veteran-class

[bitter turtle]

uploading

[toxic leaf]

should i continue fishing or just swap out weakspot and sustained

[bitter turtle]

elite is actuall yoptimal on revolver

but i dont know if 8% is enough

u gonna have to test

[rigid pilot]

Yea just swap weakspot

[bitter turtle]

if you need 10% instead

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5OZ60MOqAI

v7

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5OZ60MOqAI

hb2

[toxic leaf]

ok hadron just needs to give me hc4 here

no whammy no whammy no whammy big money

crucian

damn you hadron

[junior needle]

Videos are private

[bitter turtle]

wtf

[junior needle]

These proofs prove nothing

[bitter turtle]

god damnit

[toxic leaf]

does critical bonus even impact this gun much or is it fatshark critical damage bonus

like 20% to 24% is 4% of of the crit hit damage or is it a base damage buff to crit

[bitter turtle]

it affects your crit rate too

i would not dump it

[toxic leaf]

oh i see it right there at the bottom

nvm then

[junior needle]

v7 is doing better than I thought

About the same as the hb1

I assume because of meaty crits with deadly accurate doing big damage

[bitter turtle]

there

[tall torrent]

Sustained -> surgical
Weakspot -> maniac
That’s a godroll revolver right there

[junior needle]

You have failed me for the last time, again

[bitter turtle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDAKNCYs18E

ok

try this one first

LOL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5OZ60MOqAI

ok good

now it all works

[rigid pilot]

Oh no the scope

[bitter turtle]

the scope is gud fuk u all

[tall torrent]

Bro is aiming with test tube 9000

[bitter turtle]

meming on agri

meming on my scopes

go to hell

[toxic leaf]

what am i looking to one shot on crits? gunners/ragers/everything?

[bitter turtle]

[toxic leaf]

im testing it now with carapace

[bitter turtle]

u dont need carapace to 2s crushers

[tall torrent]

Elite + maniac gives u 1 crit bodyshot flamers, ragers & both gunners

[rigid pilot]

I didn't know v7 actually did damage to crushers damn

[tall torrent]

Without maniac u can’t Crit bodyshot Dreg rager

[bitter turtle]

it really does not

not in an efficient way

i almost never

spam shots into crushers like that

its not worth your literal entire stamina bar

[toxic leaf]

im 1981 on crit body shot without maniac, someone tell me that 10% elite wouldnt do it lol

[rigid pilot]

Oh you had Deadshot on

[tall torrent]

You already have 8% elite

[bitter turtle]

there is no way im critting otherwise

its not like im building up surg stacks in that vid lol

and no

headhunter is a meme on v7

dont run it over surg

just to cope into killing crushers with v7

[tall torrent]

Surgical builds super fast on headhunter autoguns

0.2s per stack

[rigid pilot]

Faster than revolver, but less damage and less pierce

[bitter turtle]

ya but you can see my buff bar, nothing is buliding since im literally rapid firing

[tall torrent]

If u actually wait for recoil to reset properly between shots you should be getting several stacks for every shot

[bitter turtle]

ya that might be faster idk

[toxic leaf]

how does maniac help against gunners

[bitter turtle]

i just dont shoot crushers with v7

even if u wait for recoil that just more stamina drain from holding ads

[rigid pilot]

Elite

[bitter turtle]

so in the end ur still looking at an empty stam bar by the end

not worth killing 1 crusher

[rigid pilot]

Yea surgical and Deadshot, I hate running them together

[bitter turtle]

they are fine together

deadshot just means u have to hold surgical less long

[rigid pilot]

Unless it's revolver, because surgical is much slower there

[toxic leaf]

my body shot crits on the gunners arent even close to ohkos

[rigid pilot]

Headshot iirc

[tall torrent]

From what I’ve tested, elite gives u the most amount of breakpoints and maniac just helps Dreg rager

Elite and carapace have the same crusher 2 crit headshot breakpoints

[toxic leaf]

understood, carapace is not good then?

[junior needle]

Seems to depend a bit on luck with crits but the hb1 and v7 got about the same with the same setup on multiple tests.

[bitter turtle]

either way

fits my point just fine

[toxic leaf]

oic, i was hitting the gunners in their arms not body, the crits are ohkos with 8%

[junior needle]

hb2 got about the same too

[tall torrent]

If carapace gives u the same breakpoint as elite did, I don’t see a reason to take carapace

[bitter turtle]

unless u count v7 as "good vs carapace"

then no

hb1/2 isnt good on all targets

[rigid pilot]

Gunner arms

I hate that so much

[toxic leaf]

ok maniac it is

[bitter turtle]

so that's why i find value in agri volver as a balanced version of zarona lul

[toxic leaf]

flak wouldnt change anything

[bitter turtle]

being able to knockout carapace without coping my entire stam bar into it or switching to melee is nice

[rigid pilot]

Flak against maulers bodyshots I guess but meh

[toxic leaf]

maulers have an easy to hit dome because they get up in your grill

[rigid pilot]

But their head is carapace

[tall torrent]

Bodyshot maulers do more dmg than headshot for revolver

On crits too

With crit u can hit like 2.1k

[rigid pilot]

Also it pierces if you shoot their body

I think

[toxic leaf]

with or without flak?

[junior needle]

hb 1/2 have like a 60% modifier to carapace by default

I'm surprised the v7 crits are doing that much

[bitter turtle]

its passable in a pinch

but really

crushers are the last enemy i choose to deal with usually

[junior needle]

with deadly the v7 is getting like a 4.73x modifier on weakspot crits

[bitter turtle]

though

it actually can do pretty good work on crushers

if you run MF + rending node + 10% rending

lul

can 3 shot with crits

https://i.gyazo.com/bf17a46920c0aea819f669b5b144ba26.jpg

pretty funny

[rigid pilot]

Crushers are breakfast to peesword6 anyway

Even the new shovels or chainaxe are alright vs them

[bitter turtle]

i dont run psword

is boring

https://i.gyazo.com/7b11295c06d70d05159f78b89c946521.png

[rigid pilot]

Give us 2h powersword

[timid otter]

Ill likely update the document tomorrow

Im not sure about giving up the tiers tbh

I think they can be usefull for showing whether things are overall usefull or not.

If they dont showcase enough when a thing is usefull thats a problem with the description rather then the tier ranking.

[bitter turtle]

my problem with tiers is like

if u have

lets say v7

flak/maniac/elite/unarmored as S tier

then some ppl will think

u can run elite+flak

or maniac + unarmored

these are not good combos though

[timid otter]

Mabye a more pronounced TLDR

[bitter turtle]

also some blessings are better in conjunction with each other

like take a swing + all or nothing shovel

i think just listing out valid blessing/perk combos is much more useful

[timid otter]

Could do both.

[bitter turtle]

`if u do both then why even have a tier list anymore

[timid otter]

Perk tier list im more willing to do away with tbh

Alot of perks in the game just suck on pretty much every weapon

Its needless to mention it for the thousandth time that it sucks on weapons.

