The recoil just feels... weird
#veteran-class
fresh ginkgo
fresh ginkgo
Really? Huh
slow spade
Rashad axe needing near perfect rolls or its bad :p
fresh ginkgo
I was aiming at chest height, so then the recoil would put the last bullet in their head
gusty bison
I was aiming at chest height, so then the recoil would put the last bullet in th...
Yea thats the play
fresh ginkgo
The burst fire feels like playing CSGO, it's just strange. Not bad, but strange
hoary horizon
Ulgo saw guardsmen with gas mask use nothing but shovel and knife on gun
wanton dawn
My average experience is being top damage dealt on 90% game i play regardless of gun. So when I get beaten convincingly by another vet I look into it
hoary horizon
Ulgo like them
gusty bison
The burst fire feels like playing CSGO, it's just strange. Not bad, but strange
Its basicallt full auto cos it refires so fast
Theres almost no delay
hoary horizon
But Ulgo ask why they do this?
fresh ginkgo
But Ulgo ask why they do this?
krieg fanboy
gusty bison
But Ulgo ask why they do this?
Bayo stronk
fresh ginkgo
shovel memes
slow spade
But Ulgo ask why they do this?
Bayonet is one of the better melee weapons for vet
It used to be one of the best
gusty bison
Also its probably someone bored AF
hoary horizon
What is a fanboy? Ulgo remmember gas maskers
wanton dawn
Bayonet is the strongest melee available to vet for anything that is not carapace
gusty bison
But like bayo only auric damnation maelstrom is a viable option
hoary horizon
Not know what fanboy it
fresh ginkgo
What is a fanboy? Ulgo remmember gas maskers
Gas mask man like shovel and bayonet bit much
gas mask man given this like by internet funny pictures
hoary horizon
Oohh like brawler like ration too much?
fresh ginkgo
Yes
slow spade
Not know what fanboy it
Fanboy is basically someone that roleplays as someone else to an obnoxious level
hoary horizon
Ok. Ulgo understands. Is like Ulgo and ripper gun. But bad
slow spade
Like Xbox players using Krieg uniform and helbore 😔
hoary horizon
Fanboy is basically someone that roleplays as someone else to an obnoxious level
So not like how Ulgo like ripper gun?
fresh ginkgo
I'm not free of that problem myself though. I roll the full Cadia outfit and the MK II recon
slow spade
So not like how Ulgo like ripper gun?
The main difference is they will do it even if they know it drags everyone else down
hoary horizon
Ulgo has metal head part
slow spade
Like in DRG where drillers C4 Scouts randomly
fresh ginkgo
hoary horizon
Gave pal Nekl old Ulgo picture
wanton dawn
fresh ginkgo
Like in DRG where drillers C4 Scouts randomly
It's hardwired into our neurons
See Scout, pull out C4, drop C4 and hit detonate
slow spade
It's hardwired into our neurons
The problem is when it comes at the price of other people's enjoyment
hoary horizon
Ulgo not understand what happen to a Cadia. But Ulgo see cutthroat sad it gone
slow spade
That's when its cringe
fresh ginkgo
DRG players are generally good sports, which is weird for such a big community
slow spade
If the scout isn't mining or firing flares, he gets the C4 though
hoary horizon
OOOHH DRG
fresh ginkgo
As long as you instantly get them up they don't care
hoary horizon
ULGO LOVE TINY LITTLE ONES
fresh ginkgo
It's just another funny like mushroom or we're rich
hoary horizon
They always team player. Like Ulgo!
fresh ginkgo
found a jadiz
slow spade
DRG players are generally good sports, which is weird for such a big community
Its at the opposite spectrum now where its toxic positivity and they force "good vibes" even at legit issues
hoary horizon
Ulgo hate competitive game. Ulgo love co-op-era-tive games
slow spade
Yeah I imagined the game's community wouldn't stay so healthy for that long
At least its different from being called slurs on League
fresh ginkgo
At least its different from being called slurs on League
That's part of the charm
(I have never played League)
slow spade
Ulgo hate competitive game. Ulgo love co-op-era-tive games
There always competition its called "ammo picked up" 
fresh ginkgo
There always competition its called "ammo picked up" <:whatthefuck_heresy:104972...
Wrong
The real competition is weakspot kills
slow spade
One day I will have all the ammo picked up UwU
fresh ginkgo
(i fire blindly at head height to try make it happen)
gusty bison
:c
fresh ginkgo
Its plasteel picked up
REAL
hoary horizon
There always competition its called "ammo picked up" <:whatthefuck_heresy:104972...
Is why Ulgo gun lugger. Ulgo need much ammo so team leave Ulgo ammo
hoary horizon
Rookie numbers
fresh ginkgo
please
slow spade
Its plasteel picked up
All about Diamantine 💪
hoary horizon
Ulgo started since game open for console
slow spade
Is why Ulgo gun lugger. Ulgo need much ammo so team leave Ulgo ammo
Competition spotted >.>
gusty bison
Let us convert diamantine to credits at a 1 to 500 ratio
hoary horizon
Competition spotted >.>
Ulgo kill horde yes? So Ulgo need ammo
fresh ginkgo
Let us convert diamantine to credits at a 1 to 500 ratio
You'd be an instant multi millionaire because of how fucking common diamantine is
gusty bison
You'd be an instant multi millionaire because of how fucking common diamantine i...
