veteran-class

[placid portal]

Need handcannon surgical to get 3 hit

[steep pier]

just be efficent

[placid portal]

I think getting the ogryn + elite dmg passive + carapace mighy push to 2 tap

[steep pier]

you can use a door to crush a crusher

[tulip condor]

If it doesn't and carapace isn't gonna help 2-3 tap it, I'd change the other blessing to T4

[steep pier]

same as you can use a door to crush a boss

[placid portal]

Yea just swap both blessings

[tulip condor]

Heh, sometimes door aren't available

[steep pier]

yes like in the assination missions

which sucks

i'd love to crush the target with a door for a laugh

[tulip condor]

Copy

[steep pier]

we got to see a boss die to a door earlier

[placid portal]

Even in death I still slay heretics as DOOR

Dor servitor will be awarded a war medal for slaying a monstrosity of chaos

[steep pier]

right here

the lesson door is overpowered

[spring spindle]

Hi yes

[tulip condor]

Would love if Monstrosities would spawn in Maelstrom

[spring spindle]

Doors are silly

[steep pier]

they can kill anythign in game

except us

problem

[placid portal]

Door is empra's will

[steep pier]

they aren't in boss rooms

[spring spindle]

Give that door servitor a raise

[steep pier]

lmao

what do you mean they don't spawn in maelstroms

[tulip condor]

Yea, the weakend ones

[steep pier]

ohhh

fair

aside from dh

[tulip condor]

Was thinking i'd be more fun during assassination mission spawn 1-2

[steep pier]

can you kill a dh with a door

that would be a power play

[tulip condor]

DH would make it VERY interesting

[steep pier]

but probably difficult

[tulip condor]

Ya, I think

[steep pier]

i'd love to see a dh killed by a door

[tulip condor]

It was a few months ago so not sure if that changed

[steep pier]

shield og would make that easier

[tulip condor]

I remember using relic on dh to push it of the bridge

[steep pier]

lmao

i charged a plague ogryn the other day as og on a bridge

it staggered and fell off

[tulip condor]

pretty sure why it changed to first and last pulse on bosses

Pfft

[steep pier]

rock also staggers bosses

but hitting dh with rock is hard

[tulip condor]

Could get a vet or more to use VoC to do it

Oh ya,

[steep pier]

that works to

voc has better knockback then the relic

[tulip condor]

Skinny and moves too much

[steep pier]

its also very quick

[tulip condor]

I think relic has more range but ya, less knockback

[steep pier]

it doesn't knock enemies down like voc does

sadly

but voc is one knock down only

relic is stagger

[tulip condor]

ah right

characterist is different

[steep pier]

fun fact

vet stealth doesn't breka if you underhand a grenade for some reason

but it does on a normal throw

[wise fossil]

hmmmmm

[steep pier]

but why

[junior needle]

Thou damage stat

[steep pier]

right

i like pg a lot

[wise fossil]

I have an 80% damage plasma, the difference is only 23 damage

[junior needle]

Look at the inspect screen

You will see the damage differential is bigger than that implies

[gilded wraith]

Recommendations on this one?

[steep pier]

solider is right

[tulip condor]

I'll keep that in mind. Making a stealth vet rn

[junior needle]

Especially for breakpoint determiners like crit and weakspot

[gilded wraith]

Haven't used the agripinaa much.

[steep pier]

krak or bleed grenade on vet

bleed gets 3 krak gets 2

[junior needle]

Fanning revolver? Kinda bad atm but replace run and gun for probably crucian and weakspot for flak

You for sure want those gone

[gilded wraith]

Thanks

[junior needle]

Hand cannon and maniacs are both great

[steep pier]

im thinking of using the revolver

for the no ammo penance

since the 50 ammo one

and hand cannon does really solid damage

also one of the revolver skins that psyker one didn't place the iron sights correctly

[wise fossil]

still only 49 damage

[junior needle]

It’s enough to mess up some breakpoints

Pg is very particular

[wise fossil]

which specifically? I'm testing in the psyk and it seems the same

[steep pier]

the green one

the green revolver skin

misplaced the iron sights

[wise fossil]

neither of them oneshot a dreg gunner with a headshot

[junior needle]

Wartide can give you a better answer, I’m not on my compooter atm

Although it’s not an exact either because it doesn’t take talents into account

[wise fossil]

sure sure

[junior needle]

Also you'd have to adjust for your own setup because something like 8 stack ping and redirect fire can compensate for lower damage values, but not everyone takes those

[odd island]

my revolver ;)

[tawny parcel]

Hey fellow vets! how should I change this sword?

[junior needle]

For maximum salvage value you'd replace thunderstrike with rampage and stam with flak

[quasi grotto]

^

[tawny parcel]

i was wondering why i saw people running shred on this sword for vet

i can understand for zealot but shred for vet?

[junior needle]

You can run shred instead of savage sweep for more single target damage

[quasi grotto]

no real value for it on vet tbh

[wise fossil]

crits get around the weak AP to some extent as well

[junior needle]

It doesn't quite have the zealot synergy

[wise fossil]

not great but it's okay

[quasi grotto]

small boosts of damage sometimes is outdone hugely by 36% for 5 seconds because you hit 3 things

[junior needle]

Its shred in addition to rampage

Ramp is still #1

[torpid mortar]

reminds me of the one I rolled earlier, which had (in my opinion) really favourable stats but shitty blessings and perks

still mad about it

[flint lake]

Rid of thunderstrike and stam

[steep pier]

finally got a 21% health

[flint lake]

Replace with rampage and flak as soldier said

[steep pier]

it was from the armory

[flint lake]

Gratz

[steep pier]

and saw a tier 3 blessing in armory today

thought it was only up to tier 2

[flint lake]

How does +2% feel?

Has it brought you fullfillment?

[steep pier]

i only use the 1 21%

then some extra wounds

[flint lake]

Wounds are the worst

[steep pier]

not on zealot

or og

[flint lake]

In certain builds

[steep pier]

but only having 2 is bad

on damn

[flint lake]

Only if you die

[steep pier]

lol

situational

[flint lake]

That’s some big brain

[steep pier]

typically i run 2 toughness and 1 21% health

17 17 21

[flint lake]

Stam is probably best in slot for vet

[steep pier]

i'll try that

so 17 21 3

i need 21s for my ogryn

but no luck

[tawny parcel]

why is stam considered the best?

[steep pier]

vet needs it ads

effectively

[tawny parcel]

dead shot?

[steep pier]

i use that a lot yeah

[flint lake]

More survivability and more stam for Deadshot

[steep pier]

deadshot is great

[flint lake]

Staggering in melee is based

[steep pier]

very

on ogryn i got 13 stam bars with my shovel

but i'll roll a 3 stam for my vet

[trim steppe]

Just played a match with 2 zoomie zealots who ignored every chest and material, so my slow ass had to scrounge every room they cleared

and fight off endless disablers from the director lol

[acoustic sapphire]

Let the rivers flow red.

