veteran-class

[frank basin]

Oi, I do remember I installed battleye

[wanton dawn]

THey are just parroting the company they buy their AC from

Spoiler: kernel programming is hard

[blissful flame]

uhuh, and i don't play any games that batleeye is on either

[wanton dawn]

Also not like gamedev at all

[blissful flame]

at least that i know of

[late hatch]

Anticheat in a pvp game is a little diff from in a pve game, but yes. And it is still a concern for me.

[wanton dawn]

Also making AC and making game are 2 things with no real overlapping skill

[frank ether]

Its less about it being kernel but more about a matter of trust that they won't abuse your privacy

[blissful flame]

its also about them not being stupid and leaving my pc vulnerable to some incredibly bad shit if they get compromised

[frank basin]

I agree anti cheat programming is hard same as making multiplayer game

[frank ether]

Its also fishy when these software run without even booting up the game lmao

like vanguard

[frank basin]

nProtect game guard

[wanton dawn]

In any case, skipping AC these day requires hardware bypass with stuff like arduino

In other word, most ppl won't be able to do it

[frank ether]

I put on my pirate hat when playing singleplayer stuff if it has agressive protection

sometimes I had to do that for games I purchased which is outrageous

like its just bad service

[frank basin]

The “you own nothing”

GaaS games like you just borrowing

[blissful flame]

Owning a game physically doesn't mean shit most of the time these days too

[frank ether]

I own some stuff

physical copies and well, pirate hat never fails

its just sad that I have to put on the pirate hat for some of the games I actually physically own

[frank basin]

Yes some of them expensive

Like Spec Ops the line

[frank ether]

and yes I have an old haf case sitting somewhere with a dvd reader

[blissful flame]

I'm looking forward to that new USB thing coming soon that will let me back up my own Nintendo switch carts

And I mean it that way lol

[urban steppe]

🐀

[sonic marlin]

fucking warp hampster

[grim grove]

Yoooo you freaking veterans

Here zealot main

Asking you expert what is the best male voice for veteran

the one that has the most entertaining quotes?

[muted knot]

Get back to your femboy posting

[grim grove]

FOR DA EMPERA

[frank ether]

professional is fun to bully

[grim grove]

What about Loose canon since it's like so lost

doesn't even know the name of the enemies XD

[frank ether]

loose cannon is the one bullying professional

tho Idk about male version

vet probs has the best variety of voices tbh

[muted knot]

I have a cardigan professional

[frank ether]

each one is distinct

[idle swallow]

https://youtu.be/wjIXcA5K9Es?si=Y1NbwYXXszu18L5x

[clear narwhal]

Cutthroat ofc

That man's voice acting is immaculate.

[grim grove]

LMAO

[clear narwhal]

wdym lmao

[grim grove]

that answer

[grim grove]

Cutthroat might be more aggresive on quotes?

Nothing much funny wise?

[clear narwhal]

lol

I haven't heard that one before

I've not heard much from the female cutthroat

[idle swallow]

These specific voices type interactions are usually really good but they're so rare I feel

[clear narwhal]

I like his interactions with ogryns, very wholesome

[idle swallow]

Professional/loose cannon true love confirmed

[grim grove]

I have been playing Loose cannon for a time and aside from failing at calling the enemy name

Nothing much was funny

[clear narwhal]

https://youtu.be/WsjZaHk8mbs?si=GRDO8SVYYsZOh9PZ

[dire olive]

True
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1053823148048527440/1200040460920553513/uncapped_edit_1706182283310.mp4?ex=65e06b45&is=65cdf645&hm=2ef8d06abc97543e66a9f3f1d981c335b2d26cc7bb5f88f5c07af34083dabdcd&

[clear narwhal]

Cutthroat male vet and Bodygaurd orgyn have the wholesome lines

[frank ether]

lmao

[clear narwhal]

Just found a great vid for Cutthroat's voice lines @grim grove

https://youtu.be/f-YwYeQdJb4?si=OJbBN-9legPy4xwQ

[grim grove]

:)

Guess that made my choice

Since I play Veteran a "Zealot way"

I NEED IT TO SCREAM

[grim grove]

lmao

Thanks for the help fellow veterans !

[clear narwhal]

6:18 is one of my favs

[sonic marlin]

this is the last time i'm going to zealot chat

[agile forge]

Tfw there is no such thing as a traxis-12

[agile forge]

That was apparently intended for psyker chat

Because it makes more sense in psyker chat than zealot?

[zealous wyvern]

gross

it might be intended to be in there

[sonic marlin]

love this too much

real

[thick needle]

Warp Traveler tho

[fading vessel]

FOR THE EMPORER! DEUS VULT! DEUS VULT!

LORGAR DID NOTHING WRONG!

[serene bough]

that's accurate

[slow spade]

Meanwhile Vet chat

[agile yew]

How is this compared to Rashad?

[stiff glacier]

Guy joins damnation high intesity shocktroop gauntlet

strays away from team trying 1v6 maulers
dies
starts calling other morons and tries to countdown our fail in chat
i and other vet manage to kill beast of nurgle during horde
save the guy and other dude
gets trappered
leaves

[serene bough]

peak gaming

[rain badger]

Rashad is just better in every aspect because Rashad has finesse and can spam heavies. But Antax is good for horde clear.

[fading vessel]

best is having 4 vets with the insta res ability

squad of combat medics is actually op

[wanton dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/hizzie-cat-gif-21331848

[white minnow]

4 res shout vets with 3 wounds meta

[tiny summit]

Hey this was specifically zealot chat

[serene bough]

zealot chat used to be vet chat at the beginning

the remnants of the past remain

[balmy flume]

Took a brief break
Yooo the latest Vet drip looks sick

[sonic marlin]

the red and gold stuff?

[balmy flume]

Ye. Very Roman.

[sonic marlin]

oh yeah i bought it all

check the zealot one

its like full gold

[pliant sentinel]

Y'all

what's the best chainsword?

[hollow ibex]

iv imo

[terse idol]

Gotta say the funny thing but rashad with BM is just as good at horde clear

😌

[muted knot]

Iv is better but 13 feels better imo

[tall torrent]

I wish 13 had an actually cohesive moveset

[onyx moss]

What are the best blessings for a chainsword?

[crude fiber]

Ah yes, the going down repeatedly meta

[onyx moss]

I'm wanting to make a chainsword for horde clear or single target.

Like, both.

[crude fiber]

Can a chainsword 1 shot a crusher with a crit?

I'm guessing not

[serene bough]

no

maybe chaxe can

[crude fiber]

A well built chaxe can do with crit

[timid otter]

No its actually pretty inefficent at killing crushers

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/squiggle-wild-one-balloon-man-dance-gif-12954529

[onyx moss]

Well, I mean, horde clear with ability to reliably kill Mutants/Ragers

[hollow ibex]

13 moveset

[onyx moss]

I checked the mkIV attack pattern in the meat grinder and it looks like it's a heavy attack horde clear weapon?

Heavy for hordes, charged attack for single target?

[hollow ibex]

it's h1 h2 l3 iirc

something like that

but spamming heavies works as well, if you throw some dodges into it

[onyx moss]

That sounds right

Actually, yeah

But yeah, what blessings are good?

I'm looking at them and I think maybe Shred & Devastating Strike?

