veteran-class

[terse idol]

The ripper

[finite imp]

what did they change

[terse idol]

Had a buff

Bruh

[frank ether]

I'm certain they are panicking over this right now

[onyx moss]

Cool. Is the activation any faster if you do it mid chain?

[frank ether]

so I expect a buggy release for whenever content comes

because it will be rushed

[terse idol]

How can you come in to shir on the QOL when you haven't read the qol

[finite imp]

they're probably all just playing helldivers 2 right now

[terse idol]

?????

[civic venture]

Helldivers 2 is a hellhole because they are suffering from success. They weren't expecting a huge player base because their last game only peaksed at like 5k-6k.

[finite imp]

Nothing got it.

[frank ether]

partially fault of the community too but its just a toxic relationship in general between fatshark and tide community

both parts have some big issues

[untold mulch]

Yeah, I hope they manage to get a semblance of control soon

[white minnow]

nah the timing is the same

[terse idol]

Yep this sounds like someone who likes darktide

[onyx moss]

😦

[finite imp]

Didn't you say you were leaving

[terse idol]

You love darktide

[untold mulch]

Imma be 100%

In general companies cultivate their community, Fatshark has fucked up enough for people to react this way instnatly

[finite imp]

Bro is gatekeeping my love for the game

[terse idol]

Absoloutely looove it

[finite imp]

seethe

[civic venture]

Well as much as I loved the class overhaul of DT. I still rememver the true dark times of 1st year DT.

[frank ether]

Its not that difficult to throw some bone to keep people occupied

[finite imp]

ive been here since the beta. Fml

[frank ether]

grindable aquillas could be a thing or just more penances, like weapon penances

there are many easy ways to add content wheel to keep people busy

they won't do any of it

[terse idol]

Me too!

[civic venture]

First year of DT was an absolute mess. Crafting was unfinished, bugs/glitches galore, class balance nonexistent, and more.

[finite imp]

welcome back. The negativity hasn't left yet tho bro

[terse idol]

I spent, 6 fucking months waiting for the Talent tree changes

My god

[frank ether]

wait

you were here waiting?

[terse idol]

Not here

I mean I was playing Bg3

[frank ether]

I forgot this game exists

[untold mulch]

I spent months since release for Recon fix

I am still waiting

[civic venture]

I've played since Beta and it was a nightmare. lol

[terse idol]

And before that I was playing something else

[finite imp]

i was gonna say you def love this game more than me if you waited that long

[onyx moss]

YOO THEY FIXXED RECON LASGUN SHOCKTROOPER?

[civic venture]

tbh, the only thing that kept this game relevant to me nowadays is because of Jesper Kyd haha

[frank ether]

Its still drinking ammo like a bolter

[terse idol]

I'm here exactly in the same boat as you are, I'm just not gonna sit here and mald for days on end

[onyx moss]

Same

[untold mulch]

Its somewhat better

not meme supposedly

[frank ether]

who would have thought when you shoot things for 3 seconds for them to die you use a lot of ammo

[onyx moss]

My first endgame roll was a Recon Lasgun and it's been one of my favorite things but it always felt a little off with Shocktrooper.

[terse idol]

still meme because the damage is still bad

[civic venture]

if it weren't for this game's god emperor tier soundtrack. I would have moved on...

[terse idol]

but at least it MIGHT BE ammo positive now

[frank ether]

I don't think darktide dev team can make this math that when you nerf a guns damage output (numbers not rof) that will also increase ammo consumption but yet separately nerfed that too anyway

[onyx moss]

tbf, I can kill a crusher in like, half a second of sustained fire... granted that's a quarter of a second longer than a good plasma but then, what isn't?

[frank ether]

To be fair to them P13 rending was stupid

I don't miss that

[terse idol]

gonna be real, I kinda find that hard to believe 🥹

[frank ether]

but like they nerfed a bunch of weapons for that

[terse idol]

Considering the CIAG does it better

[frank ether]

for absolutely no good reason

[onyx moss]

CIAG?

Sorry, not up to date on my community terms.

[terse idol]

Wait, how do you kill a crusher in half a second with the recon

Columnus Infantry autogun

[onyx moss]

Oh, yeah. makes sense

[atomic zephyr]

holy shit recon shock trooper fixed?

[frank ether]

how do you kill crusher in half a second lmao

[untold mulch]

Is better, not by much but a bit better

[atomic zephyr]

aw

I’ll take what we can get ig

[junior grail]

Recon might be fun again. Meta? Unlikely. Fun? Maybe.

[frank ether]

helbore doesnt kill crushers in half a second

[onyx moss]

Half a second if I'm at at least 10 stacks of Con Fire...

[slow spade]

From 231k damage to 331k 💪

[atomic zephyr]

okay that’s a pretty solid increase

[terse idol]

On Damnation?

[onyx moss]

Yep

[terse idol]

[junior grail]

Anyone played around with powerswords yet? Doesnt sound like they changed in terms of playstyle all too much

[white minnow]

yeah an inconsequential change

[slow spade]

Did you want me to DM my profile pic or a pic of my darktide char?

Also I like you too Ulgo c:

[slow spade]

Non-power cycler users may like it

[hoary horizon]

Heeheehee thank you! Character

[onyx moss]

So, Recon Lasgun with crit chance and crit chance on headshot (forget the name)... Run Executioner's stance with Con Fire up to 15 stacks and rending above 10, have at least 10 stacks, have both the bonus weakspot damage and bonus weakspot damage on ability use talents, run Onslaught, pop Executioner's and facemelt the poor bastard.

[spare lance]

for the Emperor man

[onyx moss]

I have to get a little lucky with my crits and get crits every 2-3 shots but I can very easily facemelt a Crusher in half a second with mostly headshots

[terse idol]

As Craime said earlier

[onyx moss]

It's amazing.

[terse idol]

It's gonna help console players

[white minnow]

how so?

[terse idol]

could make gameplay smoother

[frank ether]

what is ''con fire'' dude isn't that marksman focus

[white minnow]

besides reaching the l4 earlier on every other activation

it's just an animation change p much

[frank ether]

why does everyone make up their own name for marksman focus

[onyx moss]

Yeah that one, thank you.

[white minnow]

which is still nice for game feel

[frank ether]

I think its an issue on dev naming

[white minnow]

but in terms of practical gameplay, it changes nothing

[frank ether]

cause no one seems to remember its name

[onyx moss]

Because two of the Keystones are named basically the same thing and I can't be bothered to remember the button I clicked to make me kill stuff.

[frank ether]

yea

[terse idol]

Sadge

🥹

[frank ether]

I'm not gonna run

executioner+15 stack marksman though

[white minnow]

the timing is at most negligibly different

[terse idol]

Also what the, I've never heard MF called concentrate

[white minnow]

i was comparing the chaining activation w/o pc3/4 and qq cancelling special spam and it was roughly the same time

[terse idol]

Unless you're calling Focus Target

"concentrate"

[tiny summit]

None of the MF nodes even have concentrate in the name

[terse idol]

I'm very confused

Like I sometimes called Focus Target MF... well FT and MF

But where is concentrate

[onyx moss]

Idk man, I play a game that has Concetrate Fire as an effect all the time and between that, Marksman's Focus and Focus Fire...

