veteran-class

[frank ether]

they're not

[raw steppe]

in the sense that stuff that's shit people just arent buying

[terse idol]

Its why fifa keeps getting bought every year

[raw steppe]

idk but fifa is still good from what i hear

[terse idol]

Even though people noticed the latest fifa is literally an older version

Its terrible

[raw steppe]

it's a fun game for people who enjoy those types of games

[terse idol]

It doesnt need to be released every single year

[raw steppe]

my normie roomates back in the day loved it

[terse idol]

For full price

[frank ether]

they do, as long as its packed and dressed in a way they like.

[raw steppe]

ye but they can do so with a new roster and people will buy it

so they'll do it

fundamentally it's still a game that people want to play

[terse idol]

Its the issue that many aaa devs are testing the water to see how bad they can make a game where they'll make the most profit with the least amount of effort

[raw steppe]

yeah i mean of course lol

[terse idol]

Yeah because there's no other choice

[raw steppe]

but bad games still get shit on

like look at suicide squad

[terse idol]

Its like THE monopoly

[raw steppe]

or payday3 for example

[frank ether]

you're thinking of

[raw steppe]

those games are bad

[frank ether]

catastrophically low effort

cash grabs

[terse idol]

Payday 3 suffers different

[frank ether]

to the point they are disfunctional

[terse idol]

They aren't the AAA

[frank ether]

payday 3 literally didn't work at launch

[terse idol]

Yeah

[frank ether]

right after they pulled a suprise online only

[terse idol]

I'm not suprised

[raw steppe]

d4 has the same issue

it just

isn't good

[frank ether]

the fact that

d4 sold at all

[raw steppe]

so people are dropping off hard

well from what i hear

[frank ether]

it doesnt matter

game released

[raw steppe]

the first 10-15 hours are fun

[frank ether]

sold copies

[raw steppe]

and 99% of casuals

[frank ether]

probably made monies back

[raw steppe]

dont make it past 2 hours

so to them it's a fun game still

[frank ether]

its like all the people here criticizing fatshark fomo shop

after already buying the game and dropping monies on aquilla

you already voted your decision in a meaningful way your complaints are worthless

[frank basin]

So is hypocrite?

[frank ether]

no, lack of self control

because games are

designed in a way to make you feel like you have to buy stuff now

[frank basin]

Shop rotation

[frank ether]

yes

you feel pressure to buy now before its gone.

because it will be gone.

[frank basin]

Is already things in gta online i had

[raw steppe]

ya but who cares lol

why do people think the aquila shop is bad

[elfin pelican]

I'd buy some decent dlc but cosmetics are silly

[raw steppe]

if it enables continuous updates that are free and it has no effect on gameplay

[frank basin]

I keep checking new car rotations in gta online every Thursday

[frank ether]

where is your continuous updates?

is it in the room with us right now?

[raw steppe]

there's updates every 3 months or so

for this game

pretty consistently

I can prove it if you want me to?

there's also smaller hotfixes, the last one was about a week ago

[frank ether]

oh yea

[raw steppe]

which fixed a bunch of crashes

[frank ether]

fixed premium cosmetic clipping issues

riveting hotfix

[tacit wren]

the business model for a lot of titles is like this now...release stuff half baked and then continue to measure based on sale of cosmetics

[frank basin]

Is almost 2 week with no patches

[tacit wren]

I like the game a lot, and only started about 3 months ago, so I got in when all the good updates happened

[raw steppe]

it did fix crashes

and it also fixes clipping issues on cosmetics

I dont see what's wrong with them fixing that

especially since they've been on vacation for last 2 months

due to sweden

[tacit wren]

The updates are appreciated, but the story in the "base" game before the updates didn't really go anywhere, its just a bunch of missions that dont seem connected

[frank basin]

It didn’t show on steam

[tacit wren]

The devs are swedish?

[raw steppe]

yes that's why they're so slow

lol

[frank ether]

oh no poor swedes

[frank basin]

Fatshark base in Swedish

[frank ether]

having it so rough lmao

[tacit wren]

eh i'd rather they be happy than be burned out and quit which is the american vacation

[terse idol]

They have workers rights

[raw steppe]

yeah but are u also the one complaining about update cadence

or is that someone else

[frank ether]

swede live service games need my sympathy when they take like 2 months to change a - to a +

[tacit wren]

Maybe check before @ing someone ?

[frank ether]

I'm curious if helldivers will live as long as it took fatshark to fix exhilarating takedown

[terse idol]

That's a gurantee

[frank ether]

never know with fomo hype trains these days

[frank basin]

Guarantee

[raw steppe]

why not say out loud the name of that person. thx

[terse idol]

And I'm gonna say it but Helldivers premium shop which only offers to items every 2 days is already beating fs

Err darktide

Lmao

[frank basin]

I have no interest playing game anymore, but I wish to

[frank ether]

isnt it possible to

grind premium currency

in helldivers

it seems more like warframe to me than darktide

[frank basin]

Grinding platinum on free market

[frank ether]

you can get stuff without swiping your credit card for a sense of accomplishment

[tacit wren]

It's not that hard to explain, they don't have as many assets made, so they wanna stretch stuff out

why else do the market shop update every 2 weeks instead of 1?

[frank ether]

I sold platinum for steam cash back when I played wf

[frank basin]

How you sell platinum for steam gift card?

[frank ether]

trade

[frank basin]

That’s odd trading

[raw steppe]

tbh unlike you, I care much less about how expensive the cosmetics are

[frank ether]

gift card or csgo skin in exchange

[raw steppe]

and much more about how good the game actually is

[frank ether]

I had too much of it

[frank basin]

That’s wierd trading

[raw steppe]

if the game is good, i'll spend money on it

[frank ether]

works for me

[raw steppe]

if it isn't, i'll stop playing

[frank ether]

I made profit

[raw steppe]

very good system

[frank basin]

Cool

How process trading platinum wf currency to steam trading gift card?

