veteran-class

[gusty bison]

:P

[old quail]

i cannot be contained

[gusty bison]

Uh huh

Mhm

I shall refrain from further inappropriate comments before a mod kicks my ass lmao

[old quail]

😔

[pliant sentinel]

purge yourself now

your life serves zero purpose

[old quail]

i used the recons once and i am still astonished ppl want to shoot them

[gusty bison]

Look

[pliant sentinel]

i love my mk 7 recon

[gusty bison]

They wanna play super soaker

[pliant sentinel]

burn stack goes brrr

[gusty bison]

Im just miffed recons havr a 1.4x finesse

Just

Why

[pliant sentinel]

what does finesse even do

[gusty bison]

You made a precise critfishing gun

[dusty sluice]

What does the columnus have again

[gusty bison]

Finesse multiplier is how much extra damage u do on weakspot hit/critical hit

[pliant sentinel]

ahhh

[gusty bison]

2.7x

Highest in game

[dusty sluice]

Ah

[gusty bison]

Oh wait no i think the volver might have higher?

But its one of the highest

[dusty sluice]

I see

[gusty bison]

Its silly

Headhunter autoguns also have 2.7x

Most semi auto precision weapons are 2.25x

Bolter is 2.0x

[pliant sentinel]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

YES

MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[slow spade]

I wonder what the plasma is

[gusty bison]

Then u have plasma at 1.4x

[slow spade]

:D

[gusty bison]

Then the braced auto and shredder at like 1.15x

[slow spade]

Man

I guess crit is for rending on those

[gusty bison]

Mhm

Crit builds on brauto is pointless

Dont do it

[pliant sentinel]

I GOT RATE IV POWER CYCLER

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[gusty bison]

Recon is the main outlier of an ADS gun with high precision having piss poor finesse

[pliant sentinel]

2 EXTRA CHARGED HITS BABYYYYYYY

[timid otter]

It doesn’t exist.

[slow spade]

Nice :D

[pliant sentinel]

Wth is the 2 hits then

oh wait nvm

fuck

[slow spade]

Pain

[pliant sentinel]

it's iii

dammit

that's aids

oh well

extra damage still makes me happy

[tiny summit]

Fatshark seeing people having funny bottomless mag dumping and said "No. No fun like that"

[gusty bison]

If recon had 2.25x finesse

Ho boy

With how often it crits...

I think you can get 2.8k dps without exec stance?

On a gun with minimal recoil

[tiny summit]

Well they also neutered its dmg values against certain types in that last update

[agile forge]

Praise the Emperor!

[gusty bison]

Ur running onslaught

So on the 6d that doesnt matter

U stack brittleness so fast ur ADM just shoots back up to 1.0x

[dusty sluice]

Deadshot 6d

No more stam for you

[gusty bison]

Recons also wanna be fired in long bursts

Iirc the first 15 or soshots are near perfectly accurate

Then it goes into crazy spread

[slow spade]

If only Shocktrooper value was there so it didn't hog ammo 😔

[gusty bison]

I think with extra finesse it will stop hogging amm9

[pliant sentinel]

which recon is the best in y'all's opinion?

[slow spade]

The 6D

[gusty bison]

Cos if u can kill an elite in 7-8 bullets, you barely spend any ammo due to surv

6d

[slow spade]

The others are honestly throwing imo

[pliant sentinel]

I have better luck with the mk7

[gusty bison]

6d is all about long controlled bursts

[pliant sentinel]

6d burns through ammo like cheap booze

[gusty bison]

1 burst => 1 kill

Dont waste ammo on bodyshots or while switching between targets, esp cos the spread gets pretty bad during mag dumps

[pliant sentinel]

light targets I aim for center mass, big targets I always go for the head

[gusty bison]

Generally recon wants to go for head on everything

[pliant sentinel]

the burn stack on top of finesse is brilliant

[gusty bison]

Cos ur relying on headhunter to make up for ur dogshit base dps

With headhunter u can get about 1.7k dps on headshot chains

Which is... workable

[dusty sluice]

At this point it’s just worth using columnus

[gusty bison]

Its not good. But with how precise the gun is

You can make it work

[dusty sluice]

Until recon gets a buff

[gusty bison]

Tbf columnus has worse recoil and spread

[pliant sentinel]

If the hellgun gets added, it is so over

[gusty bison]

But yea u kinda can just be lazier with colly

[dusty sluice]

Its pretty controlae

[agile forge]

Columnus is predictable tbh

[gusty bison]

Its not recon level of hitting 8 consecutive headshots at 25m

[agile forge]

Just drag that crosshair down

And hold it there

[gusty bison]

Like yea its not terrible recoil, but recon stability is much MUCH better

[agile forge]

I guess recons you don't have to drag

Downside is you gotta land a lot more shots

[gusty bison]

Recons also dont have random horizontal sway

[agile forge]

Columnus often kills in 1-2

[tall torrent]

Finally got a 540+ plasma with the blessings I wanted

[gusty bison]

One thing about colly is after a certain threshold (around 25m) the horizontal sway makes chain headshots impractical

[agile forge]

Maybe the Emperor does love you

[dusty sluice]

Gloryhunter?

[tall torrent]

Is pretty handy actually

[gusty bison]

Honestly glory hunter imho is BiS

[agile forge]

Fwiw I only ever use mine on Gaze/DD Psyker and MF Veteran

[gusty bison]

For plasma

[pliant sentinel]

What's everyone's favorite song from the Darktide soundtrack?

[agile forge]

So one headshot usually does it

[tall torrent]

I think gets hot + gloryhunter is the best combo for the ideal purpose of plasma

[gusty bison]

Not against gunners tbh

[agile forge]

Archivum Sycorax tunnel run

[zealous wyvern]

disposal unit

[wanton dawn]

I liek blaze away

[agile forge]

True, they take 2 :)

Or idk

[gusty bison]

4

[pastel geode]

Who let the zealot rearrange the closets?

