veteran-class

[gusty bison]

Swap tap swap

[umbral scaffold]

Darktide pvp I wanna ruin some runs as a gunner

[gusty bison]

Eh

U mean bomber

Single gunners are annoying but not that scary cos of all the immunities u can get

[umbral scaffold]

If let’s say, we get Darktide PvP and the scabs get the same movement as players normally have, it’ll get interesting for sure

[gusty bison]

And Id doubt ur aim can get any better than the AI.

[gusty bison]

Until the vet with infinite grenades just says "No"

[umbral scaffold]

I doubt that fart shart could handle such a thing

[gusty bison]

The players in DT are hilariously stacked to the gills

Which is fine cos the enemies get spammed in ludicrous numbers

[proven oasis]

lets see if we can get an update first XD

[gusty bison]

But like pick any enemy not a boss

Every class has a way to one or two tap them

[umbral scaffold]

I wanna be a scab gunner badly dough

That volley gun

[gusty bison]

Having to stand still to fire, mediocre dps and high spread?

No ty

We already have better volleygun at home

Braced autogun

[proven oasis]

i wanna play trapper

ehehehehe

[umbral scaffold]

Do any enemies move and shoot?

At the same time

[gusty bison]

Nope

Well

Bosses

[umbral scaffold]

Yea I think that’s just an AI thing

[balmy flume]

Stalkers?

[gusty bison]

Oh ye stalkers advance and fire

[umbral scaffold]

Oh yea stalkers for sure

[gusty bison]

And shotgunners

[umbral scaffold]

Dreg variants as well

Shotgunners don’t take cover I think

They’re pretty ballsy

[gusty bison]

Nope

The gunner very visibly has to brace to shoot though

[umbral scaffold]

I’m built different tho I got this

[bitter turtle]

no reloading though

[gusty bison]

Like every other ranged enemy except specials can move while aiming and sometimes will shoot while aiming

[bitter turtle]

infinite ammo!

[gusty bison]

Helbore moment

But yea ngl the volleygun looks seriously underwhelming

[umbral scaffold]

In the AIs hands

[gusty bison]

AIs are gods with that weapon

Its still ass

[umbral scaffold]

Give me a volley gun and I’ll turn these loyalists into Swiss cheese

[gusty bison]

They have near perfect tracking

[proven oasis]

give me swiss cheese and ill turn it into loyalists

[gusty bison]

Its dps is like

Meh

The knockback nerf means it no longer chain stunlocks

Gunners are scary in packs of 12-20

But lone gunners are well

Not a threat

[umbral scaffold]

The Darktide game philosophy is to intentionally make us feel like we are powerful tho. If it was accurate, our John Doe guardsmen would probably die pretty horribly

We have in game plot armor

[gusty bison]

Darktide game be tabletop accurate

:P

(Mostly cos the tabletop allows stupid shit)

[untold mulch]

I mean, I assume lore wise, our rejects are powerful

the 0.1% of the rejects

[gusty bison]

Hi yes i wanna kill a tank with a lasgun

[untold mulch]

[untold mulch]

In doubt, use more Las

Bigger, or increase quantity is a decision of preference

[umbral scaffold]

True but this is out of pure skill, we are just squishy humans. Well, cept for ogryn

[gusty bison]

9e guard was a meme

Cadian command squad being able to survive 10 sanguinary guard beating them up with no lasting damage

Lel

Clearly the commander had VoC

[untold mulch]

Thats fair

I assume by Seer Psyker implications, we legit have Plot Armor in the sense of a very minimal Emperor intervention

[umbral scaffold]

We embody the trope “badass normal”

[wanton dawn]

Cadian got their plot armor from their planet

[untold mulch]

Fr

[frank basin]

https://tenor.com/view/earth-globe-explode-gif-14366757

[wanton dawn]

Plot armor cannot dillute sadly

[frank basin]

Going sleep then

[umbral scaffold]

Yea and if we are talking tabletop accuracy, the zealots are probably the craziest thing we can play as

[untold mulch]

Don't disagree

my Zealot do be silly

Eviscerator is so mindless lmao

[gusty bison]

10e guard no longer has the silly ludicrousness of 9e thou

Womp

[umbral scaffold]

From my understanding guard is far from meta especially now. Shame cause badass normal is the best trope in any media ever

[gusty bison]

They cant secure objs

Is the main issue

[untold mulch]

Preach

[gusty bison]

They have a lot of guns but guns dont win games

[untold mulch]

YOU AIN'T USING ENOUGH

🗿

[umbral scaffold]

They also butchered all the good guard regiments. Oh but cadia guise!! Shut up ur planet blew up

[umbral scaffold]

Preach

[untold mulch]

Cadia explodes

GW

Cadians are now everywhere

[gusty bison]

Cos 9e has cemented tight urban terrain environments as recommended environments for tt

So like

You can barely shoot further than 12" most of the time

[umbral scaffold]

Shooting and blowing everything up is a pretty good strategy

[gusty bison]

Theres some sightlines but enemies can kinda just avoid them

[umbral scaffold]

And increasing the amount of munitions used is even better

[gusty bison]

And indirect is garbage as usual

[umbral scaffold]

Leveling buildings

To me civilian casualties are just normal casualties

[gusty bison]

Buildings on the tabletop are invulnerable sadly

[untold mulch]

Tau in shambles

[gusty bison]

Tau is fine

Cos tau can fly

[untold mulch]

oh?

OH

Right, Tau went from combined arms army

[umbral scaffold]

I mean irl

[untold mulch]

to, YOU GET A GUNDAM

YOU GET A GUNDAM

EVERYONE GETS A GUNDAM

[gusty bison]

Tbf their tanks fly too

And their infantry can disembark after their transport moves

And their transport also flies

Like tau has more % flying shit than eldar

[untold mulch]

I only played on tabletop simulator, with scions

and it was basically either you won 1-2 turn, or you lost

[gusty bison]

Yea thats guard

Guard kinda has real problems actually playing objs

So they need to blow the enemy up

[umbral scaffold]

How do you set up 40k on tabletop sim I have that game and it sounds pretty cool

[untold mulch]

I played a few years ago, and there is a few workshop addons that let you copy paste your Army from Battlescribe

and add their "sheet" to a token, like a guardsman token

[gusty bison]

Oh also tau gets the ghostkeel, which is a whole nother level of hilarious stronk

[umbral scaffold]

Scions are my particular favorite. Not space marines sure but they have a higher cool factor

[untold mulch]

Human Badass, enough said

[sharp ember]

i used TTS to workshop a killteam when i was dabbling in the rules

[untold mulch]

Yeah, Killteam is more comfy in that mode

[gusty bison]

I dunno what they plan on doing for guard in 10e tbh

Guard kinda has been lost as to their gameplan since start of 9e

Or mid of 8e even

[umbral scaffold]

Fatshark add traitor scions with a new difficulty higher than damnation please

[untold mulch]

Only if I can steal their hotshots

[umbral scaffold]

Traitor guard tho

[untold mulch]

Just a whole lot of bleach

[sharp ember]

so scab gunners who run fast as fuck between cover and hose you down in lasfire

[umbral scaffold]

Yes.

