veteran-class

[terse idol]

Maniac

[raw steppe]

but since bg3 it's been a fucking nonstop deluge

of shit to play

[muted knot]

I'd say I'm pretty on top of what's happening

But maybe I'm just not ?

[raw steppe]

maybe

[terse idol]

NOW TO BE FAIR

Different gamess

And many of us have made over a hundred hours in darktide already

We've made our monies worth so now we just gotta waaiit

[muted knot]

Like I'm still playing warthunder for whatever fucking reason

There just isn't a better tank game out there

[faint beacon]

Look im planning to get 1k+ Hours on it, the only other gamemode I've really been binging is like COD Zombies

[frank basin]

https://tenor.com/view/war-thunder-war-thunder-meme-war-thunder-tank-gunner-tank-gunner-meme-kia-gif-27389345

[muted knot]

Fake news, he's orange at most

[serene sage]

I want to finish Rogue Book, The Last Spell, Maevel Midnight Suns, and Exterminatus level Boltgun

And like 3 other games

[raw steppe]

helldivers3 just came out today, poe season was really really good, i think granblue/tekken i heard are really really good, LE is coming out in 2 weeks, risk of rain returns is very very very fun, and I haven't played them but i heard palworld and enshrouded are good as well if u like that genre

[terse idol]

Helldivers 2 is constantly crashing

Its fucked

Rip

[muted knot]

Good thing they released a new one

[serene sage]

How do they keep doing that

It's baffling

[frank basin]

Those bad review users got bombardment by hardcore hd1 fans

React clown and call out shill

[faint beacon]

I honestly forget I binged Risk of Rain Returns for sometime, Pilot is damn fun on it

[serene sage]

actually I guess of all things, apparently Suicide Squad was really smooth

[muted knot]

Cause people buy it even if they do

[serene sage]

with not many crashes

[raw steppe]

i mean

tbh

if the biggest complaint is crashes

[serene sage]

then again Suicide Squad got band wagoned to death

so

[raw steppe]

i think that's still acceptable

cuz crashes are fixable

a bad game

is not fixable

like for example, d4 is fundamentally unfixable

[serene sage]

it depends, if the crashes are unplayable then it says nothing about the gameplay if people can't play it

[muted knot]

Lmao

[raw steppe]

because it's a bad game, even though it has no crashes

[serene sage]

case in point is Payday 3

[raw steppe]

same with pd3 yeah

[serene sage]

it was literally unplayable day 1

[muted knot]

Don't bring it up again man

[raw steppe]

it's just a bad game

well payday3's issue is both right

[muted knot]

Stop I'm crying already

[raw steppe]

it's also just a trash game

[serene sage]

and then the gameplay problems crept up later

[serene sage]

whispers Payyyyddaaaayyyyy threeeeeee

[muted knot]

[serene sage]

currently 400 concurrent players

[shadow aurora]

Too bad it ended up as it is. Pd2 was peak

Even on console it was a blast

[hollow ibex]

Deserved tbh

[muted knot]

18€ for a new heist and some other shit

[muted knot]

Pd2 was great

[serene sage]

truly

[raw steppe]

pd2 is still great lol

[serene sage]

[raw steppe]

I went back

and did all the missions

[serene sage]

both screenshots taken 1 min ago]

[raw steppe]

stealth

and it was fun

going through the story again

both the stealth and loud are reasonable enjoyable IMO

i think payday2 was just a good game

not much else about it tbh

[serene sage]

pd2 has 5 times the player base of Dartkide

it's crazy

[shadow aurora]

Also tbh pd2 was a great end to the story. They shouldnt have brought back the original gang imo

[faint beacon]

Watching PD3 launch, and it being a complete flop was by far the most depressing thing I experienced late last year

[junior needle]

Lemao, they somehow bungled it harder than fatshark. Although if it wasn't a warhammer game it could've easily gone this way.

[raw steppe]

darktide imo has the issue of a kinda unrewarding progression system and swedish developers being slow

[serene sage]

to be fair, having a 40k tag on its name is both a curse and a blessing

[hollow ibex]

Too much vacation

[serene sage]

cause most 40k games are doodoo

[raw steppe]

the content drip is much too slow compared to other live services, and the current state of crafting makes grinding the game feel relatively unrewarding

i dont think grinding the game should go away

but the system should feel better

you should be able to make incremental progress towards your goals

by grinding

[junior needle]

It's not a curse, GW just gives its IP out like candy

[frank basin]

Lot of turnbase game yeah

[serene sage]

just bc they are turn based doesn't mean they are doodoo though 😭

[frank basin]

My personal preferences

[serene sage]

then again again, turn based and strategy 40k are actually much better received

to their action counterparts

[steep isle]

Question, which is the better power sword? MK3 or MK4

[frank basin]

Is bored me with many turnbase games

[serene sage]

which consists of Fire Warrior (doodoo), Space Hulk (slightly less doodoo), Space Marine (kinda cool) and Darktide

[steep isle]

Or VI idk Roman numerals-

[serene sage]

3 and 6

people gravitae toward 6

[hollow ibex]

Vi is better

[steep isle]

Yeah that

[serene sage]

but both will do you well

[raw steppe]

god is gen z so dum they can't read roman numerals smh

[steep isle]

I’m guessing a faster attack speed

[hollow ibex]

Yeah

[raw steppe]

i'm disappointed

with the state of society

[hollow ibex]

And better single target

[frank basin]

I’m gen z

I only know basic Romanian number

[serene sage]

in the year of our lord MMXXIV

[faint beacon]

3 is alright if you plan to mainly focus hordes but 6 is just generally better that and its PA is a high damage single target

[steep isle]

Genuinely when the fuck am I ever going to use Roman numerals in real world stuff apart from this

[terse idol]

Okay to be fair we had a major update on november

[raw steppe]

to read darktide weapon versions xdd

[serene sage]

on a clock, on monuments

on weird counting systems (yes those exist)

[raw steppe]

keep in mind november was 4 months ago lol

[terse idol]

Rn it seems like FS isss cranking out vt2 pvp

[faint beacon]

And a more minor event update following month of December

[raw steppe]

most live service games have a 1-3 month update cadence

[faint beacon]

Karnak twins

[terse idol]

Which is fine

[faint beacon]

etc

[terse idol]

[raw steppe]

i think it's a bit slow

compared to their competitors

[terse idol]

There was also a vacation for like 1.5 these months

[frank basin]

Who fs competitor?

