Kill them before they reach you
#veteran-class
frank ether
yee
dodge slide and exec probably
helbore 1 is the one to go
if you wanna have easy mode
fleet thicket
Ane hit REEALLY HARD
Did you know the it benefits from no respite ? XD
It's so dum
forest breach
bayonet is fucking insane
fleet thicket
And here you go the friend I was talking about
forest breach
finished Auric MS with bayonet only
fleet thicket
He had another guy soloed chaos spawn with it xD
forest breach
He had another guy soloed chaos spawn with it xD
bayonet is so funny, ragers are no problem since you STAGGER them on headshots
gusty bison
Who the fuck pinged me
frank ether
@gusty bison :3
gusty bison
Cat
hoary horizon
R a s h u n
frank ether
do not
hoary horizon
Apple is rashun Ulgo like rashun
frank ether
frank ether
vet rework has been a mess
I don't blame anyone for not spending the time for a class that gets reworked like each month
gusty bison
Tbf its also very annoying to make a guide for vet
Cos you know 90% of people are gonna be "Ok but why shouldnt I just use the plasma gun and sit in the back"
And you wanna strangle them
timid otter
the real pain is the number of damage talents in the tree
HOW THE FUCK AM I SUPPOSED TO FIGURE OUT THE BREAKPOINTS IF THERE ARE 495 DIFFERNET DAMAGE COMBINATIONS IN THE TREE
frank ether
you talk as if you can get them all 
having alternatives isn't bad it gives you ways to enable different guns or make different compromises
sonic marlin
do any of you grind multiple accounts for Contracts just to never buy shit from Melk?
timid otter
having alternatives isn't bad it gives you ways to enable different guns or make...
It also means that testing "every" weapon breakpoints takes over an hour for veteran.
sonic marlin
I'm at 20k rn, I like playing my veteran and mostly even reset for harder ones to get more melk bux but doing it on lvl 20 ogryn feels like a chore lol
frank ether
It also means that testing "every" weapon breakpoints takes over an hour for vet...
u just go psykanium and shoot
timid otter
Ye but it has to be done with multiple talents, perks.
frank ether
I don't see the problem
you make a weapon then you make a build around said weapon and its bps
if you want to make the math for perks and weapon modifiers there is a mod for that
timid otter
Speaking of recon what is the BIS blessings on it?
slow spade
Headhunter + DumDum iirc
Wait I think I have a pic
Ignore perks
Was from a time when recon was usable
timid otter
Ill test perks anyways
timid otter
Mods can fabricate any equipment in the psykanium
slow spade
Doesn't change the fact they're bad lol
gusty bison
Headhunter + DumDum iirc
Correct
slow spade
:D
slow spade
Ironic that a full auto gun able to get the Headhunter + Dumdum combo is somehow still bad
Truly the state of recon guns
gusty bison
Ironic that a full auto gun able to get the Headhunter + Dumdum combo is somehow...
Its cos it has 1.4x Finesse
Thats the issue
You can chain a bajillion crit headshots on it, and its DPS only climbs from 1.1k to 1.8k
Rather than the 3k+ a 2.25x fineese would give it.
Crit headshot builds scale quadratically with finesse
frank ether
Ironic that a full auto gun able to get the Headhunter + Dumdum combo is somehow...
low base number x low multiplier = low dps
also resistances play a part
slow spade
Its cos it has 1.4x Finesse
I know but still sad
gusty bison
Tbf Recon is one of the guns that can ignore ADM with onslaught
frank ether
you're supposed to use onslaught to make it pop but like, one that takes a lot of rounds to ramp up and two other guns don't need that
slow spade
low base number x low multiplier = low dps
Indeed but you would think it'd be "usable" at least
frank ether
I'm just not a huge fan of onslaught in general to begin with
a lot of points to go there on gun builds
slow spade
Same, way too much investment unless weapon specialist
But all good weapon specialist guns don't need Onslaught...
frank ether
you're not gonna run recon specialist though
slow spade
you're not gonna run recon specialist though
Next update, recon will have its time in the sun again UwU
frank ether
I don't believe in next update till I see it ^^
slow spade
UwU
frank ether
tho I also just dont enjoy the gun
slow spade
500% damage buff when?
frank ether
I'd rather get new guns
slow spade
Same
Fucking psykers with the same staff options since launch lol
Game updates less frequently than a game I play with annual updates
final stone
slow spade
As the Omnissiah wills
thick needle
Got a good Kant IA lasgun and now I'm finally enjoying the pewpew
spice wadi
oh no
slow spade
Not here. Use zealot chat. Ulgo beg you
UwU
thick needle
Is this blessing actually worth having
hollow ibex
usually not an optimal pick
thick needle
It always seems to be "on" so I can't tell if it's triggering or not
tiny summit
Uh see how long it takes for it to reset. On the burst fire autoguns, it resets for the first shot of every burst
thick needle
Yeah I figured that replacing it with Headhunter is probably optimal
tiny summit
You have deadly accurate. Yes. Also it's a lasgun. So a crit is free
terse idol
Opening Salvo also just isn't that great
Iirc it resets whenever your gun fully settles from recoil
thick needle
Speaking of
Is a 5% crit chance perk worth keeping on a Helbore II
thick needle
Still purple, but rn it's got 5% crit, 20% maniac
thick needle
Really
I figured Flak was the option to have on every weapon
frank ether
it only matters if it changes your shots to kill
thick needle
Wish that breakpoint calculator actually worked
Unmodded Meatroom is such a pain in the ass to use
frail maple
First of all, remove the LMB and Gorilla Tape your RMB. Then keep dodging left and right as if you were playing against Boston Celtics. Don't mind your teammates, they're just an accessory to your penance.
If anyone starts to complain, it means they're not motivated enough. Let out a taunt or two in order to raise their spirits.
Spamming your stealth ability won't hurt either. You know what they say: what the eye doesn't see, the heart doesn't grieve over.
quartz portal
Now this is a good roll
terse idol
Now this is a good roll
infernus
carapace
Yeah naw that's pretty gooooood
agile forge
No locks yet so that's definitely perfectable
quartz portal
And Maniacs
terse idol
And Maniacs
Maniac is good
bitter turtle
Really
I figured Flak was the option to have on every weapon
it might be worth changing it to flak IF YOU CAN
since im p sure you cant 2shot a flak rager with bayonet without it
tiny summit
Yea flak on helbores is only relevant vs mauler bodyshots and flak ragers. All other flak units can be domed w/o it
thick needle
Even on the Mk 2?