[sharp ember]

with little aiming windup

[gusty bison]

Time to bring grenades

[untold mulch]

also, you telling me there is bolters, power swords and plasma everywhere, but there is no karking Hotshots???

[umbral scaffold]

And they move and fire like scab stalkers

[umbral scaffold]

With carapace btw

[untold mulch]

🗿

[gusty bison]

Rip the iLas

Even more useless

[untold mulch]

Another nerf to las

[gusty bison]

Just iLas

[sharp ember]

fuck it we make them UNYIELDING

[gusty bison]

Helbore doesnt care

[untold mulch]

Right, helbore gives a damn

[gusty bison]

Recon has onslaught

[untold mulch]

and Recon

Why use?

lmao

[umbral scaffold]

Now you’re onto something

[untold mulch]

That or make the helmet Flak or smth

[umbral scaffold]

Nuhuh all carapace

[sharp ember]

anything to detract from flak/maniac dominance

[umbral scaffold]

Only the best will survive

[gusty bison]

Rip the iLas

[untold mulch]

Like is carapace, but not dense enough

[untold mulch]

RIGHT IT HAS SHIT FLAK

FUCK

[gusty bison]

Yep

[untold mulch]

Also I love

that Las has shit Flak modifier

Wasn't flak for solid projectiles

[sharp ember]

primary weapon of most guard regiments btw

[gusty bison]

Nah 40k flak armour has ceramite plate inserts

[umbral scaffold]

Ppl beg for space marines as enemies despite Fatshark saying no to that pretty firmly. Why not scions, pretty sure nothing was mentioned about that plus we recently got a scion helmet

[untold mulch]

Oh tahts fair

SM as boss battle I am okay

Stormtroopers as elite would be nice

Hey or make it a squad

and is a new miniboss?

[gusty bison]

Sentinel

As

Miniboss

[sharp ember]

a miniboss being an elite scab killteam would be rad

[gusty bison]

Plz

[untold mulch]

So instead of Plague Ogryn popping up

Is a Stormtrooper killteam

[untold mulch]

[umbral scaffold]

Make it an entire leman Russ

[sharp ember]

with a sergeant leader who wields a chainsword and will try to lead his boyz

[umbral scaffold]

Dream big

[gusty bison]

We dont have much that can hurt a leman

Thunderhammer and like

[sharp ember]

uncanny knife

[gusty bison]

Thats it?

[umbral scaffold]

Brain burst the crew

[sharp ember]

4 handcannon revolver shots

[gusty bison]

Ya need LoS

[umbral scaffold]

The tank commander will pop his stinky head out sometimes

[sharp ember]

a leman russ attack would probably be a stage hazard gimmick if they seriously designed one

[gusty bison]

Yep

Sentinel is something we can actually take out

[umbral scaffold]

Do you guys think the moebians have dandruff

[sharp ember]

i think with the nurgle plague their whole scalp falls off when they scratch it

[umbral scaffold]

I bet that feels crazy good

[sharp ember]

[frank basin]

He’s a rat-sknitt

[umbral scaffold]

Anyone else think abt the fact we can brutally murder these chaos guys in gory fashion partly cause everyone agrees chaos traitors aren’t even people anymore?

[gusty bison]

No they just arent the main characters

Pretty standard 40k stuff

If u arent the MC in a book u die horribly

[frank basin]

Rip skin inside out

Just like Rick and Morty

[umbral scaffold]

My kills are ramping up to genocide numbers

[gusty bison]

The grey knights routinely get wiped when they arent the MCs for instance

grey knights

[umbral scaffold]

And to think the most humane of those kills were probably decapitations and headshots

[novel merlin]

stealthed vets being able to carry canisters and stuff is nuts

[frank basin]

Crazy

[umbral scaffold]

You make a good point I’m just pointing out we are committing genocide in Darktide

For funsies

[frank basin]

You means we killing groaners?

[umbral scaffold]

And I don’t plan to stop

[umbral scaffold]

Everyone

We are killing them en masse for their religious beliefs

[frank basin]

We just basically like warframe or destiny

[novel merlin]

is it really genocide if they're zombies

[frank basin]

Loot goblins

That’s us

[umbral scaffold]

Not just poxxers but the dregs and scabs as well

I killed around a million people for their religious beliefs

[frank basin]

Dreg is a cult

Scab is military with their own belief

Corrupted one

[umbral scaffold]

Scabs are religious too

[frank basin]

right

[bitter turtle]

ok like

[umbral scaffold]

They all have deeply vested beliefs in their religious systems

[bitter turtle]

i think the imperium are shit tbh

but

tbf

they're not kiling them because they believe in chaos

they're killing them because they're turning everyone into zombies

[frank basin]

Correct

[bitter turtle]

that isnt to say that the imperium doesnt do a lot of killing "just because"

[umbral scaffold]

Both tbf

[novel merlin]

chaos arent people anymore they're just mind controlled or corrupted

[bitter turtle]

but i wouldn't call "nurgle plague spreading cultists" as one of those groups

[novel merlin]

unlike the holy god emperor's children

[frank basin]

Noise marine

[umbral scaffold]

I absolutely would side with the imperium vs chaos but the mindfucking would either be irreversible or maybe I’d just like the violence

[untold mulch]

I love reaching the mission objective, the team knowing I have infiltrate and then they still do the scanner or the cell mid horde, with me vaguely reaching them

LET MEE

[frank basin]

Khorne is eating violence

[bitter turtle]

you're better off asking that "are we the baddies" question to the peaceful societies the imperium purged during GC

not

literal demon plague worshippers

[frank basin]

https://tenor.com/view/baddies-evil-are-we-the-baddies-gif-15999841

[umbral scaffold]

I mean genociding nurgle cultists isn’t a bad thing

[novel merlin]

truth i watched an ogryn go down bc he didnt just let me stealth and -90% aggro that last canister

[umbral scaffold]

Just saying we are genociding them

[novel merlin]

yes

[frank basin]

The Dreg are people who had enough being poor and neglected in under hive

[untold mulch]

pretty much

[bitter turtle]

i think genocide implies an imbalance of power here that is in favor of the imperium

chaos is winning tho

[umbral scaffold]

I think it is the cutthroat who says the traitors aren’t people anymore, hallmark sign of genocide is dehumanization. We have classified them as traitors, scabs and dregs, classification being another sign of genocide

[frank basin]

Water cartel take over clean water make them become Dreg because how normal people being take away their need