[terse idol]

Yeah their competitors don't give their employees vacations

[serene sage]

Helldivers 2

[raw steppe]

yeah i mean as a consumer

idgaf

[serene sage]

which released today

[faint beacon]

YOUCH!

[raw steppe]

about them getting vacations

or not

i just care about content cadence

[terse idol]

We should 🥹

[frank basin]

Helldiver 2 already get mixed review

[faint beacon]

Daulity of man right there

[serene sage]

due to performance issue

[raw steppe]

do u also buy non-GMO organic shit in the grocery store

cuz i just buy the cheapest

non organic

non gluten free

[serene sage]

which as a Darktide player you should know perhaps a little too well

[raw steppe]

full of preservatives

[frank basin]

I’m waiting class revamp from Starship Trooper Exterminate

[slow spade]

The difference is I can expect Helldivers to actually update within the year UwU

[serene sage]

you make $5000 a week why would you care about grocery prices

[faint beacon]

Getting back handed with error's back to back you know how it is

[slow spade]

Darktide, I'm lucky they fixed Exhil Takedown within 6 months

[serene sage]

and they have a Galaxy Warmap which likely entails more community actions than whatever we have with DT

like the warmap is such an easy idea

[faint violet]

Just got Power Sword with Sunder t4 and Slaughterer t4, which of then will be more usefull?

[serene sage]

to implement and DT just kinda ignored it

[slow spade]

We'll have a genestealer cult uprisung before we learn what the fuck Wolfer is doing

[raw steppe]

i'm just saying idgaf about whether shit is labeled "non-gmo" or "diverse" or what not :P, only about the quality of the product

[frank basin]

Organic is a scam

[hollow ibex]

Sunder is meta

Now you just need pc4

[slow spade]

Says the Darktide player UwU

[frank basin]

Organic products maybe violate FDA regulation

[faint beacon]

If you have PC4, Get Sunder cause you're basically set for winning

[raw steppe]

darktide is the best gameplay among horde games on the market rn to be fair

[faint violet]

Well got like 4 in one month.

xp

[raw steppe]

no other game comes close

[hollow ibex]

Bro

[slow spade]

To be fair, l4D is still there

[hollow ibex]

I got one in like three months

[faint beacon]

L4D has been there forever

[raw steppe]

yeah but i think darktide is better than l4d

even though l4d is still good

[frank basin]

L4D1?

[serene sage]

DT will never beat $2 price tag

with insane mod support

[faint beacon]

Look if I physically want to lobotomize myself while playing Horde games I play COD Zombies

[slow spade]

Both, though I think modded l4D2 can compete with Darktide

[raw steppe]

it also blows games like DRG out of the water in terms of gameplay

[slow spade]

True

[raw steppe]

DRG monetization i do like though

[frank basin]

Drg has short content update this time

[forest scaffold]

slaughterer

[frank basin]

Just two new enemy

[raw steppe]

but gameplay-wise darktide is at the top

[forest scaffold]

brutal momentum+power cycler is the meta selection

[slow spade]

I wonder if DRG is ever going to add a new map

[forest scaffold]

but slaughterer+power cycler is fine

[slow spade]

Mostly for funsies

I know they commented on weapons and classes already

[forest scaffold]

aren't drg maps random

or are you meaning biome

[slow spade]

Biomes

Yeah

[frank basin]

We better get new toy to play with

[slow spade]

I like Hollowed Burrow but I would like less verticality for example

[raw steppe]

my problem with DRG is that even though there's some amount of randomly generated stuff

after 50 hours or so

it just felt samey

[frank basin]

They are prefab map segment

Ofc is not fully rng

Just 50% rng

[faint violet]

Thanks.

[junior needle]

DRG has an issue of needing mods for truly hard content

[raw steppe]

I was able to play l4d2, wwz, vt2, darktide without feeling that way despite grindign them for many more hours

[junior needle]

haz5 is not that hard

[raw steppe]

so i'm not sure why it felt samey

[frank basin]

Yo Wwz Aftermath

Funny game

[forest scaffold]

i put like uh

[raw steppe]

wwz is actually imo a good game

it's a solid 7/10

for me

[forest scaffold]

80 hours into wwz

[forest scaffold]

it was eh

[slow spade]

The lack of interesting enemy variety in maps doesn't help. Maps roll a set of enemies and ONLY spawn those enemies

[forest scaffold]

not bad, not great

[serene sage]

Metric wise both of them are doing a lot better than we are

rememebner that RoR2 has a slated DLC

[raw steppe]

ye

[slow spade]

So you can guarantee what you will face

[raw steppe]

wwz is a very solid 7/10

maybe 6.5/10

[forest scaffold]

I would've enjoyed WWZ way less if I had paid for it though

[raw steppe]

i'd recommend it

[forest scaffold]

but my brother bought it

and I played it through family sharing

[raw steppe]

and it's fun with friends

[frank basin]

They have new dlc

[slow spade]

tbh they deserve it

[frank basin]

Zeke valley

[raw steppe]

ye but the game is kinda dead lol

[frank basin]

$15

How many people still playing?

[forest scaffold]

the best part of wwz is how well it runs

[raw steppe]

imo i think they need a rework of progression systems

for me to come back

[forest scaffold]

the worst part is that hordes turn into slideshows for that performance

[serene sage]

The staying power of some games or just freaking nuts

[slow spade]

Hadron's colleage pops up in Providence UwU

[forest scaffold]

animation culling is an interesting tactic until zombies start ice skating without moving any of their limbs

[serene sage]

The Binding of Isaac is what, 15 years old

[slow spade]

Tf2

[serene sage]

and has like 20k concurrent players rn

[odd sparrow]

this just dropped in my shop

[terse idol]

No, because that has little affect on who's producing it

[frank basin]

Only hardcore fan in tf2 stay there want support the game

[terse idol]

[serene sage]

new update any time now

surely valve has the money for that

with how good the steam deck has done

[raw steppe]

i mean good games are gonna be good lol

https://steamcharts.com/app/1086940

https://steamcharts.com/app/1245620

[serene sage]

problem is Isaac is also kinda controversial haha

[raw steppe]

people are gonna keep playing games that are good

compare that to bad games

[serene sage]

which born the "I will become back my money" meme

[terse idol]

What happened with issac?

