veteran-class

[hard briar]

That'll do it

[finite imp]

Narcotics ops

Like VBSS

Not abuse drugs

Lmao

For some reason anytime I got an injury my left leg was the pof

It sucked ass and it was very depressing

I joined the military to make a difference instead I felt like a sanctioned pirate

Looking back on it

At the time though I thought I was the coolest in the world

[hard briar]

Sounds familiar

[finite imp]

But now I just feel like I was a federal thig

Thug

[finite imp]

I might have rambled about this before idk

[hard briar]

No, looking back and thinking you were the coolest

[finite imp]

My thoughts are like a series of run on sentences

[finite imp]

Oh. Yeah.

Felt like an regular American hero. I'm the guy with the M4A1 I'm the good guy lol

Then you hop onto a fishing DOW and these people are just regular as people

Ass

Like what the fuck are we doing

[hard briar]

I didn't do any cool shit. Just fixed trucks for Uncle Sam.
Learned quick BCT was the most military place in the military

Everywhere was just highschool

[finite imp]

After I tore my ACL it kind of woke me up

[finite imp]

Yeah it's impossible to escape no matter where you're stationed

These days I'm doing a cozy office job up at wallops. I don't do shit. I work on radars, file paperwork, do admin shit

I mostly just tell people what to do

I cannot wait to get out

If I'm gonna do a souless job at least pay me what I'm worth -_-

I'm currently earning my security plus cert and doing the navys skill bridge program

Which is nice

But God I need to get my meds changed or something

Anyhow sorry

Ramble

[hard briar]

I wish I could do something like this in any field really but I can't ever seem to sit down and focus.

[finite imp]

You might need Adderall or something

[hard briar]

[finite imp]

It's the first thing I'm gonna get when I get out

I'm not kidding

When I'm on Adderall i can hear myself think

[hard briar]

I know it just sounds halirious to me

[finite imp]

Yeah

Need some dextro amphetamines bro

I joke about being a crackhead knife user but irl I think I just need some Gucci crack

The Gucci meth

Louis Vuitton

Drugs are strange man. We sit here and make literal meth and are like yeah this meth is ok but that meth is evil

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-toilet-scene-hank-revealing-gif-18042867

[hard briar]

I think the way they work on you is different or something

I'm not qualified to speak on how medical meth and non medical methods are different xD

[finite imp]

Me neither that's why the DEA is doing laps outside my house rnr

[midnight mortar]

I mean yeah, it's not that simple. The purity of the drug and the magnitude of its effects differ between amphetamines and methamphetamines.

The quantities of neurotransmitters they cause a release of also differ.

[finite imp]

No it's that simple now buy this crystal

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-chemistry-experiment-scientific-walter-white-gif-17820266

[trim steppe]

Damn VERY nice my friend, Hadron pulled through

[atomic zephyr]

i think melk is telling me something

holy fucking shit

[finite imp]

He's saying buy a knife

[slow sky]

hes telling you that recon lasguns are bottom of the barrel

[atomic zephyr]

i already have a knife

[finite imp]

As in 1??

[atomic zephyr]

yeah

[finite imp]

Way too little

[atomic zephyr]

...im buying the 380 chainsword

[finite imp]

No

Knife

[atomic zephyr]

too bad

[slow sky]

youll be stuck with specialist damage btw on that, since youll be changing block efficency and bloodletter

[atomic zephyr]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[junior needle]

When you have to explain calculations to someone who insists that having both crit AND weakspot damage perks is a good setup

[atomic zephyr]

i dont need a perfect roll

i dont even have t4 rampage

[slow sky]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/728174260878704643/1178364672756437022/salvatory_ogryn.gif

oh damn im in the vet chat not the zealot chat

that explains why im seeing soldier 69 then lol

[frank ether]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/266991886609154048/1090172757653852160/cuter_cat_story.gif

[serene sage]

nothing personal kid

[junior needle]

"Na bro surgical sucks on old revolver, also take these perks"

Aint nobody got time for guaranteed crits and one shots, just use more ammo

[finite imp]

WHATS UP

FUCKER

[frank ether]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/908912109142827082/1079578526623215656/ezgif-3-af1195d740_1.gif

[finite imp]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-vampire-bat-pixel-gif-7231209074183542492

[slow sky]

https://tenor.com/view/ryan-gosling-drive-this-time-im-really-gonna-do-it-gif-340776520334591137

[finite imp]

do what D:

[slow sky]

where even was this

[junior needle]

reddit comments

[slow sky]

of course

[junior needle]

"Nah bro surgical is bad in general bro"

[finite imp]

https://tenor.com/view/boring-unimpressed-meh-really-seriously-gif-16279809

[tiny summit]

Some people never really actually looked at how fast surgical stacks

[slow sky]

yeah dude 20-30% crit chance for free on a crit weapon even when not even trying to use it actively is ass dude

just use speedload

[finite imp]

you're literally at 2 stacks before the animation even finishes

to aim

its less than a second per stackj

[junior needle]

"The damage you get against everything with crit damage and weakspot damage is more than you would get with other perks, as long as you are consistent with crit headshots."

[finite imp]

people are dumb

[slow sky]

ik vet chat
but on a zealot crit build, you have anywhere between 15-55% crit chance BEFORE your crit boost from the weapon AND surgical

its fucking crazy

so that person was probably dropped on their head as a kid like a basketball

[finite imp]

WOW THATS OFFENSIVE

COULD YOU TONE IT DOWN A LITTLE

YA TURKEY

[flat dock]

Excuse me WHAT

[junior needle]

"Surgical bad on vet because deadshot"
"Surgical bad on zealot because blazing piety"

[finite imp]

hit f12

[junior needle]

My brother these two things work together

[finite imp]

plz just hit f12

[slow sky]

win+shift+S

[finite imp]

that too

or use gyazo

anything

[junior needle]

gyazo holds your images for ransom

Use something else

[finite imp]

never had that issue

[junior needle]

like greenshot

[slow sky]

yeah dude
100% crit chance is bad because 25% crit chance exists

[junior needle]

Last time I used it, it asked me to pay to see my full gallery of older pictures

You could get like 5 freebies

[frank ether]

nice specimen

[finite imp]

wat who uses gyazo for storage wtf

[frank ether]

reddit saying the wildest shit

some post recently about vets all running the same setup

[smoky blaze]

whats the best full auto lasgun right now ?