[pliant sentinel]

Unrest in Throneside

[gusty bison]

Gunners are 1.4k hp

[agile forge]

It's hard to granulate it

Maybe 4 then

[gusty bison]

Columnus is around 400-500 damage fully buffed on crit headshot

[tall torrent]

Blaze is good for huge horde/boss, I just prefer gloryhunter

[agile forge]

Idk, I spray it at a cloud of 20 of the karkers and they all die usually

I bow to your specific knowledge

[tall torrent]

The new zealot set actually looks pretty good
But the others are meh

[tiny summit]

The Gauntlet

[pastel geode]

Only zealot armor I’ve really liked so far was the krieg one

[tall torrent]

U mean the staircase descent or

[agile forge]

Nah, the early mid-event

[tall torrent]

Oh ok

Oh that gauntlet

Yea it’s cool

[agile forge]

Best part of Darktide for me

[dusty sluice]

Blaze away?

[pliant sentinel]

Pipe organs go brrr

[gusty bison]

Ngl i usually dont see the benefit of blaze away

I dont think it helps any breakpoints?

Except maybe crushers

[pliant sentinel]

i love gothic medieval sci-fi

[slow spade]

It does

1 shots on body vs gunners

Blaze Away is very handy

[tall torrent]

Gives u better boss dps and against waves or crusher/bulwarks but I don’t think it gives any notable breakpoints

[dusty sluice]

Your only really using lmb lets body shots on gunners and one hitting ragers

[slow spade]

Also its never "just 1 gunner" so it gets frequent value

[woeful ibex]

if you got Flak/unarmored even shotgunners get tapped too

[gusty bison]

Mm fair

[slow spade]

Ah true

[gusty bison]

I always go for headshots on gunners cos PHAT BULLET

[tall torrent]

Rager 1 tap non-crit needs some investment

[dusty sluice]

Ye

But it makes it easier

[slow spade]

I try to as well but when the range is like 30m out. It gets hard to tell where the head is

[dusty sluice]

Much

[tall torrent]

U can one tap dreg rager with 5 stack tag
But scab rager needs flak perk I think

[gusty bison]

Phat bullet though

[tall torrent]

It gets to around 1631 smth on a headshot

[gusty bison]

Its kinda ridiculous how phat it is xD

[dusty sluice]

Doesn’t for me I believe

[slow spade]

2nd verse same as the first

[woeful ibex]

Flak perk for body

He doesn't use Maniac

[gusty bison]

I also run tag keystone on plasma

[woeful ibex]

Only Dreg Rager

[slow spade]

God I have only a 20% flak perk on my plasma and its actually low enough for me to not get the breakpoint

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[gusty bison]

So its just habit i tag the guy before i shoot him

[woeful ibex]

its still decent

[slow spade]

Indeed

Just annoying

[woeful ibex]

its great you still get bonus damage to SCAB GUNNAH

[tall torrent]

I find the crusher 3 tap a little more useful than rager 1 taps

[gusty bison]

Scab gunner is the easier of the two gunners to kill

Bh

[woeful ibex]

although

[gusty bison]

Dreg gunner is the annoying one

[woeful ibex]

Scabs are easier to deal with than Dregs

[tall torrent]

Dreg u need elite perk + 15% elite, then assuming ur dmg roll is not shit, you should be able to one shot him with 5 stack RF without tagging him

[slow spade]

Yeah scabs have 1200 hp

[gusty bison]

25% Unarm also is enough if u dont wanna go +15% elite

Fwiw

[slow spade]

Vs 1400 on dreg gunners

[tall torrent]

Unarmored just saves u points

[gusty bison]

Mhm

[tall torrent]

But I find left tree just pretty strong for plasma

[slow spade]

I usually go mutant to 1-shot flamers

[gusty bison]

Its nice ye

[slow spade]

Maniac*

[gusty bison]

+25% ammo is solid

But sometimes i wanna go right and mid

[slow spade]

God the ammo talent is so good for plasma

[gusty bison]

The melee buffs are really really good for plasma

[slow spade]

It makes survivalist regen 1 shot every 2 kills instead of 3

[slow spade]

Agile Engagement 💪

[gusty bison]

Mgm

Mostly cos plasma wants to melee a lot

[pliant sentinel]

They should add the power axe to darktide

[tall torrent]

I don’t think AE alone hits anything important notable

[pliant sentinel]

tbh

[gusty bison]

Cos its one of the few guns that actually has ammo economy lel

[tall torrent]

AE doesn’t give u flamer bodyshot 1 tap unless u have maniac perk

[gusty bison]

It does for ur melee

[slow spade]

It does if you don't have perks

Mark + agile lets me 1-tap maniacs

[gusty bison]

AE with Redirect fire I think also gets you to rager 1 tap

[slow spade]

That too

[tall torrent]

Scab rager yea

[gusty bison]

Mhm

[slow spade]

Plasma is surprisingly flexible thankfullly

[gusty bison]

Mostly cos it has no weaknesses

XD

[slow spade]

As intended 😎

[gusty bison]

And plenty of ease of use strengths

[agile forge]

I just wish the animation properly played

[gusty bison]

The biggest thing about plasma is it holds your hand

[agile forge]

the worst part of it is half the time you shoot and it just shoots air

deadly, deadly, deadly air

[tall torrent]

Also, I think there is a QoL BP for plasma

Thermal exhaust ~70%

This allows u to shoot 8 uncharged shots continuously before u need to vent, from 0% heat

If under, you only get 7

[gusty bison]

Cant aim? Plasma has aim assist

Bad positioning meaning poor sightlines? Plasma has 50 cleave.

Getting tagged in melee? Fast swap speeds.

[tall torrent]

You’ll end up at like 97% heat at the 7th shot, then for the 8th it’ll have the delay (which builds a little heat) and reaches 100% before firing

[dusty sluice]

This mine

[slow spade]

Plasma even has wall pen just for extra utility

[tall torrent]

Aim assist u mean chonk hitbox?

[dusty sluice]

I have gets hot iv on it now too

Can’t be bothered to find new sc

[gusty bison]

Yep

Basically the same effect

[tall torrent]

If they gonna nerf plasma I wish they make it a more HS reliant weapon

[dusty sluice]

Oh and Cara is unyielding

[wanton dawn]

Plasma has the most obvious nerf path of all

Transfer power from primary to charged shot

Obviously, it means that plasma will be gutted

[gusty bison]

Make charged shot use a bit less ammo

Make uncharged shot do less cleave and damage

Done deal

[tall torrent]

I don’t think it should miss the 1HS power on gunners & flamers tho

That would gut it

[wanton dawn]

Am pretty sure I won't find a better one

[gusty bison]

I mean.

