veteran-class

[sonic marlin]

first game with the plasma

i'm usually first or second when it comes to total score

got this as a reward, kinda meh

i don't think ill use the plasma often, if ever

[stone dome]

Working on a weird Knife/shotgun build with focus on melee, is +10% rending important on knife or shotty? if so do i go for rending and Focus target or attack speed and weapon specialist?

Also is For the Emperor talent any good? Born leader seems more useful overall

[slow spade]

scoreboard user moment

[sonic marlin]

?

[sharp ember]

what that means

[sonic marlin]

i feel like a support class just there to kill elites

[slow spade]

"I wasn't the best player in the entire team because a number told me so"

[wanton dawn]

I mean...

It was not what he said

[slow spade]

"I'm usually top or second when it comes to total score"

kk lol

[sonic marlin]

pretty much what it means lmao

how can you be the best player if you have least kills and shit

[soft blade]

total score is a pretty shit metric from what i’ve heard

[wanton dawn]

Technically, score dont mean crap

[soft blade]

go by kills damage and all that

total score factors in a bunch of random unimportant factors iirc

[sonic marlin]

yeah but i still had lowest dmg

[fathom walrus]

I'm tempted to fall into chaos chasing this Make Every Shot Count penance...

[slow spade]

yeah total score means shit

and damage is a terrible metric

[wanton dawn]

Does not mean much without context

[stone dome]

It is, but people are addicted to this bs scoreboard since vermintide so what can you do

[wanton dawn]

Not a terrible metric though. Paddable, but not terrible

[stone dome]

it wasn't in the game on darktide launch and i was happy, but people complained and they added it lol

[soft blade]

it’s a mod

[stone dome]

there is a rudementary you killed this much thingy

[soft blade]

the total kills?

[wanton dawn]

Rudimentary is overselling it

[stone dome]

does it not show individual or am i insane at this point

(spoiler i could be)

[wanton dawn]

Not individuak

[slow spade]

indeed

[soft blade]

i’m like 80% sure you’re insane but idrk because i’ve played like a total of 2 games without scoreboard

[stone dome]

ok good

[sonic marlin]

idk what u guys are on about, it shows that im pretty shit with the plasma

[stone dome]

any help with this please? i am very divided on this

[slow spade]

considering how easy it is to use plasma

that's not really a better conclusion lol

[soft blade]

[gusty bison]

Dmg and kills are frankly irrelevant

Esp cos most of it is trash kills

[soft blade]

all i’m saying is don’t try to use total score to gauge performance

[slow spade]

as long as you're doing well on Specialists and Elite kills as well as keep "damage taken" low you're fine

[gusty bison]

The way u get most damage is by farming threatless mooks, running away from the team and (if you really are trying) screwing over ur teammates

[slow spade]

"omg guys I killed the most poxwalkers"

[gusty bison]

Most damage usually just indicates whoever is running into hordes first

[soft blade]

[gusty bison]

Or magdumping hordes

[slow spade]

"top player, MVP, that's me"

also you might want to adjust your scoreboard

its favoring certain stats more than it should it seems

the player with the highest damage taken by a lead of 400+ damage has the highest defense score lol

[sonic marlin]

'adjust' like I made the mod

[wanton dawn]

Yeah, imagine adjusting scoreboard

[umbral scaffold]

Plasma moment

[stone dome]

ffs here we go comparing plasma scoreboards

[umbral scaffold]

Yess

Plasmout complication

[sonic marlin]

how does ur setup look like

[slow spade]

god forbid you adjust mods to how you like them lmao

[slow spade]

would you prefer the traditional conversations in vet chat? UwU

[sonic marlin]

sure let me just turn off the 'most dmg taken means higher defense score' setting

[slow spade]

that's your problem not mine lol

[umbral scaffold]

Talents you mean?

[stone dome]

10% rend or 10% atk spd? i am still very torn on the matter

[stone dome]

prob wants to see the gun

[slow spade]

what blessings do you have on the knife?

knife can get tons of rending from the blessings

so just want to see what you're working with

[stone dome]

brittle on weakspot hits and weakspot dmg on bleed

[slow spade]

I assume Uncanny and Mercy Killer

with Uncanny, I forget the brittle cap but you should be fine with just that for rending

[stone dome]

mercy killer yes, dont remember the name of the other, away from pc

[slow spade]

I'd go with attack speed

[stone dome]

aight, thanks a ton!

[umbral scaffold]

Hehe, dude
There was nothing to look at it had Volatile lvl 2 and 25% dmg for flak armor

[slow spade]

yeah the 10% rending isn't even 1 stack of uncanny

[stone dome]

also how do you lot use the camo ability? agressively? defensively?

[stone dome]

yes, this

[slow spade]

so you're likely better off with just getting uncanny stacks faster

[umbral scaffold]

while i was playing the match

[slow spade]

obligatory use it to finish objectives and revive allies

but I often use it to position myself better for killing gunners or trappers

[stone dome]

was also asking because of the shotgun as you would usually want armour pen on a shotty

[slow spade]

I try to avoid using it to get behind enemy groups because it can get dicey but that's a case by case situation imo

[stone dome]

i see, so to close the distance and for the team, gotcha

[slow spade]

ah for shotgun definitely the +10% rending

unless you're using an Agripinaa shotgun

Agripinaa actually has really good armor pen besides carapace

[stone dome]

i see, welp ill just tryna replace the shotty with a revolver when i get a good sample of it

[slow spade]

wait nvm I'm stupid

shotguns have good armor pen???

bruh

[hard briar]

Why not just put on anyway

[stone dome]

this is uncanny as hell

[dusty sluice]

crit dmg to flak and ht to slaught?

[slow spade]

because you could get something like +30% weakspot damage or more nades etc etc

yeah apparently shotguns ignore most armor lol

[dusty sluice]

real?