[finite imp]

shut up

[junior needle]

[finite imp]

please just shut up

[frank ether]

wow lmao

[smoky blaze]

im legit asking tho

[finite imp]

NONE

GO

PLAY

[slow sky]

been a while since ive run vet but like
i would be running krak, VoC, and survivalist too ngl

[finite imp]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-ahhhhh-freakingout-losingit-omg-gif-4580924

[tiny summit]

MG4 with full auto mod

[finite imp]

fair

[frank ether]

thats like the cookie cutter vet build yea because diverting from that path usually results in issues

[junior needle]

All the recons are big shit at the moment. 6d is the least bad but still pretty bad.

[golden nacelle]

So... infested to flak, and firefrenzy 3 to Deathspitter 4?

[frank ether]

like if you feel adventerous you can run shredders instead which are also great

[slow sky]

it fills in all the gaps you may need to fill

[junior needle]

yes

[finite imp]

you got it boss

[smoky blaze]

well thats sad

[finite imp]

WE KNOW

REEEEE

[smoky blaze]

i guess back to mk v columnus

[finite imp]

YUP

[tiny summit]

Is recon a pinned message yet?

[finite imp]

no because people will be like ITS VIABLE CMOOOON PLEEEEASE

PLEASE BELIEVE ME

dumping an entire mag into something and it not dying is FUN

[smoky blaze]

mk 3 vs mk 6 power sword ?

[finite imp]

6

[crude ermine]

Just use the Christopher Columbus the 5th

[tiny summit]

Well at a baseline it is viable bad but "viable"

[frank ether]

Its more so that other paths aren't exactly very well thought out imo. They did fix a lot of the pathing issues but they never really adressed unpopular/problematic options people avoid

[junior needle]

Behold, the worst dps ranged weapon in the game

[frank ether]

like what is a smoke grenade for except trolling my teammates

[crude ermine]

Something very very niche

[junior needle]

Oh whoops, that's not the gray video

[frank ether]

or why would I pick exec when its very very situational and requires 2 tax nodes even for those situations to function

[junior needle]

Oh whoops, that wasn't the right quote either

[smoky blaze]

hm i feel mk3 was better for crowd clearing with more horizontal

[junior needle]

Having horizontals be on lights is a big changer

[slow sky]

i mean
you kinda arent hitting weakspots so idk if this is a good demonstration

[tiny summit]

Because it's a fun mini game go keep it rolling

[frank ether]

It loses even harder with weakspot comparission, since its a poor finesse weapon

[slow sky]

yknow what will fix that
weakspot damage perk

[tiny summit]

Hey with onslaught anything can die within a mag!

[slow sky]

this is a joke dont slaughter me

[frank ether]

ayo

we have come full circle

spread this up in reddit

[serene sage]

nuh uh you die now

[junior needle]

That's because it's a bodyshot comparison, and I separate weakspot and bodyshots. IAG's drastically outperform recons on bodyshots even being finesse weapons. Recons actually perform much worse there due to having SHIT finesse modifiers and shit baseline performance.

Behold, over quadruple the headshot damage.

[frank ether]

sorry if you utter the words r*con 3 times in this chat Soldier69 is automatically summoned

[junior needle]

It works just like beetlejuice

[serene sage]

your mom

[crude ermine]

That's true

However the 6 being Horizon lights and some other overtuned things on 6 makes it outweigh 3

However you're more than welcome to use 3 if you feel more comfortable with it

[slow sky]

is recon lasgun the vet equivalent of FT/lacerate knives for zealot

[junior needle]

But anyway, the point of bodyshot comparisons is to show baseline performance without any player skill taken into acount.

[slow sky]

ig that makes sense

[frank ether]

I think its way worse in a lot of ways if you think about talent cost implications of this but I see your point

[smoky blaze]

noted

[frank ether]

because when you make a ranged build and your gun is a PoS that just runs dry without doing much.. its like playing endgame with a fresh character lmao

[smoky blaze]

what blessing perk u want on power sword ?

standard flak maniac ?

[serene sage]

chat, tell me a game to play

and I will play it

no cap

[crude ermine]

Yeah

Or you can go cara

[junior needle]

Basically. Recon vets are notorious for suctioning ridiculous amounts of ammo only to underperform and/or spend it all shooting into melee chaffe to avoid using a melee weapon. Here's a nice example from mr creme.

[smoky blaze]

blessing power cycler and ?

Slaughterer maybe ?

[crude ermine]

Brutal momentum

[junior needle]

brutal momentum or sunder

[crude ermine]

For the hit mass ignore

[frank ether]

I think the FT/lacerate knife is still going to one shot a lot of stuff to the head as a zealot and still give you the mobility benefit so if nothing else you can run around collecting plasteel and let someone else deal with your problems

[smoky blaze]

ok

[finite imp]

also you pay more taxes by using a recon

and taxation is theft

[frank ether]

you pay all the taxes for no benefit lmao

when the base dps is so low any percentage increase over it is also rly low

[raw steppe]

Katawa shoujo

[frank ether]

play voices of the void

Its funy

[junior needle]

Let me explain this concept using another example. Marksman's focus. If you had to choose between the two, would you pick up Marksman's focus with MK7 Vraks Headhunter autogun, or any of the braced autoguns?

Which one would you think scores more weakspot hits? If you answered Headhunter autogun, you'd be wrong. Because Darktide is a target rich environment, so spraying and praying with a braced autogun will guarantee you way more reliable weakspot kills than the headhunter autogun and careful aiming ever will.
Bruh

[slow sky]

https://tenor.com/view/shock-shocker-shocked-black-guy-gif-27526370

BRO IS SHOOTING INTO HORDES

[idle swallow]

The secret to aiming was to not aim at all, what a fool I was

[junior needle]

Same principle applies here. Volume of fire and good precision beats absolute precision and waiting around. Thus, headhunter is more useful than surgical, in this case.

This is about a vraks 7.