I hope you didn’t get scam

[frank ether]

lmao

[frank basin]

I’m just confused you saying yeah

[frank ether]

I'm too lazy to explain

[frank basin]

My brain can’t wrap around trading process

But oh well

[bitter turtle]

late but i definitely dont want vs mode for dt

at least if it takes dev time from other things

[frank basin]

I don’t wanna pressure the dev

[bitter turtle]

if they are giving us nothing anyway then sure

[frank ether]

I don't care if it gets vs but I know I won't touch it

I don't care for vt2 vs either

[raw steppe]

vs mode is giga waste of time tbh

[frank ether]

If I wanted a pvp game I would boot up a pvp game

[raw steppe]

i don't think anybody plays it

even in l4d i think it's like 5% of the playerbase

[frank ether]

yea

its just being made

because its promised

[bitter turtle]

basically yeah

games that werent made for pvp but try to jank their way into a pvp mode are never very good imo

[frank ether]

you also have people in pvp games asking for pve features

that don't fit in

[frank basin]

Vt2 movement is clunky a bit for vs

[frank ether]

its a two sided coin

[terse idol]

Yes

You get a free "season pass" progression thing that includes super credits

[bitter turtle]

season pass

[terse idol]

And you can find the premium currency in the map

[bitter turtle]

the only thing im thankful for

in dt

is no season pass

then again its because they give us no rewards

[terse idol]

Its not... like

[bitter turtle]

:^)

[terse idol]

Well its the progression

[bitter turtle]

does it go away

after a limited time

[terse idol]

You can go back to any previous season pass later

No

[bitter turtle]

oh okay

then that's ok

[terse idol]

It just keeps adding so

Yeah

[bitter turtle]

i hate the shit where its like U MUST KEEP PLAYING RIGHT NOW

if i wanted to play a gacha game fomo design i would just load arknights

[frank ether]

so its basically diamantine lmao

[terse idol]

Theoretically there's also enough super credits in the "free" season pass to buy the premium too

[frank basin]

It is like drg when hd2 battle pass stuff remain in shop when passed?

[frank ether]

eh it sounds cool

the only question then is

is the game mechanically interesting enough to stick around

[bitter turtle]

i tried drg

i really didnt l ike it much sadly

[frank ether]

cause gameplay loop is everything for these kinda games

[frank basin]

That’s fine

[wanton dawn]

I tried making a "melee" build but it ended up being a pure hybrid stuff

[frank basin]

Find other game

[bitter turtle]

i did

its called darktide

lul

[frank basin]

starship trooper only game I want it alive since community quite small.

Just like Holdfast nation at war

[wanton dawn]

HOLY MOTHER OF CLIPPING

SInce when the hat started clipping ? That absolutely atrocious

[frank basin]

Looks making me itch

[frank ether]

but we're receiving hotfixes

wow that is atrocious

when did they break that

I liked that cap

yikes

[wanton dawn]

Even worse angle

I am flabbergasted

[frank ether]

its not premium content sorry there are holes in your cap unlucky

hmm

have u tried different hairstyles?

[frank basin]

Im luck my vet is bald

[wanton dawn]

I dunno, have you tried having hair ?

It's pretty good

[tall torrent]

Lmao

[frank basin]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-bald-gif-26454753

[tall torrent]

I’m still waiting for them to fix the Cadian armor’s clipping issues

[frank basin]

This sound to me fs cosmetic have lot issues

[tall torrent]

They do

[trim steppe]

How bad are Tac Axes on vet? I found a perfect one

[tall torrent]

Keep it

[wanton dawn]

[frank basin]

Wait when hardon brick it

[frank ether]

where did all your colour go lmao

[frank ether]

lmao

[frank basin]

You trace the art

[frank ether]

https://tenor.com/view/crunch-luna-stare-cat-gif-12106551165382041393

[tall torrent]

I found this off Twitter

[frank basin]

I thought you draw it

[bitter turtle]

after playing with them a lot

they're not great

but they're also not as bad as ppl make it sound

better on zealot though

[tall torrent]

Tac axes are playable but not great

[trim steppe]

zealot for crit/bleed synergy?

[tall torrent]

Well here’s the thing they actually don’t hit as hard as you’d hope

[frank basin]

Shred and headtaker

[bitter turtle]

it basically is like a knife with better horde clear on zealot imo

[frank ether]

Its usable on vet

[trim steppe]

I'll just sit on this one in case it gets a glow up some day

[frank ether]

not amazing

but it has brutal momentum

you can't go very wrong with bm

[bitter turtle]

yeah on vet its harder to justify, but i still found it playable

just headtaker+bromentum and swing away

[tall torrent]

They need absurd requirements for bruiser 1HS heavy

[bitter turtle]

i dont even bother with it

[frank ether]

yea

[bitter turtle]

i just treat it as extra cleave damage

[frank ether]

luckily I have like 5 tacaxe godrolls and zero rashads

[tall torrent]

And they’re not nearly as good as combat axes vs elites

[bitter turtle]

lol

[tall torrent]

Wish they were better

[trim steppe]

so is combat axe just superior in every way atm?

[tall torrent]

The moment I finished collecting all tac axe blessings I literally just went ahead and sold all my blue tac axes

[bitter turtle]

kinda yeah

[trim steppe]

I already have a solid rashad

[frank ether]

they're not as good as combat axes vs anything

[bitter turtle]

its if you want the novelty

they swing really fast

but uh

if you're talking about power wise

no

they dont offer anything meaningful over rashad on vet

[trim steppe]

Good to know, thanks

[bitter turtle]

oh wait

they offer one thing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVhB1urcD68

it can be like a katana

[tall torrent]

If tac axe crits actually hit insanely hard then u could justify going reciprocity + desperado with them on vet

But they don’t

Tac axe crit HS is around the same dmg as Rashad light atk HS

[bitter turtle]

uh, but does the rashad let you roleplay as a samurai

i dont think so

[tall torrent]

I have the shrineguard nocturne skin for combat axes so I can pretend I’m using kratos’ axe

[wanton dawn]

Heavy be like

[terse idol]

Jotaro hair fr

[terse idol]

I will say... late because I finally got time
I think so, if the devs keep adding new weapons and stratagems and the last faction its gonna stick around at least for a few years

[raw steppe]

there's a decent amount of weapons for them to add

as well as vehicles like mech suits, bikes, tanks etc

and new modifiers/difficulties/factions

[tall torrent]

If they open modding, someone will eventually mod siege of Vraks into it

Or Cadia

[raw steppe]

eventually you'll beat everything and unlock everything

but before then i think it'll be a pretty fun experience

[tawny parcel]

hey guys what melee vet/ Knife build are you guys running?

