Clear chaff
#veteran-class
dire olive
Play a match trying to use a combat axe with that bonus on one-shot blessing and you'll see how much chip damage there really is
Stacking it is a nightmare 
The moment someone throws a grenade or psyker uses smite you can't use it
tiny summit
Play a match trying to use a combat axe with that bonus on one-shot blessing and...
It feels so inconsistent. I think I would rather decimator or headtaker.
dire olive
Well yeah any day
It's bad
For aforementioned reason
It doesn't stack unless the target is full hp
So it becomes unusable the moment any AoE is used
Oh you have a purgatus/smite psyker? Get fucked nerd
frank ether
solar garden
Well, it's a pretty solid roll, but it was hard to tell.
Usually no one brings anti-armor (which is why I wanted to give the Caxe a shot) and what do I get? The most CRACKED Vet running bolter in my group, who deletes 90% of armor before it gets close enough to melee
Not that I'm complaining just... figures is all lol
wanton dawn
Caxe is fine but i still like my ps more
I need a weapon that can stagger rager groups
sharp ember
the guard sergeant drops a grenade on them and then chainsaws the lot of them before they get off the floor
sharp ember
pretty comfortable with all the ammo and damage they have innit
i’m pretty sure the columnus IAG has slightly higher potential ammo pool than the autopistol
gaunt delta
autogun is broken
Aw man. At least I played a few missions with it before the inevitable nerf…
It’s just accurate enough to hold center mass and climb into heads
Right when my “third and fourth shot in the Salvo” kicks in
(I like it on Zealot with the fast axe… (I can’t keep the caxes and the taxes separate))
umbral granite
Is it weird that the only 2 non lasgun ranged weapons i use on vet are the slug shotgun and the plasma gun?
spice wadi
Idk
gaunt delta
Hey, you vibe with what you vibe with, there’s no accounting for taste
I love the fantasy of slug shotgun, but I don’t have the aim or the skill to pull it off
umbral granite
I love the slug shotgun, partially, because the sound it makes when breaking a bulwark's shield is satisfying.
gaunt delta
As a Destiny Hunter at heart, I vibe with the hand cannon stub revolver
Partial reload for days. Still haven’t clicked with the rootin tootin one yet…
pliant sentinel
Aw man. At least I played a few missions with it before the inevitable nerf…
I meant it's op
not bad
lol
dire olive
Partial reload for days. Still haven’t clicked with the rootin tootin one yet…
The key is to download the mod that lets you change the terrible crosshair
gaunt delta
I also mean it’s OP
pliant sentinel
Ye it's aids
umbral granite
As a Destiny Hunter at heart, I vibe with the ~~hand cannon~~ stub revolver
I, unfortunately, cannot seem to roll a good revolver on my vet. but my psyker has one that's kinda cracked, even if one of the perks is bad.
dire olive
recon lasgun needs a buff
gaunt delta
Yeah, everything works in Malice (e.g. see my username)
pliant sentinel
Yeah, everything works in Malice (e.g. see my username)
based
I just started heresy last night
it's not much different from malice
clever estuary
Hm, any advice for getting the twins banner thing?
pliant sentinel
less health
gaunt delta
What’s different is my winrate feelsbadman
dire olive
Hm, any advice for getting the twins banner thing?
Don't play with randoms
dire olive
I used revolver personally
clever estuary
hm
dire olive
Plasma is good too
clever estuary
i have my VoC Veteran who uses the normal single action revovler
dire olive
Bolter too clunky
bitter turtle
Like bolter, plasma?
plasma + psword if you want the meta combo
umbral granite
I wish this was on my veteran instead of my Psyker...
bitter turtle
i suggest wep specialist keystone to stay mobile
clever estuary
plasma + psword if you want the meta combo
looks like i gotta role for a bolter now
dire olive
Field improv is also a life saver talent for twins fight
clever estuary
oh mb plasma
clever estuary
Field improv is also a life saver talent for twins fight
i run field improv all the time
looks like i gotta roll plasmas
rip my plasteel supply
but for VoC, is the revive aug worth it?
pliant sentinel
why must fatshark forsake the lasgun
dire olive
I think basic strategy for twins in terms of vet is that you focus on the elites
pliant sentinel
sadge
clever estuary
because i see people encourage the normal one with aug
dire olive
With a Zealot/ogryn to focus on boss damage
ruby hull
embrace conventional lasgun
Reject convention, use helbore for the pointy stick on the end
pliant sentinel
Reject convention, use helbore for the pointy stick on the end
also based
clever estuary
I think basic strategy for twins in terms of vet is that you focus on the elites
explains the Plasma and Psword
dire olive
Just hose down the maulers so everyone else can do their thing
clever estuary
Reject convention, use helbore for the pointy stick on the end
Reject Conventional Tactics, Stand in line and fight the horde like bugs from starship troopers
umbral granite
but for VoC, is the revive aug worth it?
It halves the radius of it's buff and stagger... I personally wouldn't.
clever estuary
yeah
ruby hull
I wouldn't mind the kantreal with a bayonet
I would if they have it the mk3 bayonet, even I can't save that disappointment
clever estuary
a lot of people say that
pliant sentinel
I would if they have it the mk3 bayonet, even I can't save that disappointment
ye mk3 is op but the bayonet is ass
very underwhelming
sad kriegsman noises
gaunt delta
Why choose revive when you can choose overshield and they never go down in the first place?
clever estuary
i main veteran so much it's ludicrous
pliant sentinel
i main veteran so much it's ludicrous
same
ruby hull
Mk2/1 though is absurd. One of the highest damage melees in the game
clever estuary
Why choose revive when you can choose overshield and they never go down in the f...
fair
imagine 2 vets with those
and they cycle it
pliant sentinel
I hardly touch my ogryn or zealot
clever estuary
pretty much a steady supply of toughness
gaunt delta
Very shout, much propaganda, so Imperial
dim citrus
What would be a good melee weapon for melee Vet?
ruby hull
I use revive on my bayonet build so i never have to stop stabbing
clever estuary
What would be a good melee weapon for melee Vet?
are you going for elite beatdown or crowd control?
pliant sentinel
I love it when they shout "THERE IS ONLY WAR!"
and then proceed to war all over the scabs
clever estuary
because depends tbh
gaunt delta
“PUT the KARKin BOOt iN!!”
clever estuary
"FIGHT! OR ANSWER TO ME!"
dire olive
I find blue shovel to be a good "jack of all trades" melee vet option
clever estuary
I find blue shovel to be a good "jack of all trades" melee vet option
agreed
dim citrus
I find blue shovel to be a good "jack of all trades" melee vet option
Is it the single target special or poke special?
pliant sentinel
"rALLy FoRmAtiOn, riGhT fRaGgiNg NoW!"
ruby hull
What would be a good melee weapon for melee Vet?
