veteran-class

[next furnace]

get 3 Gungryns and 1 stealth vet with nade spam and all 3 focus target ez

twinz EZ

[forest scaffold]

you only need one gungryn

other two should be bullrush/taunt

[next furnace]

3 if faster

is

[forest scaffold]

taunt is +25% damage

and bullgryn can run thunderous mk3b club

for 40% rending global

[woven tide]

Me: The one Gunker in every lobby

[forest scaffold]

and bullrush lets you make room

for when fatshark decides to spawn 65 maulers on top of you in the safety circle

[woven tide]

And then behind you

[next furnace]

always kill ranged twin first

[forest scaffold]

no

[next furnace]

the nade mines r aids

[forest scaffold]

wait

I forgor which one throws the nades

[dire olive]

Ranged

[forest scaffold]

but yeah, nade twin gotta die first

that shit gets real old real fast

in regular mode I'd argue that melee twin has to die first

[iron marten]

I remember, I was the on duty to activate all the traps the ranged one threw during the hard mode attempts

[forest scaffold]

because she's really good at punishing randoms who don't know how to block

[dire olive]

Always fun when his plasma gun knocks you into a pile of 30 nades thrown in one spot

[forest scaffold]

but in hard mode, definitely nade boi

just due to the massive amount of elite spam removing mobility through the arena

on top of the stupid nades also zoning you

[iron marten]

and getting like 70% corruption at 0 toughness with a nade is an fbm

[bitter wolf]

However

It is a gun the size of a microwave that turns people it shoots into soup

And the plasma gun is just

The soup gun

I totally did not take Raptor's line

[runic hound]

plasma gun is love

[bitter wolf]

Meh

I don't use it

[runic hound]

blasphemy

what do you use then?

[bitter wolf]

Lasguns

[runic hound]

those suck (they are not plasma guns)

[bitter wolf]

Specifically around the medium tier of the trios

[bitter wolf]

Your opinion is something you are entitled to

[next furnace]

they fuck good

[bitter wolf]

However

Your opinions are still wrong

[runic hound]

but you gotta spam click with them and shit

with a plasma, you click once and you mostly likely solve your problem

[bitter wolf]

At least it has a good fire rate, ammo, and damage output

Checkmate, 1 Roller

[next furnace]

the amount of times iv had other vets blow them self up w/ plasma in pubs :)))))

[bitter wolf]

This is my rifle, this is my gun

This is my plasma

[runic hound]

you have to be a special kind of braindead for that to happen though

[bitter wolf]

I rolled a 1

[next furnace]

i had a guy talk shit about Gets Hot

then blows him self up lmaooo

[runic hound]

its so simple to not have that happen that i would have to purposefully try to blow myself up

[bitter wolf]

You know what else gets hot

Slaaneshi cultists

[next furnace]

i am commisar Hadron btw

[runic hound]

which one is the best in your blasphemous opinion?

[bitter wolf]

Weeeeell

[next furnace]

Helbore Mk2

[bitter wolf]

My go to is the middle Kantrael, as I tend to call it the middle cuz its

Yknow

The middle ground lasgun of that trio

Plus it fits best for my guardsmen recreations

[runic hound]

well, for ogryn MGs for an example, the middle option if byfar the worst cause it has nothing it is good at

is that not the case here?

[bitter wolf]

This one ere being my very own homebrew Vothrosian

[bitter wolf]

Nnnope

I'd say it's the best of the three for the kantraels

Not a too slow fire rate, stable recoil, good enough damage

Adequate ammo

Etc etc

[runic hound]

there are few things that are worse than the experince of using a helbore

[next furnace]

mk2 is a fuck machine

[novel merlin]

helbore is like a charge to fire bolter with a pokey on the end of it

i love it

[next furnace]

the bayonet is god teir aswell

[bitter wolf]

The hellbore isn't bad either

Tbf

None of the lasguns are bad

[runic hound]

true, its terrible

[bitter wolf]

False

The hellbores I use fuck

And they fuck hard

[next furnace]

my columnus is a LMG

[novel merlin]

rebind helbore bayonet to an unlocked scrollwheel and just pokey poke them

[bitter wolf]

Christ the melee I don't use often but when I do

It's funny

Also

[next furnace]

i have it on mouse side button

[bitter wolf]

Me when I use the hellbore (I have a Death Korps loadout): https://youtu.be/ZJt1Hy8z6HQ?si=HxrcXh5PsSnCIp85

[novel merlin]

its good shit in a tight space or doorway

[bitter wolf]

Wtf did I just step in

It felt cold

And wet

Oh

My cat threw up

[novel merlin]

chew it for him and refeed it to him

[bitter wolf]

First off

Go build a bridge and jump off it

[deft crystal]

I love my hellbore

[bitter wolf]

Second

The cat is a she

Third

Gross

[next furnace]

MG12 is cool and all...until a crusher is one you

[bitter wolf]

Tbh

[novel merlin]

i want to cross the bridge of martyrs not jump off it

[bitter wolf]

I recently got back into using Accatran lasguns

Specifically the green one

For aesthetic reasons

BUT

It's mainly for my uh

Loadouts with the scion helmet

[dusky raven]

@umbral garnetwhich shovel do you recommend

[deft crystal]

Btw best in slot for hellbore is Onslaught and surgical right?

[bitter wolf]

Tbh

[deft crystal]

And like everything in the tree to the left except for VoC

[bitter wolf]

Most I ever use for melee now

Is the chainsword

[next furnace]

respite n onslaught

[boreal goblet]

Where did you get that black armor?

[bitter wolf]

Not the new one, I don't get the point of that one

[next furnace]

its a stagger machine

[bitter wolf]

Torment.

Grueling torment

(I did a whole lot of penances)

It's also how I got that helmet

[next furnace]

@deft crystal

[dire olive]

Surgical gets you guaranteed crits though

[bitter wolf]

sees No Respite

RAAAAAGH

NO MERCY, NO RESPITE

[next furnace]

with max stopping power it almost one shot staggers anything

[boreal goblet]

I prefer the inantry las, the really quick one, it chews, through alot of things

I just wish the recon las wasn't such a mess, T.T

[dire olive]

With surgical it almost one shot kills everything

[next furnace]

on top of ur team staggering everything, that 20% more dmg fucks

[stone dome]

NO HONOR, NO BITCHES

[bitter wolf]

WHERE WE'RE GOING, WE DONT NEED BITCHES

FOR WE HAVE BATTLE NUNS

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer40k-the-bosnian-knight-bosnia-knight-gif-27282235

[next furnace]

dont you need to ADS for surgical to take effect?