You now actually need to build for it

Instead of having it out the box

Stuff like the helbore 2 needs 25% Unarm AND 15% elite

[tall torrent]

The gunner 1HS u have to build
Flamer 1HS doesn’t need that much build

I’d much rather they nerf the bodyshot dmg but keep 1HS

[gusty bison]

Another finesse gun?

Hum

We gonna get complaints of everything being finesse at this rate lel

Another option is to nerf LMB ADMs

[tall torrent]

Charged shots need better dmg & econ for sure

Maybe drop the ammo cost from 9 to 6

[gusty bison]

Mhm

I think dmg is fine for charged shots

Ammo consumption is the main killer

[tall torrent]

It already builds a ton of heat and doesn’t have great dps over a prolonged fight

[gusty bison]

Yep

Also u can blow up

[tall torrent]

At least now I won’t need for farm for plasma for a very long while

I have basically everything I need on veteran now

[gusty bison]

But do u have

A shredder build

:3

[tall torrent]

Autopistol?

Was never a fan of it on veteran tbh

[gusty bison]

Yes

[tall torrent]

For whatever reason autopistol doesn’t have the fast sprint-to-fire property that laspistols have

[gusty bison]

Florp

[hoary horizon]

What weapon does little ones use?

[gusty bison]

Yes

[hoary horizon]

Ulgo confiused

[gusty bison]

Yes as in all of them

[hoary horizon]

OH!

Ulgo has queshion then

[gusty bison]

Shoot

[hoary horizon]

Why not use bigger gun? Ulgo show how to feed weapon. Ulgo good teacher pet owner

[gusty bison]

Cos fartshark no let us

:c

[hoary horizon]

Ulgo ask shark to give bigger gun

[wanton dawn]

Our biggest gun are bolter, plasma and ... I guess agri brauto ? That fatboy only has 2 dodge

[hoary horizon]

Ulgo always wanted Bolter! Ulgo jealous

[agile forge]

Zarona is big gun at heart

[hoary horizon]

Ulgo aprove

[crude ermine]

Man I love recolours that look uglier than the original sets

And for some reason vet's head looks more like one of psyker's helms

[tiny summit]

Next scion helmet is going to be the most vomit+piss color yellow ever

[crude ermine]

And people will still buy it

Oddly enough

I feel the worst offense is having a random trinket be in the slot for all 4 classes

Who is going to buy a trinket

[idle swallow]

Is uncanny/mercy killer knife decent on vet with serrated blade, haven't really messed with knives

[zealous wyvern]

i heard someone say mercy is good with serrated

[crude ermine]

It exists

That's all I can really say about it

[hoary horizon]

Ulgo hear mercy for weaklings like heretic. Commissar never lie

[idle swallow]

I'm just sticking to me shovel then

[hoary horizon]

Good idea. Shovel funny... can Ulgo get help making shovel sharper?

[sharp ember]

that’s my preferred knife setup but it’s not gonna suddenly make knife clear hordes as fast as devil claw

nice and simple only aiming for the head

the other blessing that increases crit chance after dodging an attack sounds pretty good too

[agile forge]

Bromentum :)

[hoary horizon]

Thank you!

You help Ulgo lots. Ulgo say you Honorary pal. Can join Ogryn lunch table!

[wanton dawn]

Yeahhh... I'll pass on that big man, i would not want to disturb your lunch

[hoary horizon]

Is okay Ulgo not make mess!

But understand it sah

[wanton dawn]

I might have a fragile stomach by ogryn standard

[hoary horizon]

Oh Ulgo understand. Forget little ones not as strong as Ogryn

[wanton dawn]

Thats fine big man. I can throw a ration your way though !

[hoary horizon]

[hoary horizon]

if eretik get on chip protek tis lil un

[thick wolf]

suggestions for the absolute be-all end-all build as a one case scenario of "I have no more patience" build

[hoary horizon]

"Ulgo is angry" is deadier. All heretic die

[thick wolf]

very funny

[midnight totem]

Sweet we have an ogryn

[hoary horizon]

Ulgo good Ogrym stand on side of door so teamate not shoot him

[midnight totem]

I appreciate that big man. Whats your favorite melee to smash heretics with

[hoary horizon]

Ulgo not able to chose... but Ulgo like shovel!

Good for group of heretic and heretic who are alone with me

[languid rose]

Small question, anyone knows if the red bandana makes you bald?

[past knot]

Do it big man
Shovel is actually pretty fun and the sound of it amazing

[hoary horizon]

Is good weapon

[past knot]

It is

[hoary horizon]

Ulgo like shovel you hit and one that you slap. Both funny

[junior needle]

Mercy killer is alright but more for hard target damage, it only applies on the second strike and serrated blade is a permanent talent tax to use it.

[terse idol]

Hmm, what for?

[thick wolf]

the "I really can't be assed to trust pubs' capabilities" scenario

or just in case damnation pulls a bs

like the oops all ragers moment a few days ago

[lethal sorrel]

I like to go mass frag grenades in those cases

[slow spade]

Plasma + powersword + shredder nades + VoC

That's my go-to

[lethal sorrel]

but the 5% restore on friendly kill is unreliable

[zealous wyvern]

true darktide experience

i love vet only games i love vet only games i love vet only games

[slow spade]

Almost solo'd a plague ogryn after a daemonhost killed 3 allies (one left mid-kill :/)

[slow spade]

It gets more reliable when there's 15 gunners per room

I thought it was low too

But then they buffed spawns, then buffed them again, then buffed them again...

Now Hab Dreyko on Auric unironically has unending waves

[lethal sorrel]

Yeah, fun times.

