#veteran-class

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finite imp
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Quick play is peak darktide

frank ether
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yeah and taking dhs out of commission opens up the play area

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and prevents the crayon eating vet players from throwing the game

late hatch
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i did a lights out the other day and i swear it was just a non stop chain of DH in almost every room. we didnt have a monster specialist either. i was shouty laspistol ps and my duo was playing void psyker. was a pretty intense match

frank ether
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I like to bring bolter vet with voc+focus

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for spec hunter duty

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bolter isnt as clean as thammer

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but it has a ton of value for other things

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one shotting lots of elites/gunners across the map and giga suppression is actually useful during bossfight

late hatch
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i love the new laspistol. old one shot too fast. new one with the 30% weakspot is clean af if you can click heads

frank ether
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I think both have their place but I also like the new one a lot

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it hits more reliable one shots

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also has a higher carapace modifier

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not high enough to be good baseline mind you

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but works with some crit + rending thrown in

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this would have been so damn good if they didnt rework speedloader

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agile mango
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agri or graia brauto?

opaque kayak
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We’re they named “bonk”?

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Plays na servers and is true level 1100+

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Great player.

frank ether
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nah was on eu

late hatch
hollow ibex
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huh, so flechette + lawbringer special causes bleed on everything hit?

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dafuq

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*on crit

bitter turtle
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yes

hollow ibex
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ig that's the most practical use of flechette KEKW_ogryn

north spoke
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We need Teuton drip

frank ether
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or was it reload speed after sliding

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I've played this for too long I cant recall at this point

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it went through multiple iterations I think

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mainly the problem with it is ''close damage''

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which is practically melee range

late hatch
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yeah it is a bit short, but you can make it work

wanton dawn
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The problem is that taking QoL blessing severely reduce your dps in practice compared to other option

late hatch
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i think after sliding sounds familiar

frank ether
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the whole crafting system is ass tbh

unreal bone
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So hey is there any logic to how many worker threads you should have?

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I'm using a 7800x3d for my processor fyi

frank ether
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less than your max so the game doesnt choke your computer

unreal bone
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p sure 13 was the default?

frank ether
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thats the logic behind how game does it

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13 is your default because you have 16

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I assume it sets it based on your max

unreal bone
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I can go up to 14 but no higher.

frank ether
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that would be leaving a single core for non game tasks assuming game can load up all 7 cores

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which unlikely with your cpu but I could see it happening with a slower 8 core

unreal bone
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So just leave it at 13?

frank ether
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you can try 14

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if you dont notice a difference then its irrelevant

unreal bone
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Might not be worth trying till I get a beefier GPU.

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Only on a 3060ti rn

frank ether
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this toggle is mostly gonna come to use for

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ppl with rly rly old cpus

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or lower core ones

unreal bone
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Yeah I used to have an i7-8700k

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went to 7800x3d back in november.

frank ether
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you're probably limited by 3060ti then

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unless you potato your graphics

unreal bone
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Oh for sure. I have my graphics on uhh.

frank ether
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like I do

unreal bone
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A lot of highs, with things like bloom and shit off.

frank ether
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I have a 5800X3D/6800XT, if I crank up graphics its very easy to max it out around like 100-120 fps range

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I think thats fine for melee playstyle but I dislike the input lag when playing anything that involves good aim

frank ether
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like textures for example

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if you have enough vram its not gonna matter

unreal bone
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I got 8gb vram.

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This is the only game I own where I'm trying so motherfuckin hard to max out fps while also maxxing out quality kek.

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Darktide has had me by the balls since it came out.

frank ether
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yee I feel you

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I'm not verry happy either

unreal bone
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Wait should i be using

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Reflex?

frank ether
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yea

unreal bone
frank ether
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use it

unreal bone
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it always defaults to enable

frank ether
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I can't because amd

unreal bone
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but I keep turning it on to Enabled Boost

frank ether
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I forgot what boost did

unreal bone
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idk why it keeps taking itself off of Enabled + Boost when I restart the game.

frank ether
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I think boost just

unreal bone
frank ether
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puts your card to never throttle

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if I remember right

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boost just makes your gpu keep max clocks

unreal bone
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Ah.

frank ether
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might be wrong

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havent been on nvidia for a while lol

unreal bone
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I like team green I know they can be overpriced, but meh

frank ether
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eh if you're tech savy

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it doesn't matter

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I have bootleg solutions for this kind of stuff

unreal bone
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Wtf does Ambient Occlusion do btw?

frank ether
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it does shading and shit

unreal bone
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Ah is it worth using at all?

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I see you can just straight up turn it off.

frank ether
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in most games its really cheap

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and adds ''shadows'' to a lot of scenes

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if that makes sense

unreal bone
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Yeah I got that.

frank ether
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So basically treat it as like budget shadows

unreal bone
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What do u suggest I put it at?

frank ether
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unless its done with rtx

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then its not so budget

frank ether
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if its up to me I'd potato any setting that hurts fps or visibility

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and then crank up the rest

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I have some extra setting mods so Idk if my suggestions would line up with your experience

hollow ibex
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tried recon VId, it's actually pretty fun

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even if not very good lol

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something about the primitive urge to just hold down LMB

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and watch the gun go brrrrrrrrrrrrt

unreal bone
frank ether
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boot up a private game

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and dont go past the area enemies spawn

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for graphics its not gonna matter much to not have enemies but you can see the impact of your settings on visibility and enviroment

late hatch
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i have a pretty beefy pc but i play with a lot of settings on medium-low to get stable 144fps