[slow sky]

im fucking losing it

[frank ether]

executioner stance moment

[slow sky]

im not even in this conversation and im fucking livid

[junior needle]

after getting downvoted a bunch he edited his message to include that big text and more

I generously spaced it out for readability

[frank ether]

not entirely wrong I stack MF quicker with brauto

[junior needle]

Well yeah, but brautos also have dogshit finesse

[frank ether]

yes

[junior needle]

Don't think you even use that on the headhunters either

[frank ether]

V7 could benefit well

it needs some juicing for certain bps

[junior needle]

Clearly it needs crit/weakspot damage perks

[frank ether]

problem is not with the benefits of MF

[junior needle]

Then you'd hit those bp's for sure, way better than flak and maniac

[frank ether]

its the stack gain/lose process

being tied to movement

which will hit slower weapons harder

iags and brautos are really fast weapons on top of having good hipfire and lots of ammo

[slow sky]

is this the same guy who said surgical is bad
is he really saying 100% crit chance is bad while also take 10% crit damage

[frank ether]

I think laspis also pretty good candidate for MF

actually benefits from finesse too

but the main thing is

10 stacks of movement on laspis is probably a lot more than 10 stacks of movement for HH or helbore

or those few seconds of grace period

they just cover more ground in the same timeframe

[frank ether]

I checked after you mentioned tthis

and yes I infact do not use mf on HH guns lmao

except one build

where I take it for %10 rending

its vraks 3 ironically

not agri HH or v7

[junior needle]

Well it was more you as in "people in general"

But I thought so

[frank ether]

oh

right

I think a lot of the

top percentile vet players

seem to have adopted no keystone mentality

or just the common voc path

[junior needle]

Let's use another example. Infantry Lasguns. If you want to take full advantage of Deadly Accurate, do you use MK IV or MK XII? Obviously, MK IV, because of its higher volume of fire! It may have lower damage, but the fact that you'll be shooting more, and throwing more las downrange, means you have a higher chance of not only killing stuff, but also proccing a crit weakspot hit.

You aim at enemy head level, and compensate for the fact that not every shot can be a perfect shot with volume of fire. Because in a usual Damnation game, no shot is a perfect shot. You take the shots you can get, and don't lollygag.
He keeps editing more onto the post the more he gets downvoted.

I've spaced it to spare your eyes

[frank ether]

I mean, technically not wrong but what even is the goalpost I'm so lost

like yes MG4>MG12

[junior needle]

Goalpost is "surgical bad and also on vraks 7"

[frank ether]

thats so ironic

because surgical would slap on iLas 12

[junior needle]

It really would

[frank ether]

it would outperform HH so hard due to slow firing nature of it

[gusty bison]

Surgical bad

Wha

Lmao

[frank ether]

and also the benefit of being able to get regular bodyshot crits on demand

[junior needle]

I've been quoting a reddit post where a guy goes on about how surgical is bad, including on 2a revolver and vraks 7.

[gusty bison]

Lmao

Send me the link

[frank ether]

I enjoy HH deadshot v7 but honestly surgical is so much easier to work with

[junior needle]

Sent, it's near the top.

Not sure how particular the "witch hunting" rules are or if quoting specific reddit posts apply

[frank ether]

To distract you from reddit brainrot, I was thinking what if recons were balanced around heat as a limiter as opposed to ammo

as a concept I think heat is interesting mechanic thats rather underutilized

[junior needle]

I would not be opposed to that provided it was well tuned, but that's a distinct possibility for helguns instead

[frank ether]

I'm thinking a slower build-up of heat compared to plasma but maybe this is a better mechanic for helguns yeah

[junior needle]

DRG has a plasma smg with a heat mechanic

It isn't very good but it can be interesting

I think you can set enemies on fire with it with certain upgrades

[frank ether]

I dont think what I want for recon is for it to be very good

or compete with iag in dps

I want it to hold its ground while bringing unique skill ceiling

currently it has less skill ceiling than brautos in terms of picking it up and using

[junior needle]

It's fine if it's not as good as IAG's in dps, but not that far behind, provided it has a much deeper ammo pool to compensate.

Or you could go full redesign and turn them into borderlands double anarchies

[frank ether]

mm

[junior needle]

Quite inaccurate but absolutely murderizes anything in the general direction you're facing

You can still kill things at range but it's less efficient because spread

[frank ether]

yea I think they want brautos to fill that sort of niche currently

[gusty bison]

Found the post

Holy shit

The whole thread is full of idiots

They are calling for Helbore buffs

[junior needle]

Welcome to reddit

[gusty bison]

Headhunter buffs

Bolter buffs

[old quail]

why is this dude takin marksman's focus

with brautos

what da hell

[frank ether]

oh lmao

I did that last week or so

[gusty bison]

Like

[frank ether]

I told you I would psyop deadshot mf brauto into reddit meta

seems like I succeeded

[gusty bison]

Lmao

[frank ether]

its happening

[gusty bison]

I...

Im dead

[frank ether]

you wanna know the funny thing is

its a better build than recon

[old quail]

the only argument i will accept for bolter being bad is that 1 crab clip where a guy misses like every shot and shoots a bulwark to open it, then ignores the opened bulwark and goes back to missing shots on gunners

[frank ether]

purely because brautos just dont run out of ammo

[frank ether]

oh wow

how do you come to that conclusion

I think this person might be testing grays maybe?

even so headhunters have nutty headshots and absolutely beat iLas for carapace even stock

I just dont see how you can come to that conclusion

[light ore]

i don't even know about the comparison, but a moderatly well built vraks 7 1 taps basically everthing below mauler

it sometimes takes 2 taps for flamers and ragers

[frank ether]

again this is vraks 3 on crusher, the ''low finesse'' variant of headhunters

[serene sage]

i found the threat

[frank ether]

iLas would dream of this

[serene sage]

honestly it's not bad

[light ore]

and 3 just chews through stuff

[serene sage]

it's like 50% good takes 50% bad takes

[serene sage]

like this one is reasonable

don't touch damage, slightly better draw

slightly better ammo

[frank ether]

agri has even higher potential dps but is let down by having rough recoil compared to v3

vraks 3 has pure vertical recoil

[serene sage]

for most reddit threads balance talks

this one is... fine?

[frank ether]

agri HH for some reason goes horizontal

on the second shot

so your chances of missing like %50 of your shots is high

[hollow ibex]

yes, but also nerf plasma primary fire

[serene sage]

i mean we are talking bolter

i hate how every bolter discussion, plasma is mentioned

[hollow ibex]

it's kinda the 800 pound gorilla in the room in any bolter discussion

[light ore]

i hate how every ~~bolter ~~discussion, plasma is mentioned

[serene sage]

like we all know plasma is a bit strong (understatment)

[frank ether]

I hate plasma so much

this is why making low skill floor high impact precision weapons

is a terrible terrible idea

[serene sage]

you know what

fuck it

give me the storm bolter

twice reload time

twice draw time

twice mag

twice damage

[frank ether]

I'd take twice mag twice reload time

[serene sage]

just go full stupid

[light ore]

let me akimbo bolters cowards

[frank ether]

ayo

boltpistol when

[serene sage]

fuck it we ball

or just give us the exitus

either pistol or rifle

but FS has zero balls

[hollow ibex]

isn't that just the revolver

[gusty bison]

He cant hit headshots in psykanium clearly

[junior needle]

Same (or even reduced) ammo reserve so your zealot can magdump into chaffe even faster

[frank ether]

pulling rodent down is a difficult task for reddit gamers

its like a common thing with fps games

people who are perplexed by the idea of

pulling your mouse down

[serene sage]

we need this helmet

asap

[frank ether]

that will be 20 mullas

-fatshark probably

[terse idol]

Nulls confirmed?????

