just had some zealot join my lobby get annoyed at my vet teammate for using a plasma gun and left
#veteran-class
hybrid token
ancient greeks be like
tiny summit
It's not gay if you top
soft blade
tf goin on in vet chat
tiny summit
fathom grail
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1203445824475107348/S...
Also furries
crude ermine
Barrel
tiny summit
just had some zealot join my lobby get annoyed at my vet teammate for using a pl...
Some dipshit that thinks he's too good to be around plasma because of how easy it is
hearty panther
its pretty fuckin boring
rigid nimbus
Wait until they find out you can use whatever you want and be successful if you're good enough
hearty panther
plasma gun went from redheaded stepchild to shredder autopistol in a single patch
if your next words are heat management
rigid nimbus
I do think it's fun but only because it's a plasma gun. Just feels powerful to use.
wise fossil
oh yeah, high quality 2007 graphics
rigid nimbus
...uh no bud
tiny summit
plasma gun went from redheaded stepchild to shredder autopistol in a single patc...
While the shredder is now "what?"
rigid nimbus
Heat management is pretty easy
hearty panther
oh yeah, high quality 2007 graphics
damn quake iv lookin tight
crude ermine
oh yeah, high quality 2007 graphics
Wait till you see a guy named Arco's graphics
rigid nimbus
Damn is that a timesplitters 2 screenshot
wise fossil
I've seen the bulwarks that look like they're carrying a car roof for a shield
tiny summit
Some on reddit really do think the toughness tickling vent dmg is balancing
rigid nimbus
Lol no, you regen it right back.
tiny summit
oh yeah, high quality 2007 graphics
You can further
hearty panther
i am of the opinion that left click needs a nerf, right click needs a serious buff, and the hp vent damage should come back
soft blade
Some on reddit really do think the toughness tickling vent dmg is balancing
still the funniest thing to me
hearty panther
and get rid of the auto venting when you left click at too high heat
fuck you, die
wise fossil
You can further
I'm hitting 100 fps pretty often. I don't have that bad of a potato
tiny summit
Or if they want to have toughness venting...make it enormous that hp dmg is actually possible
rigid nimbus
Oof hp vent damage is probably overboard, just nerf it's shot per volley and handling speed.
hearty panther
nah
wise fossil
I built the thing in early 2017 is all. It's been a while
hearty panther
the point is you will probably never vent unless its super critical
sonic marlin
first game with Bolter concluded, I ain't using this shit
hearty panther
meaning, gasp, actual heat management
soft blade
heat management should actually be something you have to consider
rigid nimbus
Lol another bolter hater
sonic marlin
Lol another bolter hater
accuracy is too bad
rigid nimbus
accuracy is too bad
Your accuracy is too bad*
wise fossil
accuracy is too bad
were you running Deadshot and/or ex stance?
hearty panther
gotta drop the VoC crutch
crude ermine
I can make this damned thing work
tiny summit
It's a combination of the ammo econ, survivalist, lmb dmg and penetration vs rmb, and venting. Gun that answers all problems in the games with almost no downsides on a difficulty scaling that adds more enemies that give ammo back
crude ermine
It's plasma after all
elder fiber
Plasma gun should be lore accurate and just explode randomly b/c its imperium crafted garbage
hearty panther
thats why i think going over 37% heat should be an impactful decision
soft blade
I can make this damned thing work
i mean probably given it’s plasma but holy brick
hearty panther
youre choosing health or downtime to fire more shots off immediately
instead of venting under 37% for no damage
rigid nimbus
Hmm okay
spice wadi
I can make this damned thing work
R u poor
hearty panther
and then make the charge shot fucking incredible
4x the damage of left click but 30% heat a shot with carapace piercing
sonic marlin
were you running Deadshot and/or ex stance?
no lol
rigid nimbus
I mean with the right perks charge shot is already incredible though
tiny summit
thats why i think going over 37% heat should be an impactful decision
Yea as it stands, idk why they made lmb unable to blow up. Why wouldn't I just have gets hot, get to 100% and let the game auto vent?
hearty panther
charge shot is ammo inefficient in the vast majority of use cases
thats why its gotta be 4x instead of 3
rigid nimbus
I feel like the plasma gun should be ammo inefficient
tiny summit
Yea. Charge just lacks an actual use when lmb penetrates just as much
hearty panther
put value in it other than '100 mega cleave'
crude ermine
This was one I used a long while ago
I think last time I touched this was November
Or October entirely
Let me try something
white minnow
prob just keep the RMB as is since it's just that it's worse than the LMB isn't it
sonic marlin
feels like its just better to use plasma than bolter in every way
tiny summit
Rmb could probably stay as it is, and just nerf lmb
white minnow
keep the RMB as the railgun and throw in some more heat/ammo/whatever is necessary to balance it
hearty panther
depending how you spread the power back out you dont necessarily have to touch lmb
sonic marlin
ok im moving on to next weapon, idk if shotgun or revolver
tiny summit
Be interesting if they made lmb having increasingly ramping heat as you use it in a short amount of time.
tiny summit
I want the bleed blessing on my shotgun so I can have fire/bleed
white minnow
hmm so something that encourages you to intermittently use it
instead of spamming it
i guess they sort of have something like that because of how plasma passively vents faster at low heat but that's more of a deliberate thing i suppose
tiny summit
Like I think plasmas dmg and power is fine. It should feel good and powerful but damn everything else around it is a bit of a no brainer
white minnow
yeah i think it's pretty cool to keep the railgun aspect
balancing the ammo/heat would be the way i'd go about it
keen sedge
The fire shotgun feels so weak
white minnow
the kant is p good
infinite cleave special
primary is respectable and cleans up specials as needed
tiny summit
Did I have this one
Drunk Luna Plasma gaming arc
elder fiber
Make plasma inevitably overheat sooner or later but you can toss it at your enemies before it explodes
white minnow
Make plasma inevitably overheat sooner or later but you can toss it at your enem...