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if you only have a 60-75hz monitor you can go a lot harder on graphic settings

frank ether
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I love how the game settings dont even have fps caps past 120

late hatch
frank ether
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I use afterburner for that

late hatch
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but yeah its weird how many games dont, DT had half the fps limit options until the last big update with the twins iirc

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i used to play a lot of tarkov and that game you HAVE to use external stuff to tweak the graphics or else it played like dogwater

frank ether
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tarkov is.. unfortunate

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its plagued by cheaters and worse, basement dwelling milsim types

late hatch
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tarkov is like an awesome idea but owned by an ogryns inbred son and built on entirely the wrong engine

frank ether
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that about sums it up lmao

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but the thing is

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competition doesnt want that idea

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they want to regurgitate it into a casual form

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so the genre is stuck with t*rkov

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and probably will be forever

late hatch
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yeah even at its peak its very niche compared to games like COD and fortnite. big companies always going for that massive win instead of doing a niche properly like Larian Studios with the BG series

frank ether
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niche is good

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but sometimes it walks too niche

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which is not so good

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I think there is a balance to strike

naive niche
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i have a question im looking for a helmet cosmetic that has voice modulation on it is there a list of items that are for the veteran

late hatch
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tarkov is one of the few games i would pay a subscription for if it meant actively moderated servers. but ban waves are too far apart and dont catch most soft cheaters anyway. and their manual review system is a joke

frank ether
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yea I stay away from pvp games with any kind of stakes in it for a reason

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people cheat in the most casual games out there

late hatch
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i was addicted to tarkov for a while. i have almost 2500 hours

tough tiger
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2500 hours wasted

frank ether
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should have spent 2500 hours farming plasteel in warhammer gacha

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clearly

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someone playing this game totally has the authority to talk about how to spend time

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I'm totally not waiting for a shop rotation rn

late hatch
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nah there isnt another game that gets me hyped like tarkov. the heart racing intense fights, finding good stuff and playing super serious trying to get it out. the gun modding is insanely good and nothing else comes close. when it works the pvpve is incredibly good. The maps are huge and highly detailed. the med system is very good.

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i have had many a sweaty hour with good mates having a blast in tarky

jolly hemlock
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oh yea tarkov the cheater infested game

late hatch
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its had waves. but find me a pvp game that doesnt have a cheater problem. I wont be holding my breath, thats for sure

jolly hemlock
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i grew out of most pvp shooters tbh id rather seek extreme pve challenges

late hatch
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its fine if you cant handle pvp and just want to beat on ai, but just coz it isnt your cuppa tea doesnt make it bad

flat dock
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I’m using it with the other +10% rending to boost DoTs even further

jolly hemlock
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i only said its cheater infested which is more or less proven calm your horses

late hatch
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fortnite, apex, cod, hunt, all have cheater problems

frank ether
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difference is moderation

tiny summit
flat dock
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You do realize how easy that is to keep up

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Just aim at heads not center mass

tiny summit
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Yea I know it's easy. It's also an ass node that only activates at 10+ stacks

late hatch
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fyi people cheat at chess and cards all the time too

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and sports

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hand of god, etc

tiny summit
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I play Exe MF almost exclusively atm. MF is piss easy. I still think it's bad

sharp ember
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what about mahjong

flat dock
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It’s not ass when I would have +20% rending on fire and bleed DoT on massive hordes of enemies

frank ether
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at least chess cheaters know how to have fun KEKW_ogryn

late hatch
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idk how to play mahjong but it does come from somewhere known for having a big cheating problem embedded culturally so i would imagine yes, people cheat in mahjong too

tiny summit
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Could have something more impact than a conditional 10% rending when you have already have a 10% rending

sharp ember
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there’s just so many places you could put that talent point elsewhere

frank ether
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Idk conditional %10 rending would be fine if the keystone didnt work so awkwardly

flat dock
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What would be better for this build than an extra 10% rending for the DoT

frank ether
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its less about the bonuses it gives

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its about how it alters your playstyle

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you get %10 rending for... standing still and not playing the game for a few seconds

tiny summit
flat dock
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That’s why I have the max cap of 15 so I can actually play while keeping the 10 rending for free

tiny summit
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15 stacks is also ass

frank ether
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scrap the whole movement mechanic and either make it time based stack erosion or accuracy based lmao

gray finch
unreal bone
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what does XESS do?

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frank ether
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upscale

junior needle
late hatch
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you dont like ghost?

junior needle
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Ghost is alright with deadshot/dnd shenanigans, but efficiency and lacerate...

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Especially lacerate with a weakspot blessing

late hatch
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yeah efficiency is like after not firing for a few seconds your next shot doesnt consume ammo right?

junior needle
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Something like that

gray finch
junior needle
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Not really worth it taking lacerate just for monsters, it's unfortunately a trap blessing currently

gray finch
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300 damage per tick is not that small amount

bitter turtle
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even for monstros

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here

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finally

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me recording this was not a waste

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precog (actually good blessing) vs monstro:

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takes so long to kill i gave up dodging and just hugged a wall and slashed and it still took ages

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bleed is just a bad meme on vet

gray finch
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my guy you dont hit the body ever you only hit body by your hand and applying the bleed

bitter turtle
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im showing

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the bleed dmg

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it is almost nothing

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yes

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it would be faster

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if i just applied punch bleed and heavies on head

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but if im going to

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heavy on head

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then why dont i just use things that actually increase the heavy dmg on head

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when the bleed is so insignificant

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using heavies on head with bleed meme build just means i should be building a weakspot build period

tall torrent
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Am I the only one suffering massive GPU overheat after the most recent hotfix update

late hatch
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my 3080ti gets pretty toasty, but im pushing 144hz

frank ether
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usually is with overheating