[frank ether]

Idk dude at that much gun juice even laspistol starts killing crushers fast

I don't see people keeping that up

I play so much quickplay

[onyx moss]

Probably. I just like being able to hose down a horde of ragers in a few seconds.

[tiny summit]

None of the keystones even use "concentrate"

[frank ether]

and once in a while we get an exec veteran

he uses executioner

lasts less than 10 seconds

[onyx moss]

It's not very good at anything else, but it's very good at melting targets.

[frank ether]

and then they end up mediocre because

they spent

22 points into a gun

that they can only use if the stars align

[onyx moss]

lol

[frank ether]

like you gotta build stacks

find a crusher with the stacks up

[onyx moss]

Yeah, sadge

[frank ether]

then have executioner

its just rough

I just take onslaught on recon

and take some melee stuff to juice the build

[onyx moss]

I usually have Exec available though. I grab the talent for ability refresh on Elite kill and it gives me so much more uptime in Auric Lvl 5s

[frank ether]

everyone does

[onyx moss]

Ik, I'm just saying that hard carrys the lasgun.

[frank ether]

you'd have no uptime at all without the refresh

it should be baked in

it should have always been baked in but they tax a point for it

[onyx moss]

I'll admit though, I suck at aiming and usually don't have enough MF stacks to get the bonus rending.

But when I do I start ripping through stuff faster than I can even react.

[tiny summit]

Rending at only 10+ stacks is dumb

When I can get 10% rending in the middle tree

[slow spade]

Got it, I'll dm you when I get home c: currently at work lol

[frank ether]

bad keystone anyway

[onyx moss]

True, but the rest of the tree leading up to it is what makes it good.

[thick rose]

they updated the arena defense on that carnival map

[frank ether]

I've never seen anyone running that build do better than me

[thick rose]

added a couple spawn fences back where you come in

so even if oyu stand deep in that area to defend enemies still spawn

[frank ether]

I take like precision+deadshot, exit left tree and outdamage someone who spent 20+ points investing into ranged finesse

this is a silly game

[thick rose]

and a lot more now, basic packs instead of just specials

seems like a good change. little less brain dead.

[onyx moss]

I need to go that way anyways for the weakspot damage, weakspot ability damage, and Shock Trooper.

[frank ether]

shock troop kinda mandatory on that gun anyway

but you save a point not taking deadshot

[tiny summit]

Kinda ass that all these mods don't stay applied while Exe is up

[frank ether]

so you can just take that and leave left tree

%25 ammo is also good because it increases your survivalist returns

[frank ether]

wouldn't be a problem if exe was a use and forget kind of ult instead of upkeep

these damage nodes are like

all dead tax for exec

[tiny summit]

I like the idea of keeping it rolling. I hate the numbers

[frank ether]

Idk I don't like the idea

it goes against the game design

this is a game that spawns enemies really close to you

[tiny summit]

Imo
5s and kill refresh
Longer base and kill for Xs

[frank ether]

and many combat sections are endless enemies pouring from all directions

ranged only upkeep ult is kinda not fun

a lot of those sections I dont even get to use that ultimate

[tiny summit]

Doesn't really go against the game design when in every match there's positions to avoid being in a mosh pit

[frank ether]

lmao yea you tell yourself that

[tiny summit]

Also when the intent of the skill is priority targets

Yea...because it happens every game

I run Exe primarily

[frank ether]

I'd like to see your amazing positioning in twins fight btw

[indigo needle]

this is meme material also, i don't see a problem with the ogryn choosing the rock beside the crate instead of literal grenades

[frank ether]

since thats like the general mapping philosophy

donut arena, enemies everywhere

[tiny summit]

chooses the 1 standout mission as an argument

[slow spade]

That's easy, behind my 3 other allies UwU

[frank ether]

1 stand out? are you real

what is the carnival arena

[tiny summit]

Yea I am for real

[frank ether]

if not for the little corner you camp

you'd never get to use exec, ever

[tiny summit]

Plenty of times to have the gun out and having Exe rolling

[onyx moss]

Sure but that's exactly what they're saying, almost every fight has that "one little corner you camp."

[terse idol]

The Guard doesn't put rocks into the grenade boxes

also like you can very easily waste grenades by picking rocks out of the grenade box to be fai

And that's the difference between someone having 0 grenades or an ogryn that can cook grenades every so many seconds

[indigo needle]

but funny rock

my headcanon is the ogryn sees a box of grenades and chooses the rock besides the crate

[finite imp]

how to cook rock

[terse idol]

[indigo needle]

[faint beacon]

Just got to read the patch notes, the attack changes on the Power Swords crazy at all?

[frank ether]

Ascension Riser end bit (the easiest)
hab dreyko end event
carnival arena
twins hm
chasm logistratum end event
smelter complex end event

I'd like to see you keeping it up in these sections in actual hi-int

[tiny summit]

From reading QoL. Energize, swing, energize, attack chain is retained

[tiny summit]

Yea I do

[frank ether]

but sure I'm ''nitpicking the one exception''

[tiny summit]

Like...what is this?

Twins is the standout that I wouldn't bring Exe

You're talking to the dipshit who primarily runs Exe

[faint beacon]

From what I read it's more so they're encouraging mixing up energize combos instead of Heavy or light spam

I think

[terse idol]

Naww

[slow spade]

I interpret it as giving non-power cyclers an easier time

[terse idol]

I gotta test it

Yeah

[slow spade]

I haven't tested

At work :c

[tiny summit]

This

[faint beacon]

Look they changed the Mk3

[tiny summit]

This is the use scenario it probably affects the most

[slow spade]

Though they should make heavy attacks worth it for the psword

Idk why you ever would outside of mk3

[frank ether]

I'm sorry you make up a point you prove it

like I can not keep exec up in those sections for meaningful uptime regardless because I have to pick up my melee weapon and actually get shit done before my team crumbles

I don't see how having higher uptime changes that, the ability is gone the moment you weapon swap

[tiny summit]

I didn't though. It's easy keeping it rolling in most sections of the game. Idk man you coming here with your personal issues is a piss poor argument

[frank ether]

Its easy keeping anything rolling in most sections of the game

if your build crumbles under pressure its not good design

[tiny summit]

Kinda done though, we get it you don't like Exe

[frank ether]

this is a game about pressure

its all its about

no we're having a talk, its a good talk

[terse idol]

I'm always mega conflicted about Exe, because on one hand it offers a unique anti-ranged gameplay

[timid otter]

Isnt exe stance easy to keep up under pressure?

[terse idol]

no

[timid otter]

Just shoot the things coming, keep the dodges up

[terse idol]

I mean because if you have say an Infantry lasgun, you reload and you only ahve 1 or 2 seconds left to make up another shot to keep exe up

[frank ether]

again, all talk

no gameplay

[coral bloom]

If I talent it to hightlight trash ranged I find it easy to keep up.