(and allow it to make you achieve MESC easily)
elder fiber
Yes
white minnow
we are cooking
elder fiber
Cooking with plasma
sonic marlin
whats the best shotgun
hybrid token
total war shogun 1 definately
wise fossil
okay, gonna give this a shot
white minnow
i vote kant shotty just because of its special
but i also haven't really used the other shotguns to have a defined opinion on this
light ore
agrippina because it goes kuTHUNK
lucid hinge
Kant has prob the most useful general special out of the shotguns imo
light ore
funny manstoppers down hallways
lucid hinge
I don't, I don't know what to change specialist to
on what, plasma?
lucid hinge
yeah keep unarmored and just switch spec to like flak or unyeilding
keen sedge
Is determined good or no? Like Idk what suppression really does
crude ermine
Alrighty ro
spice wadi
but i also haven't really used the other shotguns to have a defined opinion on t...
U can say me no know
crude ermine
Then I can just keep the extra slot for the sake of it
white minnow
U can say me no know
u can jump into an oven with the temperature set to 400 fahrenheit
old quail
wtf
spice wadi
Wow
spice wadi
His facist arc has begun
lucid hinge
you could change gloryhunter (I think that's what is on the gun) to like gets hot iirc
idk I can barely read french
white minnow
Is determined good or no? Like Idk what suppression really does
suppression is when your gun is swaying around while ADSing
important on some weapons and irrelevant on some
spice wadi
Also drunk
keen sedge
suppression is when your gun is swaying around while ADSing
Like when being shot at or just when looking around
white minnow
when being shot at
crude ermine
Yo what's up
sonic marlin
whats the best shogun overall
crude ermine
Imo
keen sedge
In my opinion, shotgunz arent great but at least they arent recon lasguns
crude ermine
Agri
But kantreal is also good
Agri helps out a lot more for vet especially with the special, whereas kantreal is also good with it not feeling as special for vet even though the fire pellets are very useful
sonic marlin
all shotguns have pellets? No slugs?
lucid hinge
shotguns are actually pretty good (Unlike recons)
crude ermine
Agri's special can be considered a slug
Because it can do the exact amount of damage regardless of fall off
sonic marlin
feels weak
crude ermine
What about it erks you wrong?
rare tartan
seems nobody uses shotguns
i do
keen sedge
Because shotguns are pretty weak when compared to every other gun that isnt a recon
sonic marlin
so far i dislike boltor after 1 mission, plasma feels kinda braindead so i'm trying other boomstick type stuff
crude ermine
I have a build that works well with the agri shotgun
I think there is one issue with the special for agri
Where the bullet comes out can be tricky because you have to aim a lil higher than you should
agile forge
well whats the best one of all of them
Depends what you use it for
I only use shotguns on my Zealot ATM (and my Ogryn, but they're a special case)
crude ermine
Another issue being the hitbox
sonic marlin
pretty much want it to kill elites fast
crude ermine
On the special can feel weird
agile forge
(Their shotguns are basically siege weapons)
wise fossil
lol Helbore
this is easily the worst gun I've tried in the game
and I tried Recon one time
gaunt hinge
Sure
light ore
pretty much want it to kill elites fast
you want no respite for that
also, shotgun spread changes depending on if you're adsing or not
sonic marlin
you want no respite for that
wdym no respite, i don't even know what shotgun to use
light ore
kantrael is least tight, lawbringer middle, agri most tight
no respite is a blessing
that causes things to take more damage if they're staggered
it dramatically increases the damage of follow up shots
so good for elite killing
stone folio
god i want more special shotgun shells
crude ermine
Not too mention full bore allows you to one shot ragers with the right set up on agri
wise fossil
seems nobody uses shotguns
Shotguns are not really great atm
crude ermine
Special
wise fossil
they're useable, just not great
crude ermine
The special
light ore
shotguns are fine, they are weird and require setup to perform well
sonic marlin
is agri useful for clearing up hordes or do i need to go for the wider spread ones?
stone folio
it one taps everything i need it too using exec stance
light ore
kantrael is your anti horde shotgun
wise fossil
shotguns are fine, they are weird and require setup to perform well
And there are many other guns that don't require that
light ore
agri is a lever action rifle
light ore
And there are many other guns that don't require that
sure but that isn't a balance statement, it's a "how annoying is this weapon to set up" statement
stone folio
true
light ore
rashad is annoying to set up, but it's the strongest melee in the game
when set up properly, shotguns are competitive
stone folio
did anyone test if the agrip revolver can be fan fired while running if you use Run N Gun?
light ore
it's just you can't get a grey one and do fine like with a colomnus
stone folio
colomnus is a bad example since i think thats the overtuned one
wise fossil
even Graia IAG will outperform any of the shotguns
and it doesn't require any kind of weird setup
crude fiber
Met a vet that un-ironically had ping set to LMB
gaunt hinge
the special slug just feels shit
Sluggy can go through thin walls and has very good hipfire accuracy, always load it with a slug, swap weapons often, slide often and when you do slide, optomise and load a slug into it. It opens bulwarks in 1 slug. Its your ez reload bootleg plasma gun.
light ore
the weird setup is completely irrelevant to the balance comparison
wise fossil
It's not
sonic marlin
i basically want a gun that oneshots most if not all elites but can handle hordes decently too
wise fossil
and it's odd that you keep saying that
gaunt hinge
No gun does that
wise fossil
i basically want a gun that oneshots most if not all elites but can handle horde...
yeah that's not happening
soft blade
i basically want a gun that oneshots most if not all elites but can handle horde...
yeah uh that doesn’t exist lol
crude ermine
Sluggy can go through thin walls and has very good hipfire accuracy, always load...