[slow spade]

Like actually less than a second before the next rager wave 😞

With grenade tinkerer, I can get shredders that wipe shotgunner squads with 2 blasts

Very nice

[hoary horizon]

It missing 4 Ogryn

[zealous wyvern]

4 ogryn is fun too

but this is peak 40k war

just 4 dudes with guns

against all odds

[hoary horizon]

No no no

[zealous wyvern]

in this case 3 girls and 1 dude

[hoary horizon]

4 veteran 4 ogryn

[zealous wyvern]

that sounds like a good team

very strong like the Emperor

[hoary horizon]

Not like him. Emperor stronger than ogryn. Maybe like space marine

[zealous wyvern]

yes but for a strike team, that is strong

just like how the Emperor is strong

not the same strong

[hoary horizon]

Oh okay Ulgo was confiused

[frank ether]

melk giving me ideas today

[tiny summit]

The most brrrr gun that ever brrrrt

[frank ether]

I already have a godroll of this on zealot

and a pretty nice one on vet too

but sure I'll take it

shame these things have terrible finesse

now do I sack stripped down or speedload

[pliant sentinel]

Power fists when?

Hellgun when?

It needs to happen

[slow spade]

Combi-bolters when?

[pale spear]

what should i do with this?

[radiant chasm]

ytou want skullcrusher and uncanny strike

for blessings

[pale spear]

what are the ideal perks?

[tall torrent]

AoN -> uncanny strike
Unyielding -> flak / maniac

Take a Swing is good on standard issue shovel

[thick wolf]

big E reward for clearing hi-intensity vent purge damnation

[lethal sorrel]

I like Decimation, and then Thrust or Thunderous on the shovel

[modest sapphire]

where you mfs been at? my solo queueing hasnt found me any vets. I need survivalist on my team

[wooden lotus]

none of the accatrans feel that bad

i stopped being a columnus tryhard bc i got bored and they're actually pretty good with some decent blessings

i hear people trash em but meh

[stiff glacier]

I like all autoguns except the 2 burst one

[hollow ibex]

Agri burst is pretty good

But recoil can be annoying

[wooden lotus]

ya

[frank ether]

the only gun as bad as recon is shredder autopistol

and that one at least has okay maniac modifier

[stiff glacier]

When do we get autopistol that you can aim down sights instead of going gangsta style

[wooden lotus]

never

we gotta stay gangsta

[stiff glacier]

If i want braced autogun i take the agripinaa

Altho i do love shredder

I just have crap blessings

[past haven]

Wanna see a Plague Ogryn go bye-bye?

[torpid mortar]

this one useful?

[terse idol]

Yeah

I mean roll for the perks and blessings

It's really hard to brick a pgun

[torpid mortar]

ye

[zealous wyvern]

i find many vets

[torpid mortar]

😦

[terse idol]

You dont need a vet for survivalist

[terse idol]

Eh, I mean I'd try for purp

[torpid mortar]

I jammed it for gold

[terse idol]

Change SI for Gets hot, change, Specialists for either +Elite or + unarmourmed

Shattering impact that

[stiff glacier]

I only used survivalist for penance

Used the speed increase for the rest of time

[terse idol]

Shattering impact for Gets hot

[torpid mortar]

ok

[tall torrent]

Salvageable
Shattering -> gets hot
Specialist -> elite

[torpid mortar]

ok

[wary wharf]

I have the luxury of having several P-Guns. Each one definitely gets a huge boost from Gets Hot and is an auto include. With the Veteran Ability and ranged attacks the toughness boost from Gloryhunter is meh unless you're swarmed in a high intensity mission, otherwise Shattering Impact is 🔥

[thick wolf]

backstabs are a unique trait to the knife, right?

[junior needle]

Currently yes, or any weapon if you play zealot and take the backstab talent

(they stack)

[thick wolf]

that explains why in some cases I manage to ohko a mutant with a heavy stab at the back

if a bit inconsistent

[terse idol]

Shattering impact is butt

🥹

Or well its not that great from what I hear

[thick wolf]

might need to rebuild my current agrippa or build a new one for my merc build

[modern dome]

the name and pfp are an immaculate combo

[slow spade]

Sadly plasma gun already has 100% pen on unyielding

So scattering impact only helps allies :c

Which is usually minimal compared to plasma gun + weakspot hits

[crude ermine]

Shattering impact more like

Shit

HAH

[toxic leaf]

shattering impact is pretty nice for plinking a crusher pack and then your allies delete them

i would much rather replace either both perks (flak/maniac, not sure if maniac helps any BPs though) or gloryhunter to blaze away

unyielding is good though

[idle swallow]

nah I'm bringing gloryhunter as a lil treat for myself

[toxic leaf]

yea, its not bad either, plasma vet do be deleting elites

[crude ermine]

They should use a REEEAAAL weapon

[toxic leaf]

i recall seeing something here or reddit or somewhere about how plasma needs 156% between damage and stopping power, but i never actually found out what that "need" is for?

is just 1 shots on all specialists?

[terse idol]

You can delete a crusher pack in like 6 shots with a pgun

[deft crystal]

Is plasma as versatile as Columnus

Because if you have the brittle skill from talents then it still deletes crushers and maulera

[terse idol]

Just uh

Don't take SI

And get the meta blessings

Its the same because as far as I can tell it doesn't change the BP on plasma gun vs crushers

[crude ermine]

And become boring

[terse idol]

Yes and become boring

Pgun is the boring gun

[crude ermine]

As plain as a bagel

I could go for a bagel

Mmm

Bagel

[terse idol]

[toxic leaf]

6 shots is a lot, and you might not be cleaving all of them

and there may be higher priority specialists (bombers, snipers) that you want to pick off as well

[terse idol]

Okay to be doubley fair

It takes 3 shots to kill a crusher

With only uncharged shots

[toxic leaf]

which you should only be firing ofc

[terse idol]

Which is... somehow faster than a single charged shot

Yeah

Which

[toxic leaf]

im just saying, crusher hordes also mix in those dangerous specialists

so shattering impact does have a decent use case

[terse idol]

brittleness ain't gonna make that pack of crushers go away sooner maybe 1 second sooner but

Hmm

[toxic leaf]

15% rending for an ogryn smashing is nice

[merry glade]

dancing with crushers is primetime for trappers to shoot their matter-phaseable nets

[toxic leaf]

like, i dont think its optimal, but its not entirely useless for the group

[terse idol]

you don't need to dance is the thing

Because crushers get staggered on the 1st or 2nd shot with a plasma gun

As in they'll literally be knocked on their ass

That's a BIG stagger

[toxic leaf]

right, so you can stagger a group and then target out dangerous specialists mixed in

[terse idol]

Just finish them off

Pgun is soooo

Easy

That you won't have little downtime

[toxic leaf]

plasma gun has a billion priorities tbh

[terse idol]

It's the question of like

Why not just run blaze it

Blaze away

[toxic leaf]

crusher packs rarely end runs

what ends runs are thsoe goddamn trappers and snipers sitting in the back

and bombers

[terse idol]

And shoot the crusher and have EXTRA damage AND crit chance to shoot the rest

The trappers

1 shot

The sniper

1 shot

The bomber

Uhh

You shoot em

[toxic leaf]

yes...