[umbral scaffold]

We’re trying to genocide each other

It’s just one big genocide

[bitter turtle]

he also could be saying that because they are mind controlled by demons tbf

[umbral scaffold]

The human species will destroy itself

[bitter turtle]

even the more chill races don't tolerate chaos for obv reasons

[umbral scaffold]

He is a soldier of a fascist empire. Soldiers even normally dehumanize the enemy, fascists teach this as doctrine to everyone

[bitter turtle]

there is no nation on earth that teaches their soldiers to think of the enemy as human

there is more nuance to what fascism is than that

[frank basin]

Roughneck told ogryn “don’t go feel kinship with them”

[bitter turtle]

that isnt to say that the imperium isn't a fascist/totalitarian empire, but it has a lot more to do with literally everything else they do except fighting chaos tbh

and orks/tyranid, ig

[frank basin]

Everyone scare death, they go with imperium live miserable

[bitter turtle]

lol

[novel merlin]

the imperium sucks so good

[frank basin]

That’s why I pick Farsight Enclaves

[umbral scaffold]

Yes this is what I mean

[bitter turtle]

in regards to chaos, the sin of the imperium isnt tha they fight chaos

its that they create the conditions that lead to chaos winning in the first place

and continue to do it

roboot gillyman said it himself in one book

something like

what's the point of telling people not to fall to chaos because damnation when they already live in hell every day

[umbral scaffold]

Whorehammer is so cool guys love the chat

Warehammer

[placid portal]

[frank basin]

What

[umbral scaffold]

I don’t feel particularly bad about the apocalyptic body count I have, just pointing it out

[placid portal]

🤔

[bitter turtle]

😔

[placid portal]

you commited warcrimes in 1989?

[umbral scaffold]

If they didnt want to die shouldn’t have worshipped the god of death

[placid portal]

I know I sure had my time in 2009

[umbral scaffold]

Just sayin

[placid portal]

[umbral scaffold]

I’d sleep like a baby knowing I’ve killed millions of people if they were just nurgle cultists

Like I’d have a totally clean conscience if it was irl

[frank basin]

We kill things like Starship Troopers

[placid portal]

ay man a few thousand Heretic dead keeps the heresy away for the day

[sharp ember]

☝️ 🤓 technically nurgle controls both death and undeat- 💥

[bitter turtle]

the real winning play is to join the tau or something instead

[umbral scaffold]

Undeath is even more foul than death itself

[placid portal]

THEM KNOWING CHAOS MEANS PURGING

undeath is just necromancy

[bitter turtle]

at least if they randomly purge you for creating a warp god, your life will probably be less shitty before that point

[placid portal]

So still death

[umbral scaffold]

No thank you, I’m xenophobic

I mean towards space aliens

[placid portal]

Can't be xenophobic if there's only 1 race

[umbral scaffold]

Not like aliens from Mexico

I’m xenophobic not a bigot

[bitter turtle]

"im not racist I like mexicans" 🤔

[umbral scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/daredevil-daredevil-dog-tough-dog-red-mask-dog-gif-23418245

Squad up or answer to me.

[sharp ember]

the only race that matters is the human race

[frank basin]

Race superiority

[umbral scaffold]

The world would be a much grimmer place without mesicans cause I wouldn’t be in that world

[thick wolf]

another melk thing

and the two perks that look appealing to a knife

[placid portal]

Prefer backstab

https://tenor.com/view/backstab-gif-19810743

[dusty sluice]

yay its unbrickable

[finite imp]

For crowds the new knife is your boy

For crowds the new knife is what you want

[devout comet]

Both knifes are great

[finite imp]

Sorry I just woke up

[devout comet]

Wake up faster

[finite imp]

Need cocaine

Anyhow generally for knives they're better at killing big armored targets. So perks should be something like
Maniac
Flak
Unyielding
Carapace
For blessings it's not even an opinion
Uncanny is required
The 2nd blessing is the only thing worth discussing

Do you have serrated? If so run mercy killer

If not I'd say executor is good

Want crits? Run riposte

2nd knife has slightly better crowd heavies

First knife has NOTHING but heavy stabs which is great for armor

That is not to say you can't fight armor with the nu knife

The block strike is a stab and 2nd heavy is too

All heavies with the knife have decent pierce. But the 3 heavies frome knife 1, the 2nd heavy from knife 2, and the block strike from knife 2 as well as the punch followup do good armor damage

I know all that and I've never even looked at their damage tables. That's literally just from being obsessed with knives

Generally for easier combi control and one on one fighting the 1st knife is better but they aren't hugely different enough for it to make an enormous difference

But for chaff the new knifes combos shine. Open with a heavy 1 in all cases and combo back into heavy one as much as possible. Watch heads literally explode from the damage

[bitter turtle]

u forgot precog

idk about executor

its pretty

unreliable

also i think the biggest weakness of new knife is u cant punch stab repeatedly

you need to do a move inbetween the special acction stab

special action stab is the fastest way to follow up a 2nd heavy

for oldknife

[thick wolf]

jfc melk what the hell is that stability on the helbore

[bitter turtle]

stability is pretty throwaway on hb

so that's actually good

albeit the uh

everything else is trash

[finite imp]

Throw it away

It's not even worth harvesting the blessing

[untold mulch]

I would have liked if high stability on Lucius at least let you hipfire somewhat accurately

[thick wolf]

the only thing I bought from him is the devil claw sword

[tiny summit]

Like if there ever was a dump stat. It'd be stability on a helbore

[gusty bison]

And ammo

[placid portal]

ammo would be mixed if you don't run shocktrooper(which you should)

[sharp ember]

been running my 0 stability bolter

[gusty bison]

Oh this is gonna be a fun tale

[placid portal]

Good heavens

[thick wolf]

let me guess

[placid portal]

how tf do you get 0% stability

[thick wolf]

it jumps so much you're surprised it doesn't hit your face

[placid portal]

from your local melk store????

[sharp ember]

an ungodly brunt roll

[placid portal]

how are people getting these mad stats while I get the most 50% all across the board weapons

[sharp ember]

i’d be doing better if i had pinning fire on it but it’s locked with shattering impact

[gusty bison]

Wom

[sharp ember]

and i’ve been going for surgical over pinning fire

[gusty bison]

Ye

How has it been thou

Good enough?