Blessing combos could be more thoroughly looked at in the text about weapons.

Admitely i think my knowledge does fail me there at times.

I have tried the majority of things in the game

But not every thing.

Ill likely keep the perk tier list in another document as future info for myself.

The amount of work put into that part of the document alone was probably more then the rest of the document combined

Testing perks as veteran was hell.

took over an hour for some weapons.

In hindsight i likely should have just programmed a program to do the math for me rather then actually test in the psykanium

[lime pendant]

Okay so just as a bit of insight: I really like the speed of zealot but the talent trees kinda lowkey suck for my play style.

Hear me out: krak / survivalist / VoC / Focuse Target stereotypical build but with knife and pistol to make them FAST AS FUCK BOI.

Thoughts?

[bitter turtle]

why krak

also pistol = revolver or what?

also if u want to be fast then wep specialist is better

knife has no problems doming bosses and crushers so idk the point of running krak with it

[lime pendant]

Las pistol. Krak is nice for armor

[bitter turtle]

it has trouble with hordes so shredder frags is better to pair

laspistol + knife esp would seem like it struggles on hordes

boring answer but brauto/iag would be a better pair for knife

i would also consider a gun that totally is not dependent on survivalist

that way you can go movespeed aura + stealth easily

for even more speed

[tall torrent]

Veteran really wants a horde clear melee in most scenarios

[hollow ibex]

yeah if you're running knife, you should pair with frag

[lime pendant]

Shredder then? Got it.

[junior needle]

Trying to log in to helldivers for 4 hours

[lime pendant]

Servers that backed up huh?

[junior needle]

Extremely

400,000 people playing on steam alone

Last I checked

[lime pendant]

jesus christ. well I mean..... Darktide is pretty great, but from what I've heard? Seems like Helldivers learned from darktides less than ideal mechanics.

I’m gonna pick it up next payday and see what the hype is about

[severe adder]

whats better?

[lime pendant]

I'd like the first one. The ammo and resistance make up, IMO, for the slightly lower stopping power. Also that damage against Flak.

[tall nova]

you don't really need flak on plasma

[hollow ibex]

yeah i would think second one is better

stopping power is quite important

[tall nova]

tbf you don't really need anything on plasma

[lime pendant]

Seems I'm outvoted and you have your answer then.

I'll also admit, I have less than popular opinions on equipment and talent trees.

I never realize the revive buff for VoC was such a controversial choice until Reddit hurt me.

[bitter turtle]

kek

https://i.gyazo.com/fdab1f270aedcad82e131f0e3999b126.png

stealth really is op

did literally all the scans for hab dreyko alone

didnt matter how bad things went south as long as I could stealth and pick ppl up lmoa

[terse idol]

you do want 1 thing

Elite damage

To one tap dredge gunnahs

[tall torrent]

Elite is basically a must-have, and the other slot can go flak/maniac/unyielding

@junior needle is the frame gen mod safe to use? won't get me banned?

[junior needle]

I very much doubt it as fatshark stripped a lot of the anticheat to allow for modding.

If it's bannable then I'd be hit too

I've also been using it for quite awhile and no ban or any issues

[tall torrent]

ok thx

[tall torrent]

I followed the steps on the page and once I copy & paste the 2 DLL files, it should just work?

Is there a setting in game to turn it on/off?

[junior needle]

follow the instructions for the universal one and put it in your binaries folder

[tall torrent]

Oh the universal one

[junior needle]

It'll give you an option for frame gen in game if you did it correctly

[tall torrent]

I downloaded the universal version but it didn’t even have the disable Nvidia thing

[junior needle]

Universal doesn't need registry changes or anything

[tall torrent]

Huh ok

[junior needle]

Oh yeah, I used the dll version

[tall torrent]

can u show a pic of the frame gen setting in game

I don't see it

[junior needle]

Did you put it in your binaries folder

[tall torrent]

oh lemme do that

[blissful flame]

I too, have two plasma guns i'm trying to pick between

i'm leaning towards number 2, but since i don't have blaze away available, i might put glory hunter on 2, unless mania/elite perks might be better

[raw steppe]

Don't need elites if you're using tag tho

Tag pushes you past bp with both the small buff and the big buff

[junior needle]

Blaze away isn't THAT great on plasma, you can choose between glory or blaze

[blissful flame]

seeing as i don't have a blaze away banked, but i do have glory hunter, i'm gonna go with the latter lol

[junior needle]

The only good plasma blessing is gets hot

The second slot is icing on the cake

Most important is to have your perks sorted for the breakpoints you want

[rare prawn]

which is considered to be the best las gun on vet atm ?

[junior needle]

Helbore 1/2, except you use the bayonet

If you mean for actually shooting

[lime pendant]

Depends. Recon is fun af if you wanna run and gun like a mofo.

Kantrael is good if you are the slow and steady type.

Pick a las pistol if you speed run.

Helbore is good if you want to maximize your ammo consumption.

[junior needle]

Probably hb1/hb2/1a infantry las depending on your preference

No

Do not recommend recons to people, they are dogshit

[terse idol]

well yeah

BUT!

I just build it to make it as brain dead as possible

No tag

Only passives

😌

And + elites isn't that bad

[lime pendant]

I've had great success with my mk 7a.

[terse idol]

What else would you need to run on a pgun

Maniac

maybe unyielding?

[lime pendant]

Unyielding is never really a bad perk to put on ANYTHING

[terse idol]

well

Lasgun

I think you need more important Perks

Flaniac

Comes to mind

[wanton dawn]

"Everything recon does, columnus iag does way better" is why ppl don't recommend recon. Nothing to do with success or enjoyment

[junior needle]

You may subjectively see what you consider to be good performance, but objectively they're very poor in terms of dps and ammo efficiency

[terse idol]

That's the issue

[junior needle]

It's not just the ciag

All the IAG's out perform all recons

[terse idol]

You work twice as hard to get the Average work

You build any other IAG, and it'll perform better

[lime pendant]

Yeah but lasgun go brrrrrrrr

[terse idol]

Yeah

BUT!

That is the distinction of Objective vs Subjective

[junior needle]

Do I need to post it

I feel like I should post it

[lime pendant]

it?

[wanton dawn]

The video ? Did not get received well on reddit

[junior needle]

Seeing is believing

[terse idol]

[junior needle]

What video? Received where on reddit?

[terse idol]

What?!

[wanton dawn]

Recon vs ciag on mutie

[lime pendant]

Send it bud. Reddit hurts the last of my feelings.

[junior needle]

I haven't made any reddit topics, I only comment

So if someone made a post using my video

I didn't get to see it

[wanton dawn]

No no, MY video

[junior needle]

OH

[wanton dawn]

[junior needle]

I was gonna send mine but

That's a good idea

[wanton dawn]

Oh well, i ll just find the one i posted here yesterday

2d

2s

[lime pendant]

as long as it's on reddit. Because I hate myself and always need more ammo for self loathing.