[terse idol]

And pgun

Cleave

Will either deal with them

Or stagger them

THROUGH the crusher

[crude ermine]

And their ancestors

[terse idol]

Yeah

[toxic leaf]

i want to play the maps you do, where they always line up perfectly then

all 5-6 crushers, with the 2-3 bombers and snipers and trappers all lined up

in a histg game

i play vet a lot, and i win a lot, and i say that crusher packs are very rarely my focus after a few shots if other specialists are mixed in that need to be put down, because the plasma gun is uniquely qualified for all that specialist sniping and if you're the only one that can do that, its better

almost every class ha a way of dealing with crushers anyway in their meta non hipster builds

i would definitely change shattering if i had the freedom, ofc, but i think it sits below both perks if you have a 1/4 gun

either get a new one or change the perks out if they're shit before you swap shattering

[raw steppe]

perks definitely higher priority

on plas

since they hit bps

[toxic leaf]

yea

[toxic leaf]

plasma is more versatile than columnus because it has no weaknesses, unlike columnus

which has trouble specialist sniping because no cleave or pen

so that fat ogryn will block you from picking off elites sometimes

[raw steppe]

most of the time perks > blessings unless you have some bullshit blessing like dumdum or surgical or power cycle frankly

[toxic leaf]

columnus is a perfect example of a fantastic gun with a clearly defined lane and and clearly defined drawbacks

while plasma and zarona are just guns with no drawbacks that can do everything except horde clear

[raw steppe]

they do have drawbacks supposedly

the drawbacks just don't apply

in the current iteration of the game

[toxic leaf]

yea if ammo aura wasnt a thing

they'd have drawbacks

[raw steppe]

there's also mods

like

"no pickups"

or even STG

that are invalidated because of it

[toxic leaf]

lol

[raw steppe]

i love the resource crunch of histg without vet aura

very fun having everyone be at red ammo and wrestling with histg spawns lol

[terse idol]

Well they don't need to be lined up

[hollow ibex]

Not like any of the colum drawbacks really matter lol

[terse idol]

There's a rarely times when there's targets higher priority like a crusher that won't just get cleaved by the plasmaguns goofy cleaved is what I should say

[toxic leaf]

columnus not being able to cleave or pen is a pretty good drawback if no one else in your group is specalist sniping

[hollow ibex]

Barely matters tbh

[terse idol]

Because unchanged shots are so fast

[toxic leaf]

it matters a lot in histg imo

[white minnow]

it also has the dps to just kill whatever's in front

[hollow ibex]

Most guns don’t have much cleave

[white minnow]

i mean cleave and pen is nice but it's not something i care about much

[hollow ibex]

Exactly

It’s a nice to have

That’s it

[raw steppe]

it'd matter more tbh if ammo wasn't infinite

[hearty panther]

arco doesnt care for penetration, got it

[raw steppe]

if you had to waste a bunch of ammo shooting through stuff

[pale spear]

I could upgrade the maniac damage or i could replace firefrenzy with deathspitter lvl 4. thoughts?

[white minnow]

death

[toxic leaf]

like comparing columnus to plasma or zarona for sniping out spawned snipers or bombers is crazy

[hearty panther]

penetrate THIS

[toxic leaf]

its clearly qorse than the other two

[raw steppe]

it's not a big deal when you have infinite ammo to just empty a clip to shoot through meat

it is a big deal if you don't have infinite ammo

[white minnow]

if that's your only criteria

for how good a weapon is

then sure

[toxic leaf]

that...is my criteria for a drawback

i didnt say the columnus is bad

i said its fantastic lol

[raw steppe]

the problem is

once again

this drawback is negated

by ammo aura

so there's no drawback

[white minnow]

sure, but it has other strengths to make up for it

my problem with what you've said is that you've only said the drawback as if it didn't have strengths over the other two

[hollow ibex]

Yeah dude really tried to make a 1:1 comparison with the zarona

And plasma

[terse idol]

TO BE FAIR

Cleave is very important

[toxic leaf]

stop reading into it so much

why are people so defensive over their favorite guns

[terse idol]

Like I will conceded perhaps a drawback of the ciag is the lack of cleave, but he insane DPS more than compensates BUT!

[hollow ibex]

On something like the zarona yeah

[terse idol]

It is important

[white minnow]

i'm a revolver main

[hollow ibex]

But it hardly matters for a smg

[terse idol]

I hate the pgun and ciag 😌

[white minnow]

i can defend weapons that aren't my favorite

[hollow ibex]

Projecting much

[hollow ibex]

Impossible!

[white minnow]

because my evaluation of their strength is split from my preference for them

[toxic leaf]

i never called the gun weak or implied anything

lol but keep on going on

[white minnow]

well, you did say it was worse than the other two

[toxic leaf]

i said it has drawbacks and the other two do not right now

and now its a pissing match

im sorry i upset you

[white minnow]

wha

[hollow ibex]

I mean the criteria used to claim whether there was a drawback was nonsensical to begin with

[toxic leaf]

upi

you're right, im wrong

im sorry

[terse idol]

I'm so confused rn

[white minnow]

well i'm just disagreeing with you and i think the columnus being able to dump DPS onto targets that are more split up is nice

i don't think their strengths are significantly different enough to say that X is worse/better than Y without discussing a specific context

[bitter turtle]

Recon bad

I said the line

[white minnow]

it's not like patch 12 or before where it was easy to make statements like this because of most weapons being demonstrably and distinctly worse

[crude ermine]

HAHAHAHAHAHAH

[toxic leaf]

well put it htis way, in a given histg damnation (no maelstrom) game, assuming you are the veteran with plasma gun/revolver/columns and you have ammo aura, what would the limitations of the plasma gun be for that match

boss dps?