[slow spade]

even flak is like 95% armor pen

[stone dome]

it does have good pen so i guess checks out

[slow spade]

yeah that's what I'd do, you could go for Unyielding if you hate bosses

[stone dome]

at least it's better than when it shot through everything and anything on release lol

[slow spade]

indeed lol, I see why Fatshark doesn't want to give them cleave lol

they have better armor pen than the autoguns and lasguns

[stone dome]

but why though

[slow spade]

memes

[stone dome]

we got the variant of lasguns that are a flashlight in the lore and not the variant that shoots through layers of armour

[slow spade]

meanwhile one of the most popular lasguns currently has around 50% damage vs flak lol

[soft blade]

agony

shotguns having 95% flak modifier is actually quite hilarious

mfw my 00 buckshot is more effective against armor than a laser

[slow spade]

indeed lol

[dusty sluice]

kant is probably one of my favourite weaps (this is my very silly one)

[slow spade]

I guess the only things holding back shotguns is just ammo efficiency

[sonic marlin]

gun, talents melee etc

[hollow ibex]

Not even that bad tbh

[dusty sluice]

ehhh

[hollow ibex]

Esp if you use special rounds a lot

[slow spade]

true, I suppose cleave is actually the thing holding it back

we need 100 cleave shotguns

[stone dome]

i still dont understand what the wording in no respite means exactly, all i know is stagger == good

[slow spade]

I've been thinking about getting a good shotgun one day

but man hadron pls....

[dusty sluice]

first 550 in 700hrs

[slow spade]

if you see the enemy flinch, your following shots will fuck them up

[hollow ibex]

Manstopper memes I guess lol

[dusty sluice]

Its not following shot

[slow spade]

brutal momentum for shotguns when?

[dusty sluice]

its that hit

[slow spade]

I meant more that your first shot will stagger then you just unload

is that not how it works?

[stone dome]

as in what does 'scaling with stagger' mean, isn't it already doing 20% on staggered enemies

[slow spade]

that part I'm not sure

[fathom walrus]

feels like if you miss one shot, you will not get Make Every Shot Count

[slow spade]

I wish it was clearer :c

[dusty sluice]

nope, it affects the shot that stuggers

[slow spade]

oh shit even better than I thought

[wary wharf]

Nice shotty! Still on the hunt for one myself. May Melk bless us

[dusty sluice]

so fire one shot and get the bouns on that shot

[slow spade]

I should probably put that on my lasguns

[hollow ibex]

Oh really? That's sweet

[slow spade]

trying to make "1-shot kill" lasguns for funsies

[dusty sluice]

ye, would be nice if full bore did that

[slow spade]

thanks for the info comrade c:

[dusty sluice]

:D

[slow spade]

now Hadron can steal more of my plasteel as I reforge my guns UwU

[dusty sluice]

it allows me to 1 hit both gunners from a pretty good distance

[hollow ibex]

It doesn't? I thought full bore damage bonus applied on the same shot

[stone dome]

may i have the bolter that mc in Boltgun uses to decimate 5 lords of change solo

[dusty sluice]

nah its for 5s after

[hollow ibex]

Ah right

[dusty sluice]

why does flechette have do be t2

ffs

[hollow ibex]

Because it sucks

[strange grove]

Yes and you can't use Hadron to get @ lvl 30 due to how blessings work. Crafting is def not finished

I keep checking brunts but its all T1 shit

[dusty sluice]

i'm going to have to create a new character

[hollow ibex]

I made a new character to farm for shit like that

[hollow ibex]

Exactly

[strange grove]

Oh well I like my awesomely rolled agri brauto, it makes me happy

[slow spade]

just be lucky uwU

Brunt has your back

[spiral epoch]

for columnus IAG, I've found deathsplitter actually stacks 5 times (missing in the description), is dumdum + firefrenzy than deathsplitter + FF considering this?

[dusty sluice]

whyyyyyy

[dusty sluice]

lucky

[slow spade]

iirc Kantreal has a 10% crit chance sadly

[strange grove]

❤️

[idle swallow]

melky boy occasionally has lv2 blessings

[dusty sluice]

its very silly with flame scattershot

[dusty sluice]

iv'e seen t3 twice in 700hrs

[serene sage]

flame scatter manstopper?

what do people run on kant anyway

i heard conflicting info

[slow sky]

im so amazed at what i sometimes get from random mission rewards
like this is literally perfectly usable with a few tweaks to the perks
could be way better, but could also be infinitely worse

[dusty sluice]

scattershot flehette

[serene sage]

no manstopper?

sadge

[strange grove]

Isnt that better for lawbringer special fire?

[serene sage]

i like infinite cleave meme UwU

[slow sky]

it is

[dusty sluice]

flame has infinte cleave

[serene sage]

oh

[slow sky]

but the bleed for the special shot does not

so it only bleeds on the actual direct hits of the special shot

so youre better off doing that combo with lawby

[serene sage]

so deadshot flechette manstopper?

manstopper scatter?

[dusty sluice]

you sure?

[serene sage]

what

[hollow ibex]

Can't mass stack flames and bleed sadly

[slow sky]

yes, i can show you if you want

[hollow ibex]

Bleeds only the first target hit

[dusty sluice]

ah, sad

also ye show

[serene sage]

so what do I use for Kant 😔

[slow spade]

I have stolen your shotgun for a budget one

[slow sky]

generalist kant is no respite fire frenzy

[serene sage]

nice but not a agri 😔

[slow spade]

yeah but fuck ogryns

[slow spade]

Hadron said no

wait...

I have a random Emperor's Gift that's actually pretty good

[serene sage]

poggie

no respite fullbore and change out carapace for maniac

and we rolling

pretend you have a bolter

[hollow ibex]

That's like a S tier roll for emperor's gift

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[dusty sluice]

this is my best eg (got it as a green playing with a new friend)

[serene sage]

13 | 6 | 2
them ammo though

[slow sky]

not the best visual demonstration, but you can see who has what debuff with the labels

[serene sage]

what gun did you use? please don't tell me it's recon

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[slow spade]

and I didn't even know where it came from lol

[serene sage]

yes you

[slow spade]

damn nice

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[slow spade]

I want to make a good heavy laspistol too one day

[serene sage]

you are on thin ice /j

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[slow spade]

"highest single target damage: 9987" bro hit them with the Emperor's Hammer

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[slow spade]

krak remaining kraked as always

[placid portal]

if grenades can crit that'd be hilarious

[slow spade]

ikr

[placid portal]

the Krak Epidemic has been affecting the Ogryns lately real hard

[slow spade]

