veteran-class

[grand lark]

So

[muted knot]

With passion

[sonic marlin]

had enough fails

[grand lark]

If only PC wasn't mandatory 🫃🏿

[bitter turtle]

so i had enough time to try your idea on a poxwalker

[hearty panther]

i wouldnt call it mandatory

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/083f941cd5e29435a4c13ec2f352ce72.jpg

[hearty panther]

but it is ridiculous

[bitter turtle]

problem is, the bleed isnt enough to kill cleaved poxwalkers

unless you maybe run an anti-poxwalker perk

[grand lark]

I mean is there a particular blessing combo that is so good it outclasses having PC in either slot

[sonic marlin]

now i wish these were maxed

[sonic marlin]

u talking to me about the toughness regen or what

[grand lark]

About PC on PS I think

[crude fiber]

Oh, thought it would, rip. Time for a +25 infested knife

[hearty panther]

yea dont bother testing regen

its not that great, its not happening as much as you think, and there's really just strictly better choices in the end

[grand lark]

Pretty sure regen is only good on Og or Zeal with very specific builds. And even then I wouldn't call it optimal, it just... is a way to make it work

And is a mildly funny build

[sonic marlin]

looks like theres 2 groups of people

one who begs me to use regen other who tell me its meh

[crude fiber]

What if you have the bleed on hit node? So I'd be 9 stacks, or is it not even close with 8 stacks? Super nit picky but I'm curious

[hearty panther]

if you need regen for downtime catch a breath is like 100-300% better depending on how big your toughness bar is

[sonic marlin]

i asked about curio setup like 5 times now

[bitter turtle]

i mean u saw

[sonic marlin]

someone always defends regen

[bitter turtle]

its pretty far

but ill try

[hearty panther]

yea cause some people dont know better

[bitter turtle]

actually

ill be honest

it snot even worth testing

look at my knife stats

[grand lark]

Toughness regen? You sure they weren't talking about stam regen?

[hearty panther]

which is mean to say but still

[bitter turtle]

100 dmg lol

it salready an overstatted knife we cant get in reality

[crude fiber]

I do see now, I didn't look before. Oh well

[bitter turtle]

i also picked up every single melee dmg node

[crude fiber]

Time for lacerate + flesh tear + serrated blade + infested knife

[bitter turtle]

serrated blade does it actually

if u had a 100 dmg knife

[crude fiber]

With or without +infested?

[bitter turtle]

no infested+

so

[crude fiber]

Red weapons gonna change the knife meta

[bitter turtle]

just gotta wait for red knives

lul

oh

actually

u can still do it with 80 dmg knives

but you still need serrated

it kills on the 2nd to last tick

so still takes a while though

[crude fiber]

That 80 in dam, first target, and finesse though right? Good luck getting one of those lol

[bitter turtle]

yes

you also HAVE to head a headshot on the cleave

or else it lives with 8 hp

which might be harder to do in practice than reality

easy enough to hit the first guy with headshot but the swing is diagonal

so you have to angle weirdly to make sure it hits hte 2nd with a headshot too

https://i.gyazo.com/f07e1cc499b0c4bea66fef174fab597b.jpg

no cleave headshot

oh

the bleed does pretty safely kill the other type of poxwalker (unarmored type) regardless of headshot

t ho

so yeah

infested+ knife

[serene bough]

Fireteam meta has returned for bleed knife

[finite imp]

Was complimented today

[bitter turtle]

actually

if u keep doing your build

just use heavies

https://i.gyazo.com/36ffd6476944f75ea82e4f480ecea7ca.jpg

killed 1 safely bleed to death other 2

lul

with the horizontal heavy

[serene bough]

I think im going to swap to uncanny now

Fleshtearer is locked in

So uncanny + flesh tear

[bitter turtle]

honestly

if u use heavies

its actually

kinda ok

for poxwalkers i mean

since u usually heavy and back off anyway

[hearty panther]

haymaker flesh tearer

[bitter turtle]

so it kills 3-4 in one swing

and then you backdash

and then dash back in to swing again after the others bleed out

still

i'd always run uncanny on knife

personally

[serene bough]

These discussions have me questioning what I even do in horde situations

Like

I dont even remember what I normally do lol

[finite imp]

https://tenor.com/view/salsa-dance-dancing-dancer-latin-gif-10055599

[serene bough]

Need2practice

[finite imp]

its all instinct really

practiced muscle memory

[serene bough]

i just want to STAB

[bitter turtle]

well, personally either way, for mk6 , i think you should heavy

esp with bleed

unironically

im actually

[serene bough]

i heavy once in a while

[bitter turtle]

slightly impressed

[finite imp]

there's so many decisions that are being made so fast its impossible to put them in like a flow chart

[serene bough]

but i dont know how often i mix it in

[bitter turtle]

by bleed heavies on poxwalkers

like its still not good compared to a lot of other weapons but i think its probably passable

[finite imp]

with heavies i use against bruisers and mixed hordes

the knife has good armor pen so i def make sure i get the most out of that

[bitter turtle]

cause

it kills in 3-4 bleed ticks

with lights, even if you actually run serrated and hit head, its like the full 8 ticks

that is way too long

[finite imp]

Bleed shines the most against bosses tbh

[bitter turtle]

but with heavy you can actually probably concievably kite and wait for the 3-4 ticks

[bitter turtle]

nah, mercy killer is #1 on bosses

followed by precog

i tried that way earlier

[finite imp]

the biggest challenge with bosses is keeping consistent damage going while they're flailing about

[bitter turtle]

when someone was telling me lacerate flesh was good for bosses

[finite imp]

How does mercy killer work again remind me

[bitter turtle]

if they are bleeding, 60%+ dmg

[finite imp]

ah okay

[bitter turtle]

so you run serrated blade

[finite imp]

so like i said

[bitter turtle]

just for the 1 bleed stack

well, it depends

[finite imp]

bleed shines against bosses

[bitter turtle]

there is technically bleed

its just not doing most of the work

and you dont run bleed blessings

still uncanny + mercy

but yeah ig

if you count that as bleed build

[finite imp]

its utilizing bleed for its damage so i guess i would

its just another kind of bleed

[bitter turtle]

ig

its just not really using the dot for the dmg

https://i.gyazo.com/3f86a26204f5e8c403ea9c9fdcd038df.jpg

ur heavies do this much each swing (uncanny isnt even stacked here)

and with how fast the knife attacks

the dot is there just to proc the buff basically

[finite imp]

pr good damag

[terse idol]

Toughness regen is meh

Stamina regen is based

Cause having enough gives us stamina regen as fast as psyker

Historically vet has the lowest stam regen

[tacit wren]

Theoretically, having really high toughness and really high toughness regen is like an overshield and worth more than high health, but toughness works kinda wonky

I have tried it with the high toughness regen, high ability regen, + to toughness with the shout ultimate

but all it takes is a few poxbursters or corruptions to completely fuck you if you just use those curios and have no wounds

[bitter turtle]

the regen only affects passive coherency no?