Only thing to talk about in terms of negatives is that at first it can be a bitch to hit with if you're going for an enemies head as the hitbox is quite small
sonic marlin
white minnow
kantrael is your closest option then
wise fossil
just run Columnus IAG bro
sonic marlin
I DO
wise fossil
if you want the OP gun that's it
sonic marlin
im tired of it
white minnow
or brauto
wise fossil
Agri Brauto is good too
sonic marlin
nah i need my ads
wise fossil
you are very picky
sonic marlin
so what
lucid hinge
I mean
gaunt hinge
Then run columnus lmao
light ore
"i want to run shotguns, any advice?" "columnus"
crude fiber
Met a vet that un-ironically had ping set to LMB
I blocked him after we finished. I said "ain't no way you actually have ping set to LMB" and he said there was nothing wrong with it. He was using focus target too
soft blade
my advice is to build with more than just your gun in mind if you wanna do everything lmao
frank ether
"i want to run shotguns, any advice?" "columnus"
vet chat in a nutshell
light ore
shotgun specced for horde is manstopper scattershot
soft blade
my advice is to build with more than just your gun in mind if you wanna do every...
or just be ready to only run columnus
gaunt hinge
Get yourself 9 stamina in curios and deadshot and columnus kills the game
light ore
with shotguns you make a tradeoff between different combinations of blessings depending on what you'retrying to do
wise fossil
Yeah I guess Lawbringer with the wide special is the crowd clearing gun
light ore
so you can make a hybrid elite horde killer shotgun with no respite/manstopper
and getting your crits from something else
like weapon specialist or deadshot
gaunt hinge
Kickback
crude fiber
Yeah I guess Lawbringer with the wide special is the crowd clearing gun
I'd argue kanteal is better for that but I havent used either so I wouldn't know
wise fossil
I'd argue kanteal is better for that but I havent used either so I wouldn't know
Kantrael is better in every way lol gotta find some niche for law
gaunt hinge
Isnt lawbringer straight bootycheeks
wise fossil
Kickback <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
Kickback Gungryn there you go
never pull out your melee
you even get a bash for CQC
crude fiber
Og shotgun and force sword both faded into irrelevance when the variants were added lol
gaunt hinge
Og shotgun was always irrelevant lets be real
mellow sable
Good blessings for mk3 sapper shovel?
icy orchid
can you still cheese on overwatch by going off the edge and staying dead?
mellow sable
I don't think so?
crude fiber
True but it was the only shotgun you could run so if you wanted to use a shotgun you had to use it
wise fossil
Good blessings for mk3 sapper shovel?
uncanny thrust
sharp ember
can you still cheese on overwatch by going off the edge and staying dead?
pretty sure that's gone now, gotta do it properly but you can still switch to your melee as soon as you hit 0 ammo
lucid hinge
on overwatch is take no melee damage
sharp ember
oh
crude ermine
Good blessings for mk3 sapper shovel?
Depends in terms of dealing with hordes or crushers
sharp ember
oops
crude ermine
Uncanny is always nice to have
lucid hinge
thats Make Every Shot Count
sharp ember
yeah i did that one legit too
soft blade
Good blessings for mk3 sapper shovel?
thrust/uncanny
sharp ember
when consignment yard was easier and didn't have a boss at the end
soft blade
goodbye armor
crude ermine
But I like to run thrust and limbsplitter against crushers
crude fiber
Good blessings for mk3 sapper shovel?
Single target do thrust and skullcrusher. Otherwise do uncanny and anything else
mellow sable
I have thrust 3 and limbsplitter 3
sharp ember
decimator + uncanny strike is my generalist shovel setup
crude fiber
That'll work but limbsplitter seems really annoying to use to me
umbral garnet
i basically want a gun that oneshots most if not all elites but can handle horde...
Plasma.
But plasma is a snooze fest.
mellow sable
I don't have any of those apparently need to do some grinding
soft blade
limbsplitter is good for just going full anti crusher
sonic marlin
But plasma is a snooze fest.
yeah i said that earlier
umbral garnet
yeah i said that earlier
Fr
rigid nimbus
Shovel!
rigid nimbus
Exactly
rigid nimbus
A lot of options tbh
umbral garnet
RAAAAHHH
rigid nimbus
Like a lot of good melee weapons
sonic marlin
lawbringer mk6 has a wide shot, that could work for hordes
rigid nimbus
....use your melee
sonic marlin
im good
soft blade
you’d probably be better off with kantrael for hordes but i barely use shotguns so idk
rigid nimbus
The 1a is okay at hordes
soft blade
although lawbringer flechette is funny
soft blade
The 1a is okay at hordes
not the lasgun lmao
rigid nimbus
Oh?
soft blade
the shotgun
rigid nimbus
Literally ignoring an entire half of the combat system 😭
THE BEST PART
umbral garnet
Nothing feels better than cleaving off heads in uncomfortable proximity.
rigid nimbus
No matter the class you're gonna have to throw hands
lucid hinge
make them respect personal space
sonic marlin
26 at once, thats fine
rigid nimbus
Why do you think psykers get the coolest sword?
trim steppe
Anyone wanna take a guess what class I'm on when I find this gorgeous sword in the shop?
soft blade
psykers are spoiled!
lucid hinge
except for staffs
umbral garnet
Anyone wanna take a guess what class I'm on when I find this gorgeous sword in t...
Psyker
lucid hinge
please fs add more staves
rigid nimbus
No matter the ranged weapon you will have to at some pint makebyour own space with your melee
No matter what
umbral garnet
No matter the ranged weapon you will have to at some pint makebyour own space wi...
Nuh uh, I use VOICE OF COMMAND
sonic marlin
Literally ignoring an entire half of the combat system 😭
i do use melee, i got a pcycler power sword, i just don't wanna be like 'oh a horde time to swing my melee for a few minutes' all the time, sometimes shoot them sometimes melee
umbral garnet
i do use melee, i got a pcycler power sword, i just don't wanna be like 'oh a ho...
You lost me at Pcycler
rigid nimbus
Nuh uh, I use VOICE OF COMMAND
You use that for way more than just "oh no one enemy hit me" lol
sonic marlin
what do you use
rigid nimbus
Shovul
umbral garnet
Literally anything else
shell python
hey real quick, how the fuck do you do the deadeye penance if executioner's stance doesn't work for it
lucid hinge
fuck using VoC for its actual purpose use it for the sick ass voicelines
rigid nimbus
fuck using VoC for its actual purpose use it for the sick ass voicelines
Pfft
sonic marlin
i don't like doing combos that much so i just make my sword light up and light attack
umbral garnet
If a mission I really wanna grind out gets on my nerves, I pull out the Pcycler
rigid nimbus
i don't like doing combos that much so i just make my sword light up and light a...
