veteran-class

[bitter turtle]

demanding on gear quality though

[sonic marlin]

those scopes are unusable yikes

[bitter turtle]

i have no issues 🤷‍♀️

[sonic marlin]

thinking about buying the set, but i like my trophyhunter chest armor so much

[bitter turtle]

c an we pls have two auric mael missions up at once

so i dont have to play extra poxbursters

thanks

[stone tapir]

no

just shoot faster

[sonic marlin]

is there better fashion stuff or nah?

[modest elk]

I'm confused by veteran. I...feel like other classes do what he does but better?

Just started leveling one and just feel...off with it

[stone tapir]

veteran starts to stand out in the mid levels

when you get your grenades and specialty weapons'

[finite imp]

We do what every other class does but better.

[sonic marlin]

pretty hot

10eur

[muted knot]

Melee vet is just better zealot

Don't @ me

[finite imp]

correct

[muted knot]

[sonic marlin]

fully red

[terse idol]

Veteran early is gonna feel bad

Veteran late is a little fuunnnyy

[tall torrent]

I’m not a fan of red outfits

[modest elk]

IS melee Vet better than Zealot?

I generally prefer Melee and go for my Zealot for that

But ill keep pushing my vet along

[bitter turtle]

i would say

its very strong offensively but weaker defensively

[faint beacon]

Its a weird yes and no, cause I've out performed some Zealots with my Melee Vet build

[sonic marlin]

I love it, just wish the chest/shoulder armor wasn't rusty

[bitter turtle]

weapon specialist abuses the revolver a lot in melee playstyle

[sonic marlin]

or like

scraped

[bitter turtle]

in a way zealot cant do

[frank ether]

its good in its own way

[bitter turtle]

but if you're asking

which one can banzai charge into enemy line alone and live

zealot

[sonic marlin]

do most of you run auric damnation or what

[bitter turtle]

i only play auric mael

occasionally qp auric if im doing a meme or just farming plas

which i dont do much because its brain numbingly boring

[slow spade]

But how else will you get the diamantine for crafting except for endless standard quickplays 💪💪💪

[sonic marlin]

i've been pretty comfortable in normal damnation for some time, don't remember losing any games, ig its time to move to auric

[bitter turtle]

its really not much different

tbh

the tension modifier is higher? ig

i heard this at least

[wanton dawn]

Pretty much only playing auric maelstrom

[bitter turtle]

try auric mael

that is pretty significantly different and a step up

[idle swallow]

QP aurics for me because perpetually need plasteel still

[faint beacon]

Honestly reminding me I need to play Mael more mainly cause I've just been plasteel grinding and its been getting actually boring

Enhanced Blitz Mael, making me consider whipping out the grenadier build

[idle swallow]

If they can ever one day make those dumb books/grims give resource multipliers like quickplay does...

[agile forge]

at least let me have a room where I can stack the books up lol

make it like the payday 2 vault

only it's spooky books

and then you get enough and a daemon manifests on the mourningstar

[hidden summit]

Grims 100% need a buff. Not point in taking them other than to troll the team

[slow spade]

Indeed

[hidden summit]

Drives me insane when people pick up both

[slow spade]

Idk why the docket amount is so low on top of other shit like constant ticking corruption damage

[hidden summit]

Let’s just kill the lil uns

Scripts are literally more profitable in every way and are easier

[wise fossil]

Luckily most of the community seems to have gotten the message to never pick them up

[hidden summit]

Nah

[slow spade]

The sad moment when picking all all grims can't even afford you to buy a grey gun from brunt lol

[hidden summit]

50% of the time they pick it up every time

[wise fossil]

I must be a lucky varlet then

[hidden summit]

Join my games, feel the pain.

[bitter turtle]

let ppl pick them up

qp auric is already 💤

[hidden summit]

It’s monster mash maelstrom or nothing for me

[serene sage]

well shit anyone wanna play a game?

[midnight totem]

Sorry I'm here to bitch about games not play them

[brave bear]

veteran suck

bolt gun suck

power sword futile

[hidden summit]

Is there a good bolt gun build out there?

[brave bear]

there was before they nerfed it

now literally anything that boltgun touches turns to shit

[terse idol]

???

What

Its one of the best guns for boss killing

Its not the worst

[sonic marlin]

yeah

for bosses

anything else? not really

[terse idol]

You can play EXE and Focus target

Kill alot of bosses

Kill alot of spec and elites

Yall

[brave bear]

bolt gun was good when it didn't fail in killing a normal poxwalker with one shot to the chest

[sonic marlin]

plasma does it all better

[hard briar]

Oh i was gonna come here and troll but I see we have a troll on shift already

[brave bear]

now, you can't even kill a poxwalker with a shot to the chest

useless

[terse idol]

I don't give two shits about the plasma rn

Comparing it to plasma is useless

It still one taps shotgunners and gunners

Oh my gosh yall

Crazy

[sonic marlin]

sure

[brave bear]

jealous?

[hard briar]

yes

[cloud leaf]

Bolter is only good on zealot

[serene sage]

yeah so why would you EVER play antyhing but plasma?

like plasma outclasses everything

i hate how every discussion is like muh plasma does better

yeah well it's OP as shit

there is no reason not to use it if you just want to win

[sonic marlin]

because i think its boring, i would just use it over the bolter, not everything else

[hard briar]

honestly this is what every convo was before Plasma became op but it was autopistol, bolter, mg12

[brave bear]

ok well go get hugged

[serene sage]

then maybe apply the same logic? people use it cause it's fun?

lmao

PlAsma DOEs iT BettER

stfu

[terse idol]

Bolter is legit good

Oh my gos

But play pgun guys

Play pgun

[brave bear]

oh shit I started a flame war lmao oops

[terse idol]

Inly

[sonic marlin]

getting angry on discord

kek

[terse idol]

Its the only gun

When you're saying

Bolter is shit

[frank ether]

it kills everything worth shooting at

[serene sage]

being offended on discord

kek

[brave bear]

tbh bolter is nothing now compared to its former glory

[sonic marlin]

?