[deft crystal]

Rate my trench drip

[dire olive]

Are you telling me you're a hipfire main

[next furnace]

i hip fire it alot close range which is super accurate

[boreal goblet]

Its really good but obligatory, I HATE KREIG

[deft crystal]

Purge this heretic

[next furnace]

[boreal goblet]

No, I'm a Steel Legion Guy, Kreig can take a LONG walk out a short Air lock,

I recently read Dead Men Walking and I hated every fucking character in that book except maybe the commisar, Kreig is boring,

[deft crystal]

T.T

Im just a sucker for wwII

[mystic owl]

2?

[fresh grail]

i hope the sequel will be good too 🤤

[deft crystal]

im bringing my krieg into auric damnation. cant wait to miss every shot then die to a crusher c:

[boreal goblet]

Like I wouldn't even have the energy to hate them, because they are so boring "Oh goodness the horrors of war. it dehumanises us all," but the fact that Kreig survived while Elysians got Squated and ASL got discontinued, drives me up the wall something fierce, and hen the stupid crazy fanboys of "SHOVEL TIME" makes me hate the entire damn planet

[fresh grail]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-the-way-this-is-the-way-mandalorian-mandalorian-i-have-spoken-baby-yoda-gif-24159898

[mystic owl]

Bayonette only

[deft crystal]

Krieg fans are like 40k's version of deeprock galactic players

[mystic owl]

what madman actually shoot it

[deft crystal]

We're RICH! = SHOVEL TIME

[woven tide]

At least there are the new shovels that are truly the "The shovel of all time"

[deft crystal]

Omfg

those new shovels

are chefs kiss

[bitter wolf]

ROCK

AND

STOOOONE!

⛏️

[deft crystal]

ROCK AND STONE!

[bitter wolf]

FER KARL!

Funny enough I'm promoting my scout rn...

[deft crystal]

I love my engineer

[bitter wolf]

My fucking tongue is killing me though

Context: I have a kanker sore on a BOTTOM DAMN TIP of it

[deft crystal]

dont know what that is

but any sore on ur tounge

is annoyingly bad

[bitter wolf]

So you know them like

Sores and such you get in your mouth?

[deft crystal]

I think

[bitter wolf]

Look like little craters?

Yeah

Those are kanker sores

Well

Canker sore

Is apparently the correct spelling

[deft crystal]

ohhh I just lookedd em up

[bitter wolf]

Yeh

Those things

[deft crystal]

Yeah nmever had one

[bitter wolf]

you

Lucky

Son of a TOASTER

[deft crystal]

lmao

[bitter wolf]

Be glad you haven't

They are PAIN

ESPECIALLY on the tongue

[deft crystal]

never broken a limb either

[bitter wolf]

Merely drinking from a STRAW hurts

Which I drink from straws cuz otherwise my teeth fucken freeze

[deft crystal]

Must suck with paper straws

[bitter wolf]

Yyyup

That's what I use the most

Tbh though

I'm still happy I can finally accurately recreate my Vothrosian 1st

I could sorta do it prior

But now

Happy happy happy

[torn needle]

Columnus iag my beloved

[deft crystal]

Columnus + knife or + chainswor

I cant decide

[torn needle]

Power sword

Weapon spec

[umbral garnet]

Mk3 Sapper. It's the one I have the most experience with.

[dusky raven]

ty

[final locust]

ngl

i'd still like a roadmap for this game if there isnt one

[untold mulch]

I would too

But honestly I feel like Fatshark office is such a mess, they are absolutely clueless of what they have in ready to ship status

[final locust]

at least they release cosmetics every couple weeks

[untold mulch]

Damn, some real content

[final locust]

yeah bro

I'd like either more actual classes or just more missions with unique objectives

things to do mid mission like escorting explosives or something ya know

[untold mulch]

At this point I expect shit from them

[final locust]

on another note

does this look good?

kinda wish they did a full scion set rather than just the helmet ngl

[untold mulch]

There is the backpack in thecode

or at least some kind of backpack with the scion name

I don't doubt they are gonna add the rest of parts later and either sell a set, or try to sell it in parts

[final locust]

yea

[untold mulch]

My guess right now

Selling each part separate to go full FOMO

• 1400 aquilas each to do another "indirect" raise of prices

[gaunt delta]

Smash "Aquire" or Pass?

[placid portal]

Earn dat blessing

[gaunt delta]

Ya gotta point

And I may as well give it a whirl before I do

Melk offered me this one too:

[dusky raven]

@umbral garnetyoo

what do i do

[umbral garnet]

EXCEPTIONAL roll

[dusky raven]

ikr

[umbral garnet]

Ok, change decimator to skullcrusher

And melee crit chance to maniac

[dusky raven]

w8

[umbral garnet]

Yes?

[dusky raven]

i just closed the game

booting up

[placid portal]

Not sure if maniac is worth it since thrust already covers the BPs iirc

[umbral garnet]

Yeah but who would want to use heavies on Maniac

[placid portal]

Wel Pick mode heavies 1 shot

So ye

[umbral garnet]

I one shot every maniac with a special light except for Mutants and ragers

That's with +20

So you could likely go with flak to deal with Flak ragers easier or unyielding to ruin bosses

[placid portal]

ye

[dusky raven]

i dont have skullcrusher of any kind

yet

[placid portal]

Rip

No worries

[umbral garnet]

Then I implore you

Go GET SOME SOLDIER

[dusky raven]

aye captain

[placid portal]

maybe emperor's gift shovels will have it

[sharp ember]

don’t like decimator? they do roughly the same thing

[umbral garnet]

Skullcrusher sounds cooler

[gusty bison]

Today on reddit: "Autoguns have high recoil"

[umbral garnet]

And it gives +dmg instead of +pwr

[gusty bison]

Power good though

Uncanny also is very good

[sharp ember]

power is damage + cleave + stagger combined

[gusty bison]

I personally go uncanny thrust

[sharp ember]

but yeah i suppose autoguns have high recoil relative to everything else

especially if you move while aiming

but the solution is just control the recoil

or embrace evil and let the recoil hit the ceiling

[muted knot]

What makes a person think: yeah that's a good one I'll upload that

[gusty bison]

Uh

ILas

Bolter

[sharp ember]

now bolter

[gusty bison]

Dude was complaining the headhunter had high recoil btw

[sharp ember]

i just don’t like the jittery recoil recovery animation on it

THE WHAT

[gusty bison]

Yep

[sharp ember]

lasgun fair enough if you’re magdumping

they’re dead accurate if you slightly wait

or autofire the mg4 and hit the recoil ceiling

[eternal sable]

what the hell is that

do you know that every windows pc has something called snipping tool

[near sable]

unlikely

[onyx gorge]

Rending strikes or competitive urge

[untold mulch]

which weapon?

