veteran-class

[tribal moat]

no one charges, just blast

[torn inlet]

pfft untrue

[tribal moat]

ok

[torn inlet]

also next left click takes out the remaining 1/4th health

[terse idol]

I mean folks have timed

That uncharged shots are still faster than charged

At TTK

[torn inlet]

that assumes you aren't pre charging, the enemy stays still and also you have higher buffs. also asl you said, you can line up wallhack shots lol

I do love primary fire, don't get me wrong

I even maximize with my preferred blessing, blaze away, chain PF... but I will alt fire as appropriate

chain primary fire into 2x alt fire is really deadly

3x PF 2x Alt fire is ideal when there's bigger targets around that are at medium to longer range

that maximizes both blaze away and gets hot

[terse idol]

why even risk blowing up doe?

When you can just spam your 7 or 8 shots

[torn inlet]

git gud.

[terse idol]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitten-kitty-yeet-funny-gif-21938191

[torn inlet]

lol

self explosion is literally a skill issue

hypothetically you could macro your fire too

[terse idol]

And this is why the pgun is fool proof

Just

[torn inlet]

and remove player bias for self implosion

[terse idol]

Choose to never explode

Use the best dps you got

Uncharged shots

and a few charged shots for the few gunners behind cover or whatever

[torn inlet]

nah you underestimate fools. they'll find a way to rek themselves

i don't actually always primary fire

sometimes its nice to precharge a shot for going around corners

or as you said, wall hax

[terse idol]

Why would I preshoot a corner that I don't know what's around it

URgh anyways

[torn inlet]

lol you almost always know what's around corners, or come to expect spawns

or idk, going down elevators

or just use wall hax

you'll always know then

[terse idol]

uh

No?

Wallhax?

What the

[torn inlet]

Have you never heard the term or do you just not put 2+2 with bio optic targetting + PG cleave going through walls?

[terse idol]

I'm not using Exe with pgun

[torn inlet]

it doesn't require exe

actually, technically doesn't even require any talent points yourself. other players can have bio optic targetting

[terse idol]

I'm just struggling to see what you mean by saying "wallhax"

how do you see around the corner

Why are you pre-shooting around the corner

[torn inlet]

You can see enemies through walls.

[terse idol]

With what

[torn inlet]

PG can damage through walls

[tribal moat]

btw, is there a way to blast your infantry gun without that harsh recoil/sway? I saw some YouTube footage with Mk.5 where people just blast it as a pinpoint laser gun

[terse idol]

Are you saying

You pre-tag

An enemy

That moves behind a wall

[torn inlet]

No

You've genuinely never used bio optics before?

[tribal moat]

Stop this useless convo pls

[terse idol]

How do you see an enemy behind a wall

[torn inlet]

ever?

or seen it used?

I'm assuming you're being genuine here

[terse idol]

You're taling about the Exe side node

That lets you see all enemies through walls

and lets your allies see them through walls too

I don't use exe on my pgun

[torn inlet]

Right, which is why i say technicallyy you don't need any talent points

[terse idol]

I dont use

Exe

🥹

[torn inlet]

put 2 and 2 together here

[terse idol]

on my pgun

[terse idol]

Uh

Crouch, ADS

And shoot

and move your mouse down to control the recoil a tiny bit and it's pretty accurate

[tribal moat]

imagine use exe that lasts 5 sec to see through wall

[terse idol]

depends abit on your stability too

On your ciag

or whatever infantry autogun you're using

[torn inlet]

See through wall. Shoot through wall --> wall hax

[tribal moat]

i mean

[terse idol]

Just say you're using exe

[tribal moat]

it's jumpy af really

[terse idol]

Post ciag

Post ye guun

[tribal moat]

stab is around 65

[terse idol]

Or like

Yeah that's low

I mean

Run like

Executioners stance

Crouch

Shoot lasers

[tribal moat]

i dont use exec

[terse idol]

Then you'll have to settle for low stability

Or err

[tribal moat]

man this gun is 520+ as is..

[terse idol]

I mean I should say you should aim for a higher stability

Uhh

Are you level 30

[tribal moat]

lol

[terse idol]

you want base 560 modifier guns

brooo

[torn inlet]

that's final, not base.

[terse idol]

Oh

Then if you dont want to use exe

Get an infantry autogun with higher stability

[torn inlet]

the ilevel is the rating number on the right here.

[terse idol]

I know

I don't use total level I only look at modifier

which woops I should have asked the modifier number

[tribal moat]

np

[torn inlet]

anyway. there's lots of situations where you already know what's going to spawn or know to expect spawns

If you don't expect enemies on the other side of an elevator / door, especially if you hear them thumping... idk how bad your memory is

[terse idol]

[torn inlet]

maybe you've been playing ogryn too long

there are times where you should pre charge

at worst you lose out on some heat

[terse idol]

Okay youre gonna throw ad hominems that's okay, I'll let you play how you like

[torn inlet]

best case you one shot something worth shooting

lol its just facts. you don't know that a spawn is incoming? that's a memory issue

unless you're a total noob that's never played before, which is fair... but that shouldn't apply to those that are level 30+ and should know by now that.. yes there are lots of spawns around the corner

or through the gate. door. chainlink fence. elevator

[terse idol]

You know only some locations have pre set spawns eh? The spawn door isn't gonna always spawn a pox burster all the time

Nor is a fence jump gonna spawn the same scab or dredge gunner

[torn inlet]

see above, at worst, you lose out on some heat... and if there are no enemies it just cools anyway

[terse idol]

You're gambling and that's okay

[torn inlet]

cause the risk is low and the cost is negligible

payout is great

then again there are corridors where its almost guaranteed packed full of enemies to cleave through after the elevator door opens

sometimes its a low risk gamble other times, come on. its practically guaranteed

never charging is dumb. charge appropriately. primary fire appropriately

[tiny summit]

Download the crosshair mod and turn on crosshairs while ADS. Autogun cone of fire and iron sights are very disconnected while the trigger is being held.

[stable socket]

i feel like the best use of plasma gun charged shot is probably when you see a bajillion crushers/maulers that haven't noticed you, and you want to dish out as much frontloaded damage as you can before they aggro and start heading your way

or if you have very little ammo and want to squeeze out a bit more damage (since i think the gun lets you do the charged shot even if you have <9 in the magazine)?

little optimizations like that which you don't need to do because uncharged plasma spam is generally good enough, but are nice to have

[tiny summit]

If it's charge is like the helbore a charged shot is only as powerful as the amount of ammo left in the mag.

