kill smikers

[serene bough]

vape god vet is funny, but shredders are still better

[shadow aurora]

Trolling

[terse idol]

Smokes are pretty good now

I think...

[serene bough]

blind an entire pack of gunners and shoot through smoke or kill all gunners w/ 2 shredders

[delicate estuary]

you go invis ability on vet with smokes -> bait 6 crushers into you and lead them to the smiker then smoke and go invis yourself to reset aggro -> watch chaos ensue

[terse idol]

used 2 shredders

Well wait

[shadow aurora]

Its too much work to get them to work when you can just take a shredder or krak

[terse idol]

Tou proved that smoke is better

[neon estuary]

oh wait a minute, my question about whats the best perks for a power sword hasn't been answered

[terse idol]

I'm kidding

I think it's a fine option now

[delicate estuary]

flak and manic is fairly standard if all you want to do is kill normal enemies that are not carapace or bosses

[serene bough]

smokes can work, I just don't see why people wouldn't favor a strategy of outright killing the enemy

[gusty bison]

Does flak even do anything for psword?

[terse idol]

It's those scenarios with a gunner room that in theory krak or shredder doesn't since

[shadow aurora]

Personally id take unyielding and carapace on psword

[neon estuary]

does most of every weapon's perks had to be flak and manic?

[terse idol]

And krak suffers in gunner rooms

[gusty bison]

Nope

[serene bough]

maniac is always a safe bet but not always a requirement

[gusty bison]

Its just what people default to when they dont wanna bother testing for specific BPs

[timid otter]

Depends on the talents veteran has put on

[serene bough]

I doubt flak matters much on PS

[terse idol]

Flak isn't always required depending

[delicate estuary]

does for maulers

[terse idol]

Sometimes cara

[delicate estuary]

if you dont run carapace

[serene bough]

id probably run cara + maniac for ragers, maulers, and crushers

but i dont use the PS often

[neon estuary]

idk if a mauler is an elite or a manic

[delicate estuary]

elite

[neon estuary]

fair enough

[serene bough]

carapace on the head, flak on the body

[delicate estuary]

maniac is mostly for stinky ragers

[shadow aurora]

Those scenarios are far enough between to make kraks and shredders overall better

[delicate estuary]

just use exe stance and evaporate the entire room

[neon estuary]

also flamers and trappers also count as manics i believe....

[gusty bison]

Well u dont need +maniac for those

They paper

[delicate estuary]

stinky ragers

[serene bough]

yeah maniac is only for ragers and i guess mutants

but mutants are so easy to deal witheven without the perk

[gusty bison]

Boop da snoot

[terse idol]

Well yeah if I'm running exe 😭

[timid otter]

Maniac is good on ps6

[midnight totem]

Maniac is armor type, elite is unit type

[delicate estuary]

cant wait for VOC nerf

[serene bough]

and make no mistake, clusters of ragers are definitely something you'd want extra damage against

[terse idol]

😌

[midnight totem]

The flamers are also manics

[serene bough]

yea but flamers fold like wet paper bc they take x3 melee damage

[gusty bison]

Exec imho shouldnt die when swapping to melee

[terse idol]

Why they make scab flamers maniac and not flak

FS pls

[delicate estuary]

its a skill check

[midnight totem]

Because they don't wear flak, because they're maniacs

[terse idol]

[serene bough]

good gif

[stiff glacier]

[terse idol]

They litterally wear flak armour

[delicate estuary]

the scab flamers

are wearing all flak

[terse idol]

It has to be a bug or an oversight it's so weird

[stiff glacier]

Hes maniac because he is pyromaniac

[serene bough]

lets keep it that way

[stiff glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/ba-dum-tsss-drum-band-gif-7320811

[serene bough]

hate to find changing maniac to flak effects breakpoints

[delicate estuary]

back to sleep we go

[terse idol]

Why is the toxic flamer not tox, she's a toxomaniac

[delicate estuary]

not not ?

[terse idol]

🦗

[serene bough]

wish the two flamers had different functions

[stiff glacier]

Shes a paint thinner sniffer

[serene bough]

theres just 2 distinct flamers because...?

[delicate estuary]

there is 2 distinct factions

therefore

1+1 = 2

[midnight totem]

To piss us off I guess

[serene bough]

but even the different factions have different behaviors

[terse idol]

To be fair ragers function the same

[delicate estuary]

different behaviors ?

what do you mean

[gusty bison]

Dreg flamer should deal corruption damage

[terse idol]

Literally reskinned

[serene bough]

scab vs dreg gunners for example

[delicate estuary]

they both shoot at you, they both melee you, they both want to shove nurgles beast up your ass

what is there that is different

[serene bough]

some run upto you and close distance whereas others take cover and shoot from cover at a distance

[terse idol]

I thought they did

[delicate estuary]

?????