Then u go broke rolling for weapons
;P
hoary horizon
Yes would be funny to use shovel. But Ulgo want use gun.
fresh ginkgo
Nah dockets are easy to come by
slow spade
Ulgo kill horde yes? So Ulgo need ammo
Brb picking up 3 ammo stashes for my lasgun UwU
fresh ginkgo
I've been sat on 4mil for ages because I've got every weapon I want
Apart from ogryn
slow spade
Nah dockets are easy to come by
The real endgame is when plasteel is in excess and dockets are low
fresh ginkgo
I haven't made an ogryn
gusty bison
Time to start trying weapons u never wanted
hoary horizon
Brb picking up 3 ammo stashes for my lasgun UwU
Ok little one 
gusty bison
;P
hoary horizon
Wait... is bad for Ulgo 
gusty bison
Wait... is bad for Ulgo <:staregryn:1022085083844325376>
You know. Thats what barrels are for
slow spade
Time to start trying weapons u never wanted
Facts, I just dumped like 400k dockets for a gun recently
fresh ginkgo
Time to start trying weapons u never wanted
slow spade
You know. Thats what barrels are for
A sacrifice I'm willing to make
wanton dawn
Am gonna check but I am pretty sure I am filthy rich right now
hoary horizon
You know. Thats what barrels are for
Not to kill heretic?
wanton dawn
The money I spend the most is melk buck cuz I like getting all blessings
slow spade
I aspire to reach this level of ammo gremlin 🙏
gusty bison
...
hoary horizon
The guy stealing ur ammo is clearly a heretic
Really?
slow spade
Its the only way I can think of
wanton dawn
Here ya go
fresh ginkgo
It was a recon user probably aiming at chest
What's really insulting is
slow spade
Here ya go
Broke bitch spotted
hoary horizon
On my way
fresh ginkgo
Because of the massive magazine and ROF
slow spade
Because of the massive magazine and ROF
On top of ammo regen
gusty bison
Sheodoq u might wanna lock ur doors lol
fresh ginkgo
There is literally no excuse NOT to hit headshots with the recon
Anyone aiming at chest is doing so on purpose
gusty bison
Yep
slow spade
Sheodoq u might wanna lock ur doors lol
Do not worry, I have hired 40 trappers to camp my bushes
hoary horizon
slow spade
There is literally no excuse NOT to hit headshots with the recon
The skill level in darktide is funny
fresh ginkgo
Do not worry, I have hired 40 trappers to camp my bushes
Get 40 bombers to turn the forest into a fire-themed bullet hell
wanton dawn
https://tenor.com/view/pootis-enage-pootis-tf2-heavy-heavy-tf2-gif-1255397803831...
Where is the second toilet Ulgo ?
WHERE IT IS ?
hoary horizon
Is Ulgo secret
wanton dawn
Seeing someone aggroing DH and dying: PANIK
Seeing the 2nd dude aggroed being a shield ogryn: kalm
fresh ginkgo
DH is extremely funny
hoary horizon
Ogryn is lots corruption. Panik
hoary horizon
DH is extremely funny
Ulgo kill one by himself! Whole team down but Ulgo prevail!
fresh ginkgo
I've become so accustomed to some dipshit PUG aggroing them by now, it doesn't even cross my mind when I see the 2nd healthbar appear on the top of the screen
fresh ginkgo
Ulgo kill one by himself! Whole team down but Ulgo prevail!
Doing the Emperor's work big man
hoary horizon
They say they proud of me. So Ulgo do it again
fresh ginkgo
I usually die to them but you can do some pretty aggressive defending with the Catachan sword parries
May as well shave a few thousand HP off it before getting turned into a fart cloud
somber axle
What's a good DH shredding load out? Sometimes pubs stumble into them and I'd love to just tear apart the DH to save the guy who screwed up
hoary horizon
Agreed. Ulgo hate demonhead
hoary horizon
What's a good DH shredding load out? Sometimes pubs stumble into them and I'd lo...
OGRYN RIPPER GUNLUGGER
fresh ginkgo
What's a good DH shredding load out? Sometimes pubs stumble into them and I'd lo...
Gun lugger ogryn absolutely destroys them
gusty bison
What's a good DH shredding load out? Sometimes pubs stumble into them and I'd lo...
Psword. Shovel. Bolter to the face.
hoary horizon
Sorry Ulgo got excited
somber axle
OGRYN RIPPER GUNLUGGER
I need to level Ogryn to protect the little ones
gusty bison
Bolter does kinda need u to wait for them to calm down though
hoary horizon
I need to level Ogryn to protect the little ones
Only tip you need for Ogryn. Protec the lil uns
fresh ginkgo
A zealot with bloodletting will do pretty well too if they spam the shred
somber axle
Bolter does kinda need u to wait for them to calm down though
Cavalcade instead of Surgical for unloading into DH? Or is Surgical still better to take? I assume Pinning Fire as the other blessing either way, yeah?
gusty bison
And u can stack 🔥 and 🩸
fresh ginkgo
It's my next favourite vet weapon after the MK II
gusty bison
Cavalcade instead of Surgical for unloading into DH? Or is Surgical still better...
Take surgical for everything else
Tbh
hollow ibex
And u can stack 🔥 and 🩸
if only the bleed stacks on multiple targets per shot...
gusty bison
U aint going after DHs after all
somber axle
True
hoary horizon
Ulgo say use what you want. But remmember to help team
somber axle
Always ADS on Boltgun except when fighting monstrosities and unloading into their face
fresh ginkgo
if only the bleed stacks on multiple targets per shot...
It doesn't?