[onyx gorge]

Use shotgun and chainsword

[untold mulch]

In general I think Rending strikes is better, but I think for some stuff like Plasma, competitive better

In that case, I think rending better, because rending helps also with falloff damage

and is 24/7

[bitter turtle]

i dont think competitive is ever the right choice

if not rending then just pick something somewhere else

[near sable]

mk4 las my beloved

[boreal goblet]

Any good shotgun

[wanton dawn]

No idea what you are talking about

Absolutely none

Definitely none

[eternal sable]

classic brainless public darktide discord user spotted @wanton dawn

[slate sleet]

catboy detected

[boreal goblet]

I took a pick and everything I can't upload it lol

[wanton dawn]

aint the brightest tool in the shed aren t ya ?

[eternal sable]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-stairs-are-hard-drunk-tumble-fall-gif-9567264

thats you

[zealous wyvern]

carpeted, cats are acrobats, kittens dont weigh much, it runs afterwards

i dont think any damage was taken here

but still not something i wanted to open discord to

[muted knot]

You really do just play your role huh ?

[wanton dawn]

playing no ammo, already dealing with too much density rn

[hasty yoke]

My problem is, I get too curious about what these things even say... lessee. ```Redeemer's Hand (Caged)
Transcendent
+1X% Toughness

+XX% Damage Resistance (Snipers)
+4%? Combat Ability Regeneration
+XX Ordo Dockets (Mission Rewards)``` Was it worth it, probably not, but-- oh, dude posted a screencap in the comments... but didn't remake the main post, so everyone gets motion blur first. alrighty then.

[dusty sluice]

ik this is really odd but would it work for plasma?

[crude ermine]

It's plasma

It'll work fine

[dusty sluice]

i can hit crusher one shots with it which is nice

and a few dmg off with focus

[woeful ibex]

I assume tier 4 subs stats

[umbral garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-disguting-stinky-gif-27366514

[wanton dawn]

Sssh, don't tell

[umbral garnet]

Oh I ain't telling shit.

I'm just watching with a smile on my face.

[wanton dawn]

Yeah, i know...

[umbral garnet]

What's that mean

You spying on me?

Psying

💀

[wanton dawn]

Nah, it is more akin to "if ppl don't see it idk what I should think"

Am already taken aback by the original message

And as I was saying, I was kinda occupied playing no ammo maelstrom. Now the moment has passed

[umbral garnet]

No ammo?

Can't hear you over my survivalist

Sorry Maelstrom

Woopsy

[wanton dawn]

Welp, the "no ammo" part is not the difficult part

[umbral garnet]

True

[wanton dawn]

It is more like an artificial difficulty enhancer in my book, removed by vet aura

[umbral garnet]

The real bitch is the Monstrous Specialist

[wanton dawn]

I play it with bayonet

[wanton dawn]

Anything for a good laugh

[umbral garnet]

BASED AS FUCK

[wanton dawn]

Not even joking

Though I am not playing that much bayo right now. Am mostly playing exec stance stuff atm

[crude ermine]

Never thought I'd see a knife psyker in my life

Till now

[civic knot]

Might running thrust be worth it for chainaxe with headtaker on it already?

[crude ermine]

Yeah

[civic knot]

i mean... isnt bloodletter better tho in general?

[crude ermine]

Idk, thrust headtaker is always a nice combo, what are the perks? If the perks are sufficable then you can maybe make another switch

[zealous wyvern]

did he shave the front of his hair line?

[umbral garnet]

Lmao maybe

[zealous wyvern]

._.

he looks fine at first

but once i realised that

man

who came up with that

[finite imp]

I wake up

Check and see that I am not banned from vet chat yet

Why keep going

[untold mulch]

[frank ether]

I still dont understand chainswords

[untold mulch]

You cut while you cut

[frank ether]

the rev is so unsatisfying

[untold mulch]

not so hard

[frank ether]

cleave is mid

all diagonals

[thick wolf]

bricked or not

this is a big E reward btw

[frank ether]

it doesnt do single target better than caxe either

[untold mulch]

Feel wise, if you get the full rev, I say it is to me

but missing the last rev is too punishing

[frank ether]

feels incredibly lame

its just rev sound

nothing else

I thought there would be like

hidden skill ceiling or something to them

but no

they are just

as dumb as I thought lmao

u just build some attack speed and spam lights like a brainlet

[untold mulch]

pretty much

[crude ermine]

I got bad news

[thick wolf]

let me guess

karkin brikd

[untold mulch]

pretty much

[thick wolf]

thanks big E

this is the only other revolver I have

well, how can I salvage the other one until I get a better one

[dawn garnet]

damn had to shill out 2400 melk bucks for surgical

[earnest lotus]

We need cowboy hats

[sharp ember]

how do you do, fellow revolver users?

[untold mulch]

That looks, like an abnormal amount of arms

[zealous wyvern]

its three arms

its a mutant kill

damn genestealers

[untold mulch]

They keep stealing our jeans

[ripe totem]

looks genuine

hello fellow revolver user

i too like pistol shooting

it is a shame what happened to xanatros

[umbral granite]

Melk is trying to sell me this... looking at the ammo and the stopping power stats, i think it might be crap, but i am not a hellbore expert.

[frank ether]

crap

low stopping

[umbral garnet]

Yeah no this is bad.

