veteran-class

[umbral scaffold]

something along those lines

[light ore]

would probably be better on a weapon with a slower draw time

[umbral scaffold]

yes

[wanton dawn]

Imagine if revolver had a special action that would FAN it

that would be cool right ?

Well, we don't do cool here

[light ore]

laspistol drawtime is so fast you can literally weave shots into your melee cycle with a macro

[hearty panther]

it has no drawtime

[umbral scaffold]

ive been using this super beefed light laspistol for level 5s mixed with the new chain axe

muh gaw

doom slayer might have trouble keeping up

[agile forge]

But Q does do that for every weapon

[umbral scaffold]

it does yes

BUT

what if

[agile forge]

fancy swap maybe

[hearty panther]

the laspee special is really just for Psyker

they turn it into a baller force push

[umbral scaffold]

i havent even tried psyker yet i dont know why i should

[light ore]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/XYtkk9E95f1dP/H6Df2737tAWY?invite=cr-MSxORWQsMTU3ODYzOTYwLA?mobilebypass=true

[umbral scaffold]

but yes anyway it would be dope if light laspistols were able to rely on a more effective Q for veterans and maybe zealots too

would be cool

just wanted too finish that thought was a cool one imo

[tiny summit]

When people use keybinds to refer to actions I definitely get momentary confusion. Because my alt has always been on the mouse

[umbral scaffold]

the weapons special my bad

[light ore]

it's funny, i still think of it as qq canceling cause vermintide

[umbral scaffold]

ive been using Q since game start

[light ore]

but i legit had no idea what q did

cause my weapon swaps are on scroll wheel

[ivory aurora]

Q the quick swop ?

[umbral scaffold]

considered yourself enlightend

https://tenor.com/view/the-universe-tim-and-eric-mind-blown-mind-blown-meme-mind-explosion-mind-explosion-meme-gif-18002878

oh maybe im too baked

[light ore]

yeah

[ivory aurora]

I’ve been using the second revolver and power sword with weapons specialist

[umbral scaffold]

i meant the laspistols special not Q specifically since people change binding my bad

[ivory aurora]

The reload alway puts one round back in the chamber

I’ve never used the las pistol special on bet before.

[light ore]

why second revolver? just preference?

[ivory aurora]

I wanna feel like a cow boy

[light ore]

a good reason

[ivory aurora]

But it works for the other one too

Just feel cool to fan the hammer after swinging a power sword

[umbral scaffold]

be really cool too see kraken ammo and the ammo that grey knights use

all the wild ammo types would be cool too see

[ivory aurora]

I doubt we’ll ever see it unfortunately. First of all Grey knights are a myth. Second we I don’t think we’ll be fighting APCs

[umbral scaffold]

well maybe not grey knights ammo

but i mean kraken ammo

[ivory aurora]

Do the sisters use kraken ammo ?

[umbral scaffold]

im pretty positive the sister of scilence have special ammo types

they work with the custodes

maybe even lucian blacks

[ivory aurora]

I know space marines sometime use kraken since kraken is high penetration if I’m not mistaken

I meant sisters of battle.

[umbral scaffold]

yea there is one that has promethium in it aswell instead of the adamantium core or whatever it is

[ivory aurora]

Yeah. I think it’s just a bit too special for us rejects lol

[umbral scaffold]

sister are sister technically

just differnt ordos

true

[ivory aurora]

Sisters of silence are all blanks right ?

[umbral scaffold]

would be cool too maybe raid a space marine armory or something and find some

yea they are

they are like hyper blanks one was such a powerful blank she couldnt even be seen

[ivory aurora]

Would be cool but I think if we are to raid an armory it will be a heavy weapons storage facility.

[umbral scaffold]

lol

not wrong

[ivory aurora]

I don’t see space marines storing weapons on a hive city is all. I think they would keep it close to a monastery or something

Plus melts and las cannons might make their way in to our little hands

[agile forge]

Maybe an ancient forgotten cache in a vault buried beneath the city

But if they're gonna do that it'd probably have something cooler than just spess mehren weapons

Titan or some shit

[ivory aurora]

Could be. It will also make us go deeper in the the hive to investigate these strange sightings

[broken shore]

are these good stats for a Ia lasgun?

[hollow ibex]

if you're level 30, hell no

if you're not, it doesn't matter

[tawny kraken]

the best lasgun has its total stats at 170, 305 is simply too high for immersion

[hardy ember]

New vet weapon types on the way?

[lilac eagle]

The purpose of the bayonet has always been to turn the rifle into a type of 'spear'

[terse idol]

The max modifiers for any weapon is 380, you basically want to get max rolls in damage if you can

But yeah thats no good

[forest blaze]

Brunt: “Best I can do is 125”

[terse idol]

Max rolls means 80's

Or close to 80's

[frosty lark]

i need a good vet knife build

asap

[umbral scaffold]

gimme a second ill shoe you my best two

lol shoe

those are my really good las pistols

[empty zephyr]

OK. new updates cause stripped down and "on dodge" perks to interact now. Is it worth abusing?

[agile forge]

I'm about to try that with CIAG and Deadshot

[idle swallow]

If you're doing a mostly close range/melee build its worth considering otherwise just blast the shooters down

[agile forge]

"About to" whenever I can next get on which might be in a few days lol

[spring spindle]

If there’s one thing I’d like. It’s to rework smoke grenades. I want some variety

[hollow ibex]

Hope you have 9 stamina

[viscid sparrow]

ok, so I know the stats on this shovel are garbage, but can I still make it serviceable by just swapping out the blessings?

[agile forge]

I'm working on it! Got one curio so far

I should check now if there's more

I'm also using Marksman's Focus on it just for the memes. CIAG is an instant-death laser.

[hollow ibex]

it'll be a meme build, CIAG def doesn't need deadshot lol

[agile forge]

What does need Deadshot then? I want to try it with something

[hollow ibex]

i use it on slower rpm guns so i don't need to take 3 3 stam curios

[viscid sparrow]

Zarona revolver if you don't run it with surgical?

[hollow ibex]

shotguns, bolters, headhunters

[spring spindle]

Is deadshot the one with the crit boost but drains stamina?

[hollow ibex]

yeh

[spring spindle]

Helbores use that well. I like to do that at least

[hollow ibex]

oh yeah hellbores

[light ore]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9b3dda19-8566-4d59-889c-5376a276c06e

here you go

[viscid sparrow]

btw, does anyone know if Thrust is needed on a mk3 shovel?

[frosty lark]

Swag ty

[agile forge]

I was taking it for the sway reduction. I was presuming that'd make the CIAG more controllable. Am I stupid?

[hollow ibex]

well CIAG doesn't really have sawy

[agile forge]

or is sway different from recoil?