Or maybe Bloodletter and Savage Sweep?

[tall torrent]

With zealot’s fury ability maybe?

[hollow ibex]

bloodletter and rev it up

[onyx moss]

But Bloodletter seems specifically built for single-target

lol

[hollow ibex]

i only run rev it up for the memes

[onyx moss]

But really, I have no idea what combo of blessings would be good

[tall torrent]

CS4 with bloodletter is good vs everything that’s not a crusher

[tall torrent]

Rampage + bloodletter is what I run

[hollow ibex]

yeah bloodletter is not a meme

[tall torrent]

Flak perk is needed

Bloodletter does very serious work

[hollow ibex]

unlike rev it up

[tall torrent]

U can 1 shot mauler, both ragers, bulwark, reaper and pull pretty good boss dmg numbers

[onyx moss]

It's been awhile since I ran bleed, I don't really remember how fast the damage ticks.

I remember it taking uncomfortably long to kill something

I have a Recon Lasgun that I rolled with Headhunter and Infernus and the fire damage from that pulls the thing's single-target.

Also, am I right in guessing the ideal Plasma blessings are Blaze Away & Gets Hot?

[normal vigil]

smh

[serene bough]

CS + bloodletter is good

[normal vigil]

fuck wrong channel

[tall torrent]

Recon lasguns just aren’t great rn

14 stacks of bleed (Bloodletter IV) does very real damage

[onyx moss]

lol, that sucks. Vets have a similar achievement that took me a minute.

[tall torrent]

Gets Hot + Gloryhunter/Blaze Away

[normal vigil]

I've tried the 90% accuracy one loads of times without luck

[tall torrent]

Blaze away gives u a bit better dmg (doesn’t matter for most cases)

Gloryhunter makes you unkillable and makes born leader actually decent

[onyx moss]

That one wasn't really bad once I realized it's easiest with the revolver

You only have like, 50 rounds to get through and as long you don't have ammo regen or pick up any it's fine.

[normal vigil]

I've been using the revolver, but there's always some bullshit that gets in the way or an enemy moves their head at the last second

or an ogryn happens to get in the way of the shot

[onyx moss]

You just have to avoid teams with Survivalist and go for body shots.

It took me like, 4 tries.

You'll get it eventually.

[onyx moss]

With the revolver, I had been trying for weeks with the Headhunter.*

So CSIV with Bloodletter and Savage Sweep?

That sounds like the best combo?

[tall torrent]

Rampage + bloodletter

[onyx moss]

For a generalist horde-clear & single target?

[tall torrent]

Savage sweep is fine ig

If u want pure horde clear, rampage + savage sweep/wrath

If u want single target you have to use bloodletter imo

You should be able to light rev cancel and still kill both ragers just from bleed dmg ticks

[onyx moss]

My question is with the CS, does the charged attack count as a single attack for all ticks or is each tick its own attack?

[crude fiber]

super niche build with a perfect rolled chainsword will get you a crit weakspot 1 shot on crusher

[onyx moss]

So if I crit on the charge attack are all the ticks crits or what?

[crude fiber]

yes

[onyx moss]

And if I make a charge attack with say, Shred, does each tick count as an attack?

[crude fiber]

no

[onyx moss]

Ah, that's what I thought, I just wasn't sure.

[crude fiber]

just tested, you dont get a stack of shred until the charge attack finishes

just 1

[onyx moss]

Ah, okay

Thanks.

[crude fiber]

actually the mk13 can get a non crit 1 shot with that niche build and perfect roll lol

[onyx moss]

Thanks guys

So this one? replace the rampage with bloodletter and it's good?

[crude fiber]

thatll feel really good to use on everything except crushers

[onyx moss]

kk

[crude fiber]

youll want to aim for maulers bodies with it, not the head

[onyx moss]

Should I replace the 20% maniac with 25% unarmored for one-shot horde-clear?

[crude fiber]

no

[trim steppe]

Nah leave it for mutant kills

[onyx moss]

I figured.

[trim steppe]

With maniac and bloodletter you can sidestep a charging mutant with a special heavy and get a 1-shot

[crude fiber]

would it not 1 shot with the +20 maniac already?

[onyx moss]

So Wrath or Savage Sweep?

[crude fiber]

i guess the shred stat is a little low

[trim steppe]

Last time I checked it survives with like 100hp, the bleed ticks kill it a moment later

Might depend on your build tho

[onyx moss]

Yeah, I noticed that, but it doesn't really have to be perfect, just good to use consistently.

[trim steppe]

Yeah shame the shred and mobility stats aren't reversed for a perfect roll. But that one is perfectly serviceable

[crude fiber]

they are effectively the same thing with different activation requirements, wrath is easier to ativate and might help if theres 2 ragers or somthing

[trim steppe]

I pretty much always take SS over wrath because it's more consistent when you need it, but either works

[onyx moss]

So I think I'm gonna switch the Rampage for Bloodletter and increase the Maniac to 25%

Yeh?

[wanton dawn]

wrath is better for rampage consistency

[tall torrent]

No

[crude fiber]

sounds good

[trim steppe]

I'd leave rampage and swap wrath for either SS or bloodletter, personally.

[wanton dawn]

Man I had 2 games on hab dreyko: one 25 min, 1m5 dmg spread across team. The other, 27 min, 2m3 dmg spread. Director went ham

[onyx moss]

Idk, I'm on the fence between that and switching Rampage for Bloodletter and Wrath for SS.

[trim steppe]

It's crazy how different hab dreyko feels depending on how pissed off the director is

[wanton dawn]

He kept sending mauler

[onyx moss]

I feel like I'm taking waayyy too long deciding this, lol

[trim steppe]

I think I'd leave the 20% maniac alone and replace both blessings with T4s. That way you can also play around with blessing combos to see what feels good to you. 20% maniac is perfectly good

[onyx moss]

Yeah, I'll do that.

It's only 5% more damage, really.

That's what, 30 more damage on 700?

50?

something like that.

IDK, quick math.

[thick wolf]

stopping power is ow

[tall torrent]

^

[bitter turtle]

Too bad the moveset

Is TRASH

😔

Anyway I also agree with leaving the perks as is

[wanton dawn]

My most successful build for I-II is unironically the bayo build

PPl don't bring enough boss dmg

[bitter turtle]

what would win

a carefully crafted chainsaw blade with a monomolecular edge

or a fucking pointy stick

[timid otter]

Roc would win

https://tenor.com/view/the-rock-dwayne-johnson-the-rock-eating-rock-gif-13935567355130525471

[wanton dawn]

actually true

[bitter turtle]

ogryn pls go

[tiny summit]

Stop your heresy darktide discord. Talking about playing Darktide smh

[zealous wyvern]

Roc would purge

[slow spade]

Krak Grenade + all nade perks time + Focus Target

[hollow ibex]

• field improv + ammo crate hidden away from your teammates

[bitter turtle]

if only you could move the crate with you

i would legitimately use it that way

on blitz+ maps

imagine

24 nades!

[hollow ibex]

that'd be pretty insane

i suaully just save the ammo crate for a big event

[sturdy crow]

I save it for when people are running low

[crude fiber]

Let us equip crates like backpacks

Mobile health pack

[bitter turtle]

man

actual troll teammates today

blowing up a line of bursters and knocking two people out or blowing up a barrel im literally right next to with no enemies lmao

[serene sage]

we only dicuss Helldivers in this server

get with the time, people

[timid otter]

Veteran guide when.