I'm still holding out hope for a grenade keystone

indeed, i had a random get a 5 crusher kill with a single krak grenade

Emperor blessed his nade that day

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[placid portal]

real

[left zephyr]

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[placid portal]

Shredda is columnus but weaker

[left zephyr]

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[placid portal]

one advantage IAGs have over auto pistol

[left zephyr]

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[placid portal]

You can actually AIM

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[lavish dove]

aight im definitely a plasma gun enjoyer now

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[placid portal]

The sniper 30+m from the chokepoint

[lavish dove]

this thing is fire

[placid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-mewing-mewing-meme-think-thinking-gif-8986451654826218658

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[placid portal]

Can't trust em

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[placid portal]

never trust teammates

[slow spade]

make gun whose only weakness is low ammo efficiency -> add ammo regen and +25% ammo talent

UwU

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[placid portal]

Cutthroat vet was right

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[lavish dove]

i take those nodes ye, the only thing vs the revolver i miss is the movement speed seems a bit slow but i just sawp to melee to move fast now

i love how you can just keep firing it tho 😄

[slow spade]

yeah you only have 2 dodges with plasma

you can really fuck yourself if you dodge with plasma too much

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[lavish dove]

haha xD

[placid portal]

You could still dodge boolets even without dodge count no?

[slow spade]

just don't do charged shots

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[slow spade]

not melee though :c

[lavish dove]

ye i just light pewpew most times

i need to learn when to use charged

[placid portal]

Tru

[serene sage]

We need a gun that's stronger the lower the ammo

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[serene sage]

So we can justify shooting horde

[placid portal]

Just give us a laslock

[slow spade]

the Vet experience

[lavish dove]

yea i like you can delete snipers at any range, tho i could do that with revolveri suppose

[serene sage]

No I'm not shooting horde, I'm stacking my damage buff

[lavish dove]

xD

[slow spade]

Martyrdom Vet Uwu

[serene sage]

ADS should bring you to block stance UwU

[slow spade]

deadshot now actively griefing your team Uwu

[serene sage]

Deadshot now grants 100% crit chance

Friendly fire activated

[slow spade]

don't tempt them

[digital walrus]

power sword + old revolver + voice of command + rending/grenadier? gawdayum is this the meta now?

[slow spade]

Martyrdom Zealots are already pain

[slow spade]

na that's a throw build

everyone uses shredder pistols

[flint lake]

Old meme

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[dawn garnet]

is there a comprehensive guide for this class or just "more gun more bullet"

[tacit wren]

you generally want a counter weapon

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[tacit wren]

so a weapon that is high rate of fire, high ammo, long range etc will be weak against crushers, etc. so get a chainaxe or chain sword or power sword

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[serene sage]

There's no such guide

If you ask a specific question you'll probably get some decent answers though

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[tacit wren]

I generally find you can't go wrong testing a build with a chain sword

[serene sage]

Psyker has an outdated one I think

[tacit wren]

If you need higher single target damage against bulwarks, crushers, etc try the chain axe

what you don't want is to get swarmed and or overwhelmed by a high crusher spawn if you run out of ammo or need to reload

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[tacit wren]

the shovels are great too , albeit less glamarous

[dawn garnet]

ye i got yelled at for saying that vet is a class for people who played call of duty and dont wanna bother with theory crafting i dont think im that far off tho

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[tacit wren]

What gun, specifically?

The mk v columnus or braced autorifle?

or a lasgun?

[dawn garnet]

I will see you lads in 20 levels once i have enough talent points to bother with a build shoot straight keep a knife at hand etc

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[tall torrent]

You’re very far off actually

Vet is like the one class where nobody agrees with each other enough to form a guide

[wanton dawn]

Imagine going into a no ammo modifier with a fucking mgia

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[tacit wren]

I would suggest the power sword for horde clear and for some strength against heavier armored stuff

[wanton dawn]

I am mad

for no good reason

I should be mad at the guy leaving a maelstrom at the 3 min mark and leaving us hanging

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[tacit wren]

I like the columnus

[strange grove]

im close to just dodging lobbies when I see a recon las

[untold mulch]

Is so painful

I had a match yesterday

[tacit wren]

It

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[untold mulch]

Then I hear a full auto las from my side

I instnatly go

oh no

[strange grove]

this guy took all the ammo, just held down LMB and only did 100k damage

[soft blade]

oh god oh fuck

[dawn garnet]

you dont have to agree to write a guide just like the psyker one list out what everything does explain brakepoints and give recommendations. the psyker guide talks about rifles even though almost no one uses them

[tacit wren]

interesting....I like what the recon is capable of

[finite imp]

@serene sage ye

Didn't mean to tag

Whoops

[untold mulch]

Is very caapble

[tacit wren]

I use a recon lasgun with crit modifiers to not use ammo and the auro for ammo, so not a lot of ammo drain

[untold mulch]

it can turn an easy run

into no ammo modifier

[soft blade]

[finite imp]

Just needed to change my serve avy

[soft blade]

guess what idiot my laser pointer needs more batteries takes all the ammo

[strange grove]

dude took 17 ammo pouches and somehow did extreme terrible damage

[tacit wren]

I'm talking Vld torrent over the Vlla rapid fire though

probably had the wrong build

or was scared to melee

[soft blade]

goooooood looooooord man

[strange grove]

Oh I just noticed that pysker took like no damage entire match, props to that person

[untold mulch]

Gib all ammo

Renounce all ammo

[serene sage]

lol let's judge an entire player base because they... didn't write a guide for you?
the entitlement
some how you didnt even bother to learn to spell "breakpoints" correctly

you deserved to get yelled at

[severe finch]

3 quick questions
1 are the vet laspistols good if so which is "better"
2 depending on what the answer is to 1 what are some good blessings to look for
3 what are good blessings for the Lucius MK 2 Helbore

[strange grove]

I dont play vet, I play Zeteran, melee ftw

[untold mulch]

Laspistol full crit is good, the normal one

The heaviest one feels tacked on

[severe finch]

so the mk2 not the mk X

[untold mulch]

And the blessings are better for it

[untold mulch]

DumDum for starter as blessing

[bleak jackal]

which one is better?