[tall torrent]

Are u specifically asking for melee veterans or knife build

[tawny parcel]

both

[tall torrent]

Melee veteran has a lot of options depending on the weapons u pick

[terse idol]

Yeah, it's well worth 40 dollar

[tall torrent]

Knife build

• Uncanny strike must have
  Precognition / Riposte / Mercy killer are all pretty good

[tawny parcel]

i typically like using OG/mk3 shovel, rashad combat axe,

[tall torrent]

If you’re gonna play mercy killer, take serrated blade in talent tree

[tawny parcel]

whats your skill tree look like?

[tall torrent]

I don’t really play knife

I have this for Rashad + laspistol

[junior needle]

smokes

speed aura

What motivates someone to do this

[last parcel]

chaos corruption

[tall torrent]

“If u have no idea what ur doing, neither does ur enemy”

But it works

10% melee + AE + move speed aura

The choice was either krak or smoke, and I chose smoke

LS + rending to offset laspistol dmg dropoff

Move speed aura is better than dmg aura, and it leads to 5% crit chance which also helps laspistol

[junior needle]

I am once again posting this

[tall torrent]

I only play that build if there’s already a survivalist veteran on the team

Aura doesn’t stack anyway

[frank basin]

If wish it does

[junior needle]

That is fair

[bitter turtle]

I do it a nyway

and then i take all the ammo too

im just teaching them the value of melee

[tall torrent]

I also took shock troop just to minimize my ammo spendings so team could get more lol

[junior needle]

Most considerate recon user in auric damnation

[late hatch]

TBH its really bad design that the vet is pigeonholed into taking survivalist. It should be a passive for all classes that you regen a little ammo on spec + elite kills.

just gonna leave this here

[serene bough]

feelsbad

wish survivalist wasnt so mandatory

[hollow ibex]

Just do melee only bro

[untold mulch]

ACUnity

[serene bough]

no, dakka only

[tawny parcel]

literally just rolled this... as my first knife, what should i change?

Flesh tearer for Uncanny?

[hollow ibex]

Precog for uncanny imo

[odd sparrow]

100% crit chance to something else, propably flak

[hollow ibex]

Flesh tearer helps with horde clear quite a bit while still being effective on big bois

Though you don’t get as much value out of it as zealot

[serene bough]

Id run uncanny + flesh tearer

some people swear against bleed knife but overall I find its useful

uncanny is a must have though

[placid portal]

Rending backstab

[raw steppe]

rending backstab is simply too outclassed rn

once they nerf the numbers for uncanny to like 7/8/9/10

i think I'll prob consider it

[slow spade]

quickplay damntion -> normal damnation -> guy dies FOUR times

like bruh

[idle swallow]

After a second death I would probably just leave the match in shame

[placid portal]

Would break keyboard if 4th death was a ledge kill

[fresh saddle]

what's dump stat on Columnus? not sure if i want to invest in this

[tiny summit]

...

[oblique forum]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1102976131503763496/1207596420870311946/helldivers_meme.jpg?ex=65e038ce&is=65cdc3ce&hm=653ce15c61265d76526b56923e5a884aeed29a485835b466a51aa4ebe0f7a6a7&

[slow spade]

funnily enough they did have a big brain play

the guy that died 4 times triggered a daemonhost -> ledges himself -> Ogryn frag bomb knocks the host off the map

accidental monumental big brain move

[fresh saddle]

i went ahead and consecrated it, looking at it i already don't like the perks

[slow spade]

:c

[wise fossil]

Sweet Lord that is bricked...

[fresh saddle]

yyyyup

i donno what to change to make it salvageable

[slow spade]

there's nothing you can

[wise fossil]

Stability is arguably like the second most important stat for IAGs after stopping power

[slow spade]

just try for another one

at least it was a meh one

I had a really good stat one and Hadron went ballistic on it lol

[fresh saddle]

copy that, thanks for the heads up, i'll just take the blessing off it

thanks for the help friends

[slow spade]

I got tempted by the gambling twitch again

Hadron...

[flint onyx]

Good luck

[slow spade]

300k dockets and only 1 usable gun UwU

[flint onyx]

Could be worse, you could have spent 1mil on trauma staffs

So what did Hadron do with it?

[slow spade]

OH

[hard briar]

Inputs and Ram downloads

[slow spade]

[hard briar]

the Techpriest equivalent of Hookers and Blow

[flint onyx]

Congratulations

[slow spade]

nvm Hadron, I won't scrap code you

[last parcel]

Please put a spoiler on this. I was on the train and when I saw this I had to start furiously masturbating. Everyone else gave me strange looks and were saying things like “what the fuck” and “call the police”. I dropped my phone and everyone around me saw this image. Now there is a whole train of varlets masturbating together at this one image. This is all your fault, you could have prevented this if you had just spoilered the image.

[idle swallow]

https://youtu.be/p02U2kd5p6w?si=w8SVUjtztC0TLCwE

[slow spade]

the Omnissish approves this message

[fierce spoke]

Been running with this for a while, should I change anything? Finally found Gets Hot! IV, so thinking of that

[flint onyx]

Or you change unarmored and glory hunter to carapace and blaze away, maybe? If you do gets hot 4 you should still change one of those

[flint lake]

Blessings on plasma don’t matter but Blaze Away is better than Gets Hot.

You should keep unarmored and swap out flak for carapace or unyielding

[slow spade]

Don't listen to the heretics

5% crit node + Gets Hot 4 + Reprocity talent 😎

100% crit build plasma 💪💪💪

[flint onyx]

Keep unarmored?

[slow spade]

Fuck dreg gunners

[flint lake]

1 taps dreg gunners

[slow spade]

Ironically flak should be enough

But they LOVE to put their arms in front of their chest

Making it an unarmored damage hit

[flint lake]

You can go with the plasma Crit but it’s more effort for little return

[slow spade]

The Omnissiah declared Yellow damage > White damage

[flint onyx]

Makes sense, plasma can shoot 1000 dreg gunners at once but god forbid they put their hand in the way

[flint lake]

The plasma gun calculates its damage using the torso’s locational modifier but uses the armor of whatever spot on the hitbox the shot landed.