[hollow ibex]

it's just vertical recoil

[agile forge]

so it doesn't have an impact?

[hollow ibex]

maybe it helps with recoil too, but i don't believe so 🤔

[agile forge]

well there goes all of my justification for taking it

good

[hollow ibex]

if you take deadshot it'll prob be for the crit chance bonus

[agile forge]

Crit chance is great but that alone isn't worth dumping my stamina

[hollow ibex]

or something like bolter, though tbh even then idk how much of a difference the sway reduction makes there

[hollow ibex]

yeah i don't mind taking one stam curio

[agile forge]

I just wanted to make sure my bullets were landing on target

[hollow ibex]

but 3 is just excessive

[agile forge]

Nah, this is great

I get to buy so many extra talents that I really needed

because I don't have to support deadshot

thanks <3

emperor walk with you

[candid vapor]

just heard from the new telopots bolter vdeo that ads-ing with bolter gives +5% crit. Are there any other weapons that work this way?

[tiny summit]

If you want max damage against crushers and maulers

[rough palm]

What is the easiest way to get a new character to level 30

[hollow ibex]

have a friend carry you through the highest difficulty mission you can play

[spring spindle]

Play the game

[hollow ibex]

until you hit 30

[spring spindle]

That too

[rough palm]

Whoah never would’ve thought of that thanks

[spring spindle]

Thoughts on the sharpshooter keystone?

[soft blade]

marksman’s focus?

[agile forge]

Fun and powerful and awkward as hell

[soft blade]

it’s hilariously poorly designed

[agile forge]

I like it for CIAG

death laser

[hollow ibex]

i take it with the camo node and just play normally

[cold mason]

Thoughts?

[serene sage]

empty

[umbral scaffold]

bloodletter is nasty

[serene sage]

swap devast strike to rampage and you're done I think

maybe elite to unarmored so you horde clear better

[umbral scaffold]

if you like the chain sword you should check out the newer chain axe

[tall torrent]

Decent, could harvest Bloodletter IV if u have better rolls
If not, devastating strike to rampage, maniac to flak, and you’re good to go

[terse idol]

Every time you get a curio

Upgrade it with +exp

And play only missions you know you can consistently beat

No use struggling 4's and 5's and losing out ob potential xp gain

If you can't gurantee consistent wins

[spring spindle]

Also. Any weapons that benefit from crit really well besides the Lasguns?

[agile forge]

CIAG has a big crit multiplier

[spring spindle]

CIAG?

Oh

[tall torrent]

Laspistol
Headhunter autogun
Boltgun
Revolver
Helbore lasgun
Infantry autogun

[spring spindle]

Columnus

[agile forge]

Columnus Infantry Autogun

[rough palm]

Ty very useful advice tbh

[cold mason]

Is anyone working on an Ogrynomicon for Vet?

[spring spindle]

Is it viable to just skip the sharpshooter keystone and get other stuff? I’m gonna do Columnus anyway

However. I do wanna go more left side

Or just an infantry Autogun but focus crit

[bitter turtle]

Yeah I don't run keystone on colu

[agile forge]

I love MF keystone for it though

Feels like a lot of power

[bitter turtle]

It's not bad of course but I opt for onslaught personally

You're stretched kinda thin if you take both and I like taking nade perks

[bitter turtle]

Crit is great on a lot of guns but you won't find much natural crit on the tree unless you play a melee focused build

Or a slow shooting gun

Deadshot and reciprocity are the biggest sources of crit chance, and kinda weapon specialist

[spring spindle]

I find I have best luck with Helbore with crit

Surgical. Left side boosting crit skills. And it’s fun

However I just like Autoguns more

[bitter turtle]

Columnus doesn't have surgical/headhunter and while you can play deadshot columnus

It drains stamina very fast

[bitter turtle]

Maybe consider v3 if you want an automatic esque auto gun with high crit

Or v7 if you want an autogun version of helbore

[wanton dawn]

Having a crash make you realize how many useless load time there is in this game

[tribal tangle]

who has an oh pee plasma build?

[bitter turtle]

Focus target or wep specialist?

[agile forge]

Me. 1. Equip Plasma. That's it.

[bitter turtle]

Focus target better bps, wep specialist makes your melee op as well

[tribal tangle]

need a build for auric, may use power sword or something

or maybe sapper shovel

[civic knot]

I have one point to spend and Im not running kraks for armor. Which of these do I grab?

[wanton dawn]

You remove MF and you take FT instead

[bitter turtle]

They both work in auric

Just which would you rather play is all

[tribal tangle]

i dont wanna have to rely on the plasma fully

[bitter turtle]

OK I'll give you wep specialist

[civic knot]

https://youtu.be/qeHHWlixTYc?si=7BC67l5aJdtRDGEt

[bitter turtle]

This what I used in twins hm

[wanton dawn]

We are linking lindberg again now ?

[bitter turtle]

I was gonna answer u and then u linked tanner

Jk

[civic knot]

yikes

[bitter turtle]

Run camoflauge

[tribal tangle]

ty, ill give it a shot

[bitter turtle]

It's not necessarily optimal over 15 stacks but in practice it's comfiest

[bitter turtle]

You know how wep specialist works right?

[civic knot]

He knows what he's talking about idk what to say. I dont have the points to waste to get focus target:

[bitter turtle]

The keystone

[tribal tangle]

yeah, i use it in some of my builds

[civic knot]

Idk if I need to get desperado, its just nice cause it's damage AND attack speed

[bitter turtle]

U do realize you spend the exact same number of points to get focus

[sleek garden]

what gun are you using

[bitter turtle]

With no subnodes tbf

But you can pick up 10 rending or monstro ogryn

[civic knot]

infantry Kantrael Ia

[wanton dawn]

With that build you can target down for better stam regen on a deadshot build

[hard briar]

What he's saying is he's unwilling to go into another tree

[civic knot]

10 rending sucks

not worth it at all

[sleek garden]

im assuming you're using exhilarating takedown/kill confirmed

[civic knot]

just run onslaught if u have an autogun and spend that point elsewhere

[sleek garden]

id go with the toughness boost

[bitter turtle]

Don't the lasguns have shitty flak

[civic knot]

kill confirmed yes

[sleek garden]

because you can keep picking off guys and get faster toughness regen

[civic knot]

ogryns really arent an issue if you aim for their head or use melee for the armored ones

[sleek garden]

as long as you land a few headshots

[civic knot]

it stacks only to 3 tho

[wanton dawn]

Oh well, I won't comment more I don't play lasgun

[civic knot]

confirmed kill is any kill, 30% toughness

[sleek garden]

yes but each stack of focus give you 2.5% bonus toughness

[wanton dawn]

Also I keep hearing about this youtuber for some reason

[civic knot]

thats just not good compared to confirmed kill. Even with one kill on a focus target, it only gets you 40% toughness with all 8 stacks

its just a big point sink i dont need

[bitter turtle]

is "10% rending bad" another tanner take or is that homegrown misinfo

10% rending adds more dmg to flak than superiorty complex (15% elite) js

lol

[wanton dawn]

I think it was, but about the middle one

[hard briar]

It can be both

[sleek garden]

the 2.5% toughness thing is one of the last nodes hes asking about

i was just pointing out which one id use

exhilarating takedown gives you toughness resistance

and extra toughness

[civic knot]

Literally watched his video where he tested it. Its only ever good on carapace, and then you really want a lot of it for it to be really noticable

[civic knot]

btw its not 2,5% its 5%

oh wait

we arent talking bout focus target?

