veteran-class

[clear narwhal]

Is 20% base damage a good amount? does it calculate well into actual damage?

[slow spade]

Compared to "2.5%" lmao

[gusty bison]

Ogryn damage is nice but situational

[serene sage]

i used it for some amount of time, it's up every horde lol

and up for like half the hallway fights

[slow spade]

Yeah in the situations where high damage is good

[serene sage]

remember you don't need coherency for it

[clear narwhal]

if you consider that you get it most when you're doing lots of killing, you get it when things get busy, and then you can use it to kill whatever's attacking you

[gusty bison]

Nah

For a fair number of weapons its kinda pointless

Its useful if it pushes you over a BP

[tall torrent]

It’s ok, cuz on avg it procs from 40 kills from ur teammates (anywhere)

It’s not bad by any means

[slow spade]

Lol

[clear narwhal]

Oh damn, I thought it was only in coherency

[serene sage]

it's everywhere

[clear narwhal]

you get it from any teammate kill

[slow spade]

Yeah everywhere

[clear narwhal]

sweet

[gusty bison]

I dont mind it.

Its not a bad option if neither ogrynd damage nor rending really helps ur build

[serene sage]

so that loner zealot might actually help you out

[gusty bison]

Which is true of a lot of builds

[slow spade]

Competitive Edge is also easy to see when it procs

So you don't have the Disrupt Destiny moment

[hearty panther]

I'm always edging

[serene sage]

🤨

[gusty bison]

Example: My bolter build BPs dont change with 25% oggy dmg

[serene sage]

reminder that it's also monstros damage

[gusty bison]

Ok fair thats nice

[serene sage]

on bolter you mag dump bosses anyway, that's a lot of damage

[hearty panther]

The Oggy node is just wild since all of them are also elites and you have 15% for those, too

So it's really 35% ogryn damage

[slow spade]

I take both for the funny damage

[serene sage]

little man complex

[hearty panther]

Which is incredible.

[slow spade]

Somehow I don't instant kill reapers with my plasma

[serene sage]

we small but we kill big

[hearty panther]

Veteran is fucking dumb lol

[serene sage]

deal with it haters

[gusty bison]

My helbore also doesnt want ogg damage

[hearty panther]

We need an enemy Ogryn Specialist.

[thick wolf]

what the fuck is this big E?

[serene sage]

🧱

[gusty bison]

A brick

[clear narwhal]

they're too dumb to specialise :)

[tall torrent]

You might need elite + unyielding perk with tag to 1 tap

[serene sage]

throw it at the emperor palace window

[gusty bison]

Tbf u can beat people up in melee with it

[dawn garnet]

you got a blessing 🙂

[slow spade]

Do not worry, Hadron will give you +10% groaner damage from now on instead UwU

[slow spade]

Indeed :c

[serene sage]

I just pretend that mutie are oggies

[slow spade]

I went maniac on my plasma to 1-shot flamers

[clear narwhal]

I need maniac on my power sword to 1tap muties

[slow spade]

I wish I could spare for unyielding

[slow spade]

It also lets you 1-tap trappers

I found that out the scary way

[serene sage]

I don't need anything on my Power Sword because I don't use it

[clear narwhal]

[thick wolf]

brunt what the fuck is this mobility

[hearty panther]

I know my Bolter one taps Reapers

[gusty bison]

Kek

[hearty panther]

And Plasma is like

Pretty sure you need 80/80

[gusty bison]

With e stance?

[hearty panther]

To do all the sexy shit

Ye with X

[thick wolf]

I wanted to build another agrippa and brunt hit me with the 9% mobility

[gusty bison]

I know mine is deffo 2 tap

Nowhere near a 1 tap

[serene sage]

same

[hearty panther]

Surgical?

[gusty bison]

Yea

[serene sage]

yuh

[hearty panther]

Hmmm

[serene sage]

not xs though

[hearty panther]

How do I achieve such magic

[gusty bison]

Im doing around 2.4k

2.2 to 2.4k

[serene sage]

2 tapping reapers?

didn't you already say you one tap em lmao

[hearty panther]

I have Carapace Unyielding too so

[gusty bison]

That shouldnt bring 2.2-2.4 up to 4k

[serene sage]

I mean if you stack enough headshot damage

[thick wolf]

on shotties, general consensus on kantrael shotties?

[serene sage]

maybe you can?

[gusty bison]

I like scattershot + flechette

Set everything on fire

[serene sage]

there is a lot of headshot damage on left side

plus 25% from PF

[gusty bison]

Make everyone bleed

[gusty bison]

Plus ogryn damage

Plus focus target

Hum

[serene sage]

im sure you can one shot reaper if you really build around it

[hearty panther]

I use no Keystones

[gusty bison]

I think its possible

At what range do u one tap

[serene sage]

at 40m out everything is possible

[gusty bison]

Inverse falloff baybeee

Longshot go brr

[thick wolf]

also kantael shotties always have the lowest ammo capacity, right?

[serene sage]

with that I would need to see a clip of you one tapping reapers lel

[slow spade]

Yeah

[serene sage]

that doesn't seem enough?

[slow spade]

I use Full Bore + No Respite for funny damage

[dusty sluice]

wahhhhh

no 550

anyways what should i change

[serene sage]

a little bricked ngl

[thick wolf]

shit, I might have to sacrifice a bit of my shotty infil talent tree if it meant getting slightly more ammo for kantrael

[serene sage]

stats are good, maniac 3 is okay

I guess you can change both blessings

[thick wolf]

and I fear that hadron would brick it

[slow spade]

Low stopping power is very bad

As it determines your damage vs armor

[thick wolf]

that's why I want to rebuild an agrippa shotty

because it has liek 70% stopping power and I'm not sure if I'm too happy with what I got for it

[slow spade]

Think of it this way

[slow spade]

+10% rending talent value UwU

[gusty bison]

Ye. Ergo why fireshot good for maximizing ammo efficiency

[hearty panther]

calc shows 3300~ damage on a crit headshot

without finesse math

because idk how to do it

[gusty bison]

If u can kill 5 elites with 2 bullets

[slow spade]

Can't even kill a groaner 😔

[gusty bison]

Kanny's low ammo reserve is a non issue

[clear narwhal]

Is this a good base? can I work it into something nice?