[flint onyx]

Wtf

[slow spade]

This does mean that plasma never gets the arm/leg damage penalty

So I'll take it

Meanwhile Surge staff taking weeks to not randomly get a 50% damage nerf

[gritty mural]

Yes

It was one of the first changes they made to it after launch

[raw steppe]

You have two options:
Either keep unarmored if you're specifically running a WS plasma build that does not run the 15% elites perk
Swap out both perks if you're running tag, marksman or keystoneless plasma

[terse idol]

Well

Only with the BP

😌

You'll only be able to kill 500 without it

[umbral scaffold]

Do Gets Hot and Blaze Away go to 4?

[fierce spoke]

Sweet, thank you Vets for the insight. I am running Focus Target build. Mad toughness regen, with Born Leader passive

Have yet to acquire Blaze Away on any tier level for Plasma

[placid portal]

unsure people say they do but in fact it goes up to III

[wise fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/sxv-wtf-gif-23560064

[gusty bison]

I made the mistake of looking at reddit today

Jesus people are dumb

[wise fossil]

Makes sense why I was getting that feedback in the Psykanium

[gusty bison]

This also lets it do damage to bulwarks through the shield

[wise fossil]

So does that mean the +30% weakspot damage node is pointless for plasma?

[junior needle]

Born leader seems much better than it actually is

[gusty bison]

No its still a weakspot hit

So u get finesse multipliwr

And weakspot mult

But u ignore any location based multiplier

E.g.

Arms are normally reduced damage.

Plasma ignores that

[wise fossil]

Because I was hitting maulers with headshots and not getting orange damage numbers

[bitter turtle]

Thatw a bug

[gusty bison]

Thats just a visual bug

[wise fossil]

Huh okay

[bitter turtle]

It's a weakspot

[gusty bison]

Its still a headshot

[tiny summit]

Let fatshark cook whatever chaos logic they come up with

[shadow dagger]

worth buying just to rip the blessing or nah

probably wont be to use because i have an equally mediocre one

[south garnet]

If you are gonna talk trash please at least name me in your dispute

[umbral granite]

Holy crap, hadron didn't fuck my chainsword up for once...

[muted knot]

Sweet sword you got there brother

[umbral granite]

Finally, a decent upgrade to this thing.

[spring spindle]

How do you get Moebian 21st cosmetics?

[muted knot]

Rev it up to rampage and after that either flak to 25 or maybe wrath for SS depending on what you like

[muted knot]

You had to play before some point in time

If you did you just have them in your inventory

Probably pre class overhaul but I'm not sure

[tall torrent]

Have played the game before Nov17, 2023

[candid vapor]

I am ashamed to see people using Chainsword as a stat stick

Just run fast and eat ass huh?

[umbral granite]

Well, i've explained the story behind this particular chainsword before at least 4 times now, so I'll sum it up.

I made the weapon when i was still a newbie vet because i got it as a purple from melk. And up until the chainsword in my post above it, brunt refused to sell me one with better base stats.

[white minnow]

the working theory so far is that the on-hit explosion is coming after the direct hit, so it's messing with the damage number

since the other weapon with an explosion on-hit (voidstrike) has the same issue

[teal oasis]

Is there any keystone worth getting, the only decent looking one is focus target

[white minnow]

i consider them all to be pretty good so just pick whatever fits your bill

[candid vapor]

I don't care abou the story too much, just annoyed that some people, especially in psyker chat think chainsword is only good because you and run at mach 5 and bleed things

[umbral granite]

I mean the bleed damage is pretty nuts...

[candid vapor]

Depends on your build. I'm partial to weapons expert

Feels nice to have long dodges and the switcher style is quite fun

[candid vapor]

True, but the only things that are gonna survive to feel it are crushers and bosses. My chainsword one shots everything else with a heavy rev

Bloodletter was good when chainsword wasn't as strong as it is now

[umbral granite]

I like focus target because my current auric build for the "With my friends" missions is a support-vet build that runs the slug shotty.

and being able to constantly buff the teams damage is really good

[candid vapor]

Being able to delete bosses with it is quite nice

[umbral granite]

The modified chainsword

Rampage 4 and bloodletter 4 lets goooo

[candid vapor]

Nice, I used to run with that on psyker

[umbral granite]

My psyker uses Diemos or DS4 normally

[candid vapor]

I am a chainsword enjoyer. I run chainsword on every class. Rampage + Sweep or Shred + Wrath depending on whether I'm using crit or not

I don't like Deimos too much and DS4 gets old quickly for me.

Run DS4 with my purge build, Rampage + Shred

becuse I don't have a good riposte blessing yet

[final stone]

deimos doesn't mesh well at all with perspectives and third person camera in general

I've found I actually worked my way back to the obscurus

it's a lil frustratingly stuck between single target and illisi paper cuts

[paper furnace]

lego spaceman has joined the party

[final stone]

but the power up is straight leet delete and deflector gives it some real armor

[spring spindle]

I love getting a Catachan sword with savage sweep 4 and then I look in my blessings I have and see Rampage 3 (I forgot I got it)

[final stone]

PRAISE EMPRA

[placid portal]

Ah a fellow Diver

[frank basin]

Hmm

[placid portal]

Kinda true

[frank basin]

I am lost of pleasure to play any game

Means “video game not fun anymore” 😦

[placid portal]

Sounds like you gotta widen your pallete

But taking a break is more important

[frank basin]

Suck to suck clinical depressoo just hit roof top

[placid portal]

That's how burnout kicks in

[frank basin]

I used to play lot game, now I just go discord talk people laying on bed

[shadow dagger]

its weird how obvious a poorly performing plasma gun user is

[placid portal]

when you don't see their names on the elite/special kill feed that means something is going wrong

or there are 2+ vets

[frank basin]

I had long break from playing game already.

[placid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/count-gimli-legolas-gif-23674858

[frank basin]

Like about almost month to it

[placid portal]

PoV: 2+ Vets in one strike teams be like

Gotta admit 2+ vets is a challenge who gets more elite/special killing imo

[placid portal]

same

[frank basin]

If those 2+ plasma vet, what’s it going be?

[placid portal]

Whoever that doesn't get ledge'd by a barrel wins

[frank basin]

Mmmm

[placid portal]

no one will know when you blow up a barrel and kill em

[frank basin]

Guh

Well. Is kinda boring to play Darktide

Same weapon same map. Im waiting other game to cook

Maybe someday if I recover clinical depression I would play it

[placid portal]

other game?