[raw steppe]

bad games are gonna bad: https://steamcharts.com/app/1272080

https://steamcharts.com/app/924970

[slow spade]

Ah the old biblical undertones and anti-religion stuff

[terse idol]

Well to be fair payday 2 was bad and then got good

[terse idol]

Oh, I mean thats a given lmao

[zealous wyvern]

how it feels to clutch

[slow spade]

Yeah but ultimately it did hold back the game

[raw steppe]

I remember playing it a lot in 2015-2016.

[terse idol]

Really?

That's weird

[raw steppe]

they got it good pretty early on

[serene sage]

having 300+ hours in B4B, it was a sad missed opportunity

the game also got hate banwagoned

[terse idol]

I mean only religious aren't gonna play it

Those people already don't play games

[raw steppe]

yeah but the game was also just

not good

there's some design decisions

that made it exceptionally unfun

[frank basin]

I finished some campaign and unlock some most cards except the last dlc I haven’t buy

[terse idol]

It was alright but had mang fundamental issues

I tried to play b4b again recently and whew

[zealous wyvern]

i have never heard of isaac

[serene sage]

it is good now that they know what to actually do with the card system

[terse idol]

Couldn't find a game

[faint violet]

LMAO got fifth PC t4 xp

[raw steppe]

i think the way they implemented card system

[frank basin]

Mostly offline game

[raw steppe]

was very stupid

[serene sage]

yeah it's stone cold dead

don't try

[raw steppe]

initially

[slow spade]

A controversial rep is still bad rep 😔

[raw steppe]

it was basically a skill tree

[slow spade]

Kind of like how my friends refuse to play darktide

[raw steppe]

i think it would've been 10x cooler if it was a deck you randomly drew from

[slow spade]

Even though he loves rogue trader

[raw steppe]

that would've been so much more unique

[serene sage]

or just do it the way we have it now, everything available at once

[slow spade]

For the Warhammer setting that is

[serene sage]

so you can pull off coherent combos

from the beginning

[raw steppe]

ye i dunno

the game also

fundamentally isn't fun

[terse idol]

It would be better if you just had all the cards

[raw steppe]

once you beat X level on Y difficulty

there's not really an incentive to go back and do it again

[terse idol]

People loved l4d

To play the same maps

Hundreds of times

[raw steppe]

compared to l4d or dt

where even the same run

feels different on each run

[terse idol]

Eh

B4b is the same

[raw steppe]

not sure why b4b felt so bad

in that department

[terse idol]

But the fundamentals weren't there

[serene sage]

I mean I think you're romanticizing DT and L4D2 too much

[terse idol]

Specials weren't loud enough

[raw steppe]

i dont think so lol

[frank basin]

Dt has skill tree while l4d is skill base and vanilla

[serene sage]

B4B runs feel different to me

or different enough

[raw steppe]

well

[slow spade]

I think there should be a dating sim too

[raw steppe]

regardless of what the issue is

[terse idol]

After a few hundred hours it's the same

[raw steppe]

the game just isn't fun

whereas dt and l4d2 are fun

[serene sage]

I guess we can agree to disagree then

[frank basin]

Well can you run talentless in high difficulty?

[terse idol]

Game feel is important and I think B4b flopped hard enough and tried to be a l4d predecessor

It had to advertise alone

Because once they tried to advertise as l4d they fucked themselves

[serene sage]

I just think B4B is a missed opportunity which is pummeled by bad marketing and that crowbcat video

[terse idol]

Its why world War z does well imo

[terse idol]

I will say crowbcat is kinda...

Dum af

[slow spade]

I think how they showed the card system didn't help either

[frank basin]

Crowbat the ruiner

[terse idol]

His resident evil 4 video

[raw steppe]

imo i think world war z also had some innovative systems in the game

[terse idol]

Very fucking bad

[serene sage]

Crowbcat makes videos about easy to hate games

[terse idol]

Because he nitpicks the comparison

[raw steppe]

I think the pyramiding was very cool when i first encountered it, and I liked the special design TBH

[terse idol]

Resident evil 4 remake is just

Still good

He just nitpicks scenes to make it look worse

Which is hilarious to me

[serene sage]

uhhh who ware dating? Holly?

[terse idol]

Alot of his other videos are valid but not resident evil

[raw steppe]

I'm not a big fan of having to level up weapons, and prestige system for class progression though.

i think that part of wwz

was fucking awful

[terse idol]

He turned into what I hate most, hate content farmer

[terse idol]

Still it helps to add variety and wwz was legitimately fun

[serene sage]

I made the mistake of youtubing Helldivers review on Day 1

[terse idol]

And a cinematic experience

[raw steppe]

holy shit i really fucking hate prestige system lol

[frank basin]

Criticize game make bandwagon effect

[raw steppe]

yeah it was

[serene sage]

and it's filled with hot takes from uknown creators giving hate bait contents

[terse idol]

Yeah

[faint violet]

Crowbcat prey on devs mistakes like maggots on rotting flesh.

[terse idol]

I mean, day 1 reviews are useless imo

[terse idol]

Resident evil 4 remake had no mistakes it was different

[serene sage]

kinda fit

[frank basin]

You hate pay 7500 gold

[terse idol]

But that video doesn't care about difference

Urgh

I just dislike that video

[serene sage]

then again don't say that on Reddit or Twitter

[raw steppe]

no i hate fucking going back to level 0 lmao

[serene sage]

cause they love Crowbcat

[raw steppe]

i wish they'd just let u accumulate xp at level 30

so i can grind for the prestige

but having to reset to 0

and being weak as fuck

and trying to grind xp

[frank basin]

Yeah

[raw steppe]

is just unfun

as a player

[terse idol]

I'll wait and see what other video he cooks

[frank basin]

Is just like payday 2

Being infamy

[raw steppe]

payday2 fixed that right?

[terse idol]

At least infamy gave you something

[raw steppe]

i played it like 6 months ago

[serene sage]

Internet Historian is fun, or at least his contents are

[terse idol]

New hats more XP

[frank basin]

I think they remake so you won’t get reset level again just infamy pool they called

[serene sage]

the fucking Fallout 76 video

[terse idol]

I played and got infamy 3 until I got tired

[serene sage]

has me crying

HARDWOOD LAMINATE HARDWOOD LAMINATE HARDWOOD LAMINATE

[raw steppe]

and they made it so

1. you can level it without reseting level
2. infamy is no longer tied to skill points
   cuz i was only infamy 3 and I had all my skillpoints

and i leveled up to infamy 4

without resetting

[faint violet]

More refering to B4B, after this one I gave up with rest of his "content".