[hearty panther]

groaners really do be the final boss

[gusty bison]

Mine is fullbore and manstopper

For agri

[tall torrent]

Incredibly bricked

[clear narwhal]

lmao

good thing it was in melk then and not something I took to hadron

[thick wolf]

melk kantrael

[dusty sluice]

change both blessings orrrr?

[slow spade]

I'd keep surgical

But idk much about bolters these days

[atomic zephyr]

how did you get a t2 on a 380?

[slow spade]

imo, I would go Surgical + Pinning Fire

[slow spade]

Ungodly hate from Hadron I assume

[atomic zephyr]

either that or from bruntshop

honestly

i'd change both blessings to a higher tier surgical and either pinning fire or shattering impact

20% maniac is solid and reload speed isnt the worst thing to have on a boltgun

[sonic marlin]

this is pretty great right? Is this like between columnus mk5 and agri iag?

[bitter turtle]

graia is my favorite one yes

only loses a little dps compared to columnus and has the stability to snipe faraway targets fairly easily

[sonic marlin]

nice, what blessings to go for? Dumdum and?

[hearty panther]

@serene sage @gusty bison
https://youtu.be/8e6UNbnkv8E

[bitter turtle]

dumdum + firefrenzy/deathspitter for damage

dumdum + stripped down for utility

[untold mulch]

I need to make one

[bitter turtle]

dumdum + raking fire if you wanna do the back shooting meme

honestly

the 2nd talent isnt that important

[dusty sluice]

blue from brunt

[atomic zephyr]

checks out

[sonic marlin]

ok, perks on this one are fine-ish right?

[atomic zephyr]

i need to figure out a good graia iag
every one i pick up just feels meh

[bitter turtle]

yes

flaniac good

5% doesnt make a big difference for an automatic

you arent missing any bps

you just shoot

[sonic marlin]

cool, needed a change from columnus

[bitter turtle]

you basically build it the same exact way

[sonic marlin]

im going for agri iag but i haven't rolled a decent one yet

[bitter turtle]

its just more range for a bit less dps

agri can be built like an HH autogun but I think its easier just to play an HH autogun

i remember helping someone test the other day

to oneshot bp gunners you need to jump through a lot of hoops

like

needing kill zone active (no enemy in 8m) level of hoops

ofc you can just build agri like columnus too and it works fine

[thick wolf]

big E reward, and a comparison to my older shovel

[tulip condor]

Hey, not a plasma fan but gonna give it a try. Whats the ideal perks and blessings you want to handle maelstorm?

[agile forge]

Blessings are surprisingly unimpactful.

I feel like something like Maniac/Unyielding is the way to go on perks but I'm not sure

[tulip condor]

mmmm then Ill guess ill use what i have

[agile forge]

I think of all the blessings, Gets Hot is a bit better than the others

and Blaze Away

[tulip condor]

Sounds like these 2 will do just fine then

aight, thanks for the tip

[hearty panther]

left one is best in my opinion

[agile forge]

80 damage 80 charge rate 80 stopping power

[hearty panther]

and yea theyre quite good

[agile forge]

sad 5% crit chance perk though

perks are way more important than blessings for plasma

[hearty panther]

ye

[tulip condor]

is what it is. Could make until I got better perks

got the resources for sure

[hearty panther]

honestly its w/e you want/ w/e youre willing to work with

plasma is right on the edge of a BUNCH of breakpoints and you can push it in a bunch of directions

but youll never get ALL of them

[agile forge]

although it's not too big a hassle to just LMB twice generally

Plasma is too efficient

[hearty panther]

yea its not like the killshot is far behind

imo flak is the best one

bodyshot scab gunners is pretty big

and for me the best part is if your tree is set right you can also two-shot bodyshot maulers

and since they love to pile up

extra emphasis on the plural

[tulip condor]

I think thats what im asking. what i need for those breakpoints

[hearty panther]

x stance usually

[tulip condor]

ah

hate

[agile forge]

Use voice and just click an extra time if you need to

[tulip condor]

yea

[hearty panther]

thats why its a w/e you wanna do thing

[terse idol]

[rain flower]

literally the first drop of the day in prime condition for rerolling

[sonic marlin]

nice

[terse idol]

Easy game

[thick rose]

WITNESS ME!

[hollow ibex]

F

[finite imp]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-drop-gif-1982649100088909979

[thick rose]

its funny but im not sure which part of me is laughing

[crude ermine]

The evil part

[thick rose]

actually think that stripped/dumdum unyielding and like flak or carapace isnt that bad

yo

h o rny is blocked

really

lmao

[hearty panther]

stripped down is quite good

its just not damage and for some people that's apparently inexcusable

[wanton dawn]

Stripped down issue is that it is hard to get meaningful value out of it in practice

[wanton dawn]

H0rny jail !

[crude ermine]

Pnis

[tiny summit]

Which they are stupid for. But really it's why dmg blessings are bad because everyone just wants dmg

Like how Warframe has how many mods dedicated to just flat out more dmg

[crude ermine]

Some of them just existing for the sake of existing

[wanton dawn]

Also stripped still got nerfed by losing passive speed boost

[crude ermine]

WHAT

[hearty panther]

stripped down is actually stupid strong

since a) we have duck and dive

you can literally be intangible FOREVER

just keep holding sprint

and b) you recover one entire stamina bar when you are shot by even a single bullet, and yes even if its toughness damage

the game will literally feed you the ability to proc stripped down again the moment it runs out

but yes i do sincerely miss the move speed version of it

i used that shit so much

[wanton dawn]

The thing is: you still recover stamina by dodging or running sideway so you only get value when sprinting into enemy or backward. And you dont shoot while sprinting

Losing speed passive also nerfed melee avoidance

[crude ermine]

Stripped down, agri IAG, deadshot, duck n dive

Because SOMEONE said it in the wrong chat smh

[hearty panther]

you dont, unless you have duck and dive

point B is universal for all classes

[thick rose]

once they unfuck the stagger bug I guess it becomes slightly less good

[hearty panther]

which is why i dont even really run duck and dive that much

[wanton dawn]

This is vet chat

[hearty panther]

my point is its a good fucking blessing

[tiny summit]

Lmao

[terse idol]

What bug

[hearty panther]

if youre getting shitfucked in a corner by five gunners you can just press Q and hold shift for a single split second and turn around again to leave

the game will legit give you all the tools to do it

[wanton dawn]

"I love stripping down", said the vet

[tiny summit]

Not my fault. I blame discord for my skill issue

[crude ermine]

As you should

[thick rose]

you arent meant to get knocked back into totally uninteruptable staggered state by gunners and shit (when you have toughness?)

they fixed it then, unfixed it in a recent patch]

[wanton dawn]

It does help repositioning

[thick wolf]

is stability important for boltgun?