[frank basin]

Say like starship trooper,

Or payday 3

And helldiver 2

I prefer not to play early

[placid portal]

Payday 3 needs to put that back in the oven and check the temperature again

[frank basin]

Or I’ll get content burnout fast

[placid portal]

true

[austere mica]

Helldivers 2 came out slightly burnt but otherwise it’s great

[placid portal]

Kinda sad you can't take multiple of same strategems

[austere mica]

Very different compared to the first but it’s not a bad thing

[austere mica]

You could do that in 1

I met someone with 4 nukes once

[placid portal]

So long as helldivers 2 don't bring back the rumbler it'll be fine

[austere mica]

Rumbler was the shit

[placid portal]

also lot of the Orbital Strategems need cooldown reduction

[frank basin]

There’s not much of new shooter game for me. Except Palworld not into much of it.

[placid portal]

Eagle strike has some insane recovery

[austere mica]

I tried to get good at the commando for those 2 shot IFV’s but I couldn’t

[placid portal]

Commando is fun

[frank basin]

What class Hd2 have?

[placid portal]

Still getting used to the ard

[placid portal]

No classes

just weapons and strategems to mix and play to your disgression

[austere mica]

Commando is fun until you miss slightly and use 6 rockets

[placid portal]

Hopefully they fix the armor stat

Heavy/Medium armor has no benefits

[austere mica]

Technically armor counts as a “class” but all it affects is HP and movement

Also fun additional perks

[frank basin]

I would go heavy gunner armor

[placid portal]

Armor perk is what makes it matter

Medic is kinda amazing

[austere mica]

But nothing build defining

[placid portal]

Well, +2 grenades +2 stims, and 30% throw range is one helluva drug

[frank basin]

Imma see about it in someday about hd2

[placid portal]

Ye take your time, devs are cookin

[austere mica]

The dumdum got such a massive power boost between gamers

[placid portal]

The Autocannon? that thing is pretty good

[austere mica]

The servers are roasted right now, you need friends for consistent matchmaking

[placid portal]

don't even need assist reload

[austere mica]

Yeah

[frank basin]

Ik about that, even steam chart is down

[austere mica]

It was good for like only illuminates (rip for now) in 1

[placid portal]

Only weapon close to that kindof speed is the Spear Lock on Launcher but it seems inconsistant

[austere mica]

Now it shreds anything

[placid portal]

Oi that thing also deals well vs Hulks & Centurions

[austere mica]

Rumbler/ commando

[placid portal]

Personally I prefer dakka vs Illuminates

[austere mica]

Yeah dakka is my illuminates build

It’s so funny

[placid portal]

esp since diff 15 dont spawn IFVs

the Grenade launcher does fine there deceptively

[austere mica]

The fact that the faction with hyper advanced energy shields requires zero AT is so funny

[placid portal]

Well you could use AT vs Obelisks

Break em in 1 go while shelled up

[austere mica]

But you can also use the 15 second CD strafe

[placid portal]

or the 30 sec Cannon strafe

even better

Shreds enemies and friends alike

[austere mica]

And run strat priority so it just never goes on cooldown

[placid portal]

Unless it's a snow/jungle

[austere mica]

I am so devastated my child the LAS-16 is gone

[placid portal]

Kinda sad all terrain boots is literally kinda forced

[placid portal]

who is that one?

[austere mica]

I only run them on snow

I can deal with jungle

[austere mica]

Single shot

None of the names are descriptive

The one with the fucked tap fire if that helps

[placid portal]

the SIckle?

[austere mica]

Yes

[placid portal]

They might bring it back next warbond

[austere mica]

If it sucks I am done with existence

It was my child

[placid portal]

they gotta buff the other guns, the breaker is kinda insane

[austere mica]

Breaker was always good

Now it’s fucked

[placid portal]

amazing

[austere mica]

Sad the punisher doesn’t have the ammo to do shit anymore

I never ran the 12 gauge sniper

[placid portal]

just ammo nerf in general ngl

[austere mica]

Atleast ambient ammo exists now

[placid portal]

also resupp being shared with team makes ammo more tight

[placid portal]

tru

[austere mica]

And grenades are useful

And you can take an alt sidearm without gimping yourself

[placid portal]

Sad that grenades have their own ammopacks instead of it being shared

[austere mica]

The machine pistol being a straight up upgrade is funny

Also the defender doing more damage than the liberator per shot

[placid portal]

Not a fan of the recoil but the fact it brings more ammo vs peacekeeper will be something

[austere mica]

Just set it to semi

It onetaps all it needs too

[placid portal]

Defender smg is goated, I pair it with a ballistic shield

[austere mica]

It used to be the worst one hand

Now it’s fucking balling

[placid portal]

well tbh smgs weren't a thing

[austere mica]

There were like 3 and 2 were useful inside a niche

[placid portal]

kinda sad the guns got bulkier compared to the 1st

[austere mica]

Crowd control and case carry

[placid portal]

Feels like generic future weapons

Why do weapons get bulky in space games

[austere mica]

Also railgun is apparently nutty now?

[placid portal]

Railgun always nutty

[austere mica]

Like no longer an armor staller

[placid portal]

Made em a sniper rifle

even stronger than Anti material

[austere mica]

I have seen nobody with the anti mat

Not a single soul

[placid portal]

I used it

killed myself from explosion

[austere mica]

I just knew the AC-8 was better so I skipped it

[placid portal]

Also the rocket launchers have backblast

So standing behind someone using em will knock you down like crazy

[austere mica]

It’s annoying but the rag dolls make it okay

I wonder if there’s prone dive rocket jump move tech yet?