[terse idol]

Yeah that's valid

He does hit the right points on his older vids but oof that re4

[frank basin]

Every YouTuber made mistake

And mistake cost their career

That’s why I don’t want be YouTuber

[serene sage]

no but Crowbcat makes money off of others' mistakes

which is ghoulish

like yeah devs make mistake and get downed, Crowbcat keeps kicking them while they are down

[frank basin]

Like beating dead horse

[serene sage]

and get money (I assume his channel is monetized) of it

[slow spade]

Hadron and Brunt 😩

[serene sage]

there is also a channel called Mortismal Gaming or something that only does review after 100% every achievements in the game

[junior needle]

Serves an important role in the ecosystem by letting devs know where they could've done better

[serene sage]

which I have some doubts regarding the legitimacy of that

[frank basin]

Tbh I were plan to be game developer too stress and be indie dev is kinda boring but it secure the career without being blantly abuse by workplace.

[serene sage]

cause 100% achievement on some games takes 1000s of hours

[serene sage]

you can just do it as a hobby

[terse idol]

He has a patron iirc but I forgor

[frank basin]

Too bad depression is presence

[terse idol]

Indie dev is tough

To be faiir

[frank basin]

They leech my energy away

[slow spade]

This you?

[terse idol]

Its not boring

Irs your monnay

[frank basin]

It is. For solo dev are

[frank basin]

I’m not a game dev yet

[serene sage]

I know, but if you let it wither you way and die then uhhh it is what it is I guess

[slow spade]

This you in the future?

[frank basin]

Is a bias information

You’re not the fortune teller

[serene sage]

would.

[faint violet]

He and others was so anal about L4D games being so much better I decide and cheak out this games, ohh boy what a letdown it was.

[slow spade]

As an Imperial citizen, blind and biased info is my forte 💪

[frank basin]

Doctor toss pill like nothing

[frank basin]

Yeah which is 100% false information

Intel and belief

In 40k

[slow spade]

Smh need more faith in the God Emperor

[frank basin]

You do need more faith to believe false information

Then things never be true

[slow spade]

💪💪💪

[serene sage]

Innocence proves nothing

[frank basin]

Does that guilty proves something?

[slow spade]

"Innocence is guilty of wasting my time" -most reasonable imperial citizen

[serene sage]

Do you even play this game

[slow spade]

Omg my waifu

[frank basin]

Most Imperial suicide for honor like Japanese sodoku

[slow spade]

Karamazov-chan~!

[serene sage]

🤨

[slow spade]

:p

[frank basin]

@serene sage what my depression has been long period span across 2 year now

And I haven’t got anything done

3-4 year total from my diagnose

[slow spade]

Do not worry comrade, in Darktide even the hardest working are shafted equally here 💪

[serene sage]

Time for lobotomization 😎

[frank basin]

Second 2 year is worse condition heavily servely depression

[serene sage]

it's the only way

Servitors get cool gadgets

Like uhhhh Plasma Guns

and bombs

Servitor Breachers have this cool claw

[frank basin]

[serene sage]

for melee

[slow spade]

"Omg a man with nothing can still give their life :D"

[frank basin]

Not a therapist then

[slow spade]

The Emperor protects 💪💪💪

[serene sage]

I'm sure some Tech Priest have a therapy license :^)

they are very human and emotional

[frank basin]

I’m not mood for jokes

[slow spade]

I wonder if techpriests can even be given therapy

[serene sage]

Then probably ignore me for now then 😄 I won't comments on your state of mind.

[frank basin]

Still awful

[serene sage]

Do you think they use essential oil?

[slow spade]

"Not in mood for jokes" yet plays Darktide UwU

[frank basin]

I didn’t play Darktide

[slow spade]

Hydraulic oil supplements for everyone~!

[frank basin]

I stop playing while ago

[slow spade]

Oh ok lol

[serene sage]

are there Knights in Rogue Trader?

like the big walkers

[slow spade]

God I fucking wish

[hard briar]

Imperial Knights for Atoma when?

[slow spade]

Sadly no

The worst I've seen is Defilers and necrons

[serene sage]

😔

can't romance the SoB

no Knights

[slow spade]

I got spooked by a Helbrute too

[serene sage]

Abelard single handedly save the game with his presence

[slow spade]

True

[serene sage]

making up for the other blunders

[slow spade]

Abelard is truly the waifu of the year

I use Pasqal as well and he's just seething constantly

Its hilarious

[slow spade]

"Is this Hox Se6?"

Also good taste on the agri

So good when leveling

[serene sage]

But why

[slow spade]

The combat knife is sus

But should be ok?

Idk the new one that well

[serene sage]

My biggest question is what's up with that UI

It looks so strange and half baked

[slow spade]

Inventory stat mod

I know the one

[slender turtle]

Shovel is fun. Is decimator and uncanny the go to for them?

[serene sage]

Yuh

[slow spade]

It shows you detailed stats when you click the "stats" bar

Stuff like crit, dodges, etc

[serene sage]

I heard thrust is okay for the spike shovel as well

[serene sage]

I see. I mean I don't see but I see.

[slow spade]

As long as you have Uncanny, you're fine

[slender turtle]

Ive only had a short time with the shovel for right now and i havent seen much of a time to use thrust

[junior needle]

Make sure you put lacerate/flesh tearer on that there knoife

[slow spade]

Inventory mod removes the crafting mats stuff

Idk why

[slender turtle]

Limbsplitter would make more sense to me more than thrust

For doing the spike attack part

[idle swallow]

Thrust is there for trying to hit the crusher one shot and not much else

[tiny summit]

Limbsplitter isn't exactly "on demand" or as controllable

[toxic leaf]

nothing like getting off work, loading up a map and its hab dreyko

couldnt pay to play that one at this point

[hollow ibex]

Hab dreyko can feel fucking amazing with some teams

And total cancer with others

The map just feels disproportionately harder than the average map

The last event + escape can be brutal on less experienced teams

[golden nacelle]

Beautiful! Blessed by the emperor I was today!