[hearty panther]

yes

oh god yes

[thick wolf]

damn it brunt

[stiff glacier]

Are the headsets that veteran bots wear only for them?

[hearty panther]

less so with X Stance

[terse idol]

I frankly don't know if that's even a bug

[hearty panther]

yea if you use x stance then the stability is almost whatever

but that sway is hilarious

[terse idol]

I thought it was intended that gunners would keep you back so you can't just run into melee in a straight line with toughness

[wanton dawn]

Bolter plays exec stance and deadshot nowadays

[terse idol]

Its so fun

Especially on damantion missions with weakened monstrocities

[thick wolf]

whenever I use bolter I just magdump the nearest crusher

[hearty panther]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8e6UNbnkv8E

its very theraputic to just

click on the bad dudes slowly one at a time

and it really does have goofy crowd control

[wanton dawn]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046912126746374274/1203074090760671304/Warhammer_40000__Darktide_2024-02-02_21-24-28.mp4?ex=65cfc50f&is=65bd500f&hm=518be2cf0ef33807745e85c43cee628737b1a6b961d72304cb632616498b5772&

[thick rose]

hahahaa

you cant say s ex tape

fucken

americans

[hearty panther]

oh

fucken youtube sometimes

[thick wolf]

I can barely aim with the buggy ass ADS it has

[hearty panther]

https://youtu.be/8e6UNbnkv8E

there we go

[thick wolf]

may as well just treat it like an oversized videogame autoshotgun against anything close to me

[hearty panther]

thats silly i sent that to two other people and didnt realize it was still stuck on private

nobody TOLD MEEEE

[thick rose]

I recently read that if you ADS/unADS between shots its hacky?

[hearty panther]

yes it resets some of the visual recoil

[thick rose]

I dont fuck with bolter because the animation when you pull it out annoys me on a certain level

[hearty panther]

but it also cuts down on some surgical ticks

[thick rose]

"high functioning auricism" I think its called

[wanton dawn]

Bolter dont need duck n dive: target down is enough to keep your stam fed for deadshot

[hoary horizon]

Veterant? Ulgo has queshion

[crude ermine]

What's your question ulgo

[wanton dawn]

Go on big man

[hoary horizon]

Do you think trainning lady likes Ogryns?

[crude ermine]

Of course

[wanton dawn]

Errr... probably, in her own way

[terse idol]

After playing bolter it actually feels more balanced
Because you have to give yourself the thought to give yourself the time and space to commit to pulling it out and blasting

[hoary horizon]

[terse idol]

Rather than the plasmagun being

Uhhh

I draw it and left click

[thick wolf]

just M1 and win

[hoary horizon]

Thanking you veterants

[terse idol]

Then swap back

[wanton dawn]

You're welcome champ

[thick wolf]

kinda wild it only expends three shots for what's basically an oversized quake 2 railgun shot

[terse idol]

Plasmagun had caused irreplicable damage to gun balance

And its terrible

[thick wolf]

I was expecting it like 5 or 10 or something

[wanton dawn]

Bolter require some talent optimization to get the best out of it

But honestly ? Feels good to play

[terse idol]

Yeah

[wanton dawn]

Still the best sniper weapon imo

[terse idol]

I feel like if we balanced plasma gun like it, it would... actually be balanced

Maybe increase the draw speed on plasma and increase ammo consumption big time

[tiny summit]

Now need the balance and/or removal of VoC and Focus Target and buffing the other 2 skills

[thick rose]

it would be more palatable to me if the animation for drawing the bolter was a big labored swing

the charging thing every time is annoying 😮

[wanton dawn]

Plasma need primary nerfed and charged buffed

Bolter need better magdump

[faint perch]

the bolter needs a damage increase imo

[gusty bison]

Eh

How does that help

Ngl

[crude ermine]

Needs a size increase

[wanton dawn]

Nah, ads bolter does huge dmg

[gusty bison]

It already 1 taps most things

[crude ermine]

Comedically size increase

[gusty bison]

More damage doesnt help it one tap most elites harder

Unless u wanna start 1 tapping crushets or smth

But that requires a ludicrous damage buff

[wanton dawn]

You reach 50%+ crit on ads bolter

[thick rose]

bigger ammo pool would be nice

[wanton dawn]

80% if you wait to aim

[thick rose]

just less annoying

[gusty bison]

Thing is already atm its ammo is mostly infinite

[tiny summit]

It's more so the handling of the bolter compared to every other gun and especially plasma

[gusty bison]

If ur using it properly

[hearty panther]

bolter handling is fine

in that it is entirely in line with what it is

[thick wolf]

was never a fan of deadshot

[hearty panther]

huge and fucking clunky

[tiny summit]

Though I do want bolter to just completely penetrate through a horde

[crude ermine]

I always liked that part of it

[thick rose]

I dunno how to say this

[crude ermine]

It's odd it doesn't tbh

[wanton dawn]

Bolter problem is that you cannot go melee talent to use it properly: too much required node

[hearty panther]

you can

[gusty bison]

The main thing is the hipfire is complete dogshit

[tiny summit]

It should create holes through poxwalkers

[gusty bison]

At least on vet

[thick rose]

Ill skip the I can do X and just say that the reaon I dont use the bolter is because of the ammo pool and the time to ready it.