Fuck it I'm gonna have to lab this shit
Hate hate hate the Psykarium
thick needle
Does the bayonet deal like a fuckton of damage or sumn
bitter turtle
yes
its stronger than the gun part
its also why mk3 is unpopular compared to 1/2
the bayonet attack is shit on it (slow swing instead of quick stab)
thick needle
What in the Resident Evil Vendetta
bitter turtle
bayonet has high damage and even higher stagger
you can unironically bayonet charge into ragers and win
unlike most melees
it basically means you never have to swap unless you have to push a poxburster
make sure you have a melee weapon that has Brutal Momentum since the bayonet inherits the blessing from your melee weapon
the only thing the bayonet does not kill well is crushers
so a good pair is the powersword or rashad combat axe to dome them
tiny summit
Fatshark give helbores uncanny strike
thick needle
I do have some Uncanny Strike 4 shovels
bitter turtle
I do have some Uncanny Strike 4 shovels
no, he's asking them to
it doesnt inherit uncanny
only bromentum
bitter turtle
also agile engagement buffs the stabs
after you kill someone with a shot
so you can actually benefit from agile engagementw hile never swapping
thick needle
Unironically, I like every shovel but the mk3
The rapid sweep heavies are great for clearing hordes
The one I use currently isn't even a new sapper
It's just an old shovel with 20% Unarmored 25% Flak and 80s on all three attack stats
Damn thing can onehit headshot basically anything
thick needle
Caught in 4k
bitter turtle
also
holding down teh button lets you do a charged attack with the bayo as well
its also like knife
where if you hold it down
you actually sprint faster
while charging the attack
thick needle
Max Mobility Helbore to run down Trappers with
thick needle
Bayonet charging the trapper after the net misses
So a peak Bayonet build would have a Brutal Momentum Rashad and
Would Stripped Down actually be peak for Bayonet charges
bitter turtle
i would run no respite/surgical personally
you still
in fact
shoot things
so surgical is very good
no respite buffs the bayonet stabs
you could do surgical/stripped down if you want
steep harbor
Why is the bayonet strike for lucius MKIII so...susceptible to latency? I can mash the mkII stab without any rubberbanding but the mkIII slash seems to bounce a lot
umbral granite
Why is the bayonet strike for lucius MKIII so...susceptible to latency? I can ma...
The mk3 stab basically some kind of slash attack while the mk2 and mk1 are just a single quick thrust right? or am i misremembering...?
steep harbor
Yea mk3 is a slash and mk2 is a stab you can hold and apparently move quite fast while doing so
quartz portal
I'm guessing with Lazguns and other weapons in general people take Damage vs Flak mostly to deal with Gunners and shotgunners.
steep harbor
I never use the mk1 but im sure it has same slash (and issues) as mk3
steep harbor
I'm guessing with Lazguns and other weapons in general people take Damage vs Fla...
Pretty much unless its lucius mk3, it can dps bosses if you can get consistent weakspot shots
umbral scaffold
I never use the mk1 but im sure it has same slash (and issues) as mk3
I remeber Mk1 being just a quick forward thrust
steep harbor
Is it then? I never use mk1 it's the inferior of the other 2 x.x
umbral scaffold
I decided to do a quick test. Seems to be me that Mk1 and Mk2 are very similar, with only the slight difference being the slightly higher charge shot damage on the mark w/ ADS
steep harbor
Mk2 has a very fast charge at 80% with the one...chargeup blessing think it caps around 4 stacks
Mk2 is more of a skirmishing weapon and mk3 is a support sniping weapon
umbral scaffold
Charge time is an rng stat
steep harbor
I prioritize it to 80
My mk2 is 80 everything except stability
Most importantly, you can mash fire the mk2 and cut down poxhordes with it
Not mash but semi charge
The stab can stunlock maulers which is crazy xD
umbral scaffold
I just picked up all three variations (just profane) and the M1 I ended up getting (at 282 rating) has a charge rate of 64%, while the equivalent Mk2 only got 47% charge. Meanwhile the Mk1 has a charge att of 396 while the mk2 has a charge att of 319. Both Mk1 and Mk2 fire just as fast if you tap the fire button.
steep harbor
I forgot the exact charge time for mk2 at 80% but it's like 0.3s?
I havent looked into the mk1 much, it's a strange in-between where it neither excels at sniping nor skirmishing
tiny summit
I'm guessing with Lazguns and other weapons in general people take Damage vs Fla...
Headshots with lasguns are pretty effective, even against flak.
umbral scaffold
Well, while it is true that the Mk2 does charge very slightly faster, it also in the meat grinder (malice difficulty) needs to two shot charged ADS shots to kill a dreg gunner, while the Mk1 needs only one.
tiny summit
Well, while it is true that the Mk2 does charge *very* slightly faster, it also ...
Depends on build and dmg rolls
My mk2 1 taps dreg gunners at range with my build
steep harbor
I use it on damnation and it 1 shots all human enemies on headshots
tiny summit
Also a follow up shot to finish off the dreg gunner isn't the worst
crisp oak
Fyi mk1 does that too
steep harbor
I will look into charge time on mk1 but im certain it isnt that close to mk2's
crisp oak
Mk1 and mk2 are basically interchangable
steep harbor
Fyi mk1 does that too
Right, so if you can 1 shot with something that charges faster, it's better
crisp oak
Mk1 gets better oneshot breakpoints easier, while the mk2 doesnt need onslaught
tiny summit
Mk2 can go w/o onslaught. It charges fast enough already
steep harbor
I use mk3 if i have allies that can protect me
crisp oak
Right, so if you can 1 shot with something that charges faster, it's better
Basically mk1 does it with less invesment
tiny summit
With some MF stacks you can even start 1 tapping dreg ragers
steep harbor
Mk2 can go w/o onslaught. It charges fast enough already
It definitely doesnt need a lv4, the speed caps out at some point
tiny summit
Doesn't need it at all with a decent charge roll
crisp oak
I prefer the mk1 because it still hits most breakpoints while on a support build
idle swallow
ye I don't do onslaught on mk2
crisp oak
Ie shout tagging instead of marksman focus
steep harbor
Doesn't need it at all with a decent charge roll
Yea mines 80, i might replace it for some extra dmg blessing if it doesnt matter much
tiny summit
I just think shout and tag are dumb
steep harbor
Ill play around with mk1 and compare numbers and "feel"
tiny summit
When you test out grays mk1 needs like 80 dmg, Longshot, unarmored, or MF stacks after precision strikes to 1 tap a dreg gunner. It's funny
crisp oak
Mk1 does also have the worst ironsights, so would reccomend buying one of the hellbore skins and putting that on it
tiny summit
You'll do 1400 dmg by the UI...dreg gunner is still alive with a 79 dmg mk1
steep harbor
Is mk1s same as mk2s iron?
idle swallow
bro I would buy a helbore skin with real money if this cosmetic shop wasn't the most ass system in the world
tiny summit
Slightly different. I think it's fov
steep harbor
I have all 3 at mostly 80s in the important stats
I love the mk3 sight
I wish vraks 7 had that iron
crisp oak
Mk3 has the best sights though
And I think the hellbore skins i the shop use the mk3s sight
tiny summit
I just mod
crisp oak
I just mod
Put a 2x scope on it for funny
tiny summit
Never
crisp oak
The 2x scope has mega bob
tiny summit
Putting a reflex feels heretical
steep harbor
If you put a laser sight on a lasgun is it....twin-linked :^)
crisp oak
When you test out grays mk1 needs like 80 dmg, Longshot, unarmored, or MF stacks...