Last mission, I saw my Ogryn buddy was about to lose his Toughness. So I sprinted to him, and we cleared the horde.
Threw a smoke bomb to throw the snipers off, and we cleared them all out. Great moment.

I'm thinking about replacing Flesh Tearer for Mercy Killer so I have more consistent damage.
What do y'all think?

[raw steppe]

it's actually quite good

shred and rampage are separate multipliers

and desperado pushes your crit multiplier from 1.8x ish to 2.1x ish

compare it to SS which doesn't affect damage at all

[silent adder]

What are some good perks to put in an infantry autogun?

[raw steppe]

flak maniac usually.

[silent adder]

flak armored enemies and maniacs, is that what you are sayin?

[timid otter]

crit chance

[frank basin]

The most common perk everyone use

Usually they say most enemies are maniac and flak

[silent adder]

I'm guessing flak armored are the guys that come at you with melee and axes?

and that are extra tanky

[serene sage]

yeah those can be either maniac and flak

if they are naked they are maniac

if they have armor they are flak

[frank basin]

You means ragers

[silent adder]

yeah, I think so

kinda don't have all their names memo

[frank basin]

Naked ragers are maniac despite they act crazy with dual wield melee

The rest chaff and trash or common enemies are unarmored or flak

[silent adder]

I see

[frank basin]

Except poxwalker are infested

[silent adder]

makes sense why everyone picks flak and maniac

[frank basin]

Yellow enemies are unarmored

The Dreg

[timid otter]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/enemies

[frank basin]

Armored are flak

The scab

Unfortunate this is like meta pick

Flaniac are meta pick

The rest just become mediocre for community

[timid otter]

i think crit chance isbetter then maniacs on colomnus inf

[frank basin]

5% is not much.

[timid otter]

its not 5%

crit strings

[frank basin]

Ah the Deadshot

[timid otter]

no

crit strings

[frank basin]

Kk

[timid otter]

it crits multiple times in a row after a crit

[frank basin]

Is not gonna produce that frequently crits string yeah?

[timid otter]

4 times for colomnus

[silent adder]

I mean, it's to be expected that at the end of the day some choices are much more useful than others and since this is a PvE game there is little need for shaking up things

[frank basin]

Perk is not diverse for me

They like useless told by community

[silent adder]

Are they useless?

[frank basin]

Most perk yes

Only few perk are useful on certain weapon

[silent adder]

oh ok

[frank basin]

Like elite/carapace/unyielding

[silent adder]

for a moment I thought you were saying all perks are useless

[frank basin]

Bad perk like weakspot/stamina/crits damage

Sprint efficiency

Community decide these serve no purpose for them.

[silent adder]

what are the chances that the devs decide to rework or revamp perks? I'm guessing close to none

[frank basin]

Is damage crept afterall

[frank basin]

Probably

[stable socket]

8% groaner/poxwalker ranged damage is a joke

[wanton dawn]

Deadshot is pretty good on columnus cuz of the crit string and crit modifier, but it does consume lot of stam

[raw steppe]

Crit chance would be better than maniacs if deadshot didnt exist. But sadly Deadshot exists so the 5% is not better

[timid otter]

Deadshot isnt always active

[silent adder]

what is deadshot?

[frank basin]

You have to aim downsight all time

[raw steppe]

You can activate it at will

[frank basin]

When you ADS you get 25% crits chance and 60% sway reduction

but consume 0.75 stamina per shot

[raw steppe]

You dont need to ADS all the time but you can ADS whenever you want

[frank basin]

I meant all time when you want proc higher crits

[wanton dawn]

In fact, without deadshot it is hard to exploit columnus huge crit mod

Going from 5% to 30% is a huge difference on a string crit gun

[frank basin]

Columnus has downside usage for me; the recoil is so high

[raw steppe]

I was able to solve 100% of the stamina issues with 36% stamina regen, tag keystone stamina regen and duck and dive

[wanton dawn]

Deadshot also reduce sway

[raw steppe]

Deadshot solves that too

[frank basin]

Oh

[raw steppe]

Deadshot colum is absolutelt disgusting

You just have to make sure you never get caught out by horde

[frank basin]

Maybe I don’t run Deadshot on machine gunner loadout

[raw steppe]

Cuz if you get stuck with 0 stam you're dead

[frank basin]

Or chaff enemy sneaking behind you

[raw steppe]

But its very easy because you have so much firepower

[wanton dawn]

Though deadshot columnus has some hard trade off to make

[raw steppe]

Yep

Onslught vs 3-4 nodes of good shit

Its a hard choice

[frank basin]

Did Columnus become power crept?

[raw steppe]

I go back and forth

[timid otter]

defintely

[wanton dawn]

Hell no

Power creeped

[raw steppe]

Its mainly crit strings and deadshot being overpowered

Colum is just the engine

To deliver

[frank basin]

What’s different crept and creeped?

[wanton dawn]

Power crept means other gun became brtter

It is past tense

[frank basin]

Oh

[stable socket]

columnus is up there as one of the strongest guns, probably the only stuff that could theoretically compare would be some kind of infinite piercing gun with a giant projectile radius, that could 1SHS gunner and every specialist while also performing extremely well against carapace

[timid otter]

AOE weapons are op unforunately for the veteran they dont have any.

[silent adder]

Guess I'll just take flak armor and maniac lol, I got no idea what you guys are talking about. It's ok tho, I'm playing level 2 difficulty for now although I think I might try level 3 soon.

[wanton dawn]

Well again, you could use "it power crept other stuff" but in general you imply "it got power crept by other stuff"

[timid otter]

Ok ill put it this way

Without deadshot you can put 5% crit chance on the colomnus and reach 30% crit chance total

[wanton dawn]

Guess what ? Langage is complicated and some implicit form get mixed up with real meaning

[acoustic sapphire]

I recommend Maniacs, and Unarmored. Those will be the most common enemies you fight, so you'll do more damage over all.
The armored enemies can be overcome with weak spot hits, and grenades.

[timid otter]

With deadshot the colomnus without crit chance perk is at like 62.5% crit chance

Then deadshot with crit chance is around 67.5% crit chance

[wanton dawn]

Your math is weird

[timid otter]

Ye im lazy and didnt do the actual math, just looked at the graph

[wanton dawn]

Because of crit string, deadshot is better than straight 25% crit chance on columnus

[timid otter]

Ye so 10% becomes 30%

[frank basin]

Man if bleed bypass armor it would be overkill?

[wanton dawn]

Lemme see if i can math right

[timid otter]

I think we are on the same page

Just language confusion.

[frank basin]

Language barrier

[white minnow]

this is the formula i developed for the effective crit chance

i'm pretty sure it's correct
I also did a basic simulation and it roughly matches up

the formula is a basic (# of critical shots)/(# of total shots)

[frank basin]

Did you take math Major in college?