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tho Idk what you consider overheating

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like maybe its fine just a little toasty

unreal bone
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Man I swear darktide loves to troll me :<

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well fartshart does

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my favorite gun in the game is the literal worst gun in the game

frank ether
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recon?

unreal bone
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Yep

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Specifically the uh.. The green mark

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whatever it's called

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the one between VIIA and VID

frank ether
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I'd just

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play something else

tiny summit
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Have you tried helbore?

frank ether
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or play something else (different game)

bitter turtle
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btw

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for the record

tall torrent
late hatch
tall torrent
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I’d say that’s a big jump

bitter turtle
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for anyone else that cares about knife memes

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actually punching is a dps loss

frank ether
bitter turtle
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if you cancel fast ur punch doesnt land

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so u literally have to attack slower

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to land those punches

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for your bleed meme

frank ether
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like maybe game is rendering more stuff and draws more power

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or you're getting more fps thus draw more power

tall torrent
frank ether
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oh

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80 degrees at %40 usage would be alarming

tall torrent
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I don’t think going from 60~48 fps to 60fps stable would be that much of a power draw

frank ether
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not for cpu I think its fine for cpu

tall torrent
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Something is going wrong

gray finch
frank ether
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whats your gpu model

tall torrent
unreal bone
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Did they make shovels any good now?

frank ether
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oh right

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in your case the air and cooling is probably shared between gpu/cpu

bitter turtle
frank ether
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so one will affect the other in temps

austere mica
bitter turtle
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i killed it significantly faster than ur build

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with precog instead of bleed

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like i said

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punching is a dps loss

junior needle
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They aren't rashad/psword 6 tier

bitter turtle
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i showed it in the 3rd vid but needing to CONNECT punches means ur attacking slower

junior needle
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But they're serviceable weapons

gray finch
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i build for range and no melee damage

bitter turtle
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fast cancels makes ur punch miss

late hatch
tall torrent
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I play most of my games on low settings to minimize gpu strain

frank ether
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but I got very little value out of them with my old plastic oven of a laptop

late hatch
bitter turtle
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like i said, ur vid starts at 8 second and ends at 45 seccond for the kill

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that's 37 sec kill

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mine is a 27 second kill

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its literally just slower

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im not saying cause you're bad or whatever

late hatch
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and it dropepd temps a bit by giving it a lot more airflow, plus lifitng the screen up to amuch better height

bitter turtle
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bleed is just slower at killign boss than precog

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unless its like

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BoN

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where u dont really dodge much

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to proc precog

frank ether
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last time you posted a video for this

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you were comparing

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weakspot dps vs croch hitting

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so Idk how valid that is

late hatch
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ill show you mine if you show me yours uwugryn

tall torrent
bitter turtle
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my point is just showing that bleed dmg on boss is really not as high as ppl make it out to be

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if im stabbing head with heavies and then inflicting bleed on the side

tall torrent
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Also
It’s going at 80 Celsius at 720p with DLSS performance while GPU usage is only like 30~40%

bitter turtle
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why dont i just stab head more

frank ether
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sure

bitter turtle
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and build for weakpoint

tall torrent
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It’s gotta be the game

frank ether
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there are multiple bleed blessings for knife though

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personally I just take the weakspot damage one

austere mica
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Darktide outright doesn’t use my GPU

frank ether
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and then take +1 bleed talent

frank ether
austere mica
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I should be able to run it at near to max but I have to run it at medium to low because it lags like hell trying to use integrated

frank ether
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higher usage isnt always a good thing tho

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if anything if the game runs well with low usage that would be the most ideal

austere mica
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But like, I should be able to have it run well and look nice

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I have the hardware for it

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The game simply hates me

bitter turtle
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there isnt a weakspot dmg one though? lacerate is non-weakspot, and bloodletter needs crit

frank ether
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there is a blessing that gives weakspot damage on bleeding targets

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or was it power

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no power is executor

bitter turtle
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mercy killer

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in that case

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then u run

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serrated blade

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not a bleed blessing

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and go uncanny/mercy

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which is perfectly fine yes

frank ether
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I run serrated + frags and have bleed uptime

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on boss

bitter turtle
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ya that's fine

frank ether
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I think this is the smartest way

bitter turtle
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but that's not using a bleed blessing then

frank ether
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to go about bleed knife on vet

bitter turtle
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i have no problem with serrated+mercy/uncanny

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though i still prefer precog

unreal bone
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Talk about cleave lmao

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frank ether
unreal bone
frank ether
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come to think of it

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very little things synergize with that +1 bleed node

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Idk why they had to fix onslaught synergy

bitter turtle
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yeah

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its just for mercy killer knife

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which isnt

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bad

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but weirdly specific

frank ether
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It just went from

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niche to

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literally good for a single weapon with a specific niche blessing

unreal bone
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Thanks hadron for TWO blessings that make me immune to range attacks

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final stone
final stone
urban steppe
gray finch
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also the mkIII variant have this bug where the punch doesnt connect sometimes while the mk VI have a little slower punch but always connect

bitter turtle
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its not a bug in mk3's case, you can watch the video i made

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its just a matter of cancelling fast

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well

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maybe it is a bug

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but its consistent and not sometimes

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its just always if u fast cancel it just whiffs

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and i havent tried mk6 but unless its finesse values are different, i find it doubtful anything changes

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and even if the finesse values are much worse (which would nerf percog)

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mercy killer uncanny would still be stronger

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i dont see a big difference trying a mk6

gray finch
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i mean if you can always hit your punch for a bleed and keep hitting head you got this 312 damage form bleed and the mk VI is more of a horde clear then a single target.