Helbore mk1 bayonet, plus mk6 power sword with brutal momentum for bayonet bonus damage. You think I'm joking and I'm not. You have crowd clear, oneshot almost everything and you absolutely melt bosses
clever estuary
i run a catachan devil's claw i got from Sire Melk
pliant sentinel
fucking lol
dire olive
Is it the single target special or poke special?
The flip
clever estuary
she's a good workhorse but she's showing her weakness in higher difficulties
pliant sentinel
Reject everything, embrace power sword
dim citrus
Helbore mk1 bayonet, plus mk6 power sword with brutal momentum for bayonet bonus...
Does the Bayonet ever come useful?
clever estuary
Helbore mk1 bayonet, plus mk6 power sword with brutal momentum for bayonet bonus...
im gonna take that down, thank you fellow guardsman
pliant sentinel
adamantium lightsaber goes wrrrrr
clever estuary
Does the Bayonet ever come useful?
if you need it in a pinch yeah
it's satisfying to just stab heretics head open
vernal harbor
Pee pee
clever estuary
poo poo
ruby hull
Does the Bayonet ever come useful?
Bayonet is my melee weapon, power sword is just there to provide bromentum to bayonet and as emergency carapace when I'm out of krak
dim citrus
Helbore mk1 bayonet, plus mk6 power sword with brutal momentum for bayonet bonus...
Why the MK1 ?
dire olive
Pee poo
clever estuary
Bayonet is my melee weapon, power sword is just there to provide bromentum to ba...
you dont have the extra krak
pliant sentinel
Why the MK1 ?
faster swing
clever estuary
i have a trench raider loafout
pliant sentinel
loafout lmao
clever estuary
i run a columnus infantry auto and the new knife
clever estuary
loafout lmao
wahteve
pliant sentinel
big funni
ruby hull
Why the MK1 ?
Mk1 has better shooting damage than mk2 which has same bayonet. Never use mk3 for damage it's bayonet sucks ass. With bm you can kill entire rows of enemies with headshots
clever estuary
and i think field improv
pliant sentinel
nifty
dire olive
Inb4 they give it recon damage
dim citrus
Mk1 has better shooting damage than mk2 which has same bayonet. Never use mk3 fo...
This a decent Mk1?
dire olive
Where melta
pliant sentinel
Inb4 they give it recon damage
don't jinx it
dim citrus
In the Rogue Trader game
ruby hull
This a decent Mk1?
Ye
pliant sentinel
you better knock on some wood
clever estuary
i wish we can have the normal cadian helmet
clever estuary
instead of the chonky one
pliant sentinel
chonky one is the normal one
woeful ibex
patch?
ruby hull
This a decent Mk1?
You want no respite, and onslaught if you can get it
clever estuary
chonky one is the normal one
doest fit right
clever estuary
with me personally
clever estuary
i mean
pliant sentinel
they look more practical
dim citrus
Luckly got No Respite
clever estuary
that some good blessings
clever estuary
they look more practical
true
dim citrus
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9affce48-dd15-4046-ba59-13aa0c50db05/za...
I see this is a classic "No keystones" build
clever estuary
why can't we get that helmet
i unnoticed
ruby hull
I go unarmored and maniac. Unarmored because dreg gunners end up as the longest kill time without it
dim citrus
It's been a while but did they improve the paths to keystones?
pliant sentinel
like tf?
clever estuary
It's been a while but did they improve the paths to keystones?
🤷
my VoC vet has the keystones
melts Heresy Elites fast
yo Zazy, what's your time zone?
dim citrus
Yeah I like the tag keystone
crude ermine
It's been a while but did they improve the paths to keystones?
Yeah
ruby hull
It's...better, not as good as psyker though
pliant sentinel
tag keystone is very nice
clever estuary
8 stacks and you get some toughess back is good
pliant sentinel
the shout build is good in general
clever estuary
and i neglected my long range veteran a lot
ruby hull
yo Zazy, what's your time zone?
It's central here, y?
clever estuary
because he relies on being a distance
crimson pebble
So is fire frenzy not just straight deathspitter but better for autguns
clever estuary
It's central here, y?
im tryna find someone to play with in general lol
im in like GMT+8 in asia
clever estuary
not rn
pliant sentinel
I'm not home atm
clever estuary
it's a school night
ruby hull
Rip
clever estuary
Oh you're still in school?
yeah, trade school
clever estuary
damn
clever estuary
yeah
dim citrus
It's nice seeing someone not from the USA
clever estuary
im from Singapore
dim citrus
Kazakhstan
clever estuary
what career are you going for?
mechanical engineering
clever estuary
Kazakhstan
that's pretty cool
pliant sentinel
It's nice seeing someone not from the USA
ruby hull
I've got a mechatronics degree, good times
dim citrus
Praise the God-Emperor, for his faithful are everywhere
pliant sentinel
mechanical engineering
I chose network engineering/cyber security
clever estuary
im tryna pursure a career in the military
pliant sentinel
cuz e-terrorists can swing for my balls
clever estuary
and maybe move out of my home country
so i can pursure some private military stuff
ruby hull
I do work mostly with industrial robots at our plastic molding company
dim citrus
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9affce48-dd15-4046-ba59-13aa0c50db05/za...
Would you recommend going for the ping keystone?
tiny summit
im from Singapore
Went to singapore last year. I liked it.
ruby hull
Would you recommend going for the ping keystone?
For the stab build?
clever estuary
Went to singapore last year. I liked it.
where you from?
dim citrus
For the stab build?