[wanton dawn]

Erm, pretty sure the 10% rending does more than the 15% elite on flak if I refer to the armor mod

I am gonna test it immediately

[bitter turtle]

how about you test it yourself instead of watch a youtuber notorious for misifno

lol

https://i.gyazo.com/2ed122099fae37a67a910030039c8020.jpg

i just tested it

[sleek garden]

i may have

[bitter turtle]

left is rending

[sleek garden]

misidentified that picture

[bitter turtle]

right is superiority

[sleek garden]

i thought it was marksmans focus

oopsie

[civic knot]

Thats like difference is like nothing tho. How about damage for maniac ragers, unarmored gunner heads, etc

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/ae6806818ad45208b4aa7b85991b608f.jpg

neither btw

[sleek garden]

is it marksmans focus or focus target

[bitter turtle]

no, you misread

or maybe you did idk

rending added more than superiority

[sleek garden]

rending works on maniacs by the way

[bitter turtle]

so you literally would be better off picking up rending lmao

[sleek garden]

just headshot someone

[bitter turtle]

ill test maniac for u though

[wanton dawn]

I think the point about 15% elite being better still stand though

[civic knot]

That doesnt mean it's better 🤦 Just compare the difference for 10% rending on maniac vs superiority complex

[sleek garden]

the great thing is you can take both

and get a boost

you dont need to take an entire different path down the tree for something that works marginally better anyway

[civic knot]

@wanton dawn yes, it sure does. For this reason.

[bitter turtle]

well, the real answer would be

u should test bp and see if either of them even meaningfully change your ttk

but since ur asking for help im assuming you dont want to put that work in

lul

[wanton dawn]

In any case, my point was about MF, not rending

[sleek garden]

now im confused because henkz said he was talking about focus target

[bitter turtle]

ok

so i tested every armor type

actually

[wanton dawn]

I mean, that is not hard to check...

[bitter turtle]

superiority wins on maniac/unarmored
rending wins on unyielding/flak/carapace (tbf you prob wont be shooting carapace with lasgun) lul

[wanton dawn]

That's basic math

Well, not basic but

[raw sphinx]

is the dif bigger on non headshot?

[bitter turtle]

you can link that but im not sure if they understand what rending does in the first place

[raw sphinx]

do headshots affect the armour mod?

[bitter turtle]

dont think so

[raw sphinx]

oki

[bitter turtle]

so it should be the same % difference

[civic knot]

Rending baaarely wins for armor. Having higher damage on the majority of the most dangerous enemies in the game (elites) is more important than a very slight increase in damage for mostly armor

[raw sphinx]

unless they have different armour on head i suppose

but that's neither here nor there

[bitter turtle]

most elites are flak though?

wtf

unless u mean specialists

[sleek garden]

the lasgun does big damage and a fair amount of stagger either way any of these should help if you just aim for the head

[civic knot]

Dreg ragers, dreg gunners

[sleek garden]

don't bother shooting at crushers is all

[raw sphinx]

specials have low enough hp to reach 1 or 2s breakpoints regardless

[bitter turtle]

yeah thats TWO lol, and dreg gunners still have flak bodies if need to bodyshot in some scenarios

[civic knot]

why would you? ofc not

[wanton dawn]

IN any case, here what I built for it, though arguably you won't benefit from the melee bonus

[bitter turtle]

flak is scab rager/mauler/scab gunner

[raw sphinx]

doesn't the benefit of rending also vary wildly based on ranged wep?

[sleek garden]

then dont take the rending talent and take the one that gives you bonus toughness regen

[civic knot]

the damage difference for armor is negligable, 20 damage difference is not worth not doing 15% more damage to 2 elites

[bitter turtle]

it depends on bps

again that is something you have to test urself though

or u can just run both

tbh

like others are saying

lol

which is what i'd do personally

[raw sphinx]

is a weapon's rending affected by its cleave number too?

[bitter turtle]

no

rending is just the armor modifier

[wanton dawn]

on the build i linked, the 10% rending add about 90 damage on a 630 shot on flak maniac

[junior needle]

Very much depends on the gun. Rending has little benefit against targets that already reliably exceed 100%. But it also has other benefits like countering ranged damage falloff, which also works on inverted falloff.

I'd 100% take rending strikes on an infantry las for both their shit flak damage and also dealing with the inverted falloff. But on an agri IAG, the benefit is limited assuming you have onslaught already.

[raw sphinx]

yeah but i assume some weapons have a big rending buff on attacks?

[bitter turtle]

like maybe you misunderstood

i was comparing superiortiy ccomplex to rending not to say u should drop 15% elite for rending

[junior needle]

Rending is a separate buff to you that increases your modifiers to armor types

Weapons do not inherently have "rending"

You can get it from the tree or blessings though

[bitter turtle]

im saying rending is quite a significant damage increase on a very common armor type (flak) and also unyielding

[raw sphinx]

isn't it just a mod to the dmg against armour types?

[bitter turtle]

u should just take both insetad of taking random shit

[raw sphinx]

like going from 0.5x to 0.6?

[bitter turtle]

yes

if you have 10% rending that's exactly what it does

[raw sphinx]

doesn't the base vary by weapon?

[bitter turtle]

yes

[junior needle]

Yes

[bitter turtle]

so some weapons (like plasma)

dont really want it

[raw sphinx]

like some have 0.1, aka way better for those?

[bitter turtle]

they're like 100 on everything already or close to

ya

the shittier the armor modifier the bigger benefit you'll see

[wanton dawn]

Honestly though, what is the point of taking mf on a lasgun ia when you already OS all trash on headshot kill ?

[raw sphinx]

so i just wondered wether weps had lower armour mods after cleaving through some enemies

[bitter turtle]

nah

they dont

[raw sphinx]

ah ok

ty

[runic hound]

when does veteran stop being painful to play? currently lvl 8 and not having too much fun or succes with it

[bitter turtle]

painful how

[raw sphinx]

i don't like vet either lol

[junior needle]

When you get the ability to shout at teammates and also decent weapons

[bitter turtle]

yeah

if feeling squishy if your problem

[raw sphinx]

shout ability is goated

[runic hound]

examples of what a decent weapon is?