Combine that with the no respite and bad perk

[untold mulch]

Not worth

[thick wolf]

which shotgun currently is the best for vet

[radiant chasm]

Agri for marksman, lawbringer for general shotgun vibes

[thick wolf]

fuck

got a good stat roll from brunt, hadron probably bricked it up hard

[fathom rose]

not too hard

[flint lake]

That’s generally what you want on a shotgun

[thick wolf]

I was already dreading when she gave me poxwalker ranged damage perk

[runic hound]

the plasma gun

[flint lake]

Truth

[runic hound]

is it plasma gun? no -> it is bad
is it plasma gun? yes -> it is good

[rough cobalt]

Does trench fighter drill (+10% melle attack speed) increase heavy attacks windup? or only light attacks

[zealous wyvern]

i would imagine it does but dont know

[hearty panther]

its 10% attack speed so yes

[rough cobalt]

Thanks

[umbral granite]

Slug shotgun, it's special rounds can break a bullwark's shield, and makes the No Respite blessing pretty effective.

For once, Brunt sells me a power sword with somewhat decent base stats

lets see how badly hadron screws it over

ok, maniac perk, so far so good

crap, out of plasteel

[frank ether]

thats good so far though

[lavish dove]

does the plasma gun just not do weakspot dmg against maulers? been testing it in the meatgrinder and i see no orange dmg number and it says "flak armor" when i hit it in the head, isnt the head carapace?

im so confused

[thick wolf]

so what changes do I need to do for this lawbringer I have

[stone folio]

getting +3 stamina curio is a pain huh...

almost all i get are +2

[serene bough]

Does anyone ever use Melk's random item shop?

[dawn garnet]

im praying for u roll a good plasma gun and you can run psyvet

[dawn garnet]

only for curios and it wasnt all that good

i got better stuff rom the normal store

[hollow ibex]

honestly, i find them more common than 17 tough/21 hp curios

[dawn garnet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1202578893559828510/image.png?ex=65cdf7df&is=65bb82df&hm=200a0f3871d4ea1ff8e7e705566d81578393e73d8799df9ceeae241d9726c1d8&

i got this for my zealot amazing

[dawn garnet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1043910914027561000/1199468191164944445/image.png?ex=65cbe14d&is=65b96c4d&hm=b6e07f698e467f1e256a9d0f5ea81190f299c542e0531d8470945846cc90bcd9&

[serene sage]

It does take some time but once I started looking I have like 5 per class haha

[dawn garnet]

i got 7 from camping the store

[serene sage]

Use the Armoury Exchange add-on

[dawn garnet]

ye

[hollow ibex]

yeah i'm set on +3 stam curios

have way too many if anything

[dawn garnet]

all bricked until i got one good one

[stone folio]

the whole week ive only seen +2 stam on my vet and +3 on my zealot

bit annoying

[hollow ibex]

it do be like that sometimes

[hearty panther]

For Curios it's worth it. I spent 50k Melkies and I didn't honestly regret it, even if I ultimately only got two new Curios out of it (but I was going for perfection to start).

Brunt can have as good as Melks and you get to choose what you're buying, but you're only seeing two Curios per hour and that sucks.

[serene bough]

Good to know

[stone folio]

runs 3x toughness curio with +60% curio chance and +30% dockets

i mean...

[hearty panther]

If I suddenly woke up and learned that Wounds are the best Curio but I had zero availabile to me, I'd get them from Melks.

[dawn garnet]

if you already have the blessings you want sure

[hearty panther]

I was creeping towards 100k Melks so

I'm back at 50k

[dawn garnet]

but otherwise is better on sit on ~5k in case anything good pops up

[stone folio]

i mean 90% of the time melk doesnt even have good blessings

[dawn garnet]

yeah i think you're good

[hearty panther]

There's nothing to do with it after a couple hundred hours.

[umbral granite]

I already have a good plasma gun, I'm just taking a break from the thing because overusing it has fried my skill with every other weapon.

[hearty panther]

Let alone a couple thousand -cough-

[dawn garnet]

wow

[umbral granite]

1-shoting a conga-line of crushers is fun, but it does mean you gradually lose your skill with other weapons when it's the only gun you use.

[hearty panther]

Really hope a soft rework is in the pipeline for it

[umbral granite]

same

[hearty panther]

It has a unique mitigating resource that mitigates nothing and may as well be deleted lmao

[hollow ibex]

something actually good from the armory for once

[umbral granite]

If i were in charge of weapon rebalancing (it's probably a good thing that i am not, as I am know to have bad ideas), I would lean more into the plasma-guns overcharge mechanic... lower the damage on uncharged shots a bit but increasing the charge rate and maybe slightly boosting the impact of the charged shots.

[hollow ibex]

that'd prob be a good idea

[jaunty oxide]

how good is the Ghost blessing? worth using?

[umbral granite]

Depends on what weapon it's on and what level we are talking

[jaunty oxide]

Ia lasgun, rank 4

[runic hound]

meh, its not a plasma gun

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/grimace-gif-4412895

[umbral granite]

The kantrael infantry lasguns? yes, anything above level 2 ghost is solid, assuming you can hit your shots.

[jaunty oxide]

okay cool

i'm replacing Falter with it, and falter sounds like ass

[soft blade]

what’s the other blessing

[jaunty oxide]

headhunter 3

[soft blade]

go deadly accurate instead

ghost is kind of meh

or between the eyes

[jaunty oxide]

i was mostly wanting to try it, but i'd rather have more damage

[soft blade]

but you should honestly have determined on an ilas build anyhow

[umbral granite]

This is the infantry lasgun i use with my "Cadian grenade-spammer" loadout.

[soft blade]

yeah falter is bad

go DA and you’ve got a solid Ia

no maniac is kinda rough but it’ll work

[jaunty oxide]

alright, thanks

this is my other Lasgun, but i wanted something with flak

[soft blade]

no respite is also bad

[jaunty oxide]

yeah No Respite feels pretty weak

[umbral granite]

Only reason i don't run deadly accurate is because i've only rolled it up to level 1, and neither melk nor hadron will give me a higher level deadly accurate.

[jaunty oxide]

what should i put on it instead?

is Deadly Accurate that good?

[soft blade]

put deadly accurate on the other one instead of falter

deadly accurate and head hunter is meta on the Ia

[umbral granite]

It basicaly doubles the damage of your crits, and with headhunter, you will land crits pretty often.