[wanton dawn]

Next week

[timid otter]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046912126746374274/1111359873624588318/nextweek.gif

[visual island]

Hey question for yall vet players I'm new to vet I'm like level 10 but I feel so squishy is this normal for yall?

[timid otter]

Reach voice of command with +50 toughness and iron will, you wont be squishy

[agile forge]

Very dependent on talents, and also quite vulnerable to being pressured

[visual island]

I'm coming off playing both zealot and psyker and it's a different change of pace

Made me realize I'm not getting toughness from range kills

[agile forge]

You need a particular talent for that

[visual island]

Oh! I mightve missed it

[bitter turtle]

the problem is executioner stance (the default ability) is the worst of the three

the other two provide significant survivability

[agile forge]

I think there's one for toughness on weakspot kills

[bitter turtle]

so just wait till you can pick another ability

[agile forge]

One for toughness on elite kill?

[visual island]

I've been quite enjoying the stance

[bitter turtle]

well, if you like it, I suggest two talents

[agile forge]

Trouble is it falls off once you swap to melee

[bitter turtle]

catch a breath (restore toughness when no enemies are around so you can top up between fights)

and exhil takedown

[agile forge]

A good trick is to use Hellbore Lasgun I or II because they are also great melee weapons

[bitter turtle]

though that's more gun dependent

[agile forge]

But Voice of Command is crazy

You need the +50 toughness node on it

Overtoughness is fucking nuts

VoC is arguably the best F ability in the game on all classes

[bitter turtle]

eh

i dont really agree

[agile forge]

You can maintain full uptime on it almost

It protects from Poxburster/Sniper bleedthrough damage

[bitter turtle]

honestly voc supremacy has just as much to do with tree pathing as it does the ability itself

every advantage is heaped on it in terms of pathing

if infil were easier to take i think more ppl would realize its actually better in a lot of ways

[agile forge]

That is a strength in itself

[bitter turtle]

ive started playing a lot of infil builds and stealth is kinda busted

and i dont mean just for speedrunning

[agile forge]

What does Vet stealth do again?

[bitter turtle]

8 second stealth

that's about it

lul

[agile forge]

I only tried Zealot knife pervert so fae

[bitter turtle]

but stealth itself is just busted

[agile forge]

*far

The Zealot one is great

It's like, though, part of the balancing for Assail on Psyker is that you can't take Psychinetic Aura with it

You do have to consider that stuff

[bitter turtle]

then you'd be saying

that survivalist is broken on purpose

and smoke grenades are meme on purpose

its obv not designed with that in mind

either way, I find it unconvincing that voc is really much stronger than ctw on zealot tree

they're similar abilities and voc is just a more defensive version of it

[agile forge]

Fury of the Faithful is nuts too

[bitter turtle]

• stagger everyone in range
• restore toughness
  is the baseline, but ctw gets armor downgrade, guaranteed crit/aspd, 2 charges, a reposition
  voc gets yellow toughness and a bigger stagger

[agile forge]

Absolutely nuts

Also crit CDR

On an ability that makes you crit lol

[timid otter]

It has to do with zealot not being able to do actions while channeling

[agile forge]

And a class that crits all the fucking time with a +25% crit keystone

[bitter turtle]

no, im talking about chastise

not the relic

[agile forge]

He isn't talking about chorus

It's fury of the faithful

[bitter turtle]

quite literally i use voc just like i used to use chastise on zealot lol

[agile forge]

(Upgraded chastise)

[bitter turtle]

very aggressively

[agile forge]

Any time toughness drops by 50% slap another charge in

QUAIL HERETICS

[timid otter]

Ah yeah chastise, shroudfield are both great

Shroudfield can be abit more finicky to make use of

[bitter turtle]

well

stealth is just lowkey busted

in general

i feel like infiltrate is really abusable too to salvage literally any bad situation

same goes for shroudfield

just outrun enemy mob for a while, stealth past them all and pick ppl up no matter how bad the situation is lol

[timid otter]

Revives, event moving, burst dps are the best uses of shroudfield

[bitter turtle]

only limit is your own skill

[agile forge]

Shroudfield makes you feel like you're playing a different game

Also reposition

[timid otter]

Reposition is dangerous

Should be avoided to begin with.

[agile forge]

Crit CDR makes it safer

[bitter turtle]

you know what makes reposition safer

low profile

[agile forge]

But tbh I like that stupid risky playstyle with it

[timid otter]

Any aggro droping as a stealth user must be treated with caution

I refrain from using stealth in that way unless i must.

[agile forge]

I like to use it to deal with specials and elites but only ones that are already engaged with the group

Crit knife a few other bastards

And I can already shroud back out

It's probably less effective than a different style of use but fuck me is it fun

[bitter turtle]

i really think you ought to change your mindset on that, hordes alone are never the problem, is always the specials/elites that pressure the amount of space you have to work with

[agile forge]

I do feel like a brain rupture in a can though lol

[bitter turtle]

so stealth and kill them all is pretty much stopping wipes

[timid otter]

I can deal with them without stealth

[bitter turtle]

well ofc you can

its not like ppl who dont run stealth are literally incapable of it

its just even more efficient

[timid otter]

As a zealot espically theres throwing knives, revolvers.

Instant delete special buttons

Im also to begin with a psyker player

[bitter turtle]

i think the only thing i miss about voc

is being able to save ppl from poxburster dmg

lul

[timid otter]

There is zero tolerance as psyker in being badly postioned

[bitter turtle]

i mean

you shouldnt play zealot like you play psyker lol

[timid otter]

Obv no

But the skill carries over

[bitter turtle]

needing to play more conservatively on psyker doesn't necessarily carry over to how you should play certain builds on more aggressive classes

i agree you shouldn't charge an enemy line on psyker but its a perfectly valid way to play zealot (unless u are the type that gets dogged/trapped)

[coral bloom]

Depends on weapon too. I like mk5 duelling sword on my psykers and that gives a ton of room for mistakes

[timid otter]

My experience as a psyker is in general to play in a way where i can never be surronded

That means always keeping the back of the team clean

Always trying to make circles or backstepping when facing overwhelming amount of enemies

This is the way to go to never die as psyker.

[agile forge]

Trauma the ground under you works pretty well

Kinetic Deflection and a stamina curio = block and push forever

Especially with Deflector

Danger is the 2 bruisers who you didn't see

Sneaking up behind you

[timid otter]

If i play optimaly i dont bring any weapon directly seen as meta

I usally use ds5 or combat knife

[agile forge]

1 = no problem, 2 = maimed, 3 = downed

[timid otter]

Mobility is invaluable.

[agile forge]

I like Warp Speed

Gunker

But you have like no active defense lol

[timid otter]

Plus staff LMB is extremely good when used at its max power.

Its great at killing gunners, specialists

I dont think it either has any damage falloff

[agile forge]

Just a bit of a bugger to hit with

Great for bullying that one close-midrange asshole that's pressuring you though

[timid otter]

What ranged?