[stable socket]

oof

it might be

[frank ether]

helbore charge won't even go full if there isn't enough ammo yeah

you might not notice that fact while shooting it dry due to shock trooper though

[stable socket]

plasma feels oppressively strong - it may not be the best weapon to clutch with but i feel like it's one of the best weapons to keep a run from devolving into "someone needs to clutch" territory

[agile forge]

It can be kinda boring playing alongside somebody who's good with plasma

idk, maybe holding one on the team should increase the number of enemy spawns or something lol

like picking a card that makes the game easier on plate up

[tiny summit]

Exe plasma is funny (for you) because you delete everything before your team sees them

[agile forge]

"oh, you want some mercy? Here, have 30% more customers"

except the customers are nurgle cultists

and they shit on your plates

or something idk the metaphor got away from me a bit

[muted knot]

4 plasma vets auric maelstrom HISTG

[agile forge]

every pixel on your screen is a dreg

[frank ether]

Just goes back to exe's problematic root of being designed in an era where veteran was the designated ranged kill special/elite class

[gusty bison]

Ew exec

[frank ether]

pre-talent rework under the system where each class had a clear cut role exec having that wallhack made sense

[gusty bison]

Ew plasma

XD

[frank ether]

now its goofy and so is plasma

[gusty bison]

Exec is bad unless ur using a fun sucking OP weapon. Then it lets u suck all the fun out of everyone else's game too.

Joy

[frank ether]

I would much rather have a 3 talent sink that passively gives me the damage for my breakpoints over exec lmao

[frank ether]

I think part of that problem has to do with the 5 second reset and its all or nothing nature

[gusty bison]

Yea. But also the other problem is the benefits are...

[frank ether]

if u got a more juiced gun with better pen and faster TTK ofc things will go more smoothly

[gusty bison]

Low

[frank ether]

yea

and its a tunnel vision playstyle

[gusty bison]

Plasma doesnt even benefit much from the damage

[frank ether]

like no weapon swap allowed

during exe

[gusty bison]

It just benefits from being able to wallbang everything since its the only gun that can wallbang

[torn inlet]

nah, it works regardless. however its almost never out of ammo in practice

[gusty bison]

Yep

[torn inlet]

that is very true, but also as i said earlier, an example, of a gun that doesn’t need bis god tier to wreck face

[gusty bison]

Uh

No gun needs bis god tier to wreck face

[agile forge]

Like, everything about veteran feels terrible for me tbh

but it's op

I can't play it too much

[frank ether]

now that I spent 2 months talking about how voc is a symptom and not the root cause of vet build diversity

[gusty bison]

Try headhunter vet

Quite fun

[frank ether]

I can finally wait in peace as voc gets nerfed and exec/infil receives zero changes lmao

[gusty bison]

Or knife + Laspis vet

[agile forge]

Ok, just let me bring out my spreadsheet matrix to figure out which talents I need to make it work lol

[gusty bison]

Frankly its also the node before voc

[agile forge]

meanwhile ogryn is like "am I heavying? am I focusing on my gun? do I do light attacks at all? k."

[torn inlet]

wait did they remove the fire shotgun ability to wallbang

[gusty bison]

Yes

[torn inlet]

i forget

[frank ether]

grenade regen tax is part of the issue and also confirmed kill is just as much of a tax aswell

[agile forge]

I hate veteran talent trees so much

[gusty bison]

It doesnt wallbang now. Just pierces enemies

[agile forge]

just not fun to build on

[gusty bison]

I dont think CK is a tax

[agile forge]

at all

[gusty bison]

90% of my builds dont touch it

[torn inlet]

you’d be surprised how many people in here act like they do

[frank ether]

you know I took the piss when someone suggested maybe confirmed kill should be an exec node

but it would balance voc

a lot of the complaints people have of voc spam happen cause you just spam it back to back

[agile forge]

Maybe give VoC the cooldown that the res version already has

and remove the cooldown lengthening from the res node

just make it a plain node

[frank ether]

nah this isn't zealot

we don't play a class with each keystone having some form of cd reduction on ultimate

we have a single one thats really cracked instead

[agile forge]

tbf

the crit one is the cracked one for zealot

the martyrdom one is terrible

and the backstab one... exists I guess

makes stealth build more viable at least

[frank ether]

It is very cracked yes

[agile forge]

but I couldn't imagine playing any flavour of zealot without crit cdr

[frank ether]

but it doesnt matter

they get some form of cd reduction

[gusty bison]

Tbf its cos vet has too much "must picks"

[agile forge]

and it makes me really want to make all my zealots blazing piety too

[frank ether]

regardless of keystone choice

[agile forge]

exactly - and some of them are cryptically conditional "must picks" too

[frank ether]

vet isnt made like that

[gusty bison]

Survivalist
VoC
Grenade Regen
Ability CD regen

[frank ether]

so vet can't follow the same formula

[agile forge]

like elite damage, ogryn damage,

headshot damage

[gusty bison]

Mhm

[agile forge]

it's all dependent on what your weapon is

and you need to spreadsheet that shit

and like fuck that

[gusty bison]

Tbf though

As a result vet has the most consistent performance among all classes

[frank ether]

Its true

it has a very boring build path

[gusty bison]

You arent waiting for X buff or Y condition to trigger

[frank ether]

but at least its a very consistent / well balanced class

[gusty bison]

You just get ur breakpoints

[frank ether]

as in well balanced split of power

[agile forge]

That's not necessarily a successful game design for me though

like, I am a big fan of disrupt destiny

because it's crazy to work with

[frank ether]

well tbh you do if you go off the beaten path

[agile forge]

The whole gunker SG/DD/Assail build is so much more fun than anything veteran can offer, for me at least

[frank ether]

like haha look at

sharpshooter vet

and what abomination it has become

[gusty bison]

Oh tru but this is rare

[frank ether]

exec/mf lmao

condition over condition over condition over condition

[gusty bison]

Tbf this is also like

[gusty bison]

Zealot

Zealot is a pile of conditions

[frank ether]

oh don't weapon swap, don't move if you haven't headshot killed in 3 seconds, don't forget to get a ranged kill every 5 seconds, oop time your reload or exec will expire, be a jojo stance user so you can dodge the teammate ogryn blocking your shots

zealot condition is

have 25 things die around you

and oh hit things and get crits so you can charge more

throwing knife condition what was it? get elite kill? How difficult

[gusty bison]

Quite difficult when ur team has a plasma vet

[frank ether]

oh and my favourite is ''momentum bad'' because moving in darktide is a difficult task for the movement class apparently