[jaunty oxide]

makes sense

thanks! i appreciate the tips

gonna slap DA4 on it

[thick wolf]

does shattering impact do anything for bolter

[native hamlet]

the impacts get shattered 🤔

[frail citrus]

whats your favorite infantry lasgun?

trying to make a build with it, not sure which one i should choose

i know theyre probably all good in their own way but plasteel doesnt grow on trees

[jaunty oxide]

before the skill tree patch, the XII

but now, the Ia, the IV is okay

just for speed

[frail citrus]

whats the difference between Ia and IV

[jaunty oxide]

IV is smaller and speedier

[untold mulch]

Ia shoots harder

IV shoots faster

also has more ammo

[frail citrus]

I'd rather have harder, I'll go with Ia

[untold mulch]

Ia has some nice breakpoints

I only wish Infantry Lasguns were less headshot focused

but thats just me

[umbral garnet]

Ia also has the best DPS out of all the Lasguns

[frail citrus]

just got 5 340s in the a row

looks like i might not be using infatry lasgun for a bit

[untold mulch]

Fatshark really making it fun to try new builds

[finite imp]

Why not put deadly accurate instead of no respite

[umbral garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/hahah-gif-12883308081656468304

[frail citrus]

i love spending all of my ordo dockets to get 10 guns I wouldn't even bring into Heresy! What a good grind!

[finite imp]

Better question why not main knife

[untold mulch]

So fun

[frail citrus]

Time to play another 25 minute match to get 3 more tries at the Brunt's Bingo Machine!

[untold mulch]

then later, gotta survive the Hadron Slot Machine

[finite imp]

This is why my threshold weapon rng idea is superior

[untold mulch]

Engaging gameplay

[frail citrus]

Yup. I'll finally get something 365+ and get the worst imagineable blessings for it

I think I've got a few good ones already stashed away though, might not even have to grind

[finite imp]

When you do get the perfect weapon you'll feel empty. You feel empty until you get it, there's 5 mins of jubilation and then you're empty once more

[umbral garnet]

That or you get the worst spread across each attribute.

55 percent damage, 80 percent stability

☹️

[frail citrus]

Me trying to get Infernus on Recon lasgun

[frail citrus]

https://tenor.com/view/adventure-time-jake-the-dog-it-hurts-hurt-painful-gif-16342245

[finite imp]

There emptiness in that will be when you realize how bad the dps is

[umbral garnet]

It's not worth it, my son.

It feels so

Sad.

[finite imp]

Empty

[frail citrus]

I know, I played 2 matches with it and switch right back to Graia Autogun

[umbral garnet]

Also, I just got into the Bolter

Got Shattering Impact T4 on my first ever consecration of it.

[frail citrus]

I heard bolter is very fun with Shattering Impact

Personally not a fan of ammo eco tho, whenever I play vet I wanna always be chootin'

[umbral garnet]

Fair.

I heard Pinning Fire is a must-have, too.

[frail citrus]

I hear bolter when you get god roll is pretty good

A lot of guns in this game are overall pretty decent with right blessings and build

[umbral garnet]

If you remove the disgusting outliers, yes.

[wooden lotus]

it is, the game demands good fundamentals more than anything but the tools you use make that a lot more lenient

[umbral garnet]

Columnus 5 and Plasma, looking at you.

[wooden lotus]

bolter's still tedious to play with even if it's good

columnus with just dum-dum, and plasma with just... anything lmao

not even a fucking contest

[umbral garnet]

"Oh, look, a conga line of Ragers! Go plasma, go!"

[frail citrus]

Average plasma gun gameplay experience

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-patrick-star-sleeping-bed-gif-7518157

[terse idol]

😌

[frail citrus]

sold my entire inventory for more gold (including other characters weapons I am not using), this was the haul

kms kms kms kms

[stiff glacier]

autopistol shovel stealth is funny build

[umbral garnet]

Pair it with Pcycler 4 Power Sword and you have a point and click adventure.

[terse idol]

Stop playing the slot machine and play the gaaame

[frail citrus]

Power Sword is lowk still my favorite weapon to use in the game

Melee weapon at least

[terse idol]

Okay TO BE FAIR you gotta kiinda know like, how to kill crushers which is a two smack combo

[frail citrus]

As OP as it is with power cycler

[umbral garnet]

It's fun as fuck to mow through an entire horde filled with bruisers and shit like butter

[terse idol]

I just got pc4 I just need BM... I think

[frail citrus]

got really lucky with my last bit of gold 🙏

just gotta change perks and I think it'll be meh

[tiny summit]

I can't believe I heard people went into doomsday posting when the pswords got nerfed

[hollow ibex]

infernus not great 🤔

[umbral garnet]

As if

The Psword will forever be GOATed

[frail citrus]

true but headhunter

i have T4 deadly accurate

swap out

but i am broke rn

1k ordo

need to play more...

it'll hold me over

[hollow ibex]

the infernus damage is crap even on much faster firing guns

i wouldn't take infernus on any lasgun

[terse idol]

When the psword got nerfed from having infinite cleave to being reasonable

[frail citrus]

infernus does a good job on recon lasgun and boosting its DPS on high HP enemies

but

it doesnt help enough

infernus isnt bad, just crutch blessing for DPS

[terse idol]

Infernus on an infantry lasgun is pretttyy bad yeah

Because its like

The dot isn't doing much

[frail citrus]

Well on infantry lasgun yeah

i didnt choose this blessing

it was random roll

i will switch it but i am broke

[terse idol]

No yeahh

[frail citrus]

Obv gonna switch it out for Deadly Accurate T4, but the perks aint bad either

[wary galleon]

just had a game with 2 vets using VoC (no revive talent)
they both got downed and died CONSTANTLY. i had to save them a good bunch of times.

so much for that saying VoC revive talent is a noob trap lol.

[frail citrus]

Maniac dmg is good, just need to figure out what other perk would be good

prolly unyielding im guessing

that or carapace

[tiny summit]

DoTs on a single target weapons are...weird. infernus doesn't tick faster enough or for enough dmg to feel meaningful for most of the cast in a horde shooter. It's mostly only becomes relevant if an enemy runs out of LOS or when your mag runs out when shooting at an enemy

[terse idol]

Flak

I wouldn't try to build the lasgun for carapace, it's like

[frail citrus]

why flak over unyielding?

just curious

[umbral scaffold]

getting there gamer

[hollow ibex]

Flak is much more common

[terse idol]

You gotta take a few perks, to achieve like a 6 or 7 shot on crusher

Oh no yeah

Because scab gunners are an important break point to hit

You want to be able to one shot em

[frail citrus]

oh yeah i forgot they’re flak

okay i will buy flak

[hollow ibex]

You're not going to hit breakpoints on unyielding enemies anyway

[tiny summit]

Flak is a lot more common than ogryns and monstrosities

[terse idol]

And uh, you don't really want to shoot monsters with your lasgun, at least a BON

[languid terrace]

Unyielding is mostly for boss, flak is against all scab and some others.