[untold mulch]

the 2nd one, hmmm, honestly I almost say to your liking?

[soft blade]

1 original one

2 dum dum and the other one idk

3 Onslaught and Surgical

[untold mulch]

I want Ghost? the one immunity to ranged fire for a sec for my Zealot

[severe finch]

ight thanks klepto

[untold mulch]

First one by a long mile

[serene sage]

for 3. get Brutal Momentum

[sharp ember]

i like the mkx because it consistently drops smaller enemies in 1 headshot, and lasts longer with Deadshot because of the slower but stronger firerate

[bleak jackal]

can you elaborate?

[soft blade]

the X is definitely solid

i just prefer the original one

[serene sage]

opening salvo is a semi meme

that's about it I think

[untold mulch]

No 🗿

Stopping power very much superior (which affects armor % through)

Better Perks, Carapace is not good for MK12
Headhunter and Deadly Accurate reinforces what you should be doing.

[bleak jackal]

thanks

[strange grove]

I agree with Corsnake, use 1st one

[soft blade]

1st by a mile for the reasons corsnake laid out

[severe finch]

guess the next question id have is shovels which one and what would i want on it

[soft blade]

uh kinda depends because the new ones are more anti armor while the original is anti horde

[untold mulch]

With shovels I am lost

Disliked them sadly

[terse idol]

Left

[bleak jackal]

which stats should i look for?

high = better?

[terse idol]

Lasgun doesn't need carapace

And you want deadly accurate and head hunter

[severe finch]

i have anti armor with my gun but id like a balanced option if possible

[untold mulch]

MK3 to my understanding, can do some horde clear with Decimator

[terse idol]

Well naturally

[untold mulch]

I personally didn't like it

[terse idol]

But the best blessings for lasgun is HH and DA

And you want flak

To shoot scab gunners good

[bleak jackal]

cool thanks frens

[soft blade]

prolly go mk3 or mk7 with thrust and decimator

[untold mulch]

Thrust and the alternative hit

cna almost one shot crushers

can if you build correctly

[soft blade]

yeah the alt attack is pretty hilarious

[untold mulch]

But I need my horde clear sadly

[soft blade]

horde clear is okayish

[untold mulch]

PUGs suck at horde clearing

I need to do the Zealot job

[severe finch]

again thanks been looking to mix up my vet and try new things so i have been looking for options

[soft blade]

[untold mulch]

8 times out of ten I am carving a melee path while the Zealot is screaming against 3 pox

[soft blade]

yeah pubs will do that to a man

[untold mulch]

Every man for themsleves

just on a few matches sporadically today

I got a burster exploded at melee range

because an idiot in PUG couldn't stop a second

[hollow ibex]

Gotta pump up those damage numbers

( against teammates)

[untold mulch]

I am content as long as I keep oscillating on the 100 offense score

then there is those matches where I am casually reaching 200 because no one is doing jackshit

My hands after a T5 hi in with underleveled PUG

https://tenor.com/view/green-mile-im-tired-boss-michael-clarke-duncan-gif-16875499

I need to getr KEEP SWINGING mod for my hands health

[umbral scaffold]

veteran plasma gun on auric maelstrom with scab only no ammo pickups https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1201695342513365102/1202387942929342485/20240131150002_1.jpg?ex=65cd4608&is=65bad108&hm=12d25d1f69bec6cdacebacf1c862548fea2964b36e9650e083736d60cd3cce5c&

[untold mulch]

1149k damage holy shit

[soft blade]

fat

holy

[untold mulch]

600k has been my tops

Still yet to play Auric because I want to reserve my first run in it for Hellgun

Any day Fatshark

[strange grove]

dat overkill doe

[untold mulch]

Homie overkilling what other 2 were doing in damage

Tbf, Plasma is very easy to overkill

[idle swallow]

auric qp is just always hi-intensity something so its not too different if you already comfy on normal damnnation

just ya know be ready for a fight

[soft blade]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-gif-25307361

[umbral scaffold]

is this a good base weapon? ima try to get dum dum and fire frenzy

[untold mulch]

I am comfy in Normal damnation

but no gun yet I have fun

Which imo is personal issue

I am too weird with gun feel for me to like one

if the sound-visual-effect doesn't click, I barely use 🤣

[hollow ibex]

Eh

Pre bricked with low ammo and damage

[untold mulch]

Ignoring the stats, perks and blessings are trash

[faint perch]

I have never broken 250k

[hollow ibex]

Yeah prebricked. F in chat

[untold mulch]

F

[serene sage]

1M is very achievable on Plasma against Scab no ammo

[slow spade]

just kill people c:

[serene sage]

I get like 850-900k consistently if in playing that modifier

1M is possible if I'm try harding

[untold mulch]

[slow spade]

imagine "only" getting 1 million lol

[zealous wyvern]

he gives off joker goon vibes

[slow spade]

sorry we're trying to aurics not sedition 💅

[wanton dawn]

Imagine never getting 1m overkill dmg

[finite imp]

It's important to have a weapon you love 🗡️

[zealous wyvern]

auric missions call for shocktroop material

[untold mulch]

HEY HEY don't mess with Green Mile film 🗿

That guy is a sweetheart that deserved better

[finite imp]

I'm tired boss

[untold mulch]

🥹

[finite imp]

Absolutely sobbing and throwing up

[untold mulch]

Too pure for this cursed earth

[wanton dawn]

Now tbf I am starting to see huge overkill dmg again

[zealous wyvern]

why is there not a single gif of a hellgun

this is horrible

[wanton dawn]

I think my current build with be close to 1m overkill if i ever reach 1m on it

[zealous wyvern]

i played 3 missions today and failed 2 due to daemonhosts

[untold mulch]

There isa fan one I have that someone in this chat did a long time ago (sorry buddy I always forget your name)

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/747825334967074832/886295240401621022/1623486312.delta-ace_guardsmengoespewpew.gif

[slow spade]

ironic, for me I had 2 missions today where I joined after a daemonhost wiped most of the team lol

[zealous wyvern]

no joiners in mine

everyone stayed

[slow spade]

rip :c

[zealous wyvern]

good men

[slow spade]

oh damn nice

[zealous wyvern]

died for the Imperium

[wanton dawn]

Hey, I did reach 1m with this build already ! Though it was a 50min game on vault so I do not count it

I hate vault 50 min game

[finite imp]

Tbh joining a fucked game because someone fear quit and then scraping the team off the pavement and dragging them into a win is so powerful feeling

[zealous wyvern]

and if you happen to fail

you get free rewards

2 minutes for a few thousand, ill take it

[finite imp]

It's a win win tbh

[serene sage]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-lies-deception-everyday-more-gif-18108988

[zealous wyvern]

no

im serious

you get like 5k dockets

a bit of plasteel

its good

[serene sage]

More like 1 min queue 3 mins load screen 2 mins play time 1.5 mins post game board (if the space button doesn't work) 2 mins load screen again.