[agile forge]

CIAG like everyone else lol

[timid otter]

Colomnus should be doing great with mettle considering the crit strings it has

[agile forge]

Overpowered death beam

[timid otter]

20% toughness on crit

[agile forge]

Yeah, it's the double punch that gets me

I assail more than I shoot usually

[timid otter]

I dont even bother with blitz abillties

They require huge point investments to make strong, often dont offer much in return that other tools cant

[agile forge]

Assail is great with DD and SG

Which I take anyway

Saves ammo, keeps my mag full

[quartz portal]

Does the Bolter have splash damage? Does it pierce?

[agile forge]

Kills shit behind cover

[agile forge]

Yes x2

[quartz portal]

Now if only it could switch faster and give me a reason to use it over the plasma gun

[agile forge]

Assail is great, brain rupture sometimes fills a hole in a build

[terse idol]

It has a little bit

[terse idol]

Bolter is actually a balanced gun

Plasma gun is deathly overpowered

[agile forge]

But brain rupture needs EP to not feel fucking terrible

And EP means no DD silliness

[terse idol]

Don't let how overpowered the plasma gun is stop you from playing the bolter which is REALLY fun, and makes you actually think

[wanton dawn]

What ? You never shot a wall before ?

[quartz portal]

I like the bolter for dealing with elites

[timid otter]

Bolter is more fun on zealot

Less ammo pain, throwing knives to deal with pesky specials

[wanton dawn]

Fun fact: scoreboard timer is not the "game" timer, but it start from connection

[timid otter]

Dont need to deal with the pesky pullup time either due to throwing knives

[wanton dawn]

Which means I finally managed to do 1m in less than 30 minutes

agri brauto is no joke

[terse idol]

Less ammo pain?

We got survivalist

[terse idol]

Okay animation cancel cheese too strooong

But that is good to know

[timid otter]

It both cancels the animation, negates needing to pull it up in the first place

[terse idol]

Like, bolter for vet can drop alooootta specials in one shot

[agile forge]

Works also with flamer

[terse idol]

Waack

[near sable]

https://youtu.be/Tuq8Rp5_z9w

[terse idol]

Dats alotttaaaa work

[wanton dawn]

TBF they were a lot of ppl turnover

[crude ermine]

Hnnrrnng

[ripe totem]

90% of vet problems seem to be just that voice + the side node is so much easier to grab while to do things with the other abilities you need to put points into nodes that don't give you constant actives, only to power up the abilities, which don't really offer that much so you'd just go voc

[agile yew]

Kinda bricked 😭

[ripe totem]

if exe and infiltrate for instance only had a choice of two nodes that smushed the great 5 or so branches together of those abilities into each other

it'd be so much better

like e.g. "enter exe stance so ogryns and ranged targets are highlighted" rather than just picking one

and also find a way to kill useless perks like competitive urge

[agile yew]

Serviceable if i switch Thunderous to Brutal Momentum and Block to Flak?

[bitter turtle]

You'll probably need 10 percent melee to hit scab bruiser BP but it should be good

[agile yew]

Would the above Headtaker lvl 1 do better then?

Well, could grab and craft both and test some in that area

[slow spade]

perfect or its scrapped

no in-between

[agile yew]

My Veteran gear is easily the worst out of all my classes

Everything is like mediocre

Dont have the +2 Power Cycler either, so going okayish Rashad for now

And my Plasma is missing Blazing blessing

[agile forge]

+1 is fine too

[agile yew]

Grabbed the +10% melee node for my Rashad, lets see if it works now

[junior needle]

Yeah the bruiser breakpoints are very important, both of them

I think the new brutal is a bit poorly designed for this reason, either your weapon can reach those and it’s ridiculous or it can’t and it blows

[agile yew]

Needs headtaker stacks, then it does it

[agile forge]

Preach

Caxe feels it most imo

Since it stops completely without it

[agile yew]

Needs 3 stacks of Headtaker, then Scab Bruiser drops with headshot

If id change Maniacs to Unarmored, maybe then?

But not sure worth it just for that

My Zealot would have Brutal IV on this, but using it

But yeah those main damage stats really make or break that weapon with Brutal

[timid otter]

Actually what is needed for combat axe bp on bruisers?

It will save testing time

[junior needle]

Depends on the axe and your talents, antax has tighter requirements than rashad.

Unarmored/flak, headtaker/brutal

You can feasibly go without flak but you need a lot of help from the tree

[agile yew]

So maybe i should switch Maniacs to Unarmored?

[junior needle]

Most definitely you should

You want both bruiser types knocked in one hit

[agile yew]

Does it now 👌

[wanton dawn]

Imagine getting most lesser enemies killed with lower melee damage done and a bolter as primary smh

[agile yew]

Always Prepared good with Plasma?

[terse idol]

costco Sampler

😌

[trim steppe]

I definitely wouldn't cannibalize that just to bump T3 BM to T4 on your vet. Even T1 BM is totally fine, the hitmass bonus is the essential thing you want and its the same on all tiers and the weak spot damage increase is essentially negligible

[little ledge]

what is the benefit of running shredder genade over krak?

[trim steppe]

shredder nades are better in most cases. They have a much larger radius, you carry more of them, and between the damage and the bleed stacks they can clear out mixed hordes very easily (trash and light armor elites). Krak nades are good damage against crushers and monstrosities and thats about it

I only take krak over shredder if both weapons I want to run struggle to deal with crushers

[hollow ibex]

krak is mostly for the memes

[icy rampart]

a problem I see with a lot of damnation builds is you need very specific blessings to get running

is there anything that works with purples?

[raw steppe]

Wdym lol

Most builds are pretty non blessing dependent

Since you can craft 2 items on any weapon

[icy rampart]

always you need something like headhunter IV or bloodletter IV

[raw steppe]

Uh no lol

You dont "need" those

And if the build says you do, the build prob sucks

[junior needle]

That doesn't make them not blessing dependent, it just means you can take the blessings if you totally give up on your perks

[raw steppe]

Yeah but the way he makes it sound is like the builds is unplayable without

And there's only a few that are like that

[junior needle]

There are weapons that are unplayable without them

But having two is more rare

Although the meaning of "unplayable" varies depending on who you ask, much like "viable"

Nothing is literally unplayable, you can take a gray rashad into auric 5's and still kill things with it. So therefore it's technically not unplayable, even if it'd be total ass.

[tall torrent]

not that much help
if u have a good dmg roll distribution, you only really need 30% weakpoint + 10% melee dmg

so 2 point extra investment

[trim steppe]

Some weapons need exact blessings to shine, others can be grey and tear shit up. Like plasma gun, its so op literally any one you equip will carry you through any match

[junior needle]

Define how much you consider to be good and how many stacks of headtaker you're satisfied with needing before you can start cleaving

Rashad has like 4 relevant damage stats that need filling out

[trim steppe]

Can I get some feedback on this thing? Haven't really run ch axe yet

Amazing? Ok? Bad?

[junior needle]

Mostly good regardless of which direction you want to go.

[icy rampart]

is there a mk of plasmagun that will let you ADS? I tried one at low level and it always felt a bit desynced

[junior needle]

There's only one plasma currently

Also the light attacks have a charge rate

Which is affected by the charge rate stat

[icy rampart]

like i'll fire and then the bolt will actually impact in 2 seconds

[junior needle]

That's why it feels like there's a big delay

[junior needle]

You can replace two and either go horde clear specialized or do bloodletter/thunderous shenanigans

[trim steppe]

BL/Thunderous for high ST I assume? In which case I should go sprint-> cara? And what changes for horde clearing?