[gusty bison]

Also like

I s2g

[serene sage]

also, she's thicc

[gusty bison]

A lot of people dunno how to use bolter

[serene sage]

im sorry but like she's dummy thicc wtf

[frank ether]

nice

[light ore]

this looks like satan's beer guzzler

[gusty bison]

"Bolter has no ammo and I run out of it so fast and it doesnt kill anything"

Yes ur fucking magdumping a high recoil weapon and missing 70% of ur bullets

[frank ether]

yeah because you're trying to kill the walls

[light ore]

i don't know how to use bolter

[frank ether]

is what I wish to say

[light ore]

i've never used it

[frank ether]

except dont have a reddit account

[light ore]

do you just click on things and it works

[gusty bison]

Bolter on vet is a dmr

[frank ether]

probably for the better

[serene sage]

what are you saying?

[old quail]

https://streamable.com/mju5zg

[gusty bison]

So yes

[old quail]

hold m1 in the direction of carapace

success

[atomic zephyr]

god i love the kantrael heavy laspistol

[frank ether]

on vet you just run surgical-deadshot and one shot things with it

[terse idol]

What I'd this game?

[gusty bison]

This is zealot

[frank ether]

on zealot Idk suffer? nah I'd probably still do blazing piety + surgical I think

[gusty bison]

U get a pass

[terse idol]

Martyr?

[old quail]

the magdump MACHINE

[gusty bison]

Cos zealot has dance of death

[serene sage]

nuh uh

[gusty bison]

So u can magdump accurately

[serene sage]

wanna guess again?

[atomic zephyr]

i should use my boltgun again

[frank ether]

tho honestly zealot can probably get away with magdumping due to how much recoil reduction you get

[gusty bison]

Yep

[light ore]

"dmr but chunks hordes" is why i run agri shotty

time to become a bolter stan

[gusty bison]

50% recoil reduction, 75% spread reduction

[atomic zephyr]

is using boltgun on horde trash worth the ammo

instinct says no

[old quail]

zealot also gets chastise so ur getting flak adm values vs crushers

[sterile wadi]

Yay or NAY?

[atomic zephyr]

eesh that first target

[frank ether]

I still think deadshot deserves spread reduction

[serene sage]

you can, kinda, watch your ammo, and aim for multiple kill at once

[gusty bison]

I wouldnt mind deadshot buffs

[serene sage]

I do shoot horde with bolter, I don't magdump

there is a difference

[atomic zephyr]

yeah that's fair

[gusty bison]

Magdumping generally is a waste of ammo

[atomic zephyr]

when i say magdump i mean "shits fucked, outta nades, need to evaporate horde NOW"

[serene sage]

just melee in which case

[atomic zephyr]

mh true

[gusty bison]

Even on zealot vs most threats u need like

4 shots

[serene sage]

i shoot horde to support the person in melee if they look overwhelmed

[gusty bison]

Cos u just nail 4 headshots

[serene sage]

cause waveclear in pubs is meme

[frank ether]

I think I see this as less of a buff but more of an enabler for certain weapons to synergize with it

[gusty bison]

Fair

[terse idol]

Rogue trader?

[light ore]

holy hell

[terse idol]

[light ore]

i forgot

[serene sage]

here's another hint

there is like one single 40k game with grey knights haha

[terse idol]

This means nothing to me

[light ore]

a heavily modded version of xcom 2

[frank ether]

I mean crit brauto will suck no matter what but if you want to be discount blazing zealot I think you should be able to have it

[light ore]

?

[terse idol]

Oh chaos gate

Which I just had to google

[serene sage]

fuck you are not far from the truth hahaha

[terse idol]

You can get blanks on your team?

[serene sage]

Chaos Gate Demonhunters

[serene sage]

yes sir

you get one of each assassins

and yeah it's weird

[terse idol]

[sterile wadi]

Grey Knights from Dark Crusade

[terse idol]

Also wow they really uh

[serene sage]

but allegedly cullexus can control their nullfields

[terse idol]

Went with just the headgear

[serene sage]

and gks are so strong psychic wise they might not care regardless

[terse idol]

GK's showing us yet again they're the biggest Mary sues 😌

[serene sage]

the callidus is a lot more fan servicey lmao

[terse idol]

Which is fair

I guess I wouldn't put it past a blank having a struggle against huge psychic threats

[serene sage]

yeah i mean the Big E himself has a Sister of Silence entourage

[junior needle]

snu snu

fuggin ripped

[serene sage]

indeed UwU

[edgy dew]

ended up with maniac/unyielding on an aggripina shotgun, can only swap one, recommendations?

[ebon umbra]

maniac but idk if maniac does anything crazy for shotties

i imagine you'd probably perform v similarly unless you were looking for some quirky niche role to define a playstyle i guess?

[edgy dew]

im not, just trying to optomize it

also why on earth is my name grey did I miss accepting rules or something

[white minnow]

iirc it's grey until you have a certain amount of activity on this server, whatever the criteria for "activity" is

it's to prevent spam since grey names don't have image posting perms and whatnot

[edgy dew]

ah okay, my fault I tend to drop this server whenever I stop playing darktide for a few months 😅

[keen skiff]

what are good perks for the dragon's breath shotgun?

[terse idol]

Yeah to prevent the raids that occurred a few weeks ago

[golden nacelle]

What ta'll think about this blade?

Changes?

[junior needle]

You'll want to exchange one of the blessings for uncanny, both can work but mercy killer requires using serrated blade all the time. One of the perks for flak as well.

You're better off not fighting naked ragers with your knoife and just using your gun

so maniac will likely have little value for you currently

Also keep in mind that mercy killer only applies on the second hit with serrated

[golden nacelle]

So probably maniac to flak and riposte to uncanny

[junior needle]

I like riposte over mercy personally, but that's just me.