[bitter turtle]

Zarona and plasma both have pretty mediocre performance on bosses

[toxic leaf]

yea

they excel at picking off specialists and armor, they dont do real well at single target dps on bosses

[midnight totem]

Why shoot boss when glorious melee combat

[steep pier]

Just got a tier 3 blessing in armory

[wooden lotus]

they're respectable with some setups but yeah

you'd be better off running a power sword or a knife for boss deeps

[terse idol]

My Bolter go brrrrt

[toxic leaf]

see now the bolter is a weapon i would call weak and outclassed by plasma and zarona

[serene sage]

it's possible if your favorite weapon is the bolter

you just have to admit the plasma is better and you play the bolt because you like it

[terse idol]

Well only because Plasma gun is literally broken as fuck

[serene sage]

nothing wrong with that either

[toxic leaf]

yes, they're both broken

[serene sage]

don't compare it to the plasma and rev or col

[terse idol]

After having played with all 3, Bolter feels balanced, and actually specalized for something

[serene sage]

compare it to the Shotties, K12, Helbore

[toxic leaf]

bolter if you didnt know those other 3 existed, feels fine

[serene sage]

and Bolter seems outright balanced

[toxic leaf]

yea

lol

[terse idol]

Because Bolter does something that neither Revolver or Plasma doesn't do

Shred Bosses

😌

[terse idol]

maybe they can bring down pgun to bolter's level to make a balanced gun

[serene sage]

a little bit of both imo

[hollow ibex]

Nah bolter mains are professional cope artists

[toxic leaf]

thy need to nerf plasma and revolver, yea, maybe nudge the bolter

[serene sage]

you're talking to me

the dude who has like 400 hours with the gun

[toxic leaf]

i also use the bolter huhuhu, i just did one with it

its just satisfying to shoot

[terse idol]

Cope?
It's probably one of the best guns for "Specalists have a chance to turn into monstrocities"

Modifier

[toxic leaf]

there are few things more satisfying than a bolter mag dump

[hollow ibex]

If they fixed the draw speed I’d be much more interested in it

[terse idol]

I.. don't think so

[stiff glacier]

I kinda just dropped plasma after i used it twice

[terse idol]

I actually think the drawspeed could be increased slightly but the drawspeed actually makes you think

I don't want a brain dead weapon like pgun

[hollow ibex]

It’s actual damage level is fine right now

[terse idol]

Where I can just

[toxic leaf]

i think its ammo capacity needs adjusting more

[terse idol]

Whip it out whenver I feel like it

[toxic leaf]

draw speed is a good drawback

[hollow ibex]

Expect against infested

[toxic leaf]

but its mag capacity is so pathetic

[terse idol]

if Pgun was as slow to draw as a bolter

Or slower

It would kinda be balanced

But as it stands it's just

Silly

[serene sage]

I think balancing for vet weps are simple
Plasma can blow up on left click, 10% more heat when shot
Rev can have reduced cleave
Col5 can mostly stay the same tbh
Bolter with slightly better draw and +1 bullet capacity to 16 mag
Shotguns can use like 10% more damage

that's it

[toxic leaf]

plasma blowing up on left click would be huge

that is hilarious

i love that

[stiff glacier]

What if we got plasma pistol one day

[serene sage]

yeah make people actually interact with the heat mechanic?

it can be like psyker ish kinda deal

like over 100% won't kill you outright

[terse idol]

yeah

That'd be alright

[raw steppe]

the problem is that

the heat mechanic isn't balanced well right now

[serene sage]

but if you keep clicking and pay no heed to the heat

[terse idol]

It kidna is

[serene sage]

you die, simple as

[terse idol]

It's just based on heat

[raw steppe]

with the current numbers

[terse idol]

Increase heat with amount of shots

[serene sage]

well it's a start

[terse idol]

Balance based on TR

[raw steppe]

it either needs to take longer to vent

[terse idol]

I mean the stats make things alot less balanced

[raw steppe]

or each shot needs to generate more heat, and keep current venting speed.

[serene sage]

I mentioned that, too

[hollow ibex]

I think it just needs to be more focused on charged shots

Than spamming lmb

[toxic leaf]

i think the heat change goes into that

[raw steppe]

i think i'd be ok with more of a focus on charged shots if they cost like 5 ammo

instead of NINE

fucking ammo

also change the pen

[serene sage]

well with the silence FS has given

who knows what they are cooking

[raw steppe]

change the hitmass penetration to be like... 15 baseline and 100 on charged shots

[serene sage]

if they are cooking at all

[raw steppe]

instead of being 100 for everything

which is fucking ridiculous

[toxic leaf]

the gun also has a ridiculous...magnetism? idk how else to put it

[raw steppe]

aim assist

is what we call it

[toxic leaf]

but you can put the cursor i nthe general vicinity of a sniper 80m away and its a kill

bullet magnetism

[serene sage]

the plasma?

really?

[toxic leaf]

im not clicking heads, i promise you that and its always head shots

its noticeable on long range, not at short range

[serene sage]

I feel like it's one of the guns where the hitbox is all over the place

like sometimes I aim for head and it's a body shot

sometimes body shot turns into headshot

[raw steppe]

tbh that part i'm not too fussed about lmao

[terse idol]

Honestly, I talked about this befooore but all you need is

Make the left click do less damage

[raw steppe]

if they made it less aim assisty

the gun would feel kinda shitty

[terse idol]

Right click is now the main shot

[serene sage]

idk if we are experienecing the same thing but plasma hitbox is trash

[toxic leaf]

it would

[terse idol]

Left click for smaller enemies

Or "Uncharged"

[serene sage]

it's just the wall pen that makes it easy to hit

[raw steppe]

i think the way they should balance the gun around heat mechanic and ammo management

IMO

[toxic leaf]

if you have ever played destiny, i liken it to the old DMT from a few years back

[serene sage]

no idea mate

[terse idol]

it needs to be balanced around similar weapons

bolter

[raw steppe]

and let the "aim" based guns be the headhunters or sniper lasguns

[toxic leaf]

aim above the spot you want to hit and the game curves it down (at range)

for me is what i experience anyway

[serene sage]

anyway

thoughts on helldivers 2?