[bitter turtle]

itll probably feel better at voc

[raw sphinx]

revolver, the big blue gun

[serene sage]

do you have more success with other classes, namely psyker?

[bitter turtle]

columnus iag is a decent gun that requires almost nothing in terms of blessings /perks to work well enough

plasma too yeah

[runic hound]

using a gun is just so annoying

the recoil is all sorts of janky or having to spam semi auto is annoying

[junior needle]

Weapons with some stats/perks/blessing on them rather than the barebones garbage you get leveling. But yeah ciag is disgusting dps even on low stats.

Also easy to build

[bitter turtle]

revolver is blessing dependent more so idk about suggestin gthat

[junior needle]

Revolver is breakpoint dependent

[bitter turtle]

the folding shovels (mk3, mk6) are good, easy to build melee if you're looking for that

[raw sphinx]

it has great special breakpoints even without blessings

[serene sage]

wait until you unlock the plasma rifle and get one from Brunt armoury or shop

[raw sphinx]

but yeah surgical and whatnot make it even better

[junior needle]

Also someone told me that the finesse power MF gives is different/better than regular weakspot damage for headshots and that was a lie.

[bitter turtle]

it wasn't me

I swear

😔

[junior needle]

It was grawr

[bitter turtle]

time for them to answer for their crimes

[junior needle]

Tested it now, exact same damage with 4 stacks of MF as the precision strikes node

[bitter turtle]

you could try a sniper weapon

so you dont need to like

spam

just click

if you dont want to deal with recoil

graia infantry autogun has very controllable recoil and is easy to build

or||recon||

[junior needle]

Neurons activated

[runic hound]

all i got right now are charge lasers, semi auto lasers, semi/burst and infanty ARs

not really a fan of any of them

[hoary stratus]

the recoil gets better at higher levels when you have access to weapons with decent stability stat

[serene sage]

we have

full auto
semi auto
what would be "zero auto"?

[hoary stratus]

bro wants a bolt action

[bitter turtle]

manually replace each bullet

[runic hound]

a gun that does not load itself after a shot

[bitter turtle]

try Graia IAG

like buy one from brunt

the grey one

[serene sage]

sometimes it do be that way unfortunately, I guess it's just grinding it out until you get better stuff namely Plasma or Revolver

[bitter turtle]

see if you are ok with that recoil

[runic hound]

in a semi automatic, the automatic part is the loading

such weapons used to be called self loading when the norm was having to manually rechamber each shot

[serene sage]

by better I mean easier to work with at low level

[serene sage]

I see

so basically

Full auto
Semi auto
Bolt action

[runic hound]

yes

[serene sage]

have you seen/tried the Boltgun yet?

[runic hound]

but there are differenty actions other than bolt

[junior needle]

All the guns are gonna feel like dog where you are atm

[runic hound]

on zealot yes, it sucked

[serene sage]

fair enough

[bitter turtle]

what guns did you like on zealot

[serene sage]

acquired taste ig

[runic hound]

💀

[bitter turtle]

maybe that will help

lol

[serene sage]

yeah unfortunate truth, pre30 to me was hell

[wanton dawn]

Hey, I might be having fun here

[serene sage]

definitely mind numbing, im sorry

[runic hound]

i guess agri br was nice? i was mostly into the melees though

melee spam is favourite thing even with vet lmao

[runic hound]

lvl 8 is my rank (did i mention this?)

[bitter turtle]

well, melee vet is pretty strong, so you're not out of luck

but uh

the best melees are very

stat dependent

aka u need good rolls aka level 30

lol

[serene sage]

I think that's precisely what they meant

[junior needle]

Yes, that's why I said that

[serene sage]

pre30 is hell

[bitter turtle]

the folding shovels are alright though

to hold you over

they kinda do their job regardless at least

[serene sage]

I mean if you know what you are doing and just surf normal heresy/damnation you level up pretty fast

[runic hound]

got me a sick axe, using that rn

[wanton dawn]

You know what ? I am trying bolter in auric

[serene sage]

but that's when you already know what you are doing

[serene sage]

just now you are trying it?

[bitter turtle]

obv the powersword is good too

[wanton dawn]

I will

[serene sage]

im disappointed in you

[bitter turtle]

but needs a few blessings to really shine

[serene sage]

I thought you were my friend

[runic hound]

this is my 3rd class, got zealot and ogryn to lvl 30 (so im really used to rushing in head first with a melee option)

[wanton dawn]

Here the thing: i think it will be worse than my other build

[junior needle]

If it's a caxe without brutal, I got some bad news

[bitter turtle]

so

if that's h ow you play

honestly

try to see how you feel after you get shout

i can see how it feels bad if you're trying to play melee vet with exec stance

LOL

[serene sage]

leveling ogryn was hell for me. that class feels so boring to play.

[bitter turtle]

so just try to get shout, and then after that, try to path into wep specialist

[serene sage]

what other build?

shotty?

[bitter turtle]

wep specialist + its node above give 25% attackspeed and passive reloading into your gun off melee kills

[wanton dawn]

All the rest

[serene sage]

lol

[bitter turtle]

voice of command (shout) gives you really strong stagger and tankiness at melee range

[agile forge]

You have to RP. Not boring then :)

[bitter turtle]

its like a uh

more defensive chastise the wicked on zealot

[serene sage]

no thank you, im far too erudite to play stupid :^)

[bitter turtle]

no offensive buffs (unlike ctw) but overheal toughness and bigger stagger

[agile forge]

Ogryn is biggest so ogryn is smarterest!

[runic hound]

that was what i was feeling at first too, but he has plenty of good options:
-ripperguns are pretty fun for a gunner along with fast and slow MG
-for melee, shield with heavy spam is the best probably, but the first and the 3rd bashers are great along with the CC knife

you can either use bullrush to be a clutch machine and keep the line and unf-ck bad situations or be a gunner and delete everything

i didnt really use shout as that requires not braindead teammates - a luxury i lack

[agile forge]

Stand to raisin

[runic hound]

it does well enough, but i do have brutal unlocked

[serene sage]

I just hate how big my model is

and how inaccurate I shoot

[eternal venture]

Shout actually helps your braindead teammates

trust

[junior needle]

You'll see when you get into higher difficulties

[eternal venture]

it turns thumb-twiddlers into helpful damage sponges

[runic hound]

im on diff 3

[junior needle]

You're still in weenie hut jr

Heresy is weenie hut sr

[runic hound]

i dont 💀

[serene sage]

why am I still here I haven't played in like a week or so

[bitter turtle]

by the way

Fox

[serene sage]

yes dear

[bitter turtle]

what mod do you use to show what weapon you're using on scoreboard

also wut have you been doing then

[agile forge]