Yes
ruby hull
This is what I use here https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9affce48-dd15-4046-ba59-13aa0c50db05/zazy-stabby-bayonet-build?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button
dim citrus
I think that's the exact same one
ruby hull
I guess you could use it but you leave alot of melle damage on the table
tiny summit
where you from?
USA, was there for business. Or traveled there to then go on business
clever estuary
i see
pliant sentinel
USA, was there for business. Or traveled there to then go on business
stay away from Florida
tiny summit
This is what I use here https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9affce48-dd15-4...
Can't believe we still don't have that helmet
tiny summit
stay away from Florida
I'm Floridian
clever estuary
FatShit plis adddd!1!!1!1!1!1!1
dim citrus
I guess you could use it but you leave alot of melle damage on the table
I mean you can remove the Revive Shout
tiny summit
Don't live in Florida anymore but it is where I'm from and family is still there
pliant sentinel
I'm from Chicago
dim citrus
Florida is where Vice City is?
tiny summit
Yea
thick rose
🙂 ok
pliant sentinel
at least we have a female protagonist this time
all the incels can be quiet now
lol
tiny summit
You fool. It's more reason for them to be angry!
toxic seal
what melee weapons are better chained weapons or energy weapons? i use them to save ammo
pliant sentinel
You fool. It's more reason for them to be angry!
I meant feminists
crude ermine
Either
pliant sentinel
the incels never shut up
crude ermine
what melee weapons are better chained weapons or energy weapons? i use them to s...
Energy weapons and chained weapons are both nice but in terms of best the powersword works
pliant sentinel
What ever happened to WHO?
dim citrus
The shovel
pliant sentinel
warhammer online
toxic seal
Energy weapons and chained weapons are both nice but in terms of best the powers...
nice thx
clever estuary
im autistic in my own way and i use shovel or axe
tiny summit
what melee weapons are better chained weapons or energy weapons? i use them to s...
PS6 is pretty agreed upon to basically answer all your problems
dim citrus
warhammer online
The machine spirits got fed up
clever estuary
im using one of those like blue axe with a slow swing speed
and im considering changing to the ace that hits overhead
dim citrus
im autistic in my own way and i use shovel or axe
Shovel is probably my favourite melee for Vet for pure crowd control
toxic seal
PS6 is pretty agreed upon to basically answer all your problems
PS6?
toxic seal
Powersword Mk6
oh
clever estuary
ye
toxic seal
btw what is that "convict" yall got?
tiny summit
It's energized state lmb will everything. It's push attack combo energized will delete maulers and crushers
pliant sentinel
btw what is that "convict" yall got?
not sure
clever estuary
btw what is that "convict" yall got?
oh we just suffer
pliant sentinel
I am a convict
dim citrus
She's neat
pliant sentinel
roflmao
crude ermine
It's a role
toxic seal
yesterday i was brawling with my sword against the nurgle sister, idk how i survived
crude ermine
However due to some issues some of the recent newcomers don't get it
dim citrus
Ah
toxic seal
However due to some issues some of the recent newcomers don't get it
and what does it mean?
crude ermine
You automatically get the role convict when you join
toxic seal
oh
crude ermine
But because of things out of people's control some didn't get it
toxic seal
oh well, im sure tzeench is behind this
dim citrus
My beloved says you'll be fine
pliant sentinel
silence witch
your chaos magic doesn't fool me
I know you're secretly a sith lord
toxic seal
slaanesh?
pliant sentinel
i would fall for slaanesh instantly
toxic seal
i would fall for slaanesh instantly
i already did
pliant sentinel
probably
dim citrus
silence witch
The dome now dissipates. The squad of gunners keep firing. Flames pour out as a river. A click. Poxbuster blows.
clever estuary
i would fall for slaanesh instantly
put him down
pliant sentinel
in the grim darkness of the far future, there is only smut
clever estuary
*The dome now dissipates. The squad of gunners keep firing. Flames pour out as a...
my relinquilaries having burster resistancd
dim citrus
I know you're secretly a sith lord
I was an Imperial player in SWTOR
Agent first, then Inquistor
toxic seal
i was a sith in SWTOR
ruby hull
I mean you can remove the Revive Shout
True, though I prefer to revive with the ult in combat because the terrible equip time on the helbore leaves you really open after a rez
toxic seal
i started as marauder, then inquisitor, then agent, then mercenary/bounty hunter
clever estuary
True, though I prefer to revive with the ult in combat because the terrible equi...
or use the mod in the stealth branch
dim citrus
*my relinquilaries having burster resistancd*
The Imperium was not big into education beyond what was needed to serve the God-Emperor. This one is an example of a classic brute who failed to read that not only there was a poxburster, but a flamer and a squad of gunners as well. Bleeding out, the psyker runs away with a cackle.
clever estuary
*The Imperium was not big into education beyond what was needed to serve the God...
the veteran on his last legs yells "FIGHT! OR ANSWER TO ME!" beconking his allies to rise and fight. They rose slowly as the bore arms, and fight till non of the traitors are left standing, breathing, bleeding
dim citrus
*the veteran on his last legs yells "FIGHT! OR ANSWER TO ME!" beconking his alli...
The pad is put down back on the table. The Inquisitor scoffs.
"This report is bullshit. Shouting at people is no substitute to medicae."
A hand goes to his chin. He tilts his head. Fingers curl.
"So tell me, reject, how did you actually survive?"
ruby hull
or use the mod in the stealth branch
True, it makes the Rez time faster, but you still gotta deal with the equip time if you need to rez in the middle of a shit show
clever estuary
that's why i pick that aug instead of the other
dim citrus
"I pray..." His hand leaves his chin, making a sweeping gesture "it has nothing to do with the...unnatural..."
ruby hull
that's why i pick that aug instead of the other
The wot
clever estuary
Scions
hearty panther
the res aug is pretty atrocious
clever estuary
possibble 550
brother in the emperor what in
hearty panther
ive legitimately only seen three occasions where i can say it absolutely shined since october
dusty sluice
possibble 550
probably not tho
dim citrus
the res aug is pretty atrocious
I would be more fine with it if it didn't decrease AOE size
dim citrus
ive legitimately only seen three occasions where i can say it absolutely shined ...