[white minnow]

nah i'm still on college

i took a basic stats class and that was all

[frank basin]

I got kicked out long ago

I’m collegeless

I know no math

[white minnow]

my logic for the formula

[wanton dawn]

I think you need to have same amount of shot still

Otherwise it is biased

But makes formula harder

Probably need to monte carlo that shit

[timid otter]

Could just find the source code?

[wanton dawn]

Doesnt help calculate prob

[timid otter]

It has to be programmed somewhere.

[wanton dawn]

Lemme try smth. But i need to get out of bed

2s

I will just do an excel

[frank basin]

Destiny 2 mention

[white minnow]

there doesn't seem to be any normalization/accounting for the fact that crit strings exist so there won't be a neat formula for it in the source code

stuff like monte carlo is far beyond me but this is what i had as a test

[frank basin]

Do you have computer science class?

[white minnow]

ye

am studying for a comp eng bachelor's

[frank basin]

What’s cs had content?

Like what it does have?

I’m kinda guy looking forward for game development

(I used to say myself I want be game designer)

[white minnow]

i'll get back to you in a bit since i have some hw due in an hour xd

[frank basin]

Oof

Kk I’ll see you there

[raw steppe]

Good luck

The industry is so ass rn

Try to get an internship

So you can get a job

[frank basin]

What’s different with internship and apply job?

[raw steppe]

Internship is like cheat code

[frank basin]

So just view how’s the workplace like?

[raw steppe]

No

Usually internship conversion is a way easier way to get a job

Than the normal way

[frank basin]

You saying the workplace people going review my skill how I perform?

Or internship meant for get experience in workplace

[serene sage]

both

internship usually last for a few months for you to get your foot in the door and pad your resume

in the end though you might convert to full time

[frank basin]

So like lite-employee?

Free-Trial job

[blissful flame]

sorry to derail, but opinions on a mk1 devil claw? https://i.imgur.com/83ddUr8.png

[raw steppe]

Brick imo

[blissful flame]

fair enough, i don't really know what stuff is good for a sword like this, but i gambled on concecrating it cause it was an alright base roll

[frank basin]

I haven’t use mk1 long ago

[wanton dawn]

I have setup the thing in Excel but it is a pain to extend so now I am trying to check if I can make the formula extensible

I KNOW, I can make scan return an array and sum it at the end !

does not work. Crap, need to think again...

[frank basin]

Good luck

[wanton dawn]

Anyway, I did the calculation without easy extensibility: 30% crit on deadshot would give on average a bit more than 60% crit on columnus. I am basically running a 30% crit scenario on a array of 100 value, then I throw any crit that would proc during a sequence

And now I need to simplify

[faint jetty]

block eff -> flak, skullcrusher -> shred or whatever else u want. Go murder heretics after that

[wanton dawn]

the question is : how much crit do you actually get with deadshot on columnus because of the crit string ?

The answer is: way more than advertised

Deadshot on columnus is more than 50% crit increase from base

[hard briar]

schizo posting

dude. how can it be 50% when it clearly states its only 30%.

fatshark never has unintended interactions like this in their games. ever

Your just crazy Craime

[wanton dawn]

I mean... it kinda is intended

[hard briar]

totally

this wasnt a thing before until now.

so its intended

[wanton dawn]

Yes it is: you apply crit to a shot, then the next X shot crit at 100%

This is the crit string mechanism

[hard briar]

Melkbased propaganda

[white minnow]

queen is joshing around

[wanton dawn]

I am insensitive to humor when I am making program formula

[white minnow]

😔

[wanton dawn]

Look at this crap, you think this is FUNNY ?! ```=LET(crit,30%,
string,4,
shot,100,
base_array,MAKEARRAY(shot+string-1,1,LAMBDA(x,y,IF(x<=string,0,RAND()<crit))),
MAKEARRAY(shot+string-1,1,LAMBDA(x,y,IF(x<=string,0,SUM(CHOOSEROWS(E$109:E$211,SEQUENCE(string,1,x+1-string,1)))))))

[white minnow]

i don't know excel so that looks very deranged to me

[wanton dawn]

AND I DON'T KNOW HOW TO MAKE THE E109:E211 PART EXTENSIBLE

[timid otter]

Ive no idea which damnable code this is.

[wanton dawn]

IT DRIVES ME CRAZY

[hard briar]

nicw try

[white minnow]

tragic 😔 😔 😔 😔 😔 😔

[wanton dawn]

Excel

[timid otter]

Ew

[hard briar]

your "code" cant explain nothing to me

im smoking that ibm super computer

[timid otter]

Why does it have so many chicken wings

[wanton dawn]

Imagine using Python for that

[hard briar]

Craime is trying lead is astray

[white minnow]

:(

[hard briar]

with his Crit String Theory

but we all know that the Emperor of Mankind made decides what crits and what doesnt

he's a heretic, this craime guy.

[wanton dawn]

Anyway, I am interested now because now I need to see if I can do a sequence of N term in Excel in a dynamic formula

[hard briar]

N term

[wanton dawn]

Implying what you are implying is wasist

Anyway, I need this in a dynamic array as the fourth term. Not that I expect any of yah to understand why: =--AND(RAND()<0.3,SUM(A1:A3)=0)

I use this to clean up my crit sequence

[white minnow]

i already have no idea what the double hyphens are for so i'm off to a great start

[wanton dawn]

Firt hyphen convert boolean (true/false) to -1/0. 2nd convert it to 1/0

[serene sage]

What are we doing?

[thick flint]

me personally I play the game instead

[wanton dawn]

Calculating deadshot true crit chance on columnus

[timid otter]

He wants to try to find an accurate formula.

[white minnow]

mrcraime made the tragic decision to do this in excel

[serene sage]

oh wtf

[frank basin]

Long text

[serene sage]

I did the simulation in R if you want to try running it?

[wanton dawn]

Actually I don't. I have a monte carlo and I now need to make the Excel formula applicable to all case

[frank basin]

https://youtu.be/TXPC2HXjrYU?si=qcTuOAbRO9nsSZ6t

[wanton dawn]

Cuz my "formula" is just a setup for a montecarlo simulation. Aka throw lot of shit randomly at a wall and see what stick in the right circle

Am not sure if you can calculate in O(1)

probably no

In any case, when am done I will give the formula for you to test so you ppl can try to tell me how wrong i am.

Right now it is ugly as crap

[frank basin]

@white minnow still doing hw?

[wanton dawn]

Here's what it looks like visually:

[white minnow]

nah i'm collating a list of what my school's coursework looks like

[wanton dawn]

bottom part is cleanup crit, top part is applying crit sequence. Crit are green

I am doing 100 simulation with 100 shot

And I wanna integrate bottom part directly into the top part cuz otherwise it is a pain to extend

Also I cannot vet for the quality of the random generator in Excel but at this point I am like: fuck it

[white minnow]

this is what the core of my comp engineering coursework looks like

you can probably ignore a lot of the stuff here if you're just doing game dev

[frank basin]

So what’s compare deadshot on top and bottom without Deadshot but 5% crit perk?