[gusty bison]

Momentum is just inconsistent

Cos its on sometimes, off the other times

[frank ether]

the guys argument was

weapon spec is superior

[gusty bison]

And its kinda hard to control when it is on

I mean

He's not wrong

But its a stupid argument

[frank ether]

It is stupid and so are most zealot arguments

they get the easiest, simplest keystones

[gusty bison]

Apart from marty they are kinda inconsistent

They require minimal effort ye

[frank ether]

minimal?

no effort

you play the game, as you otherwise would

[white minnow]

ogryn sitting in the corner

[frank ether]

and have very high keystone uptime

its only matyrdom that breaks this trend

but guess what

matyrdom players dying is their normal gameplay

anyways

so they are also not putting any effort lmao

matyrdom is so popular even veterans are playing it

[gusty bison]

The main thing about the zea keystones is no amount of effort makes them more consistent

[agile forge]

Takes too long to stack it imo

Decent design

but I always find myself wanting piety instead

[gusty bison]

But yea wep spec though is a little effort for a lot of consistency

And thats kinda valuable

Wep spec turns on exactly when you want it, and is easy to keep going

[torn inlet]

what does this mean

[agile forge]

Psyker keystone that promotes very unstable gameplay

Huge power spike but you have to keep killing the targets it marks for you

if you can maintain it, you're a damage god

[tiny summit]

Seeing 3 wound curio ogryns

[torn inlet]

ah i haven’t kept up with psyker

[agile forge]

It's really well designed now imo

I play all staves apart from Surge and also gun psyker

gun psyker feels so much more fun to me than any veteran build I've tried

nothing at all like the half-arsed implementation it had pre-13

[frank ether]

which is especially hilarious given how good ogryn scales with hp or toughness

and you even get a free extra wound as oggy no?

matyrdom vets more funny though

mfs on 150 hp with 5 wounds

[tiny summit]

Ogryns yea have 3 wounds at base

Wound psykers

[frank ether]

aka ''I'm finna blow up at every single wave''

[frank ether]

oh my god

I'm stealing that

[tiny summit]

You're welcome

[toxic leaf]

ogryn keystones other than burst override are the most free, you literally dont do anything for fnp and for hh, you just heavy attack!

[agile forge]

HH expires quite quickly though

if you pull out a ranged weapon it's very easy to lose your stack

if you aren't running the IIIb build which actually takes the lights-refresh node fori t

*it

[toxic leaf]

yea but it stacks up easily for what you're doing

[agile forge]

It also warps your kit

it makes you want to favour weapons with good heavy attacks

[toxic leaf]

any histg game, hh is free because you're just doing it

[agile forge]

(that is to say anything that's not a bull butcher)

[toxic leaf]

ogryns on the left side are already heavy attack because of the nodes though

[agile forge]

if I swap to my kickback I find that I can fire a shot but if I try to reload it I'll frequently lose HH before I can smack something else

true

again apart from IIIb

IIIb does 5 heavies then all lights until you need the toughness or until something tough shows up

multiple toughies really

[toxic leaf]

its a near minimal effort keystone for effect, in a conversation about keystones that are free

and then fnp literally is free

[agile forge]

eh, sometimes FNP makes you push things

but yeah that's about it

[toxic leaf]

only if you take the node

[agile forge]

the node helps imo

but it's only a benefit

[toxic leaf]

i take it, its true

[agile forge]

it's never a detriment

[toxic leaf]

vet keystones are micro, unless you keybind mark to shoot

and be that guy

nobody likes that guy

[agile forge]

I constantly mark anyway (but independently from shooting)

you don't want to stick an 8 stack on something

and then swap to a 1 stack on something els

before the first thing dies

[toxic leaf]

ABM. always be marking

its almost free

[agile forge]

imo the mark keystone is pretty much free

yeah

Marking is the most powerful tool that every reject has

[toxic leaf]

weapon specialist is definitely not, nor os marksman focus

[agile forge]

it's a single-target killer

The real free keystone is blazing piety

uh and enhanced psychinetics

those two

[toxic leaf]

is that the zealot crit thing

[agile forge]

yeah

[toxic leaf]

yea

[agile forge]

25 things die near you and you get free crit

[toxic leaf]

the node after is melee crits count lol

[agile forge]

it's free so long as you're not playing like low intensity sedition

you don't even have to kill the karkers yourself

[sonic marlin]

damn, both blessings are lvl 4, wish it was better overall

are those even the ones you want on it?

I'm aware the other revolver is better

[torn inlet]

garbage blessings.

collector only

glory hunter isn’t bad in a vacuum, but you want more direct damage

[slow spade]

Does the Quickdraw even have crit blessings?

[hoary horizon]

Ulgo like you veterans. You want Ulgo to draw you?

[sonic marlin]

this game made me feel like im on crack

so many good moments

[hoary horizon]

Happy to hear boss

[sonic marlin]

I finally need this mod

[umbral scaffold]

thinking about this to run with revolver+chainsword

[little ledge]

any smoke grenade builds that anyone can recommend?

[sonic marlin]

why would you want to use smoke nades

[hoary horizon]

Ulgo learn that is because section where you defend. Shooters not shoot if they not see you

[late hatch]

https://tenor.com/view/smoke-gif-17213906581445201864

[sonic marlin]

smh almost

really need a different melee

[hoary horizon]

Use chainsword. Make funny sound

[late hatch]

and take rev it up for the motorbike roleplay

[sonic marlin]

I need something that deals with hordes but can be used as a 2-3 shot thingy for the big ones and isn't a power sword, since I hate having to power up for hordes

[late hatch]

grenade build

just keep spamming out shredders

[sonic marlin]

hell no

i like meleeing

i just don't wanna swing 4 times and power up and again

[gaunt delta]

-hordes
-and big ones
-and not power sword
That’s a lot to ask, I think

[sonic marlin]

just played with this guy and he would literally not use his gun at all during the game, i got caught by a quite far away and he just ran to me to melee it instead of shooting it

[sonic marlin]

what if i say please

[midnight totem]

So chainsword?

[sonic marlin]

hopefully

which one

[midnight totem]

Both work

I prefer xg13

[sonic marlin]

whats the setup

[gusty bison]

Melee stronk

[midnight totem]

One cleave blessing, bloodletter as other blessing

[sonic marlin]

yeah cool, i just lost 80% of my hp

[gusty bison]

In all seriousness weird choice of build for melee only o.O

[tiny summit]

Yea sure

[midnight totem]

Maniac/flak or elite/flak or elite/maniac

[tiny summit]

Go into grinder

[tall torrent]

Combat axe

[sonic marlin]

which cleave blessing

[coarse wind]

Double ammo lasgun build is op.