It's NOT good

[crude fiber]

It's always so disappointing when your doing well and someone goofs during a hoard/special wave and aggressive a demon host

[zealous wyvern]

my loadscreen into a started game takes roughly 30 seconds....

[umbral scaffold]

ninjas will see you do over a million damage and say "he got most overkill tho"

[zealous wyvern]

my queue time is usually 10 seconds

[terse idol]

Its just funny to me when you play the first 5 min of a mission, people die and a guy leaves

[zealous wyvern]

when the team is so clapped i cant save it, the playtime is NOT 2 minutes

more like 30 seconds

[terse idol]

And you just kinda manage to stabilize and do an easy win 😌

[zealous wyvern]

then loadscreen back out

takes like 1 minutes

so alright ill say about 3 minutes

still good

[serene sage]

Nuh uh 😔

Fine, 5 minutes, not 2

Take it or leave it

[glacial yacht]

just gone thrown on top of the map by a chaos spawn

[strange grove]

Let me know if the Hive City has a Red Lobster

[serene sage]

I will also settle for Olive Garden

[stiff merlin]

When?

also

How'd I do? Someone was recommending Lucius Mk I a while ago

[untold mulch]

No clue, I found the GIF years ago, and later in this discord coincidentally used it at the same time he was here

[shadow aurora]

Not great

[untold mulch]

Now I feel a bit bad of forgetting who was

my head sucks at remembering names

[stiff merlin]

I mean, gib hellgun

[untold mulch]

Oof, onslaught is the only good thing

[untold mulch]

HOpefully we geet one soonish

Catfish half joked about it around november/december

[zealous wyvern]

3:30

that is my last offer

[slow spade]

Fatshark uses their power to force Rogue Trader to remove all their hotshot guns Uwu

[misty quest]

thats ok i moved on from hellgun to dual glocks

[stiff merlin]

I wouldn't mind some more pistols, though mostly because the gun psyker art in the psyker talent tree seems to look a lot cool than what I can right now

[slow spade]

Psyker could use more staffs

4 staffs since release lol

[stiff merlin]

is it the damage and stopping power or the perks, because the perks is what I noticed first as not being ideal

[untold mulch]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[shadow aurora]

Stats are fine its just that stam and infurnus are useless and cc isnt great

[finite imp]

Really fucking annoying how basically only 2 or 3 perks are worth getting. BUFF THE PERKS

[sharp ember]

+8% poxwalkers and groaners is so good

[finite imp]

Like if you don't have flak or maniac or something? Bricked. It's fucked. Trash. Useless.

[umbral scaffold]

is cmkv good on vet?

[shadow aurora]

Unarmoured and carapace are good too but thats about it

And also unyielding

[stiff merlin]

I agree, infernus seems like it would only be considerable, for me, if it was on a faster firing weapon where you could get lots of stacks though idk the stacking mechanic and just assume there is a maximum. Is adding more crit worth it because I do have the ADS for more crit blessing???

ALSO GIVE US MORE WAYS TO EARN PLASTEEL OMG HADRON

[shadow aurora]

Tbh honest infernus is just bad now ever since recon got nerfed

[terse idol]

I mean infernus makes the recon like useable

[shadow aurora]

Can only really use it on blue las and even then ehh

[shadow aurora]

Yeah but youre using recon

[terse idol]

[shadow aurora]

[junior mason]

Crucian Roulette or Point Blank?

[stiff merlin]

Which is more important, Maniacs, Flak, or Elites?

[umbral scaffold]

take onslaught off

try to roll for a gun with onslaught and surgical, perks to maybe maniac/carapace

[junior needle]

He already has that tier of onslaught

[umbral scaffold]

i mean earn blessing

and put it on a new gun

[stiff merlin]

I already have it

[junior needle]

Not really, it’s about 200-400~ (varies by target) dps at max stacks assuming a .5 tick rate. You usually don’t get to max on most targets and not for very long apart from ogryns/maulers

[wanton dawn]

There is always something fuzzy in my stomatch when I see overkill being 2nd dmg done in a game

[hollow ibex]

Infernus sucks and recon sucks

[wanton dawn]

true

[stiff merlin]

Easy fix. Just give us an Accatran skin for regular lasgun and then replace the recon with the hellgun. 🙂

[sharp ember]

bullpup DMR recon would be pretty cool

a hellgun having the damage and ammo of recon wouldn't be cool

[tribal tangle]

what should i do with this?

just add gets hot? the only plasma blessing i have is shattering 4 unfortunately

[umbral scaffold]

gets hot change out flak

flak with carapace

[umbral scaffold]

remove shattering impact, brittleness, benefitting the team? thats for plebs

[untold mulch]

Bullpup everything

[zealous wyvern]

oh i love puppies too

[untold mulch]

[serene sage]

Can someone kindly help me

Where did the Abelard smack his nuts meme come from?

[serene bough]

rogue trader

every story dialog there's an option abelard can introduce you in a pompous and glorious way

[serene sage]

Okay but why smack his nuts?

Just bc it's funni?