[frank basin]

Calculus 💀

I don’t think I can handle it

[white minnow]

so far I haven't been screwed by forgetting most of my calculus in my future classes

forgetting my linear algebra has screwed me over though

[frank basin]

Muh brain like ogryn of autistic

I barely remember stuff like math

[white minnow]

same

i take notes to compensate for my extremely horrid memory using a program called OneNote

[frank basin]

Jesus game developement just like nasa level

I said to myself like kid wish be astronaut

This kinda not over but is feel like it and am not sure about if I can handle cs

Just for game development

Or game design?

[timid otter]

Game design probably doesnt go through as much math

Arco took computer science

Science means math

[frank basin]

Game design just more of idealist and I means they split multiple field rather singular design, e.g: level design, system design, Combat design. I took advice from Tim Cain a retired game creator of Fallout 1.

Tim Cain quote “I don’t care when you are game designer have idea whenever i come up, all i want you do is make game. That’s it just know how make game”

[white minnow]

yeah the game design major at my school seems to have a bunch of CMPM (computational media) courses compared to the CSE and ECE that i'm primarily taking

[frank basin]

I’m not sure does Texas offer those kind

I only found they have this https://www.hccs.edu/programs/areas-of-study/art--design/digital-gaming--simulation/

[wanton dawn]

No: bottom I am removing all crit that happens 3 shot or less after preceeding crit

Basically, the bottom part show the start of a crit sequence.

[white minnow]

ohhhh

[wanton dawn]

If you don't do that you could have crit sequence starting mid sequence

Which would make deadshot EVEN better

[white minnow]

shame that they had the foresight to prevent that

[wanton dawn]

Well, I have not confirmed it yet. I just assumed it work like that

[frank basin]

Hmm

[wanton dawn]

I mean, if anything i am trying to make deadshot look worse than what it might be

[frank basin]

Can you simplify the bottom?

[wanton dawn]

meaning ?

[frank basin]

I can’t wrap my head around you explaining the bottom crits sequences

[white minnow]

it probably works that way since the crit strings i've seen have from the columnus always been some multiple of 4

[frank basin]

Are dark yellow are weakspot critsV

[wanton dawn]

Basically: you have "true" crit and "string" crit. "True" crit causes the next 3 shot to be "string" crit, but a "string" crit cannot create another "string" crit. During a string, "true" crit cannot happens

[white minnow]

(12 consecutive crits)

[frank basin]

I see

[wanton dawn]

So my bottom table only show "true" crit

[frank basin]

True crits are from stats base?

No modifier

[wanton dawn]

Not really

It is a math trick

[frank basin]

K

[junior needle]

The oranges are regular weakspot hits, crit weakspots are still yellow

[frank basin]

Aye

[wanton dawn]

I have to remove some "true" crit because a "true" crit is overriden by a "string" crit

[white minnow]

people playing this game who have domain knowledge in programming and stats are eating good

[wanton dawn]

In fact, the reason why it is hard to calculate columnus real crit is because string messes everything up

[frank basin]

I have no knowledge about crits theory

[wanton dawn]

The only reason it might be possible to write a formula down is because columnus only has up to 60 bullets

[frank basin]

I prefer simplify a lot

[wanton dawn]

So you could write the 60 terms

[timid otter]

I did about 300 hours of programming but its not enough

[white minnow]

my method just handwaved it through some intro level stats (# of crit shots)/(# of total shots)

[wanton dawn]

TBF this is montecarlo in a nutshell

[white minnow]

oh neat

[wanton dawn]

Montecarlo is literally: "do it enough you will see the pattern"

https://tenor.com/view/monte-carlo-sampling-gif-22190999

[serene sage]

sir, that's data dregging

and that's not proper science

[frank basin]

What is true crits? And what is string crits (again I need remind)

[wanton dawn]

Sir, that's the law of large number. Deal with it.

[wanton dawn]

Those are my terms, you won't find them elsewhere

[frank basin]

Alright

[timid otter]

Crit strings is the term usally used.

[frank basin]

Just need clarification

[timid otter]

Its that when a weapon crits it crits multiple times in a row.

[white minnow]

string cheese

[frank basin]

I tend forget many times

[timid otter]

Ex colomnus crits 4 times in a row after a crit procs

[wanton dawn]

Also that's rich knowing that physicist always round their result

[frank basin]

Yeah that’s simple to hear.

[wanton dawn]

What I call "true" crit is a crit that initiate a string sequence

And it cannot happens during a string of crit

it is overriden

[frank basin]

So a First crits

[wanton dawn]

Yeah yeah, we would know if programmer were good at naming things

[frank basin]

Programmer made crits mechanic kinda rng feel

[dusty nacelle]

It's basically the same thing heavy has with random crits
When heavy gets a singular random crit, it ends up being continuous crit shots for his minigun for a few seconds
and basically the extra crits in that string of bullets can't start another random crit chain

at least i think idk lol

[frank basin]

There’s random crits mechanic in Darktide?

[potent iris]

well crit is rng yeah

[timid otter]

A random chance to crit.

[potent iris]

some abilities give you guaranteed crits but at a base level crits are random

[frank basin]

The ability able override random crits to guarantee crits?

[wanton dawn]

String crit are a form of guarantee

[dusty nacelle]

The tldr is that weapons with crit strings are basically their version of singular crit shots

Like TF2's 1 random crocket on soldier vs heavy's crit chain when he crits on his minigun

[frank basin]

Yeah

[wanton dawn]

Also recon string crit do not proc shocktropprr

[potent iris]

common recon lasgun L

[frank basin]

Did that nerf long ago?

[wanton dawn]

Depend. By fatshark update schedule ? Yes

By patch ? No

[frank basin]

So update schedule not guarantee by patch?

[wanton dawn]

I am mocking them

It was just a few patch ago. But it has already been months

[frank basin]

Kk

[timid otter]

Some guy in the office at FS said that they need a moment to do something. Then it took him longer then a moment to do that and that is how the entire office of fatshark began to misunderstand how seconds, minutes, hour, weeks, months work.

Since then getting an update in a month in FS time scales means to get it in 4 months.

[frank basin]

Yeah…

[junior needle]

They not only did this, but also gutted the amount of crits you got in a string. Just to add insult to injury.

[wanton dawn]

Anyway, take deadshot on columnus

[frank basin]

So 10% crits chance (perk and talent) bad?