[junior needle]

ST?

[trim steppe]

single target

[junior needle]

Oh yes, bloodletter apparently applies thunderous currently. But that's likely to change given what fatshark did to dot affects applying onslaught.

Replace thunderous with headtaker and probably unarmored or something if you want max horde clear

[junior needle]

Thou blessings

[tall torrent]

As long as it can reach the breakpoint (assuming 5 stacks headtaker) I’m ok with it

[muted prairie]

i've been running +toughness instead of hp on my ogryn and it's been real good. is toughness more viable now after the fire changes?

i'm thinkin with confirmed kill, iron will, out for blood, maybe it'd be good on vet too. anyone tried it?

[somber axle]

I run 3 toughness curios, sometimes swap out one for +3 stam depending on if I am running Deadshot and can go a lot of Damnation missions without trouble

Iron Will is something I always grab

[trim steppe]

toughness and hp are both great curio blessings on vet

[gusty bison]

Tou, HP, both work

[muted prairie]

thanks soldiers, time to grab some toughness curios and jump into auric damnation

[icy rampart]

okay how do I use plasmaguns

sometimes the left click vaporizes a crusher

[bitter turtle]

Spam left click and never charge

[trim steppe]

dont charge it, point it at stuff and shoot

[gusty bison]

Pretend charged shot doesnt exist

[icy rampart]

and sometimes it needs 2 to take down a mutie

[gusty bison]

Point and click adventures

[muted prairie]

literally this

[gusty bison]

Thats cos muties have more hp

[muted prairie]

try out breakpoints in the shooting range

[icy rampart]

oh the PG literally just does not gaf about armor huh

[gusty bison]

Pretty much

[muted prairie]

i find that focus target or whatever the keystone's called really helps me hit them breakpoints

[trim steppe]

pretyt much

[somber axle]

Plasma cleaves through crowds too

[muted prairie]

i think it actually does more damage to armor than unarmored

rending is totally useless on it

[somber axle]

Always love killing an entire line of shotgunners who lined up down a hall

[icy rampart]

actually the overpen is not working so well for me

[trim steppe]

if you try to charge it often you're going to have a bad time and think the gun is bad. once you forget that charge exists and just spam lefts you become and unstoppable god

[somber axle]

How so?

[muted prairie]

in my experience, plasma pierces literally everything until it hits carapace

[icy rampart]

sometimes leftclicking will just vaporize a plaguewalker and go nowhere

[somber axle]

That's weird

[icy rampart]

okay the left click spam works

how cool? special?

[somber axle]

It should go through every poxwalker between you and the ragers/crushers/maulers/etc.

[muted prairie]

it's got so much penetration, it should piece like a dozen maulers

[gusty bison]

Ye cool by venting

[icy rampart]

how is this lasgun

[bitter turtle]

Bricked

4/4 bad blessings and perks

Stopping power too low too

[muted prairie]

344, surely you can find a better one anyways

[trim steppe]

special vents the heat (1/5th of the heat you have, each time. So its always 5 ticks for a full vent). And shooting with left at full heat auto vents instead of blowing up

[bitter turtle]

The overall stats don't matter just make sure stopping and damage are high

[pearl belfry]

is stability a good stat on the columnus mk v IAG?

[bitter turtle]

Somewhat

Yes

[gusty bison]

Tbf its a 344 with the dump stat in the stat that doesnt matter

Although 67 SP is pain

[trim steppe]

mobility and ammo are the dump stats, stability is decent

[bitter turtle]

It doesn't need to be 80

Just make sure it's not low as fug

[pearl belfry]

i have the one on the right and i love stripped down with the stamina restoration talent, but it kicks too much on first shot even on PC, what do you thiunk about the one on the left?

is it just worth keeping the one on the right? i havent modified it yet

[bitter turtle]

Both are bricked anyway

Stripped down is fine

[icy rampart]

what perks and blessing should I be looking for?

[bitter turtle]

Literally everything else bad

[void rampart]

rate? Recon Lasguns are probably the only weapon I haven't toyed around with, damage and collateral seems like the main stats i should have higher

[bitter turtle]

Perks can be unarmored flak or maniac

Blessings should be surgical and no respite or onslaught depending on how much you like the bayonet

[icy rampart]

I'm using this pg, should I be pulling slots for a better one asap or is it okay

[trim steppe]

recons are terrible, and mk2 is the worst of the bunch. infernus is fine but i wouldnt run the rest.

[void rampart]

I have used the recon mk 9 (i think?) and i remember hating it

thought the others mightve stood a chance

[slow spade]

ignore the perks, here are the good blessings if FOR SOME REASON you wanted to run a recon

[gusty bison]

You want to dump collateral

Like the closer it is to 0 the better the gun

[slow spade]

collateral is useless on recon

[gusty bison]

Its worse than useless

[slow spade]

true

[gusty bison]

It makes the gun worse

[bitter turtle]

Headhunter and infernus or dumdum is the recon blessing

Infernus or dumdum both work

[icy rampart]

?

[shadow dagger]

worth buying just to rip wrath or nah

[bitter turtle]

Eh

[slow spade]

you can do better, stopping power and thermal resist are important stats also that is a very low level plasma

[bitter turtle]

I'd only run wrath on 13

And i think the 13 is absolute garbage

[slow spade]

infested is useless on plasma unless you want to kill bursters faster I guess?

[icy rampart]

yeah but i don't have the plasteel to bring a new one to purple yet

[bitter turtle]

So only if you have spare melkbucks

And don't really care

[slow spade]

a grey plasma with better stats is better than what you have

[somber axle]

Get a nice Mark 6 with Infernus and Dum Dum, I use it with Onslaught and the Rending talent down the center tree. My recon shreds everything including Crushers pretty fast. I use Flak/Maniac perks. The fire rate is fun but you will be sniffing for ammo packs even with Shock Trooper and a talent build pushing crit so ammo hungry groups with Stubber Ogryns or lots of Vets mean you might end up starved for ammo sometimes

[slow spade]

you ideally want to have ammo and charge rate as your lower stats

[icy rampart]

that's a buy right

[bitter turtle]

You don't want to drop headhunter

Unless you uh

[somber axle]

Not nearly as good as a Columnus IAG tbh but the mark 6 recon lasgun is fun and fine for damnation

[bitter turtle]

Don't shoot heads for whatever reason

Also recon bad

[slow spade]

low penetration is bad (determines its ability to kill flak and stuff) but its not bad

[somber axle]

I don't have HH on mine unfortunately but even without it, it shreds

[gusty bison]

Headhunter is more DPS than Dum Dum

Fwiw

[somber axle]

Very fun weapon

Not as weak as a lot of people say it is either

[slow spade]

its better to think of DumDum as free damage than as critical to your build

[bitter turtle]

no its as shit as people say really

but yeah if you insist you can use it

[slow spade]

it is though

[bitter turtle]

just like how you can use grey guns

[gusty bison]

As bad as crits are on the recon, crits still do more than dum dum

[somber axle]