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mk VI gainning from light attack after punch

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also in the normal game you wont have sometimes time to attack always boss

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now bosses aside i see in mkIII that percog have more sense then on the VI variant

bitter turtle
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a fully ticked bleed does less than a single heavy hit

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from a precog or mercy killer knife

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and a mercy killer knife will stack bleed eventually anyway from serrated

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and honestly

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if we're talking about "you're not always going to be able to do x"

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needing to weave a punch between every 2 hits is way more of a pain than spamming heavy

gray finch
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not always ii mean that you will ge sworn while attack by monstum

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lets say trapper get to yu you need to get a bit of a space to kill it

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hord block you

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etc

bitter turtle
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having higher dps to drop it asap is even more important then than waiting for bleed ticks to wear it down slowly

unreal bone
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So I don't have this set someone gave me a picture of it earlier and I just realized..

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The pants

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don't even match

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wtf fartshart

gray finch
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you can do 3 thing at the same time not only taking care of hord but also damaging little by little a monstrum and also making a space for additional tread

terse idol
unreal bone
terse idol
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because it's

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datamined

sharp ember
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the chestpiece is pretty clean

unreal bone
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It's not

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That set has already been out it's not datamined

terse idol
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It's in the store?

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Oh

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What?

bitter turtle
unreal bone
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It's BEEN in the store, not in it right now.

terse idol
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I swear I saw every chest piece

unreal bone
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Well rip guess you missed on kek

terse idol
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I just never

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Seeeen anybody wear this

unreal bone
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The camoflauge version has not been in the store yet.

unreal bone
trim hemlock
unreal bone
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The pants are gray with bare metal thigh plates the chest is brown with rust red armor.

trim hemlock
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There's many more sets like these

sharp ember
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yeah… brown metal..

trim hemlock
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Bartell for Ogryn has that issue, notably

unreal bone
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There is only one other recon set.

unreal bone
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It's so frustrating.

terse idol
unreal bone
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Why must they always give us the cool sets, but give us the ugly colored versions.

sharp ember
unreal bone
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The camo one is sick af.

terse idol
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because they want us to mix and match

unreal bone
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And ofc it's not been added since it was originally leaked 13 months ago

terse idol
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🥹

sharp ember
unreal bone
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That set got leaked 13 months ago

unreal bone
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and the green cadian flak suit also got leaked 13 months ago

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It's like they don't want our money.

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They'll make two versions of a set, and then proceede to add the shittier version to the store and completely forget about the cool one.

lucid hinge
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There is also the blue version you can find with the colour mod

unreal bone
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That's a mod, not something fartshart did.

lucid hinge
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I miss vt2s shop system

terse idol
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Fatshark WHAT ARE YE DOIN!

unreal bone
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They can't think bro fr.

lucid hinge
unreal bone
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Revolvers are more powerful than bolters, they made a cool set then replace it with a completely uglier downgrade.

terse idol
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Well

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These aren't THE bolters but

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Eh

unreal bone
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I'm aware these are scaled down versions.

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These are still firing rocket propelled explosive rounds

lucid hinge
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We get the off brand sisters version

unreal bone
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and a revolver is shooting a rinky dink magnum round.

tiny summit
sharp ember
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it’s frustrating to have neither fully customizable clothing colors/patterns nor a wide array of variant appearances to choose from

unreal bone
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Dude yeah tbh Fartshart missed an opprotunity to make money and allow people to have more customization.

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Should've just let us buy camos.

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I know they would've whored it out but idc.

tiny summit
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It's frustrating being sold premium recolors

thick rose
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where my camo cloak 😠

lucid hinge
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I wish to give money fatshark

unreal bone
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Might buy the Salvar coat and combine it with the old steel legion pot helm.

lucid hinge
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Looks really good ngl

muted knot
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This one works well but the old steel legion one is great

lucid hinge
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I love the old helmet so much but the lack of a tube hurts

unreal bone
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That is the old helmet.

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And it has a tube.

muted knot
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The first one that was in the shop

unreal bone
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The shiny pot helm is the old armageddon helmet in warhammer.

muted knot
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I don't know which are new and old in Warhammer time

lucid hinge
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The first SL helm has the goggles down but no tube

muted knot
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Just the first Armageddon one that was in the sjop

muted knot
unreal bone
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Pain bro

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I only found 1 helmet that matches the camo recon gear.

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Like has the same colored plating.

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Krieg stormtrooper I guess idk

lucid hinge
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God they're never gonna release the enforcer set

unreal bone
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I'll be surprised if they ever release the green cadian flak armor set.

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It's been 13+ months so far.

lucid hinge
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Pretty sure that's the only set from that leaked list to not be released

unreal bone
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Nah

unreal bone
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It's also not in.

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The camo recon gear.

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Y'know because if you were a recon unit meant for scouting and observing.. You might want to actually wear some fucking camo?

lucid hinge
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I'm talking about the first leak

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That set wasn't in there

unreal bone
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That was apart of the first leak.

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I remember blabbing about it.

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I can even go back in my messages on this server and talk about it. 🤣

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13 months and counting.

lucid hinge
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Hmmm

trim hemlock
unreal bone
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We're talking about the top two.

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The cool ones.

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The red zealot set is super snooze cause we got the green version last rotation.

terse idol
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Added the leman russ tanker

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Without the hat

terse idol
unreal bone
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We have a good tanker set tbh.