[junior needle]

“Oh btw here’s a higher cap on infernus, enjoy stacking with your reduced crit strings”

[wanton dawn]

25% dmg vs armor are impossible to beat. They are overtuned compared to the rest

[junior needle]

Or the rest are just undertuned

Depending on how you want to view it

(Weakspot damage, crit damage)

[frank basin]

I tried combine the open shot 10% crits on 10% rounds in magazine and perk talent crits rest of it

That make 20% (on full mag)

[wanton dawn]

25% actually. You have 5% base

[frank basin]

Neato

[wanton dawn]

Alright, I managed to make an extensible formula for Excel: ```=LET(crit,30%,
string,4,
shot,100,
base_crit_array,MAKEARRAY(shot,1,LAMBDA(x,y,--(RAND()<crit))),
crit_sequence,SCAN(REPT(">",string-1),base_crit_array,LAMBDA(a,b,a&IF(AND(b=1,ISERROR(FIND("X",RIGHT(a,string-1)))),"X",IF(ISERROR(FIND("X",RIGHT(a,string-1))),0,"-")))),
full_sequence,RIGHT(INDEX(crit_sequence,shot),shot),
crit_number,LEN(full_sequence)-LEN(SUBSTITUTE(full_sequence,0,"")),
(shot-crit_number)/shot)

This simulate a 100 ammo mag with 30% crit and 4 crit string

Paste it a hundred time and average the result

[agile forge]

Praise the Omnissiah

[wanton dawn]

Oh snap, I forgot to replace the 3

2s

[agile forge]

Fuck the Omnissiah

[wanton dawn]

The conclusion is: calculating crit chance on columnus is complicated

The more interesting conclusion is: columnus base crit chance on a 50 ammo mag is about 16%. With deadshot it jumps to about 63%

[agile forge]

Pretty cool. I was running it with Deadshot before I was advised not to here

And it was feeling a lot stronger than without

Was also running MF with it

[wanton dawn]

I would not run MF with it

[agile forge]

I will try to get more stamina curios and go back to the Deadshot build

[wanton dawn]

because if you take target down you get stam regen

[agile forge]

But it's so funny

[wanton dawn]

I agree, but i think focus target improved stam regen is hard to pass

[wanton dawn]

This stuff, see wym ?

[agile forge]

I find when I use CIAG I don't get much chance to tag shit because I mow it all down too fast. Additionally, I just really want a MF build.

My other vet is a Focus Target plasma, and I just want to differentiate my gameplay

[wanton dawn]

Your choice champ

[agile forge]

I can see that your way might be stronger

But, death laser bullet hose

I have that one blessing that makes you autododge while sprinting and am thinking about taking the talent that refunds stamina on dodge

And I am trying to farm +3 stamina curios to complete the meme build

[wanton dawn]

Well you probably want at least one of target down and duck n dive with deadshot columnus

Otherwise you won't be able to maintain crit chance

[agile forge]

You do shit away all of your stamina in a couple of seconds

Is passive stamina regeneration a flat rate, or proportional to your total stamina?

[wanton dawn]

It is a flat rate. Also do not work when ads (because of deadshot ofc)

[agile forge]

Biggest oof.

So you need some kind of proportional stamina regeneration from talents to make it worthwhile then

[wanton dawn]

yup. Hence why i recommend target down

even if you forget to apply it, it will stack passively up to 25% stam regen on elite kill

and allies can proc it too, for instance when you reload

[agile forge]

I may try a focus target version but throne that keystone is boring

Strong but dullllllllll

[naive aurora]

Ey buds any1 know which talents I should be going for a lasgun build

[wanton dawn]

I did some test IG. I think I got I am close to the the reality:

WIth a lower size mag your crit string being interrupted early hurt more

Another point I found: after 30% crit you are hitting dimishing return territory

so deadshot alone is the most bang for your bucks, bringing alone +50% crit chance on columnus from base

[sonic marlin]

some decent stuff today, if only the columnus had better perks/blessings

ah damn that crit is bad

are any of the tactical axes good? Don't own BM for them, only for combat axes

[agile forge]

Nope!

[sonic marlin]

[agile forge]

Bad weapon class that needs a buff

Bromentum wouldn't trigger on it anyway lol

[elder fiber]

They're fine on vet just make sure you got anti carapace options

The crit on that mk7 isn't a big deal if you keep shred, rn I think people mostly run double power blessings on them tho

[frank basin]

Headtaker and slaughter?

[elder fiber]

They don't get slaughter lol so deci

[frank basin]

Deci is quite risk reward for me land hit on enemy never miss

[elder fiber]

Its mostly for hordes so even if you miss it'll build up quick enough

[frank basin]

Hmmm

[elder fiber]

but also shred bromentum is "fine" and for that milk shop one you can just swap perks to flak maniac or w/e

[tropic imp]

TA 2 is pretty good, works great with bromentum

I'd grab the axe just to get bromentum 4

[novel merlin]

what primaries yall taking for damnation ive been riding the plasma gun train for too long

nothing is as good so far

[umbral garnet]

Of course nothing compares to it, it's plasma

I've been using Helbore and Ia Infantry Las

[novel merlin]

i keep trying to like the bolter but it needs a helbore bayonet duct taped on

[gusty bison]

U mean secondaries :P

But pretty much every gun works

Recon is notably more effort but still works

But yea plasma is just braindead easy and teaches some bad habits

So other guns will take some getting used to

[rancid ginkgo]

yo guys, you know if the shovel blessings are interchangable?

if i get a blessing on mk3 can i put it on mk7?

[gusty bison]

Yrd

Yes

[rancid ginkgo]

❤️

[ruby oriole]

hello friends 😄 Im back after a year

so I just eqipped a new helmet I got and my head disappeared.. what heresy is this?

[torn needle]

Hadron my beloved

[novel merlin]

[gusty bison]

Bug in loading the cosmetic

Try turning it off and on again

[thick wolf]

I hate Hadron

all high on stats, and she just bricks it

[umbral scaffold]

If you run headhunter and deadly, and replace ranged damage against zombies with flak/maniac you wouldn’t have a half bad crit machine

On that first lasgun

[bold belfry]

Anyone got a build for shotguns with manstopper? I don't play much veteran so idk what skills are good atm

[wanton dawn]

Am gonna post the deadshot columnus finding on reddit, wish me luck or not, idc

[trim hemlock]

[rancid ginkgo]

not bad not great

[trim hemlock]

I kind of wish it didn't get Maniac

I wanted Elites/Carapace/maybe Flak

[rancid ginkgo]

this is how i run mine, tho i would wish i had decimator instead of thunderstrike

[hybrid token]

i think this is by far the most busted weapon in the game and it flys under the radar so hard lmao

[idle swallow]

I mean it's good for spraying down hordes and closer elites but plasma is just a brain dead laser delete button from anywhere

[elder fiber]

agrippa brauto been good for the game's entire lifespan

[idle swallow]

Not saying it's bad but plasma is overshadowing

[elder fiber]

agri brauto gonna be there after plasma nerfs, gonna be there after the imperium falls

[idle swallow]

Ye I'm not doing plasma loadouts cuz I can see the writing on the walls (and it's kinda boring after using it for a bit)

[elder fiber]

its a fun change of pace with weapon master and never having to reload sometimes

[agile forge]

I saw that post and knew it was you lol

[wanton dawn]

I kinda said it

[muted knot]

Hot take: it's a straight downgrade compared to agri Iag

[wanton dawn]

Id be pleasantly surprised if someone actually analyze the formula

[agile forge]

Too traumatised after dropping out of second year university maths lol, somebody else can do that

[wanton dawn]

Well, tbf the concept is basically : "its too hard, so lets just throw shit at enough wall and see what stick on average"

Only half-joking

[muted knot]

16 small tins 5 larges and 3 crates

[hybrid token]

i bring the ammo aura, they hand over the tins

[muted knot]

Real classy pfp btw

[hybrid token]

thanks my friend drew it for me

[muted knot]

How long was that game?