[tacit wren]

Stuff like that works better for Ogryn because their weapons replenish toughness fast

[terse idol]

It affects in coherencey toughness regen

[junior needle]

Weakspot damage, which is not actually 60% damage

[terse idol]

As far as ivd been told

[tacit wren]

lol really, i thought it affected the abilities

[bitter turtle]

wait

its weakspot damage only?

damn

oh damn

it is

no reading comprehension here lul

or rather i just dont use mercy killer

hate the serrated tax

gave me the fastest kill when i was smacking around a plogryn though

[bitter turtle]

precog pretty close though

[hearty panther]

yes curio regen only affects coherency regen. and coherency regen is a flat value, not %, and varies from 2.5/3.75/5

it does also diminish the delay before regen begins

but the big issue is that coherency regen turns off completely if enemies are 3m from you and when you take damage

and also those flat values are pretty bad

[tacit wren]

hmm yeah that explains why trying to be a toughness tanky vet is dumb

[terse idol]

Nope toughness regen doesn't do anything to abilities as far as I know

[terse idol]

I mean it is easy

Just build max toughness curios

[tacit wren]

not toughness regen, ability regen

[terse idol]

VoC or infil

Oh

[tacit wren]

does ability regen not help VoC cooldown faster?

my thought process was faster VoC, higher toughmess and higher toughness regen = very tough vet

[white minnow]

brutal momentum's description is wrong
when you get a weakspot kill, you get to maintain your first target target to the next target, up to 4 targets
https://streamable.com/dufgeg

[bitter turtle]

it does by a whole 2-3 seconds

[white minnow]

wtf embed

[bitter turtle]

which

is not much

often wasted too because of sepcialist kills

[tacit wren]

but x 2 or x 3 ?

[bitter turtle]

yes

im saying 3 seconds

after you use 3x ability regen lol

[tacit wren]

so 6-9 seconds if you use 2 or 3 ?

[bitter turtle]

no

[tacit wren]

oh

[bitter turtle]

each one only gives about 1 second

so if you stack 3 its about 3 seconds off

[hearty panther]

12% CDR on 30s is 3.6s

[bitter turtle]

yeah

[hearty panther]

but tbh

[bitter turtle]

i'd only use the CDR on overwatch infiltrate builds

less chance of wasting the time reduction

[hearty panther]

id still use it

[bitter turtle]

from specialist kills

cause 2 charge

and the cd is really long too

so u get a whole 7 seconds off

[hearty panther]

voc uptime is way high and making it higher is a good idea

[tacit wren]

interesting

let me ask you something, how come when a game is 3-4 vets, it feels kinda fucked really fast?

[bitter turtle]

well the question is, is it worth the opportunity cost of losing what is effectively an additional health/toughness curio

[terse idol]

I'm not convinced

Imo

[bitter turtle]

3x toutghness or 3x health is 15%

so its like a 4th curio mainstat

[terse idol]

CK is all the cdr you need

[sonic marlin]

looks like i'm not the worst with the plasma but can't say i'm enjoying it more than my columnus

most of the time its 'hope i don't have to reload when being overrun by 10 maulers'

[bitter turtle]

i like weapon specialist plasma more than focus target tbh

[timid otter]

You can sprint while reloading plasma

[bitter turtle]

that passive reload is nice and its naturally a melee heavy weapon

[sonic marlin]

cool bipod huh

[hearty panther]

what makes VoC strong is the 15s of toughness overheal access

the longer you can keep that 15s buff up the better

and its strong enough in my opinion that having it back up 3.6s sooner is absolutely worth it

its a level of extra survivability thats hard to quantify and its for four players

[bitter turtle]

its not always actually giving you it 3.6 seconds faster though

if you ever proc tac awareness

[hearty panther]

?

[bitter turtle]

and it "overreduces" the cd

like if you were at 4 seconds -> kill specialist

[hearty panther]

no it literally always reduces it by 3.6 lmao

[bitter turtle]

then the cdr did nothing

no

ok

[hearty panther]

i get what you mean

[bitter turtle]

pretend one guy has cdr,

oh

[hearty panther]

but still no

like thats the benefit of it

[bitter turtle]

let me put it this way

[hearty panther]

it will literally always shave 3.6s

[bitter turtle]

if your cd counts down 25 seconds

the cdr person has 2 seconds left on voc

the no cdr person has 5 seconds

[hearty panther]

you're talking a niche scenario that would otherwise only happen in a very specific window

[bitter turtle]

both people proc tac awareness

both are back up

ya

i mean

i dont know how much it actually happens in practice tbh

i dont track it

[hearty panther]

in all other cases its an improvement

[bitter turtle]

i dont think you can call it niche or not without really analyzing a game tbh

and im way too lazy to record full games

and analyze over it

[hearty panther]

its niche lmao

either way youre gonna run both

[bitter turtle]

idk

there are a lot of fucking specialists in auric mael lol

sometimes you can spam back to back before the buff even wears off so

i dont really know how niche it is

all i know is its not a problem for overwatch infil

since ur usually sitting on 1 charge anyways

so that's the only build i usually think about running it on

[timid otter]

While we are on this topic how good is overwatch infil?