You only light attack?
sonic marlin
sure
rigid nimbus
Heavy attacks are where the juice is
umbral garnet
hey real quick, how the **fuck** do you do the deadeye penance if executioner's ...
Which one is this again
umbral garnet
yeah, 5 weak point kills in volley fire in 5 seconds
That works in Exec stance
lucid hinge
exe stance is volly fire
gaunt hinge
I thought they fixed those
rigid nimbus
But you won't be able to because I'll steal those kills
shell python
really? i looked it up and lotta people said exe stance doesn't work for it
sonic marlin
Heavy attacks are where the juice is
but why, i oneshot commons with light attack if my special is active
lucid hinge
how old were those posts?
shell python
maybe three months?
lucid hinge
thats why
rigid nimbus
but why, i oneshot commons with light attack if my special is active
Melee is the best way to deal with a lot of the big bois
shell python
ah, so exe stance works for it now?
lucid hinge
try it out in an actual game first
sonic marlin
Melee is the best way to deal with a lot of the big bois
do you ever shoot with your gun
lucid hinge
because that was when exe stance (upgraded volley) came out so it was buggy
shell python
ahhhhhhhh, gotcha
only recently got darktide so i wasnt sure when this big update was and how much it fixed the game
rigid nimbus
I have a lot of playtime on vet
shell python
thanks!
lucid hinge
no probs
rigid nimbus
Well you're wrong
umbral garnet
I have played Vet exclusively for almost 270 hours
rigid nimbus
Lmao
umbral garnet
So I have shot plenty a crusher in my time.
rigid nimbus
Me and MZM twinning
umbral garnet
Sure, shooting a Crusher to fucking smithereens with an IA or Helbore feels great
soft blade
do you ever shoot with your gun
vet has unironically amazing melee
umbral garnet
But one shotting a crusher with a shovel is better than sex
crude ermine
Jesus Christ this weapon is stupid
rigid nimbus
But one shotting a crusher with a shovel is better than sex
Close race
soft blade
there’s a reason a lot of people run melee focused builds on vet
i mean just look at knife vet lol
crude ermine
Why even use the heavy charge on anything but high health fucks when I can just press a button and cleave just as much as without the need of waiting
rigid nimbus
I mean I run a utility build
soft blade
plasma builds usually run more melee centric
sonic marlin
vet has unironically amazing melee
i just dislike doing combos and thats what most people suggest to melee effectively
soft blade
same with revolver
sonic marlin
having to time shit
soft blade
i just dislike doing combos and thats what most people suggest to melee effectiv...
i mean knowing proper swing patterns is pretty important
umbral garnet
i mean knowing proper swing patterns is pretty important
Swing patterns? What are those?
I just spam light in horde and hope for the best
rigid nimbus
Swing patterns? What are those?
Some weapons heavy patterns change attack type throught the combo
soft blade
I just spam light in horde and hope for the best
that’s not even a meme if you’re using certain melees lol
lucid hinge
i mean if you are running chord or psword its the best way to really use those weapons in hordes
soft blade
(again knife)
stone folio
the devil claw mk7 is one of those weapons you really need to put effort into the combo
umbral garnet
that’s not even a meme if you’re using certain melees lol
My Chainsword in question
rigid nimbus
that’s not even a meme if you’re using certain melees lol
POV Knife
sonic marlin
other than modifiers this isn't so bad right
rigid nimbus
The weapons you do have to put into effort do reward you though
lucid hinge
I mean those blessings are great and stats are a little mid but thats due to rating
just switch perks and you have a decent shotgun
lucid hinge
yeah both of those can go to 4
sonic marlin
ugh
soft blade
POV Knife
honestly the more i think about it most of vets best melees are just “xd light attack”
lucid hinge
i mean lvl 3 is better than nothing
rigid nimbus
Are you ever happy? Lmao
sonic marlin
I like maxing shit
soft blade
honestly the more i think about it most of vets best melees are just “xd light a...
against hordes at least
sonic marlin
guess ill stick with this
umbral garnet
that’s not even a meme if you’re using certain melees lol
Like, seriously, I have the new chainsword with rampage and wrath or whatever the plus cleave is on hit and I can bulldoze hordes with just light attacks.
soft blade
yeah chsword lights are funny
rigid nimbus
Columnus good
stone folio
........LMG for vet when
rigid nimbus
If a bit OP
soft blade
i was so confused seeing that ammo on a plasma for a sec
then i saw the blessings and was like oh
stone folio
either buff the other weapons to the lvl of columnus... or nerf the columnus abit
soft blade
nerf columnus
rigid nimbus
Just make the ammo economy a lil worse on it and its in line
sonic marlin
sexy huh
rigid nimbus
Atm far too easy to keep your ammo up
stone folio
ill just say the ammo block doesnt look that pretty when its floating
but it looks good
sonic marlin
ill just say the ammo block doesnt look that pretty when its floating
its inserted in the gun u dont get it
spring spindle
Is there a mod that turns the Plasma Gun into a Cavalier now that the picture reminds me?
spring spindle
That’s not even a gun. That’s just “n”
sonic marlin
pew pew
soft blade
literally looks like it was requisitioned from the dark angels
mellow sable
Or just a gun part
crude fiber
i know this is a psyker thing but psyker chat is a litttle slow if you catch my drift lol. you can get up to 80% movement speed buff on psyker with these 4 perks + rev it up on chainsword. you could even the speed boost on ogryn ability on there too
mellow sable
That's kinda just the "receiver"
crude fiber
would only be for 2.5 seconds but i wanna see what that would look like
frank basin
Psyker chat #3
crude fiber
uh huh
sharp ember
speed
thick needle
Guys I think Hadron is trying to tell me something
crude fiber
yeah, use marksmans focus
thick needle
RAVIOLI RAVIOLI
GIVE ME THE HEADSHOTOLI
tiny summit
Exe MF Laspistol kinda fun
crude fiber
RAVIOLI RAVIOLI
GIVE ME THE HEADSHOTOLI
unyielding wouldnt be the end of the world anyway if your going DA HH
crisp abyss
hey guys i know the revolver is good for one shoting things but i need more bullets in the mag so should i use a heavy laspistol?
crude fiber
use agri shotgun if you dont mind the reload
crisp abyss
i need range
like i dont want to slowy load a slug then kill a sinper
while im fighting hordes
thick needle
unyielding wouldnt be the end of the world anyway if your going DA HH
What does that mean
wanton dawn
hey guys i know the revolver is good for one shoting things but i need more bull...