[junior needle]

Here you can observe the 7a's dps performance on headshots and bodyshots

Gray and talentless, max damage

Now compare it to

The ciag

[wanton dawn]

Sure thing pal https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/19b8h98/in_the_right_circumstances_a_recon_lasgun_can/

[junior needle]

Or even the humble agri iag

[wanton dawn]

Sadly if you look at the top comment, it was a bit to subtile to understand the point

Instead we get recon killing dog today

Then again, dt is hard to understand

[lime pendant]

Bro I'm right here, you didn't have to do me THIS dirty 😂

I guess I'm selling my recon las gun now.

[potent iris]

I mean you don't have to sell it if you have fun with it

[wanton dawn]

Never recommend recon unironically on this discord. It get ppl all excited

[potent iris]

just gotta know that it's definitely not in a good spot performance wise

[potent iris]

recon las is the bleed knife of vet chat

[wanton dawn]

We have bleed knife

Serrated blade exists

[potent iris]

yea I just never see people argue about it in here to the same level as zelchat

but recon las do be hitting that level

[lime pendant]

Again. Recon lasgun go brrrrr makes my monkey brain happy...

😂

[wanton dawn]

Well, i guess its cuz knife was never really popular on vet. Shovel hit the monkey brain instead

[potent iris]

I really did wanna like the recon las so I'm glad you at least enjoy it

[wanton dawn]

Yeah...

[potent iris]

then again I also don't enjoy chain weapons and those are very meta atm

[terse idol]

At the very least like there's a good chance recon will get a buff

So its stoonks

[blissful flame]

i just luv me axe

[white minnow]

imagine the destruction if zealots got recon lasguns

[wanton dawn]

50/50 buff, 50/50 nerf

[terse idol]

[wanton dawn]

50/50 buff but actually nerf !

[junior needle]

I don't tell people to poopoo on their fun, I tell people to let them know so they don't (in their ignorance) invest tons of time/effort into them only to realize they're big shit afterward.

I'm hoping my constant bitching and examples will make their way to the balance guy eventually

[potent iris]

recon with speedload and between the eyes

...I don't even know recon blessings

[timid otter]

I dont really even want to discuss lacerate with zchat

[junior needle]

Fatshark only buffs recons unintentionally, and then guts them after

Remember this lesson well

Only the balance guys favored weapons are allowed to be meta

And if they get nerfed it's a hand slap

[potent iris]

hey I'm one of those balance guys 😭

I do want recon buffed tho

[white minnow]

why would and qanquir do this to us

[potent iris]

ikr

[wanton dawn]

Nerf it is

[junior needle]

There's more than one? I assumed it was just a single guy they kept chained in a closet, unable to actually play the game outside of set times.

[potent iris]

nah we're all chained up

[bitter turtle]

I had to make

Literally like 7 recordings

To prove lacerate fucking sucks

To ppl here

So I wouldn't say that

[junior needle]

If you would kindly communicate the extreme displeasure of the community with the state of recons to the rest of the balance gremlins in the holding cell

[white minnow]

i finally decided to use the knife (albeit on zealot) and my god do i truly understand how much lacerate sucks

[junior needle]

I would be most grateful

Yeah, knife has like a 2.82 weakspot modifier

So in order to get any value out of lacerate

[white minnow]

they probably know since even crab was surprised that the recon we got now was the one that was released

[wanton dawn]

Trying silly stuff is how you find hidden gem. Among crap

[junior needle]

You need to give up 2/3 of your direct damage

[bitter turtle]

And even now u have someone writing a guide

That puts lacerate on par with precog

[timid otter]

Yes

[bitter turtle]

Yes

You

Fix that

[junior needle]

[bitter turtle]

Before I mald more

[wanton dawn]

But what does Youtube say about lacerate ?

[timid otter]

Im not going to :p

[bitter turtle]

Literally one of the two best knife blessings (not counting uncanny) vs the biggest meme on the planet 😔

[potent iris]

is it as a gag or fr?

[timid otter]

Lacerate is an ok blessing since headshots are not always going to be hit.

[junior needle]

Is it an on god?

[white minnow]

watching people lightspam bodyshot maulers just to apply bleed and say that's good when you could just fucking two-shot them (at least on zealot) into heaven 🥲

[junior needle]

Or a fr fr?

[bitter turtle]

No it is not its absolute dogwater , at LEAST put flesh tearer above it istg

[junior needle]

It's really not, the value is so low especially if you're taking it for "I made an oopsie woopsie and hit the body every now and then"

[bitter turtle]

Not that I recommend flesh tearer either

[junior needle]

You could take something that works on both weakspot and bodyshots, like riposte

[bitter turtle]

But it's better than lacerate at least

[junior needle]

Uncanny is BIS for sure and everything else is fighting for the second slot

[bitter turtle]

The second slot is riposte or precog, or mercy killer if u are taking the tax or already going for 10 melee

[timid otter]

Riposte was higher anyways

Precog lasts 2s.

[bitter turtle]

Ur playing a knife

[timid otter]

Riposte is 6

[bitter turtle]

Precog is usually active

[timid otter]

Way easier uptime on riposte

[bitter turtle]

Yes riposte is less sweaty

Precog also let's u 2shot crushers

[white minnow]

though, the way that bonuses are calculated means that the math is pretty easy when comparing crit chance and weakspot/crit damage

and as an uptime * bonus calculation, they're the same

[bitter turtle]

They're both very good

Mercy is OK, but more build restrictive

None of them should even be in the same breath as lacerate

I'd literally take rending backstab over lacerate

[potent iris]

flesh tearer is like at least fine

[junior needle]

Flesh tearer is fine if you take it with uncanny on zealot

[potent iris]

it's not great by any means but it at least gets you bleed without gimping your dps

[white minnow]

yeah the bodyshot condition for lacerate should just be an immediate dealbreaker for people

[junior needle]

Can't really recommend it on other classes who can't reach massive near passive crit chance with scourge/piety

[bitter turtle]

Flesh tearer is more of a zealot one yeah

[timid otter]

Its fine on psyker with riposte build

[bitter turtle]

But I can accept it at least over laceeate

[potent iris]

reciprocity :^)

[bitter turtle]

At least ur allowed to fucking hit a weakpoint

[timid otter]

But thats usally a weapon designed for boss killing

[potent iris]

(I wouldn't actually recommend it on vet)

[junior needle]

Uncanny rending affects bleeds

[stiff glacier]

Flesh tearer, lacerate, serated blade

[junior needle]

Which is why you want to get the crit chance by default and pair it with uncanny

[stiff glacier]

[potent iris]

the unholy trinity

[stiff glacier]

Khornate knife

[bitter turtle]

Yeah you can enjoy tickling things to death in 3x the time it takes for any other knife

[thick flint]

yes but which one hurts the heretics longer?