[tall torrent]

Smoke + laspistol + combat axe

[midnight totem]

I have savage sweep on mine but wrath should be preferable

[gusty bison]

Ehhh

I wouldnt call it OP

Considering most ranged weapons on vet are ammo neutral

[tiny summit]

I personally don't bother with focus target unless I'm getting at least 1 other node

[little ledge]

thx

[gusty bison]

And the lasguns are worse than ur melee weapon into chaff horde anyway so u kinda use them for shooters/elites/specials

[sonic marlin]

doesn't really seem to work for the big ones

guess i'm stuck with power sword

[midnight totem]

You mean crushers?

[sonic marlin]

yeah

[midnight totem]

It'll take atleast two revs, but it'll get there

[gusty bison]

Crushers take 2 revs yea

[midnight totem]

Otherwise I advise power sword and knife

[gusty bison]

Or shovel

Or dclaw

Or combat axe

[midnight totem]

Dclaw for crushers?

[gusty bison]

Parry

[midnight totem]

I mean you can survive them, sure

[gusty bison]

Basically stack crit and use them crits to get through

Helps that you can take crits give brittleness

[sonic marlin]

i really like how rashad deals with crushers

its just satisfying

also 2 shot if crit

[midnight totem]

You know, I have an easier time dealing with bulwark with a chainsword then powersword

[sonic marlin]

how so

[midnight totem]

Power sword needs to aim for the head

Can be hard since when you flank a bulwark it's always at an awkward angle

[sonic marlin]

psword mk6 has a stab attack

[midnight totem]

For bulwark I just Rev, dodge, heavy swing and they usually die outright

[hidden torrent]

For everything but poxwalkers I use a plasma gun, seems to work pretty well

[sonic marlin]

[rain badger]

The finesse and spamming heavies into their head is

[gusty bison]

Ew plasma

XD

[hollow ibex]

i bring the plasma exclusively to kill poxwalkers and groaners

[hidden torrent]

I liked the plasma before it was good

[sonic marlin]

mm yeah i should just use plasma and some melee thats best for hordes

[rain badger]

That’s why you funnel poxwalkers down a hallway and kill 20+ in one plasma shot

[hidden torrent]

True, I got over a million damage like that

[tall torrent]

CS4 L1 is direct overhead

[hidden torrent]

Honestly I use plasma because of how fast I can fire after switching, it's good for killing specials and disablers while fighting a horde, even while surrounded

[slow spade]

Real plasma mains use 3x hp curios when running plasma 😎

[sonic marlin]

sure but don't you WS bulwarks? Why does l1 matter

[tall torrent]

Rev L1 is still overhead
With bloodletter u can kill bulwark in one hit

[hidden torrent]

Real plasma mains only play Auric Maelstrom

[sonic marlin]

so cs4 is better than cs13? Also for hordes is it light spam?

[hidden torrent]

Man, I thought CS:2 Just came out, time is moving faster than I thought

[sonic marlin]

I thought Antax was supposed to be the best after rashad, it feels like ass

hows this one, modifiers wise, just pretend i get perfect stuff from hadron

[tender lynx]

by the emperor you have served well

damnation high intensity

[tall torrent]

Some people like CS13g but I really think currently CS4 is miles above 13g

[tall torrent]

Achlys has an easier time hitting breakpoints

Thrust + BM for Achlys not bad

[hoary horizon]

Ulgo want know. Why veteran always angry?

Ulgo not mind but why always angry?

[torn inlet]

same. i have pgs built from before the updates to that effect too

[rare prawn]

what are considered to be the best blessings to have on power sword ?

[torn inlet]

nah 3x +3 stamina curios

[magic trout]

Cycling and rampage

[hollow ibex]

lol no

if you see a weapon with brutal momentum, it's pretty much always BIS

powersword has brutal momentum

so obviously cycler is a must-have, and the second blessing slot should go to brutal momentum or sunder

anything else is worse

[hoary horizon]

Ulgo disagree. But Ulgo understand. Ogryns should have cleaving. Not little ones. We see all of horde from hight- hight- tallness.

[sonic marlin]

63% dmg too bad?

[hidden torrent]

Yes

[hollow ibex]

damage super important

[hidden torrent]

All the stats are decently important, as long as everything is above 70 I'd keep

[sonic marlin]

so only dumpstat is mobility

[hidden torrent]

If you like not moving

But yes

[sonic marlin]

well you can't have everything maxed

or is some other stat not important?

[hidden torrent]

Maxed no, but high yes

My ps lowest Stat is mobility at 69

Which is good enough for me

Only took like 8 mil

[sonic marlin]

ive been using this mk6 so far, it works ig

probably should switch unarmored

[hidden torrent]

Imo cleave is the dump stat if you have power cycler, long as it's above 60, I know I'll start a riot with that though

But it works very well for me

Unarmored isn't really needed, I'd put maniacs on it

Considering you can stun ragers with it

But I'm an Ogryn main, so what do I know

[agile forge]

Veterans typically have very tight stat requirements when it comes to a combat axe

It is very hard - but possible - to make one that will consistently cut through every kind of non-special/elite head and keep going

It is so much easier to make a good one on psyker or zealot

Can't speak for melee veteran builds

But for typical shooty vets without any melee boosting skills you need all the relevant modifiers to be very near to 80

[spring spindle]

Saw someone yesterday mag dumping a recon lasgun into a mauler

Sir that’s like 30% of your ammo wasted stop

[sonic marlin]

yeah i know the reqs

[livid warren]

Is this a mod?

[magic trout]

Renamer mod still works?

[hollow ibex]

Yes

[magic trout]

Its nice to see an Onimusha fan ⚔️

[terse idol]

Isn't carapace more important?

I guess the question is does Starcry have the crusher BP

[hidden torrent]

Carapace? I suppose not for me since I use Krak and plasma

[terse idol]

On a powerrr sword

Well also Imo Krak with plasma isn't the bes5

[sonic marlin]

noo way someone finally knows the name

I've been using onimusha melee names for years

[sonic marlin]

for 2 shots? yes I do

I think

[magic trout]

We are very few 😅

[sonic marlin]

I played demon siege like 15 times lol

[sonic marlin]

yes, weapon customization and renaming mod

[magic trout]

I have finished that game only 4 times, my favorite is Dawn of Dreams.