[terse idol]

Flak's also good for shooting maulers in the body

[frail citrus]

they’re flak on body?

[terse idol]

Yeah

Carapace head flak body

[languid terrace]

As a vet, your main target should be both type of gunner. So flak is a must.

[frail citrus]

Yeha gunners are crazy deadly if you get overwhelmed with them

[languid terrace]

And you are the only one who can get suppress immunity.

[frail citrus]

on my other vet i’ve been using helbore, very fun

kind of snooze fest but

gives me sniper vibes

closest thing we’ll get

[crude ermine]

If our vet was running shout instead of exe stance we probably could've won it

First time I'll ever say that

[frail citrus]

i hate stance personally

[crude ermine]

No hate to him or anything he did his best

The AI director decided to screw us over with a silent burster and a trapper

[languid terrace]

I used to be plasma main, but I've been using it since launch. So nowadays I switch to Agripinaa and powersword. Poor long range accuracy, but it can shoot anything which include mowing down hordes. And powersword can kill crusher or other big guy if I want to save ammo.

[hollow ibex]

agri braced is the shit

[frail citrus]

^^

personally Graia braced is my favorite

but agri is nuts

[languid terrace]

Shooting through multiple enemies is super useful, you'll miss it if you switch to other autogun.

[crude ermine]

Besides the columnus but that's the columnus so that wouldn't really count

[inland orchid]

main is main, gun is gun

if u enjoy it, fuck around and find out with it

[languid terrace]

Well I think that helbore mk3 looks cool, so i try crafting one and bring it into damnation quickplay. My team did not enjoy that match.

[orchid atlas]

yo guy wich lasgun is better?

[terse idol]

Which one's

[orchid atlas]

i mean the best lastgun*

[terse idol]

I mean they're all pretty close, the Ia is uh, pretty good if your whole bet is to do long-range shooting

The Ia is a better mxii, the MXII technically has more damage "By 30-40"
and has a slower fire rate

Which is okayy, but the IA is just betterrr

[frail citrus]

yeah high key if you build right any gun can be good

[orchid atlas]

well to be honest i find the MXII quite boring to play

[frail citrus]

i mean that you can perform well if you build it right, not that its good sorry

[terse idol]

I mean the Ia plays similar but it has a faster fire rate

[frail citrus]

Ia is fun

I just used it in a mission

Forgot why I ahted it though

[wary galleon]

Yess become braced pilled

[frail citrus]

that sight is so bad

[orchid atlas]

so they are all pretty much good ?

[terse idol]

Kinda yeah

[wary galleon]

which ever suits your playstyle best

[terse idol]

I think the MXII is the worse imo

Because it's powercrept

the IA is the MXII but better

[languid terrace]

Mk12 used to be good. Now it is shit since you need to hit headshot but its blowback makes it almost impossible to hit headshot continuously.

[terse idol]

Uh

Disagreee

The slow fire rate the MXII has makes follow up headshots easyu

[wary galleon]

and it can kill elites pretty easy

[terse idol]

The Ia is strictly better because of the higher fire rate, but the kick on the gun can make it hard to lead shots

[languid terrace]

Slow firerate gets me killed in damnation.

[wary galleon]

it all depends on the playstyle

no gun is inherintly bad per se

except recon

that gun just sucks

[frail citrus]

I have no problems with MK3 Helbore in Auric Damn

[frail citrus]

so sad because its so cool

Want it to be good so bad

[wary galleon]

its just the ammo! 1 simple adjustment and its good!

[frail citrus]

^^^

[wary galleon]

but its SO BAD

😭

[frail citrus]

i am always out of ammo

[wary galleon]

tru!

[frail citrus]

you only have fun if you're playing with nongun psyker

[wary galleon]

i never use it anymore

[frail citrus]

because you take all the ammo on the map

[orchid atlas]

oh that's the gun that i had the most fun on😭

[languid terrace]

I always use quickplay and I always ended up with a team that ignore shooter/gunner, so slow firerate means death for me.

[frail citrus]

i used it pre-class rework, thought it was fun then

But the slower fire rate one

Not the torrent

[wary galleon]

yea same

[frail citrus]

but those were also my first like

20 hours tho

40 hours

[orchid atlas]

well i'll try LA

[frail citrus]

so everything was fun then

[wary galleon]

i agree :( im happy with the braced guns though. gives me the same hail of lead feeling

[frail citrus]

^

dakka

https://tenor.com/view/more-dakka-warhammer40k-ork-orks-dakka-gif-15898836

[wary galleon]

graia braced ammo capacity is a pocket dimension fr

[orchid atlas]

mhh ok i'll try it thx

[frail citrus]

Graia brace is honestly my favroite autogun in the game

[languid terrace]

I want to use it as a proxy for hotshot lasgun for my scion skin, but the slow charge rate drives me nuts.

[frail citrus]

has decent range for whats basically an SMG

[wary galleon]

all the braced are good honestly, i usually use graia or culumnus because i just like to shoot.

agripinna is very good too but less ammo but more dmg

[lavish dove]

hallo sorry for asking again but i cant find info on this anywhere and didn't get an answer, palsma gun charged shot i heard should pierce crushers but i tested it in meat grinder and it doesnt, any idea why? do i need carapce dmg on it?

[wary galleon]

and on damn with salvage perk and 25% extra ammo. You basically never run out of ammo

[orchid atlas]

ok thx for the advice and information👍

[wary galleon]

dont even need to hog ammo

[frail citrus]

^

[wary galleon]

the pool is so large that the return you get is high enough to sustain you longer

[languid terrace]

You mean that you want to hit something behind crusher?

[frail citrus]

Graia is very good for ammo econ surprisingly

[wise fossil]

huh

[frail citrus]

for how much you use it

[lavish dove]

yeah

[frail citrus]

dont think it does pierce but i could be wrong 🤷‍♂️

[orchid atlas]

wait there is multiple colomnus and agripanna wich one should be bought ?