That 1200 lesser enemy's killed

Auric maelstrom ?

[hybrid token]

i mean i do 900 - 1000 lessers with 1 million damage on average every game lol

that one was a bit above average

but not wildly

[muted knot]

That sounds like you are staying in game too long

[hybrid token]

1 million damage 34 minutes

[wanton dawn]

I confirm this is impressive to see for real

[muted knot]

@hybrid token in chat: " bit chaotic"

[woeful ibex]

Tempestus Scions Backpack Datamine

[hybrid token]

1 million damage 30 minutes

[hybrid token]

yeah the other 3 guys went down like 3 or 4 times each in the final event lol

it was fucking pandemonium

they kept alt f4ing every time they went down lol

[muted knot]

Sycorax with a bad team is so annoying

[hybrid token]

i like sycorax

maybe in my top 3

[untold mulch]

People alt-f4ing are so gonna cause us trouble later

[wanton dawn]

I dont like repair mission big open area

[hybrid token]

newest map is my favorite

[wanton dawn]

My favorite is the archives with revolving door

[hybrid token]

sycorax

tunes a banger

[wanton dawn]

The one i like least... probably ascension

[hybrid token]

i have sound effects set to 30% and music to 100%

i dont like some of the sandy maps

well i do like them

but theyre rough with pugs

coz the spawns are all over

[wanton dawn]

Lot of open area

Ye

Not great for agri brauto

[hybrid token]

nah

theres nowhere in this game thats long enough range that i cant kill them easily with it

couple of long bridges maybe

[wanton dawn]

It is more about enemy ranged splitting in different cover

[hybrid token]

i can see them through cover,

[wanton dawn]

Which tbf, is an issue for most setup

[hybrid token]

so im just run at em

lel

[wanton dawn]

'Igth, i am gonna play some bolta

Or deadshot columnus

[hybrid token]

i should record more runs

only reocrded 2 and one of them i was lagging like crazy for the first 5 minutes lol

and the other i was playing memefiltrate

[untold mulch]

memefiltrate?

[hybrid token]

stealth ult

[untold mulch]

yeah but why meme?

[hybrid token]

coz its not great

[fathom grail]

The “hmmm that’s a whole lottta not my problem” ult

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1yCRfrt-39jkLr/d1337bNDZNhT?invite=cr-MSxTOFosMTczOTM4NDQ3LA

[chrome pumice]

im confuse as hell. how do I trigger sustained fire on Hellbore lasgun?

[muted knot]

By shooting back to back?

[wanton dawn]

Well, what you know, I did not knew that crit modifier still existed on some weapion

So bolter reach 15% crit on ads base

You really should not be magdumping with that gun

[agile forge]

Can't hear you over the sound of my Bolter magdumping

[toxic leaf]

red mist everywhere

nothing more satisfying than a bolter (or ripper) mag dump

[agile forge]

Clicking your Plasma or Zarona once and having your kill feed bug out is up there

I love when the shitgunners decide to clown car it

[elder fiber]

tbf if I were an elite gunner I'd probably fuck up and clowncar into a 1tap too

[tall torrent]

Isn’t Boltgun only +5% when ads

[wanton dawn]

yes, I am starting to get tired

[ripe totem]

I once had a flak vest club guy have his head wedged on some floor and gmod like slenderman after getting zarona'd

[wanton dawn]

It is a bit exhausting that you need to fight to get those information out

[tall torrent]

How do u get 15% then

5% veteran
5% Boltgun ads

Where’s the other 5%

[wanton dawn]

I said yes, it is only +5% when ads

I counted 10%, probably because I went: 5 base + 5 ads so 10 and added it back to the base

As I said, tired

[tall torrent]

Oh lol

[sharp ember]

hold up

there’s crit chance for aiming?

[wanton dawn]

Someone posted that: https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1anf2xr/comment/kps0l4u/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

Though the interpretation of crit string seems slightly incorrect

But I guess it would be mistranslation of the code. This is why coders are so pedantic: 1 misinterpretation and everything blows up

[umbral tide]

Feeling like a gremlin with deadshot and +5% crit skills and this shotgun

[hollow ibex]

manstopper + scattershot memes

[paper furnace]

i like the bleed variation more

MORE DOTS

[hollow ibex]

i use the bleed version on lawbringer

only vet shotgun worth taking flechette on tbh

i'm still a bit torn on the best option for man/scatter memes

[bitter turtle]

Bleed only works o n the first target hit for kant fireshot

It's not that impressive on kant

[hollow ibex]

yeah very disappointing

[wanton dawn]

DAMN

That the LAST time I play vault spire maelstrom with low lvl

I always get taken hostage on this map

Everytime I get 1m+ dmg and every time I feel like dying

[obsidian umbra]

how good are the head hunter autos as an option vs carpace/crushers?

[slender turtle]

Is uncanny worth taking over limbsplitter on a foldable shovel

[sharp ember]

it's very good, gives a small damage bump up against flak, and greatly increases your damage against carapace

makes the folded spike hit a lot harder

[slender turtle]

But can you still one shot mutants without limbsplitter

[sharp ember]

it's a damage up in general actually, each extra rending past 100% damage modifier turns into bonus damage at a 1/4 ratio

you probably can with a good roll and you spike em in the face

[slender turtle]

I have a 370 something shovel with 3/4ths of the things you want. Only blemish it has is bonus to crit damage

Which I want to say isn't bad on a melee vet and I swear that isn't copium, I swear

[bitter turtle]

what's your other blessing

[slender turtle]

Decimator t4

[bitter turtle]

i'd take uncanny personally but yes, you will lose some oneshots

tbh

while limbsplitter is FINE

i think thrust is much better

and it can kinda? Help with hordes

[slender turtle]

I tried with thrust, it just doesn't do it for my spam happy playstyle.

[bitter turtle]

well

just depends on hwo much you value your mutie oneshot

u can still do it with a heavy

without limb

the nice thing about uncanny is its a pretty significant damage increase when stacked even against hordes, not just elites

since scab/dreg melee is usually troublesome

[tall torrent]

Only really for bruisers in horde

[bitter turtle]

yeah

but those are the most troublesome ones

[novel stone]

What are the best blessings on vraks Mk3? Someone told me before but lost the scree shot

I want headhunter and something else

[bitter turtle]

headhunter + deadly accurate

https://i.gyazo.com/14f4d3be301d408710bf8f95b177e017.jpg

this is what you want

[novel stone]

That's what it was, thx

I got an amazing rolled mk3 so I wanted to use it correctly

Use a real man's rifle

[bitter turtle]

its fun

[low kelp]

I want to try columnus V. What should I go for when building it? What talents sync up well with it?