[timid otter]

Well we literary played yesterday

:p

[frank ether]

I made a massive ass list of very specific sections, some of which rather easy to do tbh

[faint beacon]

I'm just reading this trying to figure out if it's extremely helpful or hurtful. So far I think it's more helpful but I'll have to test some of it when I'm home

[slow spade]

At the very least, it shouldn't negatively impact pswords

[faint beacon]

Oh absolutely

That's great it won't

[slow spade]

Watch it break the animation canceling for pswords UwU

[hollow ibex]

i kinda wished we got a balance pass on some of the bad weapons this patch

[frank ether]

its psword anyway nothing of value is lost

[faint beacon]

I honestly welcome spicing up attack pattern combos if that's what it's doing

[slow spade]

I'm happy they tried to fix a lot of the non-balance issues

Like trappers and shooters

[hollow ibex]

yeah

that's great

[frank ether]

it doesnt really adress the problems with psword

Honestly Idk what it even does

[faint beacon]

Fair, been using the MkIII Shovel a bit lately

[frank ether]

shovel is fun

[slow spade]

It does its best c:

[terse idol]

the issue especially on Auric damn is like... I dunno, there's always alot of elites, which is great, but also alot of melee chaf, none of which will help you keep up exe for loong

It' also suffers alot on bosses

[quaint valve]

Anyone free to grab a quick clip? I'm so curious

[faint beacon]

I've yet to have any gripes or issues with each Mk/Standard shovel, they all have a certain role I use them for

[timid otter]

Auric damn usally has specials 24/7

[terse idol]

If exe was 10 seconds, that'd be better but as is it's struggles

[white minnow]

https://streamable.com/8qfq23

[terse idol]

yes

[white minnow]

it's neither

it's an inconsequential change

[terse idol]

The issue is that you'll get bogged down by melee chaff alot

[faint beacon]

Give me six hours and I'll do it

[white minnow]

the timings are still the same

[terse idol]

and even 1 meleeing you will make it hard to actually hit your next shot

[timid otter]

Ye thats i guess the differnence between you and me.

[white minnow]

only thing is that the mk6 gets a bit messed up on the combo but you can block cancel to reset back to l1

and pswords having no timing penalty for blocking

[terse idol]

[white minnow]

so pretty nothingburgers change

[faint beacon]

So it's energizing again simply just changes it's pattern

[white minnow]

besides a neat animation

ye

[faint beacon]

That's it

I mean I'll take it even though it does nothing

[white minnow]

prolly just groundwork for a future psword change

[tall torrent]

technically a nerf because PS6 can't power up into L1 > L2 (both are perfect horizontal)

[faint beacon]

I like flair when killing heretics

[white minnow]

albeit a very minor nerf cuz you can block to loop back into l1 and mk6 being the psword where you can shorten the activation with a block

[tall torrent]

now you get powerup > L2 > L3

[white minnow]

so it changes nothing if you invest a little bit of apm

[terse idol]

Look Wilmer all it takes is like

One scenerio where gunners just take cover

Gunnahs do that too

Exe caann be difficult to keep up under preassure while literally any other ult is like

Pretty applicable

[slow spade]

I wonder what the MK3 psword users think

[terse idol]

in all these

[tiny summit]

Nothing more deflating popping Exe and it's all bruisers

[terse idol]

yeeeep

And that's the issue

The other ults are...

Pop and forget, or do something

[quaint valve]

So recon las works again?

[terse idol]

Exe out here, we struggling with 5 seconds

To get value

[slow spade]

Better than before, viable now with Shocktrooper

From 20% -> 100% effectiveness I hope

[tiny summit]

Exe is just ass whenever a monstronsity pops up. 5s for any weapon that isn't bolter or revolver feels like a bad joke

Woo. I guess

[quaint valve]

Well that's nice, may actually hop back in during this content drought 😆

[slow spade]

I wouldn't bring Recon into a maelstrom still

[tiny summit]

Do it

I will

[slow spade]

Lol

[tiny summit]

But I need to play my gachas and tekken

[slow spade]

I'll stay in normal aurics this weekend :p

[terse idol]

Oooh at least my Weapon spec with smoke build got ALOT better

[tiny summit]

Instead of playing "less ass recon"

[terse idol]

Smoke users

FEASTING rn

[tiny summit]

We hotboxing the hive this patch

[slow spade]

"Smoke grenade actually works now"

[faint beacon]

Smoke grenades, it's honestly so nice to see they FINALLY do their job effectively now

[tiny summit]

Gunners won't see shit and neither will my team

[terse idol]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-perfectlybalanced-gif-18301221

[faint beacon]

Don't forget snipers won't either

Fucking god snipers were the sole reason I never really used smokes

[tiny summit]

Bringing it to vent purge sniper gauntlet

[faint beacon]

How they just didn't care

[terse idol]

Vent purge when the smoke gets extra thick

The Sniper:

[tiny summit]

I heard you needed more vent purge in your vent purge

[faint beacon]

So we threw 3+ smoke grenades to remove your eyesight

They just happened to get very lucky and each throw duped smokes

[tiny summit]

Twin smokes is so funny

Because it's just so useless

[dawn garnet]

🤔 how annoying would it be if i bind tag to my attack button?

[tiny summit]

Need a mega cloud when it happens

[faint beacon]

It's so... Completely useless yet I want to do it

[tiny summit]

Very

[dawn garnet]

BUT is it worth it

[tiny summit]

No

[faint beacon]

Slamming my head against my desk when I'm trying to concentrate and the person ahead starts spam pinging a rager horde I'm trying to snipe

[tiny summit]

Toss up between: want to leave when I notice it happening or I have something playing on YouTube on the 2nd monitor

[dawn garnet]

you will take the extra 1% damage and you will love it

[faint beacon]

The strong urge not to type out "Creeds Swagger stop spam pinging karker"

[tall torrent]

ok uh the power swords are weird now

if u block cancel activation it still chains to L1 > L2 > L3

[dawn garnet]

ok the spam isnt horrible with torrent fire

[hidden summit]

So how legit is the plasma visual fix?

[frank ether]

Its just always gonna feel like worse scrier no matter what I think

easier time would help but thats like, not adressing the problem its adressing the symptom

[indigo needle]

THE GODS LISTENED!

[frank ether]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/653324168988721162/1209906186871242812/the-only-redeeming-quality-of-helbore-lasguns-reduced-to-v0-pf9yygx37yjc1.png?ex=65e89ff1&is=65d62af1&hm=d8944a6fb72e2b6bf3bea04b1c6806f43a52786868c7b54b85d6fa3ec05bdba5&

my day be so good and then boom, fatshark

[indigo needle]

GODS GIVETH AND TAKETH AWAY

[faint beacon]

We weep on days like these

[frank ether]

I just

[terse idol]

[frank ether]

what the fuck am I even supposed to do with the helbore 3 bayo now lmao

[terse idol]

Uh

Mk3 in the Garbage

[frank ether]

just give me a bash instead

[terse idol]

I'll be real

[frank ether]

like for real fatshark

give me a bash

I dont mind

we get it you dont want ranged weapons to have good melee components

[terse idol]

If it was already mid even with BM, now wheeeeewww

[frank ether]

just give me a bash

oh cool this is like

5 stages of grief

[indigo needle]

y'all abuse the bayonent that bad?