Anyway mk1 needs surgical and like one damage increaser (which vet has tons of) to oneshot almost all things
Ie crusher/bulwarks/reapers
steep harbor
Mk3 i use No Respite because that thing can knock down even crushers
tiny summit
Exe MF Laspistol fun
tiny summit
Bayonet benefits from no respite
I have a mk2 with falter. It's funny stunlocking maulers
crisp oak
Yeah hence why its good for the mk2
idle swallow
I wanna like the mk3 but with the bayonet being so ass I would just use plasma/revolvo/bolter if I want big damage
crisp oak
I have a mk2 with falter. It's funny stunlocking maulers
You dont need any blessings to stunlock a mauler
I stunlocked em with greys
tiny summit
Shows how many mk2s I have
crisp oak
I still dont have surgical or onslaught
steep harbor
Mk3 w/o onslaught or surgical...feels wrong
I use onslaught + no respite
crisp oak
Ives spent over 50k plasteel
Infernus 3, no repite is all I can get
Not even surgical/onslaught 3
idle swallow
Is no respite worth on a mk2
tiny summit
Mk3 bayonet could just be cleaned up. You can keep It's animation but it's dmg and speed is ass. But yea that animation and speed is like "READY! AIM! SLASH!"
steep harbor
I use infernus on mk2 ssince it shoots fast enough for pox hordes and punchthrough
crisp oak
Probably the best option I think
steep harbor
Is no respite worth on a mk2
Doesnt really stagger enough to utilize
tiny summit
Tried infernus on mk2. Not worth.
tiny summit
Doesnt really stagger enough to utilize
Bonus from bayonet and bayonet staggers
steep harbor
Ah true it helps bayonet
crisp oak
Does the bayo charge get infernus?
tiny summit
It's just that helbores don't have a lot of good blessings and it's like whatever for the 2nd blessing on mk2
crisp oak
Yeah
tiny summit
Wonky animation. Wonky aim. Not enough speed or dmg to justify
steep harbor
So wonky!!!
crisp oak
When will they make trench fighter make bayo stab faster
Imagine if they gave the hellbore mk3 bayo counter
idle swallow
If they just make the mk3 bayonet charge up like half as long and make the actual slash more horizontal it could at least be an interesting alternative
steep harbor
It'd be cool if zealots could use hellbores and use chastise the wicked to bayonet charge
idle swallow
But rn it just bad
crisp oak
Id like a bayonet on my bolter
steep harbor
If they just make the mk3 bayonet charge up like half as long and make the actua...
Either make it so you can hold it to use strategically, give it wider sweep or combo attack
steep harbor
Id like a bayonet on my bolter
There is clearly an animation where you "stab" with it so there needs to be!!
crisp oak
There is clearly an animation where you "stab" with it so there needs to be!!
As the omnissiah intended
terse idol
Mk3 would be kinda cool if the Bayonet could stab crushers
Like you know the whole gun is based around being heavy and clunky to deal with chonky threats
idle swallow
Having it be a slightly sticky heavy hit like the new shovel or chaxe is interesting but it would have to do big boy damage
gleaming jay
Anyone got a good idea on a decent rifle to use for Vet? Gave the boltor a go but i feel like between the sway/recoil and limited mag capacity that it was more of a detriment xD
bitter turtle
automatic or semi auto
gleaming jay
Auto would be great
slow spade
Columbus
slow spade
Something like this for reference on stats
timid otter
Get rekt scrub
slow spade
HAHA autocorrected
K
atomic zephyr
hey lads
if i wanted to make a sniper infiltrator build what weapons + nodes would i use
sneaky knife infil is nice but the revolver is boring
atomic zephyr
hehehehehe
i love that thing
essentially im debating which keystone to use
probably gonna use frag and a knife
atomic zephyr
essentially im debating which keystone to use
or no keystone at all
idle swallow
Focus target never bad if you're going down the tree anyways
slow spade
Focus Target is the most universal and gives team buffs
Marksmen has a higher damage potential
bitter turtle
hey lads
if i wanted to make a sniper infiltrator build what weapons + nodes wou...
i would not use v7 for infiltrator
the problem is you need a lot of nodes for v7 and infiltrate has a lot of tax
i guess you could make it work if you give up keystone
suggested keystone is focus target + stam regen just for stamina regain for more deadshot, the damage buff doesnt really matter
this is the best you could probably do
if you insisted
timid otter
Just skip low profile :p
bitter turtle
even if you did
focus target alone is useless
the only reason you take it is for stamina node
in the context of v7
timid otter
Its 8% extra damage against elites, specialists like at minimium
bitter turtle
wow
8% extra damage when i already oneshot them
so useful
gotta rack up my overkill score
slow spade
Focus Target is mostly for the team buff upgrades like the stam
Otherwise you don't really need a keystone
bitter turtle
the only things you dont oneshot on v7
focus target does not push you over to oneshot
sadly
even at max stacks
slow spade
focus target does not push you over to oneshot
Indeed
I mean it helps vs bosses I guess
bitter turtle
yeah, that's about it ig
slow spade
Not that Vet had issues with bosses though
timid otter
Demolition team, stamina regenration delay, duck n dive, 10% toughness damage reduction are other options
demolition team is probably the most notable out of them.
slow spade
I do like that demo team + shredder
bitter turtle
demo team is a valid alternative
but honestly
i'd just
not go infiltrate on v7 then
so you can take literally everything
timid otter
Id expect demo team atleast to be 20 grenades in an auric mission
bitter turtle
for reference
is my actual tree
you can take everything and more
volley fire for faster reload even
meanwhile taking infiltrate means you suffer
slow spade
Is the reload speed slow?
bitter turtle
its not slow
slow spade
Seemed fast enough imo
bitter turtle
but its nice to have it
slow spade
Ah
bitter turtle
that's valid too, though i just have no problems with stamina regen with target down
so i didnt see the need
rather just go back to more shooty
its unfortunate for v7 since you really NEED that left cluster of 6 nodes lol
so a tax heavy ability like infiltrate isnt ideal to run with it
you also need 10% rending or you cant oneshot flamers
atomic zephyr
me watching the lvl 27 psyker go down more than ten times in one match and the other actually capable guy just leaves
slow spade
You get used to it
Had one guy fully die 4 times in 1 match
Lvl 231 Psyker lol
Thankfully he rage quit
Would have votekick but he had a similarly mouthbreathing ogryn friend
mental steeple
Would've been pure bliss if the game launched with solo play.
atomic zephyr
im not good enough for solo play lol
at least in like, histg
but yeah it wouldve been nice
slow spade
Its not that bad until the "oops only bombers" come by
idle swallow
it's slightly amusing and frustrating to see the bots just sit in the middle of a bomber nade and not even attempt to move
slow spade
At least fire doesn't stop regen anymore
You can technically buy time with enough killing
teal oasis
it's slightly amusing and frustrating to see the bots just sit in the middle of ...