[serene bough]

(the common gunners not the elites)

[delicate estuary]

both factions sit behind cover

[lost portal]

I don’t think they do

[delicate estuary]

both factions run at you

[terse idol]

Scab stalkers technically like shoot closer and faster?

[delicate estuary]

the only difference is the stinky ragers

[terse idol]

The scab Rangers, the guys with green eyes do tend to be more accurate

[delicate estuary]

and the one faction not having maulers

[serene bough]

stalkers approach melee more often, dregs are mid range who take cover w/ some melee capability, scab shooters are the weakest in melee and try to stay as far away as possible

[terse idol]

And dredges only have 1 flavour of regular gunner

[serene bough]

the point is it would be cool if the flamers had different behaviors as well

since there's already 2 distinct models

[terse idol]

Just make the dredge flamerr deal alot of orruption damage

[delicate estuary]

stop

[serene bough]

hell even pox vs groaners are different

[midnight totem]

Let's not

[gusty bison]

Just give the dreg gunner knockback again >:P

[serene bough]

ragers and gunner elites are not, i guess

[delicate estuary]

CEASE

[terse idol]

[midnight totem]

Anyway

[delicate estuary]

well they want to make the game easier as of latest patch so thats not happening

[midnight totem]

Purestrain genestealers when

[serene bough]

4 years

[delicate estuary]

I want old fire back

[terse idol]

Once they finish adding like more regular enemies
Where is my Pox grenadier

[serene bough]

im sure by summer there'll be some bigger content update

[terse idol]

Gonna have to add a modifier called make it rain

[serene bough]

most likely near the middle/end of summer

[delicate estuary]

CEASE

stop cooking

[terse idol]

Cooking the worst meals out here fr

[cursive relic]

Question

Thoughts on the helbourge lasguns?

[gusty bison]

Best lasguns in the game atm

But hard to learn

[delicate estuary]

they are not hard

just annoying

[gusty bison]

One of the better vet guns as well if we dont count the OP trio

[gusty bison]

For some learning to press the dodge button is hard

[cursive relic]

I tried the mark 2 helbourge

Prolly my fave

Just need the charge speed to have the highest stats

[broken palm]

Is deadeye veteran good again or does it still suck?

[gusty bison]

Deadeye as in exec stance?

[cursive relic]

Deadeye vet?

[gusty bison]

Or deadeye as in deadshot

[broken palm]

Executioners stance

[gusty bison]

Still the worst ability of the 3. Mostly cos most guns dont benefit from it effectively

[broken palm]

FML all I wanna do is just play my old veteran lol

[gusty bison]

The main thing really is just

Press F to highlight enemies is...

Not very impactful

Not when u can just tag to highlight them

[cursive relic]

Wait exec stance doesnt increase range dmg or something?

[gusty bison]

The damage would be useful if all the precision guns didnt already one shot

[gusty bison]

It does but more damage on top of a 1 shot is useless

[cursive relic]

Fair enough

But it does help against crushers

Well for me

And tht tiny zoom is what I need to compensate for the ironsights

[idle swallow]

I like it on me boltgun cuz the bonus dmg lets me one shot bodyshot gunners/shotgunners a lot more consistently

[cursive relic]

Also thoughts on the infiltrate?

I just use like zealot’s shroudfield

Though from what I heard, its hella versatile

More than using it as a means to dmg boost

[elder fiber]

It's worse cooldown and the dmg bonuses aren't anywhere near zealot's so it's better saved for utility purposes imo

[gusty bison]

And all the semi autos can hit their major BPs without exec

[gusty bison]

Its useful in raking fire builds and some melee builds

Otherwise... not much benefits

[spark helm]

Playing with the stealth abilities mostly just changes your standard approaches to scenarios you're probably already experienced with.

Take the plunge and try it out yourself.

Fuck asking questions in the discord (no disrespect). Experiment.

[slow spade]

Imagine asking questions

Ignorance is strength and I'm very strong 😎

[cursive relic]

Ehh just curious on people’s thoughts on it

Infiltrate’s possibly my fave

Actually no cant decide

[slow spade]

Infiltrate is a lot of cost for less output in my eyes

Mostly due to the talent pathing being shit

[cursive relic]

I use it more as a support util

Making sure nothing goes down to hell

And the path is like

Melee-specific

[eternal sable]

I'm still getting silent bursters and also have you noticed that snipers spawn in 3's now

[slow spade]

I noticed a lot of snipers but bursters haven't been too bad

Its mostly a lot of "oops all fire" for me

[agile forge]

Could somebody critique my left-side CIAG build for me please?

This is currently PS6 and CIAG

My other build is more serious plasma shit but I want an excuse to run MF

and something that's not VoC

trying to get past my anxiety of OH GOD TOO MANY NODES I normally feel when I look at the vet tree

[atomic zephyr]

honestly looks pretty good

pretty similar to what i run

[agile forge]

Any tweaks to it you'd make?