[hearty panther]

i think the way to frame it is that unless you're already killing five specials in 3.6s then the CDR will give you a benefit

and yes that shit does happen, but no, it's not that often

[bitter turtle]

i use it on bayonet

and that's about the only build i can afford to spend that many points grabbing infil so

lol

i like it though

[hearty panther]

yea its good but its expensive

because veteran tree is ridiculous

[bitter turtle]

no, not necessarily

like i said, you could have waited 25 seconds naturally

and then a specialist pops up and you kill it ,and the cdr technically did nothing

i dont disagree that it sounds like a niche scenario at least

but idk

like i said, there are a lot of specialists in auric and they show up all the time

it really sounds like something u'd have to analyze a full game for

but that sounds sweaty as fug

so i just run w/e i want

[toxic leaf]

ok boys, do i rip pc4 from this:

[bitter turtle]

only if you got something better

like mobility +50

[toxic leaf]

to try to fix this:

[bitter turtle]

no

that one is bricked

at least compared to the othe rone

you have 3 things you need to fix

[toxic leaf]

yea unarmoured isnt the best perk

[terse idol]

I mean the

See the issue being 3 seconds you shave off in the span of 60 seconds in auric damnation is noothing

And anytime you're not using VOC, the cdr is doing nothing

Compared to like, toughness or stam regen or

Maybe there's an argument to be had about pre emptively using VOC which I do

But I'm not gonna notice the cooldown being off 3 seconds faster saving me because CK will just

Shave the cooldown in more important scenarios than nothing

[bitter turtle]

i think it would be valid if it consistently shaved off 3 seconds

[timid otter]

Even with the 3.6 shave it will still need two special kills two activate it again before it disappears

[terse idol]

Yeah like 3 seconds off per every 10 seconds

[bitter turtle]

but ig you could say

[terse idol]

9 seconds off total, isn't bad

[bitter turtle]

if a specialist is equally likely to spawn in the timeframe of 30 seconds you wait for the cd of voc

there's a 12% chance that they spawn in that window of 3.6 seconds that you shaved off and "waste" it because you reduce more of the cd than you have left to wait

still that doesnt really answer whether or not its a realistic concern

[hearty panther]

its about the 15s window for overheal

[terse idol]

Are we talking about spamming voc then?

[bitter turtle]

if the first 15 secconds of the cooldown dont matter, that only makes it look worse for the CDR

[hearty panther]

if i do instantly regen my shout im not shouting until that buff runs out or i gotta to push back stuff

[bitter turtle]

because then it raises the probability that it does nothing

[terse idol]

I just do it during the over heal because it adds on

[bitter turtle]

if the only thing we're concerned about is 15-27th second of the cooldown

since the first 15 seconds are irrelevant if we're thinking only about the buff uptime

idk like i said this is impossible to determine without a lot of games to analyze lmao

just run it if you like it

and dont if you dont believe in it

im sticking to running it on overwatch infil only

[hearty panther]

man how do i say this

overheal is fucking busted

not the amount, but the mechanic

[bitter turtle]

it is, but that doesnt mean any amount of cdr is useful

[hearty panther]

so having the ability to gain overheal passively for everyone for 15s is immense

[bitter turtle]

imagine if 3x only shaved off half a second

[hearty panther]

and the closer you can overlap moments of 15s the better

[bitter turtle]

would you still say its a good subperk

if it only shaved off 0.5 secconds

like there's obv a line somewhere where it is useful and where it is not

but idk where

[hearty panther]

so much better that even 3.6 is significant

because just having a single point of toughness overheal

prevents so much shit from hurting you

[tranquil bronze]

Why is this axe so damn reliable?

[bitter turtle]

well like i said, even if the mechanic is strong

it doesnt mean any cdr value is always going to be useful

[hearty panther]

taxes are slept on

[tranquil bronze]

Probaly because they hate being taxed

[tall torrent]

Tac axes I feel need better dmg still

At least make the heavy atks be easier to reach bruiser 1 shot

[bitter turtle]

i think their attack patterns look fucking goofy

wtf is that underhand upward swing

on the mk4

heavies

[tall torrent]

Mk4 moveset is very goofy yes

Mk2 and mk7 are ok

[hearty panther]

its the same as the downward swing

dont overthink it

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/f5ed2f6c7dd221aa5ee431e12e6cac8b.jpg

this goofy ass katana ass swing

[hearty panther]

it do be obstructive

[bitter turtle]

omg i should make a katana taxe

[civic knot]

Im gonna run riposte and flesh tearer, and change infested to carapace. Which of these blessings do I upgrade to 4? bleed or riposte? 2,5% crit chance aint nothing, right?

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/1fb0b50ec28cf384335faf70f89409ab.jpg

im gonna play taxe now

[lyric dock]

Honestly that is pretty damn solid

[bitter turtle]

probably flesh upgrade

1 stack of bleed makes a fairly big difference

not that i'd run those blessings

but if you insist, flesh is prob better

[terse idol]

Woah

Just keep it

Replace flak with Carapace

[hearty panther]

taxe is best on zealot

the extra melee damage nodes really add up

duelist puts it over the top

do recommend

[crude fiber]

Can taxe 1 shot either bruiser on vet?

With lights

[hearty panther]

no

[crude fiber]

I dont think so right? Excluding crits

[hearty panther]

zealot can

[umbral scaffold]

when modders cope with custom weaponry

[crude fiber]

I wonder if you could on an 80 all damage

With full headtaker stacks

[sleek garden]

when you kill little dudes with this swing they cartwheel backwards its great

wouldnt use brutal momentum on one though

[crude fiber]

What mod is this? And is It safe to use on my main account

[sleek garden]

i have all or nothing so i can push spam on zealot

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/c0326a221bcf4530521c2258e5bbebd6.jpg

i shall bring honor to atoma

punish the dishonorable heretics

[bitter turtle]

weapon customization mod

and yes

[soft blade]

if you install mods fatshark dispatches a killteam to your location so be careful

[sonic marlin]

cope with what

[untold mulch]

If you fight them off, you are free to go though

[crude fiber]

I have the one that let's you change appearances, is there a different version or do I just need to update it?

[untold mulch]

For The Drip is separate

[crude fiber]

Weapon appearance*

[untold mulch]

Oh

[agile yew]

How important is Thermal on Plasma?

Just got it as mission reward

[sonic marlin]

When I was asking about plasma stuff most people agreed on having higher res is better

[crude fiber]

I think you normally want to split your dump stat between ammo and thermal res

[sonic marlin]

some said its better to be lower since ur dmg builds up faster

[gaunt steppe]

I need a beer after a job well done.

[sonic marlin]

No, charge rate is the dump stat

[crude fiber]

Could you explain what you mean?

[sonic marlin]

when ur plasma overheats u do more dmg

lower thermal res means it overheats faster

[terse idol]

No?