gusty bison
At least for vet
fresh ginkgo
oh dear
fresh ginkgo
Ah well. I never use Kantrael ammo on crowds anyway
gusty bison
Good for mixed hordes tbf
fresh ginkgo
That's "how to run out of ammo in 4 waves" 101
gusty bison
3 shots and the entire horde evaporates
fresh ginkgo
The horde's not too consequential. I'm usually focused on the rest of the team & specials
gusty bison
Mixed hordes usually also have ragers and maukers
hollow ibex
the burn's pretty efficient at clearing hordes
gusty bison
Those are the guys ur actually aiming at
fresh ginkgo
Yup
hollow ibex
including specialists/most elites
gusty bison
U just happen to also murder everything else
fresh ginkgo
Specials go first and then you can get stuck in
It's like playing revolver, except I'm not required to aim 
gusty bison
I wish revolver required aim lmao
Kantrael shotty primary fire requires more aim than volver
somber axle
Revolver has been really fun lately for running around and one tapping specials that spawn
fresh ginkgo
Kantrael shotty primary fire requires more aim than volver
Are you serious
gusty bison
I am
somber axle
2 tap muties and crushers
fresh ginkgo
gusty bison
Revolver has aim assist
gusty bison
Cos it shoots softballs
You can hit the upper torso on many enemies with a volver and it counts as a headtap
But yea volver basically is shooting heads that are double sized
fresh ginkgo
That's absolutely disgusting
fresh ginkgo
I tried plasma but, weirdly, couldn't make it work too well
hollow ibex
tbf with kanty you can take follow-up shots pretty easily
gusty bison
I tried plasma but, weirdly, couldn't make it work too well
Plasma basically is perfectly accurate
No suppression/stagger/sway
hollow ibex
i mean you can with revolver too, it's just that you have less ammo
fresh ginkgo
I'm just used to a faster playstyle, I think. Plasma's quite slow
hollow ibex
plasma is prob the most broken gun in the game right now
fresh ginkgo
Really? Huh, weird. It's what I felt the most vulnerable with while swapping
And/or firing
hollow ibex
but it's like .25 seconds
gusty bison
The iLas actually can make u wanna tear ur hair out with how vulnerable it is
fresh ginkgo
try the bolter, then try the plasma
I use the bolter on my zealot as a special sniper, I will say that - yeah, it's much slower than the plasma
gusty bison
Cos of its poor stability forcing u to dodge less
fresh ginkgo
The iLas actually can make u wanna tear ur hair out with how vulnerable it is
Started using the ilas because of my guardsman obsession
Stopped because it was just
I usually come out of a mission with ~150 damage taken
That mission? 800
fresh ginkgo
Yeah the 12 is the one I tried to use
gusty bison
1a is better
fresh ginkgo
I picked up a 4, I've been putting off trying it out though. Too used to my comfort zone
gusty bison
MG 4 kinda needs full auto mod
coral bloom
The mk12 ive been using has 49 stability but 80 dmg stats. It is a bit iffy to use with the recoil, sway and low firerate. Prefer laspistol at that point.
fresh ginkgo
MG 4 kinda needs full auto mod
That the one that turns semi auto weapons into full auto?
gusty bison
The old one is like arguably one of the best if not the best gun outside of the OP trio
gusty bison
That the one that turns semi auto weapons into full auto?
Ye
It just saves ur finger for the MG4
And the new laspistol is also very solid
fresh ginkgo
As in, it holds down left click for you or it changes how the weapon fires? I was looking at that mod but it looked shady
hollow ibex
As in, it holds down left click for you or it changes how the weapon fires? I wa...
it's fine
gusty bison
As in, it holds down left click for you or it changes how the weapon fires? I wa...
It basically fires as fast as the gun would let u fire normally
hollow ibex
i got hundreds of hours in the game and basically always had that mod on
hollow ibex
It basically fires as fast as the gun would let u fire normally
yup, it's not cheating
gusty bison
It doesnt do any cheese/quickswap tricks to game a higher rof
hollow ibex
it's literally just quality of life
gusty bison
Basically if u spam clicked a MG12 u would realize the gun has a max rof
hollow ibex
good for player retention since half the player base won't quit from developing carpal tunnel playing this game
fresh ginkgo
One of the reasons I stopped using the knife
gusty bison
All that mod does is shoot as fast as the max rof would let u shoot
hollow ibex
lol yeah there's a full auto mod for melee weapons too
called keep swinging
took me a while to get used to it, but i do use it now
alternatively, mk6 knife is less painful on your fingers
since it's more reliant on heavies
fresh ginkgo
I couldn't use that tbh. I picked up the Catachan sword anyway and never looked back
hollow ibex
catachan is great
fresh ginkgo
One of my party tricks with my friends on VC is to walk into a rager crowd, get 5 kills and then walk out
I'll convince them to use it one day
They're knife users 😔
fresh ginkgo
Like come on man
How am I NOT supposed to abuse this
As for the shovel, an awesome weapon but the sound design is just
It just sounds like hitting someone with a wimpy little foam bat
gusty bison
PONGGGGGG
fresh ginkgo
"pom boof pom pom bop pom boof"
I have standards man, I used to main the chainaxe for crying out loud
The sound has to be good 
rare prawn
After hours of crafting, finally manged to get a decent columnus. First run with it, popped skull stimm & F killed entire beast of nurgle in almost one clip, a thing of beauty
slow spade
After hours of crafting, finally manged to get a decent columnus. First run with...
Needs a buff 😎
gusty bison
Needs a buff 😎
Recoil too high.
Removed recoil
muted knot
Recoil too high and mag too small
timid otter
Recoil too high.
Removed recoil
Can you post your vraks 7 talent tree, perks?
gusty bison
Can you post your vraks 7 talent tree, perks?
Iirc its Elite + Maniac or Unarmoured + Maniac depending on what you need for the dreg gunner breakpoint
muted knot
Why run mf with it ?
timid otter
right one is elite + maniac left one is unarmored + maniac?
gusty bison
right one is elite + maniac left one is unarmored + maniac?
Test it for yourself
Its very dependent on your gun
gusty bison
Why run mf with it ?
2.7x finesse go brrr
gusty bison
Im assumeing perfect weapons.
Also focus target builds want elite instead of unarmoured
Since focus target will take you over the top
gusty bison
Why run mf with it ?
But to expand on my last point. Vraks 7 is a gun where bodyshots are complete ass. You need to be going for headshots. And what MF does is it pushes you over the crit 1 tap headshot range for ragers, and allows for consistent non crit 1 tap headshots on gunners.
So if you are going for headshots constantly anyway, why not MF?
timid otter
Im nearly done with this blasted document
bitter turtle
So if you are going for headshots constantly anyway, why not MF?
It's not bad but I run focus target instead
You can already 1 tap gunner without mf
So all it does is push you over for dreg rager
gusty bison
It's not bad but I run focus target instead
That works too
bitter turtle
Focus target for stam regen for more deadshot was more valuable I found
Since the single BP for dreg rager was unreliable in the end, needs crit and high mf stack
wary rover
what do we think of this bad boy?
cant decide if i wanna switch to bm or not
or something else good idk what is meta rn
bitter turtle
Flak is meh and slaughter should be sunder or bm
wary rover
flak isnt good?
timid otter
Maniac is only relevant on mk6 if running precision strikes, 10% melee, desperado. It does near nothing without these talents. (melee veteran focused)
Flak is replaced with unyielding if running 10% melee, desperado, superiority complex, precision strikes as it does not hit any new relevant breakpoints except on scab gunner.
bitter turtle
I guess I'd change to sunder so the Flak does something
timid otter
i would replace slaughterer
bitter turtle
flak isnt good?