[frank ether]

what abuse

helbore 3 never had a good bayonet

[terse idol]

Okay to be fair

Mk1 and Mk2

With BM

I dunno if I say that wasn't abuse

But the mk3 bayo was always pretty bad

[frank ether]

yeah burn the ship instead of fixing the dumb attack speed on that

very cool

[terse idol]

Did they fix the infinity cleave on zealot throwing knife with the shotgun blessing

[junior needle]

Bayonet enjoyers on suicide watch

[pearl belfry]

what's the deal with the new special weapon activation on power swords. it seems weird, is it just a way to make power cycler less mandatory?

[terse idol]

seems like it

[muted knot]

Not really tbh

[terse idol]

damn

[muted knot]

Like you don't seem to win much

[terse idol]

We cannot figure this out

[white minnow]

the timings are still the same as before

it's p much only an animation change so far besides attack chain stuff

[indigo needle]

its jover for them

the bayonent still stuns enemies so it can't be that bad

and you can still spam so it can't be that bad

[faint beacon]

Yes, I'll get the image rq

[terse idol]

Its pretty bad

Considering the other bayos are jlstill beyyrr

[tiny summit]

Me using bayonet and it still being very effective w/o BM

[serene bough]

goodbye bayonet shenanigans

[faint beacon]

@terse idol realized this might be a buff instead after reading it again

[serene bough]

you'll be missed

[terse idol]

Oh no yeah that's a buff for sure

Bayonet users not getting a crumb

Infinite throwing knife users still feasting

[tiny summit]

Uh where in that do you see a buff? It basically says the restriction is now the buff has to be active when fired instead of firing a projectile and it gets a buff mid flight

[frank ether]

I dont see a buff either

[terse idol]

Oh

[tiny summit]

It's fatshark patchwork though so who knows if it is working properly on how they intended now

[faint beacon]

Hopefully

Cause the infinite cleave throwing knives were stupid

[white minnow]

knife railgun is still in the game

since the shotgun is equipped when you throw the knife

[tiny summit]

But technically a buff because it means the projectile doesn't lose its buff if it times out on the player

[dawn garnet]

infinite ammo is also stupid but survivalist is still in the game

[serene bough]

any other standout changes besides bayonet nerf

[faint beacon]

They did patch out that stacking with the stock one so it got nerfed

[serene bough]

well, bromentum fix indirectly nerfing bayonet

[tiny summit]

DH only kills 1

Stay losing heretics

[junior needle]

Shocktrooper works on crit strings again, supposedly. But the recons still have their drastically reduced string length.

[flint garden]

Smoke nade op now trust

[junior needle]

So once again they've refused to directly buff recons

[hollow ibex]

tbf

[frank ether]

give up

[serene bough]

recon will just suffer

[hollow ibex]

this wasn't really a balance patch

copium~2

[frank ether]

this is more than I was expecting

personally

[frank ether]

what patch was it then

no serious question

[tiny summit]

They never said it was. It's patch 17 and it was "new years cleaning"

[hollow ibex]

yeah basically

just random shit

[serene bough]

from the look of the notes it's mostly a tuning patch

[frank ether]

more like a hotfix really

[junior needle]

So uh, the power sword change doesn't let you get a free weapon charge in the middle of a chain like I thought

[frank ether]

calling it a patch is generous

[near sable]

[woeful hare]

FS loves not fixing problems.

[frank ether]

Idk what it even does, as in, what purpose does it serve

I can not comprehend obese fish's galaxy brain game design

[tiny summit]

Retaining attack chain from what I read

[wanton dawn]

buffing non pc ?

[white minnow]

it seems to just be an incomplete change so far that's setting the groundwork for something later

it's a change introduced by crab so i'm expectant of it

[tiny summit]

Copium

[white minnow]

crab is the same person who reworked the crusher

[frank ether]

maybe? but I wouldn't even bother using psword without pc

[white minnow]

so i'd say i have pretty fair grounds to have some faith

[tiny summit]

What was the crusher like before?

[white minnow]

significantly slower attack speed

[frank ether]

you know what I felt like going on a bit about how its fixing a symptom

not the core issue

[wanton dawn]

Buffing non pc is a good change though

[white minnow]

imagine the thunder hammer levels of attack speed

[frank ether]

but I'll stop myself

[white minnow]

and significantly worse normals

[tiny summit]

Hope is the first step to disappointment

[frank ether]

and go eat some nice food

[slow spade]

A non-threat lol

[wanton dawn]

Crusher could be staggered by ps

[tiny summit]

Sounded like it was ass

[slow spade]

Maulers had top kills for a reason

[frank ether]

if it does that yes, but I dont think it achieves that really

[slow spade]

Crushers were just ammo sink

[frank ether]

like you're not gonna want to run non-pc powersword either way no?

[white minnow]

yeah it was such complete shit

[frank ether]

maybe I'm wrong but I dont think so

[white minnow]

and then crab and skele recommended some changes to fatshark that made it the way it is now

is pretty nice

[slow spade]

Sunder + Slaughterer 🤔

[wanton dawn]

The point is: normalizing non pc vs pc performance is a good change

[frank ether]

whats the value of sunder without pc4

[serene bough]

nice

[tiny summit]

Pour one out for the bros with 3 pages of PSs and now PC4

[slow spade]

Funny

[tall torrent]

Sunder + BM for maximum funny

[slow spade]

I like the way you think

[frank ether]

I'd rather try

bm+slaughterer on psword 3

for the funny longsword experience

[wanton dawn]

It is like pc3: not a buff, but a good change

[terse idol]

Careful, the new play styles, THEYRE WORKING

[frank ether]

fair point

[tall torrent]

smoke is based?

[terse idol]

Stefoni... gossip

[serene bough]

very good love lore/world building tidbits

[tall torrent]

finally I can say frag > smoke > krak and it's not a hot take

[wanton dawn]

Krak is still bae against monstro

[tiny summit]

Gunners can't see shit. Snipers can't see shit. And neither can your team

[serene bough]

i am curious to try the new smonks

[trim steppe]

"Changed the number of players the Daemonhost kills before leaving to 1 across all difficulties"

[serene bough]

it'll be good for melee oriented teams i guess, although hard to say if shredder frags still nullify smokes

[tiny summit]

4 krak vets vs monstronsities is funny

[wanton dawn]

Unironically good change

[low lava]

I guess power sword 6 is technically a buff since you can chain into the activation faster and block cancel it to go back to horizontal swings lol

[faint beacon]

The more smokes the better, fucking hotbox your entire team

[tall torrent]

This is a great change

[tiny summit]

Hell yea brother

[wanton dawn]

2 dh kill was funzzy but there was room for griefing

[tall torrent]

They also made it so you can’t accidentally proc DH through concrete walls with AoE stagger abilities (taunt, VoC)

[serene bough]

unironcially tossing infinite smokes and invalidating ranged enemies seems like a valid strategy

[trim steppe]

We'll have less time to kill it now but since monstrosities dont give anything for beating them it doesnt matter, just a good change

[terse idol]

I kinda hope they make the daemon host a tiny bit squishier so it's more akin to its l4d counterpart

[faint beacon]

Absolutely, I've died from intentional DH griefing a few times

[wanton dawn]

Id rather dh be stronger

[terse idol]

[wanton dawn]

Like a real punishment

[tiny summit]

Make it a threat

[slow spade]

4 player kill

[tiny summit]

It's less of a threat now

[tall torrent]

Now it’s like
If some random jackass on my team procs a DH I can truly just leave them to die

[terse idol]

The issue I see is like, you accidentally trigger it and people just let you die

[wanton dawn]

Nah, corruption is enough

[slow spade]

Daemonhost patrols

[tiny summit]

Now when someone trigger it : "leave em"

[faint beacon]

Okay which side of DH buffing are you on, more damage or more corruption

[wanton dawn]

Thats the point

[wanton dawn]

Both

[terse idol]

Even on accident though? 🥹

[white minnow]

on the other hand, there was the meta of running away in hopes you weren't the 2nd target

[serene bough]

yeah because fighting it builds up corruption and there's no reward for killing them

[terse idol]

The patch notes suggests "griefing"

[white minnow]

now, you can help kill the dh without worrying about being the next target

[low lava]

Fixed an issue where “Brutal Momentum” was kept active while wielding a range weapon.