[magic trout]

Are you using MT plugin?
I cant after the last update of Darktide

[sonic marlin]

Yes

works fine for me

I think you need to organize ur mods, I have a mod that does it for me tho

[magic trout]

I have only 3 mods.
Colored crosshair
Customization mod
MT plugin
In that order and if i have MT plugin installed i get a LOT of disconections (error 2014)

[sonic marlin]

oh yeah I get that stuff often, various errors and crashes

but I got like 70 mods

[mystic laurel]

how do I find and install these mods? having better aiming reticles sounds dope

[hollow ibex]

Nexus and modding discord

[wanton dawn]

I easily have other 40

Even some i rewrited

[mystic laurel]

how do I find the modding discord for darktide?

[inland orchid]

should be in #📌communities

just a lil bit of scrolling up and you'll find it

[tall torrent]

Pretty sure Psyker doesn’t even get the same breakpoints as veteran/zealot when ur comes to combat axe

[agile forge]

Depends on keystone I think

and warp rider etc

Psyker is highly variable

With disrupt destiny you can make a lot of your shit into oneshots

of course then you're reliant on maintaining disrupt destiny

[tall torrent]

So yea, less consistent

Veteran gets the breakpoints all the time

Haven’t tinkered with combat axe for zealot

Sustained assault prob needed tho

[agile forge]

My own rashad doesn't

because it's not rolled high enough

it gets stuck on bruiser heads

[tall torrent]

What’s ur roll

[agile forge]

can't remember now

I just know it's not functional for me

and I want one that is

because bored with psword

Let me log in and find it

give me a couple of minutes

[slow spade]

Clearly they just need psword to be always powered

[tall torrent]

Veteran does have pretty high requirement for combat axe roll but once u get it it’s essentially the overall best melee available

[inland orchid]

i like my funny devil claw

[agile forge]

I hate the caxe design so much and I rant about it enough lol

[inland orchid]

it helps me cope with my lack of weeves against monsters and overheads

[tall torrent]

Blame the crafting system lolol

[wanton dawn]

Check #📌communities

[agile forge]

Old bromentum at least meant it wasn't so binary

but now it's like "is it perfect? if it isn't it's shit"

Bromentum on single target weapons is a mistake

[tall torrent]

No

You can use non-perfect combat axe

It just means more talent point investments to get breakpoints

[wanton dawn]

Yes

[agile forge]

it was a while since I last used it

it's just bad blessings and perks

[tall torrent]

Oh no headtaker yea

[agile forge]

I think I had a godroll with stats and tried to copium it

but there's no way I can make it work

[wanton dawn]

Still not good enough for scab bruiser without talent

I think you need a 80/80/79 for that

[tall torrent]

Although tbh that axe is pretty far from “non-perfect”

[agile forge]

The modifiers would be good enough right?

If the perks and blessings weren't shit

or is it also too low

[tall torrent]

Perks & blessings matter more

[agile forge]

I mean, I'm used to a good enough roll being like 70+ in the important areas

which is awkward enough to get anyway

but 76/80/80/80 should really be good enough for a weapon to work

this is my problem with it

it's like, if you have the weapon already, it's great and there's no problem

if you don't, then fuck you lol

[tall torrent]

You need better perks & blessings that’s all

[wanton dawn]

Sure, but scab bruiser on rashad are the worsz

At least it is not pen dependent

Ill stick to ps6

[agile forge]

Ok well that's a little better

so just waiting for the locks to be removed

forever

[tall torrent]

I use this

[agile forge]

Huh, you don't have flak

does it work on dreg bruiser heads?

[tall torrent]

You don’t need flak for Dreg bruiser 1HS

I run 30% weakpoint and 10% melee dmg

Flak would be nice but carapace is not bad

Gives me 3 overhead on crushers

[agile forge]

Maybe I should try with a melee spec with it but I feel like lacking headtaker/decimator is enough to fuck it up

[tall torrent]

Decimator is not as good as headtaker

[agile forge]

I like carapace damage on caxes too, the anti-crusher part of it is important

it's meant to be an armour piercing weapon

[agile forge]

well tell that to hadron

[tall torrent]

[agile forge]

toaster bitch that she is

[tall torrent]

Idk how but I recently have just been rolling 540+ with good perks & blessings

[agile forge]

She's really good to me on my other classes to be fair

I think she's offended by the hideously stupid name I gave to my vet

[wanton dawn]

Fun fact: with thunderous rashad has easier 2 shot on rager if you run serrated blade

[agile forge]

"Kraggakraggakragga" like seriously fuck you krags

I deserve all the shit rolls I get on my vet

My Psyker got called Kragneto and he gets all the godrolls he wants

[tall torrent]

Normal Rashad doesn’t even hit 2 hit ragers I think, unless you somehow have unarmored + flak + BM + headtaker

Then u can prob 2 hit scab rager

Dreg is really hard to bring it over from 3 to 2

[wanton dawn]

Because serrated allow you to hit 8 stacks before 2nd hit

[tall torrent]

Thunderous is not great for combat axe tho

[wanton dawn]

Thunderous bleed is a meme

[tall torrent]

I might one day try a BM + thrust achlys for trolling

[wanton dawn]

Have you seen my 150 crushers video ?

[tall torrent]

Yea

They’ll prob patch it tho

They patched onslaught stacking dot

[wanton dawn]

Next week probably

Dont care, still better than youtubers

[tall torrent]

I just hope they fix the various clipping issues

I don’t even count on them ever changing crafting locks now

[wanton dawn]

Wext neek

[tall torrent]

U sure next week?

[idle swallow]

May be the copium talking

[slow spade]

Next week they're adding more locks 💪

[atomic zephyr]

loadout locks
you can change three out of the five slots for all your equipment, the other two are stuck there forever

[wanton dawn]

Kewt neex

[finite imp]

[sonic marlin]

hell yeah

[finite imp]

Devs announce any new shit with darktide? no? ok

Live service my ass

[frank ether]

basically all my friends rn lmao

[tiny summit]

I would play it more but gachas and tekken

[hollow ibex]

Wdym we get shop rotations every two weeks

[hollow ibex]

Almost me, tried helldivers and hated it

[flint onyx]

Horde music is coming back next patch

Or ambush? Whichever they removed

[tiny summit]

Helldivers 2 being primarily 3rd person and having more immersive first person animations than other AAA fps'

[hollow ibex]

Ambush yeah

[hollow ibex]

Man I really hated the movement and aiming

And my very first match was solo for some reason

Was very boring and annoying

[elder fiber]

yeah same

[hollow ibex]