[terse idol]

uh

[raw steppe]

will try it today

after work

[terse idol]

As far as I'm hearing it's crashing

Day 1 release be like-

[serene sage]

that's a given

what else?

[raw steppe]

kek

but it looks promising

[terse idol]

I mean it seems to be hard

[serene sage]

gameplay looks ok

[raw steppe]

i'll buy it later

and let you know

[terse idol]

I'ma buy it later too

After it' gets more stable

[junior needle]

They were doing very little for about a year before they dropped the talent patch/console port. I wouldn't underestimate their ability to spend a lot of time doing very little.

[serene sage]

lmk cause I have friendgroup waiting on user reviews

[toxic leaf]

wish my job was like that

he says as he talks in discord while working from home

[serene sage]

who?

[toxic leaf]

me lol

[serene sage]

oh

well im on discord at work in office

so

yknow

[toxic leaf]

haha

[raw steppe]

actually i was laid off last year XD

so i took the 130k or so in severance

and now looking for new job

as full time job

[toxic leaf]

i should be clear i was talking about myself, i should have replied to the comment about fatshark doing nothing and spending a lot of time

[serene sage]

that's a p good severance bro

[raw steppe]

also getting $450/week in unemployment

[raw steppe]

ye i got 26 weeks cuz i was at the company for 5 years

and I also had 30 days of PTO

cuz I never take time off

[toxic leaf]

must have had a good job if that was 26 week severance

[raw steppe]

yeah I was a software eng manager at a big tech company lol

[serene sage]

you make $5000 every week?

cause that's nuts

good for you, ig

[toxic leaf]

yea you made what i do in a year in half a year!

[terse idol]

god damnn

[raw steppe]

yeah well

[toxic leaf]

its double!

[raw steppe]

good times are over lmao

nobody has a job rn

the ppl who do are making 500-800k comp

but tons of ppl i know got laid off

[terse idol]

Pain

[raw steppe]

tech is a pretty competitive place rn

[serene sage]

if you're making 500k+ then 10 years in you can probably retire

move to the midwest

and live like a king

[terse idol]

Could move to like the phillipeans, live like an emperor

😌

[serene sage]

yeah but no good internet

[raw steppe]

ye i think that's the goal lmao

[terse idol]

[serene sage]

cause latency will kill you

[toxic leaf]

america is a pretty good place to live if you have money

[serene sage]

just find a medium CoL area

which are plenty in the US

[raw steppe]

dont want to work like this

forever

too much stress

just gotta get rich

and retire

[toxic leaf]

invest the money

[serene sage]

how old are you might I ask?

[raw steppe]

31

[toxic leaf]

damn, younger than me and making double the money!

[serene sage]

retire by 40 friend

[raw steppe]

I'm a bit of an outlier lol

got really lucky

[toxic leaf]

good for you though

[raw steppe]

born into a pretty well-off family so i had good education and stuff

and in my career i got some good opportunities that other ppl didnt have

[toxic leaf]

genetic lottery is like 3/4 of the battle

[serene sage]

it's cool dude. you made use of the chance you were given
instead of some people who "retires" at 24 dropping out of college and play vidya all day

[raw steppe]

so definitely blessed by melk

[raw steppe]

lol i prob could've done that

[serene sage]

but you didnt

[raw steppe]

but seems lame

i dont wanna rely on my parents for shit kek

[gusty bison]

Wait, dropping out of college at 24?

🤔

Thats a long ass college

[hollow ibex]

Gotta enjoy it man

College is great if you can afford it

[serene sage]

exaggeration
i got my master at 25 so if you're right

[raw steppe]

i know some ppl who were in college for like 7 years

[serene sage]

you get the point

[raw steppe]

and i know this one guy

who took and failed the BAR 8x

imagine paying like 6000$ to fail 8 times

[serene sage]

some people just stay in academia forever

[raw steppe]

cuz each attempt is like ... 700-800$? idk

[serene sage]

I know 2 people who are doing post-doc well into their 30s

they are not even teaching, just doing post-doc

[toxic leaf]

my wife was in school until 28

[terse idol]

Its the struggle of the rat race sometimes, least he's still trying

[gusty bison]

Fair

[gusty bison]

"I am in this picture and I dont like it"

xD

[terse idol]

I might come back to school

I'm just work at my families restaurant

Hard to leave

[wanton dawn]

I am out for good me think

[toxic leaf]

school is overrated, learn a trade and be an electrician

[terse idol]

im 27, I'm scared

[gusty bison]

I just got back into academia after two years of industry

[serene sage]

hey we are the same age

[toxic leaf]

enjoy your late 20s

[serene sage]

trade school is school UwU

[toxic leaf]

this is not untrue

[stiff glacier]

24 and im slaving away in sawmill

[serene sage]

more like watching all your friends getting married and you're still single

[gusty bison]

[serene sage]

imagine going on a dozen dates and don't click with a single one 😔

truly outrageous

[toxic leaf]

i met my wife when i was 29, you dont have to settle early

[serene sage]

you give me hope

[terse idol]

I'm in an LDR with my bf at 27...

It ain't easy out here

[toxic leaf]

the only thing i would say is at that age, make sure you guys are on the same page, re: kids and family

[stiff glacier]

Imagine not having cajones to even try to go on a date

[toxic leaf]

i clicked with some people before, but it just didnt work out because they wanted kids and i didnt

[terse idol]

oh for sure

I mean that's certainly one of them goals in relationships

[toxic leaf]

so if you're in the dating pool at 28-29, its a serious discussion to have

[serene sage]

I think I'm the kind that needs to be friends with people before dating them

[toxic leaf]

you dont want to waste years of her life or yours and ifnd that out

[serene sage]

Which is hard cause everyone seems to have a partner of sort

[terse idol]

I mean what is a husband or wife if you're not friends

First

[wanton dawn]

Old time or smth

[terse idol]

If anything a marriage is an advanced level friendship to be fair

[serene sage]

idk, sometimes people secretly hoping for dramas and a whirlwind romance

[terse idol]

urgh

gross

[serene sage]

girls are gross 🤮

agreed

[terse idol]

I ain't got time or patience for games

TRUUE

[stiff glacier]

Well same

I wish i didnt need to take the first step to approach

[serene sage]

women ☕

[stiff glacier]

[serene sage]

this is a joke don't crucify me

[stiff glacier]

It is hard time for a misantrophe to date

[serene sage]

why would someone who dislike people want to get into a relationship though

[junior needle]

You can dislike people in general (because they're low quality) and like specific people

[stiff glacier]

Being loner aint good for the mind

[wanton dawn]

Better be alone than with bad company

implying you arent the bad one

[past knot]

Kantrael bad?