It does so much dmg that it changes nothing for BP on flak targets
gusty bison
Im nearly done with this blasted document
WHoa whoa
hold up
Are you doing a document for all the weapons?
timid otter
pretty much
bitter turtle
Unyielding = 1 shot bulwark and boss dmg
Maniac = one-shot mutants
Carapace = one shot Crushers ( you can do this without Carapace but need a fair amount of talents on tree)
bitter turtle
But not really the point
gusty bison
you should hit Scab gunner bp no problem
bitter turtle
Iirc you lose it if you drop flak
gusty bison
its 200 less hp than dreg gunner and ADM is 1.0x
bitter turtle
I can't test bc internet is dead
wanton dawn
Imagine not taking plasma in no ammo modifier
bitter turtle
Elite +maniac might do it but I didn't test
gusty bison
dreg might need Superiority
bitter turtle
I know I needed something to push over scab gunners
wary rover
all of this crafting and bp stuff is destroying my brain
bitter turtle
Flak might be overkill but you might as well run it to 1s ragers too, unless elite does something else
gusty bison
@timid otter This is what I would recommend in a guide
wary rover
its so hard to know what is important with ur talents and what is literally useless
bitter turtle
<@336167727444262912> This is what I would recommend in a guide
I think u need 10 rending
gusty bison
For maniac?
gusty bison
Should be able to with +25% maniac no?
gusty bison
Ye
bitter turtle
For my tree it also one-shots everything except dreg ragers
gusty bison
You can always move the ogryn node over
bitter turtle
And ogryns
timid otter
Flak might be overkill but you might as well run it to 1s ragers too, unless el...
Longshot will pretty easyily with 10% elites.
gusty bison
But yea the reason why I recommend this build instead is because its more friendly to pick up
agile forge
Dreg ragers are fucking arseholes
gusty bison
its less feast or famine.
agile forge
They laugh at your breakpoints
gusty bison
And its got more tou regen + tou resistances
bitter turtle
Longshot will pretty easyily with 10% elites.
I don't like relying on Longshot for Ragers
Half the time I'm shooting them close up anyway
timid otter
Nah im talking about the scab gunners
timid otter
you only have to be like 12m away from them
bitter turtle
If all it does is scab gunner u might as well flak
gusty bison
But what does 10 elite do besides that
Scab rager
bitter turtle
Flak does Rager too
bitter turtle
Do you not run unarmored
bitter turtle
How do you one-shot dreg gunner then
Elite alone doesn't do it
I tried
If it's elite maniac I mean
timid otter
this is just plasma all over again
gusty bison
How do you one-shot dreg gunner then
Focus target 2 stacks is enough with Elite
If you are going that way
otherwise MF 2 stacks also does it
bitter turtle
Ig it's preference
gusty bison
And its absurdly easy to get 2 MF stax
bitter turtle
I do not like relying on conditional for gunner bp
bitter turtle
Tagging everything before shooting it slows me down at least
Also all it really gets u is the dreg rager BP building this way which is.. eh imo, but I get it now
bitter turtle
Well wouldn't it slow u down on dreg gunner packs
You need 2 stack no?
So you gotta wait for 1 stack or shoot twice
If you're picking them off rapidly
Or 🙏 for crit
Mf works but ya I don't like conditional BP on the gunners
gusty bison
You need 2 stack no?
You always have 2 stacks
when you kill a guy you marked you get 1 stack back
bitter turtle
O
gusty bison
You always have a minimum of 1 stack
So as long as you kill what you mark, you maintain a baseline of 2 stax
bitter turtle
Wait but
You don't need superiority complex for these bps 🤔
?
On that tree you posted
bitter turtle
Ya
bitter turtle
Oh lol
gusty bison
Wilmer is putting together a guide so I dumbed down the build a bit
bitter turtle
At first i thought about trying your version bc it saves tree pts
But then I realized
It saves pts because drops elite dmg
gusty bison
Optimally you wanna drop CK and take Superiority complex
bitter turtle
And I was like wait wtf how do u hit bp then
gusty bison
@timid otter Relevant info for you btw
bitter turtle
Nvm our trees basically have the same required pts then
gusty bison
If you wanna have a "introductory" level tree and a more "advanced" tree
bitter turtle
I'll stick to my no tag tree
timid otter
Oh i only care about bps for now
bitter turtle
I don't value dreg rager one-shot enough to tag gunners
bitter turtle
Optimally you wanna drop CK and take Superiority complex
And ya I was tempted cause I thought I could grab movespeed node and out for blood this way lmao
But I realized those pts in ck are from dropping elite dmg
gusty bison
Oh i only care about bps for now
Then these two would be the builds
Build 1
Elite + Maniac if you are ok with tagging gunners
Unarmoured + Maniac if not.
gusty bison
Build 2
Unarmoured + Maniac if you arent willing to stack 2 MF stax
Elite + maniac if you do
gusty bison
Mhm
timid otter
But right now i really just want to get the weapons done
Im honestly abit burnt out.
bitter turtle
I would ask one of u to check but I'm p sure unarmored manaic will lose scab gunner
gusty bison
I would ask one of u to check but I'm p sure unarmored manaic will lose scab gun...