Yea I do wish bots had more pathfinding then just "stay near x player"
vale osprey
Listen, there's no ai in the imperium, be glad we even have bots
slim geode
Would be interesting if they were servitors of some sort, and had the Ogryn ability to Rez/de-net without being easily interruped
umbral scaffold
nope
same stuff as last week
serene bough
sad
midnight totem
junior needle
This is why there are felinids and not canids
icy rampart
are chainaxes any good?
timid otter
Great at single target
Terrible at horde clear.
Probably actually among the top 3 worst weapons in the game in terms of horde clear.
If you hate crushers however then chain axe might be the right weapon
Its one of the few weapons in the game that can oneshot them.
hollow ibex
i don't think they're that bad at horde clear
at least the new one
nothing amazing, but not horrible either
icy rampart
ayo the quickdraw pistols go hard
800 carapace damage
anti-crusher aktion
20% crit chance before perks and skills so 25% just with the one vet node
50% with deadshot
then crucian roulette and the perk
plus the 10% crit
you could conceivably hit a 60% crit through the whole mag
junior needle
The 2a is amazing
The fanning revolver blows by comparison due to its accuracy
Also being forced to hipfire for single shot
If you could pinpoint fan with it I'd probably use it
But like, why would I bother fanning and miss 3/5 of my shots at a decent range. When I can just ads with old revolver and use one shot to kill most things guaranteed at any range.
icy rampart
it's a weird tradeoff
ideally you'd fan mauler or crusher but they both just take no damage in that case
paper furnace
i love the idea of the fanning revolver, but it does not hit snipers when i need it too.
i use it sometimes on my zealot, and throwing knives are more reliable.
junior needle
Thing is, you can already blow up targets at close range with the old revolver
idle swallow
They should have the alt fire for the new revolver swap between normal sights and fan fire (and give it a little cleave at least cmon)
shadow dagger
worth buying t4 no respite or nah
tall torrent
worth buying t4 no respite or nah
Only if you’re a collector for blessings
shadow dagger
fun
dusty nacelle
Thoughts on melees to use with a plasma gun?
Also is this worth buying from melkkkk?
hollow ibex
Thoughts on melees to use with a plasma gun?
knife for mobility, or any melee weapon with good horde clear
dusty nacelle
Well, any weapons u would recommend with good hordeclear?
hollow ibex
Also is this worth buying from melkkkk?
yeah that's pretty good, i'd buy it, even if recon lasguns are shit atm
hollow ibex
Well, any weapons u would recommend with good hordeclear?
dclaw 4, shovel, powersword
personally i still prefer knife though
dusty nacelle
Which psword would be best?
hollow ibex
6 is best
austere pine
pc4 and whatever i've been told
dusty nacelle
wut about perks?
austere pine
flak maniac is a good call
ebon umbra
if you wanna max plasma usage time use the devil's claw
other weapons kill better sure but none offer the same hotswap potential
if you're just trying to play the game just use your preferred meta melee
austere pine
really not a fan of the knife
speed
raw steppe
day 2 of rolling for pc4
Dont roll stuff below 360
If you're looking for lv4 blessing
raw steppe
Yes the higher the base rating the better chance of higher level
austere pine
can a 358 get a lvl4?
hollow ibex
why does everyone like it
zoooooooooooooooooooom
austere pine
like, i thought people who used the knife's heavy dash capability to be super tryhards
but i picked it up once and started trying it and i instantly got addicted to the speed. it's glorious
hollow ibex
knife users are generally really bad, or sweaty tryhards that are good at the game
hollow ibex
but i picked it up once and started trying it and i instantly got addicted to th...
see you get it
austere pine
(i don't use it cuz i like to be able to use my melee for its intended purpose and not just speed, but it's a lot of fun to use it for a match sometimes)
hollow ibex
thing is, the damage isn't even bad
the horde clear is mid or ok
but the big boi damage is pretty good
hollow ibex
i usually use knife + nade for hordes
austere pine
lmaoooo i had a zealot leave a lobby of just me and them because they saw this
hollow ibex
at least you have survivalist
idle swallow
Yeah that loadout is perfectly acceptable
hollow ibex
seeing invis vets in a lobby is usually a warning sign for me
i won't leave the match over it though
idle swallow
Now if I see smokes/movement aura I know you're just taking the piss
austere pine
"i'm not like other invis vets"
idle swallow
I like the invis vets that do scan objectives first
umbral scaffold
seeing invis vets in a lobby is usually a warning sign for me
Depends whether they are the only vet or not.
hollow ibex
if i'm a vet, idc as much
if i'm playing zealot or gunpsyker and the only vet is an infil movement vet, i'm going to be a bit annoyed
well, that's the problem with survivalist from a game design perspective anyway
gusty bison
I have like one invis build
And it works surprisingly well
But yea surv is just such a game changer for the othwr classes
austere pine
gonna cry
hollow ibex
at least you got sunder
tall torrent
Now if I see smokes/movement aura I know you're just taking the piss
Depends
flint lake
gonna cry
Supercharge is good with power Cycler. It’s a good complement to hybrid builds that feature weapons with poor penetration like las pistols and Autoguns
flint lake
gonna cry
If you’re hunting for Power Cycler. I’d recommend you level up multiple veteran characters to 30 and then regularly check each of them for desired blessings in Melk’s shop. If you have already filled the base game’s provided character slots, there’s a mod that will open up a handful more.
austere pine
i have a vet, a psyker and a zealot at 30
i have an ogryn at like 7 which i could delete
but leveling to 30 again..? ah...
and i can't do mods since i'm plaiyng on geforce now
junior needle
Supercharge is good with power Cycler. It’s a good complement to hybrid builds t...
It is not
Supercharge is essentially worthless
Because your psword already pens so well
And anything you're hitting in melee to apply the brittleness is going to be dying to your sword
There's no reason to take our your sword, charge it, hit it for brittle, then put it away and pull out your gun
flint lake
Because your psword already pens so well
I personally enjoy making my three slashes on a crusher before swapping to my las pistol to Crit them to death
junior needle
You lose so, so much value from not having brutal or sunder in that slot
When you could just attack again with the sword
Or use the push attack
flint lake
But that’s not as 😎 😎 😎
junior needle
You're welcome to use whatever you want but, don't lead the nooblings astray
If he scrapped sunder and locked in supercharge
Following your advice
Well, I'd be mad to say the least
flint lake
Both blessings are trash otherwise and they’d be missing out on perks
junior needle
Sunder is one of the two meta blessings and is really good
flint lake
I just mean to encourage them to explore different play styles with the weapons they have.
junior needle
You're encouraging people to use a significantly worse setup that basically does nothing
thick needle
I haven't figured out how to check loadouts and I don't care to
last steppe
getting this so far without modifications, other than the blessings i don't got since this is my first real time bothering to make a plasma gun, perks good? they seem to make things a lot easier on me when punching through certain things
junior needle
Stopping power is a bit low, that might cost you
Blaze away is good, you want gets hot and either blaze or gloryhunter
last steppe
what does the stopping power do specifically? this has been doing me absolute wonders so far?
junior needle
Damage to armor types
flint lake
You're encouraging people to use a significantly worse setup that basically does...