Wandering around the map with a character that skipped leg day

Fuuun

[tiny summit]

I like the aiming and moving

Some actual weight

[elder fiber]

yeah that kinda thing is v subjective

[hollow ibex]

I might be biased because warframe ruined third person movement for me

[tiny summit]

Like Killzone 2. Very heavy and weighty. I love how it feels, other people hate it

[hollow ibex]

After warframe movement in every third person shooter feels bad lol

[tiny summit]

Well warframe is a completely different pace being a space ninja vs well...literally a grunt in helldivers

[hollow ibex]

Yah ok

Ik

[flint onyx]

I think my veteran is bugged, I have yet to see a +3 stamina curio in the shop

[tiny summit]

With rng, that luck doesn't surprise me

[flint onyx]

My psyker has like 4

[somber owl]

What’s the modifier threshold to see a stam 3 anyways

[tiny summit]

Don't think a 17% toughness has appeared for my ogryn yet. Yet my other classes have several

[flint onyx]

76 for it to be an actual +3

[somber owl]

wdym by actual

[flint onyx]

75 also shows as +3 but it's actually only +2 in game, don't ask me why

[somber owl]

Damn, good to know

That’s weird

[old quail]

i am blessed that all my stam curios are 76 rated

[somber owl]

Now I’m nervous that my +3 stamina is a fake

gotta check

[somber owl]

Aren’t health curios the best for ogryn? I see toughness being good but the value you get from %hp on ogryn is good no?

[zealous thunder]

Both are solid

[tiny summit]

HP is good because it scales very well with your HP pool. Toughness is also good because 1 heavy attack restores tons of toughness

[zealous thunder]

Stamina and Wounds are useless however, at least in my opinion

[somber owl]

I had a friend telling me that if I’m not running 3x health curios on ogryn I’m trolling lol

[tiny summit]

Nah he dumb.

[flint onyx]

Depends on your playstyle I guess

[zealous thunder]

He big dumb

[somber owl]

ogryn main so factual

[flint onyx]

I use toughness and don't have problems

[zealous thunder]

I prefer toughness myself, cause i usually take a beating from ranged attacks

[tiny summit]

Toughness and health are fine. HP I guess you could argue is the most value because of your base HP to scale off of and base DR. But you know what helps health going down? Toughness...

[somber owl]

Ogryns the last character I leveled to full so I’m still tryna figure him out

He’s got so much toughness regen

[tiny summit]

Most smooth leveling experience was ogryn.

[somber owl]

most fun imo too

[tiny summit]

Played normal damn quick play at like 20

[frank ether]

no bugs, you're experiencing player retention

hope you feel like sticking around

[zealous thunder]

Ogryn is probably the easiest to get into, brute force is fun

[hollow ibex]

Same. The base is just so overturned

[flint onyx]

I do, because the gameplay is fun

[somber owl]

psyker doesn’t really get the best use of his staffs till you start rolling good ones, zealot is kinda scattershot as to what you want to do with him as you level, vet is a bit underwhelming till 30, but ogryn was just consistently fun

At least that’s my experience

[flint onyx]

Psyker leveling is easy, if you want to make it not fun for the rest of your team. Spam assail

[tiny summit]

Trauma definitely felt like the worst thing ever leveling for me.

[frank ether]

dont really need a weapon to level psyker

[flint onyx]

Using trauma was my first time blowing myself up and gave me ptsd for a few days. Only used guns until I picked up a staff again later

Now trauma is my favorite

[keen sedge]

is grenade tinkerer good with frag or no?

[midnight totem]

Yes

[slow spade]

Yes

[hollow ibex]

Frags are prob the best nade for it actually

[slow spade]

It increases AOE

[frank ether]

Its just

meaningless for anything else

[slow spade]

Frags can do some decent damage with upgrades like grenade tinkerer

Ignore the mauler

[frank ether]

even on frags unless you're going down middle path with fireteam I wouldn't

[slow spade]

Indeed

I had to sacrifice a lot to get grenade tinkerer

[midnight totem]

I usually run fire team so no problem

[frank ether]

then you get it on the way anyway

[slow spade]

Ah yeah I was running survivalist

So it was a 2 point stretch to get it

[frank ether]

2 points to tinkerer

2 points to nade regen

not worth the tax hell

[hollow ibex]

Well nade regen is usually on the way anyway

[frank ether]

only if you're playing voc

[midnight totem]

Oh you're running executioner

[frank ether]

which is why everyone is playing voc

not entirely but its big part of why

efficient pathing

[midnight totem]

Sure just take the grenade regen instead

[hollow ibex]

I’m always using voc yes

[flint onyx]

First +3 and then it's a fake one, what a twisted sense of humor

[zealous wyvern]

do both

multitasking

[bitter turtle]

tfw cant use deadshot on my laspistol because want to do infiltrate

https://i.gyazo.com/f7d2c257860068ccb7d9d56821b67805.png

non voc pathing is suffering

[timid otter]

Just remove low profile

[bitter turtle]

no

its very important

[timid otter]

It has zero synergy.

Its just deflecting aggro to allys.

[bitter turtle]

yeah

good

i do way more than them

so the least they could do is be my meatshield

unironically

lets me solve a lot of problems for them while they're clearing off chaff

[timid otter]

No shit you have an easier time hitting top score if they have to deal with more enemies

[bitter turtle]

lul

i top with voc too

i play stealth very aggressively btw

like a loner zealot :^)

https://i.gyazo.com/a60d68c7e86a88a6a518465527cbd019.png

tfw i killed the most chaff anyway

too

[midnight totem]

What's the other infiltrate node you took here

[timid otter]

Low profile is a troller talent. At first -90 threat reduction might sound great but it's not actually reducing the amount of aggro in the match just redistributing it. It means teammates now have to deal with 33% of the aggro instead of 25%, which makes everyone less likely to survive. Worst of all this ability tends to split up the enemies so that they come from different directions meaning that alloys are more likely to be surrounded. One rationale often put forth with this ability is to use it for reviving but even in that category its terrible. An example could be that the veteran enters stealth and goes to revive an ally, the revive goes through and the 90% threat reduction procs. Now when the situation is most dire for the teammate is when enemies will only target them instead of the veteran leading to surrounds or even worse if the enemies are gunners in which case they immediately get shredded instead of the damage being split evenly. The one niche for this talent is to use it with raking fire and kill things from behind. Instead of picking this for survivability pick other talents that boost survivability.