Dev note: The effect of the blessing would be applied to the melee attacks available on ranged weapons, like bashes or bayonet stabs.

[serene bough]

arguably it's better to just fall back and let both of them die so you can respawn your allies

[low lava]

RIP spear

[wanton dawn]

I want ppl to watch where they walk

[terse idol]

It doesnt suggest that this is punishing accidental activations which doo happen

[slow spade]

The problem is there's literally no reason to kill dh unless you're a Zealot

[low lava]

bad patch

[terse idol]

Also because flashlights trigger the DH because ????

[slow spade]

Because funny 1-hit kill build

[trim steppe]

This one is amazing too: "Fixed cases where the Scab Trapper could shoot through fences / grates or other transparent barriers."

[wanton dawn]

There 0 reason to kill anything that has no aggro

[slow spade]

Ah but boss damage on my scoreboard 💪💪💪

[tiny summit]

Now I just need them to not fire through crusher parties

[wanton dawn]

Based

[terse idol]

Also "adjusted sounds"

[serene bough]

someone explain please

bulwakrs now eaiser to stagger?

[faint beacon]

Had me jumping up and down

[wanton dawn]

It had some jank

[slow spade]

Shield eats shots when it shouldn't

Made non-plasma builds feel bad

[faint beacon]

The amount of cheeky trapper snipe's through gates and walls that have gotten me murdered by pox hordes

[terse idol]

Maybe next patch is balance patch to nerf pgun

[slow spade]

Because you got the stagger yet can't do shit

[trim steppe]

the animation would show their shield down but it would still block shots during a stagger, supposedly thats fixed

[serene bough]

oh so when they wobble forward you can actually hurt them more easily

i see

thanks

[slow spade]

Indeed

Honestly I like it a lot

[tiny summit]

Shredder pistol stocks are gonna rise next patch. Believe it

[slow spade]

Should make bulwark patrols less of a pain

[trim steppe]

"Removed push force applied from shots by Scab/Dreg Shooters and Scab/Dreg Gunners."

And this, I thought it said "reduced" but it says "removed"‼️

[serene bough]

honestly i hope they don't nerf the power too much and just return the risk factor of using it

[wanton dawn]

Gunner too ?!

[slow spade]

Indeed honestly idk why people don't like the patch

That change alone is godsent

[terse idol]

Because its not a content patch

[serene bough]

its plasma i expect it to decimate threats, but having basically no THP/HP damage on venting just makes it too safe to use

[wanton dawn]

Only reaper pushes now then

[cunning field]

Smoke grenades finally useful?

[terse idol]

[tiny summit]

I think the pgun dmg is fine but yea there should be some risk and some actual weight of choice between tap and charge fire

[terse idol]

Its a QOL patch

[slow spade]

Smh they will take what the Emperor allows

[trim steppe]

makes sense to me honestly

[wanton dawn]

MAH BAYONET THOUGH

[visual horizon]

So this never gave a speed increasing when rezzing. I should try it again stacking rez speed curios

[serene bough]

rest in peace craime

[terse idol]

[serene bough]

no more spear

[wanton dawn]

Ill try it still though

[terse idol]

The zealot throwing knife infinite cleave gets to live but the bayonet dies this day

[slow spade]

Yeah its part of why no one ran revive builds

[trim steppe]

The number of times I got completely locked down and killed 3m in front of a gunner because the pushback was so strong I couldnt move at all

[faint beacon]

Sad day truly

[slow spade]

Medic Vet should feel better now

[tiny summit]

I ran this a few times. Handicap build

[faint beacon]

I've been wanting to desperately make a Medic Vet

[junior needle]

New shredder model introduced: It's better than the old one in every way so you have to grind again

[terse idol]

Ooh I can try to run no one left behind and 3 revive speed curios to instantly get people out of nets

[slow spade]

Hopefully at least lol

[tiny summit]

Exe MF Shredder Pistol

[tall torrent]

Medic vet?
U mean gloryhunter plasma enjoyer?

[terse idol]

Shredder pistol, but its the bolt pistol

😌

[serene bough]

i ran revive speed + leave nobody behind a long time ago, it's great if you're team is a bunch of drunk puppies who can't fight off 4 poxwalkers and go down all the time

[wanton dawn]

Ambulance vet

[tiny summit]

Heavy Shredder Pistol that acts like a bolt pistol. No bolt pistol for you

[serene bough]

in other words, less great if your team has any level of competency

[idle swallow]

Wut happened to bayonet

[terse idol]

Can't use BM with it anymore

[trim steppe]

"Fixed an issue with ‘Shock Trooper’ talent causing rapid fire weapons to consume ammo during Critical Strikes."

Is this walking back the recon nerf or is this fixing a bug and the recon is still dead?

[wanton dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/fade-away-oooooooooooo-aga-emoji-crumble-gif-20008708

[terse idol]

It will not inherit BM

[faint beacon]

Iirc the heavy shredder was going to be a burst pistol

[terse idol]

Shock trooper is fixed seemingly

[tall torrent]

I unironically think grenade tinkerer is a great pickup for smoke

[terse idol]

So it will give you ammo back on crit chains with thebrecon

[serene bough]

what does it do again

[tiny summit]

Make it burst...but also make the burst have so much kick that all shots after the first are off target

[serene bough]

smoke durration and radius?

[tall torrent]

Go from 15s smoke duration to 30s

[terse idol]

The bacon gun even

[tall torrent]

Yes you get to say “don’t shoot” for 30s

[terse idol]

I just always ran it, but now there's real justification to not run it now

[faint beacon]

I just know they're planning to make the heavy shredder a 5 round burst with ADS

[trim steppe]

Recon clinging to life then! Still probably not good but not completely dead

[terse idol]

15s with no shooting and even better on 30s with no shooting

[tiny summit]

No longer trolling

[serene bough]

vape god vet

Vet really does get all the best builds

[terse idol]

It does theoretically mean the recon is pretty good for horde shooting

[serene bough]

well, used to get all the best, RIP bayonet skewer spam

[tiny summit]

Yea but "horde shooting bad"

[faint beacon]

Pick up the revival shout and then its back to trolling

[idle swallow]

vape naysh bouta rise up fr ong

[tiny summit]

Smh I upload the vape nation run, now I gotta do it again

[tall torrent]

Tinkerer for frags is a sizeable boost in area of effect but the dmg bonus is almost negligible

Tinkerer for smokes DOUBLES the duration and allows u to ignore gunners, shotgunners, reapers, all mass shooters & snipers for 30 seconds

[slow spade]

Do the twin nades do anything?