With the explosive dr armor

[placid portal]

You need the 50% survival armor

and pray it triggers twice

[austere mica]

I don’t have it yet

So generic chunky bitch armor unless bugs

[placid portal]

armor rating doesn't do anything, devs are trying to fix it

[austere mica]

Good to know heavy armor is still the pick for cyborgs

[placid portal]

Heavy armor isn't working rn

No cap

[austere mica]

Wait what is it supposed to do, i just thought it just chafed hp

Changed

Fuck you ios

[placid portal]

You take same damage at all armor types

just wear light armor until they fix it

[austere mica]

Yeah I thought it was supposed to scale hp not dr

Good to know though

[placid portal]

I bought that jug armor set and I will wait patiently for the fix

[austere mica]

I’m also super happy they did paid currency well

I have 13 hours and have made like 140 from mission drops

Almost 2 bucks

[placid portal]

knight SMG is a sidegrade to liberator for some reason

worst part is explosive liberator is........... underwhelming

[austere mica]

There already exists an intensive damage calcs spreadsheet

[placid portal]

but no Enemy Bestiary ingame

[austere mica]

It has lots of ammo and slow rof, I like it

[austere mica]

Yeah that fucking blows

[placid portal]

300 rounds

vs 45 * 7 = 315

not much diff

[austere mica]

I can’t even see the lore for the Redemptor Dreadnought

[placid portal]

[candid vapor]

what perks do I want for my power sword?

[austere mica]

Power cycled 4 and brutal momentum are standard

[candid vapor]

perks

[austere mica]

Cycler

I may be stupid

[placid portal]

that's blessing

[candid vapor]

not blessings

[austere mica]

They are both the same damn thing both are perks one just had a fancy name

Has

Aa

Brain made of soup early tonight

[candid vapor]

It's okay, it happens to the best of us

Jesus, this thing is nuts, why didn't anyone tell me that BM on power sword is crazy, i don't even think the perks matter anymore

[hollow ibex]

Tbf

BM on basically everything is nuts

[candid vapor]

I had one with Slaught earlier, but this just blows that out of the water

[shadow dagger]

lmao

hadron burning the house down with this one

[slim geode]

They need to just make it "fire resistance" at this point, and tweak values as required

[wanton dawn]

I prefer sunder

But in general ps "bad" blessing would be among the "best" on other weapon

Slaughterer, rampage, shred (?) are really not spectacular

[bleak tangle]

good for Vet??

feel like I have to reBless both tho

[candid vapor]

bad dump stats

you want damage and stopping power to be number one, but it's not terrible

Full Bore isn't great for Kantrael either

[bleak tangle]

My Id is cursed to always have Damage as the dump stat, so I already make peace with that

[candid vapor]

fair enough

Flak is good, UNyielding is pretty alright. Scattershot and Flechette/Manstopper would be good and fun

[bleak tangle]

that's why i'm here to ask you all, feel like the blessing will take both re-slot, so I want to know if the perk/stat not too bad

wait, Flechette? the bleed on crit one?

[candid vapor]

yup

fire + bleed is pretty fun

I'll be honest, Kantrael shottie is not very good

[bleak tangle]

I know

Dragonbreath shot tho

[candid vapor]

The overall damage is too low and the "horde clearing gun" is not a niche that needs to be filled

Dragonbreath is cool as hell tho

[bleak tangle]

I know I won't run it in Auric, but regular 5 is fair game

[candid vapor]

You could run a switcher build with manstopper and flechette and have some great wave clear potential

[frank ether]

I meant more in a mechanical depth kind of way rather than content variety, but sure having more content always helps.

[terse idol]

oh no yeah

I don't think it can get much like mechanically deeper

[frank ether]

thats the thing, like look at DRG with its procedurally generated levels and shit

genious concept

but uhh, game gets stale at some point

the skill ceiling is rather low

So it ends up as more of a vibe with friends game rather than something you'd actually want to boot up by yourself

[terse idol]

I guess technically like Helldivers has procedurally random levels teechnically

[frank ether]

I just think its more like DRG in that sense

Well I guess its fine for people to get tired of games so its not exactly a ''problem''

[umbral scaffold]

They do plan on adding player mechs iirc so I could see more vehicles being in the cards i.e. EDF

[frank ether]

that sound really fun actually

I'd also like if they added like

bigger game modes

like what if I have more than 4 players you know

[bleak tangle]

4 4-players

each 4-players has a tank to crew, pilot gunner turret teamaker

[frank ether]

so 16 players lobby?

[bleak tangle]

4 tanks, 1 map

source : my ass

[frank ether]

lmao

I mean would be cool

I wanted like a large scale PvE experience

but starship troopers was kinda ass as a game

[bleak tangle]

closest we have right now probably ARMA

[torn inlet]

SST is fun for a little while

[frank ether]

arma is the game where people spend like weeks setting up a modpack and then %90 of ppl lose interest after few sessions

we had a halo flavored modpack last time

was actually not that bad

had grapple hooks jetpacks and shit

also elites were tanky as heck which made combat interesting

[thick wolf]

speaking of EDF, EDF 6 international release got delayed

[bleak tangle]

U got feel good chemicals even before starting the actual sessions by seeing modpack work alone, that how good ARMA is

[frank ether]

lmao true

thats usually the case with modding in general tho

its like shopping for toys

[bleak tangle]

I feel like "I'll get into EDF when a definitive edition arrive" start to be an exercise in futility

last time I remember 4 was the latest EDF

[thick wolf]

is it just me or Mk12 brunt rolls tend to love having the damage bar basically stuck at like the 50 or 60%

[sonic marlin]

seeing lvls this high is kinda crazy

[junior needle]

What a well rolled recon lasgun from my shop, it'd be a shame if it was absolute dogshit and had the lowest dps in the game

[agile forge]

buy it and hope for a buff

[junior needle]

I already did, you can tell from the picture

I'm not hoping for anything though, fatshark has continually refused to make them good on purpose throughout the whole lifespan of the game.

[sonic marlin]

anyone here with perfect/near perfect Rashad? I wanna know how long it took you to get it or if it was just a lucky pickup from brunts requisitions

[agile forge]

It is a fools' errand

[sonic marlin]

[agile forge]

Looks pretty damn good

Flakiac I guess?

Hand Cannon and Surgical are the important bits

and you have them sorted already

[odd sparrow]

maniacs definitely, flak might be nescesarry if you dont hit the 1hit gunner BP, if you do hit it then either carapace or unyielding.