Damnation is also a weenie hut, but it's spicy weenies

[serene sage]

I don't have weapon on

[bitter turtle]

oh

i thought you did

damnit

[junior needle]

loadout monitor

[serene sage]

it looks too funky and i need clean A E S T H E T I CS

[runic hound]

why do all the IAGs have so goddam weird recoil?

atleast the ones i tried felt really weird

[bitter turtle]

ty

[muted knot]

Most of their recoil is at the start of your burst

After that it settles pretty well

[junior needle]

Fatshark doesn't know how to make good gunplay so the recoil is extra wonky for no reason

[runic hound]

it just feels so cheap and gimmicky

[runic hound]

facts

[serene sage]

lots of Chaos Gate Daemonhunters, trying to finish this campagin
then Imma play more MH/try hard in it so I can play w you and not embarrass myself

[bitter turtle]

let me know when you play again

[serene sage]

admittedly i don't play a lot of shooters but the gunplay in the game feels fantastic to me

[bitter turtle]

no need to be shy 😔

[serene sage]

says you

[muted knot]

Mhw ?

[bitter turtle]

ye

[serene sage]

si

except for supression which is a weird dumb needless mechanic

[junior needle]

It's not egregiously bad but you can tell it's an uninformed attempt at making recoil compared to other games that have done it better

[serene sage]

it exists solely to make some gun waste points on Determined and little else

[junior needle]

It could've been worse

[bitter turtle]

the only other remotely "modern" shooters I have played extensively are tf2 and ||gundam evolution|| so I have no frame of reference

[serene sage]

oh yeah I play Remnant 2 a bit also

[serene sage]

for some reasons, Remant 2 and Darktide feels really similar

[junior needle]

The prime example is that where the gun is shooting and where the sights are do not line up

[inland vessel]

~~they both run bad so there's that in common ~~

[serene sage]

oh yeah the sights are weird, especially with weapon mods

[serene sage]

I fucking hate how true this is

[inland vessel]

😔

[serene sage]

then again im blessed enough to play them at like 1440p 100+ frames

[inland vessel]

Maybe it's the dodging

Playing battlefield after Darktide and I'm constantly trying to side dodge

[serene sage]

but like the performance is abysmal

[serene sage]

the stationary dodge on both games feels eerily similar

also the gun/melee hybrid style

though remnant is def a lot more gun heavy

[inland vessel]

Recently got a killer deal on a 7800x3D and Darktide still booted saying "you may be CPU limited with your setup"

[serene sage]

peasant, you will need a CPU 2 generations down the road

to play this game

[inland vessel]

You right

[serene sage]

what's your GPU though

[inland vessel]

3080 12gb

[serene sage]

peasant, where is your 5090 20GB?

[inland vessel]

I'm definitely GPU limited when I turn up settings though

[serene sage]

(yes it's 20GB VRAM cause NVIDIA do be that way)

but yeah it's absurd how badly those two runs.
DLSS saves lives though

[inland vessel]

Fortunately I'm now always in the 90-120fps range so VRR smooths things out a ton

[serene sage]

and FSR 2 (or 3) when it comes out

[inland vessel]

Tried the FSR 3 mod that replaces dlss 3 and it works, but the UI breaks. I'm hoping when they add it officially that'll fix it

Honestly I was kinda impressed by the mod though

[serene sage]

im on AMD and im not trying FSR3 yet

Fluid Motion something something gives me like a few more frames though I barely notice any difference
it's just higher frame numbers make brain less unhappy i guess

[inland vessel]

It made a big difference in the remnant 2 DLC where I was getting like 58 and shot up to like 119

Visually it looked way less choppy

[serene sage]

that's nice! assuming you are talking about DLSS right?

[inland vessel]

FSR 3 mod

[serene sage]

ohh

hmm

[inland vessel]

Big papa Nvidia doesn't let poor 3080 peasants use their frame gen

[serene sage]

actually?

[inland vessel]

Yeah, it's 40 series only

[serene sage]

I was under the assumption that 30 series has that

My bad

[inland vessel]

It's wild right?

You'd think

[serene sage]

Nvidia do be that way huh

like my fucking 7 year old RX580 gets FMF and FSR support

it runs like shit

granted

but like technically it can use those things

then again im just waiting for 4090 on the used market haha

eventually it will hit like $500 used and ill grab it

[inland vessel]

Swinging for the fences with a 4090!

💪

Big n strong

(and big)

[serene sage]

by that time we will have 6090 probably

and very very hot

[icy orchid]

Is sunder not good on powersword?

[hollow ibex]

unless you're doing AI stuff, AMD is just so much better value for money in most cases

[serene sage]

it's fine!

either PC4/BM or PC4/Sunder will work

[hollow ibex]

yeah sunder is one of the meta options

[icy orchid]

I should probably just use PC3 isntead for this right?

[inland vessel]

I keep almost going AMD. Had an RX 480 lined up but ended up getting a 1070 on sale. Then I was looking at the 6900xt but again, the 3080 went on sale around that time for a little less. But one day

[serene sage]

what do you mean?

[icy orchid]

for replacing wrath

[serene sage]

yeah PC3 is fine!

but PC4 will make your life a lot better so keep looking out for it

[tiny summit]

You're using a PS. It's for energizing.

[icy orchid]

First or second?

[serene sage]

oh second, easily

[tiny summit]

2nd

[serene sage]

first doesn't hold a candle against 2nd haha

[hollow ibex]

neither, join ps6 masterrace

[serene sage]

yeah but life do be like that

[fossil nymph]

Shovel

[tiny summit]

Break the PS chains

[fossil nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/sawing-through-the-chain-cary-elwes-lawrence-gordon-saw-trying-to-get-free-gif-21902107

[serene sage]

im not a fanboy but im budget conscious, don't care much about the bells and whistles so it has been AMD for me for a while

[muted knot]

[wanton dawn]

Damn i actually missed playing bolter

[serene sage]

You don't you liar

You said it's worse than everything else

I don't trust you no more

[crude fiber]

I was sleeping on the new shovels, got a mk6 I think it was that can 1 shot crushers

[bitter turtle]

they both can

its the same damage profile

just different movesets

also

i just did a taxe IV only auric mael run

[serene sage]

Gross

[eternal venture]

nice

[civic knot]

Are the helbores any good?

[terse idol]

Yee,

[civic knot]

which is better, 1 or 2?