I wanna watch them keel over from blood loss

[junior needle]

Hurting heretics for longer vs Suffering them to live for longer

[timid otter]

Ima be real and say that lacerate is likely atleast ok on veteran

[junior needle]

No

[bitter turtle]

It's quite literally bottom of the barrel shit

[timid otter]

Its a blessing that despite all the criticism shows ok results in games

It can help with bosses, mutants espically

[bitter turtle]

Results from who, malice players?

https://youtu.be/ULgFQa7aekU?si=hCWvtt95vRsZm1dX

"Boss damage"

[timid otter]

As they can be hard to hut heads on

[bitter turtle]

Pls just take precog

https://youtu.be/P38okzI25sI?si=4-n3Mvy9oCLbyqP9

[thick flint]

nuh uh

[rare bough]

precog on deez

[junior needle]

You can get bleed from other sources that don't take up a slot and either gimp you or do mostly nothing. Also, you may observe the damage differences of weakspot hits vs bodyshot in a knife.

[thick flint]

I want all the bleed blessings AND the bleed talent on vet

[bitter turtle]

If u want boss bleed so bad just take serrated blade and it'll stack up fast enough anyway

And you can enjoy your trickle of dmg

Imagine dropping literally 60 percent finesse dmg on a finesse weapon for bodyshot bleeds

[thick flint]

ikr so smart

[bitter turtle]

Ur right

Lacerate flesh tearer knives all the way

[thick flint]

obvious choice

[bitter turtle]

If only I could get bleed perks

[thick flint]

letsgooooo

[bitter turtle]

Block efficiency so I can wait out the boss to slowly die

[timid otter]

I really dont enjoy these types of discussions

Because it just comes down to the same thing, over and over again

[thick flint]

discussion

im memeing bro

[junior needle]

Well, if you want to write and publish guide for veteran, it needs to take a lot of factors into account and be open to input.

[timid otter]

Yes

Im willing to raise precog

But i really cant put lacerate lower then B with the results its shown in actual matches

[bitter turtle]

If I'm abrasive about it sorry, but I'm not exaggerating when I've extensively tested lacerate for ppl and bleed knives

It doesn't even speed up horde killing

[timid otter]

Its for god sake a popular true solo blessing

[junior needle]

I'm very curious as to what results you're referring to

[timid otter]

Even by extremely skilled players

[potent iris]

wait lacerate is popular for true solo?

[junior needle]

Whomst

Never heard of that before

[timid otter]

Yes

[potent iris]

that's hilarious

[junior needle]

I'm gonna say that's a doubt

[bitter turtle]

I'm gonna ask for proof there

[timid otter]

Fine ill look some up

[junior needle]

Unless they take it just to meme

[timid otter]

I know ham uses lacerate

[junior needle]

"haha look at me I can solo with my dingy lacerate knife"

For what purpose

Who is ham

[timid otter]

Hamsoldun

[thick flint]

you dont know who ham is??

[timid otter]

Guy who did the 6 min speedrun

And true soloed twins

[junior needle]

Nope

[bitter turtle]

I'm watching his twins solo

[blissful flame]

arrgh, it got bricked i think

[bitter turtle]

He's going for headshots and weak point hits

Almost always

[junior needle]

I cannot imagine why he would take knife and then take lacerate except to meme

[bitter turtle]

I can believe flesh-tearer

Seeing if the vid shows his loadout

[timid otter]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=w0nkDzvAwXA

Nah hes on VC often

He actually likes the blessing

[junior needle]

Playing zealot

That's an extra headscratcher

for lacerate

Oh yeah, he's self imposing a bunch of limitations

[tall torrent]

I tried the frame Gen mod, didn’t like it, thx for the help tho

[bitter turtle]

Either way, bleed + uncanny is much more worthwhile on zealot than it is on vet

[timid otter]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oy12bxR7IPc&pp=ygUbS2VqZXN0b2sgdHJ1ZSBzb2xvIGRhcmt0aWRl

Heres another

[junior needle]

What was wrong with it?

[timid otter]

Build in description

[potent iris]

oh DotNL...that guy tends to be a hot take machine

[thick flint]

what do you use on vet next to uncanny then

[bitter turtle]

Riposte, uncanny, mercy

[junior needle]

Lacerate, uncanny

on zealot

[timid otter]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3-r63PYrB4c

Heres another

[bitter turtle]

It might just be bc true solo is like 99 percent kiting

Also these are all zealot for a reason

Bleed to proc dmg reduction and other bonuses

[timid otter]

Ya true solo is zealot dominated

And vet defintely has worse lacerate

[bitter turtle]

Yes, but my point is u don't run bleed blessing on vet for a reason

[timid otter]

Less payoff on vet

[bitter turtle]

Also true solo doesn't reflect normal play

Unless u want to tell me psword is a bad weapon

[wanton dawn]

Vet can solo but you have less room for mistake. Or you cheese infiltrate ig

[junior needle]

You also don't run lacerate on zealot in normal play

[tall torrent]

Really bad ghost UI and my 99% fps actually got worse somehow

[potent iris]

yea lacerate is terrible even on zel

[tall torrent]

I’m keeping the files but with the setting turned off for now

[junior needle]

Extremely strange. What's your gpu?

[potent iris]

like duellist, uncanny and just knife in general all demand headshots

[tall torrent]

Shouldn’t impact it in any way

[tall torrent]

Rtx3060

[bitter turtle]

If I had to guess tbh, lac only taken for true solo bc u don't have the luxury to continuously attack

[tall torrent]

Maybe it’s because I have image scaling + DLSS active at the same time?

[bitter turtle]

Ur literally running away like 90 percent of the time

[timid otter]

Nah not quite

[junior needle]

huh, I have a 3080 and it gave me at least 100+ fps.

[thick flint]

quick play would like to disaggree with your statement

[timid otter]

It has to do with 100% headshots just being inconsistent

[wanton dawn]

I tried solo once with ps/bolter. Was doing well but its tiring and any special can kill the run

[tall torrent]

But I use image scaling to get a lower resolution so I can actually play the game without burning my laptop

[timid otter]

Its a therotical

[white minnow]

can't always headshot esp with knife being a little wonky in my experience
but precog also boosts crits

including crit bodyshots

[junior needle]

You don't want to take a blessing just for it to be doing nothing the vast majority of the time, and then when it's doing something it does very little.

4 bleed stacks on a random bodyshot does basically nothing

[potent iris]

thing is you can just take flesh tearer if you really need bleed

[bitter turtle]

And again, there's a reason this is on zealot, tree gets benefits from bleeding

[wanton dawn]

Playing with 3 shroudfield/infiltrate is harder than solo btw

[timid otter]

You can always ask what the people think about lacerate

[bitter turtle]

But in normal play I'd still suggest flesh tearer over it. But u can ask zel chat then

If they recommend lac over flesh

[junior needle]

He could just not take lacerate, but I assume it's for instant scourge stacking and proccing the crit DR on demand.