[placid portal]

god I hate the instant sight fixing

ffs game are you gonna play the recoil or not

[sharp ember]

stability is only an issue when i wanna hipfire something at midrange, so basically no problem

[gusty bison]

Woop

[sharp ember]

deadshot eliminates sight sway

but when i DID run it without deadshot

[placid portal]

boltgun got some atrocious stamina

4 stamina base iirc

[gusty bison]

All guns are 4 base

[sharp ember]

you’re gonna have to give me like 5 seconds to aim at the far away sniper in the train yard

[gusty bison]

Ezcept pistols

Which have +1 iirc

[placid portal]

IAGs have 5 stam

[gusty bison]

I stand corrected

[gusty bison]

XD

[placid portal]

pretty sure braced autos have good stamina

[sharp ember]

nobody’s commented on it in pregame lobby yet

[placid portal]

aint nobody complaining if nobody has the balls to go toe to toe against a sniper for 5 seconds middle of a hoarde

[sharp ember]

even got a zealot who’d go Thanks! whenever they pinged something they want dead and i put a crit bolt in its head

[placid portal]

sometimes I think of seeing the Thanks shoutout as a salty remark when we fail

[sharp ember]

i like the awkward silence during wipes

🧍‍♂️🧍‍♂️🧍‍♂️🧍‍♂️

[teal citrus]

real

[gusty bison]

Btw how did the shredder go

[placid portal]

Didn't build one

Still rummaging my inventory to find a Shredder

[gusty bison]

Womp

[finite imp]

Not a lot of pubbies actually check that

[placid portal]

Still have trauma from that one time I did use it

[gusty bison]

Lel

[finite imp]

The ones who do I always see them change their load outs to compliment the group

[placid portal]

legit ran out of ammo

[gusty bison]

:vacuumcleaner:

[placid portal]

even after stealing all the team ammo I had less kill without a doubt

[sharp ember]

what matters is that you staggered those priority heretics with your bean bag rounds

[placid portal]

Prefer if they are dead so I can spend that time killing other things

such is the few problems with smite, you can freeze a hoarde but using any other options would've just cleaned it away

Also my framerates tank and miss my headshot because they are spasming

[sharp ember]

elite packs smite sure

a horde? oh nooo shoves them

[placid portal]

most smite pubbers just hold em

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-sheev-palpatine-unlimited-power-power-force-gif-5073064

which I could see how releasing smite is probs better than holding for hoardes

[coral imp]

Any advice on how to complete the "On Overwatch" penance?

Not taking any melee hits on Malice penance

[agile yew]

Stack up those +25 toughness nodes and the one that gives huge damage reduction when 70%+ toughness, then low intensity Malice with decent team

You can take damage to toughness but it will be super durable

Just avoid dogs and mutants as chaos damage counts too apparently

[coral imp]

Really? Thought any hit would ruin it.

[agile yew]

Nope, just hitpoint/chaos dmg

[thick wolf]

I think if you get corruption damage from dogs, its over

[coral imp]

So, as long as I don't take any health damage it's cool?

[thick wolf]

mutants, better hope he doesn't start slamming you onto the floor or back yourself into a wall

[agile yew]

Yeah, id suggest keybinding dodgeslide if you havent already and spam that when in doubt

As most often it gets ruined when you stand still for 5s shooting something and didnt notice something sneaking behind you for melee hits

[gusty bison]

Dont aim for headshot with shredder

Ur dps is lower when ur aiming for heads

Way WAY lower

[placid portal]

ye I meant for smite

Can't even hit head regardless since its dmg modifier for weakpoints don't do much

[tiny summit]

Just positioning and smart play. Remember blocking is omnidirectional. So when fearing a hit, dodge and block

[agile yew]

And dodgesliding backwards when getting melee rushed, so you can keep shooting em down still

[trim hemlock]

Grawr, are you there?

[placid portal]

When in doubt, it's time to Shout

[coral imp]

You sure about this? Never broke toughness and 0 corruption all game. Still no Penance completion.

[gusty bison]

Maybe

[trim hemlock]

Pop quiz

[gusty bison]

Pop answer

[trim hemlock]

What is the other desirable blessing on Helbro Mk2

[gusty bison]

Uh

Honestly I use surgical

20% crit is 20% crit

[trim hemlock]

Besides Onslaught, which I suppose would be the first

[gusty bison]

Ye

Like

No respite is ok for bosses

Surgical is good for ogryns and bosses too though

Cos +10-20% crit is still crit

Throw in deadshot and reci and u get respectable crit rates

[trim hemlock]

Is Shock Trooper still desirable on that?

For better uptime?

[gusty bison]

If u can fit it sure

[trim hemlock]

I’m basically re-visiting the stupid move speed Helbro build you’ve recommended to me some time ago

As I really fail to excel with any ranged weapon as of recent

And the point of entry into Helbro is just so soothing

• I don’t have to worry about constantly switching weapons

[gusty bison]

Like the Mk 2 is ammo eff enough u dont need shoc trooper

So if u have somewhere else the talent point is better used

Put it there

[trim hemlock]

I suppose I’ll experiment a bit

[thick wolf]

aight is it just me or damnation shock trooper gauntlet felt like a mini-taste of auric

[trim hemlock]

It is roughly equal to what you might expect to face in HiSTG Auric situation, only that “threat” meter will be harder to accumulate in Auric if many things go awry in stressful events.

[thick wolf]

like jesus christ

director has no CHILL

its the karking Parish all over again

[trim hemlock]

It won’t have chill in Auric either - regular board at least acknowledges more easily when things go wrong, so it’s easier to get a pause

In Auric you genuinely have to lose 2-3 people to get a pause

[tacit cedar]

The higher difficulties scare me, I'm already going down like paper on the third

[bitter turtle]

you get used to it with practice

[untold mulch]

At some point you start breakdancing through mutie trains while carrying the Pug idiots

[white minnow]

spam dodges

don't put any brain into dodging besides when you need to let them refresh or when overhead enemies are around

and preferentially dodge sideways against melee

[untold mulch]

I pace my dodges almost like a beat, if I am waist deep in a horde

[civic flame]

Third difficulty level folds me, yet the second is almost a cake walk.

[thick wolf]

the big E gave me another slow lasgun

after suffering through yet another shock troop gauntlet but "low intensity"

[agile forge]

Is there a difference between High Intensity Damnation on the normal board and the same on the Auric board?

[trim hemlock]

There is slower/harder threat accumulation on the Auric board

[golden nacelle]

Which one you guys think better? Also, the second one... what to change?

[trim hemlock]

I.e., it is harder for AI Director to stop throwing things at you, if things go bad

[golden nacelle]

On the first one also, what perk to swap infested to?