[sonic marlin]

I do

[brave bear]

I get why people like it, but you didn't see it before it got nerfed that's all I'm sayin'

[frank ether]

I was there on release playing bolter-psword

[hard briar]

when pinning fire was OP

[frank ether]

I'm still playing bolter-psword

its still very strong

[hard briar]

as it should be

[frank ether]

you're all just absolute potatoes and your entire argument for bolter bad is plasma/revolver existing

both of which need some fat nerfs

[bitter turtle]

you can circumvent the draw speed anyhow

[brave bear]

I just miss being able to actually kill things without having to spend an entire magazine

[bitter turtle]

muh tech

[brave bear]

I swear half the time of having a bolt gun now is just looking at reload animations

[finite imp]

the bolters power still infuriates me

[brave bear]

before you could just snipe anything with one shot, I don't see anything wrong with that considering the recoil, mag size and reload time

[sonic marlin]

i hate the slow reload and low ammo capacity, but yeah can't change that cuz then it would be op

[finite imp]

the devs are so scared to make it OP

[frank ether]

I used to think maybe this bolter bad takes come from zealot players but its even stronger on zealot

[bitter turtle]

it still oneshots things though

[finite imp]

when thats literally what a bolter is

OP

[frank ether]

you're playing on a class with 3 different way to cut reload speed that are stackable

[brave bear]

bro I literally shot a poxwalker in the chest the other day and it didn't even get knocked down

[terse idol]

Its just frusterating

[hard briar]

they should get rid of Plasma'a alt fire and make primary behave like alt. big damage but slow firing.

[brave bear]

it was as if someone had punched it lightly

[frank ether]

and what low ammo

you get like 100+ bullets

each bullet is like one elite kill

[finite imp]

a bolter hitting you in the chest cavity should pop it like a balloon. Your rib cage should become shrapnel

[hard briar]

I miss when Plasma was damage alpha vs the DPS of other guns

[frank ether]

each of your bullets stuns half a horde

[sonic marlin]

not wasting talent tree points for reload stuff

[frank ether]

you shoot a bulwark and it gets stunned and opens up

[brave bear]

my point exactly

[bitter turtle]

🤔 are you sure you weren't actually using a recon

[frank ether]

you shoot a gunner 10 others around it are suppressed

[bitter turtle]

easy mistake to make

[brave bear]

trust me, it's seriously that shit

[frank ether]

Bolter is an easy weapon and the only real issue with it is jank recoil

[frail maple]

Every time

[brave bear]

recoil is fine, it just has absolutely no dmg output compared to before

[hard briar]

i cant wait for the vods showing bolter kick ass

[frank ether]

It has fine damage output lmao

[brave bear]

having a huge recoil is fine if the damage can at least kill a poxwalker with one shot

[finite imp]

"fine"

[terse idol]

Okay I'm alive

[hard briar]

a timeless classic

[brave bear]

no. it. don't.

[frank ether]

cry about it

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/2e2e92284f4b866e8b13fe11805d1055.jpg

[frank ether]

go review bomb the game

[bitter turtle]

confused noises

[brave bear]

you cry, idiot cry cat cry cry cat

[terse idol]

You vant tell me >lul discord rage
When someone asks, "is there a good build for bolter"
And your response is "no Its shit"
Bolter is a good gun

Its not crazy

[finite imp]

thats what were already doing dingus

[terse idol]

There is a build for it

[brave bear]

pre-nerf patch

[frank ether]

I'm actually just legit

[bitter turtle]

y r u shooting poxwalkers anyway

[frank ether]

fucking tired of ''bolter bad''

[terse idol]

It just sucks how the meta discussion is

[frank ether]

its not bad

[bitter turtle]

i just took the screenshot now

[terse idol]

Its bad so don't use it lul

[finite imp]

cry about it

[terse idol]

Its good

[frank ether]

its not plasma tier

[terse idol]

Oh my go

[finite imp]

C:<

[frank ether]

no gun should be plasma tier

[brave bear]

because I thought I was killing nothing and I tested it, and there was evidence right there I couldn't kill a poxwalker

are you on the highest difficulty tho

[bitter turtle]

yes

or else they would have less than 300 hp

https://i.gyazo.com/abe8ab32f38337c3a557a722da650a44.jpg

and dont tell me its old ss

[brave bear]

ok well sry I don't use the "poxwalker dmg" perk

[bitter turtle]

unless wep speccialist was pre pinning-fire nerf

lul

its a grey bolter

[soft blade]

my anti poxwalker boltgun build lmfao

[brave bear]

then explain why my shot didn't kill it

also stand 20 meters back more

you're too close

maybe it's the damage drop-off, then

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/5d499b54ee9aa1cf18dba9ed9bc3d83d.jpg

the stats

[brave bear]

you used to be able to snipe shit miles away

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/e9135509ffb086aea7bc16e636c7e557.jpg

idk man

do i need to go farther still

[soft blade]

seems like a build issue

[brave bear]

well I'm just saying I did that and mine didn't

[old quail]

unarmored is groaners

ur shootin groaners

[brave bear]

there's a clear difference between now and its former glory, as previously stated, no more questions

[old quail]

the poxwalkers are to the left

[frank ether]

only in vet chat

[hard briar]

[frank ether]

will you have someone argue

bolter is bad

based on poxwalkers

[soft blade]

[frank ether]

and someone will even take it seriously

to begin with

actual brainlet hours

[old quail]

of course u want to kill poxwalkers. they're dirty

[bitter turtle]

again

[old quail]

no plague in my hive city

[bitter turtle]

why are you even shooting trash with bolter 🤔

[hard briar]

Im gonna say that a Gyrojet propelled Rocket will probably overpenn a rotting carcass made hollow by maggots

[wanton dawn]

Bolter was never good against poxwalker

[frank ether]

I just want revolver/plasma to get absolutely nerfed to shit so these people can realize they can not use precision weapons

[soft blade]

veteran brainrot

[frank ether]

that they do not understand them to begin with

[soft blade]

melee isn’t real

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/789039f47a0eed63993bd2f749a689f0.jpg

????

[soft blade]

idk how you could manage to build a bolter and have it not oneshot poxwalkers

[hard briar]

my brother in christ, ive been using this shit gun since the Veteran toughness glitch on release. It will take an Act of God to make me stop

[soft blade]

that’s honestly really impressive and i wanna see it

[bitter turtle]

JUST IN CASE

https://i.gyazo.com/b2e43190db47f8864a82c009628b6d43.jpg

someone is gonna tell me

but reverse damage drop off maybe!?!?!

[frank ether]

aren't you annoyed every 50 IQ brainlet also uses it now?