[gusty bison]

On zealot is salvageable

[tiny summit]

Counterpoint: mag dumping makes joy in my head

[thick rose]

just small adjustments to those two things and I would enjoy it

[gusty bison]

The ammo pool is mostly infinite tbh

[hearty panther]

thats my bolter tree

[gusty bison]

I dont think it needs a buff there

Swap time is

[wanton dawn]

Lemme show mine

[gusty bison]

Well

[hearty panther]

from the same vid where i was one tapping reapers

[gusty bison]

I getcha

[crude fiber]

Braced bolter variant for better full auto spread

[thick rose]

remove braced from the game

thanks

[gusty bison]

But like there is a serious danger of say

[hearty panther]

and yea the mag dump for vet is just

[gusty bison]

Making every gun the same

[hearty panther]

do two shots at a time

dont actually magdump it lol

[gusty bison]

Mhm the 2 tap is ok

[thick rose]

actually. I read someone say that they should have made braced autos LMG variants with big mags

[hearty panther]

i have no evidence but i swear the game cant keep up with the RoF

[thick rose]

that would have been so smart

[gusty bison]

But the ads is just better

[hearty panther]

and some shots just get ate by already corpsed enemies

[gusty bison]

Also ur spread is insane

[hearty panther]

its really just for zealots with chastise

[gusty bison]

And dance of death

[hearty panther]

and duelist

really though

[gusty bison]

Cos zealors can -75% spread -50% recoil

Which is massive

[hearty panther]

well its more the armor downgrade

and it only lasts for 3s

[gusty bison]

Suddenly u can chain headshots

[hearty panther]

which is slightly longer than a botler mag lasts

[thick rose]

I hate agri braced on vet and love it on zealot

[gusty bison]

This is only useful for carapace

[thick rose]

so yeah

[gusty bison]

Tbf

[hearty panther]

so sure, vet and zealot both can kill about the same amount of crushers

[hollow ibex]

That's basically what the braced columnus is atm

[hearty panther]

but zealot does it in 3s lmao

[gusty bison]

Yep

[hearty panther]

with no recourse for ADS use after

[gusty bison]

Cos zealot can laserbeam headshot while downgrading to flak

[crude fiber]

Braced weapons on exec stance are great. Don't want to try them without tbh

[crude ermine]

Never tried brace weapons

[hearty panther]

see this spread is insane to me

[hollow ibex]

I use braced Agri on vet without exec and it's great

Don't need exec for it

[wanton dawn]

Well, it works for me

[hearty panther]

https://youtu.be/dvqnixyv0Pk?si=W0gL350fWyiVWH2o

[thick rose]

people always say in vet "braced agri with exec" but it sounds like staring into the sun can fortell prophecy to me

[hearty panther]

you can save on the reload nodes by learning this

yes you can reload it in under 5s this way

for x stance to reproc

[gusty bison]

Its easy to use

[crude fiber]

Columnus braced auto with death sitter fire frenzy is pretty fun

[gusty bison]

Thats its entire thing

[pliant sentinel]

Hello fellow guardsmen

[thick rose]

agri IAG is easy to use

[gusty bison]

Which is a perfectly fine thing

[thick rose]

and it is the perfect gun in so many situations to me

[gusty bison]

Yea but if u arent aiming for heads brauto is better

[tulip condor]

Agreed

[gusty bison]

The entire premise of brauto on vet is that you arent bothering to aim for heads

[hearty panther]

@gusty bison
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8e6UNbnkv8E
and this is my evidence for earlier that i forgot to actually list

[tulip condor]

Brauto is basically going Rambo

[wanton dawn]

I know myself enough to know that i cant be bothered with animation cancel trick

[hearty panther]

you do need 4 stacks of PF to do it

[gusty bison]

Ok so it is with exec stance

Ye

[hearty panther]

and it does have to crit but

surgical

[gusty bison]

Ye i think fox and I thought u meant without x stance

[hearty panther]

oh no

definitely not without

i tried real hard

its the 25% weakspot that puts it over to do it

[gusty bison]

And 25% base damage

[hearty panther]

yes but you can get 25%+ from target keystone

but it wont get you there

[frank ether]

Feel like I'm not finessemaxxing guns I might aswell play zealot

[gusty bison]

Ah

[hearty panther]

even with redirect fire

[gusty bison]

Vet has better melee buffs

:3

[hearty panther]

vet is seriously broken

[gusty bison]

At least more reliable ones

[hearty panther]

zealot can ramp up hilariously in a fight

but vet is baseline like 70-80% what zealot does in that long fight

[gusty bison]

Mhm yea zealot has higher peaks

[thick rose]

I have found col and grai braced much better than agri

[frank ether]

It doesn't reach the highs zealot can reach though

[gusty bison]

Ye zealot is a rollercoaster

Vet is consistent

[hearty panther]

its so dumb

[crude fiber]

Grai braced rn

[hearty panther]

put weapon specialist and momentum side by side

[gusty bison]

Very consistent

[hearty panther]

make it make fucking sense

and dont even get me STARTED on VoC. AGAIN

[crude fiber]

They even buffed it last patch I think and it's still pretty bad imo

[thick rose]

grai braced is the only braced gun where I think bracing has a point

[gusty bison]

Its nice on zealot

Turns into a laserbeam

[crude fiber]

I'll take your word for it, I'll stick to colomnus

[gusty bison]

Cos zealot cancels out the sway

[thick rose]

im like a bracist

[gusty bison]

When ur braced

[thick rose]

so dont listen ot me XD

[frank ether]

you can also eat carapace with brauto on zealot

[thick rose]

press f to murder

[frank ether]

fury of the faithful is funny

[thick rose]

man

[crude ermine]

Hnnrrnng I hate the brace race

[crude fiber]

The faster fire rate is cool but it's dps even then isn't very good. I'll actually try on zealot since they get the reduced spread

[thick rose]

am i a moron or is it not clear that fury makes guns go carapace die

on zealot

[crude ermine]

Both

[hearty panther]

its not stated

its magick

[thick rose]

im really lazy with RPG shit

[crude ermine]

Kidding

[thick rose]

I literally hate reading

in games

[crude ermine]

I sentence you

To read the darktide code

[crude fiber]

Fat shark doesn't even do that

[thick rose]

I wish I enjoyed theorcrafting, its such a drag to my extreme gamerism

[crude ermine]

He will be the first of many

That are not FS devs

[crude fiber]

How much fire rate boost can zealot get with fury and momentum?

Vet can get 20% from wep specialist

[crude ermine]

Iirc

A lot

Idk if chastise affects fire rate or not

Never thought about it too deeply

I rushed guy and it dies

[frank ether]

yes

[hearty panther]

40%

[crude fiber]

Fury is 10 I think, is momentum 1% per stack? Cause I'd want to test that then with blue juice on grai braced lol

Damn thats crazy

Double what vet van do

[crude ermine]

Zamn

[frank ether]

fury is more for downgrading armor

[crude fiber]

Sure but I just want to brrrtt

[crude ermine]

And for saying fuck you to many things

Except bursters

[hearty panther]

bursters too

dash at the right moment and it wont hurt you

[crude ermine]

True

[thick rose]

hear them at the last second and have heart attack

[crude fiber]

You think their suicide bomb will save them from me?