If you don't mind the talent tax then mercy is fine

[junior needle]

But limited value against melee chaffe due to that

[golden nacelle]

Yeah. I thought maybe it would pair well with my graia brauto

[soft blade]

brauto’s one of the better choices with knife

[golden nacelle]

Since that thing can spit a lot of bullets to thin horde. I'm just trying new things

Just for some fun and variety

[junior needle]

[golden nacelle]

I do prefer my Agri brauto though, to the graia

[frank ether]

agri just better on vet

[soft blade]

yeah

[golden nacelle]

The Agri is more reliable for chunky targets

[soft blade]

graia is funny though

[frank ether]

graia and columnus are better on zealot

because %75 spread reduction lmao

[golden nacelle]

Haha, yeah

[frank ether]

I just think

iags are better on vet

for almost all purposes

[soft blade]

i mean yeah

[frank ether]

they make more of what talents are available to you

[golden nacelle]

Well, the Agri brauto is sick though

[frank ether]

not as sick as agri iag

easier to magdump with I guess

[golden nacelle]

I hear that ciag is bet l best?

Is best*

[hollow ibex]

naaaaaaaaaaaah

[soft blade]

indeed

agri has better range though

[frank ether]

agri iag is nutty

[soft blade]

which can be pretty nice at times

[frank ether]

1 shots basic shooters

and gunners I think you can 2-3 shot

[hollow ibex]

both agri autoguns are fantastic

i prefer braced though

[golden nacelle]

I've got a decent rolled ciag, but I'll want a better one before I really get into using it

[frank ether]

just nothing it does better than the iag in the hands of someone who can aim

[hollow ibex]

might get nerfed next patch so enjoy it now

[subtle schooner]

is there any mods that gimmie the look of that red plasma gun rodin uses?

[hollow ibex]

much bigger mag, and also bigger reserve ammo

[frank ether]

isnt it like

[frank ether]

only bigger by a few rounds

let me check my rolls

[hollow ibex]

20% larger mag size

and 25% more ammo

[frank ether]

It also kills in more shots and is generally less accurate though

[hollow ibex]

i haven't found the accuracy to be an issue tbh

agri is the most accurate braced after all

can deal with snipers and shit no prob

[frank ether]

its still not as accurate as iags

[golden nacelle]

Same

[frank ether]

and snipers are..

uh

made of paper

[hollow ibex]

well you commented on accuracy

snipers tend to be far away

and hard to hit with poor accuracy

[golden nacelle]

I'll have to try an Aiag

[frank ether]

they are a problem when they hide behind bars and bridges or fences

[soft blade]

u shud

[hollow ibex]

haven't had issues yet, that's all i can say

as long as i can see them, i can hit them

and the nice thing about agri is the stagger

[soft blade]

columnus is probably gonna get the axe sooner rather than later (hopefully) and by that point agri iag is gonna be the meta

[hollow ibex]

land one shot and they're staggered

[golden nacelle]

I think I might have a roll or two on them to roll the dice on consecrating

[frank ether]

again its like what I said at the beginning

if you can aim better

iag will offer more

thats all I argued for

[hollow ibex]

well agri iag does have better finesse or something i think

but honestly i think agri braced still benefits from good aim nearly just as much

[tall torrent]

I wish braced autoguns had a faster reload speed

[hollow ibex]

yeah that's def a spot the IAG wins at

[golden nacelle]

Brauto does just feel good to shoot though. Love when you're fighting in melee, In the thick of it, and a soon as there's a little space whipping out that brauto and going Rambo on those heretics

[hollow ibex]

but 25% larger mag so eh

[frank ether]

there is no good aim with brauto on veteran

you just shoot at a big circle

to be fair to agri br it at least starts small compared to others

but it just lacks the finesse to make use of it

so you get more ammo to make up for it

[golden nacelle]

Mmmm, disagree plush

You get mad accuracy with burst fire on the Agri

[hollow ibex]

yeah bursting helps a lot

though obv an agri iag still has better finesse and accuracy

[golden nacelle]

Also, if you run the weapon customization mod you can get pinpoint accurate with the laser pointer

It's pretty dope, NGL

[hollow ibex]

I need a new Agri IAG

Stability on my current one makes it feel like an Agri HH

[frank ether]

that doesnt affect the accuracy of your weapon

purely visual

[slow spade]

I actually really like the look of this gun

I need to steal its drip

[acoustic sapphire]

What is it about the Standard Issue Shovel that makes getting level 4 blessings so difficult.
I've not been gifted a single one, Sour Milk sold me two of them that both had level 3 blessings.
I'd like to fully upgrade it.

I'm really enjoying the Plasma Gun, so I need a good horde clearing melee weapon.

[hollow ibex]

Power sword for the ultimate meta slave combo

[slow spade]

Power Sword is waifu

[soft blade]

power sword? more like power nap

[slow spade]

also consider getting Blaze Away on that plasma

(caps at 3)

[frank ether]

this is what you'd get on 79 stability

quite big recoil scaling

and sway aswell

but you can get rid of sway with deadshot I guess

[hollow ibex]

Yeah will be worth. I don't even have 60 stability atm

[frank ether]

thats rough

[hollow ibex]

Not a huge fan of the columnus or graia

[frank ether]

ammo is a better dump stat on this than stab

since it doesnt scale too much

[hollow ibex]

Good to know

[frank ether]

I never actually tried

running agri iag

with all the gun juice

might be able to hit some funny bps with exec or mf

thats worth a shot

[acoustic sapphire]

I do have it on this one, but it carries less ammo.

[frank ether]

Its uh... not bad

I might actually take this for a spin

[slow spade]

you can reroll 2 slots though

the plasma you posted earlier can reroll another thing

for example

[acoustic sapphire]

True. It's probably worth it. I'll make the change.
I can always save resources and roll for a new one.
I dropped another 480k today just to get a decent Plasma. Kept rolling >330.

[hollow ibex]

With or without onslaught?

