But I can't help but feel like focus target is just better
#veteran-class
terse idol
muted knot
Wait you get 1.17k on a headshot ?
tall torrent
You might as well just go exe stance since that helps mk1 IAG recoil a lot
terse idol
And also the multiple discussions where MF i sjust...
better for automatic weapons
it burns
muted knot
Hmmmmmmm
frank ether
but you need mf stacks for this high of a damage
tall torrent
Exe shouldn’t suffer uptime issues that much with IAGs
muted knot
Man exec should let you keep MF stacks while it's active
terse idol
but you need mf stacks for this high of a damage
which shouldn't be too hard with cameleon
in theoory
muted knot
Let me actually execute the enemy forces
frank ether
I think keeping mf up is not that hard you just stop playing the game for a while and shoot head while sitting
frank ether
but exec is difficult imo
muted knot
I think keeping mf up is not that hard you just stop playing the game for a whil...
Yeah that too but imagine
frank ether
not being able to weapon swap is like, terminal
terse idol
I've played enough Lasgun Ia with exe that yeah, it's getting ingrained, although I also play Rashad and revolver weapon spec so sometimes my muscle memory is like
Q swap
Woops
hard briar
Give the Ogyrn Infiltrate
frank ether
that some of the weaknesses you dont have to worry as much
hard briar
frank ether
like you're one shotting every type of shooter enemy barring the reaper
frank ether
one sec
bitter turtle
damn
how do you get it that high
mine is 1050
i dont think i missed any dmg nodes
frank ether
I run the 15 stack mf maybe thats why
muted knot
I've played enough Lasgun Ia with exe that yeah, it's getting ingrained, althoug...
Love me some Rashad revolver
muted knot
You could show your skill tree 
terse idol
frank ether
*Got fireteam?*
normally I would but this is a very gun heavy build
need to make sure I have boolet
terse idol
The forbidden 5%
muted knot
Boolet important
terse idol
muted knot
Make dakka go boom
terse idol
naw yeah, 15 stacks of MF gon' take ammo
stoic mantle
yee haw time?
muted knot
yee haw time?
Good stats keep going
frank ether
@raw steppe build and gun
muted knot
Keep in mind thats the new revolver tho
frank ether
do you think a new roll with 25 flak 80 stopping could do it maybe
muted knot
Okay that's a baller
frank ether
maybe I'm in a situation similar to rashad where I just need a godroll?
bitter turtle
time to whip out the loadout mod
muted knot
Not sure what meta is on the yee haw revolver but id say leave glory hunter for crucian
stoic mantle
and is the stopping power on this too low to roll on for a little experiment?
frank ether
I mean exec pushes it enough that both gunners die to single shot
agri iag I think would be a very popular gun if exec itself was more popular
it just seems like the dream gun for every iLas user out there
raw steppe
<@102907539565326336> build and gun
holy shit my fucking eyes T_T
muted knot
and is the stopping power on this too low to roll on for a little experiment?
Nah that should work
frank ether
holy shit my fucking eyes T_T
yee
muted knot
and is the stopping power on this too low to roll on for a little experiment?
Test if you can hit breakpoints in the meat grinder
bitter turtle
frank ether
its a pretty good iag too just barely shy of a godroll smh
muted knot
Does it matter for builds that aren't running exec/mf
frank ether
It would let me run voc and still one tap scab gunner
muted knot
I personally don't like death spitter tbh
frank ether
I dont really care too deeply for gun blessings on iags
outside of dumdum its whatever imo
bitter turtle
Does it matter for builds that aren't running exec/mf
depends on how often you can maintain killzone
tbh
muted knot
Speed loader tho
frank ether
hmm
muted knot
Which one is Killzone ?
frank ether
what about fire frenzy
frank ether
someone said fire frenzy applies to all ranges now
muted knot
Ag
frank ether
that could push my iag to consistent one taps past first kill
muted knot
someone said fire frenzy applies to all ranges now
That's dum dums bug innit?
frank ether
someone said FF also works like that but I can't quite be sure
bitter turtle
no kill zone
if u have a couple of deathspitter stacks tho
it can make up for it
frank ether
I suppose so yea
bitter turtle
no kill zone but deathspitter at 2
idk if dumdum adds anything significant at this range
frank ether
I guess this is one unique case where deathspitter/ff might edge out dumdum
bitter turtle
supposedly its coded like anointed in blood
so while it d oes add dmg at further ranges, it goes down over distance to 0
and this is pretty far
stoic mantle
jesus christ this revolver is nice
muted knot
Kills crushers like crazy doesn't it ?
frank ether
so while it d oes add dmg at further ranges, it goes down over distance to 0
so its pretty meaningless for my setup where I try to use it as long range one tap gun then right?
stoic mantle
kills everything like crazy
bitter turtle
so its pretty meaningless for my setup where I try to use it as long range one t...
im
not sure honestly
let me try
stoic mantle
and the speedloader makes life not pain
frank ether
the entire meme of the build is to make it so I can use it as budget dmr
and also keep full auto capability for bigger elites/specials
bitter turtle
full deathspitter stacks
adds 60 dmg
at that range
20m
so i awould say keep it probably?
terse idol
and is the stopping power on this too low to roll on for a little experiment?
it's fine
you got nearly max damage roll, and 71stopping power is fine
frank ether
I'll keep deathspitter then, seems good enough
bitter turtle
full deathspitter kills outright
terse idol
praayy for HH and DA
frank ether
what I can do is swap dumdum for FF to test it out
terse idol
And the perks
terse idol
😌
bitter turtle
i mistyped
frank ether
since I already invested in that slot
bitter turtle
1 dumdum stack adds 80
frank ether
probably shouldn't matter too much
bitter turtle
er
fuck me
1 deathspitter stack
adds 80
i hate these two names
so you only need 2 to kill
with killzone off
on a perfect agri
you might want to run both since you need more no?
cause im testing with the 25 flak and max stopping
frank ether
yeah I think I'll keep both
exec will ensure my initial shots are one tap to both gunners
and if that expires the blessings will keep it functioning then
at least vs scab gunner it does
dreg needs exec
and Idk if its worth to slap unarmored instead of maniac
stoic mantle
Hadron really really wants me to crit
bitter turtle
just tested
even 5/5 on both stacks
doesnt kill dreg
unless you have killzone on
but the idea of stacking deathspitter WHILE having kill zone on
sounds unlikely
stoic mantle
what perks/blessings would I be looking for on an ilas?
frank ether
Yeah this is why I ended up going with exec
terse idol
Hadron really really wants me to crit
🥹
frank ether
despite hating it
terse idol
what perks/blessings would I be looking for on an ilas?