Revolver, Plasma and Columnus IAG are just on another level of strong right now

[slow spade]

like its actually documented how shit recon is

[bitter turtle]

if only it was just only worse than those 3

[gusty bison]

You do more with the vraks 3 than the recon thou

[bitter turtle]

its worse than literally every automatic you can use on vet

[gusty bison]

And every non automatic

[bitter turtle]

that too, but maybe the comparison is not as fair

or easy to make

[gusty bison]

Mm

[trim steppe]

Recon is objectively terrible. The fact that overtuned weapons exist makes it even worse but it's bad anyway

[somber axle]

I've played with a good Vraks with Deadly Accurate and HH, wasn't a fan. It's ok but the gun doesn't feel fun to use

[gusty bison]

Vraks 3 literally gets more bodyshot dps than the recon gets headshot dps

[slow spade]

the one thing I'll never understand about recon users is they go "its not as bad as people say" when its genuinely documented and recorded how ungodly shit it is lol

[icy rampart]

how's this one

[gusty bison]

The recon's main issue is finesse

Its a headshot gun with terrible headshot damage, and a crit fishing gun with terrible crit damage

Which is just... why

[bitter turtle]

tfw I have two good recons

https://i.gyazo.com/aa1b1516e6ee2fa4d28a33bd4baed39e.png

[void rampart]

Managed to pull this right away but don't have the blessings to throw on, but got HH at least, think I can make it work?

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/79d71a7a48daf3c19ff2403f05f2d027.png

but they're still shit

[slow spade]

better, because you ideally never want to charge shot (sometimes you need to wall pen through thick walls, that's it)

[bitter turtle]

define work

yes, that is good stats

change critical hit dmg to flak

[gusty bison]

Oof collateral is high

[bitter turtle]

change deathspitter to infernus or dumdum

however

i would really just invest in a different gun

its just bad

[void rampart]

I know it's bad, I'm just looking for something new

[bitter turtle]

fair en ough

then yes

do what i said

[gusty bison]

Mhm

[bitter turtle]

infernus or dumdum, depends on whether you want more damage close up or far away

[icy rampart]

going to vegas baybeeee

[slow spade]

we've shown the best builds for recon

[bitter turtle]

and change crit damage to flak

[slow spade]

just use them lol

[gusty bison]

Woop

[somber axle]

Yeah that's really good. Swap Deathspitter to Infernus and you're golden

[slow spade]

I will just refrain from auric maelstrom for a bit UwU

[somber axle]

Could also Swap crit damage to Maniac

[bitter turtle]

he already has maniac

he should swap it to flak

[somber axle]

Derp I am at work

Yeah Flak then

[bitter turtle]

honestly

i question

if maniac is even worth on recon

because of its comedically low maniac dmg

that's why i run carapace

[somber axle]

I would share my dumb Recon 6 talent build but am not my computer

[bitter turtle]

doesnt hurt i guess

[somber axle]

Grabs grenade regen, rending 10% and Onslaught brittleness

[gusty bison]

Onslaught is mandatory

10% rending is mostly useless

Tbh

[bitter turtle]

recon tree is just colu iag onslaught tree

[gusty bison]

Esp on the 6d

[bitter turtle]

it just does it worse

[void rampart]

may the emperor bless my holy lasgun and the whole 2 kills I get with it

[gusty bison]

If ya wanna use it well.

Use it like a burst weapon

[bitter turtle]

nah id still take it

[somber axle]

Idk how the numbers stack up with vs without rending but it has felt weaker without the node in damnation matches I run

[bitter turtle]

the damage falloff is fucking terrible

after the nerfs

[slow spade]

think of it this way, it'll be useful when the target he's shooting gets into melee ;)

[somber axle]

Love firing into a Crusher's face and melting them

[gusty bison]

1 burst to the head for 1 kill

[bitter turtle]

its a watergun, take every damage you can get lul

[gusty bison]

Do NOT hold down the trigger for more than 3s cos the spread goes to shit after like 16 bullets

[somber axle]

Use the talent for getting rid of suppression tbh

Mark 6 Recon needs it

[gusty bison]

You stack 10% rending in like 0.3s

And at max onslaught stacks u fully offset ur damage falloff

[somber axle]

Is that with Marksman's Focus and rending talent for the keystone?

[icy rampart]

vraks vs agripinaa headhunters?

[bitter turtle]

im pretty sure

recon has some 50% dmg modifiers

like against maniac

so even max onslaught doesnt fully fix it

[slow spade]

I'd go Focus Target as iirc recon has shit finesse modifiers so Marksmen doesn't help much

[gusty bison]

Max onslaught is 16 stacks of 2.5% right?

[slow spade]

yes :c

somehow not enough

[gusty bison]

Mmm yea u right

[icy rampart]

does brittleness buff plasma? no right?

[gusty bison]

Worthless

[icy rampart]

yeah figures

[trim steppe]

Basically, no

[slow spade]

no it only buffs vs carapace which you already 2-3 shot kill

[bitter turtle]

it does, but very very little, so dont bother with it

[icy rampart]

got the shit ass blessing

[bitter turtle]

any rending/brittleness above 100% armor modifier is quartered in effectiveness

[void rampart]

so is the consensus to stick to middle / right path for onslaught and rending or go towards ranged passives on the left

[icy rampart]

luckily i could pull gets hot

[somber axle]

Yeah I don't run Marksman's Focus with Recon, was curious if someone else was to see if it was OK or not

[bitter turtle]

i will just make you a tree

sec

[somber axle]

The stacks shoot to max aiming head height at a crowd but like

eh

[slow spade]

also Focus Target buffs your melee when your target eventually reaches you UwU

[void rampart]

whole ahh build to make the gun work is crazy 💀

[somber axle]

Recon 6 needs everything in the world to make it work but when it works it is very fun imo

[gusty bison]

It makes the recon's finesse actually not terrible

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/f821ec7a86ccad1d041181a79a024f8b.png

last two points go anywhere

demo team

[slow spade]

yeah the recon build is literally just to boost the gun into "tolerable" range

[bitter turtle]

focus target

[gusty bison]

But the effort to maintain it is beyond most people

[bitter turtle]

marksman

w/e

[gusty bison]

Utter waste of ammo and not worth it

You really cannot be shooting chaff with the recon if u dont wanna be having ammo issues

[somber axle]

No other gun vomits a laser light show into a crowd though so it has fun points

[gusty bison]

Every bullet counts on the recon

[bitter turtle]

there's a mod to put lasers on any weapon

stick it on columnus and pretend its a recon

[gusty bison]

Every bullet that isnt a crit headshot is gonna bite you in the ammo reserve

[bitter turtle]

you will have a better experience

[somber axle]

I don't play with mods tbh

Vanilla game experience

[tiny summit]

I have ran Exe MF Recon. So far the most ass loadout with that build. Been liking it with most other weapons like the other autoguns and burst fire autoguns

[icy rampart]

the full-auto mod is required for recon lasguns

lol unless you want carpal tunnel

[gusty bison]

Just flick the flashlight on the infantry lasgun repeatedly.

[bitter turtle]

what

[gusty bison]

Uh

[bitter turtle]

recon is already full auto

[gusty bison]

Whay

[icy rampart]

oh is it

[slow spade]

recon las has 16.6 shots per second

[icy rampart]

did they change that?