[remote glade]

hey guys im new to the game. but i just managed to unlock the boltgun and before i throw my money away for it i wanted to ask wether it is a solid choice. the ammo seems to be kind of a problem

[golden nacelle]

ordo dockets are meaningless

get one, play around with it

It's not meta right now

but you aren't gonna get access to true meta stuff until you start getting access to 360-380 base stat guns

[white minnow]

a fine weapon but it's more of a DMR nowadays

[golden nacelle]

and even then, you gotta roll the correct perks and blessings

Agreed there, you dont want to be mag dumping. if you can get surgical on it theyre very good

not "the best", but still quite good and fun to play

[gusty bison]

Whew both look good

[agile forge]

Take ammo regeneration aura with it, and aim down sights if you're fighting anything smaller than a Mauler so you can fire single shots

[untold mulch]

Yep, bolter is better to take as a DMR who decided to go to STR school

and which has a magdump panic option

[gusty bison]

It really comes down to if 8% elite is enough to push you over the dreg gunner 1 tap and the flak rager 1 tap

[gusty bison]

So before u get to lvl 30 you likely wont be farming for blessings. For now, aim for headshots on bolter

[thick wolf]

the big E gave me a golden bolter

[gusty bison]

BOULDER

Not bad

Not top tier but not bad

4% crit chance is solid

[agile yew]

Was it Malice or higher?

[gusty bison]

Also

Barrels count as melee damage

Feel free to strangle ur teammates

Fall damage too

[tiny summit]

Popping as a psyker at the end of a assassination when your buddy has the "no player deaths" contract

[gusty bison]

Remember bleedthrough is a thing as well

U dont have to break toughness to take melee HP damage

[tiny summit]

Taking damage at anything below 100% toughness can have chip dmg

[gusty bison]

Yep

[coral imp]

Does the exploding enemies count as melee damage?

[gusty bison]

Yes

Fire too

[agile yew]

Yeah stay away from box bursters, dont be the one to push em

[agile forge]

It's a good thing that they don't silently appear on the other side of a door and spawn in the middle of their leap animation right

[gusty bison]

Or have teammates that arent ass

And shoot bursters ur pushing

[agile forge]

[tiny summit]

Enemy fire - burn toughness first change
Barrels - idk, fuck off I guess.

[agile yew]

Just get some lvl 30+ guys who just wipe everything on sight, and it should be pretty smooth ride

[coral imp]

Does it ruin on overwatch ?

[agile yew]

And constantly block and dodge slide

[gusty bison]

Yes

The biggest enemy of on overwatch is bad teammates

Cos they can cause melee damage to u

[golden nacelle]

Should I cannibalize the first one for surgical 4 and slap that onto the second one?

[gusty bison]

By being dumb idiots

[golden nacelle]

any thoughts? then maybe upgrade flak3 to 4, or swap flack3 for maniac4

[gusty bison]

I think u might need flakiac to 1 tap both ragers

Or elitiac

[golden nacelle]

so swap carapace to maniac instead then?

[thick wolf]

aight goddamn

devil's claw fucks

[agile forge]

CLASSIC

[sharp ember]

my gut reaction is swap flak to maniac because i hate disablers and if you’re cool with keeping carapace 4

[gusty bison]

Yep

Check in the psykanium

I assume ur running focus target btw

[agile forge]

The other keystones are probably trash for Bolter I guess?

[gusty bison]

Weapon spec definitely

MF feels too unreliable

Esp cos half the bolter BPs are bodyshots

[sharp ember]

i would only ever consider focus target with bolter

[agile forge]

MF is great but really hard to leverage, and I think Bolter is a weapon that does not leverage it well.

Kicks ass on a CIAG, but that's a very different weapon.

[sharp ember]

i would not use marksman focus with a low capacity gun like bolter

[eternal sable]

unyeilding is not happending 😭

fuckin ammo

[agile forge]

Praise the Emperor

[gusty bison]

Grenade keystone is solid with bolter though

[bitter turtle]

which scoreboard plugin shows the weapons used

[agile forge]

That's the keystoneless build that takes every grenade talent?

I gotta try that. The stuff just above all the keystones is generally pretty bad.

And the keystones all have so many essential modifier nodes

It's too many points on a tree that has far too many nodes on it

[white minnow]

the nodes leading to the keystones are pretty good

[bitter turtle]

not sure what you mean by the nodes above keystone are bad

[gusty bison]

Yep

[white minnow]

part of the problem is that practically half the nodes on the tree are concentrated below

[bitter turtle]

superiority complex and trench fighter are bad? 🤔

[white minnow]

compare that to, say, zealot whose nodes are more distributed

[agile forge]

I have experimented less on Veteran than the other 3 so maybe I'm stupid

[bitter turtle]

its less that the stuff around the keystones are bad

and more that shredder frags are just that good

that its viasble to ditch them for just more nade shit

[gusty bison]

Yep

Also cos vet gets so much regen that nade spamming is legit

[sharp ember]

throwing like 6 frag grenades over the course of 1 huge battle because of demo team and stockpile

[bitter turtle]

nade build is basically 3 extra pts imo

into nades

you already grab demo stockpile normally

so you just pick up demo team and grenadier for the 4th shredder

then you can get tinker if you have the spare points

[crude fiber]

Running smokes on my grenade build to debilitate my team as much as possible

[white minnow]

the holy trinity of tactical awareness, iron will, and demo team

right together in the middle tree

truly one of the talent placements of all time

[eternal sable]

you guys are taking the nade per minute and demo team at once ?

[gusty bison]

If ur going grenade keystone.

Yes.

[white minnow]

i personally don't cuz i'm greeding for other stuff

[eternal sable]

i guess yeah

[gusty bison]

If not no

[bitter turtle]

we know it resets the cd sometimes

which is kinda sucky

but

[white minnow]

but demo team and stockpile is pretty neat

[bitter turtle]

you still want both for nade spam at least

[gusty bison]

Generally if im not going focus target i often just skip the entire bottom middle tree

[white minnow]

demo team is pragmatically a 1 point cost since you're taking tactical awareness/iron will most times

[gusty bison]

🤔

squint

[bitter turtle]

yeah that's why I say 3 pts total, demo team + 2 points for grenadier

since you generally want to throw shredders in pairs, the 4th nade helps a lot for opening fights

[gusty bison]

Im too attached to trench fighter for my own good lmao

[white minnow]

shrimply take both

[serene bough]

No repricocity?

[white minnow]

(ignore the rending strikes i need it to hit a two-shot on crushers)

i would take it if i had a better psword

https://streamable.com/wwbyct

[bitter turtle]

i think recip is always better if you don tneed the pathing to onslaught

[white minnow]

yeah i'm just taking the +close range just for that stamina regen delay node

[bitter turtle]

unless your uh, gun and melee both dont want free crit

[white minnow]

god if only it was in the middle

i'd take reciprocity just for my psword

[zealous wyvern]

what is grenade keystone

[gusty bison]

But muh deadshot

[bitter turtle]

taking a bunch of nade talents

so you can spam them

[white minnow]

😔

[zealous wyvern]

so no keystone

ok

[bitter turtle]

nope, its just colloquial name for the build

[gusty bison]

Grenade tinkerer
Grenadier
Demo team
Demo pile

[zealous wyvern]

i made that build yesterday

but i dont have weapons for it

[tiny summit]

All the grenade talents could be a keystone

[zealous wyvern]

i dont have a plasma or powersword

[white minnow]

i ran the grenade keystone for melee maelstrom and it was a banger

[zealous wyvern]

which i think would go well with that build

since both dont really need many talent points

to be good

all my guns rn are kinda point dependant i think

[agile forge]

Plasma's easy to build at least

[tiny summit]

True which is why I run plasma and psword with

[agile forge]

since you can get any old shit with good modifier stats

change the perks, ignore the blessings, and you have a good plasma

power sword's a bit harder (STILL DON'T HAVE PC4 AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA)

(but PC3 is fine if you get it)

[white minnow]

hmm i guess i could abandon rending strikes and take reciprocity

and rely on having my ult up to buff myself to get the crusher 2-shot

and just throw a nade if there are enough crushers that it takes longer than 10 seconds to handle them

reciprocity is back on the menu

[bitter turtle]

what perks do people run on the fast laspistol btw

flaniac?