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I just need better legs for my tank commander.

lucid hinge
#

God if you could remove those armor plates

unreal bone
#

Well I mean

#

we already have cadian 802 tanker legs

#

just need to be added ofc. 🤡

#

Darktide in their infinite wisdom makes all of these really cool sets that we want.. And then just decides to keep releasing reskins of the Catachan outfit.

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You know there are like 4 or 5 reskins of the catachan battlegear?

lucid hinge
#

I wish the hat was different instead of a recolored commissiar hat

terse idol
#

I'mdead

lucid hinge
#

Sotrue

unreal bone
#

We got the Default Catachan, Grimwald Campaign, Ice Scar Camo, and Tox-Cobalt..

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And the best part is.

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They are all shit compared to the default first one.

terse idol
#

the recolours making me lose me miind

unreal bone
#

Fr fr

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How do you make 3 recolors of a set

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and they are all infinitely shittier than the original.

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The Tox-Cobalt is just an ugly flat blue, the Ice Scar is okay I guess if you want to wear ice camo and for some reason don't want to just wear the original not a reskin Valhallan ice warriors..

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Then again why do you have a guerilla jungle fighter.. Wearing camo you would wear in the artic where there are no jungles.

#

Grimwald COULD have been good, but that camo on the chest? That is the only camo in the entire set.

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The pants are just gray.

#

How do you fuck it up 3 times fartshart.

junior needle
#

Fatshark apparently has an already made, in game system for recoloring things that's just picking the color and pattern you want.

#

So those recolors they charge the same price for?

#

Literally zero extra effort to produce.

unreal bone
#

Zero effort and they still somehow manage to make them ungodly ugly.

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I'm convinced that they put actual effort into making them look uglier than the original.

lilac jungle
#

This is why i just the the "For the Drip" mod. If everything is shit im not going to pay for any crap.

terse idol
#

I wonder if we'll ever know what really happened behind closed doors or they have some very strict NDA's

unreal bone
#

You know what I hate? the fomo shops people think they generate the company extra money, but that's not really the case.

terse idol
#

Cause honestly I'd pay for a QnA about this situation a few years down the road

unreal bone
#

fomo shops are I can't say the word cause it'll get censored.

terse idol
lilac jungle
terse idol
#

The FoMo Shop is bad because there's an FS dev out here trying to make it so we don't buy stuff

lilac jungle
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I know its a often repeated example, but a 15$ horse in wow made more money then Starcraft 2

unreal bone
# lilac jungle They do though.

They do in small burts, but when they release a wave of cosmetics one week and say it's a bunch of butt ugly fucking red helmets or whatever. People aren't going to buy them, now say 3 rotations from now when those red helmets are not in the shop they eventually add a cool red armor set that is misisng a helmet.

lilac jungle
#

And thats just a single horse

unreal bone
#

Well people can't go back and buy the red helmet.

terse idol
#

That never did come back

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But I know what you mean

unreal bone
#

Fomo and having everything available at once generate the same income, one is just more flat and consistent while the other is just sharp spikes.

terse idol
#

You're quoting Thor, and it holds true to market trends of now

lilac jungle
#

I am quoting him, but he isnt wrong.

terse idol
#

At this rate, until we can know how much money darktide' makes on cosmetics alone, yeah

#

I mean you're probably right

unreal bone
#

There are tons of sets that got added months ago that people would love to buy right now, but we can't buy them cause they aren't in the shop which means missed money. 😔

terse idol
#

I've definetly spent more money on fomo than the base cost of the game saddly

lilac jungle
#

yep

bitter turtle
lilac jungle
#

i Think i matched the game price

terse idol
bitter turtle
#

in practice, idk if it actually happens or not in this case

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i know it works well in some games

terse idol
#

Which keeps people talking about darktide it keeps it on your mind

bitter turtle
#

but darktide maybe idk i feel like the cosmetic aspect is so minor that it might not work as well

lilac jungle
#

With the Scion helmet, Ogryn forehead aquilla and Cadian pants

unreal bone
#

What keeps darktide in my mind is the fact I love the gameplay.

bitter turtle
#

but like in heavy cosmetics/fashion based games (like mmos)

unreal bone
#

The shop actually makes me want to stop playing it, but the loop brings me back.

bitter turtle
#

i will say even I have gone and bought stuff because

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"what if it matches an outfit later but then its gone?????"

terse idol
#

🥹

lilac jungle
#

Besides those 3 i havent bothered to get anything, and wont after this

lucid hinge
bitter turtle
#

i dont in darktide just bc the cosmetics and character creation is just whatever

lucid hinge
#

If the game wasn't fun as hell to play it would've suffered payday 3s fate

bitter turtle
#

so idk but maybe if someone is super into the darktide character customization, maybe? lol idk

terse idol
#

well we really haven't proven the investors/consumer speculators wrong with our purchases

unreal bone
terse idol
#

But with what 69 said earlier... I can't help but feel these systems were added in later due to investor preassure

#

And not on FS's choice

bitter turtle
#

like for some games (pso2) i literally only play it for the dress up

terse idol
#

The whole FS being bought out may have hit the game harder than I originally thought

bitter turtle
#

so i would rather buy it an potentially have a piece of clothing i dont end up using than risk missing out and it spikes in price on the player market later or whatever

#

but in darktide yeah

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im more likely just to say

#

meh whatever

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and forget it

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and skip both

unreal bone
#

fomo works for games like fortnut, and stuff where you don't have a big range of customization y'know? You pick a skin and that's it.

bitter turtle
#

but that's only cause (personally) im not very invested in that aspect

terse idol
#

Fomo is regretabbly working here too

#

Because nobody wants to wait

unreal bone
#

The more customization you have the more the fomo shop becomes stupid imo.