Just has a bad stigma to it now

[hard briar]

I am

[frank ether]

Plasma used to be cool

I used to respect plasma users lmao

[brave bear]

idk what you're trying to prove but it happened to me

so either we're saying darktide is shit or bolt gun is shit

[soft blade]

lmfao

[brave bear]

to me, difference doesn't matter

[bitter turtle]

i think the lesson to take away is

dont shoot poxwalkers with a gun with only 15 bullets and slow reload

[brave bear]

I could empty a boltgun mag into a crowd of crushers and there'd be nothing but gore left

now you're lucky if you take out two of them

and it's literally the same gun pre- and post-patches so don't even argue I'm using bad perks or blessings

[wanton dawn]

Crushers got buffed though

[brave bear]

then they should have buffed bolt gun along with it

because what's the point in keeping a gun that has massive recoil, a tiny mag and a long reload animation when you can just take a revolver that does the same damage but much faster

like isn't a bolt gun supposed to kinda be op? it's like the iconic "fuck shit up" weapon for 40k

and I'm not even a big fan, and I know that much

[bitter turtle]

by that logic

[brave bear]

you're telling me mr. nobody-revolver is gonna make a bolt gun look like crap? gettouttahere man

[wanton dawn]

I mean, i play bolter

[bitter turtle]

everything is right in teh world

plasma is the most op

and revolver is the katana of guns

[wanton dawn]

I dont play revolver

[brave bear]

I like revolvers in games, they're my favourite weaponry, but this is 40k

and this is

darktide

[bitter turtle]

also

just tried it

u can still drop 4 crushers in one clip

autofiring

i think that's perfectly fair

[brave bear]

ok then I guess I'm making it up, is that what you're saying?

[bitter turtle]

last one is 1 boolet away from death unfortuantely

[brave bear]

I'm just dying on purpose, I guess

when I could really just drop those crushers like nothing

[bitter turtle]

maybe you just got dependent on an op gun before

[brave bear]

strange that, huh

[trim steppe]

Pretty much everyone agrees with you, revolver is way overtuned and shouldn't be more powerful than the boltgun. The boltgun is ok rn but definitely diminished from its place 10 months ago

[bitter turtle]

and now the bandage has been ripped away

[terse idol]

Waaa

😢

[brave bear]

thank u

I rest my case

[frank ether]

See it always boils down to this

''what about revolver/plasma''

[bitter turtle]

well

revolver needs to be gutted

not everything else buffed to the same level as the armor piercing sniper rifle with infinite clip size

[frank ether]

gut those two guns

[tall torrent]

Plasma needs charged shots buffed and regular shots have less cleave

[frank ether]

gut em

[bitter turtle]

and fast swap speed

[brave bear]

still a massive difference between now-bolt gun and then-bolt gun and thousands of darktide players will agree with me

[frank ether]

gut them so the whataboutism can stop

[bitter turtle]

i mean the boltgun is basically in a reasonable spot rn

[brave bear]

there's a reason why not every veteran has bolt gun anymore

[frank ether]

because it takes some semblance of brain cells to use now

and most of you can't have that

[tall torrent]

Also fyi Boltgun is still pretty strong on zealot

[frank ether]

literally today I had a veteran with bolter-knife shooting poxwalkers

doing 1/3th my damage

[trim steppe]

I think the main reason the boltgun feels so bad now is because of the changes to executioners stance. No instant reload and less damage output from it. while all the monsters also got hp buffs

[bitter turtle]

i mean

ur still talking about a gun that can drop 5 crushers in a few seconds

its fine for it to be clunky

[trim steppe]

That said the boltgun still performs fine, its just not as beastly as before and there's other weapons that are overtuned and outshine it

[timid otter]

I swear theres something wrong with how chaos spawn grab works ingame

Its like it doesnt take in factor latency

[bitter turtle]

not everything needs to be plasma with 1 gorillion cleave and oneshots everything with a huge clip and fast swap

that needs to be nerfed

[tall torrent]

It’s a net code issue iirc

[frank ether]

its the ping

[tall torrent]

Plasma can def use a cleave nerf

[frank ether]

you can reliably dodge it in meat grinder because thats local I believe

[bitter turtle]

also

if u run exec again

it can shoot through 6 crushers

instead of 4

[frank ether]

bruh bolter doesnt even need exec

[bitter turtle]

i think its perfectly fine

[frank ether]

you can run it

[bitter turtle]

it doesn't

but im just saying

[frank ether]

but it doesnt even need

can just run voc and be a tanky boi

I've been running that build for ages

[trim steppe]

I've noticed a lot more slop in the server-client communication lately, I wasn't sure if it was Darktide servers or my new VPN. But a lot more of my blocks, dodges, and weapon swaps dont register and trip me up

[frank ether]

and cringe everytime I see other bolter vets

they always do the same thing

hipfire into crowds

run out of ammo

complain

[tall torrent]

People that frequently shoot into crowds will shoot into crowds regardless of the weapon they’re using

[bitter turtle]

ngl

unrelated

but that's why I think agri revolver doesnt need a buff either

[frank ether]

they should be playing brautos or ogryn

[bitter turtle]

its just a smaller shittier bolter that's faster

that's where these guns should be

[tall torrent]

Cleave tho

[bitter turtle]

good

it shouldnt have cleave

why do revolvers have a gorillion cleave too

[frank ether]

I think they should just nerf old revolver and then see where it stands

[tall torrent]

Not high cleave just Helbore-grade cleave would do a lot for it

[frank ether]

sure

[bitter turtle]

thats the annoying thing

any convo about agri volver goes down to

"but zarona does x better"

well no shit

its overpowered

[frank ether]

I'm telling you its always the same argument

and it drives me insane

but what about gun with infinite cleave and ogryn sized bullets

[trim steppe]

Its kinda the opposite of the power sword but with the same situation. Old one gets neglected, new one is pretty well balanced. Its just the old power sword is undertuned and the old revolver is overtuned

[frank ether]

can you imagine if every gun was that busted

half the tryhards already run those two guns or columnus

[brave bear]

do you guys prefer it if the vet in your squad has a krak nade or the other one?