[bitter turtle]

on overwatch

+1 charge

[midnight totem]

Ah

[bitter turtle]

low profile unironically lets me dispatch the entire backline unmolested

if you use it like an idiot

and just run away

sure

its troll

[frank ether]

yea shit like this is why I keep picking voc

and when some smoof ass mf says nerf voc to fix vet I'm like

yea that will fix vet tree

[midnight totem]

Low Profile is a great talent

[timid otter]

Your literary giving up huge DPS just to sac enemies on teammates

Instead of actually dodging

[muted knot]

Anyone tried to play helldivers today ?

Servers are so fucked again

[frank ether]

friends playing it rn

[bitter turtle]

yeah im sure that's the reason they went down before i even pressed infiltrate once that game

because of low profile

dodging has nothing to do with it anyway

its just much faster to kill the entire backline of flamers/gunners/etc when u arent surrounded by poxwalkers

that's just a fact

esp since laspistol has no cleave

[finite imp]

i have mixed success. Sometimes ill knock out like 5-10 missions in a row with zero problems

[bitter turtle]

and area denial enemies like flamers/bombers are what end runs

[finite imp]

other times i cant even finish one

[timid otter]

Or just controll the field like literary any other veteran without low profile

Use dodges, grenades, melee weapons

[bitter turtle]

or just stealth behind and kill them before they can even puff out a single flame

[midnight totem]

Low profile vets can do that too

[timid otter]

Your coping for an actual skill issue right here.

[bitter turtle]

i have no idea what your problem is lol

[timid otter]

Ive said it before “Your literary giving up huge DPS just to sac enemies on teammates”

[midnight totem]

I believe he once died because he couldn't use his dodges, grenades, melee weapons to get out of an attack and blames a low profile vet

[bitter turtle]

no deadshot just means i cant really kill crushers with laspis

that is what rashad is for

[midnight totem]

I'm not sure why he thinks Infiltration gives up dps

[timid otter]

Low profile is why hes skipping on deadshot

He is losing dps.

[finite imp]

This is definitely a battle you can win. I believe in you bro.

Tell him his build sucks

[bitter turtle]

lose on dps
still outdps everyone 🤔

[midnight totem]

That's not why he's losing out on dps

[bitter turtle]

guess i just prefer the utility

[timid otter]

Because pubs suck.

Topping score isnt hard

[bitter turtle]

i topped score with ppl in here before using nothing but melee

too

[finite imp]

what more would you like? You topped score on damnation in a pve game. What now

[timid otter]

It doesn’t mean that a build choice isn’t bad.

[midnight totem]

Dead shot won't help him if he's getting smacked about or suppressed

[bitter turtle]

sure

but you haven't really proven its bad

u just frame it in a bad way lul

i already explaiend the purpose

[midnight totem]

I have a similar build to yours, I just don't use on overwatch instead

[finite imp]

Bro you hit the top of the score board of the highest difficulty in the game are you even fucking trying??

[timid otter]

The reason is because its far easier to survive as a team if aggro is split 25% 25% 25% 25%

[midnight totem]

No

[bitter turtle]

its also far easier to survive when all the specialists are ded

[timid otter]

And low profile doesnt exactly do the best in how it drops aggro

[midnight totem]

It's far easier to survive as a team when people recognize their roles and work in tandem with each other

[bitter turtle]

but im sure ur gonna tell me next that you actually have never allowed a flamer or bomber to attack

also i didnt know ogryn taunt was bad too

distributes aggro differently

therefore bad

:^)

[frank ether]

DT is a game about abusing movement and positioning not aggro management

[timid otter]

Say that you are at the side of an ally and drop infiltrate, now enemies will dome on the side of the teammate which increases the chance of being surronded.

[bitter turtle]

again

if ur a literal dumbass with the skill and just run away without killing things

i cant help u

[wanton dawn]

Redistributing aggro to you is not the same as redistributing to others though that is a bad faith argument

[frank ether]

If your teammates are dying because you dumped some mild aggro on them they wouldn't survive the AI director anyways

[bitter turtle]

if u use it to stealth behind and remove all specialists and elites so all the other person has to do is left click the chaff

ur helping

[bitter turtle]

he's the one claiming exactly 25% distribution on everyone is best

[timid otter]

No

[wanton dawn]

That's word lawyering

[midnight totem]

Im helping the zealot taunt

[timid otter]

Im claiming that its preferable to split aggro, to increase everyones survivalibility.

[frank ether]

I wouldn't trade away deadshot for low profile though

that gun is pretty much about crits

[timid otter]

Rather then make one person just straight up disappear suddenly from aggro.

[bitter turtle]

if someone cant survive literally like 15 more poxwalkers on them then as plush said, they're gonna die anyway

u act like i stealth when there's ragers on us attacking lol

[timid otter]

It has to do with surrounds.

[bitter turtle]

just to fuck off and let them die

i stealth when i see specialists incoming and want to dip away to knock them out before they can even be a problem

[midnight totem]

If they were going to get surrounded because of 33 percent aggro

[timid otter]

If the veteran didnt exist, enemies would naturally pile towards the teammate only at the start of the fight.

[bitter turtle]

that way i dont have to wade through dozens of poxes to get to them, likely allowing a bomber to chuck first

[midnight totem]

They were gonna get surrounded because of 25 percent aggro

[timid otter]

With last profile the veteran will drop aggro and increase the degree angle that enemies arrive from.

[bitter turtle]

enemies largely come from 1 or 2 directions at most outside of hold events, so idk what you mean in the first place

[timid otter]

Its the degree angle that is key here.

[bitter turtle]

im sure im misunderstanding you here

because i cannot believe

ur telling me

that 15 degree deviation in the angle of approach of 10 or 15 poxwalkers = dead team

[midnight totem]

I think he is telling us that

[timid otter]

It can be more then that.

But yes it can be hugely detrimental.

[bitter turtle]

enemies spawn largely behind (ambushes) or in front of you (hordes) in the first place

either way

its silly

[timid otter]

One of the most major mechanics in the game is to try to reduce the degrees enemies get to attack from.

[midnight totem]

You know that room in the send signal mission? @bitter turtle

[timid otter]

Like thats literary one of the first fundamentals of the game.