Plasma probably
sonic marlin
That's kinda just the "receiver"
mm nah it just has a short barrel
crisp abyss
Plasma probably
maybe
fiery plinth
Hey, what’s good blessings for power swords again?
wanton dawn
Power cycler then either bm or sunder
crisp abyss
power cycler and the slaughterer
wanton dawn
Mk6
deft crystal
What blessings should I get on my columbus mk5 infantry?
muted knot
What does that mean
He means when you go for Deadly accurate and Headhunter, unyielding is solid and can stay
muted knot
What blessings should I get on my columbus mk5 infantry?
Dum dum flak/maniac is the base you want for it to be great, for the second blessing it's up to personal preference
I personally don't run a second damage blessing
umbral scaffold
weird thought
thick needle
Stripped Down is probably the best secondary blessing
Deathspitter is another crowd favorite
Speedload isn't bad if you wanna magdump tho
umbral scaffold
has anyone ever wondered why we are in a perpetual state of respawning
is it like inquistion secrets?
placid portal
Heretics just realised sacrifice quota was met so they kept you in a jar
umbral scaffold
ahhh
placid portal
umbral scaffold
maybe its like our bodies traverse clones of ourselves and they just regrow us in vats with the same memoires
umbral scaffold
yeeee
placid portal
By another team
frank basin
https://tenor.com/view/lethal-company-gaming-gamer-dance-jig-jiggy-gif-165487377...
Lethal company
placid portal
umbral scaffold
we are technically mini convicts
frank basin
frank basin
crisp abyss
hey guys best perk or blessings for plasma gun GO
frank basin
Glory hunter
umbral scaffold
mhm
im loading in rn i can look what are on mine
is gets hot any good
crit chance confuses me sometimes
tall torrent
hey guys best perk or blessings for plasma gun GO
Gets Hot > Gloryhunter ≈ Blaze Away > Volatile > Shattering Impact
slow spade
volatile is useless at best
sonic marlin
someone said it increases fire rate
doubt its good enough to beat gloryhunter or blaze away
slow spade
not that it helps anyways
frank ether
Just make the ammo economy a lil worse on it and its in line
here is my hot take
columnus is fine
It could get a little nerf and it would still be fine
but its not gonna make the guns you don't like suddenly attractive
rigid nimbus
Well you're entitled to your opinion
frank ether
I'm telling people agriag is fantastic and they refuse to use it
rigid nimbus
That's their problem
soft blade
agri iag is awesome
rigid nimbus
Your hot take is like
frank basin
Did fs drop the patch?
rigid nimbus
Cmon
sonic marlin
tbh columnus needs an alt fire that fires a single shot with 50x the standard dmg
frank ether
it scales great and is effective at ranges columnus becomes peashooter
rigid nimbus
Columnus is busted cmon
soft blade
i think a nerf is warranted for columnus but yeah that alone isn’t gonna significantly shake up the meta by any means
muted knot
I'm telling people agriag is fantastic and they refuse to use it
Hell yes agri fucks
frank ether
Columnus is busted cmon
at close range it is
move the engagement 20 meters further and it starts to change
soft blade
buffs to other weapons should come first and foremost
sonic marlin
move the engagement 20 meters further and it starts to change
says alot about your aim
frank ether
what aim lmao
muted knot
Lmao
sonic marlin
its good on long range
muted knot
what aim lmao
Why doesnt your aim change damage drop off ??? Clear skill issue
frank ether
''if your aim is good you can counteract damage fall-off''
-vet chat
soft blade
muted knot
Just aim harder bro
frank ether
I mean there are talents that counteract it
sonic marlin
you really think the dmg fall off is that bad? I never had issues at any range with it
frank ether
I didn't say its that bad
soft blade
bad enough for it to be considered
frank ether
I said other weapons start to get better
soft blade
not crippling
frank ether
You're not competing with agriag or headhunters at range
soft blade
^
crisp abyss
Gets Hot > Gloryhunter ≈ Blaze Away > Volatile > Shattering Impact
thank buddy and thanks guys
tall torrent
you really think the dmg fall off is that bad? I never had issues at any range w...
It is noticeable
You’re not beating stuff that actually kill in 1-2 shots at those longer ranges
austere mica
This is the best worst shotgun I have ever seen
civic knot
Buy?
tall torrent
Buy?
I wouldn’t
Surgical isn’t great for mk14 revolver
And u had already earned surgical IV
serene bough
Quickdraw isnt that good of a gun
civic knot
Quickdraw isnt that good of a gun
this will change, thats why im asking
serene bough
Wym
crisp abyss
you need hand cannon and surgical for revolver
civic knot
they will buff
tall torrent
you need hand cannon and surgical for revolver
Not on mk14
frank basin
So you want buy and keep until fs going buff?
civic knot
I mean what are BiS blessings rn for mk 14 revolver?
civic knot
So you want buy and keep until fs going buff?
yes
frank basin
Okay that’s your optional
tall torrent
I mean what are BiS blessings rn for mk 14 revolver?
Crucian roulette + hand cannon probably
Crucian roulette is undebatable tho
civic knot
i mean, do you really always wanna spamfire that thing?
tall torrent
Why else are you using mk14 revolver
frank ether
Quickdraw isnt that good of a gun
most guns arent as good of a gun as zarona tbf
soft blade
lol
placid portal
Crucian if you like Spam surgical makes it slower but tbh if you use Surgical on Agripinaa Volvo you should use zarona instead
frank ether
The idea of agri revolver is to quickdraw and magdump
frank ether
it has a high rof, it has a speedloader, it has 100 rounds
civic knot
Crucian roulette is undebatable tho
and hand cannon isnt undebatable??
tall torrent
and hand cannon isnt undebatable??