[crude ermine]

But that'll only happen if they pull a ninja

[thick rose]

speaking of audio

[crude ermine]

Go on

[thick rose]

that top of hotfix 31 wasn't "we fixed audio" is one of the things of this time in space

[crude ermine]

I've been having moments where hounds and mutants sound like they went through puberty twice with their lower pitch

[crude fiber]

After extensive community feedback about audio issues we've decided to nerf recon lasguns

[crude ermine]

I was very concerned when I first heard it

[thick rose]

they also fixed "female cosmetic upper clipping"? but like.. every one of those chem dog sets has totally dogshit shoulderpads that sit out like a dogs testicles

[crude ermine]

Interesting analogy but yes

[crude fiber]

They no longer think

[crude ermine]

I don't blame them

[merry oak]

It's begun

[dusty sluice]

how would i do a funny lawbringer manstopper build

[slow spade]

Manstopper + Scattershot is how I would do it

[dusty sluice]

i mean in terms of talents

but ye

[slow spade]

Ah

[dusty sluice]

thats what i'm going to do

[slow spade]

Sadly at work :c

But try to pick up the Ping keystone or Marksmen keystone

Considering Law shotgun + Manstopper wants the funny crits

[dusty sluice]

also stopping power too low orrrr?

[hearty panther]

find out

see if you can still ADS click shooters in one shot to the head from distance

[slow spade]

Can't 1-shot scab ragers

Brb holding x on it UwU

[dusty sluice]

only really will use it for the funy

and use dclaw for ragers and stuff

[slow spade]

Was joking, don't think it can 1-shot them regardless

[dusty sluice]

ah, mb

[slow spade]

Even my No Respite + Full bore Kantreal has issues unless they're close :c

[dusty sluice]

seems fine tbh

with flakiac or just flak it should be good

[slow spade]

Its not PERFECT, thus an insult to the Omnissish's will

Brb holding X on it

[dusty sluice]

wah

[sonic marlin]

Can yall tell whats wrong with this picture? Its not about the missions being organized

[flint lake]

A man stopper shotgun is really just a worse plasma gun tbh

You can make it work if you enjoy it but you’ll just be building a plasma vet with extra steps

[dusty sluice]

The silly

[flint lake]

Shotguns need another buff. They should be at least powerful enough with optimal perks and blessings to one tap dredge shotgunners

With a body shot

[gusty bison]

Thats... a lot of damage

1k without crit?

[flint lake]

I really don’t want to hear about how you can do it already with a headshot from a couple meters away.

[dusty sluice]

So any suggestions for silly build?

[gusty bison]

With how fast shotguns shoot thats a bit much

[gusty bison]

Laspistol Knife for a little silly

Agrivolver and Shovel for a lot silly

[dusty sluice]

I mean funny manstopper lawbringer

[gusty bison]

Oh

[dusty sluice]

But those are some very silly ideas

[native hamlet]

lot of interesting difficulties there

[gusty bison]

Scattershot manstopper

Gotta max that crit

[flint lake]

Shotgun + shovel with stealth using the melee tree

[dusty sluice]

What abt talents?

[gusty bison]

And go for reload speed

Wep spec agile of course good combo

[flint lake]

Reload speed is convenient but not super necessary so long as you’re good about regularly reloading when you’re repositioning

[gusty bison]

Its useful for loading the special shot

Since what u wanna do is

Special shot

[dusty sluice]

Perk or that talent?

[gusty bison]

Load

Special shot

[gusty bison]

Talent

[dusty sluice]

Ye

[flint lake]

Talent

You’ll need the damage from perks

[dusty sluice]

Would ua and flak be good?

[flint lake]

Flak and maniac

[dusty sluice]

(I already have ua on my roll and I’m lazy)

[flint lake]

It would but that would be a fully optimized shotgun with max stopping power, damage, and power from perks + blessings.

God rolls should feel godly

Unfortunately the shotgun remains mediocre at B tier

Close to A

[dusty sluice]

It’s not meta

But it’s not bad

[hollow ibex]

Not everything needs to be a plasma

[dusty sluice]

Ye

[terse idol]

Its okay

Yeah

I mean this is why balance talk is kinda scuffed

We got two of the best weapons to compare

Pgun ciag

[flint lake]

Ofc but it needs to stand out better than just a worse plasma

[dusty sluice]

Mmmm, I love comparing a shotgun to a fucking “plasma gun”

[south garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/green-mile-im-tired-boss-michael-clarke-duncan-gif-5852775606711249238

[flint lake]

I make the comparison because folks try to build it into one with man stopper and Crit

It’s never going to be match up to it

Without significant changes to the current balance of either weapon

[dusty sluice]

Unless fs completely nerf plasma to recon level

[dreamy lantern]

id hope they atleast plan to nerf plasma lights

[flint lake]

Recon isn’t as bad as people say

[frank ether]

plasma buff and its consequences have been a disaster for sharktide

[dusty sluice]

It really is

[flint lake]

Recon requires though that you get headshots using marksman’s focus

It has a high skill ceiling

[south garnet]

Recon is """usable""" it's just not competitive at all, which is the reason people dunk on it so badly, because it performs poorly in basically any functional category one would prioritize during weapon choice

[frank ether]

I just hate that every gun that isn't an immediate no brainer OP beam of death gets compared to plasma/zarona now and its really tiring me out to hear the same arguments lmao

[wanton dawn]

Recon is prob the lowest dps gun in the game

[white minnow]

...well, you have to do that for it to be at least average

[dreamy lantern]

oh ye no i get it

people meta chasing is cringe

im usually running shotgun or a braced autogun and clearing dam fine

[white minnow]

high skill ceiling is not quite the right term if you're forced to perfectly use it for it to be at least average

[frank ether]

Like I have no problem with busted guns but at this point I want those two nerfed so ppl can stop the victim complex

[dreamy lantern]

but people are ADAMANT you need the best gear and options at all times

[hearty panther]

me with my taxe bolter

[south garnet]

I can also complete runs using knife special only, that doesn't make it a "good weapon" though respective to others

[wanton dawn]

...not really. Recon has 0 interesting properties. No recoil, unoticiable agility, no cleave

[dreamy lantern]

no, but it IS viable, and thats all you need

[south garnet]

But ultimately recon's biggest issue isn't even that it's not competitive, it's that it's utterly boring

[white minnow]

yeah, the lack of recoil just destroys the skill ceiling aspect of it

it is as point and click as an automatic weapon can be

[flint lake]

It’s a very vet trait reliant weapon.