[frank ether]

without

[tall torrent]

Agripinaa IAG has some great breakpoints

[hollow ibex]

Interesting

[frank ether]

I think onslaught would be better but I can't really fit it with mf

[slow spade]

and ultimately, if you don't like Blaze Away. You can just change it again

[hollow ibex]

Yeah makes sense

[frank ether]

I would have to leave a lot of stuff on middle path

to fit both

[tall torrent]

But I always felt it was really strong with headshots, but rather underwhelming if you’re not getting headshots

[hollow ibex]

I always take stuff in the middle path myself

[frank ether]

Yeah dps falls off a cliff if you're not headshotting or critting

[hollow ibex]

Iron will and demo team master race

[frank ether]

mf would be really solid if it was based on accuracy rather than movement

its still solid

its just the way you use it is silly

you just stop playing the game for a few seconds and headshot things

I'm also starting to think maybe 15 stacks is better option cause you end up sitting still regardless

[hollow ibex]

idk i like camo, so i start most fights at near or full stacks

i also move around a lot

huh so i just realized agri braced actually has some ok cleave

maybe it's time to cosplay as a recon lasgun enjoyer

and magdump into hordes all game

[frank ether]

oh btw

as I suspected

I can consistently one shot gunners if I juice the agri iag enough

I am this short from not needing executioner to do it

%20 flak with 78 stopping

maybe a godroll could do it?

as for the dreg gunner it needs exec regardless

[jolly hemlock]

question why does no one collect any materials or even react to market and pinged med/ammo crates? i geniunly dont understand its even in auric maelstrom the same are people overwhemled by fighting and listening?

[frank ether]

probably a teammate issue

[jolly hemlock]

its the always the same in 95% of all pugs

[frank ether]

sometimes I'm too busy picking up slack to loot

I'll consider myself lucky if teammates are doing anything productive

[hollow ibex]

Fuck damage or saving teammates. I'll happily run through three reapers to pick up that plasteel stash

[jolly hemlock]

yea fine but atleast they could react o marked/pinged stuff

[frank ether]

sure but you know

people

[hollow ibex]

Sometimes you have to tell them in voice chat

[slow spade]

the skill bar for players in Darktide is so ungodly low

[frank ether]

there is no SBMM for aurics remember

[slow spade]

the fact they even occasionally pick up things is worth praise

[frank ether]

anyone with a fresh account lvl30 can join

[jolly hemlock]

thats my last resort if they still dont react i use the medpack or whatever

[frank ether]

so your teammate experience will be wildly varying

[junior needle]

There's a very small population of hardcore players who have ridiculous stores of mats and dockets from playing. But those are fairly few.

As for everything else, I noticed pubs are quite dense and have a "let someone else do it" attitude. I once had a psyker absolutely refuse to pick up an ammo crate for the rest of us when we were all loaded up with medis and ammo despite pinging it many times.

Including putting a waypoint arrow on it

[frank ether]

what I do is I agressively spam ping stuff

[slow spade]

yeah when I have to deal with psykers I generally swap medkits for ammo boxes

[frank ether]

the sound usually wakes people up

the sound of ping ping ping ping

[jolly hemlock]

same sometimes it works i literally do anything in the books that is possible

[frank ether]

whenever I get caught for a dog 50/50 chance I have to do that

[tough tiger]

Ping sound in this game isnt as pronounced as in other games i think

[jolly hemlock]

i understand for ammo or whatever but a medcrate or med stimm they heavily gain something from it

[frank ether]

its both good and bad that it isn't

[slow spade]

ping sound should get progressively louder the more you ping

[frank ether]

but can't make a game based around lowest common denominators

I think ping sound is fine

[slow spade]

LOUDER

[junior needle]

Psykers are the worst about it. I get not wanting to take the ammo box as a psyker, but if everyone else is full up and you/me are the last ones before the drop down who can still take it, you can just take it.

[frank ether]

if people dont react to ping spam they are a lost cause lmao

[slow spade]

ikr

you can even give ammoboxes to people now

[junior needle]

Really?

[slow spade]

yeah

[tough tiger]

Yeah

[jolly hemlock]

yea

[junior needle]

How?

[slow spade]

I often swap stims with my friends

[tough tiger]

Use the special attack button

[jolly hemlock]

but its extremely tedious if they are not even close

[tough tiger]

Hold and release

[slow spade]

special attack and release, do not left click like my friends did lol

[slow spade]

indeed

[tough tiger]

Give them during down time

[slow spade]

its mostly for coordinated groups or in elevators imo

[tough tiger]

Otherwise you'll be chasing someone with a medkit

[frank ether]

I love how psykers get a free pass for a lot of things vet gets hated for lmao

[slow spade]

but a Zealot with Combat Stim will always be a happy zealot

[frank ether]

''you dont have to manage resources vet bad design'' says the psyker, holding smite for an entire game

[slow spade]

to be fair, psykers have been shit on by Fatshark for so long

I give them the pass for still sticking with it

[tough tiger]

I wish i could hoard concentration stims when i'm using book zealot

[slow spade]

same but with VOC Vet lol

[frank ether]

thats a very small sample of psyker players

most of em are new players that joined after P13

as is with any class

[slow spade]

true, I play with a psyker that's been around since release

[jolly hemlock]

i think vet is the most overplayed class and skill between players varies the most

[frank ether]

I think its just lame for older players that original playstyles for vet&psyker got kinda shafted in favor of new and arguably much stronger options

[slow spade]

and he has a deep hate for other psykers

[jolly hemlock]

most dont even know how to use a fucking melee weapon

[frank ether]

like sharpshooter exec vet or brain burst psyker is just no longer fitting to the new state of the game

[slow spade]

rip my Kantreal MK12...

[junior needle]

Psyker was nothing but upgrades imo

Whereas ranged vet...

[rain badger]

Vet tree rework when

[frank ether]

I still think what ranged vet has is fine power wise

[slow spade]

was thinking more of all the nerfs and broken abilities Psyker had for a while

[tough tiger]

Smite is my only melee weapon

[frank ether]

like both exec and mf are very potent in stats its just the gameplay around it thats not right

they could easily iron it out

[tiny summit]

It's the every man, the first class option and is sold on it leaning on the shooting aspect of an fps. No surprise. People want to be shooty man in a game with shooting

[slow spade]

old Psyker moment

[jolly hemlock]

smite works fine for that in 90% of the cases but everyone in heresy+ should have a very decent melee capability

[rain badger]

Would love autogun based perks. Laser weapons get a perk, why not bullet weapons?

[slow spade]

just give me a grenade keystone

I want to lob nades

[frank ether]

you don't really need it with current ammo perks

can just dump points into more damage

[junior needle]

A lot of the power comes from the guns, as opposed to the talent tree being good for ranged specifically

[tough tiger]

You say that while every psyker i see that smites a poxwalker horde gets shredded

[junior needle]

Compare pbb to exe, etc

You know

[tiny summit]

Still think you are greatly overexaggerating the not moving aspect of MF. I would change stack numbers and leniency but you can move

[tough tiger]

They even do it in auric damnation

[junior needle]

Or scriers gaze

[frank ether]

I mean both exec and mf can push your guns into new bps which is fine, its very easy to make ranged builds overpowered with too much power

I think the power offered is plenty

[rain badger]

Not talking ammo really, but like something that would be unique for bullet weapons. A built in dum dum perk or increase penetration, ect

[frank ether]

like look at that agri iag build from earlier its one shotting both gunners

[slow spade]

autoguns get assail tracking on their rounds UwU

[frank ether]

the only problem is its wildly impractical to play like a human sniper turret

and its unfun

[junior needle]

Which I think, is largely due to the guns themselves being strong as opposed to what vet offers specifically.