[bitter turtle]

shredder is better like 90% of the time

[tall torrent]

Frag is better than krak usually

[frank ether]

krak is only taken when your build just cant deal with carapace I guess

[tall torrent]

Or boss dmg

[wanton dawn]

Krak is for bon

[trim steppe]

yeah I only take krak if my weapons dont do armor well

[brave bear]

ok bc since bolt gun literally can't deal with carapace anymore, I'm usually grabbing krak

[frank ether]

wdym cant deal lmao

[brave bear]

grab krak bc bolt gun crap

[tall torrent]

Idk I think relying on guns to kill crushers is a bad habit to begin with

[frank ether]

you kill crusher in like 4-5 shots

less if you built for it

[brave bear]

well power sword is futile when I can take down a crusher with better alternatives in the time it takes to charge that mf up

[tall torrent]

You’re almost always at a pretty huge ammo deficit when shooting at crushers

[trim steppe]

last time i used bolter was like 2 months ago, but part of the problem was mag dumping into crushers meant some of the shots straight up didnt register with the server. Doing like 3 round bursts into crusher packs tend to do better

[tall torrent]

Respectfully I don’t think you know what you’re talking about

[brave bear]

used to not be when I could wipe 6 crushers with a mag

[bitter turtle]

u do realize

power sword can 2shot crushers rn right

its one of the fastest weaponst at killign crushers

gun or melee

lol

u can cancel the charge up animation too

[tall torrent]

The only things faster than power sword at killing crushers are the funny folded shovels

[brave bear]

mhm yup and I'm saying I got better alternatives that don't require me to wait 3 seconds to wait for powering uppage

[tall torrent]

It doesn’t take 3 seconds to power up

[trim steppe]

I agreed with you at first but now I think you're just making up reasons to be frustrated

PS is crazy good

[tall torrent]

this is not 3 seconds

[brave bear]

yeah it's good

[brave bear]

talking about the other one

[bitter turtle]

wtf

then why are you saying teh charge is slow

lol

[tall torrent]

the other one still kills extremely quickly

[bitter turtle]

it charges evven faster

and kills p fast still

[brave bear]

and maybe I was exaggerating bc in-game you rely on speed

yeah they kill quick

[tall torrent]

skip the maybe u were exaggerating

not many things kill crushers faster than power swords

[brave bear]

but I'm saying I have options that I can do the same, and sometimes more, in the time it takes to just charge up the sword

[brave bear]

dunno guess I just have my skills then

I have a couple options

[trim steppe]

just not the bolter anymore

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/74c70374fe1bf213b64108876b2aa5d9.jpg

other one 3 shots

its like

[tall torrent]

If u are thinking about kill crushers fast you have more options than Boltgun or power sword

[bitter turtle]

litearlly half a second slower

[brave bear]

yes, thanks for that one fatshark

[bitter turtle]

are u like

not hitting their head

or something

cause yeahi guess it takes a while to kill them if u swing at their arms

[trim steppe]

If you havent you should play an ogryn with one of the new shovels, you can 1-shot up to like 3 crushers in 1 swing

[tall torrent]

If you’re purely looking at magdump Boltgun playstyle, zealot does that really well rn

[trim steppe]

the mk5 or mk19 both can do it

[brave bear]

I'm an ogryn main, and that for a reason

[tall torrent]

Zealot can basically negate every one of Boltgun magdump downsides except ammo econ

[brave bear]

I literally have hundreds of hours just as ogryn because ogryn can do in a second what perhaps only zealot can do in the same time, but takes the other classes half a fkin minute 🙂

[trim steppe]

cavalcade + pinning + FotF?

[brave bear]

yes I'm a fucking god when it comes to zealot and ogryn, thank you I know

[tall torrent]

• duelist + dance of death

Put blazing piety in there as well

[frank ether]

explains a lot

[trim steppe]

oh ok sorry 🛐

[brave bear]

better

I'd challenge anyone to try to out-zealot me when I'm knife zealot and I'm not even kidding

specials? you don't need to kill a single one

I take down crushers faster than you can blink 😘

and yes, I do stick with the squad

[tall torrent]

So what were u complaining abt in the first place

Boltgun for veteran ?

[brave bear]

because I don't want to play the same class all the time

gets boring to be at the top baby 💪

[frank ether]

daily ''boltgun bad''

[trim steppe]

I'm getting a lot of middle school energy outta this rn

[tall torrent]

So that’s the only thing u were complains abt? lol

[brave bear]

wdym "only thing"?

[bitter turtle]

zealot is pretty easy to top frag with ngl

https://i.gyazo.com/547c30c3779492ee4a7b090c18c7bc25.png

[brave bear]

you're telling me I should be happy a quarter of the game is locked away from me because it sucks?

because it's less effective?

[bitter turtle]

can roll ur face across the keyboard with a mediocre melee weapon and not even pull out gun once

[tall torrent]

Wdym a quarter of the game

[brave bear]

exactly my point

[tall torrent]

Boltgun veteran is not a quarter of the game?

Veteran has so many good options rn?

[brave bear]

one out of four classes?

[brave bear]

and all of them the baby day care of pretending to take down enemies quickly

[bitter turtle]

if u cant top frag as vet its legitimately a skill issue

https://i.gyazo.com/facbe3ebb6a29b2e3c866dd7605b4713.png

[brave bear]

it's like kerillian all over again

[bitter turtle]

tee hee 217 gunners killed

[tall torrent]

I’m sorry that’s just a u issue

[sonic marlin]

awooga not the best anymore when it comes to auric

[brave bear]

sure lol, show me all them vets and psykers who really make a big difference lmao

I challenge you to show me any of those 1 IQ darktide randos who do a hundredth of the job I do in a game, as vet or psyker

gl

[trim steppe]

You should stick to zealot and ogryn if you cant handle the vet and psyker playstyles

[tall torrent]

I don’t think u even understand veteran well enough to make an unbiased opinion so why should I bother lol

[low lava]

People falling for the troll here lol

[bitter turtle]

tfw zealot and ogryn players still keep wanting vet nerfed

😔

[old quail]

i do not feel particularly weakened as psyker

[tall torrent]

Oh ik he’s prob baiting, it’s funny though

[brave bear]

it's not that I can't "handle" anything
why waste my time picking out specials in my sights when I take them down quicker with throwing knives as zealot?