[light ore]

i'm pretty sure fatshark is terrified of nerfs cause then negative reviews get put on the front storepage complaining that power sword went from 8 charged swings to 3

[wanton dawn]

So is bolter

And agri brauto

[white minnow]

recon lasgun is also one of the guns with the worst synergies with marksman

[wanton dawn]

And inf lasgun

[dreamy lantern]

i kinda want em to differentiate the accas more, turn the 6 more into an lmg and 2 more into a dmr so the 3 can stand apart and be good separately

[flint lake]

???

[white minnow]

it's crits strings got nerfed and it has bad finesse multipliers

[dusty sluice]

Is it?

[white minnow]

what is the ??? for

[dreamy lantern]

yeeee, its like 0.3 or 0.45 finesse right?

[fossil nymph]

good gun

[white minnow]

it is very self-evidently one of the guns that benefits the least from marksman

[wanton dawn]

To get the best out of it kinda

[white minnow]

something around that ballpark yeah of like 1.5x

i didn't really look at the damage table to avoid being too sad

[dusty sluice]

Onslaught or smth?

[wanton dawn]

Gun that are not that reliant are columnus iag, plasma and zarona

[dreamy lantern]

i have a sheet on my desktop somewhere where i was testing it

its super depressing

[wanton dawn]

Not great on agri brauto imo

[dusty sluice]

What’s the needed talents then?

[wanton dawn]

Agri brauto is great on weapon specialist with exec stance

[dusty sluice]

Never tried it

I use it with Rashad which eats most of my talent points

[wanton dawn]

Lemme get the build

[dusty sluice]

Ty

[south garnet]

the best damage table in the world can't help a weapon's handling feeling like an incontinent piss dribble

[dusty sluice]

Real?

[south garnet]

in my mind

[wanton dawn]

Smth like this. With some wiggle room on the reach talent

[south garnet]

I don't have a single build that touches a keystone anymore ha

[dusty sluice]

The voices tell me to try it

[south garnet]

Nothing against the keystones really, I just prioritize other elements

[wanton dawn]

I stole it from someone else

[dusty sluice]

Nice

[wanton dawn]

Was impressed by the perf

[fluid solstice]

Are there server issues rn by chance?

that you may know of?

[south garnet]

Mine seem "fine," by which I mean to say they are in the expected tatters held together by loose duct tape because it's been so long since a proper server refresh

[sonic marlin]

Nah, its the fact that its a lvl 8 ogryn character that can't access most missions yet its shown that most missions were completed on damnation difficulty

it transfered from my veteran lol

[native hamlet]

lol

[frank ether]

specialist exec is a weird combo but yea about as good as it probs gets for brauto

[fluid solstice]

I'm getting a repeated backend error

[south garnet]

I'm not getting that

[sonic marlin]

backup your settings file and then verify steam files

[wanton dawn]

It is weird but thats because agri brauto get very little from the other keystone in practice so you just upgrade your melee instead

[white minnow]

oh nah that's not a bug, it's just that those mission completion indicator wings are account-wide

[wanton dawn]

And weapon specialist does increase fire speed

[white minnow]

just fatshark implementing it in a bad way

[fluid solstice]

trying that now. Forgot to backup tho.

we'll hope for the best

[sonic marlin]

nah ur settings file is gone now

gl

[fluid solstice]

I’ll live

[sonic marlin]

its fine unless u got shit ton of mods

[fluid solstice]

I have a couple but those are pretty easy to configure

[sonic marlin]

smh getting a new character to 30 is annoying as hell

[fluid solstice]

...should I be taking this in context with the convo or is this an entirely new one

[frank ether]

yea another combo I like is onslaught focus mark but equally problematic points wise so I agree better to just get passable melee

[sonic marlin]

[fluid solstice]

bastard

[wanton dawn]

I dont value onslaught a lot in practice. Costly to reach, lead nowhere and only really great against crusher

[south garnet]

More diversity in enemy types would do a lot honestly

[tall torrent]

Trying to give MG12 its 1 tap breakpoints without exe stance is actually cancer

[dusty sluice]

would this work?

for smth like this

[wanton dawn]

I recommend deadshot and the 10% crit node on full ammo to reach 100% crit on special shell spam

60%+25%+10% and base 5%

[dusty sluice]

is it needed with scattershot?

[wanton dawn]

Well, its still 40% crit without scattershot

[dusty sluice]

ah

[dusty sluice]

what should i drop for that?

[wanton dawn]

If you spam special shell you can drop reload speed

Cuz you would only use standard shot under pressure

[dusty sluice]

ig

[wanton dawn]

Maybe i should revisit my lawbringer

[dusty sluice]

extra rld speed is kinda nice

[tall torrent]

I wish the refresh node for exe stance would be changed to smth like “add 5s to existing duration”

[idle swallow]

The fact that you need to spend a point to refresh the timer on highlight kill is wack and should be baked in by default

[raw steppe]

Reload speed applies to special afwik

[wanton dawn]

Really now ?

[dusty sluice]

ye

[raw steppe]

Ye they changed it in p14

[dusty sluice]

and the highlight ranged enimies

[fossil nymph]

Wiener

[wanton dawn]

Man i missed half the info

Granted those patch were beastly

[tall torrent]

Yes but the refresh should be changed to “add duration” instead so you end up with greater uptime between killing highlighted targets

[dusty sluice]

wait with just one weapon spec stack ill have 93% crit chance

[south garnet]

man thank goodness there are some regular people and not weirdos in this game

[dusty sluice]

"you"

[idle swallow]

I understand it being refresh cuz on any high intensity damnation mission add duration would mean you would be in exe stance for minutes afterwards with some of those waves, would be nice tho

[wanton dawn]

Unless something else changed weapon spec crit chance applies to the 1st shot only

[dusty sluice]

its not too hard to grab one stack tbh

[tall torrent]

Given that it turns off the moment you swap to melee I think it needs all the uptime it can get

[wanton dawn]

HOTFIX ?

hotfix

[dusty sluice]

i have no clue how this works

[wanton dawn]

Yeah, we can block ppl now

[wanton dawn]

If you have 11 ammo in your shotgun, it applies to shell 11 and 10

[tall torrent]

Currently, when your ammo in mag >90% total mag size, you get +10% crit chance

It’s a meme node basically

If you’re gonna take this, take the 5% crit chance node instead

[wanton dawn]

It is exploitable with shotgun special shell

[south garnet]

It's okay for revolver but it's not good or great

[tall torrent]

Only at near-max load for not a lot of crit chance difference and doesn’t apply to melee

Meh

[idle swallow]

Need a single shot laser musket to take advantage

[wanton dawn]

It allows to reach 100% crit

[tall torrent]

If it worked like applying to any reload (including partial reloads) then it’ll be a lot better

[tall torrent]

I feel like revolver really does not need this talent to be crit most of the time

[wanton dawn]

Am talking shotgun though

[south garnet]

if wishes were horses I'd be playing darkhammer or whatever this game is called 2

[tall torrent]

For shotgun I think deadshot + scattershot is more than enough tbh

That’s like 90% crit chance already?