[toxic leaf]

my issue with is it that the danger is entirely at the very end scan and escape, and before that its pretty easy

so you're more likely to, if you fail to have wasted 20-25minutes

[hollow ibex]

The last event can just drag on for fucking forever with a bad team

[golden nacelle]

So... keep maniac obvs, swap groaners and poxwalkers to what? and then which blessing do I switch to blaze away?

[raw steppe]

pox -> unyielding, either blessing to getshot

and boom you're done

[golden nacelle]

yeah. beautiful weapon

[raw steppe]

both blessings are useless rn, so you can pick which one to replace

if they change ADM values on plasma, shattering might become good; if they rebalance the right click, volatile might become good

[junior needle]

As far as I'm aware gets hots is higher value than blaze away if you have to choose one

[golden nacelle]

I do like get's got

hot*

You'd think shattering impact would be decent for monstrosities at least though

but I have heard that it doesn't provide that much value

[forest scaffold]

keep volatile

keep maniac

[raw steppe]

no, because of how ADM works

[forest scaffold]

replace shattering impact with gets hot or blaze away

replace groaners to elite, unyielding, unarmored, or carapace

[raw steppe]

iirc, the gun has something like 100% ADM on flak/unyielding and 70% on cara

[trim steppe]

I'm with Puri, good rec

[raw steppe]

so you only really are getting value on cara with shattering

however

it is very possible the gun may be rebalanced

[forest scaffold]

yeah dont build your gun for that

its an impossible situation

just build it for what its good for now

[raw steppe]

and if the maniac/flak/unyielding is rebalanced from 100% down to say 70-80%, shattering will start to have value

[trim steppe]

Rebalanced soonTM

[forest scaffold]

IE: Gets Hot, Volatile, Blaze Away/Maniac, Elite, Unarmored, Carapace, Unyielding

[raw steppe]

oh god are people still telling people to put unarmored on their plasma 🤢

[forest scaffold]

You spend literally 10 points in your tree for the gunner one shot

or one perk on your gun

[junior needle]

Doesn't volatile give you literally no added damage?

[forest scaffold]

there's no other useful perk anyway besides maniac

[raw steppe]

10 points in your tree wot

[forest scaffold]

flak and carapace get you weird breakpoints also with massive tree expenditure

[raw steppe]

lmfao

[forest scaffold]

but unarmored is the only one that's one and done

get your dreg gunner one shot

[trim steppe]

I thought volatile still provides higher ROF on uncharged shots

[forest scaffold]

and one shots on flamers with maniac

and call it a day

[raw steppe]

it's one point

with tag

[forest scaffold]

Its definitely way more than one point

Also, swap swap keystone is objectively better than tag for plasma

plasma gun is the melee vet's weapon of choice

if you wanna split hairs on "meta builds"

[junior needle]

It should but, that's a little more dps (only at low overheat) and still no more damage than before

[hollow ibex]

I mean what if you don’t want to play melee vet

[forest scaffold]

then you don't use plasma

you use colomnus IAG

[raw steppe]

jesus christ lmao

[forest scaffold]

or MGIV, MG Ia

[raw steppe]

so narrow minded

[trim steppe]

Yeah. Volatile is bad, but my understanding is that shattering is worse cuz it does even less

[terse idol]

Charge rate only affects uncharge a small bit

Even on volatile it wouldn't give you much of a boost for uncharged shots now

[forest scaffold]

makes me faster than most revolver users

[raw steppe]

every single one of the keystones works well with plasma

[slow spade]

To be fair ping keystone gives team-wide buffs so its only "not as good" for solely the vet

[terse idol]

Yeah its still in the millisecond incrimentw

[slender turtle]

Yeah ok. I understand why now, decimates the first target but everything after...

[terse idol]

That's the problem

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/no-i-dont-think-i-will-gif-23864982

[terse idol]

The dps increase has to be notable

Its nooot

[raw steppe]

and the perk on your gun is a very high value

spending that perk to get a dreg gunner bp

when it could be unyielding

or elites

is just objectively a terrible suggestion

[terse idol]

Well either unarnoured or elites

[forest scaffold]

elites doesn't do anything - its a breakpointless perk

[terse idol]

Wrong

[forest scaffold]

unless you're trying to min-max gaining off teammate fire

[raw steppe]

elites hits the dreg gunner bp

[terse idol]

Objectively pgun has 1 bp

[raw steppe]

lol

[terse idol]

You have to hit dredge gunners

On one shot

[trim steppe]

The only blessings that do anything on Plasma are Gets Hot, Gloryhunter, and Blaze Away. In that order imo. The others exist too

[slow spade]

Depends on gun stats

[forest scaffold]

if you're 15 meters away, there's no enemies within 8 meters of you

Its not JUST the perk that does it

I sat there and tested and tested

[slow spade]

A high damage + stopping plasma can reach it with some investment

[forest scaffold]

+10% elites doesn't do jack shit without spending points in the tree

[raw steppe]

i dont take that talent on tree and I still hit the bp with elites lol

the no enemies in 8 meters of you is kinda trash tbh

because it will turn off in the situations when you need it

[forest scaffold]

yeah its vets worst talent unless you're like. .. intentionally backlining or something

[slow spade]

Yeah I wish it was like longshot

Where it checks the target instead

Though I guess it would be op

[trim steppe]

Killzone and Catch a Breathe are both off when you need them and active when you dont really care, I almost never take them

[forest scaffold]

though on the topic of talent opinions

grenade regen gotta go

that's my wackiest vet opinion

both the % on elite/special kill

and 1 every 60 seconds

shits gotta go

[hollow ibex]

Huh?

[slow spade]

Catch a Breathe is used by me because I want Survivalist

[hollow ibex]

Why

[forest scaffold]

literally EVERYONE picks them

they're completely game warping

[trim steppe]

Then take Get Back in the Fight instead

[forest scaffold]

braindead OP picks that are either "so good you always grab it" or "not useable"

so just kill it instead

instead of trying to balance it

[hollow ibex]

Lmao

[forest scaffold]

force veterans to interact with ammunition economy

[hollow ibex]

Fuck that

[slow spade]

When is your toughness EVER 100% broken as a Vet?