I wanted to run Krak initially but couldn't budget it in

since I won't grief by not taking survivalist aura lol

I'm not sure if I need suppression immunity

[slow spade]

The node above survivalist swap to the right node

Left node is useless

Right node lets you duel shooters while regenning toughness

It also lets you regen toughness while alone

So you can loot plasteel in "relative" safety

[agile forge]

Fixed it, thank you

[slow spade]

Np comrade

[agile forge]

Is the bottom-of-tree stuff all correct?

It seems bizarre that they give MF a modifier that gives +10 rending conditionally

but in the middle leg there's just a flat +10 rending all the time

[slow spade]

Looks fine to me, I know suppression reduces your accuracy + increases sway

So its sus but Exec stance should cover

[agile forge]

Does Executioner's Stance mitigate suppression effectively then?

I haven't used it since it was Volley Fire

Veteran's my least played because frankly the talent tree scares the shit out of me

[slow spade]

I guess that way all keystones have rending even though left is shit

[agile forge]

and LoL always made me terrified of playing suboptimally in case my team judges me for it lol

[slow spade]

It heavily reduces it but not removes

[agile forge]

ok, that's good enough

[slow spade]

Yeah basically you can ignore it

[agile forge]

How many stamina curios should I take with a deadshot CIAG?

[slow spade]

Only stuff like Helbore feel it

[agile forge]

since it gobbles up your stamina in seconds

[slow spade]

I take 1 because I use stam delay node + Focus Target keystobe for stam

1 is less consistent but safer

2 is glass cannon

[agile forge]

hm, that stamina delay node might be more worthwhile than tdr

should I take it?

[slow spade]

You can also replace your 10% toughness resist node for stam delay

[agile forge]

that's a yes then :)

I want this to feel as shooty as my gun psyker

[slow spade]

I personally would because you don't have Focus Target or Duck and Dive

[agile forge]

since that's spoiled me for veteran

[slow spade]

Won't have the dps but better ammo and resist

[gusty bison]

Yes

[agile forge]

but gunker's dps comes in bursts with SG

which is less consistent than ES can be I think

[slow spade]

Indeed but you don't need the dps constantly so its not a weakness imo

[gusty bison]

You also dont need 8k dps tbf

6k is ample

[agile forge]

So long as I can rest my gun sights around head height in a corridor and create a small scale exterminatus I'm happy

Thank you all for the help :)

[slow spade]

Np make sure you don't die UwU

Also don't lose your habit of peril control :p

[lunar tendon]

Should i make a veteran?

never really gotton into em properly

[gusty bison]

Whats stopping u

[lunar tendon]

unsure if i will find the class fun (and fear of squad mates stealing all the ammo)

[gusty bison]

Vet requires the least ammo of all the classes

[agile forge]

Veteran generates ammo for the whole team including themselves

and has some great melee options too

[gusty bison]

As for the other concern, im not a mindreader so you have to figure that out yourself

[agile forge]

you also generate grenades for yourself

The only tricky part is not getting intimidated by the wall of talent points

[slow spade]

Vet is the least ammo dependent due to regen and strong melee options

[agile forge]

tbf, psyker with staff is the least ammo dependent

[slow spade]

True

Petitioning Fatshark to remove psyker brb

[lunar tendon]

Wait how o-o? is it one of their specials?

[slow spade]

Yes

[lunar tendon]

Or i see talents

[slow spade]

Its their starting aura

[lunar tendon]

cool i did't know that

[slow spade]

You can replace it or upgrade it later on

[slow spade]

Very handy and used to be even more op when it rounded up 😔

[lunar tendon]

[midnight totem]

Petitioning fatshark for all classes to have some kind of ammo support

[slow spade]

They do

Its called a Veteran 😎

[tall torrent]

u can check out my talent breakdown, it's pinned in this channel

[lunar tendon]

okay

you have several pins

[tall torrent]

this one @lunar tendon

[lunar tendon]

thanks Mate

[tall torrent]

[lunar tendon]

now to make a old grumpy Cadian veteran who is a loose canon

[delicate estuary]

Its good its just VOC is broken in what it offers. It benefits weapons like infantry lasguns, hellbores, bolter, plasma, revolver. Pretty much anything that isnt full auto since you want to pair deadshot with it. You can run Colomnus with exe stance but its eh imo. Main problem is that you need to learn positioning compared to VOC

[hollow ibex]

have you considered releasing it as a google doc or something so it updates automatically and can be viewed without a download

[tall torrent]

google docs fonts are inferior

and my previous experiences using tables in google docs weren't as good as MS word

[hollow ibex]

aren't you using calibri or some shit anyway

could use the online version of word

[tall torrent]

noe

[hollow ibex]

if you prefer using word

which font are you using?