How dare I recommended ways to enjoy the game that don’t rely on hadron’s casino.
last parcel
junior needle
last steppe
Damage to armor types
fair, i think the perks have been helping make up for that so far then lol
junior needle
Using the ping keystone can help but breakpoints can be quite tight on plasma without it
hollow ibex
fair, i think the perks have been helping make up for that so far then lol
it's also because it's plasma
junior needle
Going from 2 to 1 shots to kill is a huge difference
hollow ibex
flint lake
it’s so much more fun to hunt for 300+ hours for power Cycler than it is to use what you’ve got in a novel way
last steppe
i've been oneshotting most things uncharged by just clicking heads, so i've not had to worry at all about trying to specifically build for it, pretty much all left side build so far cept diving to grab smokes to help deal with annoying gunner killboxes and such
junior needle
Uh huh, well you might want to mention that you're recommending a poor mans "in the meantime" setup
tribal tangle
but i got power cycler after like 5 powerswords
junior needle
Which still isn't exactly great because you'd be better off with other things apart from supercharge
Which aren't hard to find
last steppe
also, any suggestions for the relic perks on vet? I never know what to grab for relics
sleek garden
grab the highest level stuff you can find out of the shop
tribal tangle
i mean gets hot
sleek garden
probably at least one wound
last steppe
lol fair, but i mean like, I know like, ogryn wants defense against certain specials like gunners and such, since they're a big target. just didn't know if vets had a problem like that with a specific special type
tribal tangle
i generally run 2 toughness curios and one stamina depending on the build
sleek garden
you have kinda low health i think
maybe sniper resistance
because if you arent at full toughness they'll get you good
incoming guys saying uh youre playing vet wrong if you arent using commanding shout with overshield toughness constantly and you wont lose hp if you get hit by a sniper
tiny summit
I personally enjoy making my three slashes on a crusher before swapping to my la...
I mean we can't tell you what isn't fun for you but you could also have the enemy dead with PC4 anyways w/o supercharge
last steppe
yea i'm normally a psyker or ogryn player lol, so vet has been a surprisingly fun journey for me. and honestly? Despite how "ammo hungry" the plasma gun is it's not felt as wasteful as other guns i've used. had a run earlier with 3 plasma vets all essentially ignoring our melee and none of us had any issues since we actually hit shots lol
sleek garden
its hard to miss shots with the plasma gun
kinda
its also super powerful so most veterans i see are always using that or the revolver
last steppe
yea, i kept hearing memes about plasma vets stealing all the ammo but like, just didn't feel that extreme when compared to something like the bolter or literally any full auto gun
sleek garden
honestly i never notice the ammo problems people complain about
last steppe
same so far
tiny summit
also, any suggestions for the relic perks on vet? I never know what to grab for ...
Curio perks are very inconsequential. Grab what looks nice besides like grimoire resist.
last steppe
Curio perks are very inconsequential. Grab what looks nice besides like grimoire...
as in grimore resist good, or bad?
sleek garden
i use fireteam as my aura and i use an mg lasgun or an autogun and i still survive off of grabbing an ammo tin or something from an ammo crate
tribal tangle
2 toughness, 1 stamina, 20% gunners and 30% increased toughness regen speed on all
or just gunners and toughness
tiny summit
as in grimore resist good, or bad?
Bad
tribal tangle
or you can apply for flamers, bombers, ect if you have issues with something
sleek garden
oh one thing about veteran
last steppe
fair, seems i have more freedom on curios here than with ogryn. with being such a big target, gunner resist is practically manditory lmao
sleek garden
stamina regen is a problem sometimes
if you arent using gods chosen powersword if you get cut off alone in a horde eventually you're gonna run low on stamina
sleek garden
fair, seems i have more freedom on curios here than with ogryn. with being such ...
i dont use gunner resistance i just run and hide
works so far for me
because gunners arent the problem, its the 300 shooters
for me at least
last steppe
i usually just lightspam with this and dodge left and right and never have issues if i get cut off, the bleed is nice for bigger things
tribal tangle
pretty decent, bloodletter is mediocre
sleek garden
how is that mediocre
last steppe
maybe so but it's helped me so far lol
tribal tangle
meh
sleek garden
thing die faster equals good
tribal tangle
i generally dont like perks that only work for the special attack
i dont run the fisty thingy one for ogryn either
timid otter
I would presume something like unarmored, flak. Savage sweep, rampage are BIS on chainsword
tribal tangle
savage sweep is really good
timid otter
It should be able to 1 hit bp mutants without maniac.
sleek garden
woah dont say that someones gonna say you're throwing because brutal momentum is the same blessing but better
last steppe
i don't exactly know what cleave IS, but have noticed it makes killing groups absolute childsplay
timid otter
It increases the number of enemies you can hit.
last steppe
though maybe tghat's just me associating two unrelated things
sleek garden
i don't exactly know what cleave IS, but have noticed it makes killing groups ab...
cleave is the amount of enemies your weapon tears through before it gets stuck
last steppe
ahh okay fair
sleek garden
it also affects the amount of damage distributed through the enmies i think?
timid otter
Differnent enemies have differnent values in making the weapon get stuck
sleek garden
yeah
crushers or maulers will typically have your weapon bounce off or get stuck
because they're heavy duty
last steppe
also, for your consideration, the shotgun i've stopped using in favor of trying to put together a plasma gun lol
timid otter
also, for your consideration, the shotgun i've stopped using in favor of trying ...
Fire frenzy, no respite
Kantrael shotgun has to much pellet spread to make use of full bore
last steppe
also, for your consideration, the shotgun i've stopped using in favor of trying ...
felt really good to use at the time, perk choice was more or less for versatility, no matter what the pellets hit i got SOME kinda benefit
last steppe
Kantrael shotgun has to much pellet spread to make use of full bore
you sure? i had been popping really long range targets with it when i ads
like, surprisingly distant
timid otter
ADS and what targets?
shadow dagger
what goes on a mk6 power sword other than obviously power cycler
timid otter
Is it with executioners stance?
last steppe
snipers, ragers, anything non armored i could get a vauge headshot on, without exe stance
like, i could get one shots with the thing at surprising distance
but ONLY if i ads
timid otter
ADS reduces the pellet spread
last steppe
still got surprising range without ads but the ads made it dumb
timid otter
I dont think there is any reason to not ADS on kant
last steppe
plus full bore made it chunk bosses real good, and that made me feel cool kekw
timid otter
Im not quite sure what are the BIS perks on shotgun yet
I would presume flak is one.
sleek garden
i use no respite
timid otter
I will likely test this tomorrow.
sleek garden
it allows me to take down a mauler in 4 hits instead of 6 or something
because my first shot knocks them down
timid otter
I have notes about shotgun but they arent shareable in a discord format
junior needle
what goes on a mk6 power sword other than obviously power cycler
sunder or brutal
Brutal is gives the best chaffe clearing (assuming you successfully hit heads), sunder is more utility with hits cleaving more and being able to continue despite hitting carapace and bulwark shields
shadow dagger
flak maniac as always or should carapace be fit in there somewhere
timid otter
Mk 6 is flak, maniac
shadow dagger
fun
timid otter
With the caveat that you are running desperado, 10% melee
If you are not DO not run maniac
You will not hit any bps on maniac rager or mutant
last steppe
so, dead in match rn due to a demonhost mishap with our assail psyker, but i turned on stance and saw through the fog, a horde of at least 25+ ragers.... actually jumped in my seat lmfao
never seen that many ragers in the same spot all at once before
timid otter
so, dead in match rn due to a demonhost mishap with our assail psyker, but i tur...