I mean I won't flex any more, my skills in game speak for me tyvm

ok now I am trolling a tiny bit 🤏 but only to lighten the mood

by the sounds of it, you'd be surprised tho js

chances are you'd propose to me while you're wiped and I'm carrying the game and getting you back up tbh (still, I would say no)

[bitter turtle]

i am surprised

by someone who shoots poxwalkers with bolter

was surprised a while ago tbh

[bitter turtle]

and also couldnt kill them*

[brave bear]

huh still don't get what a test is, I see

[agile forge]

Testing how well a pan fries an egg by melting an ice cube on it

[brave bear]

analogy doesn't work

go eat eggs

[wary galleon]

Average braced autogun run
I MAY HAVE KILLED ALMOST A 1000 ENEMIES BUT IT WASENT ENUFF

[bitter turtle]

u let someone outfrag you on melee elites

time to uninstall

[wary galleon]

its called graia braced autogun and "wtf are you made out of ammo"

[brave bear]

leaderboard mod doesn't even show half the useful info tbh

relax, relax, now I am trolling

but still, I don't use it

[wary galleon]

what would you like to add to it?

[bitter turtle]

coherency time

reddit told me that's the most important stat

[frank ether]

true

[wary galleon]

well idk about time, but theres coherency efficiency

[brave bear]

in reality though, numbers don't necessarily say much in a co-op game

[frank ether]

reddit always knows whats good

[bitter turtle]

now i simply stand next to my team not attacking

and yell at them if they ever move away from me

[brave bear]

it might tell you something but good squad play doesn't always show

[bitter turtle]

optimal reddit plays

[frank ether]

https://media.tenor.com/XHr4FWDAdQIAAAAM/fish-eating-fish-eating-from-spoon.gif

[wary galleon]

le fis

[frank ether]

[terse idol]

[sonic marlin]

ok this time i did better

50k, +ordo dockets curios is the meta

inspecting random people just makes me mad

but his finesse is shit and perk too so

also no headtaker

can mine be salvaged?

since people keep saying perks aren't important

i got another one but this one is not usable right

[terse idol]

why focus on other people

🥹

[terse idol]

also uh

[junior needle]

This one might be, but only if you gigaroll brutal on orange

The other one, no lmao

[terse idol]

yeah

[junior needle]

"But rashad is a meta weapon, what do you mean bruiser breakpoints? What are bruisers?"

[sonic marlin]

ugh

[junior needle]

It was looking scuffed anyway

Crafting an proper rashad is tough

[bitter turtle]

perks are important

every single thing on it is important

unarmored/flak + headtaker/bromentum

non negotiable really

[junior needle]

You can apparently go without flak IF you dedicate a ton of points in the tree to reaching that breakpoint

But like, just better off crafting it

[idle swallow]

Be a psychopath like me and use headtaker/all or nothing on a deadshot vet

[terse idol]

yeep

that's what I gotta doo

[grand shale]

how do you see a breakdown like this?

[sonic marlin]

mods

[grand shale]

ah, thanks

[tall torrent]

U wanna know how to farm dockets

[sonic marlin]

sure'

[tall torrent]

Damnation orthus offensive, bell skip at start and just speedrun the fight

You won’t have any plasteel from doing this but if you have a full squad just speedrunning it over and over

You can get 6-7 runs in per hour

Each is 19950 dockets, with +30% that’s roughly 26k

Damnation has higher chance to drop gold items which u can sell (or harvest)

On avg 150~200k dockets per hour

[sonic marlin]

btw whats the secret hard mode to get the fully golden thingy

[tall torrent]

7 bells scattered across the map, ring them a specific amount of times

Or, if you have someone who’s already beat hard mode before, u can just bell skip at start (there’ll be 2 bells)

Left bell is regular
Right bell is hard mode

When hard mode is activated, the twins have red wreaths around their heads

[sonic marlin]

ty for the info

[tall torrent]

Hard mode is mainly hard from the amount of armored elites that’ll spawn in

[bitter turtle]

that'd put you in hard mode right

seems like the hardest part about that method is finding a group that does it properly lul

[last parcel]

the bell on the left is the regular damnation fight

[tall torrent]

no, left bell is regular

right bell is hard

[wise fossil]

reload to flak is probably the play, right?

[tall torrent]

works

flak gives u a lot of extra consistency in bodyshots

[wise fossil]

unarmored gives me the one shot on dreg gunners which is nice

[tall torrent]

u don't have to run unarmored for dreg gunner 1 shot, but since u can only change 1 it's prob best to get +flak

[wise fossil]

I've noticed too that headshot priority is really low on Maulers

[tall torrent]

this depends

[wise fossil]

how so? I've got 80% damage, weak spot damage talent and elite damage talent

on a different gun I mean

and it doesn't headshot 1 shot

[tall torrent]

if u have 10% elite perk with 15% elite talent u can still 1 shot dreg gunners with tag/RF

[bitter turtle]

o cool

didnt know you could skip without hard mode

[tall torrent]

elite is more versatile for plasma

[wise fossil]

okay makes sense

[tall torrent]

also, here's what I compiled for breakpoints

[wise fossil]

no I mean like

[tall torrent]

Did a little more testing regarding plasma breakpoints
Here’s the info I found:

Assuming you take the following talents:
+5% ranged dmg (x2)
+30% weakpoint dmg
+15% elite dmg
+20% ogryn/monster dmg
Tag keystone & redirect fire (RF)

Default breakpoints with +10% elite (perk)

• 2 HS reaper
• 2 shot bulwark (1st open shield, 2nd HS)
• 3 HS crusher (crits help consistency involving bodyshots)
• 1 charged headshot crusher (5 RF, 5 stack tag)
• 2 shot both ragers (1 crit HS both)
• 1 HS both gunners (dreg needs tag / RF)
• 1 HS both flamers (need tag / RF)
• 1 bodyshot trapper, sniper & bomber
• 1 HS both shotgunners

+Maniac (perk)
Guarantees:

• 1 HS dreg ragers
  Potential:
• 1 bodyshot both flamers ( 5 RF + >2 stacks of tag + longshot / agile engagement active)
• 1 charged HS mutants (5 RF + tag + longshot)

+Flak (perk)
Guarantees the following breakpoints:

• 1 bodyshot scab gunner (RF active)
• 1 bodyshot both shotgunners
• 3 bodyshot mauler (2 bodyshot if 1 crit, needs RF active + tag)
• this also makes mauler HS worthless since bodyshot > HS in dmg
• 3 bodyshot reaper (2 shot if either is headshot, needs RF active + tag)
  Potential with agile engagement active:
• 1 HS both ragers (dreg needs tag)
• 1 bodyshot dreg gunner (RF)
  Potential with longshot:
• 1 bodyshot dreg gunner at 12m+ (5RF + 2 tag)
• 1 HS both ragers at 14m+ (5RF + 2 tag)
• no longer need tag or RF to 1 HS both gunners & both flamers