[tall torrent]

Aptos

[hollow ibex]

hmm hadn't heard of it

too many modern-looking sans serif typefaces out there

[tall torrent]

[timid otter]

Whats the worst font style

[lunar tendon]

What Personality should i choose for my female veteran?

[tall torrent]

French Script MT (MS Word)

[lunar tendon]

i can't decide who got the better voice

[tall torrent]

female LC has "flirting" chemistry with male professional

[timid otter]

Just dont choose female professional

[lunar tendon]

Loose canon it is

[timid otter]

Most forgettable voice in the game.

[lunar tendon]

cause i like her accent

[tall torrent]

the most annoying personality is male cutthroat tho

it's unbearable unless they have scion helm voice modulator

in which case it goes from like a 3/10 to an 8/10

[lunar tendon]

lol

scion helm voice modulator sounds cool

[timid otter]

Im pretty sure female professional straight up lacks dialogue.

You barely ever hear the character speak.

[delicate estuary]

dunno

sounds eh

[tall torrent]

"CADIA STANDS!" yea bro why're u running +2 wounds on veteran if you're gonna make a stand

[delicate estuary]

to me at least

[lunar tendon]

was that not the cutttoart

?

Cutt thoart

[tall torrent]

yea that's cutthroat

[lunar tendon]

What should i name my veteran?

[agile forge]

Ok I tried my new CIAG build out

good god the power

I mean I think Magistrati Oubliette is one of the easiest maps in the game particularly towards the end with all those corridors

but you really feel the power of CIAG there lol

[tall torrent]

Torrent assassination becomes relatively easy once you get past the open dropdown where first medicae is and make it up the stairs

[delicate estuary]

there is another sussy place before second medicae

[lunar tendon]

Help..

[tall torrent]

ascender into catwalk? besides getting blown off the map it's ok

[delicate estuary]

it depends

I like to pace

so when people take 10 thousand years to move up

and just farm shit instead of pushing into the room on the left side

it becomes annoying

[slow spade]

Yeah I see people farming kills

Its weird and delays everything

[timid otter]

I vary my pace in missions from class to class.

Psykers genuinely need to be way more afarid of what is coming from behind.

[delicate estuary]

I vary it based on the pubs

and sadly my opinion regarding psyker is completely obscured cause I only use surge staff

so I play psyker on easy

cause there is no interesting options in the talent tree

[timid otter]

I dont even bother with pubs by this point.

Its either solo or vc.

[delicate estuary]

thats the only difficulty of the game atm

and solo doesnt allow for any fun combinations

[timid otter]

Ye but i dont have to deal with frusrating pub players in solo

Its just me, the bots.

[agile forge]

Idk, I love the different options for psyker

I have more build diversity on psyker personally than I do on my other classes

[delicate estuary]

I mean dont think many options beat venting shriek soulblaze

[tiny summit]

When the team is farming out the extract kills...

[agile forge]

Scrier's Gaze/Disrupt Destiny for guns

Tbf I use shriek for 3/5 of my builds

[delicate estuary]

eh then you rely on the team leaving you ammo to pick up

which is not something I want to do

[agile forge]

Less than you would think

I use assail for that

and illisi

[delicate estuary]

force swords xd

like I said

[agile forge]

My gun is mostly only for super high pressure

[delicate estuary]

I have tried most psyker stuff

for me nothing compares

[agile forge]

Yeah, psykers have like 3 melee weapon options because the others are much less good tbf

Deimos, Illisi, Duelling Sword IV

[delicate estuary]

and you only want to use a force sword

[agile forge]

but still

[delicate estuary]

to abuse the bug

so its whatever

[agile forge]

nah, duelling sword IV is great too

and you can use a rashad like everybody else too

[delicate estuary]

no I mean the only reason to use a force sword is to abuse the bug

I only use mk4 duelling regardless

[agile forge]

false, they're also just really good

[delicate estuary]

no ?

[agile forge]

Deimos for deflector and mutant one-shots

Illisi is crazy strong

Duelling Sword also for one-shotting things with more fluidity than deimos

[agile forge]

yes? In what world are psyker melee weapons not really good?

[delicate estuary]

duelling sword just provides something that force swords will never provide which is mobility

which is far more important

than taking a blessing slot to deflect ranged attacks

[agile forge]

Yeah, tbh, the deflector thing is a subjective thing

it's also good for the pushy stuff

[delicate estuary]

deflector should have been baked into the sword

[agile forge]

This I agree with

but again

in what world are force swords bad?

illisi doesn't compete with DS4, it's a totally different niche

[delicate estuary]

for my playstyle they are bad

if I have to pull out my melee I am either in a bad position or my team is dead

[rancid ginkgo]

brunt banger?