[serene bough]

melee tank character who cant die

• funni

[terse idol]

Imo you don't need cara

[junior needle]

This image

smack his nuts is technically inaccurate

[naive aurora]

Whatchu guys think? Revolver or Plasma

[junior needle]

Both amazing, plasma probably better overall

By revolver I mean zarona revolver

Agri revolver is kinda uh

not good

[serene bough]

agri revolver would be good if it had some penetration

[naive aurora]

I have yet to try out agri, even tho i really want to, if only for that Mccree feeling

[serene bough]

why it doesnt is kind of baffling

[hard briar]

Frankly. Agri revolver shouldn't exist

[naive aurora]

Its been suuuper hard for me to decide if I wanna use the revolver or the plasma lol. Both just bonk enemies so differently

[hard briar]

Why can't the other revolver fan the hammer

[sharp ember]

eh i like it, it's just not the zarona

[tribal tangle]

plasma is an off switch

[hard briar]

Your mom

[sharp ember]

agri has more ammo but that's barely an upside when survivalist exists

[naive aurora]

If the zarona had the fan the hammer ability I really think it might be op af lmfao

I just wish I could get a lvl 4 blessing that's not the sliding reload bs

[hard briar]

They just lower the pen then

[terse idol]

imo, shattering impact to gets hot, and flak to either elite or unarmoured

[sharp ember]

it feels like a decent sidegrade to bolter in that you can decide something needs to die immediately with the fanfire

much like bolter full auto

[naive aurora]

I def think revolvers better then bolter at t his point

[hard briar]

Which it shouldn't be

Pinning fire should have been nerfed,
Bolter didn't have to get crucified with it

[sharp ember]

just lacks bolter and zarona's mass penetration

[terse idol]

Bolter kinda needs buffs based on the low ammo count

Plasma needs nerfs based on high ammo count

😌

[sharp ember]

give revolver the bolter's bad infested damage and normalize bolter's

[junior needle]

It needs some better accuracy if it's not gonna be able to ads

[terse idol]

Also bolter pull out animation is tooooo slow

[tribal tangle]

pullout game weak

[sharp ember]

make something up about how the stub revolver penetrates too cleanly through infested flesh

[terse idol]

Pgun could actually be a little more normal if it was as slow as the bolter

To bring up

[hard briar]

I'd have made the entire Plasma gun slower

[polar kayak]

whats a good true lvl u guys like to see for damnation? mines 118 🤔

[hard briar]

Essentially primary fire would have been charge shot. That's it. There's no alternative fire. Big boom or naw

[terse idol]

That!

[hard briar]

I dont really care what true level you have

[terse idol]

Would be okay

[sharp ember]

15 but with borders that clearly indicate this is an alt character

[lusty jetty]

Yahoo, finally Surgical IV

[terse idol]

Because at least it has a risk factor

[hard briar]

I've seen ppl with 1000 true level, have the most dogshit takes and play aweful as well.

[zealous wyvern]

i kind of want to play rogue trader

i just wish it had the close-up cutscenes and dialogue like baldurs gate

they kinda saved the game for me

id be too detached if it was all topdown

but i think i might get rogue trader if its for a low price since it genuinely sounds fun

[sharp ember]

i'd like to as well but i dont wanna shell out $50 when i got other games coming out

[hard briar]

Like the bear scene

[zealous wyvern]

no

i havent seen that one

[hard briar]

[sharp ember]

bear% speedrun

[zealous wyvern]

i have only seen one intimate scene

[terse idol]

Just dont do the fucking bear scene

[zealous wyvern]

and it was with ||a mindflayer||

[terse idol]

*scream

[hard briar]

Hello Bear Sex Scene animator
Can you animate me
Human on Human Sex

[zealous wyvern]

spoiler

major spoiler

[zealous wyvern]

but click if you finished game

it was the only character i felt my dark urge char would actually romance

||id be worried to kill the rest in my sleep or something||

[hard briar]

Minthara

[zealous wyvern]

i really did enjoy that game

funny because i didnt even plan on buying it when it came out

i only bought it a day after and it took me months to complete

[hard briar]

Literally loves Dark Urge for who he is.
"OH your the dark spawn of a murderous God hellbent on slaughter? Well...I guess I'm gonna the wife of the Dark Spawn of a Murderous God. Who are killing today and how?"

[zealous wyvern]

act1-2 transition was so boring and weird to me that it stopped my playthrough completely

[celest vine]

Melk has a chainaxe with thrust 4

and thats all thats good about it

[zealous wyvern]

she says that until she gets brutally murdered

thrust is good on chainaxe?

dammit

i missed out

i had a feeling it was worth the 2k

[celest vine]

its a scuffed axe

[zealous wyvern]

if only to steal the blessing

yeah mine was too

but i could have taken the blessing

[celest vine]

ill nab thrust 4

nothing better to buy

[zealous wyvern]

besides i find chainaxe horrible to use right now

[hard briar]

Her choice

[zealous wyvern]

yeah just a stupid one

[hard briar]

Everyone else doesn't really take Dark Urge seriously at all

[zealous wyvern]

some ppl do but the writing kinda drops it

its weird

youd think theyd lock you up in a cage or something

[hard briar]

Like oh you have these desires to murder EVERYTHING AND EVERYONE you meet? I'm sure you can like fight that off lol hahahahahahaha

[zealous wyvern]

not just say serious stuff and then sleep next to you

only a few ppl say that

most of them are like "damn thats a hard burden. bla bla bla. if you try me ill have to kill you"

[hard briar]

It'd be better if like, every long rest, someone had to untie you

[zealous wyvern]

yeah

[hard briar]

[zealous wyvern]

id respect that

baldurs gate overall is kinda weird with consequences

[hard briar]

And on short rests, you see everyone like.. opposite of you.

[zealous wyvern]

i feel like most things dont really happen

[muted tangle]

Does Deadshot work when stamina runs out currently?