I dmed notes btw about shotguns
last steppe
neato thankies
timid otter
It talks about pellet count, how special works
I forgot to explain how spread works between the marks.
last steppe
loool ur good
i likely won't follow it to the letter, since i'm not after meta, just understanding enough to play with perk/blessing combos on my own without being blind
lol
junior needle
shotguns aren’t “meta” in the slightest
So even if you have hipster tendencies, it won’t cause an allergic reaction to use an optimal setup
terse idol
So even if you have hipster tendencies, it won’t cause an allergic reaction to u...
Me as I have an allergic reaction
(I ate peanuts and don't have an epi-pen) 
tall torrent
Mk 6 is flak, maniac
Maniac/carapace/unyielding for PS6
timid otter
Doesnt flak give the flak rager 2 bp?
Hmm its probably worth retesting
Veterans tree can be a mess to test breakpoints with
Things can be missed
tall torrent
Doesnt flak give the flak rager 2 bp?
I think u can hit it without flak? Needs talent point investments
Maniac is for mutant 1 shot
Unyielding is for bulwark 1 shot
timid otter
Its possible i missed a talent in testing flak.
tall torrent
Carapace is just for crusher 2 shot consistency regarding different talent / blessing combinations
timid otter
I was testing without talents, with certain talents, then all the talents.
last steppe
So even if you have hipster tendencies, it won’t cause an allergic reaction to u...
lol i wouldn't call it hipster exactly, In my experience with games like this, a difference in numbers doesn't always mean as comparably large impact on gameplay.
I just like having fun seeing what can be made effective outside of current meta
and comparing how it feels to play meta vs otherwise
sometimes it's not as big a difference as people think, and it's more about personal prefrence in the end, and sometimes the difference really is that huge
that and sometimes, more often than you would think, the meta isn't actually the meta and it's just a personal preference repeated via a game of telephone over and over lol
either way, i have a lot of fun playing with that, and seeing how they feel comparably
and honestly, they've done a really good job imo of making all the guns feel satisfying to use in most regards
at least so far lmao
junior needle
This is true, but a difference in numbers shown to make an important impact on breakpoints is an undeniable advantage
last steppe
very true
junior needle
Typically if something is considered a "meta" setup for a weapon, it is because it's the most effective version after being analyzed thoroughly
timid otter
Veteran is very hard to analyze thoroughly
last steppe
I'm just sad that in my experience the lasguns feels lackluster compared to some of the other weapons on offer tbh. They're just as cool to use, don't get me wrong, but a lot of times it feels like they don't have a solid "role" to fill compared to the other guns
timid otter
I belive there is like 495 damage profiles combinations that vet can have on melee weapons.
And thats for a single armor type
last steppe
see and that's my other thing, like. it is true that diving that deep to make your builds can give a distinct advantage. But in my experience it's not as noticeable when compared to just some guy using a build they like, and know how to play.
I feel searching for meta tends to overcomplicate games like this, and leads to burnout for a lot of people
junior needle
That's because lasguns aren't really exceling atm and have various "feels bad" properties to them
timid otter
I think people have a wrong viewpoint on meta in the game either way in the game
Meta in this game isnt about winning its about reaching the highest dps.
Actual easiest way to win a game is to just equip the fastest equipment you have and bum rush the map with aoe tools when you get to objectives.
last steppe
that applies to all games tbh, in either direction.
People who view meta as all negative
and people who view it as the only goal
Both can end up creating a sort of hostile enviroment that makes the game difficult to enjoy, for both others AND themselves
timid otter
Near every true solo at high difficulty’s in this game is done by some capacity rushing
junior needle
Meta in this game isnt about winning its about reaching the highest dps.
That isn't exactly true
last steppe
yea if that was true the game woulda ended as soon as zealots learned how to OHKO deamonhosts
junior needle
High performance in terms of combat elements helps you win the game without cheesing
timid otter
Yes but the cheese is apart of the game
Thereby its a mechanic that can be played around
junior needle
Can do it =/= is intended way to play the game
timid otter
And if the cheese is the easiest way to win doesn’t that mean its the most meta viable?
last steppe
cheese is a part of ALL games, but it's not ever the intented focus or "mechanic" and has to be handled carefully lest it end up invalidating 90% of the game and just turning into a chore instead of an aactual game
timid otter
Im not saying that its the most fun way to play
But i am saying its what the actual meta of the game is.
junior needle
You still actually have to survive and kill things, including hard targets, are you talking about solo/duo cheesing?
last steppe
I feel they less mean a specific KIND, and just, the myriad "unintended" methods that makes things trivial
timid otter
You still actually have to survive and kill things, including hard targets, are ...
Im talking about actually rushing through the map by avoiding fighting as much as possible
So for example reaching the mid event at three minutes.
junior needle
Never saw this in action
timid otter
Ah i see
last steppe
I feel that cheese has a distinct difference from meta in that, even when playing meta there is some amount of gameplay and enjoyment to be had, where cheese is taking it to the extreme and playing in a way that is clearly not intended and ends up removing most gameplay from the scenario
junior needle
Yes, typically the two are separated. Speedrunning is a rather extreme niche when it comes to gameplay
last steppe
it CAN overlap but like, meta and cheese are different
and honestly in some games, the cheese methods are just blatantly not meta, and only used due to laziness lol
timid otter
Well the thing pretty much is this
You can either play a normal auric damn mission in 30 mins
Or do an actual rush to the end in 8 minutes.
junior needle
Is that with or without actually grabbing resources
last steppe
play the game for 30 minutes, don't play the game for 8 minutes, what a choice to be made lol
junior needle
I'm assuming that takes a whole team of people who really know what they're doing
To actually run through maps like that while grabbing resources
junior needle
Not a level of coordination you're gonna find in pubs
golden nacelle
keep using the one on the right? or fix up the one on the left
timid otter
Nah but its soloable anyways.
last steppe
autogun pog
timid otter
It still usally gives higher rate then the average auric damn even as solo.