+Carapace (perk)
Guarantees the following breakpoints:

• 3 shot crusher (1st HS)
• 1 charged HS crusher (RF)
• 3 shot mauler (1st HS)

Overall conclusion for perks:
Priority: +elite
Consistency: +flak
Potential: +maniac
Kill crushers: +carapace

[wise fossil]

I go into Psyk and I straight up can't hit the head

it's flak armor damage every time

[bitter turtle]

imagine

[tall torrent]

that's a bug

[bitter turtle]

if they nerf plasma dmg

and it completely invalidates all ur work

[tall torrent]

it's carapace

[wise fossil]

It also doesn't highlight the shot in yellow

[tall torrent]

if they nerf prob only BPs that would change are ragers

[wise fossil]

it's showing up as a bodyshot

[tall torrent]

yes, that's a bug

[bitter turtle]

you're better off looking at the dmg values and comparing them

cause yeah its funky

[sonic marlin]

whats the best axe after rashad\

[tall torrent]

I think flak+elite is the best combo for plasma

[tall torrent]

antax prob

but rashad is usually better

[sonic marlin]

what are the requirements for it

[tall torrent]

same thing

bruiser 1HS on light atks

except antax is even harder to reach those than rashad because no finesse modifier

[tall torrent]

I tested these without perfect optimal dmg & SP rolls

I think I have 77 dmg and 73 SP

[paper brook]

Which one do I use the first one (which could be reblessed to have Hand cannon as well) or the second one?

[sonic marlin]

why is ur game so dark

[tall torrent]

first

harvest 2nd for hand cannon IV, bless onto first

[timid otter]

Thats low rates

I-II-VEG farms are far more efficent

[tall torrent]

yea if u speedrun AM it's faster

[timid otter]

I-II-VEG farms are more around 500k per hour.

[sonic marlin]

so what am I supposed to be able to do with this, seems innefective against crushers and maulers, others it can kill in like 1-3 hits, dreg ragers take 4

[timid otter]

This is assumeing players are running 30% ordo dockets on curios.

[tall torrent]

wdym infective against crushers & maulers

[terse idol]

uh

It can 3 shot a crusher

[tall torrent]

u should be able to 4 heavy atk both of them?

[bitter turtle]

its not as effective a psword vs carapace if that's your metric

but it cleaves thorugh hordes very efficiently, can handle any armor type, and is far more mobile

[terse idol]

You can get it down reealllly well

[tall torrent]

3 hit crusher needs some tinkering

[terse idol]

yee

[sonic marlin]

?

[bitter turtle]

heavies on carapace

light on maniacs

o wait you tried both

uhhh

what's your tree

looks like your dmg is just a bit short

[sonic marlin]

yeah no melee stuff

[bitter turtle]

yeah

in that case

id take psword ona build like that

rashad wants melee buffs

[sonic marlin]

so it requires talents too?

[bitter turtle]

ya

[sonic marlin]

which ones

[tall torrent]

takk ogryn dmg

[bitter turtle]

usually i only take rashad on wep specialist builds tbh

[sonic marlin]

i am using a psword right now, just want rashad eventually

[bitter turtle]

but that's just me

[tall torrent]

also

[bitter turtle]

psword is better if u cant afford any points into melee

[sonic marlin]

no points

[paper brook]

Yeah I thought that would be my best option since the slightly lower DMG of the first one won't really have much of an impact and it has the ideal perks on it already

[bitter turtle]

but i prefer rashad when you can

[tall torrent]

u don't need onslaught on thr right side

[tall torrent]

drop rending

[sonic marlin]

why

[tall torrent]

because ogryn dmg is better than rending when ur using rashad

[bitter turtle]

well

his gun might need it

[sonic marlin]

im not using rashad

i dont have it

im using columnus

[bitter turtle]

well

[tall torrent]

are u relying on columnus to kill crushers or smth

[sonic marlin]

sometimes i do shoot them yes

if they aren't close to me

[raw steppe]

That seems wrong lol

[junior needle]

Ciag does want rending sources for unyielding/flak

[bitter turtle]

its not that bad

u can get around 2k dps on a crusher with colu

and onslaught

[raw steppe]

Usually you should only be shooting them if theyre close to you and you have pressure

Otherwise it's pretty bad ammo wise

[tall torrent]

the point sink just doesn't seem worth it to me

[bitter turtle]

nah

its not that much of an ammo dump

but yeah it is a point investment to grab onslaught

[junior needle]

That's because you didn't look at the falloff values

[raw steppe]

Its like 35-40 shots per crusher

Thats pretty fucking bad lmao

[bitter turtle]

definitely not 40 wtf

that's like the whole clip

[tall torrent]

far is how far away, 30m+?

[sonic marlin]

I never run out of ammo, most of the time I can switch to melee for like 2 minutes and my ammo is maxed up lol

[raw steppe]

A clip is 58

[bitter turtle]

yes

that's nearly

the full clip

[raw steppe]

35/58

[bitter turtle]

let me check exactly how much

[raw steppe]

I think

You need to learn math

LOL

[bitter turtle]

it rounds up to being the full clip

[junior needle]

For flak alone you'll hit enough for onslaught at a medium distance, but I can check

[bitter turtle]

now u learn math nerd :^)

in any case

let me check exactly how much you need to drop a crusher

[tall torrent]

I'd still take either onslaught or rending strikes but not both

[junior needle]

What's the mod that lets you search your inventory

I need it

[white minnow]

stuff searcher

[raw steppe]

Keep in mind he doesnt have 20% ogryn dmg and deadshot

[bitter turtle]

i dont run dedshot either

[raw steppe]

So the TTK is even worse

[bitter turtle]

too sweaty for me

[junior needle]

You hit 100% unyielding modifier at 26m

So flak performance is the primary benefit

[tall torrent]

26m unyielding is perfectly fine, past that the gun doesn't shoot straight enough to be hitting full headshots on reapers anyway

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/6db61a0e35d3da2b49a20bb146f20d50.jpg

no crits

so like 23 bullet at worst (my clip is 56)

if u crit even once its below 20

[tall torrent]

as for flak performance, only enemy I think it would matter for are the 2 gunners

every other flak enemy tries to get close to u

[junior needle]

Flak is the most common armor type in the game, and it starts negative

Even just like 7m can get you to 90%

easy

[sonic marlin]

i didn't realize until now that crushers are ogryns

[raw steppe]

Talents

[sonic marlin]