HEadhunte, Deadly accurate
frank ether
it just makes bps consistent if I can keep it up
terse idol
it's kinda fucked, cause you want like Flak and...
bitter turtle
agri iag maniacs better for sure
terse idol
Maniac?
frank ether
nah I get your point
but I'm not doing it ease but rather
buildcraft
I like making my own builds
bitter turtle
ya thats fair
terse idol
Crit strike is kinda bad, and carapace is nearly useless cause it's a little clunky on the mxii imo
You can sure get a... 6-7 shot on a crusher with rending
frank ether
and I felt like what if agriag was like, built to its maximum potential
bitter turtle
you could do the other path
wep specialist for guaranteed crit every time you pull it out for oneshot
lul
bitter turtle
tbh maybe ur just more god gamer than me but i just dont think i could keep it at 15 constantly
i think MF is not that hard to maintain at a healthy level, but keeping it maxed all the time is hard
or else i would have taken that rending talent
on my mf builds
frank ether
I usually can't but I live for the moments where I do and everything just fucking dies
bitter turtle
i always float down a few stacks
frank ether
I'd love to take the rending on top of the 15 stacks
so that I potentially get %20 rending
I'm just one point shy
bitter turtle
its really good if u can do it consistently
frank ether
maybe dumping close order drill is an option
bitter turtle
makes v7 even punch through crushers
frank ether
Its like, depends on team
really depends on team
sometimes you get the teams where they sweep all the chaff for you
and I can just stop playing the game and sit still, click some heads and boom, 15 stacks
bitter turtle
god damn nvm
the finesse modifiers on iag too high
guess how much a crit going oright tree goes
i still took all the dmg nodes
frank ether
it does silly amounts given its an iag
frank ether
I mean you're not gonna do exec+mf levels of crit damage but still
silly damage
I dont think its bad though
I actually think iags are pretty well balanced except maybe ciag
frank ether
yeah it is
this is why I mean MF offers more than enough power to juice up your weapons
Its entirely the stack loss/gain process that can be annoying
hard briar
i want vets to have a genuine lmg
frank ether
you and me both
hard briar
with charmed reload and that toughness regen thing
where the more u get more toughness
frank ether
I can't I'm too busy coping and inhaling iag fumes
hard briar
as a matter of fact
dont give it sights
or irons
just give it a laser pointer and thats how u know ur aiming in their direction
untold mulch
Payday hours
bitter turtle
ill be sure to put a scope on it
hard briar
ill be sure to put a scope on it
nah
frank ether
frank ether
thats so blursed
bitter turtle
i dont actually use it thankfully lul
though
i tried to put a scope on lawbringer
but yeah that kick was uh
made it unplayable
frank ether
I guess this is probably why longlas never made it to the live game
fs scope designs are atrocious
short vapor
fs scope designs are atrocious
Those aren't official scopes.
custom made using muzzles and specific models.
bitter turtle
yeahj they're all lasgun muzzles
short vapor
some are GGs from Ogryn and a few of the new ones are chainswords
opal dove
A quick (and heretic) mock up with Tanith cosmetics!
opal dove
But man do I wish we had actual ghost cosmetics
They are coming, apparently. At least FS is working on them.
muted knot
Oh sweet
Can't wait for them to be atrocious
Gonna sit on some ledge and talk to thin air once it does come out, gotta pay respect to a real one
idle carbon
funny you mention that, seeing as they "dont know when they'll be finished", that gives me the idea these specific ones are being made in-house rather than contracted out
which implies they're actually going to put extra effort into them
muted knot
Straight silver knife skin would make me use the knife actually
opal dove
Straight silver knife skin would make me use the knife actually
Same
zealous wyvern
i would love a stiletto style dagger. (not the mob knife the old assassin blade)
opal dove
funny you mention that, seeing as they "dont know when they'll be finished", tha...
"There is one on the works". That's all the info we have. I hope they are being made in-house, as you say. Whatever it is, if they put the same love on those than Krieg/Death Korps I'm more than happy.
stoic mantle
So update on the lasgun: holy shit you feel the lack of flak damage
zealous wyvern
the krieg set is really uh full of weird mistakes though
idle carbon
*"There is one on the works"*. That's all the info we have. I hope they are bein...
if they put the same love into those as the krieg sets, I'll be greatly disappointed lol
zealous wyvern
So update on the lasgun: holy shit you feel the lack of flak damage
that why you need crits, headshots and flak dmg
stoic mantle
the krieg set is really uh full of weird mistakes though
Why is the veteran the only one without a fitted overcoat?
idle carbon
there wasn't much love there tbh :P
zealous wyvern
yeah... still use it because there is no other game i can play krieg in
as a first/third person game
hard briar
funny you mention that, seeing as they "dont know when they'll be finished", tha...
we're gonna get some SUPER dog tier cosmetics with extra horrendous prices
zealous wyvern
that reminds me i still want a mod that muffles my voice and turns my hud into the goggled outlook of a gasmask like that
ofc i would not bring it to damnation public lobbies dw
zealous wyvern
good man. i hope hes not playing like an idiot
stoic mantle
will report after
zealous wyvern
opal dove
if they put the same love into those as the krieg sets, I'll be greatly disappoi...