[agile forge]

They are essential for a Zarona to do its job properly tbh

Turns it into a crusher slayer

Flak / maniac I think

I'm only using it on my zealot atm

oooooooh

My mistake

Surgical is not for agri

you want crucian roulette and hand cannon instead I think

Sorry I didn't read the whole thing

got too excited seeing a good stat revolver with the right blessings natively

I have no idea how to make an agri good

Zarona is a kind of sharpshooter revolver

you can aim down sights with it

it's more powerful

has way better penetration

but you fire it shot by shot and it reloads shot by shot

Agri is weaker, but you can fan the hammer on it

and it has a speedloader

it's more general purpose

I haven't used it, I don't like the idea of it

it's less popular

but a lot of people do still like it

I feel like you can probably use it in more builds and more flexibly than a Zarona

on veteran with Zarona you really want the right keystone so you can automatically reload bullets by swapping

Agri it isn't as important, you can make it more general purpose

Yeah, go for it :)

Zarona's an amazing weapon for any melee focused build

instant swap, excellent accuracy penetration and power

plus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOa6l5jE4P0

It does

Zarona's like the ranged weapon for zealots

does everything you want if you're getting stuck in melee most of the time

Some psykers use it too lol

mad psykers

can't imagine using a gun on psyker that isn't CIAG

You don't want a zarona with that

it's overlap

columnus infantry autogun

it takes too long to type every time lol

You have a Vraks Headhunter VII

Headhunters are burst rifles

Infantry Autoguns are regular rifles with aim down sights (and of those, the CIAG is meta and overtuned)

Braced autoguns are rifles without aim down sights (bad weakspot and crit modifiers but better bodyshot damage)

There is also the Ius Shredder Autopistol (just don't, it's dogshit)

So about the headhunters, you have the Vraks VII (single shot), the Agripinaa Headhunter (double shot) and the Vraks III (triple shot)

so if you like it but want to not break your mouse maybe try the vraks III

[gaunt delta]

Modding Darktide is kinda a gamble right now, because they keep pushing content drops and patches that might break mods. Also there’s no Steam Workshop mod integration or in-game mod support.
HOWEVER
Lots of folks have been using mods for ages now and they seem fine.
Go to this Discord if you dare:

#📌communities message

There’s a full-auto mod; if you have heard of it, why aren’t you running it?

[thick wolf]

rolling a lasgun mk12 just for the lolz, is it normal to have its damage bar be perpetually stuck to 50 to 60%

[muted knot]

In what world do you life where there's content drops being pushed ?

[sonic marlin]

I love when these people jump into auric damnation and give you great tips like 'USE YOUR HEALTH STIM U WILL DIE'

why isn't true level integrated in the game

bout time

[thick wolf]

probably the same reason why scoreboard isn't implemented officially in the game

[trim hemlock]

My bets would be on that, or the features in which your true level mattered haven’t yet been implemented into the game

The game tracks your experience/total level past Level 30, so there is some idea for it to be built upon

[sonic marlin]

I've never heard of anyone actually trying to be good for the sake of the scoreboard

Aren't you trying to be good to complete the mission? lol

I use it to see if I actually did my best

[thick wolf]

given that some people frequently use them as a means to cast themselves as superior, I can see why Fatshark didn't want to implement such an elaborate scoreboard

[trim hemlock]

I turn off the tactical overview during the mission, so to not distract myself

[frank ether]

bohoo numbers are scary

[trim hemlock]

You can’t focus on the scoreboard if the only times you see it is post-mission summary and in scoreboard history

[sonic marlin]

I barely check it during the mission

[frank ether]

I honestly forget that you can even check it mid-game lmao

[sonic marlin]

is it fine to get rid of rending? I'm switching to krak

[trim hemlock]

I press TAB sometimes to see how much crafting materials we got

So I naturally started to get distracted by it

[trim hemlock]

This is just a skill build in a vacuum. What are the weapons you are using?

[sonic marlin]

columnus and mk6 psword

[frank ether]

It would be perfect if I could have scoreboard while loading back to the shopping mall

[thick wolf]

but yeah, is it normal for mk12 rolls to have its damage modifier cap to be stuck at 50-60%

[frank ether]

I'm tired of staring at loading screens

[trim hemlock]

I think I could live without rending/brittleness with PS6 as my melee

[thick wolf]

because I never got a mk12 lasgun with a damage modifier above 65%

[sonic marlin]

I'm thinking of going keystoneless

[frank ether]

I got like 4, all of which hadron bricked

you'd cry if I showed you how many bricks I keep in my inventory

such good rolls completely and utterly bricked

[sonic marlin]

these 4 feel like a waste

[frank ether]

bruh

why do you hate crit chance, finesse, toughness

[trim hemlock]

Why, these are all excellent

[frank ether]

so much good stuff in there

[sonic marlin]

I can't even use the keystone bonuses for weapon specialist

so much qol stuff

[frank ether]

then don't take the keystone

its overrated anyway

[sonic marlin]

what do you use

i moved on from ft

[trim hemlock]

None of them should be considered mandatory anyway

[frank ether]

I use no keystone

on most builds

just take normal nodes and make balanced build

[sonic marlin]

thats why i said they are qol stuff

[thick wolf]

my usually prefered keystone is just

"hey, yellow highlight enemy"

[sonic marlin]

this is what i would probably choose if i didn't use a keystone

[oblique cedar]

is that a mod for compressed skill trees?

[sonic marlin]

yes

[oblique cedar]

whats it called

[sonic marlin]

Smaller Talent Tree

[oblique cedar]

thanks brother

[chrome pumice]

is shotgun work investing? IReally wanna make it work

[trim hemlock]

From “fun” perspective, sure, but if you care about exceptional performance, shotguns aren’t the best at performing over anything else

[chrome pumice]

not even clearing crowds?

[agile pecan]

Should I buy this Plasma Gun from Melk?? Won't be purchase anything from him for at least couple of weeks If i buy this
https://imgur.com/a/5R6o57y
(sorry for the links, for some reason I can't post picture yet here)

[trim hemlock]

Not even that, at least in my view. You typically shouldn’t expect your ranged weapon to kill crowds of trash enemies anyway

Unless it’s, IDK, Plasma, which is just stupidly broken

[chrome pumice]

welp im sad now

i invested all my plasteel and damia on getting agood roll

[sonic marlin]

nah thats pretty ass

331

unless u got melk bucks to spare

[agile pecan]

got it

what's a good weapon metrics in that vendor aside from good blessings??

[tiny summit]

If you got the melk bucks, and you play often, may worth for you to pick it up for Gets Hot blessing

[chrome pumice]

aight. how about recon lasgun. Ya know the famas lookin ass gun

is it worth investing cause I think i got a good roll

[sonic marlin]

pretty sure no

[trim hemlock]

Consider picking a weapon category that is not regarded as relatively not good in the game’s current state of balance

If you want to use a las weapon, Infantry or Helbro lasguns are great, and pistols are also decent

[chrome pumice]

damn i really cant catch a break .-.