[delicate estuary]

like I said I only spam surge

[agile forge]

but I thought you said psyker doesn't have any interesting talent decisions

[delicate estuary]

yes for me they dont

I only play brain burst, venting shriek, soulblaze, mk4 and surge staff

the other options just dont compare for me

[tiny summit]

This would've been nice during p13 for 21 days

[agile forge]

You know what, that's fine, you do you

I take psyker stuff very personally I guess

which is on me

[rancid ginkgo]

never actually used any recon lasgun 💀

[tiny summit]

Not in the best of spots right now

Any other gun will carry you farther than them atm

[agile forge]

There's nothing in this game quite like trauma or voidstrike imo

[delicate estuary]

you can make OK work with the weapon specialist keystone

[rancid ginkgo]

understandable, i usually run plasma but i copped the recon too just for the base stats

[delicate estuary]

but you will never be using it as your main weapon

[tiny summit]

Didn't like voidstrike at first because I built nexus/surge. Built a transfer peril/flurry and now I actually like it

[high sierra]

I have never for the life of me ever reached a keystone with vet

[agile forge]

surge is the one staff I don't really use lol

[tiny summit]

It's a good cop for whenever fatshark decides to give them a balance pass.

[rancid ginkgo]

yup, thats what i was thinking

[tiny summit]

I mean. Vets already had a successful tree before keystones. So eh

[high sierra]

Yeah

[tiny summit]

For psyker right now it's either purgatus and chill or gunker

[high sierra]

It's actually a bit better now, just don't mind the keystones.

[coral bloom]

Ran this as well, very strong since you can shoot fast nonstop.
My main gripe playing psyker right now is the staffs are so strong and gives so much toughness regen I dont ever melee pretty much, and melee is fun xD

[high sierra]

You can grab all 3 red nodes in a lot of different builds

[tiny summit]

Been playing Smoke/Infil/WS with MK10 Laspistol. Pretty fun

[tiny summit]

Bringing out the ds4 against the crushers just to feel something

[high sierra]

I have adopted the Agrippina MK I Assault Rifle as my Braced auto replacement

[terse idol]

Okay like to be fair 1 red talent isn't that good

For the emperor or whatever

[coral bloom]

Am not getting that desperate for I guess challenge. But I do find vet a more fluid fun playstyle.
Been trying to play a bit of psyker with a weakspot venting deimos to purposefully go melee for peril dumping and get some gameplay flow. Pretty fun, works well enough I guess.

[terse idol]

Gonna say it, but if you're running VOC you're not doing no keystones rightv

Voc is practically it's own keystone

[delicate estuary]

VOC nerf

[terse idol]

😌

[high sierra]

Bleed nades are the true vet keystone

[delicate estuary]

need to make it a 60 second cooldown

like kruber

[high sierra]

Having it regen , and 3 nades is plenty.

[tiny summit]

Isn't that much of a challenge since ds4 poke wrecks them but it is basically playing with bulls against a crusher party

[coral bloom]

Im reading ds4 and thinking one of the catacan swords, dont know if im doing a derp here

[tiny summit]

My current IAG builds. Because I'm on that MF copium

[terse idol]

[tiny summit]

Dueling sword 4

[delicate estuary]

a fellow exe stance enjoyer

[tall torrent]

I wish you could stack marksman’s focus with weakspot hits as well

[coral bloom]

Ah, that seems less miserable

[delicate estuary]

with no nade regen

[tiny summit]

Not even. DS4 will like 3-4 poke crushers to death

[delicate estuary]

the real chad move

[terse idol]

That would make MF pretty alright vs bosses

[tiny summit]

Demo team

All the regen I need baby

[delicate estuary]

dont like the 5% chance

requires you to be in coherency with your team

and I am never in coherency

[terse idol]

I kinda wished exe had a side talent that extended the duration if you hit bosses

makes automatic weapons even better for exe
woops

[tiny summit]

5% chance in auric feels like guaranteed in auric for me. Since it's either me or my team. Unlike comp urge that requires my team to give me a buff randomly

[delicate estuary]

your team is only if you are in coherency tho

[terse idol]

Well comp urge is more consistent because it's all kills

At any range

For your entire ream

2.5% seems very consistent

[delicate estuary]

I am never in coherency cause once I am done with specials/disablers

I just dip to go loot

[slow spade]

2.5% -> 25% ez fix

[slow spade]

Same

[delicate estuary]

I dont chase stats anymore

only plasteel

[slow spade]

The 5% toughness regen when no enemies nearby is just better Loner aura

[tiny summit]

Oh I know, I just dislike its a random buff at a random time that does proc but there's no uptime from me. If it liked procc'd and I could keep it going with my own performance, I'd like it more

[tall torrent]

In an avg auric HiSTG where your team has 300 elite/special kills combined, you’ll gain 15 grenades from demo team

In an avg auric HiSTG where your team kills 2000 enemies, you’ll gain 400s (6 mins 40s) of comp urge uptime

[delicate estuary]

5% toughness when no enemies nearby feels like such a garbage talent

[slow spade]

Its better than the alternative

[delicate estuary]

what was the alternative remind me again

[tiny summit]