Simply due to the low amount of time the mission is completed with, the rates that you find while moving through the map.
golden nacelle
keep using the one on the right? or fix up the one on the left
I could put flakiak on the left one... which would be nice
last steppe
keep using the one on the right? or fix up the one on the left
stability difference seems fairly large, with all other base stats being extremely close. dunno how much that matters specifically but they otherwise seem the same
at least
in terms of usability
last steppe
i would keep the one with better stability and do my thing with it, maybe slap some kind of anti armored perk on it? I always find myself annoyed by armored stuff when running autoguns
last steppe
aye
umbral scaffold
i enjoy clutching
wicked gate
any new outfits
austere pine
in search of pc4, i've done the unachievable
paper furnace
nice
shadow aurora
The grind brainrot is so bad people are boasting about there in-game poverty
junior needle
Also not exactly a boast, the grind is ridiculous and that's just pointing it out
shadow aurora
They seem to be sarcastically noting it as an achievement
I was just trying to be funny man
junior needle
shadow aurora
late hatch
shadow aurora
Wow. How many hours?
shadow aurora
Thats quite some time. I wish i could stay invested in games for that long
late hatch
Its one of the better coop games. I dont play comp games much anymore due to cheaters and toxicity. Working together to beat down the horde of evil is more fun and I almost never end up in a bad mood like i do from comp games.
bleak tundra
need to try hard in pvp , too old to sweaty in pvp game anymore
late hatch
And then I play games like satisfactory and factorio, subnautica, gtav. I only got 392h in VT2 but it was pretty good for a while
shadow aurora
Its one of the better coop games. I dont play comp games much anymore due to che...
Have you tried deep rock galactic?
Its one of the best coop shooters of recent times
late hatch
Have you tried deep rock galactic?
yeah I dont really like the low poly graphics but I played it a little, and Gunfire Reborn is alright too.
shadow aurora
yeah I dont really like the low poly graphics but I played it a little, and Gunf...
Ah well thats a shame. Id recommend you give it another shot. One of my most played games
But i understand the game gets alot of its fun value later on when you have all the guns upgrades and overclocks
late hatch
Helldivers looks ok, but not super interesting. From what I can see it lacks the urgency of coop play like DT has. People can just run off in different directions and then just call down a beacon from anywhere to res a friend. Not as intense and hectic.
shadow aurora
Its like that on lower difficulties but it gets better on higher difficulties
Some enemies came nearly one shot you on haz 5 so being near your team is essential
late hatch
DRG is fun but the graphics are a bit meh for me. I like the realistic look far more.
shadow aurora
Fair enough
late hatch
And the WH40k stuff is cool and the sound and visual design of DT and VT are top notch. Very immersive.
junior needle
I've been playing helldivers, you can only do that in lower difficulties
Splitting up in higher difficulties often leads to getting overwhelmed. It's a very different gameplay style to darktide.
late hatch
Splitting up in higher difficulties often leads to getting overwhelmed. It's a v...
Are you hiding from patrols or shooting everything? I have a couple mates who have been grinding, not sure what diff they were on, but they were 2 manning and not even playing together a lot, then you get high ground and lots of times the bugs just conga line like in starship troopers for pretty easy kills.
They are both pretty sweaty players who gen go for the hardest possible diff.
junior needle
Are they abusing the 4x stratagem bug for tons of mortars?
Because that sounds like what they're doing
For not defend missions, you typically have to leave the area and go do something or other
But defend missions are good for turtling exactly as you describe
You can sneak through maps almost entirely though, running the light armor for that makes it pretty easy. It's really cheesy.
late hatch
There were blowing up bug holes and moving across the map when I was watching. And using the big nuke thing when they get swarmed.
Yeah just dont shoot patrols and they kinda just walk past.
bleak tundra
are there tons big guy?
junior needle
4u
bleak tundra
i dont think u can sneak around and doing main mission in highest dif
even extract defend , game spawn titan left and right
serene sage
Splitting up in higher difficulties often leads to getting overwhelmed. It's a v...
Yeah you simply don't have enough firepower because armor doesn't negate damage, it simply ignores it. So you can't even "clutch" it out.
Still, it's really fun. I just hope we have more armor penetration options though
junior needle
Yeah the armor system is kinda scuffed atm
Basically the only support weapon worth taking is the railgun
serene sage
Helldivers looks ok, but not super interesting. From what I can see it lacks the...
It's the opposite imo. Darktide if you are good, the resources you have will allow you to solo clutch most, if not all, of the times.
The resources in Helldivers is weirdly limited. It's very hard to solo, you simply don't have enough firepower.
serene sage
Basically the only support weapon worth taking is the railgun
Yeah, Helldive difficulty is 4 railgunners
And 4 shieldpacks lmao
junior needle
Also a lot of the guns just suck
serene sage
I think the game relies too much on Strategems (which is hella cool) but the armor spam in high diffs necessitate railgun otherwise your bullets will just bounce.
Other options like rockets, spear, recoilles, etc. are much harder to use.
terse idol
I just kinda hope uhh
They tone it down
Crusher's are... unintuitive
And thiiis is certainly why railgun is just too strong because other support stratagem weapons don't do what it does
And it doesn't take a backpack
serene sage
Actually now that I think about it, the lack of armor pen options might be okay
If they don't make the weakspots so fucking hard to hit
Why bother running around risking deaths to shoot the back of chargers/underside of titans when you can just rail their face which is encouraged
serene sage
Which most of the weapons can't penentrate and you need rail to strip off the armor
Not even EATs can strip that armor lel
junior needle
It finally let me in after hours of waiting, and my purchases still wont go through
So this is the power of swedish video game production
late hatch
It finally let me in after hours of waiting, and my purchases still wont go thro...
I guess thats better than a fully functional store and a game that barely runs. Like diablo on launch
junior needle
Like darktide
Also I was talking about non money purchases, buying weapons for in game currency
serene sage
Server at full capacity at 4AM US East coast
That's freaking crazy
Cause West coast would be like 1AM
late hatch
Server at full capacity at 4AM US East coast
If youre talking about helldivers I heard they had a DB go down so the load on remaining increased and is causing some issues.
umbral scaffold
Every time I lurk in here ppl are discussing Helldivers
Darktide devs are shitting themselves rn
terse idol
Not even EATs can strip that armor lel
oh they caan
You just gotta hit either front leg 😌
junior needle
Darktide devs are shitting themselves rn
That makes the assumption that fatshark management has any kind of introspective ability
umbral scaffold
Fat shark office looking at how every Darktide player switched over to Helldivers immediately
marble bridge
hey not every darktide player
umbral scaffold
(They can’t make the excuse they’re a Swedish company this time)
marble bridge
i switched to destiny 2
umbral scaffold
You’re wrong on the head
marble bridge
so did tanner and shay lol
marble bridge
i’m so sorry for you
untold mulch
That makes the assumption that fatshark management has any kind of introspective...