The main use I've seen for it is to res the one person who's downed right before a drop while everyone else dropped
toxic leaf
everytime i see a 80/80 plasma gun on display where someone replaced a blessing isntead of like reload speed or some shit tier perk, my soul cries
hearty panther
its not the AoE decrease that hurts it really
toughness overheal is just that busted and can do way more to prevent a down
toxic leaf
gold toughness is the best boost in the game, not picking it with voc is mega bad
hearty panther
taking res cuts the uptime of the overheal from 50% to 33%
toxic leaf
tbf they dont explain anywhere the benefits of gold toughness
hearty panther
they don't and i wish they'd hurry and nerf this shit tbh lol
radiant plank
any thoughts on if left is worth picking up from melk considering i have the one on the right?
toxic leaf
like its much more than just 50 extra toughness
hearty panther
its so much more than 50 toughness
toxic leaf
they don't and i wish they'd hurry and nerf this shit tbh lol
the left is a god roll
hearty panther
in fact the 50 toughness itself is kinda irrelevant
toxic leaf
buy that asap
warm girder
Already did lmao
toxic leaf
are all offerings from melk the same
torn needle
Melk my beloved
toxic leaf
if i log in right now, will i see that plasma gun
warm girder
probably not, Idk how the shop works
toxic leaf
Melk my beloved
ugh i literally just got done saying how you should never replace blessings on a plasma gun!
torn needle
ugh i literally just got done saying how you should never replace blessings on a...
No need when 10% elite is already really good 
toxic leaf
blessings dont matter, the perks do because the gun is very fickle with breakpoints
does 10% elite let you body shot gunners?
flak does
torn needle
Why would you need to body shot
warm girder
should be aiming for the head anyway
toxic leaf
because its a 1 tap with flak
torn needle
I can one shot headshot everything
toxic leaf
dont need to aim, just hit them in the body
ruby hull
toughness overheal is just that busted and can do way more to prevent a down
I'm always open to tweaking build builds, tankiness the never an issue with it, but patching up the opening created by the atrocious equip time the helbore has as your main melee weapon without a block was
warm girder
dont need perks or blessings, just headshot
warm girder
Besides, half charging a second shot isnt really that big of an issue
toxic leaf
vs not charging it all kinda stinks
thats all, its not like its a brick
but plasma literally does not care about its blessings
now that they fixed the charge rate thing
torn needle
Blaze away is really good for dps
warm girder
or just play ogryn with regenerating rocks and a big ass MG
toxic leaf
blaze away is good, yea
pliant sentinel
Slaanesh is kinda evil
warm girder
lol
pliant sentinel
still would though
toxic leaf
but the gun already 1 shots everything on heads, perks let you get away with body shots on a lot of things
torn needle
Now I can just run unyield for boss dps with blaze away and get really good dps on monsters while one shot headshotting all elites and specials
pliant sentinel
purge me pls
torn needle
toxic leaf
maniac also lets you 1 shot ragers on head too afaik
without it, you will not
naked ones ofc
ruby hull
Elite damage on weapons always makes me hurt inside, though not as much as seeing crit damage
torn needle
Elite damage on weapons always makes me hurt inside, though not as much as seein...
Elite brings me to oshs bps
So it's really good imo
warm girder
ruby hull
Fair enough
torn needle
<:staregryn:1022085083844325376>
Not bad at all
slow spade
<:staregryn:1022085083844325376>
Hadron gets a scrap code bomb
toxic leaf
<:staregryn:1022085083844325376>
in the old days, volatile was the one blessing you had to replace
because of spaghetti code
slow spade
Not bad at all
No its pretty bad lol
toxic leaf
its not bad because he can changed out the perks
slow spade
The blessings are bad and the perks are shit lol
crude ermine
Giggity
slow spade
Indeed...
toxic leaf
the blessings do stink, although shattering has some utility
torn needle
Just change groaners to sprint eff and shattering to glory
warm girder
I usually use slug shotty anyway
torn needle
A grey well rolled plasma is plenty enough
slow spade
but plasma really just needs perks to be good
I mean that's a 40% damage and up to 50% crit potential not there
toxic leaf
plasma doesnt need that to hit bps
its crits also suck, it has low crit mods
and are inconsistent because of the overheat thing
warm girder
Shitty blessings but this is my main ranged weapon
eternal sable
is the vet vox mask working for everyone
torn needle
Inconsistent but gets hot is just free dps
slow spade
plasma doesnt need that to hit bps
Lol
pliant sentinel
is the vet vox mask working for everyone
ye
torn needle
You build around non crit breakpoints and crits are icing on the cake for monsters
twin kettle
What to do with this?
slow spade
"Low crit modifiers" on a gun with like 600 base damage yeah its going to be low lol
toxic leaf
exactly
it already 1 shots what you want it to at grey power, 0 blessings
perks let it do body shots or better boss dps
warm girder
What to do with this?
get power cycler
torn needle
What to do with this?
Supercharge to cycler and stamina to whatever for damage
slow spade
Sorry I want body shots to instant kill
slow spade
What to do with this?
Pray for power cycler
toxic leaf
if you want body shots to instant kill gunners, you need flak for it guaranteed
slow spade
I suggest stamina to flak imo
twin kettle
Supercharge to cycler and stamina to whatever for damage
So I run a Slaugther+Power Cyckler?
torn needle
So I run a Slaugther+Power Cyckler?
Yep
toxic leaf
mk3 ps though
slow spade
Yeah you just won't have as much cleave as a brutal momentum
toxic leaf
why use a mk3 over 6
torn needle
why use a mk3 over 6
Could be a melk moment
slow spade
why use a mk3 over 6
Hadron said so UwU
toxic leaf
i guess if he bought it from melk or blue with a good roll...
agile forge
im partial to god roll axes on vet
I wish I could try one :(
sharp ember
what would we do without her
get to have enginseer kx-8 as our friend
slow spade
im partial to god roll axes on vet
One day I'll get a Rashad with good rolls...
toxic leaf
One day I'll get a Rashad with good rolls...
you and me both
agile forge
vet does not have a bad melee weapon
Tac Axe
sharp ember
i’d rather have standard shovel over tac axe
agile forge
And that funky V combo
toxic leaf
i think tac axes can still do good stuff with brutal momentum and that other thing
they're clunky though
slow spade
Yeah it just has a low kill time compared to most other weapons
toxic leaf
the only reason i use ps6 is because right click - left click 3 times clears out 3 screens of enemies
its an idiot proof weapon
agile forge
i think tac axes can still do good stuff with brutal momentum and that other thi...