Actually a good talent

[delicate estuary]

I disagree with the amount of shit that spawns behind you

[slow spade]

When you hit 0% toughness, gain stam, no stun, and no stagger

[tall torrent]

Become stun & slow immune and gain 50% stamina when toughness breaks, 30s CD

[delicate estuary]

and there is never enough shit when alone to justify it

[tiny summit]

Plenty of times in aurics you actually don't have enemies disabling it

[delicate estuary]

I dont mind that actually

most of the time choose it over

the other

[tall torrent]

It’s alright but usually not as good as catch a breath

[slow spade]

Its ok to take by virtue of the alternative being shit

[tall torrent]

8m is shorter than u think

[tiny summit]

5% constant toughness regen also means constant toughness regen while being shot at

[delicate estuary]

I just dont see the purpose of the other

[slow spade]

Duel shooters and regen away from allies

[delicate estuary]

lets assume you take toughness damage from a damage source that is 8 meters further than you

what is the damage source

[slow spade]

A gun?

[delicate estuary]

yea exactly

and what do you do when you see multiple guns

[slow spade]

Which you then start regenning

[delicate estuary]

you slide

[tall torrent]

Taking ranged dmg doesn’t pause Catch a Breath btw

[delicate estuary]

and what happens when you slide

[slow spade]

Ok? But it doesn't prevent regen?

[tiny summit]

And I can safely shoot an enemy while regening toughness...

[delicate estuary]

also does the 5% apply on your base toughness

or total

[slow spade]

Total

[tall torrent]

Total

[slow spade]

Used to be base

But patch 13 I think?

[tall torrent]

If you build 180 toughness that’s 9/s

[delicate estuary]

yea was gonna say its 10 per second

hmm

[slow spade]

And it stacks with coherency

But eh

[delicate estuary]

dunno dont find it useful for ranged enemies cause I run exe stance

[tall torrent]

In most situations it’s better than GBITF

[slow spade]

Its best with exec stance lol

Lets you regen more while shooting

[delicate estuary]

I never run out of toughness with exe stance

from ranged enemies

[slow spade]

And having more isn't better than "buff at 0 toughness"?

Bruh

[delicate estuary]

if I have to clear a room of ranged enemies team is nearby to give me coherency regen

so dunno what to tell you

[tall torrent]

Coherency regen also pauses from getting shot at

Catch a breath doesn’t

[slow spade]

Lol

[delicate estuary]

could be cause I am running exhilarating takedown

and go for headshots on anything that gets highlighted or doesnt for that matter

I prefer the other option usually cause of deadshot

in case I autopilot/tunnelvision for a moment and forget I am about to get swarmed

and have no stamina to work with

[bitter turtle]

Honest to god

[tall torrent]

If GBITF had a shorter cooldown I’d prob consider it more

[bitter turtle]

I don't think I have ever noticed get back in the fight

[delicate estuary]

I have multiple times

especially when I underestimate rager swarms

[tall torrent]

If marksman focus could stack with weakspot hits I’d definitely consider it more

[delicate estuary]

allowed me plenty of times to bounce back

[slow spade]

I never get 0 toughness

I always die before 0 toughness

[delicate estuary]

only problem with that would be autoguns

[tall torrent]

Give it a 0.4s internal cooldown for weakspot hit stacks

That’s the firerate of MG12

So you can’t stack it faster than MG12 can

[delicate estuary]

fair point

[slow spade]

Oh I like that idea

[tiny summit]

What does the graia brauto braced fire rate look like with max WS stacks?

[slow spade]

Would be neat

[tall torrent]

It’s somewhere like 900rpm iirc

[delicate estuary]

all this DT talk making me want to play DT

but then I remember

I have to loot everything by myself

and I cba

[tall torrent]

Allowing weakspot hit to stack would prob also take a lot of the frustration away from the movement penalties

[slow spade]

Revved Up + 80 mobility chain axe + speed aura 😎

[delicate estuary]

probably need to run

[white minnow]

though there's camoflauge

[delicate estuary]

my catachan jungle warrior

build

[agile forge]

Why do you only play solo?

[delicate estuary]

smoke grenades and camo

[agile forge]

Randoms in this game are mostly quite nice

[delicate estuary]

I dont play solo and randoms in this game refuse to loot

[tall torrent]

Camouflage is not as good as LRA for most weapons

[delicate estuary]

when I have to average 400-600 plasteel per game

[slow spade]

Randoms are bad at looting

[delicate estuary]

it gets to my nerves

[slow spade]

I actually contemplate if speed aura is better than survivalist with how long I spend away from allies

[delicate estuary]

I could probably just do it in normal damnation but there is no fun in that

[white minnow]

well it's a tradeoff for whether you want uptime in situations where you can't get kills and getting higher value in situations where you indeed can get kills

[tall torrent]