Really? I though they were cool. I have Death Korps and I think is awesome
zealous wyvern
it has very weird flaws, oversights and a too high price
opal dove
Death Korps and Armaggedon, sorry
zealous wyvern
the shoulder armour and mask dont look like kriegs stuff, the coat is badly implemented for some reason
the mask has no hose and so is useless but i guess i get that one since connecting hose to chest would probably present a lot of challenges
thats it i think
oh also somehow that mask doesnt muffle the voice?
idle carbon
Really? I though they were cool. I have Death Korps and I think is awesome
on Veteran alone:
the front pair of rivets on both vet helmets are misplaced, you can see the black circles where they should be
the respirator container on the chest of vet is way, WAY too large, and they turned it into a folder later for some god-awful reason
vet's sleeves are way too loose, that's no way to keep potentially caustic gas off your skin
there's no physics on the greatcoat, it sticks really weirdly to your legs
zealous wyvern
alright you mentioned what i forgot although i think the helm rivets are whatever
opal dove
on Veteran alone:
the front pair of rivets on both vet helmets are misplaced, yo...
Well, the physics problem is everywhere, not only on those
opal dove
For the most part, yep. I have a lot of cosmetics with weird physics
Ok guys, I get is not a perfect recreation with exact detail, and it should be, but I think we can say those are better than the normal stuff. They are one step higher, I think
idle carbon
the Steel Legion set has much better detail on just about everything
less obviously, for 2400 aquillas I got the 3-piece character set, two weapon skins, and a weapon charm
vs 2900 for just the 3-piece character set on vet
zealous wyvern
the mask looks pretty dumb and the coat is weird
the steel legion looks WAY better
opal dove
Ok. Let's rephrase: I hope they put the same love in the Tanith cosmetics than in Steel Legion's.
idle carbon
I can agree with that lol
opal dove
And, let's be clear, If they put those out and they look crappy, I'd be mad too
zealous wyvern
im not mad about krieg. it just confuses me why they messed the mask up
opal dove
Are you ok with a black beret? I dont think a helmet would fit with a Tanith cosmetic
A black beret or nothing
zealous wyvern
im a little mad about the store as a whole though
terse idol
on Veteran alone:
the front pair of rivets on both vet helmets are misplaced, yo...
Urghhjh
idle carbon
just uhh, to whoever models the tanith stuff
pleasepleasepleaseplease separate the meshes on the all the pieces so I can add / remove bits easily
the only downside to the Steel Legion set IMO is the entire coat and webbing are part of the same mesh, meaning I can't easily add flak armor to it without clipping badly
but that's me being a mod gremlin
terse idol
Why they make a pan cake
Some rumors I heard were people complained it clipped
ITS SUPPOSED TO BE BIG!
zealous wyvern
i feel like they were actually being petty
terse idol
There is STUFF in there
zealous wyvern
i havent insulted fatshark even once
but got my fav set damaged because other ppl are uncivilised creatures that shout obscenities in allcaps at community managers
L for me
junior needle
Wasn't the krieg release before the advent of pearlclutching?
terse idol
Wasn't the krieg release before the advent of pearlclutching?
It was
Evidentally though
Whatever happened was
I bought the set, the chest box was okay
Then I came back and it was squished
I mean... wait was it?
It was before the instance of the whole vanguard pack debacle
torn root
i havent insulted fatshark even once
why not?
junior needle
Then I came back and it was squished
zealous wyvern
ppl have been shouting insults long before the damn pearlclutch thing
frank ether
funny agri build wasn't completely terrible, given that I was babysat a bit by zealots towards the end section
zealous wyvern
since launch
stoic mantle
I am proud to report
zealous wyvern
this communitys bad eggs smell so rotten they deserve all they get
torn root
because launch was fucking horrible
zealous wyvern
ok
stoic mantle
The Kriegsman did his duty
zealous wyvern
nice
zealous wyvern
doesnt matter
stoic mantle
He fought like hell, and then go yeeted off a cliff by the chaos spawn
zealous wyvern
im not saying bad feedback is invalid
stoic mantle
Died in the service of the emperor, as he always dreamed
zealous wyvern
im talking about manchildren scream curses at their keyboard
junior needle
this communitys bad eggs smell so rotten they deserve all they get
Fatshark deserved to get a bad rep for how the game launched and how they handled it.
zealous wyvern
yes
i know lol
bad eggs arent the ones complaining
bad eggs are the ones who cant write a sentence
junior needle
Well, you'll find "bad eggs" in literally any group on the planet
terse idol
Yeah
junior needle
No need to justify poor treatment of everyone else for it
terse idol
But holy fuck, they caved to flatten a cosmetic
zealous wyvern
can you please read what i said
junior needle
this communitys bad eggs smell so rotten they deserve all they get
Well
I did read this
Unless it was unclear
terse idol
I SPEN/ MONEY ON, AND WAS GIVEN NO WORD ON THIS CHANGE
Oh my gosh unreasonably angry tonight
zealous wyvern
i was COMPLAINING that fatshark made MY krieg outfit bad because OTHERS use rotten language and immature communication
junior needle
Or because they're incompetent and don't care
torn root
anyway give the game about 1 more year before its something i could maybe recommend to people
zealous wyvern
collective punishment is a stupid and archaic practice
terse idol
FS a probably million dollar company caving because "waah, it's clipping"
torn root
as is it needs a lot of shit done
zealous wyvern
i can recommend it since class update. its fun
junior needle
They're definitely a multimillion dollar company
zealous wyvern
but it definitely needs work
zealous wyvern
its disappointing how much is wrong
terse idol
I just dont get it
torn root
i can recommend it since class update. its fun
I can justify playing it now if you already have it, but not buying it, not yet
terse idol
I really hope they get this prem cosmetic thing fixed, not even selling the scion helmet with the scion armojr
Which I'm sure is gonna be next patch or store
Oh my lord
frank ether
collective punishment is a stupid and archaic practice
Idk what stops them from offering both versions lol
anytime clipping complains are voiced I just think this exact thing
same with the recent chem dog coat for vet
terse idol
Idk what stops them from offering both versions lol
TRUE
My eyes gonna roll into the back of my head
Just put a "style" button
frank ether
I think if FS had some integrity towards how they handle these problems they would also get nicer responses
terse idol
(Hell let me edit some parts of my outfit... some of these things fit so poorly that I feel like they could clip on or off anyways)
frank ether
I think this game attracts people with rotten behavior because it does the same exact rotten behavior to its customers
frank ether
(Hell let me edit some parts of my outfit... some of these things fit so poorly ...
they sell these kind of things and recolors as alternate variants instead of offering them up within the bundles
junior needle
In this nurgle fighting game
Just like agents of the inquisition have a schism over stinky books
terse idol
they sell these kind of things and recolors as alternate variants instead of off...