I maan

TR is one of the most important stats

For a pgun

[agile yew]

0.22 hipfire heat generation on that one, while my high thermal has 0.19

[terse idol]

Charge rate imo is a dump stat

[agile yew]

So i am assuming its like 22% vs 19%

[terse idol]

Because all pgun gameplay rn

Is uncharged

[agile yew]

Not that drastic, gonna try using this if it rolls last blessing well

[sonic marlin]

yeah i didn't say you want low thermal res

[terse idol]

Alright alriight

[sonic marlin]

i just said thats how it works

i don't have low thermal res either, i doubt the dmg increase is that big

[terse idol]

But charge rate is a dimp stat because you don't charge

[sonic marlin]

yea

[agile yew]

Meh

[crude fiber]

I never heard that before, are the actual damage numbers higher at high temp?

[gaunt steppe]

Is it how it works though? There are a lot of rumors going on in this game.

[agile yew]

Higher crit chance

From Gets Hot!

[crude fiber]

Well sure

[gaunt steppe]

To the Psykhanium!

[terse idol]

Because of gets hot

[radiant charm]

Secret mission some brother to help me ? 👉🥺👈

[sonic marlin]

multiple people told me so, no idea, but it was always 2 sides, either low thermal res for dmg buildup which means ur always overheated or high thermal res

oh yeah because of the blessing

[crude fiber]

I'd rather spam an extra shot or 2 out then hope for a crit

[sonic marlin]

twins kinda

[light ore]

you can with agile engagement up

and headtaker stacks

and a good roll

[crude fiber]

I thought you said because IT gets hot so it'd deal more damage

[light ore]

and basically all the vet tree melee buffs

[gaunt steppe]

So I just did 3315 without overheat and 3326 at like 92% or so.

[sonic marlin]

so it actually doesn't deal more dmg without the blessing when it overheats?

[gaunt steppe]

So if there is a base increase, it's likely neglegible.

[light ore]

and flak and unarmored perks

basically when the stars align you can 1 tap bruisers with taxe lights

[agile yew]

What perk besides Flak for Plasma?

[crude fiber]

.001% damage increase

[agile yew]

Cara/Maniac/Unyielding?

[sonic marlin]

yeah

its always carapace but then maniac or unyielding

[crude fiber]

Might need something to get you to the dreg gunner 1 shot

Either unarmored (lol) or +elite

[gaunt steppe]

But you one-shot gunners even without flak.

[agile yew]

So Flak&Maniac to oneshot those maniacs?

[crude fiber]

Scab but ive seen people struggle to 1 hit dreg gunners

[sonic marlin]

that 9s reload is pain

i don't oneshot them for some reason

[crude fiber]

Oh nevermind, I misunderstood

[gaunt steppe]

Actually, I take that back, it might be the 8% weakspot that puts me over the edge. Don't have another plasma to test it tho.

[fathom walrus]

i finally did it - thanks everyone who helped

[bitter turtle]

It's the extended mod

Idk if my msg sent

Adds more options and u can change basically anything

[sonic marlin]

yummy skull

really i need 50dmg to oneshot them

[agile yew]

Guess ill need to start gathering those blessings...

[gaunt steppe]

This is my current one and the only thing it doesn't one-shot with charged shots with my build is maulers.

[sonic marlin]

volatile?

i never charge

lol

and basically nobody does apparently

[bitter turtle]

Charging is a dps and ammo loss atm

[sonic marlin]

you don't want gloryhunter?

[bitter turtle]

Only niche for it is increased cleave ig if you want to shoot through 7 or more crushers in a line

Uncharged only goes through 6 last I check

[agile yew]

Id rather blaze away, +40% power

[sonic marlin]

[agile yew]

Gloryhunter seems nice for survivability though

[sonic marlin]

it is

[gaunt steppe]

There's probably better options than Gloryhunter, but at the end of the day you gotta take what Hadron gives.

[sonic marlin]

basically never died since ive been using it

[bitter turtle]

Nah gloryhunter is ok

Plasma blessings are all mediocre at best

[sonic marlin]

gets hot + blaze away/gloryhunter is the go to

i wanna oneshot dogs

how

without charge

[opal dagger]

helbore is the only plasma gun i need

[terse idol]

Yeah, if the gun gets hot

It doesnt do more damage

[tiny summit]

Fatshark should just delete all dmg blessings

[terse idol]

Technically gets hot only increases crit chance

So sometimes you don't get more damage

[sonic marlin]

ah

[gaunt steppe]

I think Helbore is my least played vet gun. I want to like it, but I can't handle it as well as other guns.

[terse idol]

Blaze it increases damage based on amount of shots taken

[sonic marlin]

btw i need like 50dmg to oneshot gunners, what can i do

+is it possible to oneshot dogs without charge?

[terse idol]

Do you have +elites

[sonic marlin]

i do

[terse idol]

Or Unarmoured

Uh

Take longshot

Do you have longshot

Do you want to take fire team

[bitter turtle]

Focus target

Maybe

[bitter turtle]

And longshot

[terse idol]

Focus target cheating 😭

[bitter turtle]

Well

[terse idol]

But focus target works

[gaunt steppe]

Longshot, Kill Zone, Precision Strikes

[bitter turtle]

Test with 1 stack

[terse idol]

If you spam it

[sonic marlin]

i have it

[terse idol]

Then you have the BP at range

[bitter turtle]

I always test with 1 stack cause it's guaranteed

[terse idol]

I just like to do it without any more effort

So I just run unarmoured

No longshot

[sonic marlin]

only one i don't have is kill zone which seems useless

[terse idol]

😌

[bitter turtle]

Well

Sound like focus is ur only choice

[terse idol]

Yeah

Or you change elite

[bitter turtle]

Or redirect fire from focus

[terse idol]

For unarmoured

[gaunt steppe]

Only in a scuffle, and there you're more likely to melee anyway.

Kill Zone is really nice when you go into a new area to pick off the elites and specials before entering the fray.

[sonic marlin]

i think ill just get blaze away

instead of gloryhunter

might help

[bitter turtle]

Only on successive shots

If ur goal is a one-shot it's kinda

Unreliable I'd think

[sonic marlin]

i mean can't i have it charged and then shoot the gunners?

i rarely see them alone

[bitter turtle]

Ig

I try to make guns like this reliable the moment I pull it out

Just my preference though

[sonic marlin]

wish i could put a sniper scope on the plasma

[terse idol]

Blaze away won't help you get the one shot BP yeah

Either unarmoured

Elite and Longshot with distance

Killzone which I personally don't like

Or fire team

[raw steppe]

unreliable

better to utilize a few layers of damage

such as MF/FT + longshot

to make the one-shot consistent

[opal dagger]

Is there actually any difference between mk 2 vs mk 3 helbore?