[dusty sluice]

i just saw a lvl 978 not taking duty and honour in the mourningstar lmaooo

[tall torrent]

If weapon specialist on top of that then it’s already >100%

[wanton dawn]

Sure, but that's a easy grab that give you consistent 100% crit on a build that abuse crit

[dusty sluice]

what should i swap for deadshot?

[tall torrent]

Actually weapon specialist already gives u near 100% crit chance

33% (1 stack)
60% scattershot
5% base crit chance

That’s like 98%?

[tall torrent]

Which melee are u using

[dusty sluice]

iv dclaw

or knife

[tall torrent]

Uh

Maybe drop confirmed kill

Go out for blood

Take 5% move speed path

[idle swallow]

drop iron will because you're a chad who will never get hit (pro gamer)

[dusty sluice]

ck is kinda nice to have imo

[tall torrent]

Yes

Which shotgun are u using

Kantrael?

[dusty sluice]

smth like this

for the funnies

[tall torrent]

I don’t think you’ll be getting as many special/elite kills to be getting as high value out of CK tbh

[dusty sluice]

good point

so grab deadshot or ofb?

[tall torrent]

Both?

Can’t u go this

[dusty sluice]

oh forgot about close order

[wanton dawn]

Oh, make me think, i need to test a theory

[dusty sluice]

i am very silly

[dusty sluice]

guh

[merry glade]

i swear im dc'ing more and more each hotfix

[dusty sluice]

mod issue?

[merry glade]

likely. i'll have to run through em

[wanton dawn]

Bwahahah, I WAS RIGHT

[serene sage]

this looks cool

we need those

[wanton dawn]

Taking serrated blade on thunderous rashad increase TTK on at least dreg rager from 4 hit to 3

Because the bleed stack thunderous faster

[dusty sluice]

how much extra cleave does manstopper give?

[sharp ember]

off the top of my head, something like +20

enough to hit everything in a patrol line

[dusty sluice]

brain small, how much poxwallker dead

[sharp ember]

20 extra poxwalkers dead

[dusty sluice]

yey

[wanton dawn]

I am going to try a melee rashad with serrated blade

[dusty sluice]

also how much hitmass is a reaper

[sharp ember]

alright check this out

https://youtu.be/7ztDPr-9NQY?t=368 this video claims and seemingly proves almost 100 poxwalkers

so basically plasma-tier cleave

[sharp ember]

not sure, i haven't found an up-to-date source after patch 13

[terse idol]

Yess shotguns are

Something

Not my vid but very funny

[sharp ember]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2894619510 this guide says 100 mass, but it pre-dates the talent tree and weapon overhauls

[dusty sluice]

so thats why the agri revi can cleave two groaners

[sharp ember]

yeah, groaners are made of wet paper so any attack in the game will hit at least 2 of them

[dusty sluice]

did the plague ogryn used to look different?

[sharp ember]

nah, that's just a really weird and gnarly screencap

[dusty sluice]

ah

[sharp ember]

but yeah i know at least some parts of this guide is outdated

the darktide calculator says the mk13g chainsword's cleave lights have a value of 4.5

but it can only hit 2 scab bruisers, implying 2 scab bruisers have at least equal to 4.5 mass

[frank basin]

What about mk4 cleave heavy?

[sharp ember]

ah shit hold on i wrote that wrong

the mk4 chainsword heavy has a cleave of 8, and that hits 3 bruisers comfortable from memory

[tall torrent]

12.5 on gameslantern

[dusty sluice]

the kant with flechette doesn't seem to apply bleed to everything hit

any reason for this

[sharp ember]

i haven't observed that behavior before

[tall torrent]

Warp influences (fatshark’s bugs)

[sharp ember]

oh i had no idea they had an enemy compendium, that solves everything for me

says here scab bruiser mass is 3.5 which tracks with mk13g chainsword light only able to hit 2

[tall torrent]

Yea

[frank basin]

Is shotgun bleed bad?

[tall torrent]

It sounds rly good but doesn’t do that much in practice

[sharp ember]

shotgun bleed is strong if you can reliably stack it

it lets you use lawbringer like a kantrael without using the kantrael

[dusty sluice]

could it be its only the ones hit by the projectile?

[tall torrent]

Basically
If you’re counting on shotgun bleed to kill a lot of things for u, it won’t happen most of the time if your teammates aren’t brain damaged

[frank basin]

Yeah teammate take over your kill spot

With their Muh meta weapon

Specially ogryn (archly) stubber

[sharp ember]

i think that's right, the kantrael fire shell is slightly unique in the way it cleaves

this shouldn't happen with a lawbringer spread shot shell

[terse idol]

I thought the dragons breath always had infinite cleave

Just shoot that line without anything

[acoustic sapphire]

Does Precision Strikes apply to melee damage? I'm building a Commando.

[idle swallow]

ye

[acoustic sapphire]

Nice.

[tall torrent]

Kantrael’s fire dmg also gets buffed by no respite fyi

Which is kinda hilarious

[acoustic sapphire]

There's more melee focused talents than I have points for. It makes me sad.

[frank basin]

Enemy moving count as staggering?

[sharp ember]

if it makes them stop moving and wince it counts as staggering

[frank basin]

Does fire dot crits proc?

[sharp ember]

i do not believe dots can crit

[white minnow]

if you open yourself to the dark powers of smoke grenades and infiltrate, you have enough points to grab every melee talent on the tree (that i can think of)

[dusty sluice]

i don't think its intended

[white minnow]

you can also go down krak and VoC, but you are missing just 1 point from getting the overtoughness node

[acoustic sapphire]

That is unfortunately incorrect. There are 12 useful talents I don't have access to.