[crude ermine]

Yes

[tiny summit]

Yea. And penance week lessgo

[bitter turtle]

cool

https://i.gyazo.com/a28433f1a109f78ccd6871fb412e2a38.jpg

thanks melk

something decent for once

[crude ermine]

Splendid

Now laspistol all over the place

[light ore]

no ghost

[bitter turtle]

cant be helped

he had between the eyes/infernus on it

[tiny summit]

Laspistol and MG4 better full auto lasguns than recons

[bitter turtle]

i dont care about the weapon enough to waste plasteel rolling for a ghost one

[light ore]

well infurnus will probably occasionally do something at least

[zealous wyvern]

i am still convinced powersword is just as good as most melee weapons without powercycler

and with it, becomes stupidly op meta

[tiny summit]

I'm gonna do a Exe MF Laspistol game

[zealous wyvern]

the only weapons better than powersword without pc4 are knife and devils claw

maybe chainsword?

[light ore]

mf laspistol is hilarious

[tiny summit]

Nah

[light ore]

you just casually stroll through the game headshotting everything

[zealous wyvern]

laspistol and lasgun autoaiming for you is pretty funny

[white minnow]

i think it's terribleness without pcycler is overstated at times but pcycler does patch up its weaknesses quite strongly

[tiny summit]

PS without being energized to me feels like a wet noodle

[zealous wyvern]

its the Emperor guiding my shots

[zealous wyvern]

are you used to powercycler?

[light ore]

you're too fast for melee to do anything and ranged can't do anything cause ghost

it's great

[tiny summit]

I was used to running a PS w/o PC4.

[bitter turtle]

should i do

ghost/infernus then

who needs dumdum anyway right

[light ore]

dum dum kinda painful to give up

[zealous wyvern]

dumdum ghost seems good

[light ore]

but i legit dunno

[zealous wyvern]

infernus hell no

[bitter turtle]

i heard infernus maintains dumdum at least

[zealous wyvern]

i hate infernus

[tiny summit]

PS w/o PC is at least more functional and usable than a Caxe w/o BM. PS is carried by energize and Caxes carried by BM

[zealous wyvern]

true

[light ore]

"literally immune to ranged damage" is a hell of a thing

[zealous wyvern]

only for 1 sec though

[light ore]

on headshot

[hearty panther]

the issue with infernus is thaf if you crit to trigger it, most things already die

[light ore]

so functionally forever

i just walk up to reaper patrols, stand still in front of them, and magdump

[hearty panther]

and if you are also headshotting (you should be) a crit headshot will definitely be killing most things

its really just for reapers

[tiny summit]

It is. Can get away with it though. With ET, CK and Iron Will you don't give a shit about being lit up anyways

[hearty panther]

ghost is awesome defensive utility

also triggers duck and dive

[tiny summit]

Lmao maybe I should play around with that

[light ore]

one of the issues to is that even with vet being immune to ranged damage most the time

you still get knockback

there are situations where the enemies just point a giant cartoon fan at you and literally pin you to the wall

[tiny summit]

Knock back causing MF stacks to drop is...haha...haha...ty Fatshark

Better land those headshots for toughness

[light ore]

which i believe doesn't happen with ghost

need to double check tho

[tiny summit]

Probably shouldn't since you're not being hit

[thick wolf]

try and guess which difficulty and modifier this clusterfuck was in

[bitter turtle]

I have no information to make an informed guess

So I will guess

Sedition

[light ore]

yeah you're immune to knockback

[thick wolf]

Heresy Maelstrom I-III

[light ore]

literally twbs as a blessing

[thick wolf]

map's a clusterfuck with specialist spam and who let the dogs out

[tiny summit]

Hmm. Exe MF Laspistol may actually be fun.

[bitter turtle]

Now it sounds like ghost is pretty important to laspis gameplay

What bps does dumdum let you hit anyway

Maybe I will just try ghost infernus

[light ore]

it works without ghost just like any other gun, but yeah ghost enables an entire playstyle shift

hopefully you do so much damage with just mf headshots that dum dum doesn't matter?

[bitter turtle]

Ye I'll try it

Surely infernus will make up the damage

[hearty panther]

it wont

[light ore]

where's my copegryn emote

[tiny summit]

The infernus dmg won't tick faster than the followup shots

It'll only be relevant if the enemy runs away or went into cover or ran out of the mag on the target or reapers

[light ore]

remember guys bleed is good but infernus is bad

[grand lark]

https://tenor.com/view/anton-chigurh-no-country-for-old-men-ok-oops-javier-bardem-gif-10579690

[serene sage]

lass piss more like 😤

i hate las guns

[tiny summit]

Don't speak ill of the emperor's holy light

[soft blade]

laspis more like swagular

[serene sage]

they gun literally say pew pew when it fires

[rigid whale]

i like lasguns when they dont suck

[light ore]

that just makes them endearing you monster

[soft blade]

yeah and that’s swagular

[serene sage]

pew pew

[soft blade]

your gun says bang bang???

[serene sage]

no damge

[soft blade]

i sleep

[serene sage]

my gun thunders everytime it fires

excuse you

[soft blade]

sorry, your gun goes boom boom???

[rigid whale]

i love how the helbore goes "bwop"

[soft blade]

i sleep

[rigid whale]

bwop bwop bwop bwop

sound of me missing 4 headshots in a row trying to kill 1 mutant

[serene sage]

raughghhh bwop ruagghhh bwop ruagghh raughhhh bwop

[light ore]

my gun recites the john galt speech every time i pull the trigger

please help

[soft blade]

for april fools they should just boost the volume of mutants by 1000% and not tell anyone

[rigid whale]

ear damage immediately

[serene sage]

it would be funny if there's a mod

that changes the plasma sound to soviet anthem

[soft blade]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-mutant-warhammer-40k-darktide-mutant-gif-1118053842768353546

[light ore]

they should just spawn a mutant in the walls and never let it out

[serene sage]

no no

that's too lenient

spawn a buster

for maximal paranoia

[light ore]

jesus christ

[frank basin]

https://tenor.com/view/mutant-darktide-warhammer-40k-abuse-gif-17199671288688860755

[untold mulch]

God I hate Mutie hitbox

[rigid whale]

deserved. outplayed

[tiny summit]

When you activate Exe and the poxburster conga line spawns in a door.