[zealous wyvern]

no

[hard briar]

No

[muted tangle]

ty

[bitter turtle]

I need to restart the game on their new hard mode

Unironically I stopped playing bc too easy

[zealous wyvern]

i played on easiest difficulty

and still had some difficult-ish spots

so

miss me with that opinion

[bitter turtle]

I even cut it down to a duo run with shadow heart and tactician and it was still too easy

[zealous wyvern]

i hate tactical gameplay like that

[bitter turtle]

And I'm just used to trpgs I guess

[zealous wyvern]

i played it like i play dnd

99% roleplay, 1% combat

[bitter turtle]

And my dumb min maxing builds

I can't help myself

[zealous wyvern]

i hate that too

a lot

but yes if youre like that

tactician is probably your default

im the opposite

[keen sedge]

What blessing should i use with plasma gun

[zealous wyvern]

i only use items that 100% fit my vision for the chars rp

and most didnt

[hard briar]

uses gloomstalker ranger
Man why is this so easy

[zealous wyvern]

gets hot and i think

[bitter turtle]

Ya that probably makes the difference

[zealous wyvern]

hmmm

uh

blaze away

[bitter turtle]

Nah I did warlock paladin lul

[zealous wyvern]

or glory hunter

[bitter turtle]

Still runs over everything though

[zealous wyvern]

gets hot + blaze away/gloryhunter

[hard briar]

In order from ones I like to ones I don't.
Gets Hot. Blaze Away.

The other blessings I don't care for

[bitter turtle]

And shadowheart was a sorc for haste

[hard briar]

Ah the other

[bitter turtle]

Would just run around smiting everything and it felt too face roll so I stopped

[hard briar]

I hate how Warlock has NO INTERACTIONS WITH THEIR PATRON

[tall torrent]

Gets hot > Gloryhunter ≈ Blaze Away > Volatile > Shattering Impact

[zealous wyvern]

disgusting

you and i are enemies

[zealous wyvern]

i think they did that because its way too dominant for lore

[terse idol]

Well like

Honestly

[zealous wyvern]

if you want a written patron story, play as wyll

[finite imp]

Dual wielding hand crossbows to min max sharpshooter B)

[hard briar]

And?

[zealous wyvern]

thats bad

duh

[terse idol]

that is a big spoiler
BUT! My plan is going for a double redemption arc

[zealous wyvern]

tons of ppl want agency

[terse idol]

Gonna get minthara

Get astarion

[wanton dawn]

FOR MY NEXT MAGIC TRICK

[terse idol]

And we gonna be besties

[zealous wyvern]

they dont want the game to give them 3 things to pick from

for their major story

[terse idol]

And get better

[wanton dawn]

I will kill 150 crusher in less than a minute

[zealous wyvern]

if you want a written warlock story, go play wyll

unironically

[hard briar]

Dual weilding handcrossbows as college of sword bard with some levels into rogue for the machine gun effect

[finite imp]

DAKKA

[hard briar]

But Wyll sucks

[zealous wyvern]

my fiend warlock is probably super different than your fiend warlock

in our heads

[finite imp]

EVERYONE IS DEAD TURN ZERO

[hard briar]

Wyll fucking sucks

[terse idol]

Warlock is so good wdym

[zealous wyvern]

i love warlock

[terse idol]

Wyll is just good guy™️

[zealous wyvern]

but wyll is pretty boring

[hard briar]

Wyll as a character

Sucks

[finite imp]

omg I CAST ELDRITCH BLASE

[terse idol]

I'm an astarion fan so uh

[zealous wyvern]

and looks horrible with the things

[finite imp]

What else

[zealous wyvern]

the things

[hard briar]

Dude is like vanilla as hell

[zealous wyvern]

you know

[hard briar]

The man has NOTHING INTERESTING

[terse idol]

Eldritch blast BUT TWICE

[zealous wyvern]

yeah....

[finite imp]

name 1 good spell outside of eldritch blast for lock

[terse idol]

Which is fine

[finite imp]

you cant

none

[hard briar]

[terse idol]

Not everyone has to be goofy

[serene bough]

i like the gith

[zealous wyvern]

hes too basic to be fancy and hes too skinny to be brawny

[wanton dawn]

WITNESS

[terse idol]

What is Gale

[hard briar]

NO IT ISNT

[terse idol]

Good guy that simped for a goddess

Like hurr

Me got chest bomb

[zealous wyvern]

Blade of the Frontier
dude that looks like he works in an office

no fancy rogue

[zealous wyvern]

no big strong hero

just a dude

boring

[terse idol]

He's a little deeper than that

[zealous wyvern]

on the inside? yes

but he looks boring as hell

get it?

[terse idol]

Huh?

[hard briar]

Blade of the Frontier

[terse idol]

He's got a stone eye

[hard briar]

"I'm a good guy"

[zealous wyvern]

ok that is cool

[terse idol]

And scars

[zealous wyvern]

true

his stone eye is cool

[terse idol]

And the horns

[hard briar]

"Kalarchs a devil's servant!"

[zealous wyvern]

the horns are UGLY

[finite imp]

is that a kantrael?

[zealous wyvern]

horribly ugly

listen

he needs to either look athletic

or elegant

[hard briar]

"OH wait, u were a victim? I'm sorry karlach."

[zealous wyvern]

he looks neither

[tall torrent]

This proves that enough nades can solve every problem in the game

[wanton dawn]

Yup

[finite imp]

ill give your video attention dog dw

[hard briar]

Wyll is just

[finite imp]

sick

what blessings

[terse idol]

He looks sweet okay

[zealous wyvern]

no

[hard briar]

A full character

[zealous wyvern]

he doesnt

[hard briar]

He has no internal struggles

[zealous wyvern]

i dont like it so its bad

i am not to be questioned

[hard briar]

He has already gone through his character arc xD

[wanton dawn]

I might or might not have abused a mechanism I learn about yesterday

[hard briar]

That pee is stored in the balls?

[zealous wyvern]

i found a mod that makes wyll like twice as cool. it makes him buff

immediately makes him cooler

[wanton dawn]

Don't tell !

[zealous wyvern]

might get it if i ever bring him in my party

[umbral scaffold]

IMO you dont need flak, you use your plasgun to kill elites and specials primarily, while everything below that is an instant kill regardless

[finite imp]

https://tenor.com/view/gape-aj-scream-gif-15013479

[wanton dawn]

The trick is call Thunderous

[zealous wyvern]

and no im not romancing him so dont worry about me just wanting smexy big man

i just find him weaklooking

as a hero

[tall torrent]

Thunderous procs on any DoT tick I think?