I started off making a balanced spread of toughness regeneration, and grenades, but now there's barely anything left for melee damage, and crit chance.

[frank basin]

Out for blood as toughness regeneration

[sharp ember]

fire shells used to go through every wall in the game so you could accidentally hit daemonhosts in the next block over

[dusty sluice]

lmaooooo (also ignore my disgusting ui)

[dusty sluice]

ahahaha

[acoustic sapphire]

I'm definitely wanting to use Infiltrate, and back stab everything I see.

[frank basin]

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-spy-spy-tf2-gentlemen-gif-18144778

So you want be spy tf2

[dusty sluice]

LMAO

MY EARS

[acoustic sapphire]

Not exactly. More of a berserker that makes everything bleed.

[sharp ember]

i love you manstopper

[tall torrent]

Serrated blade?

Serrated blade is super niche tho

[earnest lodge]

Very

[dusty sluice]

bleed kinfe?

real?

[frank basin]

Pls not the blessing lacerate

With other bleed crits

[acoustic sapphire]

This is my current knife. I'm saving up Plasteel to make a few more, and get those sweet IV Blessings.

[dusty sluice]

why and how does it exist

[frank basin]

Flesh tearer

[acoustic sapphire]

I could run my Chain Axe, but I'd lose the speed boost.

[sharp ember]

bleed knife?
bleed grenades?

[dusty sluice]

mine

[frank basin]

Love XII chainaxe

[sharp ember]

chainaxe melee vet is one of my favorite setups tbh

[dusty sluice]

THESE TWO

are so fun

[sharp ember]

more of an agri shotgun guy myself

or even wop out the laspistol

[dusty sluice]

i use it on my zealot

[acoustic sapphire]

I'm going to run the Chain Axe this round, and see how it feels.

[frank basin]

I think is going be bad?

If you want be zealot-lite

[acoustic sapphire]

No, just trying something new.

[sharp ember]

you're probably in the range of 1 shotting crushers with that chainaxe with a fully charged rev

i wager they'll bleed out if you hit em in the face

[acoustic sapphire]

One Heavy reved, and one lite is a kill.

[faint perch]

My dream rn

[acoustic sapphire]

On Damnation. Probably one shot on Heresy and below.

[dusty sluice]

took "just a few" hours

[frank basin]

Lot furries here

[faint perch]

My luck is so bad

[tall torrent]

Thinking of taking this out for a spin

But the 1 tap BPs are so hard to build

[frank basin]

What’s bp

[earnest lodge]

British Petroleum (break point)

How many hits you need to land to score a kill

It's important for slower weapons

[idle swallow]

hadron don't wanna give me the thrust 4 otherwise I would go harder for the one shot

[sharp ember]

which enemies?

[tall torrent]

The 2 gunners

I don’t care about flamer 1HS as much because I realized I could 2 bodyshot them with this

[sharp ember]

i'd cope if 1 head 1 body is good enough

[tall torrent]

I could but

MG1a could hit for like 900 headshot

For the same 1HS + 1 chest result

[frank basin]

Counter mass

Countermass shot

[sharp ember]

does mg12 still boast higher unyielding multipliers

[tall torrent]

So I basically rolled this mg12 to collect dust

[tall torrent]

Yes

And higher weakpoint multi I believe

On flak it’s like 2.915x
MG1a is 2.615x

[sharp ember]

inchresting

[tall torrent]

But the biggest change I want for infantry lasguns is cleave buff

At the very least give MG12 same cleave like Helbore lasguns

[sharp ember]

i'd like if the mk3 helbore had extra cleave since it's the hardest hitting one

[zealous wyvern]

is this even true for power weapons tho

i thought the whole "charged for 1-4 swings" was darktide nonsense

[sharp ember]

it mostly is

a psword with a power cable attached is not gonna turn off

i headcanon we only receive bargain bin pswords

morrow absolutely has a psword that doesn't turn off

[idle swallow]

we got them great value power swords

[muted knot]

That would be amazing

[idle swallow]

at least a little cleave so I can shoot thru ogryn's big butts

[serene sage]

TIL we are people in high positions

[untold mulch]

We are in a high position

Both by the amount of stimm usage and the mountain of corpses we must climb through

[hearty panther]

in his pants

[serene sage]

He should call a doctor if it lasts for more than two hours

[frank basin]

What if he last over 5 hour?

[nimble sentinel]

||or call me||

[serene sage]

[serene sage]

Maybe if you stop killing them all

Your teammates will do it

It's like your Mom complaining that you never clean anything and she has to do everything while cleaning the bowl that you are actively eating from

[wanton dawn]

Twas bolter with 2 other vet

[serene sage]

Better start flaming em

Let em know

[wanton dawn]

Ammo eater

[crude ermine]

Woww you got pounced 8 times?

Smh

Gotta bring that number up

32

[slow spade]

smh you let allies get ammo

do better next time Veteran Uwu

also that Vet that took 415 damage and never used a med station

lol

[crude ermine]

Oh I didn't realize they fixed the magnetism on the IAG's on console

Neat

No more of this then

[wanton dawn]

Idk what you are talking about

[slow spade]

D:

that hurts the soul to see :c

[wanton dawn]

what ? THe melee damage on bayonet ?

[slow spade]

the lack of ammo pickups 😔

[wanton dawn]

I though i was at 0. Probably took something by mistake

[slow spade]

all the ammo is for the Vet

no questions asked

[crude ermine]

I got grabbed by a mutant

And a sniper still fired

I was basically fucked

[slow spade]

don't get shot

ill-advised

[crude ermine]

I'm more impr

Essed

Still shooting my head whilst a meaty steroid man was moving me up and down

[wet elk]

jesus lol

[slow spade]

"Stamina, Scattering Impact, Volatile" 💪

[terse idol]

https://tenor.com/view/frank-castle-wait-please-stop-please-no-please-gif-21133188

[slow spade]

Hadron has willed it UwU

[tall torrent]

+8% groaner & poxwalker damage

Shattering impact III
Volatile III

[frank basin]

is flechette and scattershot are gimmick?

[tall torrent]

Depends on the gun

Flechette apparently doesn’t apply for all enemies hit by kantrael’s fire shot

And relying on the dot to kill a lot of things for u is not good

[frank basin]

Lawbringer as example

[tall torrent]

Works? I guess?