bitter turtle
#

i cant speak for others at least in regards to DT

lilac jungle
#

ehh, microtransactions were going to be in the game regardless, but the FOMO shop might be the investors

terse idol
#

Which hell I don't want to either

#

Well yeah

#

Vt2 evne had microtransactions but you could earn the currency

#

And there were only a few sets for like a flat amount

#

and even they were bundled

#

Ogrynns got it the worst for cosmetics tbh

#

Exclusive Ogrynn only backpack that only ogrynns can wear for full price

#

You'd think they'd cost less but nope

bitter turtle
#

thanks brunt, its shit

untold mulch
unreal bone
#

This looks kinda cool.

image.png
#

too bad this chest is probably never gonna come out.

terse idol
#

Well it will

unreal bone
terse idol
#

Months down the line

unreal bone
#

It's already been over a year.

terse idol
#

Which agaib

unreal bone
#

A YEAR

terse idol
#

Saddly this strategy is working

unreal bone
#

For something that has been sitting in the code this entire time and primed to be released.

bitter turtle
#

that happens a lot more than you think tbh

#

its been a year and a half and im still waiting for a datamined outfit to come out on pso2 KEKW_ogryn

terse idol
#

They'll keep sitting there

#

Remeber how long we waited for scion helmet

lucid hinge
terse idol
#

And JUST the helmet

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Like 3-4 shop rotations

lucid hinge
#

The backpack is still in the files

#

God

terse idol
#

We couldn't even get the chest armohr

#

Annnd it's ready

bitter turtle
#

you could argue

#

its to build up hype

terse idol
#

We got the pictures

#

Yeah

bitter turtle
#

peopel wont shut up about the scion outfit

terse idol
#

Yep

bitter turtle
#

it builds hype and makes others want to get it

terse idol
#

Its a strategy that's working, they're breaking up sets

bitter turtle
#

because lizard monge brain

lilac jungle
#

This is why the "For the drip" mod is so good. It just takes all the cosmetics from the files and lets you use them. Its only clientside, but thats fine for me

terse idol
#

Making small mismatches

lucid hinge
#

The scion gear is the only thing I've wanted just for it to be released piecemeal

#

Auhh

bitter turtle
#

the voice changer is the only kidna cool thing about it to me

unreal bone
#

Krieg plasma boy without the coat.

image.png
bitter turtle
#

that exposed neck is just too goofy

terse idol
#

And even then the scion helmet didn't get a neck gaiter because??????????

unreal bone
#

well Krieg plasma girl.

terse idol
#

I didn't even know it didn't have a neck covering till a little too late

#

I'm not bothered but

bitter turtle
#

tbh

#

the scion one was rather dirty

terse idol
#

Damn if it's a strategy to sell an armour with a neck covering I'm so fucked

bitter turtle
#

they release it with a set outfit that KINDA goes ok with the scion helmet

#

so they want you to buy that

#

with the scion helmet

#

and get another helmet you dont give a shit about

#

and then buy the actual armor later too

#

lul

terse idol
untold mulch
terse idol
#

Because they know we'll wait the next 2 weeks or the next 2 weeks after that

lucid hinge
#

It's gonna be a "special" set

bitter turtle
#

like that's such a nasty tactic lul

untold mulch
#

A lot of work guys please understand

#

The cosmetic team can legit go fuck themselves

bitter turtle
#

you wanted the scion set, and now you got baited into buy another shittier cope set to make the hat work

terse idol
#

Slowly I'm feeling that FS is or was being taken over by something that looks like FS but is just wearing its flayed skin

#

No yeah you're right

#

I mean the skin team

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And the fomo team

#

I'm sure are separate

#

And thats the pain

lilac jungle
terse idol
#

Because then I'd have to imagine the skin team needing to sit back while the cosmetics they craft get scraped and thrown haphazardly around to make the most money

sharp ember
#

it’s not gonna be the modelers that decide the cosmetic release pipeline that’s for sure

untold mulch
terse idol
#

I don't mind clipping, not crazy on it and recently noticed it on my Krieger zealot set but

#

Yeah maybe

#

It just seems like some things are also added last second

untold mulch
#

They are

terse idol
#

When I look a little closer at the armour

untold mulch
#

Something in their update pipeline is broken

#

There is an idiot or seveal of them

terse idol
#

Maybe it's outsourced

#

That would make the most sense

untold mulch
#

That doesnt waits for any confirmation before throwing changes to the code last minute

terse idol
#

At least the way cosmetics have been going it really feelss outsourced

untold mulch
#

Cosmetics wise I believe is anything but officially confirmed they outsource everything

muted knot
#

This looks pretty damn good right ?

#

Infested to flak

#

Don't know if maniac is worth it for unarmored

lilac jungle
#

Mobility isnt a dumpstat sadly, Of couse it will still work

bitter turtle
#

what do you actually dump then

muted knot
#

We take what we can brother

bitter turtle
#

i dont use it so id ont actually know

#

but every other stat affects dmg

muted knot
#

Shredder tbh

#

I don't really use the rev too much

bitter turtle
#

a chainsword that doesnt rev is just a sword

#

😔

lilac jungle
bitter turtle
#

tldr the grey parser's argument for me

#

i dont want to click on it

lilac jungle
#

Fair

muted knot
terse idol
#

wearyaf
Tanner has as much a point as you or I

untold mulch
bitter turtle
#

i call tanner the grey parser

#

bc he claimed he has 99 percentile logs "in any game just look it up"