Oh ywah back when they did release those small bundles
I really can't help but feel like, holy hell alot of these new prem shop decisions are made by the separate team and early bundles was FS trying to go easy on us
frank ether
I don't think so
terse idol
Fat lot that did though, we live in the version where ogrynns get charged roughly 300-400 more Aquillas for a recolor of a previous set
frank ether
I think they just had to play it nice because game launch reception was really really poor
terse idol
Hmm, yeah
frank ether
or maybe they were testing the waters
in a ''what can we get away with'' kind of way
terse idol
Maybe I'm just trying to find positivity where none exist
frank ether
there is none
hope you enjoy your 1400 aquilla helmet
no recolours
I have it btw
already made the mistake of getting aquillas
so I caved recently
terse idol
Patience for darktide getting too low, speak to us 😭
dusty sluice
I want this set so badly lol
terse idol
So many data mined things
frank ether
Patience for darktide getting too low, speak to us 😭
Idk what fs is even up to
I hope they're cooking up something cool
or anything really
terse idol
There's even a picture of the tanker outfit with a hat
frank ether
and no shop rotation doesnt count
terse idol
or anything really
Yeah I'm getting desperate, at least a word, about getting back to it, God forbid a road map
opal dove
I want to meet the person who thought moonboots where cool and then proceed to put them in the game. What an awful thing. Those boots should be classified as "heretic". I want to meet that guy and ask him/her "WHY?"
terse idol
I'm never gonna fault folks for vacation though so eh
lean light
My Vellow Feterans, what guns are we using these days
opal dove
My Vellow Feterans, what guns are we using these days
Columnus V and revolver
frank ether
Yeah I'm getting desperate, at least a word, about getting back to it, God forbi...
I don't think I need to know far in advance but some teasers and hints would be neat
odd sparrow
I hope they're cooking up something cool
they seem to be pretty silent about upcoming plans. Propably because they arent 100% locked on a lot of their plans and they dont want to announce something they arent sure theyll do
frank ether
like before the class update knowing it was going to drop we did plans to return to the game
terse idol
My Vellow Feterans, what guns are we using these days
Pgun, revolver ciag
I use the lasgun ia
😌
barren cave
Dclaw mains rise
frank ether
they seem to be pretty silent about upcoming plans. Propably because they arent ...
or they just didn't do anything we don't know
I understand why they don't announce stuff too early tho
cos if they change plans people haunt them forever
odd sparrow
cos if they change plans people haunt them forever
yep
dusty sluice
Pgun, revolver ciag
If I’m playing with friends I’ll run bolter so I don’t have to worry about doing bad
terse idol
I doubt they didn't do anything though, these projects takes months, I'd be floored if they left to vacation without an outline of what to do coming back
dusty sluice
I doubt they didn't do anything though, these projects takes months, I'd be floo...
I kinda wish there was a roadmap
frank ether
I don't fully believe twins are dead
odd sparrow
they might be working on multiple things. Considering they were working on the whole carnival thing while also making the skill tree update
dusty sluice
If I’m playing with friends I’ll run bolter so I don’t have to worry about doing...
(As long as we’re not doing auric malestrom)
terse idol
they might be working on multiple things. Considering they were working on the w...
They certainly have different teams
frank ether
they might be working on multiple things. Considering they were working on the w...
I mean those are things done by separate devs I'd imagine so can be developed together
lean light
If I’m playing with friends I’ll run bolter so I don’t have to worry about doing...
Every day I pray for a bolt pistol so I can do the Cadian Sgt load out
frank ether
might be more difficult to playtest too much content though
and then like adjust things based on feedback yada yada
dusty sluice
might be more difficult to playtest too much content though
True
frank ether
look at vet talents its been like multiple reworks and its still kinda problematic lmao
strange grove
two of the three auras need buffed hard
frank ether
I give a lot of shit but they at least havent left the tree as is
frank ether
two of the three auras need buffed hard
I feel like its survivalist that needs removed at this point
strange grove
thats my fav one lol
barren cave
yeah survivalist could get tweaked
dusty sluice
I give a lot of shit but they at least havent left the tree as is
If only I had 1 more talent points
barren cave
its really annoying how useful survivalist is at auric and the others are so meh, ive had teammates who straight up are relying on survivalist
frank ether
kinda like how demo expert is no longer team aura
dusty sluice
just make it a ranged vet only thing
Or mabye not proced by your team
frank ether
that was also silly back when it gave your whole team the benefit
sharp ember
free lunchboxes for ogryn was fun
frank ether
Or mabye not proced by your team
that muchs not the problem the problem is it enables builds that didn't invest into ranged talents too much ranged power by sheer uptime
sharp ember
they fear giving ogryn free ogrynheimer nades
dusty sluice
that muchs not the problem the problem is it enables builds that didn't invest i...