[sonic marlin]

You could use it if you think lasguns are cool but you would be sabotaging yourself

[chrome pumice]

fact it took a whole mag for me just to kill one rager

i can see why

[trim hemlock]

There might have been space for them, had they not had atrocious finesse damage values

[chrome pumice]

jeessuuus

[agile forge]

also dogshit maniac multiplier

which is bad news on a ranged weapon

maniacs tend to be top priority targets

Mutants, both flamers and dreg ragers.

dreg ragers in particular are awful if you can't drop them quickly

[chrome pumice]

jesus christ. im switching it to freaking autoguns

at least that shit kills

[trim hemlock]

All Autoguns are at least solid

Columnus 5 is ridiculous

[chrome pumice]

god i love that

[trim hemlock]

But Agri and Graia are OK

[chrome pumice]

kinda CoD ish gun ngl

does sustained fire even affect it?

[trim hemlock]

It does affect bullets 2-4 in a salvo

(And yes, the description reads 2-3, but it’s 2-4)

[chrome pumice]

its hard to tell if it really does work

[trim hemlock]

Go to Psykhanium, shoot a short burst, watch where the buff icon goes from grey to white and back to grey again

Whenever it’s white, it’s working

[chrome pumice]

Ah alrighty then

[trim hemlock]

(Which is not long, because Columnus belches lead at a very high rate of fire)

It’s arguably a better blessing on say, Agri IAG

[chrome pumice]

oh yea it fuckin worked

its busted as shit now

melting ragers.

THANK YA VET

[agile pecan]

So what's the tier list for Veteran Weapon again?? I think all the guides I read is not updated with the current patch

[slate hawk]

Shovel mk3 and plasma gun
But I am very bias

[trim hemlock]

Well, what do these guides tell?

TLDR: Plasma and Columnus 5, and Zarona revolver are ridiculous. Helbro lasguns are probably next in line.

Pick melee to taste

The end of tier list :)

[agile pecan]

I use mainly this for getting weapons
https://www.gamerguides.com/warhammer-40000-darktide/guide/classes/information/dartkide-weapon-tier-list-best-weapons-for-each-class

also this for Curios
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2978264496

and this for getting blessings
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2976031655

[agile pecan]

understood

[slate hawk]

I like it when shovel go bonk, simple as

[slate hawk]

I want to like the helbro but it's long pull out time is a turn off

[timid otter]

These guides are outdated

They are pre-patch 13

[trim hemlock]

They're... not?

That's not to say they are absolutely all the knowledge one will need in either the matter of weapon or curio properties/blessings, but they are OK from the looks of it

[trim hemlock]

I wouldn't use the first link you shared

It's... arguably a bad reference all-round

[muted knot]

If you use mk1 or MK2 you won't be switching your weapon often since the bayonet is just so god damn good

[slate hawk]

I've heard that the bayonet is good, is it only the mk1 & mk2 that have the good melee?

[trim hemlock]

Correct

[slate hawk]

Huh

[trim hemlock]

Helbro 3 has the worse bayonet

[slate hawk]

Might have to give them a playtest again

[trim hemlock]

it's not unusable, just somewhat clunky and not as responsive as 1/2

and you can't do a bayonet charge with it

[tiny summit]

That's what the bayonet is for. To not have to swap

[slate hawk]

This is the worst crime

[fleet thicket]

guys

is this salvagble?

[trim hemlock]

Yeah. Change perks to preference

[fleet thicket]

thrust on shovel though?

[trim hemlock]

You can one shot Crushers with it, if you make a setup for it

[shrewd sable]

you can one shot even without thrust im p sure

but thrust and decimator isnt bad imo

[fleet thicket]

okay

whats hte perks ?

flak maniac?

[trim hemlock]

I don’t know

[fleet thicket]

carapace/flak?

[trim hemlock]

Go to Psykhanium, see what you need

[shrewd sable]

i think you need maniac for one shotting mutants and others, but u will need to test

[fleet thicket]

the old shovel you went uncannny decimator

these new ones

i dont know

[fleet thicket]

so i think for mark 3

you can go unncanny and decimtator as well

cuz the special recovers so goddam fast

but if you dont kill with mark 7

the recovery can get you killed

so thrust is a must i think

[trim hemlock]

Nothing is a must IMO

You can specialise in different things

[shrewd sable]

with thrust and the one that gives u more power on your first swing (forgot the name) you can one shot crushers without any sort of other ability iirc

like no need for combat ability activation or marking them with the mark keystone etc

but i'm sure theres more optimized ways

[fleet thicket]

Decimator is a must though

You gonna need horde clear with these

[shrewd sable]

yea no decimator makes horde clear feel like shit

[fleet thicket]

?

What you mean ?

[trim hemlock]

Decimator can as well be replaced by Skullcrusher (which will only be worse if you’re up against something that can’t be staggered)

[shrewd sable]

not having decimator makes horde clear feel like shit

[trim hemlock]

Or paired with it for supreme crowd clear

[fleet thicket]

Oh okay

[frank ether]

I don't think fold shovels are ideal for horde clear regardless

[shrewd sable]

"yea, no decimator" how it should be read (forgot comma)

[frank ether]

deci-skullcrusher is fun on standard shovel

[fleet thicket]

Thats true

[frank ether]

or deci-uncanny

[fleet thicket]

But you see I was gonna say uncanny IS A MUST

[frank ether]

the thing is normal shovel can stack deci and carry it over to a crusher nearby

[fleet thicket]

On the standard shovel

[frank ether]

but fold shovel can't

[fleet thicket]

God I hate ragers

[frank ether]

because folding it will expire your decimator stacks

[fleet thicket]

With standard shovel it's special is so short range compared to antax

Combat axe

[frank ether]

standard shovel can still hit crushers for like 1000+ crits lol

[fleet thicket]

And they got the same special

[frank ether]

yeah its a bit finnicky

but still good to have

you dont really use that outside of like rager/mutie anyway

[fleet thicket]

Rager are really fucked with standard shovel always die to them cuz I miss manage the range the special hits

That's why I run it with hellbore