[hard briar]

Plasma is not hindered by such weaknesses anymore

[wanton dawn]

Yup

[zealous wyvern]

i want the blade of the frontier to LOOK like the blade of the frontier

[hard briar]

We are the All Gun now

[zealous wyvern]

whatever that may be

[terse idol]

I mean

[zealous wyvern]

but i will say to his credit i think he is a very sympathetic character and his voice is great

the voice actor did a great job

most of them did

the only one i have a bit of a gripe with is shadowhearts

[terse idol]

You need to hit the dredge gunner BP

[tall torrent]

That’s why u had axe out most of the time

[zealous wyvern]

too artificially sweet like an e-girl

[versed stump]

which stat is least important on a XIIIg chainsword?

[terse idol]

Just be an asshole to shart

She's British broooo

That's iiiit

[zealous wyvern]

i like british voice

[terse idol]

Astarion was *chefs kiss

[zealous wyvern]

._.

astarion was overacted

but fun

so sure

[terse idol]

Overactive?!

[tall torrent]

That u can reach with elite perk

[zealous wyvern]

yes

overacted

if someone speaks like that i am keeping 10m distance

irl

[terse idol]

Naw

[zealous wyvern]

yes

[terse idol]

I disagree

[zealous wyvern]

you are crazy

[wanton dawn]

Yup. Honestly the most annoying part was spawning the 150 dudes

[umbral scaffold]

and i do

[zealous wyvern]

a crazy person

do you play psyker

[terse idol]

I think his hoitey toitey nature fit with his background

[zealous wyvern]

what are you doing in here

is this a psyop

are you trying to influence good honest men of the Imperium to turn to your deluded ways

[terse idol]

His whole role for the better part of 300 years was wooing people and trapping them

[zealous wyvern]

the ways of the witch

[terse idol]

For cazador

[zealous wyvern]

well ill tell you this much

he wouldnt woo me with that tone

id think im being pranked on camera

[terse idol]

I mean

[zealous wyvern]

tone it down by 50%

[terse idol]

I like men

[zealous wyvern]

and id consider it a person

im literally with a bf

[terse idol]

Oh right

[zealous wyvern]

and havent touched a girl in years

[terse idol]

Woops

[zealous wyvern]

i just cant stand

[fiery plinth]

Hey

[zealous wyvern]

this

SUPER

super

flamey

[terse idol]

I love astarion

[zealous wyvern]

talk

sorry hadron

[terse idol]

Yes its his fucking role though

[umbral scaffold]

1 shot BP, dont need to gimp myself for it

[terse idol]

That's the whole point

[zealous wyvern]

the weakness of the flesh got the better of me

that is why its fun smudge

[terse idol]

He's also WAS a noble

[zealous wyvern]

i enjoy him as a char

[finite imp]

bro's getting a little worked up

[zealous wyvern]

i enjoy him

[terse idol]

He's a cut above a peasant

That's fair

[fiery plinth]

Hey, how does someone blow up with plas gun?

[terse idol]

That's faaiiir

[umbral scaffold]

hold rmb when at 100%

[terse idol]

I just didn't mind his voice you didn't like it both are valid

[zealous wyvern]

just you know. if someone talked like that irl id uhm take my leave

[terse idol]

I'm just getting a little heated

[terse idol]

Okay now that's just mean

[zealous wyvern]

vent

[terse idol]

Don't like Victorian people

[zealous wyvern]

vent

[terse idol]

Smh

Which is fair

[zealous wyvern]

i like it

[fiery plinth]

Huh… no wonder. I’ve been doing lmb when that happens

[terse idol]

Many did cause the commonwealth to starve

[zealous wyvern]

victorian stuff is very elegant

[sonic marlin]

if lvl 50 then why not 50 talent points

[terse idol]

Astarion is like a Victorian stereotype turned up to 8

Or 9

[zealous wyvern]

i am a super elegant-pilled bisexual man who wants to be fancy and pretty and elegant

[terse idol]

At least 10

[zealous wyvern]

i just think that type of voice is a comedy parody

[terse idol]

Eh

I didn't feel that but I get you

[zealous wyvern]

its like wearing makeup for decent eyeshadow to look good

and then someone walks in with a pancake on their face

that is how i feel with that voice

that is a very fun way of saying that i like it

now im thinking about people wearing pancakes

look what you did psyker

ill ask for the most lethal assignment possible asap to end my madness

[polar kayak]

hadron disappoints again... losing track of how many 370+ CIAG i wasted

[zealous wyvern]

ungrateful

play grey weapons until you can appreciate good gear again

[junior needle]

Like, it's still a super overtuned gun but I wouldn't roll ones with that damage for longevity reasons

[zealous wyvern]

true actually

i wouldnt invest into a 69% gun either

[polar kayak]

oh i didn't even notice that

thanks

[zealous wyvern]

i want at least 74 or something

[junior needle]

(nice)

[zealous wyvern]

(nice)

[polar kayak]

but it's only like 1dmg pt or 2 at most? is it that noticeable for these guns

[zealous wyvern]

time to read some cain now

[junior needle]

If you look at the inspect screen, you will see those damage points make a much larger difference than that number at the top implies

[tall torrent]

I’m kinda lost on what melee I wanna use now

[terse idol]

Well yeah

[junior needle]

Compare this with yours and you'll see

[terse idol]

Like if I want to say anything astarion is a relic of a different time

Its what makes his arc so compelling to me

[junior needle]

Some damage points can be like 30+ diff on headshots

[umbral scaffold]

dont listen to people about the damage stat

the damage increase is minimal based on percentage

80%

[polar kayak]

oops, i already sold it ... 😭

[umbral scaffold]

69% damage stat vs 80% is a difference of 2 points

[junior needle]

I think someone else needs to look at the inspect screen

That number at the top is worthless

due to modifiers

[stiff glacier]

Are there any major diffirences between the 2 power swords other than the animation of powering?

[polar kayak]

i have a better gun anyway ._. trying to get an even better one

[junior needle]

moveset, which is a fairly big deal. Also mk6 has extra block efficiency

mk6 slows you down while charging and mk3 doesn't, but mk6 has way more going for it

[umbral scaffold]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7Tn_Fwte8A&t=192s

damage stat only matters on high dmg weapons

[stiff glacier]

So with melees its more the movesets than real statistic changed

[umbral scaffold]

i have a columnus with a smaller dmg % than yours, and the attack breakdown is hardly any different

[wanton dawn]

Are we linking lindberg now ?