Maybe old Bromentum
New Bromentum needs more damage
toxic leaf
i havent used them at all, just combat
and now im just a ps6 guy because combos sometimes get too complicated
i just wanna left click and clear screens
slow spade
The only thing I question about ps is why the attacks do the same damage
slow spade
Really odd the light and heavy attacks do the same damage
toxic leaf
do they?
slow spade
Yeah its part of why mk3 isn't as good
toxic leaf
lol shows how much i know about the ps
i never heavy attack haha
just stab and lights
slow spade
Because mk3 needs heavy attacks to do the cleave hit
slow spade
i never heavy attack haha
Yeah basically same, I only do heavy attacks wheb I'm charging at people
toxic leaf
i guess you would never heavy because the stab is what you use against things you would heavy in non aoe situations
toxic leaf
this is why i love the ps6, and why its tough to ogryn sometimes
gotta combo with ogryn melees
slow spade
If you use shield, just heavy attack and throw your mouse
toxic leaf
lol
slow spade
I hate snipers, so shield for me
toxic leaf
i like shield, but it feels clunky to me
manic vortex
which combat axe is better? And are these good enough?
toxic leaf
the mk4 has that quick stab
toxic leaf
which combat axe is better? And are these good enough?
man if only you oculd take the right axe and give it the left's stats
slow spade
i like shield, but it feels clunky to me
Brutal momentum shield 💪💪💪
crude ermine
which combat axe is better? And are these good enough?
Both are great
Equally, but the right seems better
toxic leaf
Brutal momentum shield 💪💪💪
is it a game changer?
the right is better because those are the good blessings you want
slow spade
which combat axe is better? And are these good enough?
Hadron is fucking with you, both are good but if you could flip their stuff. They'd be even better lol
crude ermine
Tho the left you could put on brutal momentum and change infested and it'll work too
slow spade
is it a game changer?
It won't win vs crushers but you basically 1-2 hit entire hordes
toxic leaf
noted, im plasteel poor so im stocking stuff i want to go fishing at hadroin with
slow spade
Ideally your team can cover vs ogryns while you just stunlock them
slow spade
noted, im plasteel poor so im stocking stuff i want to go fishing at hadroin wit...
Don't worry, I'm sure you have plenty of diamantine to cover for you UwU
sharp ember
which combat axe is better? And are these good enough?
you should take the LEFT* one and run Flak+Unarmored and Headtaker+Bromentum on it, the damage stats are so good that you’re gonna 1 headshot dreg and scab bruisers with minimal talent tree investment
sharp ember
left*, i know my left from right i swear
crude ermine
Surely
slow spade
880 plasteel max
toxic leaf
its criminal that curios take so much plasteel to upgrade too
fatshark pls, ill buy mtx if you just fix the crafting mat disparity
manic vortex
you should take the LEFT* one and run Flak+Unarmored and Headtaker+Bromentum on ...
hmm ok thanks guess the stats are worth more than the difference between headtaker III to IV
toxic leaf
c.axe are heavily breakpoint dependent
toxic leaf
you may want to run in the psykanium a bit to see which one does better against the bruisers and trash
languid terrace
Small PP Bolter
slow spade
Small PP Bolter
The .22 cal bolter
crude ermine
But it has a great personality
idle swallow
Anyone got some freak loadouts/builds that are enjoyable and at least kinda viable I need some variety in my life
agile forge
Anyone got some freak loadouts/builds that are enjoyable and at least kinda viab...
Are you ready for this
Power Sword VI...
With a plasma gun
idle swallow
With a plasma gun
idle swallow
Ok I'm vetoing power sword, if your build includes power sword you doin a bog standard meta build
torn needle
Switch to knife and problem solved
toxic leaf
ok so get this, shovel mk7 with...a plasma gun or revolver
torn needle
ok so get this, shovel mk7 with...a plasma gun or revolver
Very daring
crude ermine
HHHRRNNNNG THE KINIFE
toxic leaf
vet melee can be anything but axes unless they are god rolled
now ranged weapons...that can also be anything if you dont care about winning or arent playing auric/maelstrom
crude ermine
MELEE ONLY
agile forge
I know, I am a visionary.
crude ermine
1V1 POWERSWORD BANNED
toxic leaf
veteran is such a weird class. its entire power budget is in ammo aura, which enables plasma gun and revolver to spam, and voc
umbral granite
I use power sword + Kantreal shotgun
Personally, I am not a fan of kantreal shotgun on vet, on account of how it lowers your maximum range for 1-shoting with gunners/snipers... yes, lighting stuff on fire is nice, but the time it takes them to burn to death is time they could be killing your teamates.
If I'm going to go shotgun vet, i preffer the agripina because of the slugs hit about as hard as the revolver, and pack enough impact to break a bulwark's shield and/or stagger a crusher out of their attack.
slow spade
Personally, I am not a fan of kantreal shotgun on vet, on account of how it lowe...
No one uses the kantreal for burning
toxic leaf
i prefer slug shotty >> others
slow spade
They use it for the high damage per shot
torn needle
Triple digits yahoo
umbral granite
veteran is such a weird class. its entire power budget is in ammo aura, which en...
Dont forget frag grenades
toxic leaf
unless you're playing in a group that can already pick off specialists
toxic leaf
Dont forget frag grenades
oh yea, regenning frag grenades too
agile forge
No one uses the kantreal for burning
...I use it for burning
On my knife pervert zealot
toxic leaf
you could bring a naked vet with ammo aura, ammo box grenade fill, and voc into an auric and it would be fine if your group had zealot or ogyrn in it lol
slow spade
...I use it for burning
Lol
light ore
Anyone got some freak loadouts/builds that are enjoyable and at least kinda viab...
this is the "one day survivalist won't be an aura and smoke grenades will do something" laspistol build
toxic leaf
they need to rip teh bandaid off and nerf ammo aura and probably also plasma + stub revolver
agile forge
they need to rip teh bandaid off and nerf ammo aura and probably also plasma + s...