[terse idol]

Mostly memes because the melee on the bayonetts are insane

Except the mk3

Uh

I dunno

[bitter turtle]

1 has easier bbreakpoints

2 has faster charge

2 cant oneshot all gunners unless you run unarmored/flak specifically

1 can be more flexible

2's faster charge makes it really good for sniping out random threats if you're doing a melee heavy playstyle though

[fathom grail]

Which one makes the “uwu” sound

[crude fiber]

None I dont think lol

[late hatch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/245502524302295041/1203100826068058122/temp-antaxblade.jpg?ex=65cfddf5&is=65bd68f5&hm=3b035040ed21c793df673214cff6f976d2d7ab08ace95d049448b09cf317c382&

[ebon umbra]

i wish we could get a second melee instead of a ranged weapon.

[hollow ibex]

sorry that's an ogryn privilege

[bitter turtle]

what's the edge of kant laspistol over the fast one

feels like i dont oneshot anything

that i wouldnt on the fast one

[hollow ibex]

Stagger and that's about it

Idk if it hits any important breakpoints

That stagger is nice though

[frank ether]

it has a little better carapace profile

hits some bps more consistently

[celest vine]

Im so glad PS5 players dont have this game

Id hate to listen to the ceiling chirp

[bitter turtle]

ig its just preference?

[hollow ibex]

Yeah

From what I can tell the performance is quite similar

[bitter turtle]

hm

i guess if i run

15 stack MF

i can oneshot crit flamers

[tall torrent]

Mk10 has better carapace dmg and breakpoints

[umbral granite]

Is the slug shotgun good on vet?

I ask because i've been using too much plasma gun and want to try something else

[thick flint]

man wtf happened to veteran

they butchered my boy

power sword got gutted

og vet was just built too good i guess

whats the point of power cycler 1, 2?

do those even exist?

[umbral granite]

Well, considering that level 3 gives you a single extra swing and level 4 gives you 2, it's unlikely.

[thick flint]

makes you wonder tho

[hollow ibex]

yup

[thick flint]

why not just have 1 and 2 then

[hollow ibex]

to make you grind more

[umbral granite]

You Do realize how good power cycler is right?... it lets you take extra swings while the blade is charged.

That's like asking why the "Surge" blessing for psyker's voidstrike staff is a level 4 exclusive.

[thick flint]

i mean it just makes the weapon usable

its incredibly dumb how rare it is

just make it a lvl 1 and 2

you're already sacrificing a blessing slot just to make a weapon viable

[umbral granite]

"Sacrificing a blessing slot to make a weapon viable"....

I feel like we may have diferent definitions on what makes a weapon good or viable...

[tall torrent]

Well power sword is more than just “viable” so

[thick flint]

if you've used the weapon before it was nerfed you should know

[white minnow]

i mean, if you're comparing it to infinite cleave and 3-target damage distrib...

i also don't see a point in comparing it to where it was a year ago

and vet has proper melee synergy now

[serene sage]

Where patch

[tall torrent]

Even compared against the current meta power sword is still very strong

[white minnow]

i would easily rate the psword in one of the top melee weapons currently

[serene sage]

Arco can you work on the patch?

[white minnow]

i wish 🥲

[thick flint]

all im saying is i feel like the current implementation of power cycler is pretty annoying

[white minnow]

i would nerf every class except psyker to make everyone except me suffer

[umbral granite]

I've never really used the power sword, as almost all of the ones I've rolled have had less a than 60% damage stat... but i've seen it do insane work.

[white minnow]

you said some other things but let's leave it at that then

yeah i don't like the crafting system and they put themselves in a spot where they can't really balance power cycler

without straight up changing what it does or reworking the psword

[soft blade]

psyker more like stinker

[white minnow]

i cri

[soft blade]

https://tenor.com/view/explosion-mushroom-cloud-atomic-bomb-bomb-boom-gif-4464831

[white minnow]

gib psword battery mechanic

[umbral granite]

Again, I havent really bothered with the power sword on account of not being able to roll one with decent base stats, and melk refuses to sell me one with a damage stat above 60%

[thick flint]

the classes still feel a bit unbalanced

ogryn is just better

smarter

faster

[serene sage]

Stinky class

Ew

[white minnow]

if ogryn is your baseline then a lot of things are worse

every time this comes up people use ogryn as the comparison and boy i wonder why

[serene sage]

Ogryn guns can't aim

Big ass spread

Gross

[soft blade]

ogryn more like boring

[wise fossil]

Part of the problem is most of the gungryn skills suck

While most of the other two trees are incredible

[serene sage]

Kinda true but Ogryn guns are good

So you take the gun and you go the other 2 routes

[umbral granite]

Doesn't Ogryn have a "gigachad" face for a character creation...

[wise fossil]

The guns are pretty good yeah. Just not precise

[serene sage]

Oh yeah I hate em

I hate imprecise guns

[bitter turtle]

pcycler is annoying but psword is still basically the best melee weapon in the game

[tall torrent]

Yes

[wise fossil]

Grenade gauntlet is precise but the reload is so slow you can finish paying off your mortgage before it's over

[serene sage]

I wouldn't call it "precision" lol

It launches a fucking grenade

Come on

[thick flint]

i think ogryn weapons are precise enough

[wise fossil]

Eh the radius on the explosion is pretty small. Compared to the rumbler it's precise

[serene sage]

We need pinpoint accurate or else we aren't playing

[final locust]

its unrelated but can someone tell me what currency this is

from UK but gamepass gives me this

[thick flint]

shekel

[final locust]

I wanna say rupee but the exchange rates dont add up bro

[thick flint]

rupee

[final locust]

yeah it was

[tall torrent]

I have a hilarious amount of tac axes on my veteran that I don’t know what to do with

[elder fiber]

🚽

[serene sage]

Sell them all

[umbral granite]

"Prescise enough"

My sibling in service of the Emperor, the Ogryn's ranged weapons mostly occupy a "Destroy everything in that general direction" niche.

The weapons are either some form of oversized shotgun, a heavy machinegun, or a karking grenade launcher... if darktide had destructible map physics other than barrels, i am reasonably sure ogryn would destroy not just the heratics, but the wall behind them, and the next 3 walls behind that.

[tall torrent]

I still have 2 blessings yet to be collected on tac axes, shred IV & decimator IV

[tall torrent]

If DT had destructible map physics Ogryn bull rush and Veteran plasma shots should straight up just break walls down

Zealot’s thunder hammer too

[hearty panther]

and knife punch

[frank basin]

https://tenor.com/view/dr-strange-wth-wtf-you-have-ruined-me-gif-22683118

[umbral granite]

The point i was trying to make is that Ogryn's weapons arent "Prescise" they're "Fire and forget"

[sonic marlin]

finesse and first target too low?