[raw steppe]

unarmored is probably the worst imo

because you're wasting an entire perk on 1 specific enemy type in the game

[nimble sentinel]

mk 2 is the fast firing one, lower damage per shot. mk3 is the slow firing one with the big damage, but also a worse bayonnet

[hearty panther]

not even worse bayonet

just bad

an awful bayonet

[opal dagger]

Damn ok I got a surgical onslaught both Iv mk 2 so rip

Might just ditch it for mk 3 seeing as I can’t oneshot crushers

[nimble sentinel]

don't sleep on the mk 2, still phenomenal dps and pierces carapace

[opal dagger]

So I should prolly keep mine seeing as it’s got good rolls

[nimble sentinel]

100%

[serene orbit]

protip though, always keep a weapon if it has good rolls. you never know how it'll be changed in the future

[finite imp]

this

[serene sage]

All recon users out there

[serene orbit]

I mean if they made plasma good..

[strange grove]

but recon was good and they nerfed it

[untold mulch]

I have 3 Recons saved

[untold mulch]

Someone in the design team has a hateboner with Recon

Is a constant, "No, you CAN'T DO THAT"

Ok

Trying to make a Killteam for fun with a friend

Is this homie hand carrying a lesser multilas

Navis Las-volley

Must. Adquire

[soft blade]

weaponized scuba diver

[untold mulch]

Navis trooper sooo, pretty much the intent, I think they are the troops for Voidship fighting

As a Las enjoyer is my duty to understand all variations of las weaponry in the setting 🗿

[terse idol]

ooh I like that

[sonic marlin]

10/10 game, these people never stuck together lmao

[untold mulch]

I do too

[balmy flume]

Y’know, also makes me think.
Imperial Navy drip when?

[untold mulch]

2900 aquilas

Gonna go full scions

[sonic marlin]

71 kill combo

[untold mulch]

but goddamn that Las-Volley is giving me the eyes

[sonic marlin]

nice

still lost

and these people played much longer than me

lvl 112, 63 60

how do u go this long without learning that u need to stick togehter lol

[finite imp]

i love when kids talk shit on this game and then die not even 5 mins later lmao

[tall torrent]

Try to go for frenzied killer (3) which asks for u to kill 120 enemies in 30s

[finite imp]

nade probably

somehow

[tall torrent]

Highest I’ve ever gotten was 117 in 30s

[finite imp]

damn so close

[tall torrent]

Feel like I’d have to rely on teammates not killing as much stuff to get it

[finite imp]

play solo auric maelstrom

ez

[tall torrent]

Like, math wise it’s very tough to start with

Assuming you’re running a combat axe which kills 4 in one swing

120 in 30s means 4 every second

If the game actually spawns enough poxers close to u and nobody else is killing most of them I think it’s doable

[strange grove]

Any1 else love playing Zeteran?

(melee veteran)

[bitter turtle]

considering its better than marksman builds

im sure plenty are

[crude fiber]

Zealot flamer or flame nades could make that a lot easier

[finite imp]

i think that could happen with a horde clear spec devil claw

in a DENSE horde

[tall torrent]

If it’s perfect spec rampage + SS then I think it could?

[finite imp]

swing high, hit heads, avoid armor

[tall torrent]

But so far the best horde killer is BM combat axe in my experience

[finite imp]

but it would need to be like

[odd sparrow]

love me shout, revolver, power sword build

[finite imp]

a horde that you're in for that entire 30s

[tall torrent]

That still depends like if u get a ton of Dreg bruiser spawns in a horde then DC just does way less dmg with cleave

[finite imp]

right im not talking bruisers

thats carapace armor

which is why i said avoid armor

it would need to be a crisp

clean

poxwalker horde

[tall torrent]

If it’s just poxers in like damnation hi int with no teammates around u to kill horde, I think it’s doable

I have no idea how I got to 117

[finite imp]

MAYBE could be easier if you actually used the pox walker perk lmao

probably naded a horde you were chopping

[crude fiber]

Do you only play vet? Could have happened on another character

[finite imp]

that tends to jump those kills up

[tall torrent]

I definitely did not do that on another character

My ogryn doesn’t kill dense hordes as fast
I don’t run combat axe on zealot (I use crusher or heavy sword)
I played flame Psyker for a while but that doesn’t rly kill as fast cuz soulblaze takes time to build

[serene sage]

The game hates me

19/20
56/60
39/40

I will never play this game again

:^)

[slow spade]

just don't be unlucky lmao

[finite imp]

But think about all the penances you DID get

These are just the ones that got narrowly filtered

[serene sage]

What is a corruptor?

For something in the eye

Is that the fucking objective thing?

[idle carbon]

yes, ones with the giant yellow eye

[crude fiber]

Could have been heavy sword zealot, that's real good hoard clear

[serene sage]

Like the thing that pops out after the tendrils were killed?

[idle carbon]

yes

[finite imp]

An abomination of an idea that asks 3 entire people to actually play objectives

[serene sage]

They want you to waste a box on that?

Whoever designed these achievements have shit for brain

[finite imp]

Yes

Achievements should occur organically from playing the game WELL

FROM PLAYING IT GOOD

[crude fiber]

1 time yeah, not the end of the world. Plus isn't it able to be done in any difficulty?

[serene sage]

More like generally

[crude fiber]

Not to defend their penance system cause some of them definitely suck

[serene sage]

Whoever designed them needs to reconsider what they call "fun"

[finite imp]

Designing an achievement that actively trolls the rest of the team

[misty quest]

Three whole ass people?

[tall torrent]

I mostly used heavy atks which still come out slower than combat axe light spam

[finite imp]

That is hilarious

[misty quest]

Thats a lot of people

[finite imp]

3 whole grain people

[serene sage]

That's like 2 more than yourself

[finite imp]

More or less

[serene sage]

Which is basically infinite

[crude fiber]

Yall know you can shoot the other spots to break them right? I've almost never seen anyone do that in game

Hopefully you won't have a slow ranged weapon though

[tribal tangle]

Is volatile 4 good on plasma?

or any of the tiers

[crude fiber]

Is that the faster charge at low heat?