[bitter turtle]

For vet there is literally no synergy to run a bleed blessing

[stiff glacier]

I wish serated blade was actually good

[bitter turtle]

It's good if u want mercy killer

[timid otter]

I either way feel that i made a point in that lacerate is not god awful

Because otherwise these people wouldnt be running it

[bitter turtle]

U posted 3 zealot videos in a discussion about it for vet

[potent iris]

...that's not quite true

[timid otter]

It has a niche, a case

[potent iris]

I know people in verm who've done true solos and stuff that know sweet fuck all about the game and what's actually good

[stiff glacier]

Bleed is nice when slashing horde

[bitter turtle]

If u want to argue for it for zealot, u can go to zealot chat and make ur case because they also meme on it

[potent iris]

and by that I mean they like things that are mathematically, objectively bad

[junior needle]

Here's a video of it. Maybe you need to restart/adjust your settings a bit as well.

OH WAIT

DO YOU HAVE hardware accelerated gpu scheduling on

[bitter turtle]

To begin with even before that ppl were saying a bleed blessing is valid for zealot

[wanton dawn]

Solo is impressive conceptually. In truth it is just a different game

[bitter turtle]

Just prefer flesh tearer

[thick flint]

just grab mk V infgun with all dmg blessings + onslaught and stop thinking

[potent iris]

like popular stuff can legit just be down to it being popular for the sake of it because one person who's considered a good player but knows very little about how gear works could recommend something they're just wrong about and they perform well anyway because they're just skill checking it or they've got compensating factors etc.

[bitter turtle]

That's kinda what i was getting at too, but I know it sounds like an excuse so I didn't wanna lean too hard on it. But you can make the case that knife is better than psword if we go off true solo

It's not the game most ppl are playing

[wanton dawn]

I am good player and i recommend recon

[junior needle]

Yep, it should be noted that personal preference of good players is not the only basis for what's good

There are objective measurements of performance

[bitter turtle]

Either way, I don't see how zealots using uncanny/bleed means vets should do it too

They have bleed synergy

Vet does not

[potent iris]

and uncanny bleed is legit better off with flesh tearer

like the case to be made for lacerater on zealot is super contrived imo

even in solo

because you get the ball running with chastise and then piety kicks in so flesh tearer will proc for sure

[junior needle]

Bouncing between headshots and bodyshots with lacerate/uncanny is not a terribly attractive playstyle

[timid otter]

Its not really what is happening either way

[junior needle]

Nor is watching the buff

[bitter turtle]

Ig I can see it because they really don't have much chances to attack, damage is hardly a factor vs just surviving

[potent iris]

it's not that hard to attack

[bitter turtle]

U won't be proccing piety the way they play

[timid otter]

They arent strictly focusing body to trigger lacerate

[bitter turtle]

And they run momentum anyway

[potent iris]

like in twins solo I see it being hard to attack

[junior needle]

Or shroudfield, which also gives a guaranteed crit

[timid otter]

They aim for the head, sometimes miss

[potent iris]

oh so they're just speed running it then

w/e lol that's entirely diff

[wanton dawn]

What class soloed twin hm by now ?

Besides zealot

[bitter turtle]

Like I'm watching the carnival solo

The knife isn't even really used for dmg

It's the flamer doing most of the work

[timid otter]

Honestly auric true solos at regular pace are not fun

[bitter turtle]

Knife is for mobility majority of the time

[timid otter]

It takes 50 min to reach some mid events

2 hours to complete a mission

[wanton dawn]

It is an marathon yes

The alternative is cheesing with stealth

I dont see the point unless you wanna make youtube or twitch view

Guess i am not into personal challenge involving game anymore

[bitter turtle]

Like u can't tell me the normal way to play knife is to body slash a mutant 3 times and run away in 3 separate encounters to wait for the bleed to slowly take him out lol

[timid otter]

That actually happens more then you would think :p

[bitter turtle]

Uh

[timid otter]

Its just to be aware that one is playing around it

[bitter turtle]

In 3 separate encounters over 5 min?

[timid otter]

Ah wait no

I confused it

I thought you meant to hit it 3 times and let it bleed out

[bitter turtle]

Like I get it here tbh

Why lacerate

U literally don't have the time or chance to do much else than throw a random couple of slashes

This is not normal gameplay

[thick flint]

yall still arguing about knife bleed?

[bitter turtle]

And ur guide is not for true solo

[timid otter]

Its not

[bitter turtle]

And this is also zealot

[timid otter]

But i would prefer to put lacerate in the middle

Bcuz it has results backing it up

Precog can go up

[thick flint]

uncanny down

f tier

[timid otter]

Uncanny sucks FR

[thick flint]

ikr

[junior needle]

I went to go put some food in my slow cooker, what results are these exactly?

[thick flint]

infact dont even use the blade
spam only special attacks

[stiff glacier]

Ruthless backstab

[bitter turtle]

I'm just gonna add one last thing

[stiff glacier]

On stealth builds

[bitter turtle]

In practice for normal gameplay bleed just adds very little

Even in horde clearing

[timid otter]

Pretty much a whole bunch of true solo videos

[bitter turtle]

https://youtu.be/iyNX0q5VSHA?si=pfpOmoYiC8dUo3lX

[junior needle]

[timid otter]

Most of them run lacerate, uncanny

[bitter turtle]

https://youtu.be/BIQkpxaPS8A?si=NmNPhRZpcKDktq00

[junior needle]

Are they mostly from that one guy?

[timid otter]

Mixed

[bitter turtle]

Basically same kill time and this is uncanny so I'm actually allowed to headshot lol

It's gonna be even slower if u have to bodyshot for lac

[timid otter]

Yeah dont do that

[tulip condor]

uncanny/lacerate < uncanny/flesh tearer?

[bitter turtle]

This is more reflective of 99 percent of ppls experience than true solo

[junior needle]

Yeah. Please do not take the personal preference from one guy playing the game in a very niche way to be representative of power levels for everyone else.

[bitter turtle]

And i don't think I need to show how much slower bleed kills a crusher than riposte/precog

[junior needle]

You can like 2 doink a crusher with heavies

[bitter turtle]

It just offers very little for vet

[junior needle]

Maybe 3

[thick flint]

Do it do it do it

[junior needle]

Not exactly time to stack bleed

[bitter turtle]

Riposte is reliable 3, precog is 2

But u need to crit one

[timid otter]

I think one component also just is that real games are messier then the psykanium

Psykanium presents everything in a clean manner which is the entire point.

[junior needle]

If you analyze lacerate at an objective, mechanical level. It really doesn't have anything going for it compared to alternatives.

[potent iris]

yea I'd say FT is better if doing bleed, uncanny is a must to begin with

[timid otter]

Uncanny is the BIS blessing on knife

We arent really discussing even if lacerate is top tier on vet

Just if its mid or not

[thick flint]

why tho?