[frail citrus]

braced imo

[wary galleon]

Oh yea! i legit shoot like im doing supressing fire everywhere and bullets are free and infinite. but im still using LESS AMMO THEN MY TEAMMATES

[lavish dove]

ah ok

[frail citrus]

i use it like an LMG lol

actual dakka build

[lavish dove]

i mean the testing from meatgrinder supports that, just thought i might be missing something

[wary galleon]

hahaha yea! and i made mine look like it too if if you saw my pic xD DAKKA DAKKA

[frail citrus]

weapon customization mod is osmehting i gotta get

[orchid atlas]

ok thx

[wary galleon]

its so good!

[languid terrace]

I think that plasma pierce bulwark shield, but not crusher. Easier to just kill crusher then kill whatever is behind it.

[wary galleon]

weapon costumization be either the coolest weapon, or the ugliest abomination ever made.

[lavish dove]

i see ty, makes sense 🙂

[rare tartan]

charged plasma goes through walls

[dusky raven]

what is this mod called?

[languid terrace]

Through thin wall, not those thick wall or column though.

[dusky raven]

cant find it on nexus

[rare tartan]

it will go even through thick wall

[dusky raven]

also that is disgusting

[wary galleon]

Weapon costumization. you can find it on the discord server "darktide modders"

[dusky raven]

alright

ty

[wary galleon]

the second one is an autopistol

[dusky raven]

😭

[shadow aurora]

I like them both second one has a charm to it

[shadow aurora]

Oh nvm

[wary galleon]

xD

notice that it has no trigger

and 2 stocks

[rare tartan]

emprah will pull the trigger

[wary galleon]

IF I FINK 'ARD ENUFF DA GUN JUST START SHOOTIN

[hollow ibex]

congratulations, this image is the reason why fatshart won't give us weapon customization

[wary galleon]

worth giving hadron a anurysm ngl

[languid terrace]

The only gun that pierce everything like tau's heavy rail gun is the bugged version of Kantrael Mk9 Combat Shotgun.

[wary galleon]

you can do that with agripi too

[languid terrace]

Does this blessings combo work on lawbringer too?

[wary galleon]

accatran LONG long LooooOOOOOooonng reconlas

[wary galleon]

dont see why not. havent tested it.

https://tenor.com/view/long-man-sakeru-gummy-shocked-gif-17662687

[lavish dove]

also there is no reason to aim for crusher /mauler heads with plasma gun right?

in the meat grinder i dont get any weakspot dmg from their heads

same white dmg numbers appear when i body shoot them versus heads

[languid terrace]

Want to craft one in case fatshark decide to drop arbites skin.

[orchid atlas]

wait a minute guy how do we gets these braced gun?

[shadow aurora]

Wdym?

[wary galleon]

arbites subclass gives me hard Judge dredd vibes

[languid terrace]

You should always do headshot if you can. Slightly higher damage, but it is higher.

[orchid atlas]

well i don't find them in the shop, or maybe im blind asf

[wary galleon]

Armoury exchange? then brunts armoury

[shadow aurora]

The braced auto guns are in shop for vet and zealot

[languid terrace]

Also, higher stagger on headshot if I am not mistaken.

[lavish dove]

ah okay, wasnt sure, it'sl ike less than 100 dam difference but i guess it all adds up

[wary galleon]

if they aint in the rotation shop, then you can just craft a stock in brunts armoury

[orchid atlas]

maybe the skin changing depending of the rarity of the gun?

[wary galleon]

nah

[orchid atlas]

bcause the appereance of mine is not the same as yours

[wary galleon]

ah its properly because im using a costumization mod

makes the gun look totally different

only i can see that though, cept screenshots i post here

[orchid atlas]

ah ok 👍

[terse idol]

gonna say it, but the MXII is bad now 🥹
Strictly no reason to use it over the IA

It kiiinnda needs a buff

[wary galleon]

how so?

[terse idol]

It only has 30 damage over the Ia

With a worse fire rate

The decreased firerate is notable enough that it actually decreases your DPS

I think.. I didn't do testing but after having used both for a while

I actually feel worse using the mxii

[languid terrace]

After Scion subclass of course.

[terse idol]

Like okay to be fair with your statement you're right Omar, (except the recon)
But different variants of weapons at least in this specific lasgun example are doing worse than other variants

[languid terrace]

Some of these scion color scheme looks amazing. A must buy for me for sure.

[wary galleon]

hmm you got a point there, i see the low damage difference, but 1,64 rpm difference, which is alot more impactful

[frail citrus]

we got scammed with scion drip

[wary galleon]

hotshot/lmg/heavy stubber DAKKA DAKKA subclass

[languid terrace]

Well, that omni-shield helmet looks sick though. Maybe it will be like collecting Exodia. 1 piece at a time.

[wary galleon]

an arbites subclass would be so damn dope

I AM JUDGE DREDD

JURY JUDGE AND EXECUTIONER

https://tenor.com/view/law-police-judge-cop-dredd-gif-8606130

[empty willow]

[languid terrace]

Volley gun dakka for Scion plz. Don't just let those 6th a-hole spam las volleys on us.

[terse idol]

Just give us hotshots

[wary galleon]

https://tenor.com/view/shootme-strike-out-laser-laser-gun-hit-gif-13857983

[languid terrace]

You think only commissar have cool coat? How about cool coat + scion armor.

Also, bolt pistol when?

[junior needle]

It objectively is, at least 200+ less dps off the top of my head

[empty willow]

let's create a petition?

[junior needle]

Fatshark doesn't really listen to the community

You need massive negative backlash to make them pay attention and barely

[merry gale]

they read the forums

[empty willow]

That's sad

[merry gale]

that's the only place where you'll have someone at fs potentially reading your input

[junior needle]

I'm sure they have someone monitoring the subreddit too

There's also CM's in this server

[merry gale]

yeah but it's not the same

[wary galleon]

subreddit is pure brainrot

[merry gale]

they directly read the forums

[junior needle]

I can say with certainty the subreddit is taken into account because I've met actual shills there

[tall torrent]

I’ve had all my reports be acknowledged so at least they’re keeping track of that

[wary galleon]

i hate modern enternet so fucking much

[junior needle]

"The game is just as perfect now as when it launched and I never had crashing, disconnects, or performance issues which means anyone that did is making it up or overblowing it"

[hearty panther]

cringe

[wary galleon]

i want to vomit but i have no mouth

[empty willow]

Game is good rn but not perfect

[zealous wyvern]

that is kind of sexy

yes

i want this

but why are you wearing a green armour with brown gun

[night locust]

bros gun so long it has 101% chance accuracy because the barrel goes through the enemy.