I was gonna try the lottery for it

But how they

[wanton dawn]

Which kantrael ?

[past knot]

Not the blue one

The other 2

[terse idol]

The Ia and MXII?

Theyre good

The Ia has largely powrcrept the MXII

[past knot]

Ah oki whats the perks and bless?

For la

[faint beacon]

Got this from a random drop and did some minor tweaking, more so upgrading their current perks/blessings, this even worth holding onto regarding SIM Shovels

[torn needle]

I'm sorry friends but I can't hold it anymore, I hate shieldgryns

It's like having a bulkwark but as an unkillable follower

[faint beacon]

I will assume the main reason why right now

[raw steppe]

if you wanna get yo dick sucked you gotta work for it lmao

[faint beacon]

you attempt sniping and they get in the way?

[torn needle]

Worse, they park their block in a choke doorway

[faint beacon]

It's a love-hate relationship

[torn needle]

[raw steppe]

if you go up in diffculty, they generally get a little bit more skilled

[faint beacon]

I love they tank and agro but sometimes I want to slam my head against a wall when they walk in front of my fire sometimes

[raw steppe]

you still have ppl like that tbf

but higher quality players helps lol

[torn needle]

I only play auric damn quick play so it's not very common but it's moderately annoying like a papercut when I get one

[faint beacon]

I'll take any Ogryn on Auric Damn

[torn needle]

I'll be shooting at gunners and they run in front of me and park their shield

[faint beacon]

just cause it helps a lot to have one

[torn needle]

Get em big man

I mean it's a minority of players

I know you can be good with shield but it feels like such a trap for some people, kinda like smite spam

[stone folio]

i only play ogryn gunlugger

[muted knot]

I understand your frustration but imagine you had a psykers instead, id rather have a ogryn eat some of my bullets than having a worthless witch by my side

[stone folio]

but then i went back to vet... and realised how poor the ammo efficiency is on the ogryn.... i get that its thematic but oooof

[torn needle]

True that, cadia lives and all that

[faint beacon]

Not all witches are worthless, hell I had a Pysker manage frontline one time

[stone folio]

also that gunlugger keystone needs help

[muted knot]

One time

In how many games

[muted knot]

It is so bad man

[faint beacon]

Out of all my game's I'd say a good 5-10%

its not common at all

but its really nice witnessing

[torn needle]

I generally don't run into bad psykers, it's just that they tend to struggle pulling their own weight on average

Which isn't the worst thing

A decent psyker with void and bubble is gonna be fine on like any team

[zealous wyvern]

there are kantrael/agripinaa helmets, infantry guns, shotguns and i think even melee weapons

[muted knot]

I'm sorry but if you aren't pulling your weight with whatever class you are a bad (insert class)

[hollow ibex]

I often see psykers doing top damage

[muted knot]

I feel like my expectation for psykers is completely satisfied if they use their bubble often

[muted knot]

Then you aren't killing enough

[torn needle]

I don't mind people not pulling their full weight all the time, I only care about the people who are so bad they throw the match

[muted knot]

That's fair

[torn needle]

I can pull a bit for the 250k damage players it's not that bad

[hollow ibex]

I mean they’re running massive dps glass cannon builds lol

[muted knot]

I still will leave every lobby that has more than 2 psykers

[stone folio]

kinda happy with this

[muted knot]

Gun psykers probably

[torn needle]

Those witches, damn heresy isn't it

[hollow ibex]

Sometimes not even gun psykers

[trim steppe]

I have found that most psykers are decent, and most do pull their weight, just usually not in damage output. While psykers can top charts, usually they do not. But most I encounter usually end up making the run considerably smoother through damage mitigation, cc, and position defense (using bubble and smite/lighting or some mix)

[muted knot]

No respite probably not great but that's definitely workable

[hollow ibex]

If anything it’s newer psyker players I see that run shield

[muted knot]

Maybe I'm just mad at myself for not clicking with psykers man

It's the only class I still have at like level 7

And I wanna like it

[stone folio]

honestly the agip shotty doesnt have alotta blessings to go for when you want damage

[muted knot]

But I just can't man

[torn needle]

I mained psyker before vet

[trim steppe]

understandable, they're the most different class, some people just dont jive with certain mechanics. For instance I recognize the effectiveness of lasguns (save the recon) but I cant effing STAND using them

[torn needle]

It's pretty fun because dueling sword exists

Ds4 and bubble turns the hardest monster into a joke

[trim steppe]

btw I recommend you push through. Psykers are sort of bleh and boring at low levels, but once you unlock more of their weapons and talents they really start to shine. I had to grit my teeth through like the first 20 levels before I appreciated them

But, to each their own

[serene sage]

Happy? In my 40k game? How dare you.

[muted knot]

Flavour fail honestly

[muted knot]

Maybe if they add some new content

I can hardly motivate myself to play in general at the moment

I much rather play my other terrible grind game which saps away my soul with every time I start a match

[raw steppe]

There's too many good games rn

[gusty bison]

Just tried raking fire shredder

[raw steppe]

to play a game u dont wanna play

[gusty bison]

Its surprisingly alright

[raw steppe]

raking fire is rly good now

after the buffs

[gusty bison]

Yep

[muted knot]

Is there ?

I redownloaded bf 1 because I was bored lol

[frank basin]

He’s gonna say indie games

[raw steppe]

yes there are so many lol

idk how far behind you are

in terms of gaming in terms of months

[terse idol]

Uh

Flak