[hollow ibex]

Is like twbs with zealot

They’re essential class features

[slow spade]

Its completely useless vs mostly useless

[hollow ibex]

Good design? No

[raw steppe]

i think they just need to be moved into the grenade subtrees instead, so you can only grab 1

[forest scaffold]

get back in the fight worked when flamers were still old ones

and they were constantly yeeting toughness

[slow spade]

^

[forest scaffold]

same with bombers

[hollow ibex]

But removing them is just a terrible take

[crude fiber]

Only when you die or get shot lol

[trim steppe]

rarely, but when it does I appreciate the stun immunity and stamina regen so I can recover and not get disintigrated. It also pairs SUPER well with the Stripped Down/Duck and Dive combo to get ranged fire immunity forever

[slow spade]

Get Back in the Fight is probably the worst talent

[slow spade]

Indeed lol

[forest scaffold]

more fair than my suggestion, but I hate game mechanics that let you outright ignore parts of the game's rules

[raw steppe]

so something like shredder -> add bleed, add grenade regen
kraks -> add aoe, add grenade on elite kill
smokes -> add duration, add 30% TDR while inside

[forest scaffold]

in this case, grenades being a limited resource

[raw steppe]

or something like that

[hollow ibex]

It’s literally a class feature

[raw steppe]

so you have to spend talents

to improve it

if you want to

just like psyker

[forest scaffold]

this means literally nothing

especially with the new trees

[hollow ibex]

It just feels like a core part of the reason you play vet

[forest scaffold]

that said: fatshark really needs to add the actual class features information to the top of the talent tree

[hollow ibex]

And you just want to remove it

[forest scaffold]

ogryn's damage reduction

etc

the passives that player's get but can't see

[hollow ibex]

It’s like removing twbs from zealot

[forest scaffold]

I don't even use TWBS on zeaot

so you're arguing with the wrong person here for that one

[hollow ibex]

Terrible fucking unless you make them baked into the class directly

[forest scaffold]

same with vet regen

I usually grab the ammo crate talent instead

because its more useful for everyone

giving ogryn nukes is great

[hollow ibex]

Let’s also remove kinetic deflection from psyker while we’re at it

[crude fiber]

I do take kinetic on every psyker build lol

Let's me get away with no Stam or Stam regen on curios

[hollow ibex]

Yes so by this logic it should be removed

[raw steppe]

you probably dont play knife on psyker then lol

[crude fiber]

I dont, I'm stuck using force swords cause they're cool

[raw steppe]

2 base stamina is pretty bad

[trim steppe]

bake the 1 nade every 60 sec into the vet class features so its not a mandatory talent, its just part of why you play vet

[crude fiber]

I do use dueling sword sometimes and that has 2 or 3 though

[raw steppe]

I think that's too overpowered tbh lol

they just need to detach it from vet baseline tree and attach the grenade talents to the specific grenades

so you can't stack them, and you also have to spend points for it

[hollow ibex]

Well if that ever happens, the other classes would prob get their own free traits

[crude fiber]

If they added kinetic deflection, nade gen, TWBS, and some ogryn thing into base class passives that would be kinda power creep territory

[hollow ibex]

All right now they’re also borderline mandatory picks that define the class

Which also isn’t great

[white minnow]

at least with psyker's tree they can just take advantage of how branches get locked out and shift some talent placements and whatnot around

cuz there's a lot of good shit near the bottom of psyker's tree

[crude fiber]

I guess they could nerf them and do that. Like regen a nade every 2-3 min, TWBS having a 5 min cool down, kinetic building a lot more peril

[jaunty oxide]

Can anyone show the veteran armor for this week's cosmetics?

[raw steppe]

well kinetic could actually be building more peril tbh

it's 25% of stamina or something ridiculous

[white minnow]

ye

prob cuz it was conceived in an era with slower quelling

50% of stamina should be good nuff

if not further reduced

[crude fiber]

Doesn't it scale with total Stam as well? So if you had +9 Stam you can block forever?

[white minnow]

mhm

[raw steppe]

i think it scaling with flat stam is fine

it's just the 25% that's a bit over the top

cuz getting +9 stam means you're giving up a lot of stats

[tiny summit]

Nah definitely not this one

[crude fiber]

Block efficiency psyker build lol. +36% from curios, +20% from weapon perk and whatever the boost is from the force sword blessing

Is block efficiency additive or multiplicative?

[raw steppe]

The way I would balance grenade regen economy is by adding 2 nodes to each grenade-
1 node is a regen talent, whether on a timer, on elite kill, or whatever condition
1 node is utility talent, to make the grenade better, ie add bleed, add aoe, etc

and bam suddenly now you can't just stack the regen talents

to have infinite grenades

[crude fiber]

Just what vet needs, more point taxes

[raw steppe]

BA is bad in this game for a few reasons: first cuz it's multiplicative, second cuz perks/blessings are much more powerful than in vt, so players have much more power, third cuz sliding exists

[white minnow]

prob just locks if nothing else

at least locks are baked into psyker's tree naturally

and then they'll have to make deliberate locks for other trees

[tiny summit]

But then I couldn't do stupid shit like this

[frank basin]

Smoke grenade is nice i use when room full of shooter.

[crude fiber]

If it multiplication and not addition what's the math on 3 12% curios?

[crude fiber]

NOOOOO SMOKE IS BAD AND DUMB AND YOU SHOULD FEEL BAD FOR USING THEM💢💢

[raw steppe]

I think smoke grenades as a concept isn't completely stupid

they just need to not block our vision

and also give like 30% TDR or something

and that'd make them actually useable

[frank basin]

I actually throw like in melee range blocking shooter while team melee enemies.

[crude fiber]

Smokeless smoke to make it easy to see through your smoke

[tiny summit]

If it at least gave an outline of enemies through it, it would still look like smoke but not fuck people over

[frank basin]

Also I use for traverse shooter range zone

[junior needle]

This but for real, actively stops me from being able to shoot things

[tiny summit]

Not elites/specials. Fatshark gave you a tag

[hard briar]

https://tenor.com/view/vivala-zito-smokey-watch-out-gif-13991127

[junior needle]

I can no longer kill the gunners because the vet keeps throwing trash around the map

[raw steppe]

yep

gunners can keep shooting me

but i can't see them anymore

[hollow ibex]

Doesn’t stop the sniper though

[tiny summit]

That too

Nothing about that feels good

[raw steppe]

oh man

if they just made it like bardin's smoke bomb

where it created an aoe where you had a bit of TDR and some toughness regen

it would be so good

[frank basin]

The visibility smoke is 70% blockage I wouldn’t mind much of it

[hollow ibex]

Smoke needs help

[raw steppe]

even if it's like 15% TDR and like 5% regen per second

it would be soooo fucking useable lmao

[frank basin]

Wish as we can just pray fs gonna rework it

I always doubt they’ll never listen

[tiny summit]

Hope is the first step to disappointment

[raw steppe]

fatshark generally is making the game better over time

the problem is that they're slow

cuz they're swedish

[frank basin]

Swedish don’t take crunch yeah

[raw steppe]

they're on vacation like 6 months of a year

so their update cadence is like every 5-6 months

compared to other live service games which is 1-3 months

[frank basin]

In term making game is long term commitment

[tiny summit]

Their cadence should be the norm

[frank basin]

There’s downside why rushing is bad for game dev but good for consumer

[tiny summit]

Live services of the largest companies has warped people's views on games

[frank basin]

I understand game developers how they work I look making game wont be easily alone.