#

and then i looked them up

#

and he's 7th percentile (grey color on xivlogs)

terse idol
#

damage is one if the most important stats because it literally affects all other damage on that gun

lilac jungle
#

The mk x11111 chainsword has a lower shredder value than the other

terse idol
#

Which makes sense

untold mulch
#

Lmao

terse idol
#

But damage is the last stat I would ever dump

untold mulch
bitter turtle
#

to be fair to him

terse idol
#

And the you have to consider many stats after a maximum or minimum won't change the feel at all

lilac jungle
#

I mean if damage doesnt affect a breakpoint then why have it maxed?

bitter turtle
#

i tried to look up his wow logs

#

but i didnt find any

terse idol
bitter turtle
#

of course enemies aren't perfectly always at full hp, so it might matter in practical cases, just lesser so ofc

#

also yes

#

you have to consider whether other circumstances like critting affeccts it

terse idol
#

A volatile stat that would change the most on any give gun based on nerfs, would be damage

bitter turtle
#

idk in practice its rare

lilac jungle
#

true, but if a 60% and a 80% still kill in the same ammount of hits then why bother with 80?

bitter turtle
#

in actual practice

#

my fucking rashad

#

is 80 damage

#

and 79 first target

#

and is misisng exactly 1 dmg

#

to bp

#

so ya

terse idol
#

Or SP

bitter turtle
#

also on melee weapons that dont have bm

terse idol
#

Some weapons are very sensitive to BP's

bitter turtle
#

any damage is nice since it spill sover with cleave dmg

junior needle
#

Mob health is also subject to change

untold mulch
junior needle
#

So having the best damage you can get gives you wiggle room for enemy changes

#

As well as gun changes

untold mulch
terse idol
#

Like God forbid anytime you build a gun, you go for a dump on damage and it gets nerfed

#

You're gonna feel the most impact from a damage nerf

lilac jungle
terse idol
bitter turtle
#

llol

untold mulch
#

Imagine hitting headshots

junior needle
#

Finesse adds damage, but weakspot/crit damage

lilac jungle
#

True, but i wasnt sure

untold mulch
#

Couldnt be me

terse idol
#

You don't want to dump finesse on finesse melee weapons

lilac jungle
#

oh no

#

especially because it affects it twice

junior needle
#

Which is not quite as good as regular damage by far, but finesse on melee also gives attack speed

terse idol
#

Yeah

bitter turtle
lilac jungle
#

on weakspot and crit

bitter turtle
#

the rashad in question

#

yes

#

1 point off

terse idol
#

Holy shit if you dump finesse and damage the weapons dead

bitter turtle
#

exactly

torn root
#

DID SOMETHING CHANGE ON SUSTAINED FIRE?

bitter turtle
#

penetration would do nothing since its on unarmo red

lilac jungle
untold mulch
junior needle
torn root
#

the blessing descrition mod says sustained fire works on 2nd 3rd and 4th bullet now

lilac jungle
torn root
#

yeah

bitter turtle
torn root
#

i tried shooting and the perk does light up after the 1st bullet

trim hemlock
terse idol
#

But yeah, I mean, tanner is one opinion in the sea of many, values come to a point where they Won't change feel (cough pgun charge rate)

bitter turtle
#

and yes

junior needle
#

Neat, it's still pretty bad though. Hadn't seen any documented changes for it

bitter turtle
#

i tested it with bm4

trim hemlock
#

Or at least since some unknown point in time KEKW_ogryn

bitter turtle
#

instead of bm3

torn root
terse idol
#

(Cough, pgun TR on values that don't affect number of shots)

trim hemlock
junior needle
#

Welcome to fatshark games

#

Tooltips are unreliable

#

Like how DS stacks to 5

torn root
lilac jungle
#

oh yes

trim hemlock
#

Fatshark is a Swedish company. I wouldn’t trust to their English localisation skills greatly

terse idol
#

Uh

bitter turtle
trim hemlock
#

There are many skills which do not have good English localisation still and are misleading

terse idol
#

I mean that doesn't mean alot

bitter turtle
#

S U F F E R I N G

terse idol
#

Darktide is just

#

Obtuse

#

For no reason

timid otter
terse idol
#

With random information hidden

#

That's not a localisation issue

timid otter
#

Might aswell quit the game

terse idol
#

Its just complexity

lilac jungle
#

so thats nice at least

bitter turtle
#

that is WITh bm4

#

i ahve the loadout mod

torn root
#

finally got a gun i like but it got a bit shafted in ammo

image.png
bitter turtle
#

thank fuck for it btw

lilac jungle
#

Ahh

bitter turtle
#

i tested it with bm4

#

and yes

#

raising first target to 80

#

in fact

#

covers the last 1 dmg

junior needle
terse idol
bitter turtle
terse idol
lilac jungle
#

So you need, Damage 80, First target 80, Finess 80, Penetration 80, BM4 and the 10% melee node to 1 shot those guys?

terse idol
#

Yeahhh

#

I got headtaker

#

And all the extra damage nodes in the tree

bitter turtle
junior needle
bitter turtle
#

that extra point would let me skip 10% melee

#

and thus save 2-3 points

terse idol
bitter turtle
#

on the tree

torn root
#

told you i was a degen

terse idol
#

The real radbad minxmax

bitter turtle
#

yeah

#

i just fucking gave up

#

and use this now insetad

#

lol

lilac jungle
junior needle
bitter turtle
#

just headtaker and dont get the 1shot without a headtaker stacks

junior needle
#

Must've been awhile

torn root
#

watchu mean that guy?

bitter turtle
junior needle
torn root
#

oh probably not with me

unreal bone
#

This sword is bricked isn't it?