Hand cannon is still good but you could go with some different options based on preference
civic knot
thats like extra damage on every crit
frank basin
Against armor enemies
tall torrent
It’s mainly because rending alleviates dmg falloff (against flak, maniac, carapace & unyielding)
And mk14 revolver has disastrous dmg falloff
civic knot
Against armor enemies
also unyielding, and 60% is quite a bit
frank basin
How far mk14 maximum damage can reach?
crisp abyss
is it a good laspistal?
tall torrent
How far mk14 maximum damage can reach?
Like 25m or smth, it’s much shorter than most other ballistic weapons
It starts dropoff at 12.5?
Or 12, forgot
ripe totem
has anyone ever wondered why we are in a perpetual state of respawning
I like to think its all the seer's dream and the bad games are the ones where they're just a dream
but the winning ones are canon
frank basin
Like 25m or smth, it’s much shorter than most other ballistic weapons
12 I think it make sense why they balanced
civic knot
is it a good laspistal?
definitely, swap sprint eff for flak and reassuringly to infernus and ur golden
frank basin
Close range blessing like 7m is horrible
tall torrent
12 I think it make sense why they balanced
It’s a close range draw & spam weapon
You can go for longer distance shots but that’s really not the main selling point of the gun
umbral scaffold
I like to think its all the seer's dream and the bad games are the ones where th...
cool
frank basin
It’s a close range draw & spam weapon
You can go for longer distance shots but t...
And zorana is a sniping revolver
tall torrent
is it a good laspistal?
Yes
Sprint efficiency -> flak
Could swap reassuringly accurate for Infernus / ghost, up to u
serene bough
most guns arent as good of a gun as zarona tbf
At least the other options are functionally different, considering theyre both revolvers it makes the agri look even worse
tall torrent
And zorana is a sniping revolver
Zarona is a sniping revolver
frank basin
So you wanna buff damage fall off apripina to 15?
crisp abyss
Yes
Sprint efficiency -> flak
Could swap reassuringly accurate for Infernus / gh...
is reassuringly a bad blessing? i thought it was a good one
tall torrent
I think cleave buff tbh
civic knot
I think cleave buff tbh
this tbh
frank ether
At least the other options are functionally different, considering theyre both r...
Its vet that lacks synergy with braced weapons
tall torrent
is reassuringly a bad blessing? i thought it was a good one
It’s not bad, it just lacks consistency in a sense because you don’t know when you’ll get a kill that’s from a crit
serene bough
Is it good on zealot
frank ether
easier to work with than veteran
frank basin
I think cleave buff tbh
You saying every gun has cleave? And most of them are 1 cleave?
frank ether
since you get %75 spread reduction and bonus finesse on dodge rolls
so your playstyle is dodge a hit and then magdump
tall torrent
You saying every gun has cleave? And most of them are 1 cleave?
Most guns have very small cleave (can penetrate groaners)
Some have slightly better cleave (can penetrate shooters, poxwalkers, bruisers, various specialist enemies and shotgunners)
Some have high cleave (Boltgun, revolver, plasma)
umbral scaffold
there's some fun builds around 3th skill tree's colums (cloak)?
frank ether
braced weapons in general lack skill ceiling
and vet has no interactions except executioner
frank basin
Why that’s?
tall torrent
Why that’s?
Wdym why
frank basin
braced weapons in general lack skill ceiling
What you means braced auto lack of skill celling?
tall torrent
What you means braced auto lack of skill celling?
Low finesse + bullet spread
frank basin
That basically light machine gun balances
frank ether
its not very interesting
if the upcoming lmgs are also balanced like this
they will suck
umbral garnet
It's the Spray and Pray.
frank basin
Ik
sharp ember
lmgs need to be heavy as hell and need setup or reload
sonic marlin
For columnus its flak and maniac, dumdum and what? Fire frenzy or deathspitter? Does the same apply for agri?
frank basin
lmgs need to be heavy as hell and need setup or reload
God not the draw time
sharp ember
imagine they added equip time to plasma
frank ether
vet needs some kind of talent interaction with braced weaponry
muted knot
For columnus its flak and maniac, dumdum and what? Fire frenzy or deathspitter? ...
Basically yes
sharp ember
they'll say it's as bad as helbore
frank ether
even on zealot with %75 spread reduction brautos and agri revolver still considered niche guns
muted knot
Stripped down/speed loader/death spitter/fire frenzy
tall torrent
For columnus its flak and maniac, dumdum and what? Fire frenzy or deathspitter? ...
I heard good things abt sustained fire for agripinaa IAG
sharp ember
vet needs some kind of talent interaction with braced weaponry
deadshot
frank ether
deadshot <:chadgryn:1161142998214656090>
If only it reduced spread
muted knot
I heard good things abt sustained fire for agripinaa IAG
Could work, I'll give it a shot some time
frank ether
please fatshark, its all I need
solar sky
please fatshark, its all I need
Executioners stance xD
umbral garnet
True men use Deadshot on an autogun
frank basin
Spreading just Rambo
solar sky
seriously, makes it a laser beam
frank ether
if exec was a different design honestly I'd agree
umbral garnet
used it on columnus for ages
Good lad.
tall torrent
If exe was half as good as SG
Actually no that still wouldn’t benefit braced autoguns much cuz low finesse
solar sky
Not saying this is you, but a lot of people are just so used to having a panic button that they don't know how to play without it. Executioners stance is super strong, you just have to know how to keep your self safe in melee.
frank ether
I mean other part of the coin here is
sonic marlin
honestly where is Deadshot good?
umbral garnet
honestly where is Deadshot good?