[serene bough]

horde shooting is okay if you got a narrow corridor and the enemy is at a longe range, not so great if you're face to face

[tiny summit]

Yea. There's a second smoke that lands like 3 feet away from the other

Or 1 hits geometry or an enemy and you get a bit more distance

[terse idol]

Theoretically could increase smoke size by 5%

[faint beacon]

You're making me consider a smoke grenade build just cause of how enticing that sounds

[frank ether]

lmao

[serene bough]

smoke venn diagram meta

[wanton dawn]

Twice the smoke

[trim steppe]

This is the real best change of the patch: "Music for ambush hordes have been re-added after receiving community feedback." 🎶 🎶 🎶

[tiny summit]

Do it. Smokes are underwhelming to dmg but hey it was funny seeing dogs, mutants and trappers run into the smoke cloud and lose tracking

[faint beacon]

The just give up

"H-Huh... Where he go"

[tiny summit]

Mutant charged in, lost tracking, stared into the wall

[wanton dawn]

WWWAAAAAAAaaaaaarrrr....?

[junior needle]

Don't gunners and reapers keep shooting into the smoke, and snipers just don't care?

[faint beacon]

You'd think a simple swap with the shredder grenadier build would make it or needing to make a completely new build

[idle swallow]

proof that heresy causes you to lose the concept of object permanence

[trim steppe]

"Smoke Grenades should now stop enemies from shooting through the smoke instantly and prevent Scab Snipers from taking aim and shooting through the smoke."

[tiny summit]

But bring it to the vent purge enhanced blitz

6 smokes

[faint beacon]

Oh my god

[junior needle]

Should

[faint beacon]

And with the chance to dupe frags

12 SMOKES

[wanton dawn]

Forgot improvised field

[faint beacon]

Oh God it only gets better worse

[trim steppe]

Anyone have context for this one? I didn't know it was bugged:

"Fixed issue where Veteran base Aura “Scavenger” was stacking with the upgraded “Survivalist” Aura."

[wanton dawn]

96 SMOKE

[trim steppe]

Survivalist "nerf"?

[faint beacon]

WE'RE HOTBOXING ATOMA WITH THIS UPDATE

[wanton dawn]

Nah, the base aura. From bot

[trim steppe]

Ahhhh ok gotcha

[slow spade]

If you have 4 smoke vets, is it possible to just turn off shooting 🤔

[faint beacon]

Veteran mains after the smokes finally got tweaked

[tiny summit]

You had survivalist. Someone leaves. The bot with base scavenger would stack

[faint beacon]

Look I'm just saying we're eating good now with the smokes

[slow spade]

1.75% ammo regen is fair and balanced

In fact all ammo auras should stack

[tiny summit]

Survivalist baked into every character

[trim steppe]

4% ammo back every kill

[slow spade]

As intended

Kill a trapper -> suddenly full plasma restored

[tiny summit]

Exe MF Recon with Smokes

And non PC4 power sword

[slow spade]

Whoa now calm down

[tiny summit]

Gotta get the true patch 17 experience

[tall torrent]

The patch said it’ll stop ranged enemies shooting through the smoke instantly

[slow spade]

Supposedly at least

[faint beacon]

The "I'm not like the rest of the veterans" build

[terse idol]

Well like soldier said

[slow spade]

I somehow doubt it'll be perfectly functional

[terse idol]

Should™️

[trim steppe]

Smoke and everything else aside, I think the Daemonhost and Gunner/Shotgunner changes are the biggest alterations to gameplay. Fairly big changes.

[terse idol]

Please don't be bugged!

[faint beacon]

I'm going to weep if smokes are bugged

[tiny summit]

A cry for help

[faint beacon]

Cause Ive been wanting a reason to use them

[slow spade]

Psykers are eating good with the buff changes

[terse idol]

A small price to pay

[slow spade]

Uncanny strike -> fire alll assails

100% rending assail shards

[trim steppe]

Is that how that's gonna work now? I was wondering about that change

[tiny summit]

Decimator stacks into Assail?

[slow spade]

At least I think it should, again can't test :c

[white minnow]

nah it doesn't work like that

[faint beacon]

That's going to be disgusting against Maulers and Crushers

[white minnow]

can't use uncanny with assail anymore

[slow spade]

Really?

Aww

[white minnow]

yeah

since your duelling sword isn't equipped when you throw your assail shards

[tiny summit]

Oh yea

[white minnow]

it's not like zealot knives

[slow spade]

Pain 😔

[faint beacon]

True

[trim steppe]

yeah thats how I read the change

[slow spade]

Oh well can't meme with assail

[tiny summit]

Until psyker blitz and melee weapon are dual wielded

[faint beacon]

Trying to think what would be good with Shredders and Kraks

[muted knot]

That would be so sick

[faint beacon]

Combo wise with blessings

[tall torrent]

Frag enjoyers keep winning (our only real dmg source is bleed)

[trim steppe]

I dont think that will work, since you have to put your weapon away to throw nades

[tall torrent]

Bleed still gets impacted by blessing & perks like normal

[faint beacon]

Realized would Fire Frenzy/DumDum even work?

[slow spade]

Ping keystone for damage UwU

[clever niche]

Anyone got lowered fps post update?

[tall torrent]

Frags are just good in general (most of the dmg is bleed), perks are most relevant but some blessings can help (uncanny strike, pinning fire, etc)

[wanton dawn]

Try with thunderous coward

[junior needle]

Odds are good we aren't getting actual content for at least a month, probably more

[junior needle]

Why wouldn't they?

[slow spade]

True

[faint beacon]

You telling me I can use my shovel with uncanny and make my frags more stupid

[junior needle]

yes

Uncanny lingers on you as a buff

[wanton dawn]

Use with thunderous. Uncanny isnt stupid enough

[trim steppe]

This patch was 10gb but was just tweaks. Think they are prepping a content drop soon?

[faint beacon]

I'll take any and all reasons to use the shovels more

Especially the MkIII

[white minnow]

one can hope

[faint beacon]

Love that thing

[tiny summit]

Gotta test out Recon, Leave No One Behind talent and smokes in 1 go

[white minnow]

there were certainly some unlisted changes

cuz loading into the psykh was noticeably faster than before

[tall torrent]

I’m more shocked you never knew that

[junior needle]

||Surely it will be sometime||

[wanton dawn]

I should try a 100 crushers kill with nade only challenge

[slow spade]

Bleedthrough at 100% toughness returns UwU

[tall torrent]

I’m ok, this is one of the best QoL updates they’ve done so far and I’m happy with most of it

[faint beacon]

500 hours in, recently learned about block canceling

I'm not very smart with some of the techs

[junior needle]

this is one of the best QoL updates they’ve done so far
Big sad if true

[slow spade]

Do not worry ignorance is strength 💪

[white minnow]

OwO

[trim steppe]

"Fixed an issue where Damage would spillover even with Zealots “Bolstering Prayer” or Veterans “Voice of Command” Toughness Bonus Active."