[wary galleon]

i thought you replied to my latest comment and i was about to be super disturbed lmao

[zealous wyvern]

HA

nice

that is some slaanesh thing

[wary galleon]

no green skin for gun (its made from grinded down baby clones of the emperor so its very rare)

[stiff glacier]

god damn i want trinket trait for immunity to barrel knockback

[frail citrus]

Hopefuly, full set would be nuts

[slender turtle]

then the fun would be ruined

Barrels 'o fun

[stiff glacier]

i absolutely hate mechanics that can harm teammates

[sleek garden]

sometimes I willingly use barrels to air surf out of harms way

It's funny

[umbral garnet]

Just played the most boring match of my fucking life.

Two plasma vets

[languid terrace]

Why, did they explode until permadeath?

[serene sage]

more like they kill evetything in sight

[umbral garnet]

No, it was a walking simulator with them melting everything in front of us lmfao

[serene sage]

so it's a walking sim for you

[umbral garnet]

A Crusher patrol? Two kraks and a volley of plasma rounds.

Incinerated.

[languid terrace]

It won't be walking sim if it is a high intensity mission. Too many shooters and gunner for plasma.

[umbral garnet]

It was mostly shotgunners.

And they group up.

And you know what happens to a group with a plasma.

[serene sage]

HISTG can still be a walking sim if the vets are good enough

plasma is just that strong

[umbral garnet]

True.

Gunner taking cover? No, lmao, take this cleave bitch

[terse idol]

I love mechanics to harm teammates

[umbral garnet]

Friendly Fire

[terse idol]

[stiff glacier]

guess we should get ff

[tall torrent]

Friendly fire in darktide would essentially be Ogryn players complaining why they’re always at low health

[stiff glacier]

i want ogryn nuke instakill whole team

[umbral garnet]

Lmfao true

[umbral garnet]

Zealot flame grenade

[terse idol]

Actually I don't think FF should exist lol

[umbral garnet]

💀

[terse idol]

But barrels are funny

Not in darktide for sure

[tall torrent]

Friendly fire in DRG is funny
Friendly fire in DT would make the game way less fun for basically everybody

[terse idol]

God I wonder how bad player retention would be if FF did exist

At launch

[umbral garnet]

It'd be ATROCIOUS, lmao

[tall torrent]

The classic 2 nade “fuck everything” strat for veteran

Would kill u instead

[umbral garnet]

Quick question

[bitter turtle]

The shredder nerf we needed

[umbral garnet]

I know both stats are very important, but if you used the new Revolver, which would you prioritise

Critical Bonus or Pen

[bitter turtle]

Krak can now magnetize to teammate

Instant down

[tall torrent]

Prob crit bonus?

[bitter turtle]

Are you on pc

[umbral garnet]

Because I got three fucking 370+ revolvers but NONE of them had good Crit + Pen

[bitter turtle]

You can download the load out mod to check

[umbral garnet]

Pc yes

[bitter turtle]

I'd do it for you but I'm in bed and just woke up

Let's you make custom weapons to test in meatgrinder

So you can see what 80 crit or 80 pen does exactly for your damage

[umbral garnet]

Huh, neat.

I'll look into it.

[tall torrent]

afaik Mk14 revolver has pretty bad 1 tap breakpoints

usually u need 2 shots to kill a priority target

so if high pen doesn't change that

crit bonus would prob aid more

[umbral garnet]

Becuase it's either 62 pen and 79 Crit

Or 75 pen and 65 crit

[tall torrent]

but also

mk14 revolver is just goofy lol

[umbral garnet]

Well yeah

Wanna be a COYBOY

COW

FUCK

[serene sage]

....

i dreamt yesterday

I was playing Ogryn

it was a nightmare

because I... liked the class

i woke up in cold sweat

thanks for reading

[toxic leaf]

ogryn is fun to play, i jsut leveled one to 30

it just has a distinct lack of weapons lol

especially in melee, vet has like 13 options for melee, ogryn has club, knife, shovel

[indigo siren]

What’s a recommended skill tree I should use?

[shadow aurora]

What do you mean by that?

[hollow ibex]

wouldn't wish that nightmare on my worst enemy

[indigo siren]

Y’know the skill tree, which ones are recommended because I know there are some good traits and bad ones if I’m correct

[shadow aurora]

Are you asking for a build or general advice?

[bitter turtle]

since im just that nice

i went and tested

the pen one basically consistently does more damage

even on a crit

EXCEPT for maniacs, but the difference is so small

i'd just go with pen

the only other factor is how much crit chance the 79 crit one adds

i cant access the inspect menu

so i dont know

the damage difference between the two

[umbral garnet]

Well, the build I'm going for is heavily crit focused

[bitter turtle]

doesnt actually change any meaningful bps

for what its worth

[umbral garnet]

Crucian Roulette and rending

[indigo siren]

A build

[umbral garnet]

Thank you for your efforts!

They have informed my decision.

[bitter turtle]

yeah, so if the 79 crit one gets significantly more crit

maybe just go with that

we're talking sub 100 damage difference on hits that dont really matter for bp anyway

still takes the same number of shots so you're better off guaranteeing the crit MAYBE if the crit chance is significantly higher

[umbral garnet]

Byeah.

[junior needle]

Highly depends on what grenades/ult/weapon choice/keystone you want to use (you don't need to use a keystone on vet)

[shadow aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/byeah-jerma-jerma985-meeting-of-the-byeahs-gta-march-gif-14221033

[bitter turtle]

wait

one sec

before you upgrade anything

let me test one last thing

[umbral garnet]

I'd be stacking deadshot and Crucian roulettes

So that's an instant 45 percent plus the 6x5

[toxic leaf]

a vet can immensely useful in aurics simply bringing voice of command - duty and honor and the ammo aura. they could be naked otherwise and still be valuable if they're in party with other vets or ogryns

voice of command - duty and honor is like the best active ability in the game

[shadow aurora]

Okay i can get one for you in a bit im not at home atm. If you dont want to wait im sure someone else here will be willing to send you one

[bitter turtle]

nvm it changes nothing

i was gonna check

different perk combos

if it matters

[umbral garnet]

I see.

[bitter turtle]

yeah