[hollow ibex]

yeah finesse is not a dump stat

[frank ether]

I think you need like a godroll if you want to one shot bruisers with rashad

without investing in talents

[agile forge]

Veteran needs it to be perfect, yours is a little worse than mine and mine doesn't work (at least not in a non-melee boosted set)

Brutal Momentum is brutally binary

It makes the weapon either good or shit, entirely dependent on its stat roll

[terse idol]

That iss a good point

[bitter turtle]

yes. way too low

first target is one of the most important stats btw

makes a huge difference in dmg

[terse idol]

If you want to build A rashad, you need minimum 70 in all damage stats

Plus supporting talents

cause that's what I'm working with

[bitter turtle]

with the way bromentum works especially, only the 1st target you hit really matters

[terse idol]

And Unarmoured, and BM

[bitter turtle]

and 1st target has the biggest influence on dmg on the first target

as in, a 0 first target 80 dmg weapon does less than 80 first target 0 damage

(to the first target)

[final stone]

there's no left/right spread pattern on the grenade

and it fires in a very predictable arc

once you get the arc into your muscle memory thte thing is practically a sniper rifle

it's excellent for noping snipers and shutting up gunners/reapers

[hearty panther]

you can also bank the grenade up off the floor to nutshot a heretic

[final stone]

heh speaking of

[hollow ibex]

shame about the perk

[sonic marlin]

damn looks cool with the mod

[final stone]

ha

right on the nose too

[sonic marlin]

any bolter players

[sonic marlin]

surgical?

[slow spade]

"6 second reload" man...

[slow spade]

0.25 sec per stack

builds up quick

[hearty panther]

learn 2 reload cancel

[slow spade]

still pain

[dire olive]

Man I miss the auto reload executioner stance variant

[sonic marlin]

i wanted to go pinning fire instead of insp barrage

[final stone]

imo insp barrage is a bit of a tough sell for me

[sonic marlin]

i like how you made it smaller and i made it much bigger lmao

this was my plasma

https://gifdb.com/images/high/men-in-black-noisy-cricket-dci6y4g5pm8hvimv.gif

[final stone]

if I fould get my hands on a non cosmetic bolt pistol I'd use it almost exclusively

plasma also

[dire olive]

Same

I love handcannons

[sonic marlin]

mm yeah sucks even now that you can make it look like a pistol, you can't chane the animations

[final stone]

oh I got bigguns too don't you fret

[sonic marlin]

guy just ends up having his other arm in the air

[final stone]

yeah, it's therte, but it's not too too terrible

[final stone]

you see ivan

[sonic marlin]

can't wait to use this finally

[final stone]

when shoot like this you always shoot the accurate

for fear of blowing hand off

[frank ether]

gone too soon 😔

[rain badger]

Played bolter today after a long time shelving it. Made me want to die.

[untold mulch]

I only can really use it in Heresy

But most by skill issue, I just can't get used to the slow handling which is kinda the thing

[deft mulch]

is Wrath, Savage Sweep, or Perfect strike better for the Eviscerator? Or are all 3 not worth using

[sonic marlin]

Made a small change

[deft mulch]

Also trying to decide between Rampage or the one that builds crit

wrong class oops

[sonic marlin]

just realizing how good of a roll this was when I started playing lol

[frank ether]

bolter is still very strong just isnt as braindead as plasma

[grim widget]

is this thing even worth it considering the finesse and it not being mkiii?

[frank ether]

I dont think it will matter at all

[fossil nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/owm-midget-running-gif-25005046

[frank ether]

Its better than my psword

stats wise

I use like a 350 rated one

[sonic marlin]

u joking?

[old quail]

if there is a vet named bunger here ur a real one homie keep it up

[wicked gate]

they have bolt pistols now

what

[final locust]

what the heck

i mean

the scion helmet is cool

but damn

1400

not even a full armour set

[wicked gate]

i got it lol

[final locust]

i probably will as well

[final locust]

did they ever compensate people who bought the better edition of the game on PC

because console players got rediculous aquilas

[wicked gate]

nope

[gaunt hinge]

https://europe1.discourse-cdn.com/business20/uploads/fatshark/original/3X/0/7/0774de9e8a3802405ddf7d788931a59ec46716ae.jpeg

[final locust]

oh damn

forgot about that

imo the veteran set was so crap

[untold mulch]

Agreed

[frank ether]

my dumbass thought we'd get a plasma skin

for some reason

[serene sage]

gentlemen

it appears that Helldivers 2 reviews are good

we just need user reviews now

[frank ether]

there was some murmur about it having some ancient DRM

imma wait befurr buying

[serene sage]

i understand the sentiment

but that ship has sailed a long time ago for me

when league eventually embraces Vanguard

I have but one option

[rain badger]

The hit reg coupled with shid from ass ergonomics just kill me. I aim at a guy just for the round to disappear or my gun to not settle. Infuriating really. It needs QoL buffs

[frank ether]

easy, I don't play league

[civic knot]

Dont buy? guessing it's bad cause of first target. In that case, buy for thrust 4?

[tiny summit]

Please not run like ass

[sonic marlin]

i need that pinning fire off of it, tempted to buy and surrender it

[frank ether]

it feels fine with my build

hitreg can't really do anything about

but sway and suppression you can fix with talents

[civic knot]

Do you have PF 3?

[sonic marlin]

kinda same as mine

[civic knot]

if you do, dont buy. That difference dmg difference is negligable, would safe melkbucks

[sonic marlin]

no, highest ive seen was 2 i think

[civic knot]

[civic knot]

then buy, you have lots of melk bucks

thats my recommendation at least

[sonic marlin]

got 24 hrs, ill try to get it the other way first

[sonic marlin]

kek

wait i already got this shit

rank 3

oh well

kinda want it maxed

[rain badger]

Yeah, I don’t run suppression talents, maybe need to with bolter

[dire lagoon]

I thought melk is just a t4 blessing gatcha system 🤷‍♂️

[placid portal]

Oh no

The Zealot has doomed us all

[sonic marlin]

idk whats the best choice, carapace, elites or maniac?

[odd sparrow]

depends on which breakpoints you need to hit. 1 tapping flak gunners and flamers in the head is a real important BP to hit

[sonic marlin]

ill test it out later

[sleek garden]

[placid portal]

[bitter turtle]

mk6 is the better one

so

[bitter turtle]

save yourself the money and download loadout mod to test things

literally should be something in the base game already

tbh

[grim frigate]

Quick question, what's the best damage perks for Plasma gun? I've got an 80% damage roll one with 2 garbage perks to reroll

[midnight totem]

Blaze away

Gets hot

Oh perks

Uh, any of them really

Carapace, unarmored, maniac, flak

Elite

[grim frigate]

Nice, good to know

[midnight totem]

how much damage you got on it?