[faint beacon]

Tbf it massively trained me on pushing and movement

[faint beacon]

So it's a blessing in disguise

[tall torrent]

These are some of the most impactful changes of this update imo

Daemonhost

• DH now only kills the player who triggered it across all difficulties (1 kill max)
• You can no longer trigger DH through concrete walls (requires direct LoS)

Scab Trapper

• trappers can no longer shoot nets through fences, grates or other transparent barriers

Bulwark

• bulwark shields will now be disabled during light & medium staggers

Smoke Grenade (veteran)

• smokes should now instantly stop ranged enemies from firing, including snipers (& gunners, mob shooters, reapers & shotgunners)

Gunners & Shooters

• scab/dreg gunners, as well as scab/dreg shooters will no longer push players back

[trim steppe]

This patch seems like a big W, people still gonna be mad at lack of content but the QOL stuff is much appreciated

[slow spade]

I mean the audio adjustments were big too :c

[tiny summit]

ArchonOfFlesh: harder

[tall torrent]

Need to play with it a bit more to tell if it’s actually better

[faint beacon]

Loving this QOL tbh on paper

[wanton dawn]

Well i only have this one

[faint beacon]

But I'll need to test it when I'm home

[slow spade]

Burster has lowest priority UwU

[trim steppe]

"Improved the audio mix of the game to mitigate the issue of missing or barely audible enemy sound cues."

[jolly cave]

Wait does this mean recon is back on the menu?

[slow spade]

"Trappers are now silent"

[trim steppe]

"Dev note: We did a balance pass on the audio mix of the game, giving more priority to sound cues from dangerous enemies to make sure they are played at an appropriate volume when close to players (e.g. Poxbursters)."

[faint beacon]

Petition to make the bursters spawn cue 500% louder, lmao

[tall torrent]

Dps still mid unfortunately

[slow spade]

Its no longer a major detriment just a minor one

[tiny summit]

Need the return of the trapper going through all her voicelines at once

[jolly cave]

rip my hopes and dreams

[slow spade]

Honestly thought that one was funny

[trim steppe]

elevator rides are less funny now

[slow spade]

Agreed :c

[tiny summit]

Felt like some type of poltergeist. Definitely knew one was coming when she was like that

[slow spade]

Its just people spamming aim with syringes now

[junior needle]

Neat, I missed some of these. Although the gunners and shooters doing pushback was removed a long time ago and then added back in. Likely as a goof from fartshart.

[timid otter]

Vaccum capsule?

[slow spade]

Oh yeah that weird mod again

[slow spade]

I missed those days

And now they're back

[hoary horizon]

Thanking you!
Ulgo forgot to say thank you

[slow spade]

I might actually use a non-shield on my ogryn now

[slow spade]

No problem big man 💪

[hoary horizon]

[tall torrent]

I just realized

Smoke (if it’s working as it should rn) is kinda better than psyker dome for pure anti-ranged function?

[timid otter]

Does it stop trappers from netting you?

[tall torrent]

Trappers require LoS which smokes can impact iirc

[tiny summit]

Free from sniper fire when doing the hacking minigame

[tall torrent]

Yea

[slow spade]

It depends on if stops bombers imo

But yeah seems so

[tall torrent]

Comms-Plex first event, smokes can be so clutch

[tiny summit]

Trappers already got fucked with targeting with smokes but maybe before firing outside of the smoke cloud they were still locked

[tall torrent]

The 30 billion gunners + shotgunners + snipers for that one event

[wise fossil]

So new powersword activation is in the middle of the swing?

[wooden lotus]

the new thing is that you continue your combo instead of resetting it if you activate

so it feels a bit better

[trim steppe]

Patch notes were long, here's my abridged summary of the biggest/best changes IMO:

[wooden lotus]

though some people reasonably dont like it

[hollow ibex]

Smoke meta soon

[bitter turtle]

dh nerf

Wao

[slow spade]

Dh nerf but now there are dh patrols UwU

[timid otter]

Maximium fov

[serene bough]

Is that weapon stock in your mouth

[timid otter]

Doesnt look like a gun anymore but a metal stick.

[spring spindle]

The love the “extra burster, barrels, and blitz” mission modifier because I love having 5 shredder grenades at a time

Lowkey most fun modifier

[wooden lotus]

the laser crit ammo perk is pretty good again

[trim steppe]

I like having 3 ogryn nukes on that modifier

[wooden lotus]

headhunter accatran vi my beloved, come back to me

[bitter turtle]

Also bayo nerf 😔

[slow spade]

My sleeping beast awakens to vacuum ammo once more

[spring spindle]

“Nah. I’m not really feeling it today”

explosion sounds

Also. Just had a friend of my debate that ammo stat isn’t important and is a dump stat

There was a lot of beef here

[trim steppe]

3 ogryn with frags and 1 vet with field improve, gg ez

[celest vine]

Yay

[trim steppe]

unironically true on some guns like the CIAG, the difference between 0% ammo and 80% ammo is like 10 mag and 100 reserve.

[tiny summit]

Ammo for weapons can live at being less than stellar. Some weapons a 20% difference is barely a mag

[wooden lotus]

i've been also a fan of infernus

[tiny summit]

The chesticle fix

[slow spade]

Infernus doesn't buff nades so I use dumdum

[spring spindle]

To be fair. Universally. Mobility is my dump stat

[tall torrent]

They also fixed Krieg helm’s mask clipping into the coat’s collars

[trim steppe]

Mobility and Defense matter about 0.0001% of the time as long as they are above 51%

[celest vine]

When will they add tubes?

[slow spade]

Next week

[tiny summit]

Have the tube go into a smoke nade

[spring spindle]

Yeah as long as it’s not like 2% it’s usually fine. But I’ll take all the bullets I can get

[slow spade]

Ammo is tolerable to be low on for most weapons

[trim steppe]

51% is the lowest it can be to give you maximum dodges, which are important. I usually toss guns with mobility in the 40s or less unless they are otherwise perfect

[fervent quiver]

All for Super Earth

[slow spade]

But nothing like "60%" imo

[slow spade]

I wish I could play :c

450k player cap bruh

This was at like 3 am

[trim steppe]

very excited to play once they fix their servers

[slow spade]

Same

[serene sage]

Holy shit new patch???

[slow spade]

Quality of life changes

[trim steppe]

abridged big changes, good stuff man good stuff

[junior needle]

toss guns with mobility in the 40

[slow spade]

Mostly (sad bayonet noises)

[junior needle]

On guns is just excessive

[trim steppe]

I'm at over 800 hours, I have high standards when adding things to my arsenal

[mellow dome]

Are smoke grenades worth using on Veteran?

I don't think I've ever even touched them

[slow spade]

Potentially now

[trim steppe]

As of this patch, seems like it!

[slow spade]

Now that they actually work

[serene sage]

Well it's something I guess. Smoke buff is great. Very very few balance changes it seems

[tall torrent]

Previously, no
Now, maybe~yes

[mellow dome]

Do they just stop enemies shooting you through a volume and that's it? Do they affect melee enemies at all?

[serene sage]

Mostly bug fixes which I am completely happy to have.