[wanton dawn]

flak for sure, then dumdum

[low kelp]

Also is there another good rapid fire but accurate gun I can use? I've been using plasma gun for so long and want to try something else lol

[ebon umbra]

laspistol

[wanton dawn]

agri brauto

just don't brace

Not a sniping weapon though

[hybrid token]

everything is a sniping weapon with exe stance

[low kelp]

Alright now to see hadron ruin it

[hybrid token]

robo jesus take the wheel

[low kelp]

:(

[wanton dawn]

[hollow ibex]

Hardon moment

[low kelp]

second attempt even worse

[hollow ibex]

Nah

At least deathspitter isn’t trash

It’s technically still salvageable

[hollow ibex]

If you get dumdum

[low kelp]

nope :(

[wanton dawn]

RIP

[hollow ibex]

Oh rip

[low kelp]

Last attempt. Shame about stopping power but if I replace speedload with dumdum?

[wanton dawn]

sad stopping power but salvageable rest

[low kelp]

Yea I'll have to grind out a better one. but Replace speedload with dum dum and ranged specialist damage with ?

Never even used columnus before

[wanton dawn]

maniac is good choice. Otherwise unyielding is another good choice

flaks is the most important on columnus

[polar kayak]

is 5% toughness in a curio really worth it?

[hollow ibex]

not really imo

better to take damage resist against specific enemies you have problems with

[low kelp]

Does this work on toughness regen from all sources?

[tiny summit]

Idk most of the curio perks are personal and inconsequential

[stone folio]

how important is stopping power on IAG?

[tiny summit]

Should be. Anything that says toughness replenish like ET and CK

[low kelp]

stopping power is anti armor sooo

[tiny summit]

Just don't let it be your dump stat.

[wanton dawn]

stopping power is as important as damage or more

[tiny summit]

You'll be fine with 60-80.

[stone folio]

really?

[wanton dawn]

Lemme demonstrate

[stone folio]

cuz my luck has been terrible with stopping power on the agri

highest i managed the last 2 months is 64%

[low kelp]

(For plasma gun but still)

[low kelp]

Does same thing for every gun

[stone folio]

i get you want it as close as possible to 80

[low kelp]

Been awhile since I toyed around with talents. How's this for a columnus V build?

(With power cycler 2 power sword)

[stone folio]

but man brunt gives me no agri IAG with stopping power above 65% or so

[low kelp]

Farm half a mil, dump half a mil, pray

have hadron ruin it

[wanton dawn]

I am one of the ppl recommending to try deadshot on columnus

[stone folio]

looks at +9 stamina curio build sure

[low kelp]

Doesn't it instantly drain your stamina with that firerate?

[hollow ibex]

yeah you need 9 stam for sure

[low kelp]

And doesn't work if you're outta stamnia

[hollow ibex]

9 stam curios

[wanton dawn]

Deadshot is about 40% more DPS on columnus

You take target down and duck n dive to compensate

[low kelp]

target down?

[stone folio]

i wanna play gunlugger again.... but then i see the keystone and im like.... ouch

[hollow ibex]

you can just play gunlugger with the tank keystone

works perfectly fine tbh

[muted knot]

This

[stone folio]

true, but a stronger keystone focused on ogryn gunplay would be more fun

[spring spindle]

This is what I run casually with a braced Agri Autogun and standard shovel. Thoughts?

I feel it runs fine. Just looking for thoughts

[frigid tusk]

You’re looking to run a more evasive agri im assuming?

[spring spindle]

I like infiltrate more than shout for panic moments

And just support like picking up teammates

[tiny summit]

Think you can go w/o a node for iron will

Or have iron will over demo team if you already have stockpile

[raw steppe]

You don't

I run hp/hp/toughness

You can sustain with 3x stam rrgen, stam regen from keystone and duck and dive

[frigid tusk]

Imo with braced auto, the way you’re closer to the combat than for example an IAG, I like running Get Back In the Fight over Catch a Breath

And assuming you need to stealth you’re gonna spend a lot more time with mobs nearer to you than 8m

[vagrant hornet]

I'm a little lost on how I'm supposed to get gear in this game. Am I supposed to buy a garbage gray weapon then upgrade it to gold?

[raw steppe]

You can run one +3 but you definitely don't need +9 lmao

[raw steppe]

Yep

[frigid tusk]

Requisition is your best friend

[raw steppe]

Buy gray until you get one that has good stats and upgrade it

[frigid tusk]

You don’t necessarily have to spam buy grays if you keep an eye on the store which refreshes every hour and pick out the ones you want with mobility as a dump stat

[stone folio]

or get EXTREMELY lucky from melk

[frigid tusk]

Depends on how much timesink you wanna put or can put in the game

[vagrant hornet]

Anyone have a few pictures of good charms I should look for?

[frigid tusk]

For vet?

[vagrant hornet]

Ya

[raw steppe]

Don't play around the hourly store lol

[full wigeon]

2x 20% health 1x 3 stamina

[raw steppe]

That's the worst for your mental

Just check it if you're playing

And buy grays from brunts

[frigid tusk]

I can just tell you that you want 2 17% toughness and 1 21% max health, it’s mainly personal preference but that’s what I run because I do a Rambo build

[raw steppe]

If you want gear

[frigid tusk]

For base stat

[stone folio]

wish i could get more of these

[frigid tusk]

After that, you can run toughness regen speed, and maybe combat ability regen depending on what build you’re making

[raw steppe]

Toughness regen is bad

Don't be running that lol

Except on ogryn

[frigid tusk]

Not for spamshout vet

[stone folio]

combat regen is always handy

[frigid tusk]

It works wonders for that when you combine spamshout duty and honor with Iron Will

I’ve run damnations and auric maelstroms with my build taking maybe 2 health damage before. As in, health go from 200 to 198 and no downs or wounds

[raw steppe]

Yeah i mean ive done runs taking 0 damage in plenty of games too

Toughness regen is just pretty pointless when you have so many ways to manage your tg

[umbral granite]

I just had a conversation with my friend where he was asking why i ran 3 toughness curios on my veteran, and when i said "Because i run voice of command" he said "Doesnt voice of command only give you 50 toughness?"... I then had to explain that it refills your toughness to full, then can apply an extra 50...

The man was the one who Introduced me to the game and has been playing longer than me...