[jolly hemlock]

i mean most vet keystones are shit or very depending on weapons/situation i dont use any...

[frank ether]

part of the issue is that too yes

[slow spade]

ping keystone is very comfy though

[frank ether]

for melee to be strong you need to build a lot of talents around it

[slow spade]

team buffs and consistent value

[frank ether]

for guns its not really the case

[rain badger]

WHAT

[frank ether]

just need ammo juice and finesse juice really

[slow spade]

I'm a balance god

[frank ether]

didnt they hotfix that

[rain badger]

What is assail?

[slow spade]

I hope not

[jolly hemlock]

wait how doe that work?

[slow spade]

the funny shard

[frank ether]

''Fixed an issue where enemies that weren’t aimed at could be hit by fully automatic weapons while aiming down sights and using a gamepad.''

[slow spade]

bullets always hit weakpoint UwU

[jolly hemlock]

wait unly with controller?

[slow spade]

lol

[rain badger]

Ohhh, those are cool. How about shredder nade fragments turn into assails. Like some goofy borderlands grenade.

[slow spade]

I knew aim assist was "odd" in Darktide but not like that :p

[jolly hemlock]

time to give my psyker a autogun

[slow spade]

"bee grenade"

[jolly hemlock]

but if it onlyx works with controller then its garbage

[frank ether]

there is no such effect for mouse

iags hit exactly where aimed

[tiny summit]

Just wish the iron sights and recoil would align with the actual cone of fire...

[frank ether]

I gave up on that

just using crosshair mod

[pulsar radish]

Ps mk 3 or 6?

[hollow ibex]

mk6 is jsut straight up better

considering how much of a pain it is to build a ps, you might as well go for the mk6

[tiny summit]

I did too. Still want it to not be that way

[pulsar radish]

Fair is that the anti horde one or the anti armour

[hollow ibex]

anti-game

kills everything

[pulsar radish]

Perfect

I like killing everything

[frank ether]

yea same

I still want it, I just gave up expecting

Its still better than iLas

iLas are horrendeous

[tiny summit]

I don't have an issue with iLas

[junior needle]

Ilas need to bounce less. I have one with 80% stability and it still bounces a ton, even with deadshot and exe active.

Seems like adjustments to it do basically nothing

Also more flak damage

[frank ether]

it like, bounces all over the place lmao

[junior needle]

You can kinda mitigate by using weapon fov

[frank ether]

iags separate from crosshair when magdumping but thats easier to predict

[junior needle]

And extending the distance of the weapon from your view

[frank ether]

yea thats what I'm doing and it tends to work

Its just that

its really not a ''marksman weapon''

the way I use them

just spam at head level

I take my time more with agri iag or vraks guns

[wanton dawn]

It has a crap animation more than straight up terrible recoil

[frank ether]

yeah visual recoil

not even real recoil

[slow spade]

...

[frank ether]

just the illusion of recoil

which is worse than the real thing

somehow

Its... not terrible still

[terse idol]

It's like not thaat bad imo

yeahh

[frank ether]

but I still dont see the ''niche'' of iLas

when iags and hhs are so potent and can murk carapace pretty well too

[wanton dawn]

I dont like "click click click" weapon

[slow spade]

its the fact it low-rolled 3 times in a row

the fucking tier 1 opening salvo

[raw steppe]

to be fair

[slow spade]

I just realized that

[raw steppe]

you bought it

[slow spade]

yeah

[raw steppe]

with that t1 blessing

it didn't roll on

lol

[slow spade]

I meant I just realized it was lvl 1

pain though

[finite imp]

1. Knife best weapon
2. Earth is flat

[junior needle]

I wouldn't have rolled it with that damage roll

[wanton dawn]

3. Zealot is melee and vet is ranged

[junior needle]

Unless you're farming blessings

in which case

[serene sage]

3. Santa isn't real

[tall torrent]

Supposedly
Kill maniac very well + great headshot TTK + low recoil + optic sight + high firing uptime

[frank ether]

eeh I mean

sort of

[tall torrent]

The low recoil aspect is true in the sense that if you’re clicking at max RPM they do have lower recoil than vraks7

Much lower & more predictive

[muted knot]

Just run agri IAG

Extrapoint if you run the new coat and the old Armageddon helmet

[tall torrent]

But they just have a pretty limiting inverse dmg system on top of having horrendous flak dmg

[tall torrent]

Agripinaa IAG on full auto has pretty hefty recoil

It’s pretty controllable in bursts tho

[muted knot]

Really ? I've been big chilling with mine tbh

The recoil is like 90% on the first few shots

After that it just chuggs along really well

Like yes it's gonna look a bit mediocre next to Ciag

[tall torrent]

No it’s by far the worst out of the 3 IAGs

[muted knot]

Recoil wise ?

Probably

[tall torrent]

Yea

[muted knot]

Found it to do good work for me

Also it's something new to run

I also run with dum dum speed loader cause the reload time was killing me

[bitter turtle]

I think in practice agri feels reliable still at high ranges bc only a few shots need to hit to kill

Compared to columnus especially

[muted knot]

One to a shooters head

[tall torrent]

It has really good dmg breakpoints for most human sized enemies

That’s its biggest upside

[muted knot]

2-3 for gunners

[tall torrent]

3 shot both gunners & both flamers in the head

[muted knot]

Bang bang

Semi Soviet dakka go brrr

[tall torrent]

if you're only taking the first few shots to kill most enemies agripinaa 1 is very ammo efficient

And the cleave is just very nice to have

[muted knot]

I honestly thought it would do more

The cleave

But it's a nice bonus point

[hollow ibex]

the IAG's cleave is really only on headshots right?

[tall torrent]

Mk1 IAG can cleave like Helbore

1 low mass target

[muted knot]

Why would you not be shooting into horde at head level ?