Make the reload even slower
toxic leaf
class would need a complete rework if ammo aura was nuked, so sounds like too much effort
crude ermine
they need to rip teh bandaid off and nerf ammo aura and probably also plasma + s...
Yeah
agile forge
Give revolver ocelot an erection that lasts longer than 4 hours
slow spade
They should nerf recon again
crude ermine
Reminds me of this post I saw on Reddit
toxic leaf
98 people screech when they see a vet with ammo aura join and switch to their gunlugger ogryn loadouts
slow spade
I voted number 5 💪
toxic leaf
DONT NERF PLS
gusty bison
5 guys are idiots or trolls
light ore
baking it into vet's base kit is technically a buff 
toxic leaf
the only aura that even comes close to the ammo one is psyker's cooldown reduction
gusty bison
baking it into vet's base kit is technically a buff <:whatthefuck_heresy:1049724...
Please no
toxic leaf
lol
gusty bison
Id rather not the viability of certain weapons depend on the presence of a certain class
toxic leaf
me when i see ammo aura vet
light ore
my attrition gameplay!!!!
slow spade
They should remove survivalist and make no ammo changes
light ore
noo
gusty bison
Survivalist makes some weapons super awkward to balance
toxic leaf
time to use my pbb stubber loadout
trim hemlock
the only aura that even comes close to the ammo one is psyker's cooldown reducti...
Even that is a bit of a stretch. The aura is OK, don’t get me wrong, but its value fluctuates
(The Cdr one)
toxic leaf
yea for sure
hearty panther
It's hard to put into numbers how ridiculous survivalist is.
gusty bison
Like bolter, volver, kickback
light ore
go the payday 2 route and make certain weapons unable to get ammo pickups for 5 years, then change it to keep up with power creep
gusty bison
Bolter without survivalist is like pulling teeth
Bolter with survivalist is just
Ah yes
Nfinite ammo
hearty panther
If you never miss a shot and your gun does 100 damage and Survivalist lets you shoot it 200% more often ... I mean like fucking come on lol
toxic leaf
plasma without survivalist is actually something you need to tink about spamming into packs
hearty panther
It's absurdly outsized impact.
toxic leaf
plasma with it? blaze awy
gusty bison
Id rather weapon ammo counts be balanced without needing to worry about survivalist
light ore
i don't think "this weapon is overpowered but it's okay cause ammo restraints" is ever going to work for this game
hearty panther
it does tho
gusty bison
I mean
agile forge
plasma without survivalist is actually something you need to tink about spamming...
Never have to think about it though because who among us doesn't take survivalist?
gusty bison
Weapons being high damage but sufficiently limited ammo to only warrant shooting elites/specials is fine
hearty panther
my bolter goes from being saved for only hard or stacked targets and being fine to infinite bottomless gyrorockets for everyone
untold mulch
They should nerf recon again
Fr
agile forge
Heretics, that's who.
untold mulch
Reminds me of this post I saw on Reddit
I stand that thats fair
Unless you account also with a global ammo rebalance if you nerf/delete it
gusty bison
The problem with survivalist is it also ruins guns for other classes
Cos if its balanced around survivalist, then wtf do people do if theres no surv
toxic leaf
The problem with survivalist is it also ruins guns for other classes
you mean for ogryns
gusty bison
you mean for ogryns
And zealots
untold mulch
Survivalist is a patchwork of a major issue with ammo
toxic leaf
zealots less so, imo. they have such good movement and melee
light ore
ammo usage is already hugely variable between classes and playstyles
toxic leaf
ogryns have great melee but no movement other than bull charge
gusty bison
zealots less so, imo. they have such good movement and melee
Ogryn has better melee
Actually vet melee is about as good
light ore
sometimes you're gonna be paired with 3 stave psykers and get to go to town
toxic leaf
yea but zealots move around a lot better
gusty bison
Zealot's main thing is survivability tbh
light ore
i don't think a gun should be "op but ammo hungry" in those situations either
toxic leaf
ogryns have fantastic melee but their ranged options without ammo problems is...kickback?
gusty bison
Even KB has ammo issues
gusty bison
If u dont have vet or psyker in team
toxic leaf
yea the solution is alweys have a staff psyker in the group lmao
gusty bison
Nah
Its always have a surv vet
Surv vet with VoC is the biggest force multiplier atm
light ore
what if we actually just rip off payday 2 ammo scrounging mechanics
they haven't copyrighted those, fair game
you get ammo boxes that drop from shooters
toxic leaf
voc survivalist vet >> dome shield psyker are the only two classes that universally make any auric run easier
untold mulch
what if we actually just rip off payday 2 ammo scrounging mechanics
Me firing full auto in close range vacuuming all ammo while my friend watches in horror
light ore
and each weapon has a unique pickup modifier
toxic leaf
vet could show up with all grey 200 power weapons but if t hey had ammo aura, voc + duty and honor, and ammo box grenade fill, they're usuable in an auric run
in fact, even valuable
untold mulch
Because Darktide players are known for sharing ammo
I like Warframe making drops client side so no one is fighting for the drops
Just everyone pick at their leisure
gusty bison
Ngl that would help
light ore
personally i'd appreciate if the game had more ways to grief teammates
untold mulch
Having it only one for all 4
is where you reach situations of you being red ammo
and the zealot with bolter that magdumper 2 pox, picking the ammo first
gusty bison
Or just go with VT2 ammo dumps
untold mulch
Like I don't have the issue because I ran scav + somewhat efficient weapons
But last week I had an Ogryn on red constnatly
and some moron even when white ammo w
was picking all
gusty bison
Full refills for everyone at specific spors
untold mulch
That too
light ore
like, ammo scarcity was a meaninful part of the VT1 gameplay loop
and hasn't been since VT2
the thing that sucks now isn't that the attrition gameplay has fallen to the wayside
untold mulch
In my opinion heavy ammo scarcity shouldn't be a thing anymore except your running very heavy weapons
light ore
it's that it's tied to the existance of a single aura
fatshark abandoned attrition gameplay years ago
untold mulch
That or triplicate lasgun ammo
gusty bison
Ammo scarcity is a thing that should really only come up if ur exclusively shooting every elite/special/shooter along the way
Imho
untold mulch
Pretty much
gusty bison
And obviously if u shoot hordes
untold mulch
magdump hordes
gusty bison
I count bruisers and shooters as trash tbh
light ore
yeah
gusty bison
And i dont think every mauler/rager should be magdumped
untold mulch
Idk Shooters in masse have nailed me more than once
gusty bison
Idk Shooters in masse have nailed me more than once <:KEKW_ogryn:102207718832290...