[finite imp]

Less

[tall torrent]

Low tier blessing

[serene sage]

You know we like to complain right?

[crude fiber]

I've noticed

[serene sage]

And now you have complained about us complaining

[misty quest]

Complaining helps build agency on my issues

[serene sage]

Welcome to the club

[untold mulch]

Is Vet chat

Gotta keep accurate with any force, complain about everything

[misty quest]

If you have an echo chamber

[crude fiber]

Most are valid complaints but they're all easily solvable

[misty quest]

Even better

[finite imp]

Beep boop bop you humans and your silly emotions craving vindications for common inconsequentialities. Wanting to relate to each other's struggles. I'll be overe here in the corner being the life at the party.

[untold mulch]

Sounds like Abominable Intelligence talk

[finite imp]

Correct. My existence is heretical

[crude fiber]

Oh God your echo chambering berating me for giving solutions

[serene sage]

Me at the slightest inconvenience

[finite imp]

We already know the solutions you dingus.we just don't like them

Lmao

[untold mulch]

REAL

[finite imp]

Some times people just wanna vent

It's normal

[crude fiber]

"But your my most competent quickplayer"

[finite imp]

God I wish

[serene sage]

I have 50% win rate in the last 10 games

I'm basically washed

[finite imp]

Even today I'm running into pubbies in their own little isolated world outplaying me

[serene sage]

I can't do this no more

I just can't

I'm playing Chaos Gate instead

[finite imp]

Because while I'm on the discord, they're studying the blade

[serene sage]

And stare at the hot assassins

[untold mulch]

I stopped playing period kek

got Halo 2 that is at 2 bucks and was coop funny

[crude fiber]

I love that studying the knife meme

[serene sage]

Come play Chaos Gate

[finite imp]

KNIFE

[serene sage]

We have dudes in full armor

And demons

And cultist

And hot assassins

[finite imp]

https://tenor.com/view/knife-%26-knife-set-gif-3150893542691614858

What my inventory looks like

[tall torrent]

If they release a Damascus-patterned knife skin I would buy it

Even though I’m not very good with knife

[finite imp]

A knife for every occasion, dinners, weddings, inlaws

[serene sage]

It makes little sense to me why they focus so much on character skins

When weapon skins are so much easier to make

[tall torrent]

We need more weapon skins

[finite imp]

Anything knife related I'll buy

[serene sage]

And you actually see the damn thing

[tall torrent]

Give me custom model plasma and helbore

[finite imp]

https://tenor.com/view/slow-down-pump-the-brakes-stop-chill-out-gif-20087795

[serene sage]

Look at CS2 for example

[serene sage]

Seriously

[finite imp]

Don't say that outloud

[tall torrent]

Give me custom model DC sword

[finite imp]

All the mods will come in and be like OKAY

[serene sage]

I wonder if this is a Game Workshop thing

[finite imp]

And then next update is just skij spam

[serene sage]

Where they don't let FS do more skins

For lore reasons

[finite imp]

I don't think so. I feel like they have very little to do with it given how much goofy ass freedom total war got

That game just made shit up

Non stop

[serene sage]

Then again we already have literal death row prisoners cosplaying as rogue traders, various guard regiments so I don't see why not

Not like a rainbow glow plasma would break the lore lol

[tall torrent]

Dude we literally have killed more BoN than the entire grey knights chapter

If GW actually cared abt lore consistency BoN just wouldn’t be a boss in this game

[white minnow]

now to segue as to why cat ears are fine

[crude ermine]

Well you see

[serene sage]

Chaos Spawns as well. And we eat those for breakfast.

[crude ermine]

Cat ears are defined into the felinids, whom something something something something something something something something something something something, something something something something

Which is why cat ears could work

[white minnow]

so true

[crude fiber]

I dont see my character in missions unless I'm interacting with another player. I'm staring at my weapons the whole game. Give me earnable weapon skins

[serene sage]

I guess there could be varying power levels for Chaos Spawns?

[tall torrent]

Chaos spawns get blown into kingdom come in like 8 seconds lol

[finite imp]

Just play space marine 2 and pretend your reject was chosen

Ez

[grim widget]

mkiv or mkxiiig chainsword right now?

[hearty panther]

iv

[tall torrent]

I much prefer CS4

CS13g is really goofy

[hearty panther]

the 13g could be so good

its so close

[finite imp]

I just use a regular toothbrush

[tall torrent]

What would u change abt it

[finite imp]

Oh you meant for killing heretics

[hearty panther]

a lot

[gaunt hinge]

grey knights probably kill more loyalists than traitors

[hearty panther]

mostly just the combos

[tall torrent]

lol same I feel like it’s lacking in a lot of things

[serene sage]

Considering how we chew through various enemies, I would put us at Primarch level

[tall torrent]

The moveset is so cursed

[hearty panther]

but a lot of them

[serene sage]

Chaos SMs aren't shit

[hearty panther]

also the h1 is just slow af for no reason

[finite imp]

I want power claws ngl

[hearty panther]

especially when h2 is so snappy

[serene sage]

Ehh they retconned a lot of it at least.

[finite imp]

If they dropped power claws I'd put down the knife

[serene sage]

GKs are a lot less friendly killy now

[untold mulch]

I mean

If they are Plague Marines there is a significant amount of shit

[gaunt hinge]

we're about to un-kill the emperor of mankind next week you'll see

[untold mulch]

With the Rift in the galaxy, trying to keep Chaos 100% hidden is non-viable

[tall torrent]

CS13g is just so weird

[grim widget]

@tall torrentwhat is weird about the moveset?

[serene sage]

And whose fault is that?

[hearty panther]

it doesnt flow

[untold mulch]

DAMN CADIANS

[crude fiber]

Are power gauntlets a thing? Like thunder hammer brass knuckles?

[untold mulch]

[hearty panther]

only light spam feels good

[serene sage]

Damn right

[untold mulch]

Light for horde

Heavy Rev for carapace/elite killing

[untold mulch]

[tall torrent]

It has no easy access to a heavy sweep so you have to run wrath to proc rampage with light attacks

It doesn’t have as good single target moveset as CS4 (which is L1 + Push ATK + L4 + L1)

It somehow has less damage per tick in a Rev attack (the ticks before the final big dmg hit)

And it has no cohesive horde clear moveset that only comprises of vanguard atks

Also it has the same finesse multi as CS4 which means your weakpoint & crit dmg bonuses are very very mid

[hearty panther]

but it has all the pieces to be amazing

[tall torrent]

80% finesse caps out at 1.1x

[hearty panther]

which is very sad

[tall torrent]

It needs just better moveset

Rn it’s almost as cursed as Mk4 tac axe

Real shame too because CS13g model looks really cool

[gaunt hinge]

thats the blue one right

[tall torrent]

Yea blue one with the funny looking tip at the end

[frank ether]

yea its just bizarre

[gaunt hinge]

yeah looks cool, blows ass

[untold mulch]

I feel it being fine?