Heavy Hitter guns.
frank basin
The blessing of brauto just wack and meh
sharp ember
i always take deadshot with shotguns because of crit-based blessings
umbral garnet
braced weapons usually considered more for right side builds
Cowards use autoguns for their melee builds.
sharp ember
cleaving crit slugs are pseudo-plasma shot
sonic marlin
why not just go for ADS guns
umbral garnet
Bayonet charge into a horde and use that damn Helbore
frank ether
if you can aim there is little point in braced guns
which is how it should be because braced guns are just easy
frank basin
Graia feature fast fire rate on braced is funny weird
frank ether
Its pretty accurate on zealot
sharp ember
doesn't help that IAG come with dumdum to increase their damage even more
frank ether
and you get armor pen on fury of the faithful
tiny summit
Zealot turning braced into laser pointers
frank ether
its veteran that doesnt have any good interactions with it
placid portal
For a ranged weapon class they dont have any special interaction with their weapons other than reload and damage
umbral garnet
The whole design philosophy behind Vets is The Distance Guy so braced not being great is kinda just how it is.
timid otter
Braced does have the advantage of its absurd cleave.
soft blade
i like brauto with a knife
frank basin
Do you guy wish brauto should have heating mechanic?
sharp ember
that's only the agri, which is equally cleaving with the IAG version
placid portal
And agripinaa braced is hella beautiful
soft blade
other than that eh
tiny summit
Agri brauto shooting through ogryn teammates is nice
timid otter
Its actually one of the better guns at dealing with hordes in the game.
tall torrent
honestly where is Deadshot good?
It’s mostly because +25% crit chance on demand can be very strong on several weapons assuming u can deal with stamina drain
frank ether
And agripinaa braced is hella beautiful
thats the decent one because its precise
but like
timid otter
Though admitely that doesnt come into play to often
the more interesting thing is that it can shoot specials behind hordes.
frank ether
both agriag and agri HH will murk stuff in one-two shots
placid portal
Stack stamina curio and your life will improve
tall torrent
both agriag and agri HH will murk stuff in one-two shots
And agripinaa headhunter is still the worst headhunter
frank basin
3 stamina curio?
frank ether
And agripinaa headhunter is still the worst headhunter
It is yet somehow it still performs so well
placid portal
Yes
frank ether
despite the ugly recoil
I imagine its because by being so damn unpopular it avoided the P13 nerfs that vraks3 got
sharp ember
i simply enjoy having 999 ammo pool with graia brauto
everybody's getting covered in lead
frank basin
Indeed
frank ether
i simply enjoy having 999 ammo pool with graia brauto
oh yea I have that on my knife build
tiny summit
i simply enjoy having 999 ammo pool with graia brauto
Why it gots fuller auto
sharp ember
when you brace
placid portal
frank basin
try it on zealot though
Combine celerity and fury and braced, imagine that
frank ether
it shreds crushers instantly if you use fury of the faithful
placid portal
Has red trigga to shoot fasta
tiny summit
Colum brauto feels...like nothing special
frank ether
yeah its the weird middle brother
sharp ember
from my runs, columnus is when you want to use Onslaught rending, but want better stagger than graia
sharp ember
because graia can't stagger ragers for shit
tall torrent
try it on zealot though
I need to
sharp ember
but columnus will
tall torrent
Does Graia braced auto do good boss dps as well?
tall torrent
I was considering crusher + boltgun combo with throwing knives
tiny summit
Playing CoD: Darktide with Exe MF Agri HH
frank basin
Does Graia braced auto do good boss dps as well?
I tried on BoN is do decent between good dps
frank ether
Playing CoD: Darktide with Exe MF Agri HH
Its actually good
tiny summit
It is
placid portal
Fun shit
frank ether
Its so absurd that it stops being edgy and enters the cool territory again
kinda like dante
crisp abyss
hey i want to refine one of the perks on my power sword but i dont know which to switch, i cant do both, i need to rebless my sword too
placid portal
Will play again
frank basin
So many pfp cats
slender turtle
I was just seeing that
tiny summit
Opening Salvo working on every burst of the burst fire HHs is nice. But it also has Head Hunter and Deadly Accurate blessings
frank basin
More cats
sharp ember
Does Graia braced auto do good boss dps as well?
it might be faster than columnus with braced firerate, probably not gonna excel more than an agri
frank ether
Opening Salvo working on every burst of the burst fire HHs is nice. But it also ...
opening salvo done dirty because of deadly accurate
tbh I feel like deadly accurate does more harm than help the HHs
because they are balanced around that now
v3 even got nerfed over it
tall torrent
it might be faster than columnus with braced firerate, probably not gonna excel ...
How does it fare vs boltgun
V3 is literally unplayable without DA+HH
sharp ember
boltgun is probably faster, but brauto is gonna come out of it with way more ammo remaining
frank ether
Does Graia braced auto do good boss dps as well?
It does okay-ish dps.... on zealot
tall torrent
However V3 with DA+HH and non-shit perk rolls is unironically one of the highest dps guns u can have for veteran
sharp ember
i have fun dumping whole magazines into beasts of nurgle
tall torrent
boltgun is probably faster, but brauto is gonna come out of it with way more amm...
Yea I can tell
sharp ember
when you brace and put a whole mag into a BoN's back 
frank basin
That’s what I do
frank ether
However V3 with DA+HH and non-shit perk rolls is unironically one of the highest...
thats one thing I don't get
wouldn't agri HH be higher
since it still has unnerfed finesse
frank basin
Braced Graia on back BoN weakspot does good damage
frank ether
is it a firerate difference maybe
tall torrent
wouldn't agri HH be higher
Theoretically maybe, but practically speaking unless u have exe to tame the recoil v3 just hits weakpoints way more often
frank ether
well I do run it with exe yea
tall torrent
And v3 gets to stack headhunter more effectively since it’s 3r burst
frank ether
not so much for recoil
but I want to hit higher bps
murk things with the first shot of the burst
crisp abyss
hey is +8% melee damage(elites) or +8% melee weak spot damage better?
frank basin
Elite
tiny summit
Elite. Weakspot and crit dmg perks are dogshit
frank basin
Everyone wanted flak maniac
crisp abyss
yea but cant have both
frank basin
If fs remove locked upgrade everyone would go flaniac
muted knot
Weak spot damage is such a joke man, it's not the full damage your shit to the weakspot does +8%
tiny summit
Fatshark with arbitrary restrictions because they know their perk/blessing balance is kinda shit
muted knot
It's +8% extra damage for the difference of your body shot damage and full damage with a weakspot hit
muted knot
If fs remove locked upgrade everyone would go flaniac
Not on everything but yeah its best on a lot of weapons
frank basin
Not on everything but yeah its best on a lot of weapons
Just sad to see everyone go flak maniac
Fs wouldn’t want us play like that
muted knot
If other perks were worthwhile
tiny summit
It's due to the enemy cast makeup. If enemies of the same type had a chance of varying armor, it would make other dmg types look better.