[bitter turtle]

U talk about psykarium not being a proper representation of normal gameplay and yet exclusively use true solo as proof of lacerate being viable for normal gameplay

Do u not see how this is

[timid otter]

Yes

[bitter turtle]

True solo for zealot I might add

Not even for vet

[thick flint]

yea nobody plays zealot

[timid otter]

Vet true solo unforunately barely exists

[tulip condor]

for a crit/bleed build for knife zealot or vet

barely catching up here

[bitter turtle]

Because true solo is not something u use to discuss normal gameplay

Unless you want to say vet is not viable

Because it can't true solo as well

[tulip condor]

What exactly is "true solo"

[timid otter]

1 player gameplay

[bitter turtle]

U solo

[thick flint]

can ogryn true solo?

[bitter turtle]

3 ppl ded right off the bat and you don't revive them

[tulip condor]

...?

[timid otter]

Actually kinda yes

[junior needle]

In general it's a BIS take

For all classes

[timid otter]

But thats a whole other point

Play whatever class you want

[tulip condor]

gotcha

[timid otter]

Who cares if a class is slightly stronger then another

[bitter turtle]

Is psword balanced to u because it's bad for true solo

Should we all run 4x knives

[blissful flame]

if there was anyone here who was making fun of me for staying on malice for so long when i clearly could move up, yall were right

[timid otter]

Ye i think power sword is balanced for now

[bitter turtle]

Come on now

[thick flint]

on golly bro pulls out all the unpopular opinions

[timid otter]

It has huge mobility downsides

[tulip condor]

Wait real quick, true solo, can that be just a build that you rely only on yourself?

[blissful flame]

did a pox hound mission on heresy, and i did just fine

[bitter turtle]

You can probably do damnation

[timid otter]

Admitely ive never played sunder, power cycler PS

[blissful flame]

i went down once, because i overheated my plasma during a hectic boss fight with a big room full of all sorts of shit and also a pox hound wave

[bitter turtle]

Heresy to damn is not a huge jump

[white minnow]

mobility downsides do not matter unless you're in a solo clutch situation with bulwarks or something

[timid otter]

Bad luck with hadron

[blissful flame]

aight, gonna jump into a damnation mission, wish me luck

[tulip condor]

Is it true solo if you make your builds to be self reliant?

[wanton dawn]

Pc/sunder is an experience. An expensive one

[junior needle]

"mobility downsides do not matter unless you're in a solo clutch situation with bulwarks or something"

-Every psword vet I've seen get downed while attempting to charge

[white minnow]

i did die to reapers 3 times because i tried to rush them in melee with psword so it's pretty bad

[bitter turtle]

Half the psword vets haven't figured out how to slide yet so that makes sense

[blissful flame]

sliding got so much easeir for me when i bound dodge and crouch to thumb buttons on my mouse

[wanton dawn]

I rarely ever slide with ps though

[bitter turtle]

Maybe it's just me

I slide everywhere

On everything

[white minnow]

i slide during the activation and against ranged enemies but not anywhere else

[bitter turtle]

Gotta save that like 5 stamina

[white minnow]

i do try not to dodge-slide sometimes cuz of it taking two dodges

[potent iris]

psword is definitely overtuned

[bitter turtle]

Pee sword

[white minnow]

good hordeclear + maintaining space including against 2/3 ragers + 2/3-shotting maulers/crushers at the cost of low mobility that doesn't matter unless you need to kite against enemies that can not be staggered by the psword

[bitter turtle]

Nasty

[rare bough]

Just let Zel use Psword, then it will be fair

[wanton dawn]

Well, my gameplay is no secret i have dozen of vidjo of silly psyward challenge

Psword is probably impossible to balance accross diff

[timid otter]

I think also by a certain point if a player chooses to invest points into melee then it should feel strong.

[white minnow]

and you get those benefits without needing to invest in melee

[timid otter]

Veteran isn’t quite as mobile doesn’t have the get out of jail free cards of zealot.

[bitter turtle]

Ngl I thought p13 psword was perfectly fine

[white minnow]

i've played marksman psword vet for a long while before switching to weapon spec

[junior needle]

Peepee sword

[white minnow]

vet isn't as mobile but we still have regenning nades and there's VoC for an "oh shit i need space and toughness" button

[timid otter]

VOC is amazing no doubt

[bitter turtle]

I don't think psword is balans either way

True solo is not a good indicator

[white minnow]

it's fairly easy to make space as vet and ocnsequently not need mobility

[bitter turtle]

By that logic flamer > volver

Zealot used flamer over volver

Nerf flamer more

[wanton dawn]

With PC4

[timid otter]

I do usally put flamer really highly.

[rare bough]

Use VoC offensively while charging a rager pack, the way it was intended to be used

[timid otter]

AOE can be underrated in utility in the game.

Even outside true solos.

[bitter turtle]

Buff revolver more

Needs 100 cleave like plasma

[bitter turtle]

Not like ppl don't need pc4 now either 😔

[timid otter]

Volver anyways likely gets used in a few of the matches

[wanton dawn]

Ciag long range undertuned pls buff

[bitter turtle]

Plasma can't carry vet in true solo, buff more

[rare bough]

Do we have stats of what is actually the most used weapons?

[bitter turtle]

Jk

[potent iris]

plasma really just needs to have the charged shot become the main usage

and less cleave

[wanton dawn]

I would challenge that but my time is too precious

[potent iris]

fuckin' point and click adventure gun lmao

[bitter turtle]

Suicide plasma clear when

Without being lowest dmg

Sedition is acceptable

[wanton dawn]

C-I-IV true solo lets go

[timid otter]

Chaos spawns can go to hell.

[bitter turtle]

2 bots and a stealth zel to pick u up every time u run out of wounds

[timid otter]

No more I-II

[bitter turtle]

See if you can outdps 2 bots with suicide plasma

[timid otter]

3 CS at the same time

[wanton dawn]

I feel like i-ii is harder than the nurgle blessing one these day

[bitter turtle]

I wonder if they should buff plogryns bc they kinda suck

[bitter turtle]

I like i-ii tho

That's the power outage one right

[wanton dawn]

No, its boss

[timid otter]

I spent a solid 10 minutes killing 3 chaos spawns with a trauma staff

[bitter turtle]

Ya power boss

[wanton dawn]

You are thinking a i ii

[bitter turtle]

Oh

Fuck these designators

[timid otter]

I gave up when the fourth one spawned

[wanton dawn]

A is light out

I is specialist wave

II is boss

III is hound

E is blessed

Then i am not 100% sure

[timid otter]

I-II-Vegetables

[bitter turtle]

Lights out monstro fun

Sometimes feels like needs more monstrosities though

Guess it's just rng

[wanton dawn]

Easier than standard monstro

[bitter turtle]

Ya I'm guessing they spawn less right

At least that's my personal anecdotal experience

[wanton dawn]

More about aggro range

[bitter turtle]

O

Obv just run ahead and shoot at far away enemies during monstro attacks to increase difficulty

[blissful flame]

to those of you about half an hour ago who said it wasn't a big jump up from heresy to damnation, and that i'd be fine

y'all were right

not sure if my pc is fine, but i lived lol

[bitter turtle]