Like it was weird at beginning

[tall torrent]

I have no idea what CS13g is supposed to be good at because CS4 outperforms it in like every metric except light spam with wrath + rampage

[untold mulch]

but once I got used to it

[crude fiber]

What about the obscures or whatever force sword with its uppercut swing

[untold mulch]

Maybe thats why I feel is good

Because I run exactly that way

[tall torrent]

But it still doesn’t make it “great” yk cuz a proper DC sword will still beat it in horde cleave

[untold mulch]

Counter point

Why tf would I use a normal ass sword

I get it

[gaunt hinge]

parry the planet

[tall torrent]

The other counterpoint is that CS4 can get away without wrath

Because you have easy access to a sweep heavy which procs rampage

[grim widget]

bloodletter and shred?

[tall torrent]

Even on scab bruisers

[untold mulch]

Got too used to that one

And my will to reroll any shop weapon is null

[tall torrent]

I like bloodletter + rampage on CS4

[untold mulch]

Already spent 2 days trying to get Shred for my Zealot

any kind of shred

Got one, was fun

Don't want to play anymore between the absolute silence and the absolute pain in the ass that is trying to find new weapons

[tall torrent]

Bloodletter with CS4 gives a few nice breakpoints on top of decent ish boss dps

CS4 with bloodletter can one Rev heavy mauler

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985983134275366943/1201449770024194058/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2024.01.29_-_03.51.49.02.mp4?ex=65c9dc4b&is=65b7674b&hm=b1f14a109a341bbb85eb97e27a164849e6707e4bb750035d921872f6e8d0da76&

[frank ether]

It has like fast strikedown heavies but if I wanted that playstyle I'd just get chaxe 12 with thrust

that one revs on heavies, chsword doesnt

I'm just generally confused around chswords but new one is especially bizarre

[tall torrent]

U could also just play chainaxe12 with slaughterer + headtaker which somehow has more or less the same horde performance as CS13g

[frank ether]

the fast revs of chaxes come very useful against elites and specials

since you can actually use them in a pinch without having to rev the weapon

[untold mulch]

I wish the damage ramped

instead of being bad bad bad amazing

[frank ether]

I very rarely use special attack on chaxe aswell

[tall torrent]

If they swap CS13g L1 with H3 so all light atks are sweeps, then change the 3 heavy atks to chain rip enemies then it could have some use

[frank ether]

the self stun on rev attacks will never feel good

with the rev + charge heavy + self stun

its too long of a time lost

[tall torrent]

That’s why I use bloodletter on CS4 now for more flexibility

[gaunt hinge]

they just need to make revs instant

[frank ether]

I'd take instant revs

like press a button and it does the attack

[frank ether]

I've just been using knife instead with shredders thrown in there to ramp up bleeds faster

[gaunt hinge]

and then indefinitely extend rev activation and change rev it up so i dont need to fucking press the button again every 2 seconds

[frank ether]

rev it up is weird

its not good

[gaunt hinge]

i like moving 20% faster, used it for a long time on eviscerator

[frank ether]

I get the idea behind it, just think the baseline weapon is not good enough to justify QoL blessings

especially one that niche

cause most enemies you want to rev already run up to you

you'll only want to move faster to reach gunners and the like

[crude fiber]

maybe attack speed boost after landing a revved attack instead of movement speed would be good

[gaunt hinge]

how about both

[frank ether]

and why would I want to rev for a gunner or shotgunner

[tall torrent]

I think CS4 is a pretty balanced weapon in that it does its function well:

• it kills hordes well enough (not as good as DC but better than chainaxe)
• it has good direct dmg on most enemies (better than DC but not as good as chainaxe)
• it doesn’t need melee investment to do well

[frank ether]

its fine but its rev is also questionable besides being easy to understand and use

[tall torrent]

Bloodletter makes rev way better

[frank ether]

Probably should have been baseline

[untold mulch]

quite a fair few blessings should have been a baseline feature

[gaunt hinge]

man i miss when bloodletter applied a morbillion stacks on the eviscerator

[frank ether]

Eviscerators have some

really good attack chains

[gaunt hinge]

i would just activate, run slide at people and heavy attack

and move on

[tall torrent]

Evicerators at least have comprehensible combos

[frank ether]

I dont put 1/10th the effort using evisc versus chsword

[gaunt hinge]

it oneshot bruisers like that

[tall torrent]

I have no idea what CS13g combo is supposed to be

[junior needle]

spam light attacks for clear

Use heavies for rev

Simple as

[hollow ibex]

What moveset do you use for hordes?

[tall torrent]

That’s the funniest thing because it actually doesn’t do as much dmg as CS4 rev heavy in most applications because the dmg in the rev ticks is lower

[gaunt hinge]

why

[tall torrent]

If u don’t have cleave blessings I’d suggest H1 + H2 + L3 + H2 repeat

[hollow ibex]

Hmm aight I had just been spamming heavies lol

[tall torrent]

The H2 + L3 in the middle are near horizontal perfect sweeps

And those 2 come out pretty fast

[untold mulch]

pretty much what I do

[tall torrent]

H2 can vary between diagonal and horizontal based on what atk chains into it

[junior needle]

Yeah I noticed the weird difference in the sawing, I wonder if it's an oversight

[dawn garnet]

Oh... ok.

[tall torrent]

Here https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985983134275366943/1201994291698999306/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2024.01.30_-_15.55.19.01.mp4?ex=65cbd76b&is=65b9626b&hm=7de179000cdfb68568afcaf1448f234f6fc36396b37e483412c7aa4949f2a067&

[hollow ibex]

Yeah that looks very good for hordes

[tall torrent]

U have 3 atks that can proc rampage, they just don’t come out as fast as light spam

[hollow ibex]

I'll prob fuck it up in the middle of bad situations though

[dawn garnet]

is that mark 4?