Ye but if ur magdumping and 5 shooters fall over
untold mulch
Rager is magdumped because they have the silliest melee string
gusty bison
Well
untold mulch
homie is playing infinite combo in dmc
light ore
And i dont think every mauler/rager should be magdumped
this would require them to actually be funtional melee enemies tho
instead of "only functional if you're a zealot with the crusher"
gusty bison
Eh maulers are a joke
gusty bison
Ragers are annoying but I have not much issue
untold mulch
Ragers are just, weird
gusty bison
Mostly cos u can knock ragers out of combo if u have the right tools
untold mulch
They haven o real combo, they just spam attacks
there is no openoing once they start
light ore
i don't have an issue with ragers, but like, i don't engage them in melee
untold mulch
unless you have tools that hard stun them
gusty bison
Which tbf most melee weapons can
untold mulch
I go with Csword and only rev can stun them
but
more than one?
you die if you Rev
untold mulch
I use it for flavor
light ore
ragers would be fine as is if they only ever spawned in packs of 2 at most
gusty bison
Shovel shreds ragers for instance
untold mulch
Like I guess power sword or dclaw would be better
But Psword is boring, and dclaw... is the same thing as in a 40k game why tf would i use an autogun
light ore
cause at that point you can do the weaponspecial stunlock dodge dance thing
untold mulch
Shovel shreds ragers for instance
I liked shovel
but
their horde clear
is just sad
light ore
but more than 2 ragers is just "do not approach this blender"
untold mulch
the Mk3 one
gusty bison
Eh?
I guess
Its not psword
But its ok enough i feel
Its not prebuff eviscerator or prebuff thammer
untold mulch
Too used with Cswordg that basically with rampage 1 shots horde
light ore
mk3 shovel is the platonic ideal of a weapon
untold mulch
I would try more shovels
untold mulch
but the rng shop just makes me want to aim my lasgun at my face and pull the trigger
gusty bison
Cos shovel swings fast
gusty bison
but the rng shop just makes me want to aim my lasgun at my face and pull the tri...
So u wanna get sunburn?
light ore
heavies on shovel are more for safety than horde demolition
mk 3 at least
they still do fine though
untold mulch
Rn I am just waiting for Hellgun or Recon buff
untold mulch
I need a full auto las to be comfy
gusty bison
Yep
untold mulch
Makes me not use them on top of shit flak damage
because I am hipfiring while getting closer
Ilas sucks at that
gusty bison
Yep
gusty bison
Atm laspis is just better
light ore
are lasguns not specifically good at flak?
light ore
pistol too?
gusty bison
Infantry las is specifically shit at it
gusty bison
pistol too?
No
sharp ember
pistols are good at it, close range
untold mulch
While in lore, autoguns have trouble with flak
and lasguns it only protects reliable with glancing hits
light ore
bizarre
gusty bison
Pistol does good vs flak
light ore
yeah, pistol demolishes flak
sharp ember
the mk10 laspistol can splatter a scab shotgunner's brains with 1 headshot
gusty bison
iLas is actually blergh
untold mulch
Both Recon and Ilas are dumb balanced
untold mulch
Ilas at least has some use
untold mulch
But is like no one in the design team wants to use lasguns that isn't the krieg cosplay
well and pistols
rain flower
remember how you told me to try the IA?
light ore
the only time i tried the ilasgun was switching from pistol on gunker
light ore
what a miserable, miserable experience
untold mulch
Veteran faking out recoil
untold mulch
Is not a kick, is the Veteran going PEW PEW PEW
I can get fullauto autogun on target
gusty bison
Vet be snatching that trigger
rain flower
this dropped for me today. guess the emperor was listening in.
untold mulch
but LAS weapon is like Stormtrooper mode
untold mulch
and Recon has no recoil
and then
they added a wander mechanic
because lmao fuck you
gusty bison
Bleeergh
gusty bison
Yea recon spread increases as u hold down trigger
untold mulch
Yea recon spread increases as u hold down trigger
also when suppresed
If you are being shot by gunners
the spread massively increases rapidly
gusty bison
Blergh
untold mulch
Thats why I bit-- a lot
Because is issues that 5 minutes of playtesting shows
which either they do not do
or they do not fucking care
untold mulch
Another headshot weapon 
Ilas headshot fishing, Recon most fixes are about headshot fishing
Gib me mercy, gib me Hellgun 😔
gusty bison
Tbf its an easy gun to headshot with
untold mulch
True that
gusty bison
Its not iLas
Where u wanna cry sometimes with how much the gun shakes
Tbf i think the issue with bodyshot guns is well
Headshots in this game are easy
untold mulch
The state of lasgun weapons is one of the reasons I just don't play anymore
hearty panther
idk
slow spade
Shotguns are vibing though
gusty bison
Outside of just making it have high spread so it works in short range
hearty panther
im not gonna claim recon is secretly A tier or whatever
gusty bison
Shotguns are either headhunters or DoT guns
hearty panther
But it is not nearly as poor as people seem to make it out to be
slow spade
Shotguns are either headhunters or DoT guns
???
gusty bison
Shotguns have a 2.25x multiplier, with the agri going even higher
slow spade
I aim for body just fine lol
hearty panther
Right now Veteran and Psyker both gain way more from stacking finesse bonuses so weapons with high finesse stats are le meta
slow spade
Fullbore 💪
gusty bison
You get much better results on headshots
crude fiber
But it is not nearly as poor as people seem to make it out to be
The green one is garbage though not argument accepted
gusty bison
Even with fullbore
crude fiber
Not sure, the middle of the pack one
slow spade
You get much better results on headshots
Disagree but such is life
crude fiber
Almost same damage as 6d but slower fire rate
slow spade
Kantreal and law
untold mulch
Recon Mk2 is not even a meme gun
slow spade
Agri is definitely headshot gun
hearty panther
The biggest problem I see with Recons is the user error of people trying to use them like they're long ranged battle rifles. They're not.
gusty bison
Kanny I use as a DoT gun
slow spade
Why?
gusty bison
Law honestly kinda too
gusty bison
Eh they get staggered enough that the time doesnt matter
They are a non threat anyway
slow spade
True
gusty bison
Saves me a lot of ammo
serene sage
The biggest problem I see with Recons is the user error of people trying to use ...
they dont even function that well as close range smgs either
gusty bison
I run scattershot flechette
untold mulch
they dont even function that well as close range smgs either <:KEKW_ogryn:102207...