Depends
do you have superiority compelx?
bitter turtle
Ya
gusty bison
So unarmoured flak
gusty bison
But then you lose the flamer bp?
bitter turtle
For unarmored flak
No
Rending 10%
That is why u take it
Pushes you over to 1s flamer on crit
I don't think it's possible to no crit 1s
Even with maniac
gusty bison
Ah ye
gusty bison
I don't think it's possible to no crit 1s
its possible with MF
bitter turtle
But ya
gusty bison
but
bitter turtle
You can use that tree for unarmored flak and the last 3 pts go anywhwre
bitter turtle
You can do what grawr does and dip into right side or personally I just take nade shit lmao
And ya mf works but again
Conditional so I don't like
Esp on flamers
Sometimes ur shooting them when your stacks are cold
Since they approach from nowhere
bitter turtle
You have maniac on the gun no?
gusty bison
Ye
bitter turtle
Dregs or flak ragers both can be 1s crit
If u have flak or maniac
But you can't take both on v7
So you'll always only os one
And not the other
My unarmored flak version one-shot flak ragers
I assume ur maniac elite version one-shot dregs
Or I assumed earlier at least
You could run flaniac but then you'll definitely miss dreg gunner bp
And that's way more important than a rager for v7 imo
But I did know one person that ran
Flaniac opening Salvo
gusty bison
Oof
bitter turtle
To kill gunner with opening Salvo buff
gusty bison
You lose SO much though
bitter turtle
But then no deadly accurate so you don't one-shot half the things u used to anymore
So it's meaningless anyway
gusty bison
Yep
bitter turtle
Anyway that's why I build mine this way, tbh I think the tradeoff of ur build vs mine is that you save 1 pt not needing rending strikes for flamers if ur willing to tag gunners
bitter turtle
In the end we both can only OS a single rager type
tiny summit
how do I find orthus offensive groups
LFG channel here
gusty bison
With stacks?
2 MF stacks
gusty bison
and 2 is very easy
bitter turtle
Or ig u just build stacks while shooting them nvm
For gunners
Maybe you don't 1s the first one but it's fine after
gusty bison
Also I have like
60% crit rate base sooo
Also if im dealing with a gunner patrol Im usually popping VoC
which the temporary buff brings me over the threshold anyway
Its a lot of situational things but theres enough of them that it brings me over the top reliably like 90% of the time
bitter turtle
Nah I get it
Tbh if u crit on the first shot then the BP doesn't matter anyway so ya
I just rather have it guaranteed
Esp since I hipfire the gun a surprising amount
gusty bison
yea thats the pain
wanton dawn
good point
bitter turtle
Ok
Did I have a fever dream
Or does flechette get bug fixed to work past the first enemy hit on kant recently
bitter turtle
Cause I remember wanting to try that after hearing that recently
gusty bison
This is gonna be fucking annoying to check
bitter turtle
But now I'm not sure if it was a dream
wanton dawn
Cause I remember wanting to try that after hearing that recently
apparently work as long as not crusher
lemme check
gusty bison
Nice
bitter turtle
If it works I'm gonna have to make one
Flechette scattershot wep specialist kant
Does reload speed affect special action shell load 🤔
wanton dawn
apparently yes
gusty bison
Does reload speed affect special action shell load 🤔
Yep. P14 buffed this
bitter turtle
I'm sick of rolling for a decent chainsword anyway
gusty bison
Agripinna shotgun is funni now
wanton dawn
So apparently bleed does not proc on fire proc, but on cleave proc
wanton dawn
in other word: fire and bullet cleave are 2 different mechanism
bitter turtle
Can load a tfull
I know it doesn't proc on fire but
Does the infinite cleave of the fire bullet proc bleed?
Or do u mean it doesnt
Idk I'm dumb
bitter turtle
I see
gusty bison
Mm
bitter turtle
Not sure if worth 🤔
gusty bison
Heres my kanny build fwiw
wanton dawn
I dunno if crit is worth on kant
bitter turtle
I was gonna do this
gusty bison
I dunno either
wanton dawn
cuz fire does not care about bleed
bitter turtle
wanton dawn
crit
wanton dawn
AAAHHHH
bitter turtle
Maybe I should just play lawbringer flechette
bitter turtle
Ya I was asking earlier if it counts as reload
wanton dawn
guess you should take the 20% reload from non empty mag
bitter turtle
For speedy spells
wanton dawn
Ya I was asking earlier if it counts as reload
Yeah but reloading 1 shell for 1 proc is not great
bitter turtle
Imagine
Triple reload speed talents
Might as well add 10 percent load speed on the gun
gusty bison
Nyoom
wanton dawn
Look: special shell proc the 30% and does not applies to the rest of the reload
I guess kantrael could go flechette+manstopper
instead of scattershot
with deadshot
icy rampart
orthus offensive is actually impossible
wanton dawn
Most cursed gun
tiny summit
Gonna do Exe MF Shotguns and probably go "why am I still doing this?"
wanton dawn
bitter turtle
I guess u still need manstopper then
wanton dawn
Actually went ammo positive on that
bitter turtle
For maximum bleed
wanton dawn
You need manstopper because otherwise crit does not really matter
bitter turtle
Otherwise it stops on first 3?
wanton dawn
fire does not care about crit
bitter turtle
Ya I know
But I meant
The bullet doesn't actually have infinite cleave on kant
Right
wanton dawn
Yeah, otherwise limited target
bitter turtle
Rip
wanton dawn
Now let's try funny
bitter turtle
I guess u can make up with opening Salvo and 5 crit too
wanton dawn
bitter turtle
Does manstopper go through crusher or nah
wanton dawn
don't think so
bitter turtle
Rip
Crusher is beyond man
A manstopperstopper
Btw
If an enemy dies to burn
While u have your melee out
Does it proc wep specialist
Or do you need to double swap back into melee
wanton dawn
Does it proc wep specialist
yes
wanton dawn
There is still one thing i don't understand with rashad
How
Why does flamer take so much from that hit
bitter turtle
How it one-shot maniac on light?
Rashad heavies do less dmg than lights to maniacs
Idk why
Maniacs crazy so they live in backwards land I guess
Also flamer takes increased dmg from melee
Like mutants
So it's like hitting with heavy on other weps
I just don't understand why the dmg profile is reversed
For rashad
tall torrent
Why does flamer take so much from that hit <:whatthefuck_heresy:1049724444207239...