[rigid whale]

there was this video that was like, a fancam of the striders from half life 2 with their really loud sounds playing over the entire thing

i need a version of that but with mutant roars

[frank basin]

You can extract mutant sound from YouTube video

[rigid whale]

yea but im lazy

[frank basin]

I am too bud

I sleep on bed again

[thick wolf]

what melee weapon does pair bolter the best

[agile forge]

Power Sword VI.

That goes for everything though

[subtle schooner]

HOMIE REALLY SENT THIS TO ME OVER TEXT MID GAME

[agile forge]

Actually maybe devil Claw 4

[subtle schooner]

HELP

[light ore]

time to bind ping to m1

[agile forge]

Only thing it doesn't do is Carapace, and your Bolter covers that

[light ore]

knife for elites, bolter for hordes

[thick wolf]

I think I have a decent Devil Claw straight outta Melk's

well, in quotations

[rigid whale]

LMAOOOO

[thick wolf]

parrying is cracked tho

[tiny summit]

[agile forge]

That's what I'm thinking, I like to use Ranged to safely delete Ragers but a Bolter takes too long to draw

So parrying them to death sounds like the next best solution

I have never used one though

At least not since 2022 when I was a clueless neophyte

[thick wolf]

I don't know if that rager was on low health or not

but I parried it once and it just got deleted instantly

[light ore]

no, parry just does that

[agile forge]

I have heard Ragers are easily 1-tappable if you parry attack their head

[untold mulch]

I support this

MARK THEM DAMMIT

[agile forge]

Based on that I would expect Devil's Claw to be premium on a slow-draw, anti-carapace ranged weapon

That is to say, a bolter

[untold mulch]

PUG not tagging enemies are so painful

[thick wolf]

also sad correction on the bolter thing

[frank basin]

Is he your friend?

[untold mulch]

Hey, if you tag that Crusher you are panic dodging, MAYBE I WOULD REALIZE YOU NEED HELP

[thick wolf]

I apparently had a brainfart and the 500 rating bolter wasn't actually a big E mission reward

this is the actual big E reward and uhhhh

my only gold devil claw sword is the mk 1 btw

dunno if theres differences between the others

[agile forge]

Gold standard, I am told, is the Mark IV

[light ore]

mark 4 and 7 are good

[subtle schooner]

Yeah dw😭

[thick wolf]

dammit melk why did you only have the mk 1

[light ore]

mk 1 kinda isn't unfortunatly

gimped moveset

[thick wolf]

I guess I just wasted a lot of melk points on a shit variant

[light ore]

you got wrath 3 out of it at least

[frank basin]

If is strange it would be wild for me.

[thick wolf]

it looked decent when I looked at it at melk's so I wasted like 3k on it

[sharp ember]

the mk1 lacks an overhead heavy strike, for single target purposes where you can't just parry

it's not bad but that's what it lacks

personally i like the mk7

it has the same light chain motions as mk1

and same heavy 1, but heavy 2 is a strikedown overhead

[thick wolf]

uggghhh

and to think my psyker has the mk4s or the 7s

[sharp ember]

the mk4 heavy 1 is the overhead

and you can do a cool push attack combo that flows into it

like a kendo double overhead

[thick wolf]

aaggh if only weaponry is account shared

finally got the courage to use it on a Damnation run

[hollow ibex]

bolter isn't too bad

weapon swap speed sucks though

[agile forge]

I always used to like Bolter on my Zealot which never had any of the Veteran cheats for avoiding its downsides

The only issue with it now really is that other weapons do the same job as it without the clunk

[thick wolf]

I like it more than I use the plasma gun

[agile forge]

Love plasma. Just hate that more than half of my shots with it are invisible.

[thick wolf]

I just can't vibe with how you handle it's heat, unless you press mouse2 it felt inconsequential?

and then there's the reload, ohhhhhhh

meanwhile I get a rush whenever I'm reaching high peril as Psyker

[frank basin]

Imagine give psyker plasma

[thick wolf]

oh god, heat and peril in one class

[sharp ember]

the magazine is massive af so you can only reload during downtime for the most part

[frank basin]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-explode-explosion-cats-kaboom-gif-5543609305179444322

[empty kettle]

You’d become a nuke if you overheated both

[thick wolf]

I did appreciate the Bolter more when I used it on Damnation

[sharp ember]

at max heat i vent 2 ticks and that lets me get off 4 more uncharged shots

[thick wolf]

finally, I can magdump on a Crusher regiment

[sharp ember]

charged shots are a bit pointless right now

[agile forge]

I like to alpha-strike ogryn with it

if they don't know I exist yet

[agile forge]

but idk if it's actually effective

[thick wolf]

that being said

[sharp ember]

yeah that and initiating exe stance is all i can see

[thick wolf]

I am baffled in this very part itself

[sharp ember]

unless you really wanna 1 shot a mutie

[thick wolf]

I, don't even know how the fuck I managed to wake up the Daemonhost on this floor

I was just magdumping on this Plague Ogryn here after making sure he was in enough distance to not disturb the glowy l4d2 witch

only for that asshole to somehow wake up anyway and start beating me up

[sharp ember]

bolt round detonation aoe?

[thick wolf]

thank fuck it only went through me and didn't go after the other ogryns

I'm not even sure, I started magdumping on it when it was climbing on the stairs after making sure the Daemonhost is like in a far enough distance to not go apeshit

but it did anyway and proceeded to beat me up

yeah, we basically fought three monstrosities at the same time, only two got killed

despite that, the run didn't completely collapse itself

[narrow bough]

anyone know if you can still cheese 'make every shot count'?

[wary wharf]

Worth it?

[hollow ibex]

lol... well yeah

[polar kayak]

it’s not?! 😡

[agile forge]

Hadron literally cannot ruin this for you. Take it and thank the Emperor.

[fluid gust]

Well, I suppose that's an alright power sword

[atomic zephyr]

this basically singlehandedly ruins the plasma for me

[polar kayak]

same

[atomic zephyr]

i need the feedback from firing it
half the time it doesnt even feel like i killed something

[wary wharf]

Literally texted gf how to login to my pc so she could buy it for me while at work

[wary wharf]

The sweet sweet sound of elite/special enemy death notifications are enough for me lol

[atomic zephyr]

understandable, but i need to see the bolt of starlight evaporating a motherfucker

not as satisfying to just watch them explode spontaneously

[crude ermine]

Neca p .csn or so ts wn Asli ening ap gtle the shovel

[onyx gorge]

How the hell do you guys use this class? Can normally make up for bad team mates but not on this lol

[last steppe]

so using this, i've found out a few things as to why i've suddenly become so much more effective at.... everything?