I think there are some breakpoints you can meet

like, I can run unarmored and elite to headshot dredg gunners without perks or crits kicking in

but I also don't use any ranged damage skills

[grim frigate]

I run more of a support vet build, but I do have Bring It Down and Longshot for damage skills, and it's got 80% damage/78% Stopping Power

[sonic marlin]

that stuff safe?

[grim frigate]

I'll probably go Maniac and then either Flak or Unarmoured after some testing, since Ogryns aren't much of an issue if I can get 'em at ranged (and if they're close that's what the Krak Grenades are for)

[umbral scaffold]

wtf that is awesome

is that in game

rn

[sonic marlin]

its a mod

[grim frigate]

Yeah, Maniac/Flak seems to be the way to go - I need to get a crit headshot to take out Dreg Gunners, but Flak gives me a breakpoint on Maulers, Scab Gunners and Scab Ragers

[umbral scaffold]

awwweeee

that is really cool though

[sonic marlin]

you can get it too lol, just install it

these 2

[torn moat]

Flak is kinda a waste on Plasma. I'd suggest replacing it with Unyielding or Carapace.

Unyielding makes Plasma disgusting against Monst. Carapace will let you 2 body shot Crushers on Damnation (assuming 80% stopping power & 80% damage)

[placid portal]

or Unarmored for that juicy dreg gooner 1 tap bp

[torn moat]

Unarmored is also a valid choice.

Flak doesn't really hit any new breakpoints though. So it's kinda a wasted perk in that sense.

[grim frigate]

It does give me Maulers and Ragers without needing to crit, and lets me one-shot Scunners

Those are good points though, though honestly I never worry much about Crushers/Monstrosities since I run Krak grenades, and tend to play with a buddy who runs Ogryn with the Mk.XIX shovel, so he just devours Monstrosities

[bitter turtle]

yes

[torn moat]

I think Plasma one shots scab gunners without it.

[grim frigate]

1118 damage on a weakpoint hit, need a charged shot to one-shot them

[torn moat]

Oh. You're using charge shots.

[placid portal]

gotta stack blaze away iirc

[torn moat]

Eh. I don't really ever use charge shot breakpoints.

[sonic marlin]

you never use charged shots

its a waste of dps and ammo

[torn moat]

and heat

[hollow ibex]

Maybe for two shotting crushers

But otherwise yeah

[placid portal]

dunno if charged shots would have a faster ttk for cost of ammo

i'd say that's a fair tradeoff

[torn moat]

You can fire 3 shots for less ammo/heat and do more damage than you would with a charge shot.

[placid portal]

heat not much of a problem since uncharged can't self detonate

[sonic marlin]

People don't charge for a while now

[grim frigate]

I mean, I was just explaining the breakpoints as I'm seeing 'em, I only do charged shots if I know it'll be useful

[torn moat]

Heats still a problem in the sense it limits your sustained dps.

[grim frigate]

if I tag then the uncharged one-shots (I'm running middle tree), but I forget to do that a lot

[placid portal]

Kinda not much since you just gotta kill a few elites and get back to hacking away no?

[sonic marlin]

can't find it on nexus

[torn moat]

Think of it like this, you have 12 Maulers on screen. You can't line them all up for pierce shots. So you have to spam shoot them one by one... Charge 1-shotting them takes too long. Hip firing takes triple the shots, but uses less ammo, lets you move faster, and let's you fire more.

[grim frigate]

Yes, I am aware

[torn moat]

Charge shots, is generally not worth it unless you are picking off a loan crusher or something... In that regards, it's much better to focus on your hipfire breakpoints.

Since you'll be hip firing 95% of the time.

[placid portal]

not like you can ADS

[junior needle]

loan crusher
Why would I want to pick off the debt forgiver?

[bitter turtle]

its in the discord

[sonic marlin]

got it

[broken shore]

What’s the best grenade for an infiltrator build?

[hollow ibex]

Frag.

[torn moat]

Is it worth replacing the Plasma on the right, with the one on the left? (I still have 2 rerolls for the left one)

[hollow ibex]

Always frag

[torn moat]

I'd have to replace both perks. So I'd be stuck with Gets Hot 3 instead 4.

[grim frigate]

Well, if Gets Hot behaves and I get the crit, I can one-shot tagged Crushers with a charged shot without Carapace bonus, that's neat
...but knowing my luck and crits this'll never save my life

[sonic marlin]

why would you do that

you don't want Volatile

[torn moat]

I thought Volatile was one of the 4 Blessings people say is good for Plasma?

[sonic marlin]

No? tf

we just discussed how charging is something you don't do anymore

[torn moat]

Doesn't it still effect hip fire's firerate?

[sonic marlin]

The blessings you want are Gets hot, blaze away or gloryhunter

don't know, still not worth it

[torn moat]

Alright. Good to know.

[sonic marlin]

this was mine but i'd switch to blaze away instead of gloryhunter

[torn moat]

If I had one more reroll, I'd switch to Blaze Away.

[grim frigate]

Shattering Impact is probably the best of the 'not great' blessings, since britleness debuffs are useful for team mates

[torn moat]

Eh... It only really sees use against Monst.

Since most other enemies you'll finish with a second hit regardless of brittleness stacks.

Brittleness stacks are better for higher rate of fire (lower daamge per bullet) weapons.

Or the Boltgun... because boltgun

[grim frigate]

hence 'useful for team mates', they can kill the thing without you needing to fire a second shot

It's fun debuffing an enemy with enough brittleness that someone with an auto-pistol starts shredding through Crushers like copypaper

[elder fiber]

no thanks I need to kill the crusher before the other guy's krak grenade blows it up

[abstract ferry]

What's the better blessing to go with sunder on mk6 psword, brutal momentum or power cycler

[grim frigate]

Fuck, it's true but it hurts

[abstract ferry]

I got a brick

[fervent quiver]

power cycler 2

[sonic marlin]

tf is sunder

why do you have mk 3

[sonic marlin]

brick

like

what do you wanna do here

perks ass blessings ass

[fervent quiver]

I was farming power cycler

yes

[abstract ferry]

I wanna try it out at least lol

Im just doing some docket farming atm

[sonic marlin]

it will be bad and you'll just say 'omg its bad i will never use it'

[abstract ferry]

No, I wont?

[sonic marlin]

and its actually good when built well

[abstract ferry]

its a different moveset to the mk3

that I wanna try

[sonic marlin]

there's a mod that lets you create items in meat grinder

go for that

[hollow ibex]

useable if you replace wrath with PC4

though yeah, it's bricked

but at least you can yoink sunder off it

when you get a better one

[abstract ferry]

I got pc4, what is the least shite of the two perks

[hollow ibex]

block efficiency

i mean it's shit

but crit damage does like nothing

and ps6 has innate bonus block efficiency

[abstract ferry]

Im assuming cara instead?

[wise fossil]

Block efficiency is better. Take off crit damage