image.png
torn root
#

i dont reccomend it to people, i just take it because gunning down crushers is funny with it

lilac jungle
bitter turtle
#

unarmored/flak

#

need unarmored for the oneshot on flak bruiser

lilac jungle
#

oof

torn root
junior needle
#

4/4 scuffer

unreal bone
#

Love getting fucked on weapons

terse idol
#

No Pc4, No BM, not the right damage types

#

Sadge

junior needle
#

no sunder either

lilac jungle
#

ngl I would just take the L on that breakpoint and not bother, might as well use the 3 talent points elsewhere

terse idol
bitter turtle
terse idol
#

The horde clear is terrible

bitter turtle
#

like i said, i just said fuck it and made one that hits the bp with headtaker

terse idol
#

Without the scab bruiser Bp

bitter turtle
#

it just needs 1 stack before i start swinging

#

still feels bad

trim hemlock
bitter turtle
#

tho

terse idol
#

Again the difference between, killing 1 scab bruiser.

#

And cleaving 4

#

That's why it's so important for vet

bitter turtle
#

ya

#

it eneds to be a 1shot so BM can let you cleave 4 every swing

terse idol
#

(You can get away with no unarmoured for zealot)

lilac jungle
terse idol
bitter turtle
#

rashad with the 1shot BP has great horde clear

terse idol
#

We build BM and unarmoured

#

Cause then it's butter

bitter turtle
#

better than psword since you dont need to charge it every 3 swings

torn root
terse idol
#

You'll always have the character ingame complimenting your kills because you kill SO fast

#

Makes the >gain extra toughness on melee kill

#

Really good

#

Cause you only need to swing once

#

And you gurantee multiple kills

bitter turtle
#

i dont have the points for out for blood 😔

#

its nice tho

torn root
#

lmao

terse idol
#

Azreals vid

lilac jungle
bitter turtle
#

not antax

terse idol
#

I don't know the antax

lilac jungle
#

0oop

bitter turtle
#

idk anything about antax

#

ye

lilac jungle
#

still

terse idol
#

I barely know the rasbad

#

Just know the minimim

lilac jungle
#

is there a way to shorcut to L3 with the Rashad?

bitter turtle
#

you dont need to

untold mulch
bitter turtle
#

even the diagonal side swings are jiust very effective when you hit the bp

torn root
#

i dont think melee weapons have shortcuts bro bro

bitter turtle
#

u literally just left click spam at horde and they die

late hatch
#

ive been using the mk4 and mk7 tac axes recently

bitter turtle
#

while aiming vaguely at their heads

terse idol
torn root
terse idol
#

Yeah

torn root
#

bash into bash attack cover light 1 and 2

terse idol
#

Like "technically" a shortcut

torn root
#

but its not a shortcut is what i meant

terse idol
#

Yeah you manipulate the combo

#

Yuuh

lilac jungle
terse idol
#

We're just getting into semantics

#

No biiggie

torn root
#

would assume a shortcut is ommiting parts of progression

terse idol
#

You kinda dl

#

You are skipping on like l2 or l1 to get to the right hit you want

#

If it wasn't skipping you'd have to always do l1, l2 to get to l3

torn root
#

is it less time

#

cause lets say on PS6

terse idol
#

Sometimes you can do H1 to L3

torn root
#

if i want l3

#

its the same time to bash into it

#

as just spamming the light

terse idol
#

Hmm

lilac jungle
#

In the end about the axe, it just seems odd to me to take the can opener axe and try to make it a horde clear axe.

torn root
#

same time, same amount of inputs

terse idol
#

No

lilac jungle
#

LIke you clearly can do it, but it seems like a lot of work

bitter turtle
torn root
#

wouldn't call it a shortcut, just a different path

terse idol
#

You still get

bitter turtle
#

like psword, it does basically everything, but stays more mobile on top of it

terse idol
#

A 3 shot BP on crushers

bitter turtle
#

albiet it takes a lot more investment whereas psword can just be dumped in any build

terse idol
#

You literally 3 tap crushers and instantly delete hordes too

#

If you build the rashad right

torn root
terse idol
#

Well its 3 Heavys

torn root
#

so like 2.5 ish seconds?

bitter turtle
#

its slower than the 2stab combo from psword which is something the sword still excels over rashad at

terse idol
#

You remeber how fast the overheads on rashad is right

torn root
#

maybe 3?

torn root
bitter turtle
#

ya

#

it is

#

i definitely find rashad more fast than psword in hordes though

torn root
#

yeah cause its not even a full 1 second to kill a crusher

terse idol
#

What I will note is, it's a misconception that radhad is being built for horde clear,
Its building to shore up the biggest weakness to still allow for very consistent crusher kill

lilac jungle
#

Rashad Mobility
Sprint Speed: [-0.45 - 0.45]
Dodge Distance: [0.95 - 1.05]
Dodge Limit: [3 - 5]

Power sword Mobility
Sprint Speed: [-0.45 - 0.45]
Dodge Distance: [0.8 - 0.9]
Dodge Limit: [3 - 4]

terse idol
#

Azraels vid

terse idol
bitter turtle
#

well

lilac jungle
bitter turtle
#

psword mobility weakness disappears if you wep specicalist with it anyway

terse idol
#

Psword had the worse mobility

terse idol
torn root
#

ngl

bitter turtle
#

so overall i'd say psword still the best melee tbh

#

but

lilac jungle
terse idol
#

This is the zealot vid so

terse idol
torn root
#

mobility vs ttk

#

preference

terse idol
#

Eh

bitter turtle
#

eh