Flamers, hounds, mutants, bombers have melee weakness (3x melee dmg)
hollow ibex
Flamers, hounds, mutants, bombers have melee weakness (3x melee dmg)
wait did you change your pfp
tall torrent
wait did you change your pfp
hollow ibex
was wondering who you were, and then i was like wait, i've seen that cat before
there's like 3 people with cat pfps that are usually hanging out in vet chat
tall torrent
I respect ur opinion
timid otter
Dogs were better nosh?
serene bough
fervent shell
cats are best
so what's a fun build at the moment? did not play for months.
last time I played they just made braced autoguns okish and the slow las gun was still best
wintry lynx
wow, very nice piece mate
torpid pier
oh ty
wanton dawn
Flamers, hounds, mutants, bombers have melee weakness (3x melee dmg)
Only on light though
Heavy does not os
tall torrent
Only on light though
Combat axe overhead heavy attacks have really low maniac dmg
It’s not just for flamers
U can overhead a dreg rager and the dmg is lower than light atk
white minnow
just a weird quirk of the CAxes
the one i'm looking at does 264 to maniacs on lights, and 141 on heavies
they tried to remedy this in the past by lowering the light's damage to maniacs but reverted this iirc
fervent shell
for blessings/perks
I saw that pop up multiple times, any good build to go along with it?
Wanted to reply to the vrak7 message :D
torpid pier
my talents are controversial and I don't think would be optimal since i do not use any keystone currently but it's my preference after playing around with it
the only keystone I haven't played around with is weapon specialist yet
this is my last match in hi-intensity damnation with this build
wanton dawn
my talents are controversial and I don't think would be optimal since i do not u...
Do yah really need demo team with kraks ?
Double dip nade regen ?
torpid pier
My vrak 7 struggles a lot with Crushers
and i don't have a good Psword currently
and bulwarks
even with rending 10% and ogryn dmg increase
wanton dawn
The problem with kraks is the 2 reserve limit
torpid pier
yea
without krak It would be a bit hectic so I like having it always especially since every game i get so many elites and specialist kills
that is vrak 7 strongest point
if I removed Demo what would u replace it with?
like another talent point to get?
lucid pasture
my talents are controversial and I don't think would be optimal since i do not u...
I don't use any of the keystones either, my Vet talent trees look pretty similar to yours actually!
wanton dawn
Confirmed kill, mark for instance
torpid pier
I don't use any of the keystones either, my Vet talent trees look pretty similar...
oh awesome, glad I am not the only one haha
torpid pier
why more dmg on krak if it one shots all ogryns, for monstrosities?
the confirmed kill seems like a cool choice
might give that a try
wanton dawn
For monstro yeah. Though mark would be better for that
agile forge
wanton dawn
https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/s/7mL0Ohhezn
Worse grenade take to start up
agile forge
Mm lol
torpid pier
Confirmed kill, mark for instance
"mark for instance" u meant this right?
agile forge
Not my post, just linked it for fun
wanton dawn
"mark for instance" u meant this right?
The keystone
torpid pier
ah gotcha
wanton dawn
Not my post, just linked it for fun
I know i know
torpid pier
ty for the suggestions, confirmed kill seems like a cool thing to try
lucid pasture
oh awesome, glad I am not the only one haha
My personal vet build, if you're interested. Tried my best at cobbling together a good generalist all-rounder / support class. I swap around a few points here or there depending on my weapon choice.
torpid pier
do u know what toughness number before it start chipping on ur hp? is it 100?
torpid pier
My personal vet build, if you're interested. Tried my best at cobbling together ...
oh awesome, ty for sharing
wanton dawn
do u know what toughness number before it start chipping on ur hp? is it 100?
Percentage based
torpid pier
Percentage based
yea i need to watch a guide on toughness, i still feel I don't have a good handle on that
with toughness and Hp chipping
lucid pasture
My personal vet build, if you're interested. Tried my best at cobbling together ...
This one specifically is my plasma gun build, hence the reload speed buff and a few elite / specialist specific talents.
torpid pier
My personal vet build, if you're interested. Tried my best at cobbling together ...
oh krak with grenadier, that looks nice 😄
wanton dawn
Am not convinced by this build but anything work with plasma
lucid pasture
oh krak with grenadier, that looks nice 😄
Yeah, me and a friend I regularly play with both run krak 'nades, we absolutely shred the bosses lol
torpid pier
haha that sounds fun
lucid pasture
Am not convinced by this build but anything work with plasma
Never said it was good, only said I tried lmao
wanton dawn
Well, among other thing, suppression immunity does nothing on plasma
lucid pasture
No? I only started using plasma last night, so I wouldn't know. No screen shake or anything?
wanton dawn
Does not affect aim nah
Might affect if you are out of thoughness but that is another issue altogether
Cuz if you are shot at without thoughness you die
torpid pier
alright i took out demo for confirmed kill, if I die by a crusher I will blame MrCraime.
lucid pasture
Cuz if you are shot at without thoughness you die <:whatthefuck_heresy:104972444...
I had no idea
wanton dawn
I have 6 build i swap around atm
lucid pasture
Alright well lemme swap out Suppression Immunity and see if I can't hit anything when I get shot at, thanks for the suggestion fellas
lucid pasture
Who needs melee buffs when you're a dodge king with a chainsword 
torpid pier
https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/s/7mL0Ohhezn
I just checked this, i don't have my power cycler IV LOL
that made me laugh, ty for posting
torpid pier
by Twin u mean this
wanton dawn
Yup
torpid pier
with Krak?
torpid pier
ah yea was just about to ask that
terse idol
Urgh my neck, that meme post suucks
At least for the shredder and krak,
Not enough points for krak....
torpid pier
I guess since Plasma struggles with ammo u go with shredder on horde with Twin
wanton dawn
I guess since Plasma struggles with ammo u go with shredder on horde with Twin
Plasma dont really struggle with ammo
wanton dawn
Granted, i am very confortable with no ammo
torpid pier
Do u have a gameplay footage with plasma build?
would be really cool to check how u play with it
wanton dawn
Not gameplay footage. Just scoreboard
torpid pier
aw
lucid pasture
I've revised my plasma build and now have the focus target keystone =v
torpid pier
I've revised my plasma build and now have the focus target keystone =v
u have joined the keystone club
terse idol
I've revised my plasma build and now have the focus target keystone =v
You should definetly grab the 30% weakpoint damage talent
lucid pasture
https://tenor.com/view/baby-baby-crying-bebe-gif-21365129
muted knot
I've revised my plasma build and now have the focus target keystone =v
No survivalist
raw steppe
then when i tried it I absolutely was lost
Shoot the head and dont shoot trash
terse idol
Don't need survivalist
raw steppe
And dont miss
terse idol
muted knot
Don't need survivalist
Don't need but you team will be thankful
torpid pier
And dont miss
see that is my issue
terse idol
Fuck dah teeeam
tall torrent
then when i tried it I absolutely was lost
You’re not supposed to point plasma at every single enemy in the game
terse idol
Why are you using fire team on plasma anyways?
lucid pasture
Why are you using fire team on plasma anyways?