You know, auric damnation isn't a huge step up from normal damnation (some even say easier bc better teammate quality, you had a 28 there)

Before you know it you'll be playing auric mael

[blissful flame]

and then my game crashed when i was previewing my new pants

[trim steppe]

With identical missions on both the auric and non-auric board, I'll take the auric one since I know the teammates are likely gonna be more on their game

[blissful flame]

not gonna be doing damnation all the time, but it's good to know i can

[white minnow]

yeah there's a memory crash that can be exacerbated by mods or entering your inventory or having a large inventory

[blissful flame]

uh, check, check, and also check

[white minnow]

yeah for me it's a death sentence to enter the inventory of my psyker (my main)

[blissful flame]

probably means i should clear out old dupes

[bitter turtle]

The game has a memory leak somewhere so the more stuff you have or mods the faster it eventually crashes

[blissful flame]

luckily at the moment I can go a few hours without a crash, and it's always been in the hub, so i'm not too bothered yet

[hybrid token]

today i learned that bots perfect dodge DHs

[umbral scaffold]

DHs are trivial we need some incentive to purge the unclean

[wet scaffold]

im starting to slowly despise people who play zealot

[umbral scaffold]

Corruption dmg is the worst part abt fighting demon hosts

[umbral scaffold]

Knife rushers are going to be involuntarily apart of the atoman space program (I’m gonna launch them with a barrel)

[wet scaffold]

yes but they started to infest malice. had 2 of them. in a row yesterday

from which one literally caused wipe

[umbral scaffold]

It’s time to move up in the world

[wet scaffold]

i wouldn't mind if not for the fact they die on so low difficulty

[twin ingot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1044379150619770931/1209431399418036234/image.png?ex=65e6e5c3&is=65d470c3&hm=571edd50294c870f0ca70f6af4204b2929d8f3ebf2d926d537da8d00be637b40& Finished a solo hazard 4 Maelstorm, the bots kept blowing up all the time

[umbral scaffold]

If you’re high enough lvl to queue damnation go for it

[wet scaffold]

i don't want to

there is no incentive beyond bit more resourcea

which i have abundance of

[umbral scaffold]

Then recognize the fact that pub players are shitters, and malice players are even worse

[warm swallow]

I thought you had a cape for a second

[twin ingot]

I wish I did

[warm swallow]

I have a game you could play that has a cool cape

[wet scaffold]

i refuse to play anything harder without my group

[twin ingot]

already have it

[warm swallow]

Real

[wet scaffold]

shitter or not, if you can't survive alone, don't run out

[umbral scaffold]

It’s a free country just saying malice players are bad hence why they’re in malice

If malice does not bore you yet feel free to stay there

[wet scaffold]

what is difference between damnation and malice?

elite/specialist spam?

[umbral scaffold]

Horde intensity, higher number of enemies, more elites and specialists sure but normal damnation is pretty take

Tame*

[blissful flame]

and enemy hp and damage taken i assume?

[wet scaffold]

fair

[umbral scaffold]

Yes enemy health pool is increased

[hybrid token]

damn 3 man maelstrom falls over at the final hurdle

emperor status: failed

[umbral scaffold]

What even happened the team was outputting good dmg

[hybrid token]

https://tenor.com/view/chiquichico-gif-26004262

[umbral scaffold]

Fire

Got it

[hybrid token]

burster waves and sniper waves maelstrom

and we also got like 4 bosses lol

[blissful flame]

honestly, i wish more games would approach difficulty like killing foor 2 did

enemy hp pool remains the same across all levels, so ttk doesn't change

they focus it all on the horde size, selection of special units, and giving enemies new things to do to account for

[umbral scaffold]

Enemy hp pool does increase with difficulty in kf2 tho

And with player count as well

[blissful flame]

god dammit did it lie to me then, i could have sworn the devs said that was the case

[umbral scaffold]

Yes they get tankier with difficulty and player count

Idk if Darktide would’ve benefit from the same model as kf2 considering weapons are the same across the board in kf2

Meanwhile we have an rng clusterfuck in Darktide

[blissful flame]

okay we're both kinda right, according to google

only certain types of enemies get more HP in KF2

[umbral scaffold]

Probably the heavier ones like fleshpounds and scrakes right

[stiff glacier]

Kf 2 included also zeds getting new behaviours

Like protecting their faces

Or new attack patterns

[blissful flame]

google says scrake, fleshpounds,a nd bosses get more hp

[stiff glacier]

When difficulty increased

[blissful flame]

and yeah, that's what i was trying to say before, they get new things to do. it's 5am and words are hard

[umbral scaffold]

I’m pretty sure hp for clots is a bit different, like the starting 9mm will pop a clots head but depending on difficulty they’ll still be up for a short while despite it

I was a little kid playing the first killing floor and freaked out seeing they were still alive after I blew their fricking head off

[stiff glacier]

Imagine if ragers started to hold their melees in front of their faces to block hs

[umbral scaffold]

Plasma guns reaction to that

[blissful flame]

ragers? blocking? but then they woldn't be attacking!

[stiff glacier]

Also in kf 1 some bigger zeds got resistances to specific weapon types

[umbral scaffold]

Yes

Scrakes have explosive resistance

[stiff glacier]

And res vs bolts

[umbral scaffold]

Fleshpounds are the opposite, they resist everything but explosives

[blissful flame]

most of what i remember from kiling floor is that one time playing with friends i forgot the "toss dosh" gutton

i threw several grenades in between rounds

i did not survive

and my friend recorded it

[stiff glacier]

Healing grenade my beloved

[late hatch]

You get bonus wounds on lower diff too

[blissful flame]

oh man, i forgot my "best' mark 3 power sword was from before the rebalance. it's only got a t3 power cycler, and it's locked

yeah mortis is right, a vet has 3 wounds on malice, but only 2 on heresy/damnation

[umbral scaffold]

1 wound by default

You go down once and after that you’re ded

[blissful flame]

shit when did i get this? this looks good

[late hatch]

I sometimes take bonus wound for psyker but not other classes. Its a pain when you pop yourself or get left behind and have to struggle your way to catch up to some speedy bois as a slow af psyker.
ps I hate knife players who just rush ahead and have no concept of doing a 180 to see where everyone else is

[blissful flame]

i might need to take along a wound on my vet, cause i run plasma right now

on the other hand, i might be able to get that psyker achievement for peril-ing some elites as a bet with my plasma, unless they fixed that lol

[umbral scaffold]

Why is plasma a reason to bring another wound

[blissful flame]

cause i've blown myself up with it

[umbral scaffold]

Don’t rmb then unless there is an armor train

[late hatch]

just remember to alt fire to vent

[trim hemlock]

Don’t use charged shots with plasma 🥶

There’s no good reason for using them

[umbral scaffold]

Charged shots aren’t useful outside of crusher congo lines

[blissful flame]

i did both malice and damnation for the first timef or real recently, and the only time i went down was because i SD'd

no charge on bosses either?