"Damn, we could have made those Krieg skins more expensive" - 
wanton dawn
Imagine a dumb mf dodging a crusher overhead into you
umbral scaffold
"Damn, we could have made those Krieg skins more expensive" - <:fatshark:1016285...
And they would’ve probably gotten away with it
untold mulch
they got away with it
umbral scaffold
I mean more expensive than what they actually costed
untold mulch
Imagine a dumb mf dodging a crusher overhead into you
Bot once did that to me
untold mulch
I mean more expensive than what they actually costed
Yeah
umbral scaffold
Imagine a dumb mf dodging a crusher overhead into you
To avoid something like this I just imagine every overhead is directed at me tbf
untold mulch
Mah "premium" quality
umbral scaffold
It can and will happen this game is not fair but it wouldn’t be fun if it were
wanton dawn
I swear to god if something like that happens again today i am altf4ing all mid game join
umbral scaffold
https://tenor.com/view/fire-entering-enterin-gamess-wtfhappened-gif-13742847
Joining mid game and the bot you possessed decide to just chill in a bunch of fire
untold mulch
It do be like that
late hatch
Fire is bugged for me atm, I dont see the actual fire, only the particle effects above the fire, which dont start for the first couple seconds.
I need to clean up and reinstall my mods
Its screwed me a few times
blissful flame
how bad is it if a mk 4 has dumped cleave damage?
this is the first mk 4 i've seen that finally hasn't dumped damage
late hatch
that will get you maybe 2 weapons <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
Nah I have a pretty good collection now and rarely roll brunts. I just wait for gifts and leks that are good and rarely churn out some melks when I really want to upgrade an older weap or try out one of the new ones. All of my chars are fairly well equipped I think.
late hatch
how bad is it if a mk 4 has dumped cleave damage?
If you energise, not much, if you use unpowered heavies, a bit.
And you generally shouldnt light with the mk6
frank ether
I don't have the time or motivation to check shops anymore so brunt it is when I want something
blissful flame
oh it's a mk 6, oops
frank ether
this is the first mk 4 i've seen that finally hasn't dumped damage
hate to say this but it kinda bricked on perk/blessing, not that it matters too much, its a powersword, but yea
I assume this was bought from requisition
blissful flame
even more briked now
frank ether
oof
just extract supercharge
its not even good but still good to collect blessings
you never know what future may bring
blissful flame
i'll hold on to it for now, it's the only mk6 i got that isnt' even more bricked
frank ether
do you have power cycler unlocked yet?
blissful flame
yep, rank 4 banked from back before my hiatus
late hatch
If your collection is poor you could change infested for maniac and rampage for a better rampage or bromentum and its not a complete brick.
frank ether
yep, rank 4 banked from back before my hiatus
good you're set then, just need an ok roll
you dont need perfect modifiers on psword btw
I used a 350 roll with 60 cleave damage for about... 300 hours?
I still use it lmao
blissful flame
i just think i need more than 40 damage roll lol
frank ether
it rolled BM4-PC4 so I kept it
blissful flame
i've had extrordinarily bad luck with damage on these
frank ether
one thing to note about pswords
is that their mobility is really dogshit
so actually even tho mobility is a dump stat Its not so bad to have one with a bit higher roll
frank ether
i've had extrordinarily bad luck with damage on these
the thing with this game and crafting is you never get what you want
you get what the game thinks you deserve
I made like 20 d.claw7's and got a perfect one after I gave up on it many months later
frank basin
Ofc is gacha, the house always wins mindset
blissful flame
the only reason why i keep playing is because i can't slot in real money on the gatcha
late hatch
They get you to spend hours playing, which statistically make sthe game look good and on average increases spending in games with cosmetics.
frank basin
We gamble for plasteel for perfect roll we ended up not having it.
frank ether
so you have more time spent in the shopping mall
maybe you'll visit commodore and buy some 'premium' cosmetic when you get bored of spinning and want some dopamine you were rejected by hadron
blissful flame
yep, it's dastardly, but at least i'm having fun doing the grind right now
frank basin
Work, buy, repeat just like our society.
blissful flame
it crosses the line for me when i'm paying money to skip the grind
frank ether
I don't really care if the grind is the game
warframe has that
I can grind platinum in that game you know
blissful flame
yeah, warfarm is one of my most played games on steam
frank basin
2000 hour I guess
blissful flame
it only took like 3-4 thousand hours before i hit the "not fun anymore" point
frank ether
its better actually I can get fat loads of platinum off of rich kids who want vaulted stuff
and then turn that into real cash
frank basin
Riven vendor
blissful flame
yep, and i was the rich kid
frank basin
I heard riven vendor were toxic
blissful flame
i'll farm for mats, but the prime farm stuck in my craw
frank ether
Its a model where both sides are happy if done right
the problem with warframe was not that it was the game's combat itself gets boring after you get too powerful
blissful flame
wasn't keen on spending money on the game shop to give me gear, but paying other players for their own time and effort felt good to me
wanton dawn
DT subreddit become HD2 subreddit 
frank basin
Dump farm unveil riven get plats depend on market
blissful flame
speak for yourself plush, I'm the type that loves stomping on things for years on end lol
frank ether
DT subreddit become HD2 subreddit <:whatthefuck_heresy:1049724444207239168>
I rarely visit there, whats going on this time
blissful flame
probably why im perpetually in malice instead of upgrading to heresy, even though i'm probably long overdue for it
wanton dawn
I rarely visit there, whats going on this time
Same than here
blissful flame
i'm still here cause i only recently came back from a break
frank ether
its rather childish in a sense because
frank basin
Feeling back 4 blood
frank ether
if you are really that captivated by helldivers you wouldn't make those posts but just go play that game and dump dt entirely
thats when a game dev must panic
the absence of these posts
frank basin
Only to pressure their break point theyll start crunch time
blissful flame
that, and i'm one of the small number of people that isnt' getting helldivers because the anti-cheat is one of those shifty kernel-level ones from a company that had security concerns in the past, if i'm not mistaken. Not quite happy to put that on my machine
frank ether
yea so its just ppl's way of throwing a tantrum about lack of content
frank basin
DT playerbase?
frank ether
duh
frank basin
Just need clarification that’s it
frank ether
that, and i'm one of the small number of people that isnt' getting helldivers be...
I don't think ppl really care honestly, majority don't
kernel AC is nothing new btw its been around for decades
blissful flame
that's why i said i was part of a small group
frank ether
as is with AI algorithm based anti-cheats
people throw these terms around like they are new, they are not
frank basin
Muh rootkit yadayada
blissful flame
and old or not, I really dont' like anything being that deep on my pc, especially since that one doesn't get removed if i unisnstall the game
wanton dawn
The dev said it remove when you uninstall the game
The dev don't know shit about their AC
blissful flame
the devs also said they'd change it if people complained. The comments to that post were all complaints
frank basin
The dev don't know shit about their AC
You experiencing kernel still inside your pc?
wanton dawn
You experiencing kernel still inside your pc?
The point is: gamedev are not kernel dev