I also think fs dev team just lay back working

Slow and steady

Prevent being burnout

[raw steppe]

it's just a very competitive market lol

[frank basin]

Is all about supply and demands

[tiny summit]

They obviously do care about their game.

[frank basin]

Yeah, I’m just concern rushing game for people hunger content would deteriorate developer mental.

Just like rushing release games make bad launch

But for now we not know what are they up to.

Seeing bugs fix means they have returned.

[hollow ibex]

I don’t mind slow patch cycles

But they suck at communicating

[frank basin]

They become AAA company

I also think they divert team working on VT2 content

[solar sky]

I've felt pretty demotivated to play or make content recently because of the radio silence. Just wish they would communicate more so I know what I can be excited for in the future.

[frank basin]

Same

I like play new toys

Recent new toy kept me up for while

[terse idol]

they communicated before got slammed by community for not delivering fast enough

[solar sky]

I'm confidence they'll be releasing cool stuff this year, but they have been terrible about talking to their community.

[terse idol]

We are fickle beasts

[frank basin]

Community just awful

[terse idol]

Alot of their communication is on the forums to be faiir

[frank basin]

Game Community are monster to game dev sometime like fat customer demand more food from chef.

[frank basin]

I thought they communicate on discord

[solar sky]

I don't use the fatshark forums, but I rarely see anything on discord or reddit, and they link to both of those communities in the launcher

[frank basin]

That’s some lot social platform

[solar sky]

I think they got their feelings hurt a few times and decided the silent treatment would be best....which is a weird decision but ok I guess

[frank basin]

Idk why community attack FS

[serene sage]

to be fair, it's really hard to make a response to highly volatile environment like Reddit and Discord

cause people will try to misrepresent what they say

happened before

[hollow ibex]

This is why we can’t have good things

[serene sage]

sometimes there is just no winning

[solar sky]

That makes sense, but you'd think they'd communicate more through their website then

fas as I'm aware, they haven't said much there either

[serene sage]

yeah, they should post more on the launcher client, too

or maybe just tweet more and link to the tweet on the client

shouldn't be too hard

[untold herald]

That’d be the place to post anything really

[serene sage]

cause twitter embed is like child play for front end devs

[frank basin]

Should fs stream dev like warframe?

[serene sage]

yeah twitter is okay cause they are not required to respond

while keeping some amount of communication

[solar sky]

I was so bummed when they canceled the creator program. I really wanted to make content for the launcher, but seems like they kind of gave up on that for now

[junior needle]

This happens in any online discourse of any platform in which humans are involved. I think the bigger issue is that fatshark often has a very bad look going for them and there's plenty of people accurately pointing that out.

[serene sage]

they had a creator program?

[bitter turtle]

maybe im the weird one

but tbh i dont really care how much they update the game

[terse idol]

It's hard to promise things and the not deliver

[frank basin]

They should stream dev blog on YouTube like warframe

[terse idol]

It's not fair but

[bitter turtle]

ig im just not invested enough that if i get bored i just stop playing

[crude fiber]

Is that gamplay streaming? Cause if so they absolutely should not. The community would trash talk whoever was playing so much lmao

[terse idol]

development takes time

[solar sky]

yeah, if you had 250 subs/followers, you used to be able to partner with them to produce content

[serene sage]

you don't think the game is getting a little stale?

[solar sky]

but they paused it indefinitely

[bitter turtle]

a little

but if i tire of it

ill just play something else

nothing lasts forever

[frank basin]

No just talk interview upcoming content. And discussion rather gameplay

[serene sage]

love does UwU

[bitter turtle]

not that I don't get ppl who are super invested ig

[serene sage]

maybe idk

[bitter turtle]

this is just one that im not like deeply invested about

[bitter turtle]

not if you die

[serene sage]

just don't die

[bitter turtle]

or rather, bad updates annoy me more than no updates

[serene sage]

don't get hit

[bitter turtle]

funnily enough

im ok with accepting a game as it is

but shitty updates just makes me look forward to it only for disappointment

[solar sky]

I'd agree with you if it wasn't a live service game

but since it is, feels like updates are more important

[bitter turtle]

well what really defines a live service game besides them saying it is

[frank basin]

Finish product take about years to almost decades to make a game.

[trim steppe]

I'd say "Idk why they did this as a live service game if they don't want to perform as a live service game" but I know the answer is money from cosmetics

[crude fiber]

I'm just hoping they fuck up the blessing descriptions for the 10th time

[bitter turtle]

i think before they were a thing, darktide as it is currently would be an ok game to just play and enjoy for what it is

[frank basin]

Live service they seek money to pay dev and surprise element content

[solar sky]

I mean it's a live service game by design. That's why the story is so bare bones and so many elements are either missing or unfinished

[upbeat loom]

Promising stuff and not being able to deliver typically sits worse than communicating less but being more accurate.

[solar sky]

if it wasn't a live service game, those would just be in the game

[trim steppe]

Yes...... thats why

[bitter turtle]

idk

[trim steppe]

Or maybe its just the norm to accept money for an unfinished game

[frank basin]

The game wouldn’t exist this year if is isn’t live as service as they still development. I think

[bitter turtle]

i just take the game for what it is in terms of update frequency

[trim steppe]

and then maybe finish it at somepoint, maybe not

[bitter turtle]

if i get bored, i just stop playing

ive burned out on investing myself in live service game's future

with mmos already

[serene sage]

Is that... possible? Can you just... walk away?

[bitter turtle]

it's a difficult skill to learn 😔

unironically

[upbeat loom]

Unfortunately true, I'm sure the amount spent on games being sold on steam which are in beta is insane. (Or even games that went defunct and never fully released.)