True
dusty sluice
they fear giving ogryn free ogrynheimer nades
Jdam
sharp ember
though apparently they don’t fear nigh-infinite kickback when an ogryn benefits from survivalist
frank ether
so bury survivalist deep under left tree, maybe even tied to exec or mf, then maybe replace survivalist with a stamina flavored aura? Could need to buff ammo drops on maps maybe or give weapons more baseline ammo but I think this would completely solve vet aura debate once and for all
there are also cases where fireteam can make you reach bps so its already not completely useless
not to mention fast firing guns always welcome dps and bossfights like it too
dusty sluice
Mabye make the +ammo node much more
dusty sluice
Mabye make the +ammo node much more
Or make it a aura
junior needle
All of these sound very unsatisfying
frank ether
I don't have a better idea
dusty sluice
Same
frank ether
don't think stamina flavor would be an awful aura flavor though
junior needle
It'd probably be worse than ms
frank ether
how so? It directly feeds deadshot for vet
junior needle
Unless it makes stamina regen while you do things
Not everyone uses deadshot, most classes don't need the stam regen
junior needle
Everyone using a gun needs ammo
sharp ember
my boring change would be to either make it increase ammo pool, or increase ammo pickup value if they still want aura radius to matter
placid portal
+9 Stamina gang
junior needle
It's a massive downgrade overall for some niche benefit to a particular setup
sharp ember
ammo pool increase would indirectly buff ammo pickup value
frank ether
Everyone using a gun needs ammo
there are two things here and one is it should not be tied to having vet with specific aura as tax and the second is you should get your ammo sustain as a reward for investing into ranged path sort of like shock trooper does
Its kind of annoying for me aswell when I have setups where I'd benefit from ft
but its just designed around survivalist really
some las weapons I already run ft+shock trooper
because it cuts the need
placid portal
Or just make vet nodes merge when the tree goes to blitz + coherency aura + active skill to save 1 or 2 points
the grenade path merging is imo amazin
frank ether
again tho sharpshooter vet pretty much exclusively shooting gun is sorta intentional
junior needle
I do agree that you shouldn't be required to have a vet with the aura around when it's such a big deal, but I think they should make it baseline in some way rather than removing it completely.
Having some way of consistently regenerating resources to keep up with increased spawn gives a measure of reliability that you need for pubbies to not absolutely shit the bed every match.
frank ether
left ultimate literally commits sudoku if you try to weapon swap
I dont agree with that design but its what we're working with
placid portal
wish swapping during exe stance refunds partial cooldown
frank ether
I do agree that you shouldn't be required to have a vet with the aura around whe...
I would also be okay with a baseline version of it thats maybe rebalanced and toned down a bit
I think having it be consistent could allow them to tune the numbers better
on like a per weapon type basis
junior needle
Fatshark is big shit at that
frank ether
yea they dont exactly have a lot of experience designing shooters
junior needle
They refuse to simply change damage/ammo numbers on turbodog guns for nearly a year
frank ether
I'd say all things considered they did pretty well
for their first game with somewhat real focus on gunplay
untold mulch
They refuse to simply change damage/ammo numbers on turbodog guns for nearly a y...
I wish to see how their design team works
frank ether
it could have been, way, way worse
untold mulch
because efficient it isn't
junior needle
They are in fact still doing it in some cases
I do not trust their ability to micromanage balancing for a second
frank ether
I think it needs to happen at some point
junior needle
Do not underestimate fartsharts ability to make things much worse
I can already hear the monkeys paw curling
frank ether
yea well
untold mulch
Mhmm
frank ether
I already got the monkey paw
as an exec stance enjoyer
or more like ''hitting bps'' enjoyers
feel like all of this plays into the meta that people love to bitch about
placid portal
Exestance is a good quick swap weapon and sight assist
BPs aint much for me when I use autogun/lucius
frank ether
I just genuinely think that people avoid certain guns purely because they need exec to function
like they default to voc
and whatever works with that they'll take it
frank ether
BPs aint much for me when I use autogun/lucius
true but iags scale so fucking well with left tree
so do lucius
exec alone juices them up so much
placid portal
like they default to voc
VoC has swap cancel, just takes some adjustment
placid portal
exec alone juices them up so much
mk3 don't really need it unless you like brainded body shots which is nice
frank ether
I mean AoE stun is enough time to weapon swap anyhow
placid portal
You skip the initial draw animation iirc
frank ether
mk3 is.. well the entire point of mk3 helbore is to one shot big game
frank ether
if I'm not doing that might aswell settle in for hb1
placid portal
mk1 can make quite a few 1 shots iirc?
frank ether
its also probably the one gun where maybe taking ogryn highlight over gunner is worth it? Idk
placid portal
Nah
frank ether
it only matters for crusher anyhow
placid portal
HIghlight ogryn should give damage
frank ether
highlight choice isnt the best design
placid portal
^
frank ether
when its directly tied to ability uptime
you'll obviously choose the more common foe
sharp ember
i always ran ogryn highlights when it used to give damage before the talent tree update
strange grove
if they made ammo pouches stay if someone doesn't need all the ammo survivalist wouldnt be so mandatory
so you would take a % from the ammo pack if you don't need the whole thing
and the remainder would stay for someone else
sharp ember
ammo packs being a 4/4 interaction instead of a % ammo pool is super frustrating
you can full auto your gun and mash E to destroy all 4 usages as a joke
and players who don’t know any better WILL double dip
thick rose
is carapace worth putting on zarona handcannon?
muted knot
if they made ammo pouches stay if someone doesn't need all the ammo survivalist ...
This
Like why can't I just take what I can carry
opal dove
is carapace worth putting on zarona handcannon?
If you have high damage, penetration and critical, yes, it could work quite good againts Crushers and others. Also,"surgical" is the blessing you are looking for. Aim for a little bit and then... Bang.
thick rose
yeah I got this
trying to work out what perk to put on
might finally have to bite the bullet and figure out the breakpoint calculator
opal dove
flak and carapace / flak and maniacs... Just try 🙂
dire olive
Stuck with maniac it looks like
dire olive
Cara might be worth I mean it'll likely one shot every flak enemy
Just shoot stuff in meatgrinder and see what doesn't die
opal dove
I dont have carapace extra damage and crushers go down after two shots. Surgical IV is a beast
thick rose
I guess I was tossing up between carapace and unyielding
dire olive
I guess at that point monsters are the only thing not dying immediately
opal dove
Pretty much, yes. Me and my friend are specting a new Zarona nerf, so we are using other stuff
dire olive
Either way they can always change it later
thick rose
mmmm
opal dove
80 damage, 80 penetration (I think) and 80 critical + Surgical IV and Hand Cannon. Is a wrecking ball.
opal dove
mmmm
Go for undyielding and enjoy the ride! Carapace are gonna fall too, just one more shot.
untold mulch
80 damage, 80 penetration (I think) and 80 critical + Surgical IV and Hand Canno...