[hollow ibex]

yeah not very much cleave

[tall torrent]

like this

However

This does allow u to shoot through friendly Ogryns I believe

[hollow ibex]

ok that's pretty nice then

[bitter turtle]

The cleave is nice if you're using a melee without much horde killing speed

[hollow ibex]

the braced has even more cleave iirc

[muted knot]

But it's braced

[hollow ibex]

you say that like it's a bad thing

[tall torrent]

Agripinaa mk1 IAG is not braced

Agripinaa mk8 is different

[hollow ibex]

i was just talking about the braced one

[tall torrent]

Oh braced yea

[candid vapor]

which is better, helbore 1 or 2

[tall torrent]

2 is like maybe 5% better if both are true godrolls, but 2 is way harder to godroll

[candid vapor]

why is that?

[bitter turtle]

1 is easier to hit bps on

[tall torrent]

Because 2 needs
Unarmored (must have)
Maniac (must have)
Onslaught / surgical / no respite

[bitter turtle]

I still run flaniac on my 2

For the stabbo

[tiny summit]

Think weapon discussion is lot better when it isn't bps or bust

[bitter turtle]

Can't one-shot dreg gunners tho

Dropping flak makes flak raged a 3 shot though

With stab

[tall torrent]

Unless you have a ton of resources to throw at brunt & hadron I’d suggest starting with mk1 @candid vapor

[tiny summit]

Eh. Flak on all helbores really is only relevant to flak ragers

[candid vapor]

vet is my least played class atm

so I don't have too many vet specific weapon blessings

any preferred perks on mk1

[bitter turtle]

if you wanted a sniper gun, maybe try v7 since you could have picked up blessings for it on zealot

[tall torrent]

Mk1 HB can get away with a lot of perk options

[candid vapor]

yeah, I don't particularly like the mk7

[candid vapor]

How's stamina?

[tall torrent]

Maniac is a good one
Elite is fine
Unyielding is fine

[bitter turtle]

stamina is never really a good choice

[tall torrent]

Stamina is one of the few that’s like not really relevant on helbore

[bitter turtle]

maybe on a pure mobility knife

[candid vapor]

I would assume on deadshot for helbore it'd be decent

[bitter turtle]

you're better off running stamina curios

[feral cave]

Well.
Guess I'm building a shovel.
Any recommended blessings?

[bitter turtle]

and focus target -> stamina regen subnode

[tall torrent]

Deadshot helbore is pretty anti-synergy

[bitter turtle]

for any deadshot guns

[tall torrent]

Because you’ll spend most of your time in ADS with the gun

When you’re not stabbing

[bitter turtle]

than ssticking stamina on it

[tall torrent]

It’s not like laspistol where you can hipfire 50% the time to conserve stamina

[bitter turtle]

well, if you got goo daim

i could see

precharging

and only adsijng to fire

[tall torrent]

That sounds like way too much effort for a gun on a stick

[bitter turtle]

hipfire charged shots are useful for a melee-focused build stoo

since agile

but yeah it does feel unintuitive

for the precharging

[tall torrent]

If you want to do the funni you can hipfire charge a shot, stab a rager then immediately let go of M1

It kills them nearly instantly

[bitter turtle]

ya

[tall torrent]

Applies to both ragers

[bitter turtle]

that's how i kill dreg gunners at melee lul

since no unarmored = cant oneshot

stab shoots

[feral cave]

Any advice would be appreciated. Gotta go to sleep now, just @ me and I'll see it next time I'm on here. G'night!

[rancid ginkgo]

Deadshot bolter

[bitter turtle]

can the bayonet oneshot bp on dreg bruiser heads without flak too? Im not sure

[frank ether]

deadshot bolter works

weirdly enough better than a lot of ''precision'' guns

[serene sage]

nah bolter is trash

never use it

[frank ether]

wtf

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1093978367159717991.gif?size=64

[hollow ibex]

joined a match

two gunlugger ogryns, one gun psyker

cool, guess i won't be using my gun this match

[frank ether]

lmao

[gaunt hinge]

some guy recommended i take the coolant cells to the furthest objective

i then proceed to plug in all 3 cells ignoring his advice in a minute

[junior needle]

What gun was the psyker using?

[junior needle]

Uncanny/deci is the common combo

Or was back when people still talked about original shovel

[frank ether]

still pretty good combo

[tiny summit]

got a helbore mk3 with 79 charge, onslaught/surgical 4. Yea I cant get behind the charge rate even with this. Only thing I really liked was killing crushers with it

[hollow ibex]

uhh had 600 something ammo, no idea tbh, prob an iag

either way he was either orange/red in ammo or down/needed rescue

and i was using reconm las for the memes

that game did not go well

[soft blade]

lord have mercy

[hollow ibex]

wtf

level 56 with scavenger aura instead of survivalist??

and not exec stance

in auric maestrom

[soft blade]

base volley fire

[hollow ibex]

actually no this is normal auric i think

[junior needle]

Probably forgot to put on the right talents

[hollow ibex]

bu still wtf

[austere mica]

I think thats perkless

[tiny summit]

surgical is all the crit chance you need for helbores. You're charging and lining up shots

[soft blade]

it’s so joever

[junior needle]

I have a dedicated talent set that's just blank for testing purposes

I've left it on when joining games a few times

[hollow ibex]

NA at night

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1071160030063243265.webp?size=48&name=kms&quality=lossless

[soft blade]

degen hours quick play is a godforsaken wasteland

[tribal tangle]

Best helbore blessings?

[soft blade]

surg and onslaught

maybe not onslaught for mk2 i forgor

but mk1 surg and onslaught

[junior needle]

Typically surgical and onslaught, some people use surgical/no respite just to get more value from surgical

[junior needle]

Is that old ass zur the enchanter art?

[tribal tangle]

indeed

[tiny summit]

onslaught is still good on mk2, its just that mk2 can get away w/o it

[junior needle]

Thought it looked familiar

[tribal tangle]

my most oppressive deck, probably goes without saying

[tiny summit]

lvl 600 "Gigachad" ogryn

oh shit theres also "Giga-chad" in this same match

[tribal tangle]

incoming carry

is falter junk on helbores?

[junior needle]

Falter is junk on everything

[sharp ember]

why stagger when kill

[junior needle]

Don't think there's any gun that uses falter for an actual setup

[sharp ember]

plus i think if they don’t die from being headshot, they’re probably too big to stagger anyway

[junior needle]

Stagger also can keep you from killing because things bob around/hide their heads

Most annoying on reapers

[sharp ember]

maybe it stops ragers and other medium-weight elites

there’s just better options that increase your killing power

[junior needle]

Is very hard to stagger ragers out of the combo

But yeah, death is the best cc. It takes up a blessing slot and doesn't increase damage.