[tall torrent]

Yea

[dawn garnet]

1L1H right?

[tall torrent]

No

H1 + H2 + L3 + H2

That’s if u don’t have cleave blessings and only have rampage

[untold mulch]

I only can go by subjective feeling, but I feel with wrath and rampage I can jump into the middle of a horde with CS13g and come out unscathed

Perhaps skill isue with CS4

[tall torrent]

CS4 has L4 overhead which is goofier with wrath

However if I wanted a solid horde clear weapon I just don’t want overheads at all and CS13g still has L1 overhead

[untold mulch]

L1 overhead is annoying, but is very quick to shift to L2

[tall torrent]

What they could have done alternatively

Swap H3 with H1

Have H1 (replaced by H3) + L2 + L3 + L3 combo for horde clear

So u have sweeps all the time

Then when u press rev it uses H2 as default

Like how mk3 shovel has H2 strikedown but when folded it only uses H2, not H1

[gaunt hinge]

just give it the poggers devil claw moveset

[frank ether]

thats cool, meanwhile eviscerator player spamming lights non stop lmao

[tall torrent]

Mk15 evicerator is just braindead moveset

Perfect for the avg zealot player

[frank ether]

yee

chaxe is also fairly straightforward on zealot

[tall torrent]

It is so simple it makes combat axes look complex

[frank ether]

cos you make up for any weakness it has with zealot talent set

built in slaughterer, gapcloser spam

[tall torrent]

Wait what built-in slaughterer

[frank ether]

dont they have a talent giving power on kill

was it power on hit

[tall torrent]

Huh?

[serene sage]

I'm so proud, I stopped a petty thievery today

[frank ether]

let me look it up

[tall torrent]

Sustained assault is +4% dmg on hit 5 stacks

20% total

[junior needle]

headtaker you're thinking of

[tall torrent]

Pretty sure that one is not +power

[frank ether]

oh sorry thats

melee damage

[tall torrent]

They have built-in headtaker

[frank ether]

still

[junior needle]

Oh whoops, wrong quote

[frank ether]

it does free up a blessing slot for you

where you can slap bleed if you want

[junior needle]

The cat council is discussing important matters

[frank ether]

vewy impawtant

[tall torrent]

[frank ether]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-blind-speech-bubble-distracted-gif-25553623

[strange grove]

https://tenor.com/view/banecat-gif-14863343921462878839

Can Banecat join?

[finite imp]

Best cat I got

[terse idol]

I'll raise you my joy

[placid portal]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/738972582304546818/1132803020422397962/1672661213073883137.gif

Ogryns when the vet runs field provisions

"Here big man, you can these grenades"

[frank ether]

what a goober

https://tenor.com/view/violent-gif-23614728

[frank ether]

https://tenor.com/view/chess-gif-23215106

[short vapor]

Chainsword has better crowd damage than DClaw.

[near sable]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-chat-cat-fall-hello-chat-cat-gif-24961178

[frank ether]

https://tenor.com/view/cheese-challenge-cat-fall-off-table-taking-a-tumble-cheese-on-head-gif-14154057

[late hatch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/368907824404627457/1111751154368520252/image0.gif

[frank ether]

https://tenor.com/view/orangecat-akward-gif-22046213

[sonic marlin]

dude..

[tall torrent]

Bricked

[terse idol]

deeath

[zealous wyvern]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/708434228349763696/820831804537176084/980x.gif

thank you for giving me that gif back, my saved one apparently died

gifs sometimes disappear

[near sable]

https://tenor.com/view/the-uncanny-cat-curse-uncanny-cat-curse-canny-vs-uncanny-cat-canny-cat-vs-uncanny-cat-gif-469557507002947335

[frank ether]

very sadge I know

https://tenor.com/view/cat-trapped-kitten-speech-bubble-gif-25553629

[late hatch]

https://tenor.com/view/kotique-cat-tongue-cat-lick-gif-20076599

[zealous wyvern]

i just had to give one back

i do not plan on spamming this chat with cat gifs

[soft blade]

https://tenor.com/view/and-god-taketh-away-god-byeah-gif-9373129285821780002

[near sable]

https://tenor.com/view/kitten-blanket-punching-angry-gif-10848519859414615034

[frank ether]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1093978367159717991.gif?size=64

[soft blade]

https://tenor.com/view/giygas-cat-melon-cat-psychotic-gif-25770926

[terse idol]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitten-kitty-yeet-funny-gif-21938191

[near sable]

https://tenor.com/view/kitty-burrito-burrito-gif-27664931

[late hatch]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cats-kitten-cute-hole-gif-16790852

[short abyss]

Veterinarian-class

[soft blade]

https://tenor.com/view/plink-cat-plink-cat-gif-1794292671885121408

[near sable]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-roll-out-transformers-cat-roll-cat-summersault-cat-roll-guanabana-gif-5822588012989863064

[soft blade]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-27443459

[frank ether]

https://imgur.com/iP1vxpN

[soft blade]

https://tenor.com/view/dnce-gif-14762310134329663850

[sonic marlin]

yeah i know, i'm mad its shit when it has bm 4

Grimoire corruption applies to whole team? Not just the person who picks it up?

Also how is it possible that I take dmg to hp while I still have toughness

[frank ether]

all team gets corrupt

[sonic marlin]

bruh

shit feature

[frank ether]

yes

[short abyss]

You don't get hp damage from melee if you have max toughness (unless Crusher out damages it)
You will get both toughness and hp damage from melee if your toughness is not maxed (kinda like armour in doom)

[late hatch]

grims should be a special mission, and grab 16 grims or w.e it is should be deleted from milkman quests

[sonic marlin]

god thats shit

[short abyss]

However you won't get damaged by ranged attacks until you have toughness

[sonic marlin]

thanks for clarifying

[short abyss]

Np

[faint perch]

the plasma gun is pretty sweet

[short abyss]

It is

[sonic marlin]

how does your look

[faint perch]

could be better

but still pretty spicy

@sonic marlin

[near sable]

https://tenor.com/view/judgement-cat-cat-angry-cat-cat-face-cat-forehead-gif-4731341898773190051

[sonic marlin]

I'll probably change to blaze away too

just maxed another one

i wanna have it all maxed tbh

gonna take forever to have a perfect one

honestly i thought about getting rid of gets hot and keeping gloryhunter and blaze away since i always cool it down when i can