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/a8898b3d1b8f7454a6ecb6a5eee81a52.jpg

ok i lied if u crit once its 20

[raw steppe]

And you also have to drop some headshots

Since its unrealistic to get 100% headshots

[bitter turtle]

even if i drop ogryn dmg

[sonic marlin]

95% is reasonable

[tall torrent]

ok but how many enemies actually require u to have high flak ADM to matter at longer ranges

that's the question

[bitter turtle]

its still 30 bullet

not 40

or even 35

[raw steppe]

Ye i think you're overestimating

[bitter turtle]

ok if i miss on purpose

and hit non-head

then its higher

but its a crusher

[raw steppe]

How good you are at hitting headshots in a real game

[bitter turtle]

wtf u mean you cant hit head reliably

[bitter turtle]

i play v7 so pretty gud i think

plus its a crusher

they're big

and slow

[tall torrent]

I don't think onslaught is a big enough difference vs the 2 gunners at long range, and up close once you reach 100% ADM it becomes drastically less effective anyways

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/24dd90018845486122a22012d4395deb.jpg

i drop ogryn dmg

[tall torrent]

you're only 4% off 100% flak ADM up close

[bitter turtle]

and thats no crits

its not that bad really

plus you SHOULD take ogryn dmg anyway

lol

[junior needle]

flak shooters, gunners are mostly flak, reapers have flak chests, both shotgunners are flak chests. Also if you want to shoot melee enemies before they get to you and shoot bosses at a longer distance.

[bitter turtle]

half a clip to kill 1 crusher even w/o ogryn dmg is fine, revolver takes almost half their clip to kill a crusher and nobody complains :^)

[tall torrent]

do they really survive long enough against a columnus that onslaught matters more than 10% rending

[untold mulch]

Half a clip

[bitter turtle]

yes, volver takes 2 shots out of 5

that's nearly half too

around the same ratio even if u run ogryn dmg

20 bullets out of 50 for me

[junior needle]

I thought we were talking about rending in general, not onslaught vs rending strikes

[raw steppe]

Seems wrong tbh are you tagging it with 8 stacks or something

[bitter turtle]

no tag

[sonic marlin]

but what do i get rid of in my build

[raw steppe]

Because the number is inconsistent with my testing

[tall torrent]

onslaught, unless u plan on magdumping crushers with columnus

[sonic marlin]

cuz i'm using ciag and psword

[sonic marlin]

i meaaaan

[bitter turtle]

idk i run keystoneless personally for ciag

[untold mulch]

I was more doing hte is not a clip is a mag

[bitter turtle]

ok sorry gun nerd

[untold mulch]

[bitter turtle]

it takes half my bullet box that i shove into the gun

[untold mulch]

I actually prefer it lmao

brain be weird

[untold mulch]

Oh 100%, but 🗿 idc

[tall torrent]

yea, rending/onslaught helps flak ADM at long range a lot
in practical applications none of the high priority flak targets at long range would really survive long enough for onslaught to kick in to make enough of a difference and that's why I don't recommend it

[bitter turtle]

idk

https://i.gyazo.com/61c6cdf3ab5783f4c2f0eb1d9b150dc9.jpg

this is the worst result i got

without like

missing

or something

on purpose

[raw steppe]

Yeah i mean you're just magdumping into the head

[bitter turtle]

so at the worst end its 35 for me

but that's w/o ogryn dmg

[raw steppe]

If you're able to do that you're probably able to melee it

[untold mulch]

Man, I ended up playing today with a friend

We both just did a single Damnation run and turned off the game

[bitter turtle]

if you crit at all its around 30

[tall torrent]

if we're just talking theory, have a flak enemy that's tanky enough who is a high priority target at long range, yes onslaught would be very valuable

[sonic marlin]

so do i get rid of rending for ogryn dmg for CIAG?

[raw steppe]

Most of the time when you shoot a crusher its because theres specials and mixed horde

[tall torrent]

but there's no such enemy in the game rn

[raw steppe]

So i dont think your 100% headshot is realistic

[bitter turtle]

i mean

you might as well say some dude might miss with the revolver in a panic situation and it actually takes 3 shots to a kill a crusher and not 2

not that ppl dont miss

[untold mulch]

Also have to take into account TTK

[bitter turtle]

but i dont think its a valid argument

[untold mulch]

Like how much time you take to pop 2-3 revolver shots

[bitter turtle]

also fwiw

since rending negates dmg dropoff

[untold mulch]

and how much to half the columnus?

[bitter turtle]

even at long range its about the same

though

ill admit

picking out a crusher's head at 20m+ away steadily

is less realistic

[untold mulch]

Dear lord

[bitter turtle]

its beautiful

[untold mulch]

Thats painful to watch in a funny way

[bitter turtle]

now that's how guns should work

[untold mulch]

The more I watch the more it hurts

is a memetic hazard

[tall torrent]

Unless u plan on magdumping crushers with columnus (a lot), onslaught just doesn't seem worth it to me

[agile forge]

what game even is that

[untold mulch]

I think is Postal

[midnight totem]

I think that's one of the postal games

[untold mulch]

which one exactly no clue

I only know the Can you sign my petition

[bitter turtle]

its not really an invalid way to play it

[idle swallow]

It's from the postal 2 beta, never made it to the final game

[bitter turtle]

no different than ppl who used recon that way pre nerf

[untold mulch]

Damn

[sonic marlin]

tbh if I have the opportunity I shoot them a little and when they get too close I melee them

[bitter turtle]

it outdpses recon on crusher for that matter

[untold mulch]

[bitter turtle]

so like

[untold mulch]

Fatshark balancing

[bitter turtle]

its actually better than

the gun that supposedly deserved beeg nerf

[tall torrent]

it's not a "bad playstyle", I just wouldn't recommend it cuz of the point sink

[bitter turtle]

since iirc recon carapace values were virtually unchanged

ah

ye that's fair

you give up something to do it

like keystone

[untold mulch]

The "deserved" part of Recon nerf was a design lead having a fit

for whatever the reason

[raw steppe]

Its a heavy sink too, 4 points

[bitter turtle]

most onslaught ciag builds ive made cant take a keystone or have to give up something else

its nice for brainless play tho

just point ciag at everything and it dies

lul

[junior needle]

"Why are people using the gatling laser over my personal favorite the helbores "

[untold mulch]

Look

[tall torrent]

the real winner of patch13 was vraks3 and people were just blind to it

[untold mulch]