i went down because there was a boss, a big room full of armor,a dn also a pox hound horde

[late hatch]

depends on how good your shot is. sometimes i charge it for bosses, but if you miss it would have been better to just spam normal fire

like a burgle is a good target for charged shots

[blissful flame]

a what now?

ah, beast of nurgle

[late hatch]

beast of nurgle = burgle

[blissful flame]

took me a second

and yeah, the boss was a burgle, and it had its back to me

[late hatch]

plogryn = plague ogryn

[blissful flame]

just with a big room full of threats and dogs everywhere, i wasn't looking at my heat guage

[umbral scaffold]

If you’re gonna charge shot pay attention to your heat level at least. Plasma is very easy not to blow up with

I’ve only ever blown up dealing with crusher trains and not paying attention but it’s as simple as paying attention

[late hatch]

and remember to space out your nades. they give some good stagger which gives you more time

[blissful flame]

my current build i got regenerating shredders, but not upgraded ones

[trim hemlock]

You won't cleave multiple Crushers with a charged shot either, so no, even then you don't really want to use charged shots

[blissful flame]

i might give up some reload speed to upgrade the shredders

[umbral scaffold]

How many is multiple

[late hatch]

charged shots have stagger though dont they?

[blissful flame]

doesnt carapace stop even plasma cleave?

[trim hemlock]

Why does it matter? You will not damage more than one Crusher at a time

[umbral scaffold]

Are you using blaze away? Power increases weapon cleave thus penetrating carapace

[white minnow]

carapace stops all finite cleave

[trim hemlock]

…

YES

EXACTLY

[white minnow]

you need a specific attribute, such as from Perfect Strike or Sunder, to cleave carapace

[umbral scaffold]

What’s the proof for this

I’m not saying I don’t believe you but it’s my word against yours

[white minnow]

alright then i'll record a video of full stacks blaze away plasma

[trim hemlock]

Plasma don’t have a property for cleaving carapace in its lua code

Carapace as an armour/health type has a property that anything without that overriding property hits it - it immediately drops the cleave value of an attack to zero

[white minnow]

perfect strike is in here as infinite_melee_cleave_on_crit, with the ignore_armor_aborts_attack_critical_strike being the relevant attribute

[trim hemlock]

Plasma doesn’t override this - some blessings do, like Arco mentioned

[white minnow]

i'm gonna go look for sunder and see what it does

[trim hemlock]

It should grant the “can cleave carapace property” and reduce the cleave mass of any potential enemies by… 75% IIRC?

But do correct me if I’m wrong 🥶

[white minnow]

it should yeah

it should be the same thing as perfect strike

[umbral scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/trump-wow-telling-me-now-first-time-surprised-gif-1695387857546901797

At least plasma has one weakness… sort of

[white minnow]

sunder is this thingy in here

same ignore_armor_aborts_attack deal

https://streamable.com/gjzjda

[umbral scaffold]

What about when crushers are literally inside of each other

[white minnow]

they'll prob get hit by the impact explosion

lemme see

[umbral scaffold]

Givin each other ogryn backshots fr

[white minnow]

yeah the second ogryn takes damage from the explosion https://streamable.com/elr7r6

[umbral scaffold]

That’s a decent amount of splash dmg for the fun sized variant of the plasma gun that we use

I forget that the plasma has aoe dmg in Darktide

Because in the video they need to practically hug each other for it to have an effect

[white minnow]

here's some "proof" to be certain that that's from the explosion https://streamable.com/dhpyte; note the +90 in the bottom-right corner representing the # of enemies killed

oop

https://streamable.com/dhpyte

[umbral scaffold]

Good chat

[white minnow]

top 10 unlisted mechanics

[blissful flame]

amazing the places we go when someone just says "i blew myself up"

[trim hemlock]

You live and learn

[umbral scaffold]

RMB doesn’t even penetrate! Wow. Just like the avg Darktide gamer

[umbral scaffold]

Bros tummy hurts

[ivory bronze]

He a brave boy and is serving the emprah through his tummy ache

[lone sierra]

ANY GOOD BUILD RECOMENDETION EXCEPT PLASMA GUN

[shadow aurora]

What kind of build do you want

[lone sierra]

some sort of maschin pistol

machin

[tall nova]

chain axe/sword and zarona revolver

or shovel + agri revolver

[shadow aurora]

The shredder autopistol?

[lone sierra]

no something like columnus

[shadow aurora]

Sorry xbox to cloud screenshots take a bit

[shadow aurora]

Ok id go for some like this.

[lone sierra]

by the way i like recon las gun too not laspistol

the snipe recon las gun i meant

[lone sierra]

.

[shadow aurora]

For a melee weapon you can make alot work but i personally use the MKIV catchan claw sword

If you need help with perks and blessings i cam try and help

Im not to knowledgeable on that stuff but i know enough

[lone sierra]

what is your ranged and mele weapon trait and perks?

also can yo utell me your ranged weapon agian

?

[muted knot]

@lone sierra https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ad7444e-4f5f-4cae-9bf9-d706165d1e2d/no-keystone-columnus

I use this for Columnus Iag

For perks you want flak/maniac

For blessings you want dum dum and something else

Second blessing is kind of a personal choice

I like speed loader

For melee weapon you can run whatever really, the Powersword mk6 is always a great option but you can go for devil's claw or chainsword too

[lone sierra]

nice gonna try that

[muted knot]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9b6194c6-59be-4d2d-a21c-07634b843e6a/agri-stronk

This is roughly what I use for agri Iag

Quickly made it up from memory so there might be some mistakes

But the big important things are here

For curios I got 3x toughness each with extra toughness and gunner resist

[lone sierra]

[tiny summit]

Made a mistake

[hoary horizon]

Only time Ulgo allow veteran to berate Ulgo. Is if veteran wears commissar

[tiny summit]

May give rending more of a try at some point

[muted knot]

What you running with this ?

[muted knot]

Why run catch a breath ?

[tiny summit]

This is my Exe IAGs build

Because Catch a Breath is good

[muted knot]

Is it ?

[tiny summit]

Yea

[muted knot]

Feels kind of mediocre to me

Same with born leader

[tiny summit]

The regen is good. Constantly regening counter firing gunners, there are many moments in between enemies coming in and out that you get regen.

For The Emperor is also mediocre being 10% dmg on Exe cast while Born Leader is always active with ET and CK procs and Catch a Breath

[muted knot]

I tend to be in the thicc of things so I rarely get 8m breathing room

Have you tried out for blood ?

[tiny summit]

Exe can last how long vs 5s of 10% dmg

I have, I prefer CK

[muted knot]

That's fair

[frank ether]

FtE only makes sense with VoC

[tiny summit]

It's a common way to view things since it is a horde shooter and damn enemy density. I like repositioning to shoot more in my fps

I like OfB on my more melee builds with VoC

[pliant sentinel]

Got really lucky