[slow spade]

Shooters no longer push you back

Except reapers

But eh

[trim steppe]

Fixed DH griefing

[tall torrent]

They stop all ranged enemies from shooting at you, and makes trappers & flamers have to get much closer to you to get their attacks off

[trim steppe]

interrupts dogs and mutants too

[tall torrent]

Basically smoke downgrades enemy IQ

[faint beacon]

Is it bad I genuinely think it's fine for reapers to have KB on their stubbers

[slow spade]

No you're right they should

But reapers are usually a non-threat

So the knockback is negligible

[trim steppe]

I think its good as well

[faint beacon]

Yeah okay, cause if so I'd genuinely just view them as, oh look a slightly tankier gunner

[slow spade]

Indeed

[simple jay]

I usually knock reapers out first as vet, see em as more of a threat than gunners if not taken care of

[junior needle]

They seem to downgrade vet IQ as well

[simple jay]

sever the head, the body dies.

[fresh mango]

so how’s the power sword change feel?

[slow spade]

Annoying for power cycler users, good for non-power cycler users

[simple jay]

what the hells a power cycled

[slow spade]

A myth UwU

[simple jay]

fair

[junior needle]

Basically does nothing

[fresh mango]

it’s a blessing that makes the charge last +1 swings at tier 3 and +2 swings for tier 4

[simple jay]

ah

[junior needle]

Because the actual change is very different than what you think it is on reading it

[slow spade]

Oh you were serious, sorry :c

[fresh mango]

incredibly powerful and basically mandatory

[simple jay]

bro I dunno what blessings do what lmao

[tall torrent]

"If you don't know what you're doing, neither does your enemy"
--Sun Tzu, probably

[simple jay]

I ain’t that invested in the game

[fresh mango]

yeah ngl reading it i was confused

[mellow dome]

I can't believe they made the Mark X Heavy Pistol shoot slower when ADSing

I thought that was a feature

[simple jay]

CRAZY

[mellow dome]

It made it really good with Deadshot

[trim steppe]

How's it work for PC users? Haven't tried it yet

[junior needle]

You have to charge like normal, it just doesn't totally reset your attack chain

Or something

Basically charging is exactly the same and you still have to charge the same amount for the same time for the same attacks

[trim steppe]

I....see

[fresh mango]

nothing burger change basically

[trim steppe]

So basically it makes the PS ever so slightly less reliant on PC but if you already have it the PS behaves the same as before

[junior needle]

Also someone told me the gunner/shooter pushback is still a thing in actual games and the change only worked on the psyk

[junior needle]

It doesn't affect its reliance on PC at all

[fresh mango]

Are the audio changes working at least?

[junior needle]

It doesn't make it easier to charge or give you more charges in practice, you can supposedly just adjust what moves you use (useless)

[trim steppe]

Oh, I think I understand, charging doesn't reset your moveset chain?

[stone path]

Exactly

[trim steppe]

So you can access the 4th swing with a power swing, for instance

[blissful flame]

just woke up, power sword buff from the looks of it?

[trim steppe]

No

[blissful flame]

reads soldier's post I see

[trim steppe]

Some good QOL stuff, very little balance. Smokes are maybe good now?

[tiny summit]

I need my smoke to be a football field

"No dakka for the hive"

[slow spade]

Pls make grenade tinkerers stack pls UwU

[tiny summit]

Make twinned smokes not a meme

[slow spade]

Multiple smokes now make the AI unable to melee 💪

[lucid pasture]

Just played a couple matches, regular shooters still have pushback, gunners don't.

[blissful flame]

huh, scavenger was stacking with survivalist? I guess that's why i sometimes seemed to get more ammo from a kill than i expected

[tiny summit]

Yea. A bot with scavenger could sometimes be more valuable than the dead weight member

But now gone

[blissful flame]

and i thought the invisible plamsa shots were due to the weapon customizer mod, but seems like it was a known issue for vanilla too, huh

[slow spade]

Brb submitting paperwork for the Emperor's Mercy

[slow spade]

I've always said bots were better than players

[tall torrent]

Record footage if u can & report to FS Forums immediately

[slow spade]

Now not too sure

[blissful flame]

oh, and daemonhosts only murder 1 person now

[junior needle]

Fartshart in charge of quality control

[blissful flame]

i'm ok with this

[frank ether]

blursed

I'll do it

finna do it with agri brr and larp like its csgo

[junior needle]

mf recon with its sicknasty finesse values

[tiny summit]

Don't forget the knife

[umbral scaffold]

When’s new content

[tiny summit]

Or psword w/o PC4 for the true Patch 17 vet experience

[timid otter]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046912126746374274/1209937852927057941/nextweek.gif

[dawn garnet]

uhhh what should i do with this thing?

[frank ether]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046912126746374274/1209937852927057941/nextweek.gif

[frank ether]

you even run faster with a knife lmao

[dawn garnet]

i was thinking unyielding for reloaded

[tall torrent]

Reload speed to elite
Either blessing to gets hot

[dawn garnet]

yeahhh about that i dont have any blessings

blaze away doesnt seem bad tho

[wooden lotus]

yeah my verdict on the new power sword is that it feels better but still kinda sucks with the activation spam nad low mobility

but damn does it put stuff DOWN

[tall torrent]

It’s ok for some boss dmg

[wooden lotus]

blaze away, gets hot is best ofr plasma tbh

plasma's pretty blessing agnostic where you could run a gray one and it still fucks

[blissful flame]

blaze away might come in handy for crusher trains

[wooden lotus]

blaze away helps hit some breakpoints and gets hot is the occasional free boost that also actually hits breakpoints

also helps w boss damage

[dawn garnet]

also deadshot doesnt work on plasma right?

[wooden lotus]

it does, just specifically for the charge shot iirc

so does wepaon specialist

deadshot is kinda deadweight on plasma though because of how weapon specialist/focus target exist, that and you will be light spot spamming mosto f the time

[dawn garnet]

im not getting any stamina drain per shot

[wooden lotus]

for the charge special? that's strange

[dawn garnet]

am i supposed to?

[wooden lotus]

for deadshot? yeah

charging it should count as aiming it from what i remember

[dawn garnet]

i think it just doesnt apply for plasma

[wooden lotus]

ah well guess im just a schizo

[dawn garnet]

it works on braced guns and everything else

[blissful flame]

apparenlty i got the "get 5 weakspot kills in a row in volley fire" buy accident doing one charged plasma shot while voice of command buff was active, i think?

it was choas, but I got the achievemnt without having volley fire at all

[midnight totem]

Hax

Blessed you were by the emperor

[blissful flame]

i also guess i need to try to do a revolver build or something to get "make every shot count" sometime

that's one of the last big achievements i got left for vet

[raw steppe]

recon is back @junior needle

Fixed an issue with ‘Shock Trooper’ talent causing rapid fire weapons to consume ammo during Critical Strikes.

time to dust off that recon stealth smoke grenade

[junior needle]

Not really, it's still less than half as effective as patch 13 on a 6d.

[raw steppe]

spam smokes on teammates

so they can't see

[junior needle]

They've once again chosen not to directly buff recons.

[raw steppe]

and trigger a bunch of crushers, then stealth away

and let your team deal with them

[junior needle]

It doubles the effectiveness of shock trooper from last patch though.

So it should serve as a good reminder to take the talent.

[wanton dawn]

50/50 nerf, 50/50 buff i said yesterday

[junior needle]

Turns out it's neither, it's a bugfix