[slow spade]

if you can click that fast be my guest

[bitter turtle]

its always been the full auto lasgun

so

no

[slow spade]

yeah it was changed on Release UwU

[bitter turtle]

are you confusing it with laspistol

[trim steppe]

The recons should be incredibly fun based on their design, but the only 2 times they were actually fun to play, FS decided to kill them so that no one could enjoy them

[void rampart]

trust as well I'm not some nobhead thinking the gun looks cool so it must be good, I know it's terrible I just want new stuff to play around with, been experimenting with every gun I can get my hands on, keeps the game fun for me 😅

[gusty bison]

Honestly recon has great potential

The fundamental issue

1.4x finesse

That kils the recon

[slow spade]

the funniest part is the Shocktrooper nerf only affects recon

[somber axle]

Depends because I have had matches with melee ogryns, psykers and zealots who take no ammo and I'm free to mess around clearing crowds with it for the overabundance of ammo. With it critting and saving ammo on shock trooper plus all the specials/elites feeding me back ammo I haven't had ammo troubles on it ever unless I am duoing with my Stubber Ogryn friend who eats every ammo pack in sight

[icy rampart]

yeah

[bitter turtle]

tfw'

my highest rated guns are recons

https://i.gyazo.com/4f6cfbfe647e6e21156a05995ddb72be.jpg

[slow spade]

so someone at Fatshark HATES the recon lol

[bitter turtle]

[frank basin]

Need to 2 finesse recon?

[trim steppe]

They have to be intra-office hazing the guy who designed the gun or something, it makes no sense

[gusty bison]

Shock trooper doesnt refund ammo effectively on recon

[void rampart]

tommy gun agripinaa looks bussin

[gusty bison]

Its only like

One every 4 or so crits

[slow spade]

20% efficiency iirc?

[bitter turtle]

Thanks, that's one of my prides

[somber axle]

Really? It isn't saving all 4 shots of all 4 crits?

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/6055c59a1966524a66d5b5d7e7025645.jpg

along with my v7

[gusty bison]

Also recon is worse at clearing hordes than ur melee so I dunno why ur magdumping a horde except to piss ur teammates off

[gusty bison]

Nope

[somber axle]

I must test in Psykanium when I get home

[gusty bison]

Not on recon

[bitter turtle]

they nerfed that

on patch 14

[slow spade]

someone at Fatshark specifically nerfed Shocktrooper to fuck over Recon Lasguns

[bitter turtle]

it used to

[slow spade]

its hilarious

[tiny summit]

Agri IAG Exe MF was fun

[bitter turtle]

not anymore, only refunds 1st shot

[timid otter]

What weapon would even synergize with this

[tiny summit]

Any

[gusty bison]

What the fuck

[bitter turtle]

please

[gusty bison]

What

[slow spade]

the funny part is that's a fully functional build

[bitter turtle]

move that suppression node to born leader for your meme

its actually valid if you just take plasma!

[slow spade]

indeed lol

[gusty bison]

No surv plasma though

[bitter turtle]

gloryhunter + CK + focus target stam

[gusty bison]

Thats gonna be pain

[tiny summit]

I'm of the opinion Born Leader is in fact always valid

[slow spade]

take a power sword and learn how to dodge slide to gunners I guess

[slow spade]

same

[gusty bison]

Ye psword gamin might be the play here

[slow spade]

mostly because the other talents competing with Born Leader are also shit

[somber axle]

Nerf to shocktrooper is unfortunate, might swap it to field improv when I get home

See how it feels ammo-wise with and without shock trooper

[tiny summit]

You're restoring toughness off melee kills anyways. Share the pennies

[slow spade]

Field Improv is a good talent, never hurts

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/6b9fd22844aea4c466afa4742744505c.png

do you like my v3

its very cool

[slow spade]

its always going to be shit, Shock Trooper just makes it 20% less shit which is like 1 more minute of firing

[trim steppe]

Again I definitely suspect it's FS devs hazing each other lol. "Haha Brad I just made your gun useless again, suck it nerd"

[tiny summit]

MG4 iLas with auto mod just makes it the better recon

[somber axle]

Idk mine has felt pretty fine. Not as strong as others but not a weapon that makes me feel like I'm being carried by using it

[void rampart]

what about the regular lasgun rifles by the way, the semi auto ones? Probably the only other guns I haven't actually looked into getting

[slow spade]

indeed, its funny

[void rampart]

I think I have a god roll one on my zealot

[timid otter]

Ah well ill go test combat axe breakpoints for now

[bitter turtle]

mediocre but decent

[slow spade]

all of them are good just not "exceptional" like the columnus

[gusty bison]

My recon tree is super cursed but this works best for me when using the 6d

It makes it an ok gun if im on the ball

But the effort to maintain it is a pain

[slow spade]

just remember that psykerarium =//= in practical use

[gusty bison]

Im talking actual use

[slow spade]

ah ok

[somber axle]

Currently the 1a for Kantraels is strongest unless you use an autoclicker mod to make the mark 4 Kantrael's fire rate ok. Mark 12 Kantrael has fallen out of popularity because it has less DPS after the other two variants were buffed but is still fine

[gusty bison]

This wont work in psykanoum lol

U run out of stam too fast

[slow spade]

indeed :c

[tiny summit]

Headshots and plenty of ammo for sustain fire. Not as good as other weapons for raw dps but as long you are clicking heads it does well to everything below mauler

[slow spade]

its a pain to test Duck and Cover value

[gusty bison]

Mhm

[slow spade]

I'm still on the fence if Duck and Cover + Deadshot is worth it compared to just Focus Target Stam

or Stam Delay nodes

[void rampart]

back in 20 mins, in mission, will let yous know how this goes

ill make it work o7

[somber axle]

o7

[slow spade]

see you on the field soldier 💪

[gusty bison]

Deadshot requires a very specific build and playstyle

Especially on high rof guns

Im running +11 stamina on this recon lol

[slow spade]

yeah but you fire in bursts with Recon don't you?

[tiny summit]

I like deadshot on my shotgun

[gusty bison]

Yea and each burst still chews out like 50% stamina

[slow spade]

at least my recoil pattern turns to shit after a while

[slow spade]

ah rip

[gusty bison]

Im 1 burst => 1 kill

[slow spade]

pain

[somber axle]

Deadshot on the Recon? That's wild. You must be empty on stamina 24/7 with that, even with Duck and Dive

[gusty bison]

And killing flamers takes a lot of bullets

[gusty bison]

I have 16 stamina

[slow spade]

3x +3 Stamina nodes

[gusty bison]

And a +2 perk

[somber axle]

Geez

[slow spade]

to be fair, a lot of stamina is useful in all situations

so its not bad to have

[gusty bison]

With this build. I can get up to about 2.8k dps on the recon if im on the ball

But well

[somber axle]

Running 3 Stam curios seems like it'd make Vet very squishy

[gusty bison]

The opposite

3 stamina is actually more tanky than 3 tou imho

Ive tried both

[slow spade]

you can move faster, block push to stagger, dodge slide constantly, etc

[gusty bison]

^

It helps u take a LOT less hits

[icy rampart]

so when maulers do their animation you are just done right cause dodging seems to take them with you

[slow spade]

strictly speaking gunners aren't an issue for a vet anyways

[gusty bison]

And stam lets u sprint dodge gunners

[slow spade]

just dodge again

its not like you would go into melee with mauler without considering "what if it 1-shots me"

[somber axle]

Even running 3 toughness curios I never have trouble with running out of stamina for dodges, blocking, pushing or sliding. Sometimes swap out 1 toughness curio for a +3 stam but your toughness pool must evaporate if you get hit once, yeah?