[bitter turtle]

ya what about it

[midnight totem]

My favorite thing to do is to hold the right or left flank myself as a vet

Because gunners always spawn in from the front. Tons of gunners

[bitter turtle]

yeah

there's a lot of forced spawns in a lot of those types events

learning them simplifies them a lot

[midnight totem]

I can easily hold off melee fodder

[bitter turtle]

like when you wait for the elevator to come down in torrent or w/e

[midnight totem]

And when the gunners come in

[bitter turtle]

always spawns like a gorillion gunners/snipers behind that gate

[midnight totem]

I infiltrate, and gun down seven of them

Easy money, while the team holds the obj and hack

[bitter turtle]

but yeah

movement and positioning is key in this game and stealth skills provide that in spades

but i get it

[midnight totem]

But nah. This guy would rather us all be clumped in front being suppressed and swarmed altogether

[bitter turtle]

if i kill the most elites its bc i dumped the chaff on my allies

if i kill the most chaff too its just because they were too busy idk pushing or something and never attacking

if i do the objectives with stealth its because my team was dying

if i pick them up a dozen times its because they died due to stealth solely and totally would have lived without it

:^)

literally impossible to prove its useful

[midnight totem]

You don't like infiltrate and low profile, that's fine. But don't be obtuse over its uses

[bitter turtle]

btw that happened yesterday too lul

hab dreyko, last scan was like across the entire room

i just went and did it myself while they held at the choke room next to spawns

came back to team

we walked away

ez game

[timid otter]

We will likely have to return to this subject at a later time

[bitter turtle]

no i dont like arguing with someone who's set a premise that's literally impossible to prove wrong in their head

[timid otter]

I will die on this hill.

I don’t truly belive low profile is nessecary in any capacity.

[bitter turtle]

ok

just entertain this scenario

i know its crazy

[timid otter]

And you are not either running anything with any particular synergy with it

[wanton dawn]

Imagine trusting your teammate to not bring shit build in maelstrom

[bitter turtle]

but lets take power matrix

that area

where u drop down

and the stairs and medicaid are on the other side

a lot of gunners like to come down from the upper level where you wait for the stairs and dropping down usually triggers a horde too

[wanton dawn]

Doing the most melee damage on a exec stance bolter build smh

[bitter turtle]

do u not see the value in low profile if you stealth behind, kill literally all the gunners without being pounced by poxwalkers so your team isnt suppressed like fuck by them

lol

[timid otter]

I belive that tactical usage of equipment can do same results.

[bitter turtle]

its usually hard to get a good sightline on them once you've dropped down before you just say "shoot them"

wtf is that vague shit

[timid otter]

Like using grenades to keep poxwalkers off or dodges.

Even stealth itself gives a moment to do things.

[bitter turtle]

gunners arent tanky

10 seconds ia ll you need to kill all of them pretty easily

and overwatch is 2 charges

you can easily basically solve all the problems and get away without dying unless you play dumb

but i would invite you to slowly pick them off at a distance with a gun that isnt a dmr or overtuned gun like revolver and tell me which one runs the risk of your team wiping faster

just running up to them and slapping all dozen of them with stealth

or just standing there in the distance slowly piddling away at them with laspistol while a hundred poxes are interrupting u

[wanton dawn]

That's it, i am bringing the bayo

[idle swallow]

Man I haven't done helbore in a bit, think it's time to get back in the poke saddle

[tall torrent]

U could also just
Smoke the area out

[bitter turtle]

smoke stealth build

throw smoke at feet

stealth

be ninja

[tall torrent]

Truly the peak of imperial guard battle doctrine

If u have no idea what you’re doing, neither does ur enemy

[torn inlet]

smoke can be fun for melee tbf

[wanton dawn]

Well, it went well until ppl decided that fighting boss on a catwalk with barrel was a good idea

I am tired boss

[serene bough]

Does anyone wonder if these images of enemies on the Twitter are teasers for something

[frank ether]

lmao no

actually yes

it is a teaser for something

[tall torrent]

Probably not, just promo art stuff (they look good but I don’t think they are teasers)

[frank ether]

''no content in a while'' is what its teasing at

[serene bough]

It seems strange they're just making random high res images of enemies

[frank ether]

whoever has the twitter gotta earn paycheck somehow?

[serene bough]

Part of me is hopeful it's some artwork for Vs Mode like they're currently doing for VT2 huffs copium

[tall torrent]

I don’t think DT VS would work well

[serene bough]

Im sure they could figure something out, but it'll take years

Maybe I'll retire when it happens

[frank ether]

I don't think versus works in general but I don't want to anger the VT2 players

or else they'll tie me up and have me listen to why ranged gameplay is bad for 10 hours

[slow spade]

DT VS but its just everyone spamming bombers UwU

[serene bough]

I'd love some mutant shenanigans

Throw people off cliffs pls

[slow spade]

Suddenly your computer's audio card dies from the amount of mutants sent your way

[slow spade]

Into daemonhosts UwU

[frank ether]

whats gonna happen %90 of the time is

you'll get sniped across a wall by an exec plasma vet

[serene bough]

True

[serene bough]

Realistically if it ever became a thing they'd probably have to streamline a lot and limit certain weapons

[frank basin]

I fell from height downed near daemonhost

I aggro in process

[frank ether]

well realistically it won't happen for DT

cause it took 4 years for VT2 and they made no promises for DT to have that

[stable socket]

i feel like a player-controlled bomber (or multiple) would be able to lock off an area indefinitely from outside LOS

[frank ether]

yep

[stable socket]

so there'd be no way to get to them and kill them without spending like 5-6s in fire

[serene bough]

I'd personally prefer a last stand kind of gamemode

[tall torrent]

Player controlled crusher finally getting close enough then getting 2 tapped by a power sword

[slow spade]

Don't worry, they can't make good their promises so we still got a shot 😎

[frank basin]

If they manage to block powersword

[frank ether]

well cod got a warhammer crossover so now that ''this isn't cod'' no longer applies, we can expect weapon customization 🧠

[serene sage]

Lies deceit, everyday, more lies

[frank basin]

Cod is want be Fortnite

[frank ether]

All this talk about GW having high standards and now your favourite IP exists in the same universe with messi and nicki minaj lmao

where are those people now they are awfully quiet

[frank basin]

Nicki minaj running around with gun on hand is funny already

Now we have space marine running around ar rifle is oddly

[wanton dawn]

Grimdank

It is all grimdank

[terse idol]

Cod wants to be fortnite but fortnite if it released every year and forced you to buy a new set of skins for the next game

wheeze

[frank basin]

They forced themselves buy new skin

Like Darktide

[frank ether]

and ppl seem to be buying it every year so

[frank basin]

We live in consumerism society

[frank ether]

at some point you gotta shift the blame to the consumer

for rewarding it

[raw steppe]

well didnt the latest cod do pretty poorly iirc

[frank ether]

''poorly'' for cod standards

[raw steppe]

i think consumers are getting better

[frank ether]

nah