For sniper style weapons, camo might be debatably better than LRA

But for most weapons that marksman’s focus works best with (ironically none of them are really “marksman” weapons)

LRA is the better pick

[white minnow]

yes i'm not arguing which is the better pick

[tall torrent]

You get to maintain 8~10 stacks fairly comfortably

[white minnow]

i'm saying that if you want uptime in situations where you can't get kills, there's camo

make the tradeoff or don't

[tall torrent]

Still doesn’t feel intuitive to play tho

[tiny summit]

Laspistol and MF is nice since hipfire is accurate and you're just constantly blasting heads

[tall torrent]

Should just have weakspot hit stacking

[slow spade]

I wish the high damage laspistol was better

[white minnow]

it stacking based on time isn't inherently bad

[slow spade]

It feels better to use :c

[white minnow]

and it's like one of the few "do X thing to get Y buff" things

[tiny summit]

I will choose camo at all times since I need kills to get any stacks otherwise. I want some stacks when I have the 1% time I get the perfect angle to give the BoN backshots

[white minnow]

sure they could make MF's economy smoother, but it seems pretty fine to me

[tiny summit]

Been playing around with the mk10. I definitely don't like it more than the mk2 but I do find it fun with weapon specialist

[white minnow]

if you want to annihilate non-boss stuff, there'a LRA
and if you want a smoother economy, there's camo

[agile forge]

What region are you? Over here people loot just fine

I'm in EU west

[delicate estuary]

I am on EU

[agile forge]

huh

are you playing auric damnation?

[delicate estuary]

yes

[agile forge]

huh

[slow spade]

Ah I've been running it with Focus Target to boost its already high damage

[agile forge]

yeah, apparently my subcommunity is different from yours lol

I don't see any issues with people looting

[slow spade]

N7 is playing with the bots 😔

[delicate estuary]

I have gotten flamed for making people wait in elevators

while I am looting

literally asking me what am I doing

while the plasteel popup was going up

[bitter turtle]

Ya that happened to me a couple times

After they abandoned like 3 crates

[delicate estuary]

and the problem is right

if I see people opening crates I can relax

but if I see them go past stuff or not even bothering to explore

I just get paranoid and check everything

[bitter turtle]

Nevermind plas they leave medkits half the time

[slow spade]

God yeah I had a team skip past med stims

[delicate estuary]

I had a person skip past plasteel stack right inf ront of them

[slow spade]

Like I had to hand it to them

[delicate estuary]

multiple times

[tall torrent]

I wish mk10 Laspistol had actually better dmg over range

[tiny summit]

I like the increased crit chance on first shot and the increased fire rate. Feels kinda satisfying 1 tapping a special with its mag size after clearing some chaff

[slow spade]

Hmmm I need to give it a go then. Was thinking of "maximize its strengths" with Focus Target

[delicate estuary]

stinkers spending 30-40 minutes

per mission

for less than 500 plasteel

[slow spade]

But the dockets UwU

:p

[tiny summit]

Docket maxing

[slow spade]

Is there a ping mod thing?

[tiny summit]

Fuck plasteel. Break your chains. Hadron doesn't own you. Stop the gacha.

Fuck! Another bricked rashad

[tall torrent]

<@&735928989146939404>

[slow spade]

Ah thank you

[tall torrent]

Rashad is the real veteran endgame grind

[delicate estuary]

hadron owns me

stop the propaganda

[slow spade]

Rashad has such high cost even I don't want to make it

[tiny summit]

When Hadron calls me a good varlet:

[agile forge]

4 important damage stats

[delicate estuary]

although to be honest plasteel hunting is not mandatory for me atm since I am almost done getting all relevant blessings

[agile forge]

2 important perks and 2 important blessings

[delicate estuary]

only took me 1000 hours to do that

[agile forge]

and people call it basic lol

[delicate estuary]

but the habit of looking is stuck in me

[agile forge]

I fucking hate the bromentum change for rashad

it killed the weapon for me on veteran

so now I just use power sword vi

[tiny summit]

Tbf...it is the first melee from brunt

[agile forge]

like everybody else

[split sapphire]

What are the best blessings/perks for the Mk.II varient of the revolver

[agile forge]

most basic playstyle, most difficult Hadron experience

[agile forge]

That's Zarona, right?

[split sapphire]

Huh?

[delicate estuary]

fanning or non fanning

[tiny summit]

Cowboy or regular?

[delicate estuary]

you aim down sight

or clown one

[split sapphire]

Oh regular, not the fan fire one

[agile forge]

Flak/maniac, surgical/hand cannon iirc (although maybe that's different for veteran since you can do the funny weapon specialist stuff to stay on low ammo so maybe crucian roulette is better?)

[tiny summit]

Don't call my ammo dumping cowboy fantasy a clown!