'Cause I forked this plasma build off my lasgun all-rounder and didn't feel like resetting all my talents when I was sleepy last night lmao
tall torrent
Support build with Rashad/Plasma
torpid pier
You’re not supposed to point plasma at every single enemy in the game
yea when i tried it for the first time It was fun deleting everything till i realized my ammo going down real quick and had to be more chill with the plasma gun
tall torrent
Don’t take the +25% ammo talent either
serene sage
you will need to land like 20ish shots, it's not impossible
torpid pier
Support build with Rashad/Plasma
ty for sharing
amber mortar
ok ok
tall torrent
ty for sharing
It’s probably the most “support” u can build for veteran without losing your own performance
lucid pasture
Support build with Rashad/Plasma
I am now copying this and changing a few talents so the teacher doesn't know
tall torrent
I am now copying this and changing a few talents so the teacher doesn't know
You could swap longshot to redirect fire if u don’t feel like tagging things for breakpoints
wanton dawn
aw
Pretty much like this, except it is easier in practice cuz you don't have aggro alone. Also normally I would switch to PS way earlier
tall torrent
Alternatively if your melee weapon doesn’t need the +10% melee to function, you can get field improv / tinkerer
lucid pasture
You could swap longshot to redirect fire if u don’t feel like tagging things for...
B-b-b-but my sweet sweet krak grenades...
tall torrent
B-b-b-but my sweet sweet krak grenades...
Frags are better than Kraks 90% the time
torpid pier
Pretty much like this, except it is easier in practice cuz you don't have aggro ...
GOD DAMN
lucid pasture
No no nooooo!
Yes yes yessss, do you know how many runs I've saved with that talent!?
torpid pier
if those show up while wielding a Vrak 7 I would prob alt+f4
torpid pier
that is insane
terse idol
You really don't need krak
lucid pasture
You *really* don't need krak
Maximum destruction
terse idol
Yes yes yessss, do you know how many runs I've saved with that talent!?
No more runs than if you just saved the cool down by spamming VOC 🥹
terse idol
*Maximum destruction*
TO BE FAIRA
tall torrent
B-b-b-but my sweet sweet krak grenades...
Also pls don’t actually take VoC revive or twinned blast
wanton dawn
This one was, by far, the hardest challenge I done
terse idol
Shredder grenades have more damage to be fair
lucid pasture
No more runs than if you just saved the cool down by spamming VOC 🥹
You make a fair argument. 
signal mango
What Shovel is the closest analog to Ogryn's Shovel19?
(looking for special-action one-shot damage)
tall torrent
What Shovel is the closest analog to Ogryn's Shovel19?
*(looking for special-act...
Mk3
signal mango
ty
terse idol
Like, all I can say is, twin blast is a meme
which to be fair works much better with shredder grenades
tall torrent
If twinned blast was 50% I’d consider it a bit more
lucid pasture
Like, all I can say is, twin blast is a meme
Oh heck I actually picked that by accident lmao
wanton dawn
Actually, I am using twinned blade unironically one one build
lucid pasture
Absentminded clicky
torpid pier
This one was, by far, the hardest challenge I done
duuuuude i want my Power cycler IV, this makes me drool
terse idol
Its waaayy better to throw 2 shredders than 1 krak and 1 krak that is gonna fly in a random direction
torpid pier
Every day checking that damn shop with no luck
wanton dawn
This is my no ammo plasma special
lucid pasture
Its waaayy better to throw 2 shredders than 1 krak and 1 krak that is gonna fly ...
You're absolutely correct and I have remedied this unintentional doofy-ass talent pick
tall torrent
This is my no ammo plasma special
Wait why +suppression
faint beacon
Don't get me wrong grenadier builds are absolutely fun, mainly with Shredders, I await the day the smokes actually serve more of a purpose other than get shot at "slightly" less
wanton dawn
Wait why +suppression
Cuz thoughness on no ammo is not great
tall torrent
*Maximum destruction*
If kraks didn’t take a whole second to blow up and you only get 2 of them, I’d rate them higher
lucid pasture
https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitten-kitty-yeet-funny-gif-21938191
I guueeeessss I can sacrifice one of my funny krak grenades for better talents 
terse idol
Its just, a tool that does no damage
wanton dawn
And i dont ult for dmg
faint beacon
Yeah I use it for my stealth builds
Kinda wish it would suppress or debuff enemies in some way
wanton dawn
Am trying suppression on more stuff lately
faint beacon
Honestly that's a fair point
wanton dawn
IN any case, the first tier of middle tree is pretty meh anyway
faint beacon
Should be a tool for a get the fuck off me to any ranged unit
terse idol
Yeep
tall torrent
Make it so you count as “dodging” ranged attacks as long as you stay inside smoke
wanton dawn
And this is my hybrid plasma build
lucid pasture
@terse idol New plasma build (real)
tall torrent
<@165188614848774147> New plasma build (real)
Don’t actually take volley adept with plasma
You don’t need marksman
torpid pier
And this is my hybrid plasma build
ohh weapon specialist, haven't tried that keystone yet, gonna save that talent for later
terse idol
Honestly just take the 30% weakpoint damage
tall torrent
VoC revive node isn’t needed 99% the time
lucid pasture
Don’t actually take volley adept with plasma
Why? Reload boosty is nice
tall torrent
Honestly just take the 30% weakpoint damage
Plasma really benefits from +25% ammo and +15% elite
tall torrent
Why? Reload boosty is nice
Please don’t tell me you impulsively reload plasma
terse idol
Why? Reload boosty is nice
Gonna say the funny controversial thing but staged reloads can save you from ever needing to reload the plasma
lucid pasture
Please don’t tell me you impulsively reload plasma
I don't but- alright fair point
wanton dawn
It is impossible to go wrong with those node on plasma
terse idol
Like, plasma has so many shots
That you can usually fire enough volleys to complete a situation and then reload on downtime
lucid pasture
Gonna say the funny controversial thing but staged reloads can save you from eve...