Bro imagine carapace helmeted gunners
muted knot
That sure beats +25% against the most common armortype
muted knot
Bro imagine carapace helmeted gunners
Heresy
frank basin
New mauler
tiny summit
Carapace ragers
frank basin
Damnation
muted knot
New mauler
I guess that was a typo but I like Mailer
tiny summit
Carapace poxwalker
quartz stream
what's meta for this?
tiny summit
Everything Carapace modifier
tiny summit
what's meta for this?
You got fucked
muted knot
what's meta for this?
Blessings should still be surgical/onslaught
quartz stream
damn, oh well
frank basin
Everything Carapace modifier
tiny summit
I have not seen a more bricked mk3
frank ether
Not on everything but yeah its best on a lot of weapons
its the fault of crafting system being full of dud options
quartz stream
beautiful in its own twisted way
muted knot
I have not seen a more bricked mk3
Could be worse modifiers
tiny summit
But surgical/onslaught it will do alright
frank ether
they could easily make the less attractive options more competitive
tiny summit
Like not make reload speed be a pitiful 10%
frank ether
like if the weakspot damage was %25 insted of %8 you'd at least consider it on some guns
crisp abyss
sustained fire is not for sinper rifle
crisp abyss
what's meta for this?
thats the worse roll i have seen
frank basin
Just extract the blessing
quartz stream
okay, then suffer with me
muted knot
sustained fire is not for sinper rifle
You just don't need more damage on mk3
tiny summit
Come up with the ragers like in Gears of War Judgement. Be riflemen that then become enraged
tiny summit
okay, then suffer with me
Ay. That's pretty good
quartz stream
muted knot
okay, then suffer with me
Are you running with Mk3 for a specific reason ?
quartz stream
pure damage
tiny summit
Funny thoomp
quartz stream
frank basin
tiny summit
Roll it again. No balls
muted knot
You can go to purple
quartz stream
frank basin
Purple purple purple
quartz stream
you dared me, now I want my money back
muted knot
Bricked
tiny summit
Roll
muted knot
Stop now
tiny summit
Pull
muted knot
Cut your losses
tiny summit
You don't know what that 2nd blessing could be
muted knot
You don't know what that 2nd blessing could be
Stop
frank basin
Orange orange orange
crisp abyss
nooo it not worth it
frank basin
I want more suffering g
tiny summit
99% of gamblers quit before they hit big
muted knot
Best that could happen is surgical 4 or onslaught 4
tiny summit
Gonna be no respite
quartz stream
I sold it
frank basin
Aww
tiny summit
No balls
muted knot
Good man
frank basin
No more suffering and tormenting
frank ether
painful lmao
frank basin
tiny summit
When new weapons eventually drop
tiny summit
Hadron gonna fuck you over when the new weapons come. "This varlet is avoiding me"
frank ether
she probably will
but that assumes FS will release something interesting
they've been dead quiet for a while now
tiny summit
Sorry. All shredder mks
quartz stream
frank basin
Good
frank ether
slap surgical over infernus, maniac over unarmored
tiny summit
Infernus to surgical and its pretty good there. And yea maniac over unarmored
muted knot
slap surgical over infernus, maniac over unarmored
Maniac really ? I'd have guessed unyielding
frank ether
yes, really
cause
it drops mutie kill
one less shot
you can also do unyielding sure
tiny summit
Unyielding a viable option too
muted knot
But I'm not familiar with Mk3 breakpoints so 
frank ether
but you'll one shot reaper regardless
quartz stream
hmm, seems I don't have surgical 4 yet
flint lake
Mk2 has a fast charge and won’t benefit from onslaught
tiny summit
Neither am I. Too slow and shit bayonet
frank ether
the breakpoints my calculations are based on a roll with 80/80 or close to it
but marksman focus will make up the difference
you dont need full 10 stacks
tiny summit
Mk2 has a fast charge and won’t benefit from onslaught
Good thing it's mk3
quartz stream
well, I do have this
frank ether
hmm thats also not bad
placid portal
Falter + No respite Mk2 Lucius?
frank ether
again needs surgical
placid portal
placid portal
almost as fast as MG 12 kant ye?
frank ether
fast enough to the point I manually slow my pace on Mk II to get more crits
tiny summit
Yea but you'll have nerds going "but dps!".
frank ether
almost as fast as MG 12 kant ye?
And it will absolutely blow MG12 out of the water
Its so much better its hilarious
tiny summit
Like yea it has more dps but also the charge bonus is negligent in actually having to line up headshots
frank ether
difference between gun that relies on blessing for damage and gun that has it baseline
quartz stream
I've got resources to burn, so
tiny summit
Poor XII
frank ether
also a little tip
quartz stream
frank ether
stability is a dump stat for hbs
frank ether
if you get a low stability roll do not fret and keep it
tiny summit
Yea
quartz stream
placid portal
Nah
tiny summit
Ammo is the secondary dump. It will give a slightly larger mag but you don't really worry about ammo reserve
frank ether
as long as you get surgical thats what matters
frank ether
smh hadron hates you
sonic marlin
does agri iag have higher dps than columnus?
tiny summit
20% sprint efficiency let's goo!
frank ether
does agri iag have higher dps than columnus?
Not in close range but it can be build to one-two shot most enemies
sonic marlin
huh really
placid portal
Agripinaa is nice
sonic marlin
elites?
frank ether
agri iag is like a
placid portal
Pretty good at it
frank ether
its like a hybrid between AR and DMR
placid portal
but Columnus is a BRRT and they die
frank ether
it does both jobs sort of
tiny summit
huh really
Yea. Agri IAG is chunky
sonic marlin
gotta test it
placid portal
Really love agripinna
tiny summit
If you can control recoil and burst fire it, Agri IAG pretty good at handling elites
frank ether
my build is a bit meme tier but it does one shot both dreg and scab gunner with exec