Easy
opal dove
I'm enyoing Columnus V now. Another beast with the right blessings.
untold mulch
I've been playing my Zealot until we get new Vet weapons
I reached my peak annoyance with using autoguns, and Recon being shit
untold mulch
I've been wanting to use Recon for real since release
Only could use it non-ironically for 21 days 
opal dagger
I have fun with recon using headhunter and infernus
dusty sluice
this thing is very fun
- its a 550 :D
i have another one that i can do scattershot + flechette
muted knot
that's why I use agri iag <:loregryn:1036580674741731379>
Agri gang
placid portal
Agripinaa weapons do be boppin
strange grove
im still torn between agri brauto and iag
one melts rager walls, the other is better for counter sniping
why cant I just bring both?
sharp ember
dakka gang, firerate above pattern
strange grove
agri brauto has bash, that will be my melee
untold mulch
vet passive should be to have 2 ranged weapons
I wish
muted knot
I wish
Pain
But the amount of dakka would be pretty funny
In before people would run Ciag with plasma
untold mulch
True
frank ether
that's why I use agri iag <:loregryn:1036580674741731379>
agriag gud
actually prefer it to ciag at this point
its like a baby HH
muted knot
I mean if I had a gun to my head being forced to play the better weapon of the 2 I'd choose ciag
But it's just gets old quickly
I like my rifles to be meaty
trim hemlock
ILG 1a doesn’t quite get old
It’s just a point and click gun, but there’s an odd satisfaction to be had from clicking heads of AI
dusty sluice
would this be fine for scattershot + flechette?
wild summit
A plea again to make relentless, counter fire, hunters resolve and overwatch baked into their respective abilities to compete with shout on auric
its unfair how shout needs a single node to be good, the upgrade to be insane and the other two have to invest into their node + 2 upgrades or even more to be good
crude ermine
Nevermind with infiltration the fact that it's the most point costly to go for out of the 3
dry knoll
This is a bit left field, but is there any way I can find out what background/character choice I made for my Vet? It was back in Beta/launch and I really don't remember.
fiery stone
here to lazily ask a question that's probably been asked a thousand times but
best shotgun in your opinion>?
trim hemlock
Kantrael
muted knot
Incendiary
trim hemlock
what's its alt fire again? slugs or incendiary?
The latter
fiery stone
The latter
cool, thank you
sharp ember
i feel most at home with the agri slug shotgun
slug shots will flatten anything from afar with a headshot unless it’s a crusher
and stagger open bulwarks
and normal shells will 1 headshot common shooters out to a decent distance
kantrael does have its appeal of basically being a long narrow flamethrower though
finite imp
i feel most at home with the agri slug shotgun
My man
My brother
I do wish they'd buff the cleave on the slugs or something
They don't feel like they're hitting as hard as they should
sharp ember
that’s why i run deadshot with manstopper 
sharp ember
yes, only exists at tier 2
finite imp
Fucking tier 2 shotguns blessings
sharp ember
it basically adds +20 cleave mass on crit
trim hemlock
What's the best way to farm tier 2s
Check Armoury Exchange every hour
gray finch
What's the best way to farm tier 2s
make character to lvl 15 or to lvl when you can upgrade gear
trim hemlock
Tier 2 blessings are commonly appearing there
finite imp
Yeah probably
sharp ember
if you’re desperate make a veteran alt and upgrade shotguns to blue
finite imp
if you’re desperate make a veteran alt and upgrade shotguns to blue
I have my knife. Anguish takes no more of me.
sharp ember
if only we had some kind of less-common resource we could spend to outright unlock blessings
finite imp
HMMMM
IF ONLY WE HAD SOME WAY TO BURN DIAMANTINE
The longer they wait to make a diamantine dump the worse it's gonna get
gaunt delta
The more we complain about it, the longer they will push the solution back
crude ermine
sharp ember
tiny summit
That's the neat part
What about a Pozemka phase?
tiny summit
Red?
crude ermine
Yes
tiny summit
Red and Penance first?
crude ermine
Absolutely
tiny summit
sleek garden
ima have to wait for brunt
You could just go into low level missions couldn't you
crude ermine
The silly drunken mess
sleek garden
would this be fine for scattershot + flechette?
You should put that blessing combo on a lawbringer
The special will tear through a horde
tiny summit
Putting a helbore barrel on an IAG looks at the same time wrong and right.
dusty sluice
You should put that blessing combo on a lawbringer
Its very silly with fire shot kant
dusty sluice
I must be thinking of a different blessing
these are the two i'm talking about
dusty sluice
huh
dusty sluice
why did fs do that
analog mural
Why did FS make 7/10 blessings on TH worthless? Why did FS add unobtainable blessings? Who tf knows
zealous wyvern
development scraps things sometimes
stone dome
So theres a Atrox mk4 tac axe for sale with brutal momentum 4, what other axes will i be able to transfer the brutal momentum to? don't quite recall how this mechanic works
analog mural
So theres a Atrox mk4 tac axe for sale with brutal momentum 4, what other axes w...
Only other taxes
zealous wyvern
the hatchets
stone dome
so all tactical axe variants?
zealous wyvern
yes
stone dome
its a steal then, cheers!
zealous wyvern
weapon type and weapon line/mark are different things
all headhunters share blessings
stone dome
also do different classes share blessings?
analog mural
But not all staves share blessings, because fuck psykers right?
Yeah blessings are account wide
stone dome
great, i still can't get used to money(ordo) and mats being account wide lol
can't post pics yet, got an mk5 combat axe with 79-80 on all stats but 55 on first target, any good or trash it?
analog mural
Ideally mobility should be the dump on caxe
atomic zephyr
i think it’s useable but not optimal
tiny summit
can't post pics yet, got an mk5 combat axe with 79-80 on all stats but 55 on fir...