Hence why I used it but, may as well try something new.
tall torrent
You have somewhere like 40 shots before u need to reload it
tall torrent
Hence why I used it but, may as well try something new.
Take close order drill + confirmed kill
lucid pasture
You have somewhere like 40 shots before u need to reload it
45 I believe
I counted last night
tall torrent
45 I believe
That’s max ammo roll
lucid pasture
Yeahp
wanton dawn
In any case, the reason why reload talent are not great on plasma is because it is just too slow anyway
terse idol
Hence why I used it but, may as well try something new.
Well yeahhh, I just dont think personally it's like
That crazy
wanton dawn
So in order to reload plasma in fight, you need to time it anyway
tall torrent
The only thing you might want to change here for a plasma build is born leader to either of the other 2 options if you don’t have gloryhunter blessing
wanton dawn
The only thing you might want to change here for a plasma build is born leader t...
Hey, I realized that I could take agile engagement with my build
I need to try it
tall torrent
Hey, I realized that I could take agile engagement with my build <:whatthefuck_h...
It’s nice for rager 1HS and bodyshot flamer/gunner if you build for them
tall torrent
I took longshot for more consistency
If I wanted AE I’d prob need to drop demo team
wanton dawn
Here
tall torrent
Demo team is just too good to pass up tho
lucid pasture
I'm insisting on keeping my krak grenades on my plasma build just because I think it's hella nice to be able to stun the bosses.
tall torrent
I'm insisting on keeping my krak grenades on my plasma build just because I thin...
You can stagger bosses with frags
wanton dawn
Stamina boost too good unfortunately
I don't give a crap about stam boost personally
lucid pasture
You can stagger bosses with frags
They don't stick tho, good luck getting a stagger on a chaos spawn
wanton dawn
Especially with target down
tall torrent
They don't stick tho, good luck getting a stagger on a chaos spawn
Yea drop it at your feet
tall torrent
No that's lame
That sounds more like a personal issue than a gameplay issue
lucid pasture
Correct lmao
tall torrent
Especially with target down
1s stam regen delay just feels awful to me so I take boost all the time
torpid pier
This one was, by far, the hardest challenge I done
I am rewatchng the clips and learning that Psword can Block while charging is insanely big for the Psword
that changes everything
tall torrent
I am rewatchng the clips and learning that Psword can Block while charging is in...
Only mk6
lucid pasture
That sounds more like a personal issue than a gameplay issue
Is rending strikes any good on plasma, in your opinion?
tall torrent
Is rending strikes any good on plasma, in your opinion?
Don’t actually take it
Rending does insignificantly little for plasma
wanton dawn
I am rewatchng the clips and learning that Psword can Block while charging is in...
Don't take all my video at face value though
I do silly challenge from time to time
terse idol
Plasma already has crazy AP
tall torrent
Plasma
Unarmored: 1.1x
Infested: 1.1x
Flak: 1.185x
Unyielding: 1.76x
Carapace: 0.9x
Maniac: 1.475x
The only armor you benefit from rending is carapace going from 0.9x to 1x
torpid pier
Don't take all my video at face value though
nah i learned with plasma clip about heat management, pretty damn cool man. ty for sharing those clips
that is why I love watching gameplay footage
tall torrent
Flak is gonna get a measly +2.5% dmg from that node
torpid pier
so much to learn
lucid pasture
The only armor you benefit from rending is carapace going from 0.9x to 1x
Dang yeah that's worthless
wanton dawn
I don't do that much full gameplay video because i find them boring personally
And I'd have to learn editing
and that's boring too
I think I only have one full gameplay video
torpid pier
I like to watch builds I haven't tried or weapons I failed to make work like for example the Crucis on Zealot I failed to make it work and watched gameplay footage from Lazorr and saw it was played completely different that what I was doing
and that is super fun
tall torrent
Crusher is more fun than thunder hammers
hollow ibex
thunder hammers are just for people who enjoy suffering
reworded
because the M word is a nono word on this christian discord server
idle swallow
Hammerblow/skullcrusher crusher is just a lot of fun, bullying everything short of monsters
Not the best for outright killing crushers but still, it good
hollow ibex
Hammerblow/skullcrusher crusher is just a lot of fun, bullying everything short ...
lol exactly what I’m running
Feels like standard shovel on steroids
wanton dawn
Watching my gameplay make me kinda feel kinda sick ngl
too much stuff going on
animation wise
peak badge
can i get a visual rating on my vet?
wanton dawn
can i get a visual rating on my vet?
commissar/10
lucid pasture
can i get a visual rating on my vet?
7/10 because that chest piece makes you look like a zealot
peak badge
there's been no coat with tassles 😦
lucid pasture
Visual rating on my plasma man?
peak badge
very grunt
idle swallow
blud put a famas rail on his plasma💀
lucid pasture
Hey, that thing would be a bitch to carry without it
tall torrent
can i get a visual rating on my vet?
This actually doesn’t look that bad
peak badge
I have a black commissar outfit already but IMO this is the best red one i could put together with what they've put out so far
tall torrent
I just need them to release some actual armor for veteran
peak badge
i'll bet we're going to get more basic cosmetics with a penance update 2
lucid pasture
I have a black commissar outfit already but IMO this is the best red one i could...
Field officer lookin duder?
peak badge
I have that hat and the Kasrkin pants but i didnt bite on that jacket
looks good though
lucid pasture
I have a thing for bomber jackets, had to get that as soon as I saw it. Just wish it had some pouches on the belt is all.
peak badge
i need a tassles officer coat
lucid pasture
Lookin better with the armageddon pants?
thick flint
what blessings should I be looking out for on combat knives?
peak badge
bleed
tall torrent
what blessings should I be looking out for on combat knives?
Uncanny strike is priority