[solar sky]

I'm not defending their choices here, but they sell this game as a live service game to mask that we're bascially paying for its continued devlopment through premium cosmetics

[trim steppe]

I agree with you. Also I've played for like 800 hours so I more than got my money's worth. And when I'm bored I will leave.

[serene sage]

It's my most played game on Steam 😳

[bitter turtle]

same

[serene sage]

Still

[frank basin]

That’s become norm of the modern game industry now.

[bitter turtle]

like if it bored the shit out of me immediately and i barely sunk a few hours into it

thats a different story

[solar sky]

I have 1100 hours >.> Obviously love the game

[bitter turtle]

that's just a bad game

but i had my fun, 1000 hours played

[serene sage]

Oh I would have guessed MHW

[bitter turtle]

if this is what the game ends up as

and nothing ever gets added

then ill just enjoy it until im done and move on

[bitter turtle]

nah

ffxiv, pso2

elsword

[trim steppe]

I remember seeing people with like 4000 hours on Diablo 3 complaining that seasons are stale and no new content. It's like BRUH you paid $60 ONCE and then $30 for an expansion, and you got FOUR THOUSAND HOURS out of it. What more do you want? Just go do something else now

[bitter turtle]

tera

MMOs all over the place lul

[frank basin]

New world

[bitter turtle]

i dont play obvious scams

so no

[frank basin]

Bad mmo for you

[serene sage]

Never touched MMO in my life 😁

[solar sky]

Good decision lol

[bitter turtle]

i heard someone put it fairly well recently

[blissful flame]

I only recently came back to this game after walking away sometime around the summertime last year

[late hatch]

yeah unfortunately a lot of games have this problem where the most strident voices are the nolifers that do nothing but play a single game every day for years, but often dont want to continue to support the game financially.
On the other hand I bought Rimworld and ONI once and got 1000+ hours in each for like $30, but online games are a little diff.

[frank basin]

I’m always be f2p on f2p mmorpg game

[solar sky]

When I think about playing WoW, it makes me feel like I got out of a heroine addiction

[bitter turtle]

she liked MMOs when she was younger, but it feels like the genre has basically stagnated for the past 10 years and we're still playing the same shit on a hamster wheel

tab targetting is still a thing

[crude fiber]

Last I played Tera was 3 years ago on xbox lol. I discovered there were "thigh thickener" buffs you could buy lol

[junior needle]

They deserve it for buying d3 for 60 dollars, and that expansion for 30.

[crude fiber]

They stacked too

[bitter turtle]

Tera is ded

there's pservers though

[blissful flame]

looks at 15k hour playtime in final fantasy 14, nudges under rug

[serene sage]

tera is uh terraria?

[bitter turtle]

nah

the elin game

[blissful flame]

Tera online

[serene sage]

oh

[late hatch]

you could have 3 degrees or a single masters in that time

[crude fiber]

Like that would fit under there lol

[frank basin]

https://tenor.com/view/phantasy-star-online-ngs-gif-22327689

[bitter turtle]

also im done with xiv post endwalker

well really, i was done with the game well before that in temrs of gameplay

but i wanted to see the story to the end

[frank basin]

Black desert Online

[bitter turtle]

NGS

at least the character creation in NGS is good

[blissful flame]

And yet I never did a savage raid

[frank basin]

What’s that game name?

[serene sage]

what's your most played singleplayer game?

[bitter turtle]

PSO2

@frank basin

not to your question

lul

[trim steppe]

This game has no story, batshit crazy development decisions, and no new content. But the gameplay loop is so fun to me that I play anyway and find my own ways to stay engaged. Right now my goal is collecting all the blessings through weekly currency and crafting grinding (5 left). Once I'm done I'll find a new challenge or move on to another game

[frank basin]

❓

[serene sage]

I was like girl it has Online in the name

[bitter turtle]

tee hee

not sure what my most played single player game is though

um

recently at least

re4r?

i played it like 10 times

[solar sky]

Darktide does seem like a long term investment sometimes

[crude fiber]

I'm trying to complete all the penances...gonna take awhile for 250 investigation and repair

[late hatch]

i cant get metrics for some but this would be up there

[serene sage]

which one is RE4? the one that you rescue the princess?

[bitter turtle]

yeah

the original was a childhood game for me

[solar sky]

presidents daughter....so yes

[bitter turtle]

so I played the fuck out of the remake

did extremely stupid challenges like

[serene sage]

I said what I said

[bitter turtle]

beating the game with only the crossbow

[crude fiber]

Any RE5 lovers in the chat? Probably my favorite coop game tbh

[trim steppe]

Slay the Spire and Stardew are probably my most played SP games

in recent times

[solar sky]

I wanted to love it man, that first level was awesome

[frank basin]

I’m completely opposite to SP games : /

[solar sky]

but god damn it got REAL fucking cheesy

punching a boulder....

[serene sage]

nice lol I looked at the gameplay and it looks surprisingly fluid, especially with how the weapon swap works

like you have to pull up a menu

but somehow it has its charm

weird

[bitter turtle]

there's quickswapping

in the remake at least

bind weapon to a number key

or direction pad

[crude fiber]

You play 6? Took my buddy begging me to keep playing for ne to finish it

[idle swallow]

Me and my friend did a professional infinite launcher only run once and it's one of my most memorable gaming experiences

[bitter turtle]

I played it enough

That I literally was coaching someone

to do S+ on the pro difficulty for the infinite ammo thing

lol

[solar sky]

No I never played six, I watched some of it on youtube, but I was burned out at that point.

[blissful flame]

According to steam, my most played games that I consider to be single player the way I played them include fallout new vegas, fallout 4, elden ring, and dark souls

[bitter turtle]

I did it FOR FREE 😔

[solar sky]

looked pretty bad from what I saw

[serene sage]

🤔

[bitter turtle]

where is that page

[frank basin]

Lover back 4 blood

[crude fiber]

It was frustrating as hell lol, super funny at moments from how ridiculous it is though

[serene sage]

click on your own profile => recently played games => all games

[solar sky]

It's ok, I didn't get the "level everyone up" achievement until last week. Took me more than a year to level a psyker

[serene sage]

somehow that's the only way you can see for me

[blissful flame]

Darktide is actually #4 for most steam playtime for me now

Behind payday 2, warframe, and ffxiv