Can't say. Whatcha already got? It's serviceable until a better one shows up
stone dome
Can't say. Whatcha already got? It's serviceable until a better one shows up
got an mk3 power sword with mobility as dump stat and mk3 com blade with great stats, so ill continue to use those for now
also, uncanny strike and lacerate or uncanny strike and mercy killer on the knife?
midnight totem
Uncanny strike and mercy killer
stone dome
guessing bleed meta is off the table for now
analog mural
Uncanny and precog
stone dome
Uncanny and precog <:whatthefuck_heresy:1049724444207239168>
which one was precog
analog mural
Finesse on dodge I think
stone dome
crit chance on dodge?
midnight totem
You can spec into serrated blades as a veteran
analog mural
Reposte is Crit on dodge
midnight totem
So you don't need lacerate
stone dome
So you don't need lacerate
i see
stone dome
Reposte is Crit on dodge
Is that any good? i have riposte and mercy killer but not precog
stone dome
aight, got a crit chance perk and a dump perk, what to take? stamina?
midnight totem
Perks? Probably maniac and/or flak
stone dome
aight, thanks!
midnight totem
You'd want to be able to take out a mutant or maniac ragers as fast as possible
sharp ember
i’d lean towards flak due to the sheer amount of flak armored enemies you will typically face
dreg ragers i’d resort to shooting than try to tango with a knife
you get to use your innate backstab bonus damage when you dodge a mutie at least
stone dome
i have good weaponry to shoot them off so i guess flak it is
oh i can post pics now
how is this looking? still havent gotten any tier 4 blessings
gusty bison
how is this looking? still havent gotten any tier 4 blessings
Iirc bolter wants maniac and flak to hit breakpoints
Otherwise looks great
gusty bison
Neither. Crit chance or stamina is better depending on ur build
stone dome
Iirc bolter wants maniac and flak to hit breakpoints
aight, ill swap to flak and hope i get crits on maniacs
gusty bison
aight, ill swap to flak and hope i get crits on maniacs
You dont want unyielding
Iirc
Go psykanium and test
stone dome
got it!
gusty bison
You wanna be able to one tap crit bodyshot anything less than a rager
And one tap crit headshot ragers
serene sage
Iirc bolter wants maniac and flak to hit breakpoints
it's a long shot breakpoint so flak is not required, elite might be better actually
serene sage
but then again flakiac is nice cause it's simple
yeah I think min maxed might just go maniac elite
but flakiac is plenty workable
serene sage
it is comfy
golden nacelle
so, what to change then on my ciag?
gusty bison
Its a ciag
serene sage
I hate maniac so I always go that
golden nacelle
it's not the best roll anyways, im not worried about using it in the future
only matter of time till i find a better one
serene sage
then just use it and don't waste your plasteel imo
serene sage
(Cue all the redditors raging)
I gave up a while ago. In the end, I just kinda accept that Reddit thinks Plasma is "baseline" so everything else that is not Plasma needs buff. They don't see it as being overtuned. To them, the difficulty of the game feels right to them when using plasma, so any gun that makes the game slightly harder, or even different means the "balance" is off.
You can say they have severe skill issue and are using the plasma as a crutch. But I try to be charitable and just assume maybe the game was never supposed to be that hard.
gusty bison
The plasma is a skill pancake
obsidian umbra
is the mk6 PS any good?
gusty bison
Imho is it lets people think they are more skilled than they are cos a better player cant really squeeze more out of the gun than they can
sharp ember
is the mk6 PS any good?
a meta optimized mk6 psword is one of the strongest options for vet
gusty bison
So when they struggle on other guns they perceive it as the gun being weak instead of their own skill being lacking
gusty bison
Like the repeated calls for bolter buffs cos bolter is a "slow, clunky and weak weapon"
obsidian umbra
a meta optimized mk6 psword is one of the strongest options for vet
what is the meta build for it? Slaughter + power cycler and flak + manic?
atomic zephyr
i swapped mine out for a mk4 chainsword and the difference was staggering
gusty bison
what is the meta build for it? Slaughter + power cycler and flak + manic?
Brutal momentum and Power cycler
atomic zephyr
what is the meta build for it? Slaughter + power cycler and flak + manic?
brutal momentum + power cycler
boltgun isn’t even weak it’s just not plasma tier
sharp ember
what they said, BM is popular now because it basically adds +3 kills per swing
atomic zephyr
you’d think the plasma gun would be slow too with how big it is tbh
gusty bison
boltgun isn’t even weak it’s just not plasma tier
Its also not even hard. Its a comfy gun
Thats the other thing they get completely wrong.
They call the bolter hard to use
When its easier than half the guns
atomic zephyr
LOL???
gusty bison
Including CIAG
sharp ember
swapspeed issue
visual remnant
yah it is kinda under powered compared to other wpns
gusty bison
Oh they also complain about it having too little clip size and ammo reserve
gusty bison
and especially 4 vet
Uhhh
visual remnant
in auric maelstrom or most auric matches
idle swallow
can't quickdraw bolter in 2 milliseconds gun is trash plz buff
atomic zephyr
this sounds like a non-executioners stance issue im too HEADHUNTING to understand
gusty bison
yah it is kinda under powered compared to other wpns
When u say other weapons. Are we talking plasma and volver. Or like actually other weps
slender turtle
you’d think the plasma gun would be slow too with how big it is tbh
I am half expecting some sort of change to the plasma gun in the... surely tomorrow patch
gusty bison
Cos comparing shit to broken weapons is stupid
Everything is bad compared to plasvolver
atomic zephyr
honestly if plasma got a handling speed nerf it would be very much enough brought in line
sharp ember
even VoC clears the immediate area for you to pull out your bolter
real "I WANNA HEAR THEM SCREAM" racks bolter moment
visual remnant
plamma and rolver
gusty bison
plamma and rolver
Yea they dont count
visual remnant
it's important to compare it to broken weapons
bringin attention to busted weapons is important
visual remnant
they need to do another rebalancing since the game is like
u have plamma and then u have bolter
atomic zephyr
god i was using revolver on my zealot last night and it’s just so comically good
visual remnant
u have volver and then u have brautos
gusty bison
Bolter is an A tier weapon though
visual remnant
in the broken to normal spectrum
atomic zephyr
i have no desire to grind for any other guns on it just because I have revolver
visual remnant
yah it's
gusty bison
Like theres actually meh weapons in the category
atomic zephyr
and I don’t play zealot enough to want to try the slot machine
visual remnant
it's like ambrosia
slender turtle
honestly if plasma got a handling speed nerf it would be very much enough brough...