[gusty bison]

Ur dodging too early

[gusty bison]

Simply dont get hit

[bitter turtle]

dodge when they start swinging it down

[gusty bison]

Stamina helps a lot here

It lets u be in positions where u arent easily screwed by random hits

[slow spade]

yeah IF you get hit but remember you do almost all movements faster with stamina

so you have a lot more leeway to fuck around and find out

I don't personally run 3x 3 stamina curios

[gusty bison]

Rather than getting cornered, sprint to get distance

[slow spade]

but its definitely effective

[gusty bison]

And quickswap blocks are really useful if u think ur gonna fuck up a dodge

And end of the day if u do take a big hit. Just VoC

[slow spade]

one annoying quirk is that blocks on your back take more stamina too

[gusty bison]

And oh look its all back

[slow spade]

so having more never hurts

[white minnow]

there's something akin to i-frames for dodges against melee attacks

[umbral granite]

Well this is an unexpectedly good looking mission reward...

[somber axle]

That sounds insane for someone who is at that skill level. I've had maybe one mission I went without taking any HP damage the whole run. But the flexibility of toughness curios helps for dealing with hordes of shooters, gunners and shotgunners without being constantly staggered and stunned or having to slide dodge while firing

[white minnow]

maulers and crusher overheads have a notoriously short dodge-catch, so dodging their attacks are primarily timing-based

[slow spade]

there are people that do Auric Maelstroms with the true solo mod (no bots)

[gusty bison]

I do take hp chip damage but for me vet toughness regen is so fast that im nearly always full tou

[slow spade]

skill gap is massive in Darktide

[junior needle]

You lied to me, marksman keystone works just like regular weakspot damage

[gusty bison]

... holy shit am i wrong

[junior needle]

Also the anti suppression node is ironically the best value in that row

[somber axle]

Yeah I have seen some videos of that, those people are crazy good but I'm not at solo level of things. I can clutch out solo pushing to revive a downed team at the next checkpoint but running a whole mission solo sounds wild

[junior needle]

Yeah I tested it, precision strikes and 3 stacks of the marksman keystone each gave the same damage

[slow spade]

not if I run only "melee only" maelstroms 😎

[gusty bison]

Huuuuuuh

Wait

Squint

squint

[junior needle]

It gives crit power

[gusty bison]

That makes zero sense

Wtf

[junior needle]

So technically it's better than just weakspot, but you know, same issue with low finesse base

[gusty bison]

Is it a multiplicative bonus on ur finesse?

Ouch

Why

[gusty bison]

But in all seriousness vet has one of the best toughness regens in the game so i usually find it really easy to top off toughness damage when in melee

Its when I have nothing in melee where i actually have toughness problems

[somber axle]

That's fair. Shout is too good. I like running Stealth lately though. Helps for quickplay matches when someone gets netted across a map and I need to save them ASAP behind a horde and a bunch of maulers/crushers

[gusty bison]

Also outforblood is criminally underrated

[junior needle]

Oh excuse me, it was 4 stacks, which adds up to 30% weakspot

[somber axle]

Stealth + 90% threat reduction because sometimes a quickplay team isn't doing the remote or protecting anyone trying to do it so I can just force it to progress

[lucid pasture]

Is this look a hit or a miss?

[somber axle]

Looks good to me!

[gusty bison]

Hummm

Actually

[somber axle]

I like using that shirt + pants combo with goggles for a pilot look

The hat works with it well too imo

[gusty bison]

Can u test with uhh

Bolter?

And then shredder

[icy rampart]

does fire do something worse on higher difficulties? seems to just melt me out of 300+ toughness

[lucid pasture]

Been rockin' the Scion helmet with it until we get the whole set whenever

[gusty bison]

Fire does more damage

Yes

Everything does more damage

[icy rampart]

no but exponentially more

[gusty bison]

Fire ticks are exponential damage

[tiny summit]

The longer you are in fire the more it ramps up

[gusty bison]

And in damnation its a higher max damage per tick

Dont be in fire

You will die in a second

No matter ur toughness

[tiny summit]

Reason why people need to stop trying to revive others even when the fire is almost done

[junior needle]

Yeah it's only been applying to the first crit in a string for awhile now. Then to add insult to injury, fatshark reduced the crit strings on all recons to 2 from 3/4/5 for no reason.

Still worth taking though, as the ammo node is right next to it and anti suppression is actually very high value on the guns.

The guns are just objectively underperforming and while you may not subjectively perceive the ammo issues for various reasons (being a natural ammo goblin, teammates handling the heavy lifting, primarily using melee, etc) they are objectively having big issues with ammo efficiency (and dps).

[gusty bison]

Lemme put it this way. On damnation, if you are caught in the middle of a bomber grenade, it is already too late.

[junior needle]

Might as well, can't login to helldivers

[junior needle]

Bolter video was messy but the same result for both guns.

[coral bloom]

How is the 3shot burst headhunter with crit strings and the weak point crit blessing?

Thought of testing it out but havent even got a rolled one yet

[junior needle]

The meta setup for the vraks 3 is headhunter/deadly

So it works well for it

[somber axle]

Scion helmet and the voice effect it gives are amazing but wow it is hard to find a good set to match it with

[somber axle]

Oh! That sounds both good and bad, yeah? Less crits per crit string but if it only saves you on the first crit shot then only the second crit shot spends ammo, and if you get lucky crit after crit after crit then you're still saving bunches of ammo in practice, yeah? Just a lot more RNG than before

[void rampart]

stats from the recon lasgun mission

wasn't unbearably terrible, infernus did a lot of work, ammo hungry as fuck even with 2 scavenger vets

[somber axle]

I'm not an ammo goblin though unless I am in orange or red ammo levels of about to run dry

If team mates are handling the heavy lifting, it hasn't felt that way

My name is in the kill feed for specials and elites just as often if not more

Not as much as running revolver, plasma or CIAG tho

Or Lucius Mk II

[slow spade]

lol that's 20 small ammo boxes picked up

[void rampart]

it was nice seeing it actually rip apart gunners and bulwarks for once but anything else faster or lesser enemies in my face and it went away

[somber axle]

I should grab this mod just to track my own performance tbh

Where do you grab that mod? Nexus?

[junior needle]

That's one way of looking at it, but it's not nearly as beneficial as you're thinking. It's a sizable reduction in effective crit rate, which is important for both general damage output and also infernus usage.

It was a very big nerf.

[little ledge]

yes

[junior needle]

Remember, more damage per shot is also more ammo efficiency

[bitter turtle]

i dont know how you could cope into thinking literally half the amount of crits per crit proc is anything but a huge nerf

[somber axle]

Yeah it's definitely still a nerf but I might still run it anyway for ammo conservation

Recon 6 is a thirsty gun and it helps, even if it helps less than it used to

[junior needle]

As I said, it's still worth running because of proximity to the reserve ammo node