[raw steppe]

Well this is a case of illiteracy sadly

Cuz it actually says that on the skill lol

[frigid tusk]

Yep

It’s so nice tbh

[gaunt hare]

how are you supposed to get "On Overwatch" I have not had any luck with not getting hit with melee damage

[frigid tusk]

Camp in a corner and don’t get grazed by a hound

You might make some randos pissy but explain that you’re going for the penance first

Also prolly use an agri braced auto to clear, don’t get into melee range

[gaunt hare]

I am tempted to get nonrandos to just fucking babysit me ngl, cause I have not been having fun with trying to get the armor

[frigid tusk]

It took me about 2 attempts, and do it on the lowest difficulty allowed with low int

That’s the easiest way

[gaunt hare]

I also hate how the agri braced auto is super good but then it has that fuckass ads instead of just using the iron sights

[frigid tusk]

Just hipfire

[umbral granite]

In his defense... he's a dedicated kreigsman who exclusively runs hellbore + shovel + marksman stance with a no-keystone grenade spam build...

[gaunt hare]

thanks

[frigid tusk]

Np

[gaunt hare]

I'll probably try to go for it later today, not sure if I'll grab anyone or not though

[frigid tusk]

Most randos understand when you ask

[muted knot]

You could just use agri Iag

[gaunt hare]

agri lag?

i main the agri braced, i just dislike the ads lmao

it's fun to use though i've never heard of agri lag

[stone folio]

the agri infantry auto gun

the one with regular ADS

[icy rampart]

is it just me or is the bolter goated for malice

[gaunt hare]

i've heard bolter is good for the 90% accuracy one, and I know the revolver is

[hollow ibex]

with ciag deadshot? you're going to run out of stam way too quickly without 9 stam

[wanton dawn]

I use 6 stam on ciag

[hollow ibex]

that could be fine too

but i already have nearly 190 tough anyway

with 3 stam so that's enough for me

[wanton dawn]

I take health/stam/stam

[frigid tusk]

Want the easiest answer? Grab an Agripinaa (not Zarona) revolver, unload it accurately into a horde and the monstrosity, and don’t pick up any more ammo

[raw steppe]

it's quite manageable for me

[frigid tusk]

Just hope you’re good at full melee for the rest of the map

[stone folio]

dont take the ammo aura

[gaunt hare]

I am good enough with a power sword

[raw steppe]

especially since deadshot doubles my damage with the crits, and triples it because it removes accuracy penalty

[gaunt hare]

also yeah that I know for sure

[raw steppe]

and you can just press the head without worrying about recoil

and when you kill something you get stamina back

when you stop shooting you get stamina back

when a shooter shoots at you you get stamina back

[gaunt hare]

basically, click on heads with the agri revolver?

[stone folio]

not even head if you want the penance

just run up to something and blast em point blank

[gaunt hare]

ah fair

[frigid tusk]

Yep

[junior needle]

Just do the boss mission and unload into shields

[frigid tusk]

Preferably get the nurgle and unload in the front

[wanton dawn]

Deadshot on columnus is about 40% dmg increase

[icy rampart]

is there a class guide for veteran at level 20 for heresy?

[raw steppe]

in practice its more than that

[wanton dawn]

Nope

[raw steppe]

because removing recoil

makes clicking heads easier

[hollow ibex]

i'd rather have more uptime

don't need the extra tough anyway

[wanton dawn]

No need to upsell it

[raw steppe]

then you do you lol

[frigid tusk]

Nope

[raw steppe]

then that's your preference. you don't "need 9 stam for sure"

[muted knot]

Just get to 30 first, if you struggle with heresy you most likely lack basic skills (no offense)

[wanton dawn]

Erm... heresy at low level is hard

[hollow ibex]

imo you do

or at least 6 stam

[muted knot]

That's why I said go for 30

[bitter turtle]

you know

im starting to think

out for blood is just straight up better than going CK

[frigid tusk]

I ran damnation at 15, admittedly easier on zealot :p

[wanton dawn]

Depends

[wanton dawn]

Ppl are better equiped in damn on average

[frigid tusk]

I topped my scoreboard at lvl 15.

[bitter turtle]

lets you dip into 5% movespeed node which is the best generic node at the top

and its really good if you melee a reasonable amount at all

[junior needle]

Were you using a ciag?

[timid otter]

Psyker at level 6 is a beast.

[bitter turtle]

i topped it as psyker

[junior needle]

Because it can do that honestly

[timid otter]

Deimos, assail unlocked.

[frigid tusk]

Assail kinda nice ngl

[trim steppe]

Honestly just push to 30 and/or skip straight to damnation. The people you play with there will be better equipped and more skilled, so they can carry you better while you learn the skills to deal with the chaos that is combat in this game

[bitter turtle]

with staff

do i win

[wanton dawn]

Nobody really care about outdamaging low level ppl

[frigid tusk]

No I meant as a zealot, I was using combat blade lmao

[wanton dawn]

Thats smurfing basically

[bitter turtle]

i started doign this

https://i.gyazo.com/ea6255c140fdffe2ba0711f6d08b9fa7.png

on v3/rashad

muh movespeed

[hollow ibex]

last 50 hours i've been playing knife only

tried to go back to ps

i can't do it anymore

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/446788632414519326.webp?size=48&name=NotLikeThis&quality=lossless

i need my zoom

[gaunt hare]

anyone wanna like form a team to try to get me "On Overwatch"?

[trim steppe]

It's like wearing a shackle on your legs

[hollow ibex]

once you go knife, you don't go back

brb, time to make a loner zealot knife build

[gaunt hare]

Darktide All Bosses and Ending Knife only

[bitter turtle]

unironically

[frigid tusk]

inhale so here’s what I’d recommend for lvl 20 vet: Power sword, agri braced auto, you want survivalist, grenade spam, get krak grenades, call it a day

[bitter turtle]

i think the taxe is better than the knife on zealot

as long as you arent doing the meme speedrun build

[hollow ibex]

yeah jokes aside i feel less inclined to run knife on zealot because it's already fast enough

[bitter turtle]

no that's not why i say that

[muted knot]

Might as well reccomed plasma

[bitter turtle]

going fast is good

[wanton dawn]

I dont care about low level vet

[frigid tusk]

That’s overkill for heresy lmfao

[trim steppe]

Just make sure while you're zooming around that you actually pick up materials. So I don't have to follow 75m behind you picking up plasteel from empty rooms while the director throws endless dogs and trappers at me

[bitter turtle]

but i think the taxe's weaknesses actually can be bandaged over with ctw

and its a significant improvement over knife at horde clear

[frigid tusk]

Let’s be honest too, if you’re asking for a build at lvl 20 for heresy you’re probably blowing yourself up with the plasma gun

[bitter turtle]

you still get the meme crit reset

[hollow ibex]

part of the reason i run knife is to farm mats more efficiently

[trim steppe]

I ran with two zoom zealots last night that skipped every chest and material pickup, even ones they literally walked over. It was agony

I got 600 plasteel pickup that match and the team earned 635 at the end 💀

[junior needle]

ctw?

[bitter turtle]

chastise