No, just make it so your screen shakes violently everytime you shoot it
serene sage
Go on Reddit
visual remnant
my main vet loadout uses the 1a w the full auto mod
serene sage
Close Reddit
visual remnant
hehe..
atomic zephyr
Go on Reddit
visual remnant
Go on Reddit
close reddit
gusty bison
MG 1a is the best of the 3 iLas and its still really meh
For the precision weapon category that is
atomic zephyr
MG1a just kicks too much, reduce the visual recoil and we chillin
obsidian umbra
Go on Reddit
bold of them to assume your just going to roll 25 flak manic and pinning fire instead of hadron just trashing it like everything else
obsidian umbra
also you already have a dump stat in mobility
serene sage
or 6.3% damage decreased compared to 80%
gusty bison
Bolter has a lot of dump stats
untold mulch
Go on Reddit
I read it an hour ago and I was like
gusty bison
Collateral is a dump stat
serene sage
yeah definitely a dumb stat on a Long Shot breakpoint weapon
gusty bison
Mobility is a dump
untold mulch
Collateral I always dumped
gusty bison
Stability is dumpable
If ur running dmr deadshot
Rld speed is dumpable with the animation cancel
serene sage
Collateral I always dumped
Nuh uh
gusty bison
Ah yes
serene sage
Rld speed is dumpable with the animation cancel
debatable, it's a pain in the ass. if you have a macro for it maybe but otherwise it's annoying as fuck
gusty bison
For people who full auto the bolter at 15m and hit the wall
gusty bison
debatable, it's a pain in the ass. if you have a macro for it maybe but otherwis...
Aye
It is annoying
But dumpable
serene sage
I just don't dump it and save my sanity
idle swallow
I ain't tryin to macro a bolter reload every time just slap on volley adept and be done with it
gusty bison
On bolter
serene sage
it needs like damage and reload, not complete trash stability and mobility and we good
gusty bison
Frankly i almost never reload the bolter tbh in a pinch situation
serene sage
it's actually a really easy gun to roll
gusty bison
Cos 15 rounds is usually ample
obsidian umbra
does close damage from close quaters kill zone apply to guns or just melee?
serene sage
does close damage from close quaters kill zone apply to guns or just melee?
everything, nade included
crude ermine
Fists
gusty bison
it's actually a really easy gun to roll
Yep
The perks and blessings though are quite harsh
gusty bison
Cos u want 2 specific perks and 2 specific blessings
serene sage
I mean you have like 3/6 blessings that are BiS, Glory Hunter is usable so that's 3.5/6 that are good
still better odds than a lot of guns
serene sage
I wish Glory is more nuanced than what it is though haha
gusty bison
V7 rolling will make u wanna tear ur hair out
gusty bison
Yep
serene sage
cause for some reasons 3 shotties are different families
dusty sluice
hmm
midnight totem
It would be heretical to force another agent of the Emperor to take this burden
Use it yourself. In penance
golden nacelle
So, which perk to change... and to what?
dry knoll
flak or maniacs?
golden nacelle
drop the critical hit damage?
also for agripinaa IAG, same blessings as columnus?
golden nacelle
deathspitter dumdum?
gusty bison
So, which perk to change... and to what?
Just save ur plasteel
And run it as is
You wont notice the difference
tawdry hull
reddit gold wholesome 100 keanuchungus
serene sage
"Bolter does too little damage"
Reddit Schrodinger's Bolter
Damage is a dumb stats
Bolter does too little damage
golden nacelle
haha Grawr, I actually agree with the "Bolter does too little damage" comment. Specifically, it should do more splash damage. This is purely from a lore-centric standpoint though, not a game balance one. In the lore, bolters are mad OP. Overkill is the way of the Emperor.
It's supposed to be more like a rapid fire rocket launcher than a gun.
serene sage
Good thing we only encounter infratry in game
Cause Bolter sucks major ass against Vehicle
It is generally good against most infratry profile though
(without being an explicit anti infratry gun)
spice wadi
revolver is stupid
golden nacelle
To be fair, I also think that power sword activation shouldn't be temporary at all
spice wadi
monka
tiny summit
If the bolter is gonna be as clunky and zero aoe as it is, I would definitely want it even stronger
spice wadi
bolter has a shadow cast over it by how incredibly oppressive they randomly decided to make the non-fan revolver
golden nacelle
Uhhhhh... I don't think bolters sucking ass against vehicles is entirely accurate. Once again, any normal vehicle would be absolutely shredded by a lore accurate bolter. So would any of our real life modern tanks.
spice wadi
we're also not using an astartes bolter etc etc
serene sage
Uhhhhh... I don't think bolters sucking ass against vehicles is entirely accurat...
In lore you don't really have Bolter killing tanks? and defenitely not on the Table top haha
spice wadi
hive gangers use boltguns
golden nacelle
but... once again, overkill is the way of the Emperor... which applies to armored vehicles as well
serene sage
like I'm sure a few tanks have died to bolter fire
acoustic sapphire
So, which perk to change... and to what?
25% Damage (Maniacs). It covers a majority of deadly enemies you'll face.
serene sage
but it's not anti vehicle
it's more of a versatile weapon that is particularly good against infrantry, ideally medium armored ones.
golden nacelle
Right right... but thats only because the vehicles you're shooting at are heavily armored
serene sage
which is kinda reflected in game cause we chew through high health dregs and flak with ease
tiny summit
Gonna run Exe MF Bolter