At thsi rate

I believe you

This is leaked FS office logs

[bitter turtle]

wasnt v3 nerfed that patch

[junior needle]

It was, it's still good too

[bitter turtle]

the finesse

or

was that a different patch

idr

[tall torrent]

v3 got nerfed in 14 because it could dump crushers in 13

[bitter turtle]

oh

so that was the patch it was broken in

lul

[junior needle]

Crab said it went from like 18k potential dps to like 14k or something

post nerf

[bitter turtle]

@sonic marlin

https://i.gyazo.com/21a4083325b97fef57193cf10f3dab6c.png

u could do this

[junior needle]

He had a nice little video of him dumping a plague ogryn

[tall torrent]

u could unironically magdump crushers with v3 with just 15% rending and 20% ogryn dmg

[bitter turtle]

still lets you take the keystone

albiet with only 1 subnode

[junior needle]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1wUaYdMKK9GkZG/BevY2cGDX5nw?invite=cr-MSx1REksMTU3ODYzOTYwLA?mobilebypass=true

Here it is

[sonic marlin]

i thought about removing all of it, i don't even know if i need duck and dive

[bitter turtle]

duck and dfive is pointless if you'renot running deadshot

[tall torrent]

Honestly, I think if ur not using a breakpoint focused gun, target down is higher priority than RF

[bitter turtle]

you can remove the whole thing if you want

like it was discussed

im the first to say

its not bad at all

its good if you just wanna point the ciag at everything

but yeah it is a point investment

[sonic marlin]

cool, 4 new points, one goes to ogryn dmg, rest where, might try to boost melee a little

[bitter turtle]

4 pts could go to better nades

so its up to you

well

if you wanted to run rashad

u could drop focus target and go down wep specialist

with those extra pts

[tall torrent]

with 4 points u could grab the holy 10% melee dmg + agile engagement combo

[bitter turtle]

or that

https://i.gyazo.com/a1196baa8355f4127a317d6b45fd1b51.png

[tall torrent]

and have 1 point to spend into demo team

[sonic marlin]

its gonna take years till i get perfect rashad

[bitter turtle]

or ya do 10% melee and demo team

or hell do demo team and grenadier for meme nade build

idk if 10% melee helps your bps

[tall torrent]

I run this

[bitter turtle]

on psword i mean

honestly

i'd say

try wep specialist PERSONALLY

wep specialist psword is also disgusting

as in disgustingly good

basically removes the weakness of low mobility and the aspd boost turns you into a blender

wep specialist doesn't boost ciag that much but, a guaranteeed crit string never hurt anyone

[midnight totem]

Yes

[sonic marlin]

how do u even activate weapon specialist what is that

[untold mulch]

change weapon

[sonic marlin]

ah

[bitter turtle]

basically, if u kill 1 enemy with your ranged weapon, your melee weapon (when you swap to it) will have bonus attackspeed and dodge distance/speed

if you kill enemies with your melee weapon, you get a stacking crit/firing speed buff up to 10 times

[untold mulch]

I personally think is more a melee buff than a ranged one except for some weapons

Like pull up ranged, shoot a random mf

[tall torrent]

pretty much

[bitter turtle]

yeah the melee side is definitely the main draw

[untold mulch]

then have a lot of melee bonus

I personally wish both bonuses were as good

[tall torrent]

weapon specialist is very fun with laspistol and revolver, paired with power sword

[bitter turtle]

wep specialist is really good with v3 too

the guaranteed crit + fire rate lets you drop anything basically when you switch to it

[midnight totem]

And plasma gun

[bitter turtle]

you can really notice the bonus fire rate too

unlike a lot of guns

[untold mulch]

Revolver and plasma are the best because you get a guaranteed crit

[tall torrent]

plasma I tried WS, didn't feel as good as just taking middle keystone

[untold mulch]

Like hit 2-3 trash, and you can nuke whoever you want

[midnight totem]

Vraks 3 is also a guaranteed crit, but for three bullets, the whole burst

[untold mulch]

Hmm, Noted

I still stand

[midnight totem]

Add in deadly accurate on the vraks 3 as a blessing

[bitter turtle]

ya

that's why it works well

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plQkZWxDGQ4

[tall torrent]

especially because if u want WS, u would have to give up smth good like ogryn/monster or 15% elite

[bitter turtle]

i mean tbh i dont usually shoot at crushers with v3

but you can see the difference in ttk

[tall torrent]

both of which plasma wants

[untold mulch]

Melee keystone better for ""marksman"" weapons

Ranged Keystone better for "Magdump" weapons

GREAT DESIGN TEAM

[bitter turtle]

and how big the firespeed buff feels

[midnight totem]

Also, me running the weapon specialist, I also have agile engagement

25 percent damage bonus to other weapon for 5 seconds on kill

[placid portal]

me using agil engagement with lucius

[bitter turtle]

i actually dropped agile and 10% melee from the build lul

[placid portal]

[bitter turtle]

afterwards

[midnight totem]

I killed 10 ragers like that once

[bitter turtle]

though

ive been trying this tree out recently

[midnight totem]

Killed a few fodder wth the power sword, revolver headshot three of them

Swapped back to power sword, energize while dodging

[crystal dust]

is the bolter good again or is it still bad?

[terse idol]

Eh

[tall torrent]

if they ever do smth abt survivalist so left pathing isn't as important I'd prob just go straight 10% melee + AE + move speed aura

[terse idol]

It's tough

[midnight totem]

CHOPCHOP

[terse idol]

Remember why we're here in the first place

Weapon spec talents that specified too much on specific guns felt worse

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/5f5851803a5b7f243fea6c5eb7d3d44d.png

that's basically what im trying now

on v3/rashad lol

[untold mulch]

I still feel Weapon Spec works too much better for specific guns though

and IMO

[terse idol]

Oh sorr yI mean

Weapon Specilization keystones

[untold mulch]

"unfiltered opinion"

We haven't seen the old talents before they scrapped it

[bitter turtle]

totally not an excuse to just go infiltrate

[terse idol]

Weapon spec definetly works only for like heavy hitting guns

[untold mulch]

For all we know, they said it was terrible

and it wasn't

I don't trust them

[terse idol]

I mean

You gotta

We just don't know

We have Play testers Here

Like they exiiist

They talk here

[bitter turtle]

playtesters also told me that recon was "still really strong" after p14

a mod one no less

me no trust