Full left side built cept dipping slightly into right for smoke grenades and middle for medikit buff and grenade regen

when i ads i can typically one shot something at the same ranges the hellbore rifles can as long as i have stamina for the ads buff
the ammo for certain kills makes sure i don't run out constantly as long as i pick my shots well
The smoke grenades, if placed well, force all ranged enemies to rush me and the squad through the smoke, turning them into easy targets

literally last game i played i turned a deathroom with a good 8 or 9 gunners into an easy, hilarious sweep cause the smokes made them rush us for some reason

[hollow ibex]

Smoke nades

[last steppe]

LOL listen, i like them, and if used correctly they're extremely helpful

just, most people don't use em right

i suppose it depends on your group i guess

without a psyker with the wall they make, or a shield ogryn, nobody has a way to protect the party from massive waves of set up gunners... something that seems to happen a LOT

but proper smoke use doesn't just protect the party, it forces the gunners to rush you

[onyx gorge]

That’s the one problem with this class lol

[hollow ibex]

They're ghetto bubble shields which more often than not ends up griefing the team

[last steppe]

I mean, sure, if you aren't running the left side active ability

use that and for most of the smoke duration the allies can see important shit through it

LIKE, I get it's not the MOST effective vet thought process, but i've had a lot of fun and was surprised at how useful it was

[onyx gorge]

Is the best gun for all around the semi auto lasgun? Nothing seems good on this class tried almost everything

Full auto las is a thirsty pea shooter

[hollow ibex]

that makes it less of an issue for the team, and more of an issue for you because you're gimping yourself by running exec stance

and not to mention the talent point cost

[hollow ibex]

recon las sucks bad rn

[last steppe]

depends I guess, my fav is the shotgun i showed above, to me it feels more effective than anything else i've used

[hollow ibex]

if you want to run a las weapon, laspistols are the best atm

[white minnow]

most guns are pretty good

[zealous wyvern]

SEVEN MINUTES GUARDSMAN

[hollow ibex]

but yeah most guns are pretty good rn

[zealous wyvern]

seven minutes is all you need to wait

brunt reset incoming

[onyx gorge]

Yea I’ll try the pistol the rifles are sucking ass for me they all have at least one serious flaw

[hollow ibex]

i'd take autoguns over lasrifles though

[zealous wyvern]

i hate that the shredder and recon are so bad

just up their damage a little

its that easy

[last steppe]

I guess? but with exe stance and the left side buffs, my shotgun is a damn sniper, and regardless of if i use it or not, proper aim keeps me constantly one shotting most specials

[white minnow]

the laspistols have the advantage of having good crit chance and crit dmg, so they'll do stuff even on bodyshots

[zealous wyvern]

just give them a bit more dmg

i dont get it

[onyx gorge]

Veteran seems very underpowered coming from the other 3 classes just need this one to lvl 30

[zealous wyvern]

even if its not perfect. on the weaker side or whatever

just literally up it a bit

[hollow ibex]

yeah i mean as long as it's working for you

[zealous wyvern]

just a bit more damage per bullet and it would be fine

[hollow ibex]

vet's a fuckin beast

[white minnow]

vet is very fine in terms of power level

[hollow ibex]

it's my most played class by far

[zealous wyvern]

if you bring the right 2 or 3 things

yes

[hollow ibex]

does everything well

[zealous wyvern]

if you dont, the others are better probably

[onyx gorge]

Maybe I just suck I’m only an 18 rn so we will see

Also have had nothing but rusher teammates

[agile forge]

You can't make judgements before 30 really

[hollow ibex]

vet also starts off pretty weak

[agile forge]

I feel like Veteran is a class that keeps the team stable and makes clutches less necessary

[hollow ibex]

but yeah, reserve judgment until you hit 30

[agile forge]

Like Psyker

[onyx gorge]

I was fucking shit up as a lvl 10 psyker and ogryn lol

[agile forge]

While Zealot and Ogryn are classes that can save the day when the nurgle rot hits the fan

[onyx gorge]

Maybe the scale is later

[white minnow]

well, psyker does get assail early on, and ogryn is absolutely overtuned

[midnight totem]

Every class can save the day when shit hits the fan

[polar kayak]

play damnation

[agile forge]

Yes, but some are more natural at it

[hollow ibex]

once you get voice of command + the overshield modifier and unlimited nades, the class really starts coming into its own

[agile forge]

Zealot is Clutch: The Class

[last steppe]

man i love playing things other than ogryn, but whenever i don't play ogryn, i always get a shield ogryn who forgets he can plant his shield, and gets two people killed cause he tries to randomly normal block a deamonhost without any warning

[midnight totem]

I've clutched more games with stealth vet then any zealot

[last steppe]

^

stealth vet is FUNNY effective

[umbral scaffold]

I just pistol Vet and watch the enemies go Pop

[midnight totem]

And I've practically never lost a game with my voc vet

[last steppe]

mmm, still no aquilas... tried grabbing some yesterday and steam freaked out or something and i still got no aquilas or my 15 bucks

[tall torrent]

[ripe totem]

scythe of nurgle

[icy orchid]

Ayo?

[ripe totem]

can't say I'm a fan of the lucius mk1

[icy orchid]

which lucius marks were which again?

[agile forge]

Light to heavy, II I III

II and I having the good bayonet, III having the silly one.

[icy orchid]

3 is the hardest hitting per shot right?

[agile forge]

Yep

Mini plasma gun

II is like a spicy MGXII

I is middle child syndrome

[crude ermine]

3's bayonet is equivalent to going from a knife to a butter knife

[hearty panther]

knife to a spoon

[tiny summit]

Civil War ass bayonet animation

[zealous wyvern]

i am pretty sure civil war bayonets were used to stab

often

going by their shape

[tiny summit]

I'm referring to the animation going "READY! AIM! STAB!"

[zealous wyvern]

i remember reading a medical diary about bayonet stab wounds

id agree if mk3 at least stabbed

but it doesnt

[next furnace]

how to confuse the random Zealot lmaooo

[agile yew]

Where is that mod available? Couldnt find nexus

[light ore]

the forbidden mod

[umbral scaffold]

yknow regarding the light las pistol it would be intereting if the Q for it was too pull out your melee weapon i wonder how op that could be

[light ore]

what

[crude ermine]

Idk

[umbral scaffold]

yea

instead of pushing

[tiny summit]

Wants the special action to be a melee swing from your actual melee

[umbral scaffold]

just use your free hand to beat people

with a weapon

[crude ermine]

Ah

[light ore]

oh

[crude ermine]

7 damage