[bitter turtle]

Not flak maniac

Maniac elite

[agile forge]

Yeah, that's Zarona

my beloved

[split sapphire]

Ok wasn't aware of that

[agile forge]

ok, what he said

I use mine only on zealot

so different experience

[tall torrent]

[bitter turtle]

Maniac elite with high gun stats do funny rager bodyshot kill

[split sapphire]

I do have hand cannon 2 rn on mine, but don't have surgical yet, least not unlocked but i'll be keeping an eye out for it

[bitter turtle]

Well

[terse idol]

Min 70 damage in all stats 🥹
With uh... alot of supporting talents

[bitter turtle]

If ur gun stats are bad

Which I'm guessing they are

[terse idol]

The closer to 70 you need the more talents you need to make some breakpoints up

[bitter turtle]

The perks prob don't matter that much

[split sapphire]

I never said they were

[bitter turtle]

Well you have hc2

[terse idol]

Like I have a SUPER minimum rashad

[tall torrent]

Elite + maniac
Surgical + hand cannon
Gives you 1 bodyshot crit vs both ragers (and every other elite/special besides mutants), and you still get to 2 crit HS all the non-boss Ogryn enemies

[bitter turtle]

Most level 30 guns don't roll level 2 blessings

Unless I misunderstood

[split sapphire]

That sounds painful, for them

[bitter turtle]

What you meant

[terse idol]

Unclear

[tall torrent]

👍

[terse idol]

Rng in darktide be loopy

[split sapphire]

Yea

[slow spade]

Brb making trappers steal weapons

[delicate estuary]

what do you mean

its our main gameplay loop

40k casino

[terse idol]

[bitter turtle]

I have dumped more shit trying to make a good chainsword

Than rashad

[tall torrent]

Warhammer 40,000 as in 40,000 plasteel spent and still no Rashad godroll

[bitter turtle]

It's unreal

[slow spade]

Me with mk12

I tried to make a god mk12 before the crafting buffs

I think I'm at like easily 100k plasteel

[delicate estuary]

nice you can craft maybe 2 weapons with that

good luck

[slow spade]

That's 100k spent 😔

I wish I had 100k in stock

[bitter turtle]

I wish you could sacrifice weapons to boost base stats by a few percent

That would still be grindy but alleviate rng at least

[delicate estuary]

but see thats not how the casino wants you to do things

[bitter turtle]

And make melk shop more attractive

[delicate estuary]

the house always wins

[bitter turtle]

😔

Like if ur at 79 dmg you still need to roll an 80 to boost it that last percent

[tall torrent]

does veteran's cover peeking talent work for braced weapons?

[bitter turtle]

To sac

[delicate estuary]

which sac

👀

[coral bloom]

Getting a very viable weapon is fairly easy (with the roll auto trash mod). Its just compounded when trying to get a new weapon that you dont even have blessings for.
God rolls are chase items, dont care, seems fine.

[delicate estuary]

god rolls is the only end game loop that exists atm

[agile forge]

Duty is its own reward.

[delicate estuary]

yea and look where that landed the imperium 💀

being afraid of orcs

[tall torrent]

does anyone know?

[coral bloom]

Playing games because you find them fun is the point.
Always weird when the game runs out of pats on the head and apparantly lacks content.

[delicate estuary]

thats cause it does lack content

expecially for a live service type game

[terse idol]

It's just been like 2 nearing 3 months

[delicate estuary]

more like 6 months

maps didnt add anything new other than that

[terse idol]

Whaaat

Oh come on

That's literally content

In November

Can't be nitpicking what is or isn't content smmh 🥹

[delicate estuary]

I can when they still havent fixed the camp spot in one of their new maps

every pub in existence refusing to have fun and spam pinging the entrance

[terse idol]

Oh on carnival

[delicate estuary]

are there any new maps ?

I mean one more

[terse idol]

Yeah,I mean that's a different issue

[delicate estuary]

but its whatever

[terse idol]

2 carnival maps, the boss fight

[delicate estuary]

they could have added a queue system for the twins

but no

you have to find premades

[terse idol]

Well

HuhM

?

[delicate estuary]

if I want to do hard mode twins

I need a premade

[terse idol]

You can quickl play queue

Oh

I mean that's normal

For a "raid" mode

[delicate estuary]

it shouldnt be

[terse idol]

But that's a fair ask

[delicate estuary]

there should be a queue system for that

instead of having ot ring bells

and get others on board

[terse idol]

Many games with mods like this don't have it

I will say queueing for secret hardmode will be

Pretty rough

Considering the pubs

[delicate estuary]

"secret"

nothing was secret

especially not anymore

[terse idol]

It was a secret because unless you knew what the bells did

[delicate estuary]

there should be a queue system for those types of things

entire difficulty of the game is pubs

and you are forcing a premade system

[terse idol]

And secret hard mode queue is just gonna be pub hell

But that's a valid critisim

[delicate estuary]

yes thats the point

people that want to premade can do premades