Bad damage, bad ammo economy, no utility
slow spade
I run scattershot flechette
Scattershot 4 where are you :c
untold mulch
There is no reason to use
slow spade
I got fucknig Flechette before Scattershot 4
gusty bison
And like two flame shots just wreck an entire horde + most of the elites
3 flame shots drops bulwarks
serene sage
kill them or just drop the guard?
gusty bison
Kill
slow spade
kill them or just drop the guard?
Kills
untold mulch
Nice
serene sage
does flame shot go through shield?
gusty bison
Mhm
slow spade
Weirdly enough yes
hearty panther
they dont even function that well as close range smgs either <:KEKW_ogryn:102207...
They do.
untold mulch
They certainly do not
gusty bison
The bulwark gets tagged for the full 🔥
slow spade
Plasma gun and flame shot are on the same level clearly UwU
hearty panther
There's not a lot of dedicated fast + close range + ADS options.
clear narwhal
Opinions on Competetive urge?
slow spade
Opinions on Competetive urge?
Too unreliable
Also the other talents it competes with are too good
hearty panther
Recon stays competitive with the Shredder but the Shredder gets to melt manaics while Recon gets to ADS.
serene sage
There's not a lot of dedicated fast + close range + ADS options.
uhh Bolter?
clear narwhal
Really? it's a chance for EVERY kill
hearty panther
uhh Bolter?
do you know what fast means lmao
gusty bison
There's not a lot of dedicated fast + close range + ADS options.
IAG?
hearty panther
like yea you can X Stance
gusty bison
Laspis?
gusty bison
Volve-
untold mulch
in any sense
serene sage
oh you mean swap speed, idk i took fast as fast fire rate
slow spade
Really? it's a chance for EVERY kill
Yeah against shit like poxwalkers 99% of the time
gusty bison
Ok volver doesnt count
slow spade
You want it when you need it
opaque kayak
Haven't done shotgun yet, so which should I try first?
slow spade
Not "whenever it feels like it"
hearty panther
Yea not rof just accessibility time
gusty bison
Haven't done shotgun yet, so which should I try first?
Precision or AoE
serene sage
honestly you should have been more clear
serene sage
fast could mean swap speed, fire rate, or even TTK
untold mulch
no ammo costs
hearty panther
100 round mag
opaque kayak
Precision or AoE
aoe
serene sage
two of which the bolter does completely fine
clear narwhal
Yeah against shit like poxwalkers 99% of the time
If get 800 coherency kills in a game, it should proc about 320 times
hearty panther
Like seriously the Recons only suck if you're trying to play them like an IAG.
gusty bison
And watch ur fireshots just melt stuff
hearty panther
Otherwise they're fine.
hearty panther
Not competitive but fine.
gusty bison
But its a bolt action rifle.lol
opaque kayak
lol thnx
slow spade
If get 800 coherency kills in a game, it should proc about 320 times
Now you're just theorizing shit that will never happen
gusty bison
Cos u use mostly the special shot
opaque kayak
How is it better than revolver?
gusty bison
And it hits HARD
opaque kayak
Ammo?
gusty bison
How is it better than revolver?
Nothing is better than volver
serene sage
Like seriously the Recons only suck if you're trying to play them like an IAG.
at close range it works against a lot of things yes
but you have more difficulties shooting down ragers (comparatively)
so it's limited close range, too
clear narwhal
Now you're just theorizing shit that will never happen
my math might be off
opaque kayak
Good, I trust your advice then
gusty bison
Ur talking about one of the top 3 most OP weapon in the game
clear narwhal
Not the best at it
untold mulch
at close range it works against a lot of things yes
but you have more difficulti...
Which laspistol does better in any sense
gusty bison
But agri shotty is like a precision gun thats fun to play
hearty panther
Ragers are the one definite sore spot for Recons.
slow spade
my math might be off
It also ignores the fact it will likely never be on when you need it like bosses, specialist waves, or elite waves
tall torrent
If get 800 coherency kills in a game, it should proc about 320 times
If your team gets 3k kills over one mission, on avg it’ll trigger 75 times in that mission
hearty panther
Only okay against flak, notably terrible against maniacs.
slow spade
Because the kill rates will go down to deal with the waves
hearty panther
But we have bottomless grenades and idk ragers only worry me once there's more than three attacking me at once.
clear narwhal
If your team gets 3k kills over one mission, on avg it’ll trigger 75 times in th...
That's aproximately 10 minutes of uptime
in say a thirty minute mission
gusty bison
That's aproximately 10 minutes of uptime
Heres the problem
slow spade
That's aproximately 10 minutes of uptime
Against like 90% poxwalker waves...
slow spade
Again you're ignoring that you won't have it when you need it
gusty bison
Also if ur teammates are killing stuff u arent top fragging >:3
In all seriousness comp edge is... ok
It exists
serene sage
Again you're ignoring that you won't have it when you need it
why you would have it when you need it lol
slow spade
Its competent with Ogryn talent and Rending
serene sage
ogryn is cool 😔
tall torrent
That's aproximately 10 minutes of uptime
Which is about a third of the mission length, but it doesn’t activate on demand and acts more like a good bonus in some situations (you just never know if it’ll come online in those situations)
gusty bison
Ogryn is nice in some situations
slow spade
But the other two arent that great either
Ogryn damage and rending aren't great?
gusty bison
10% rending is very situational i find