#veteran-class

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junior needle
gusty bison
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Serrated is also next to agile

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Which is nice

trim steppe
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pretty sure thats a zealot thing

atomic zephyr
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that's a zealot thing

gusty bison
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Tbh

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I would consider taking precog

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For turbo stacks

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But its up to you

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Precog + mercy is very funni

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Extra finesse and extra weakspot famage go well

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Esp cos ur taking precision strikes and reciprocity

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And desperado

atomic zephyr
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wheres precog again?

gusty bison
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Its a blessing

atomic zephyr
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oh

trim steppe
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I'd be hard pressed to delete natural T4 uncanny tho. Might as well roll another knife at that point

gusty bison
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Precognition

atomic zephyr
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i see

gusty bison
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You dont have to do it

atomic zephyr
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yeah i dont feel like dropping plasteel on a knife, eventually maybe

gusty bison
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Knives good

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Esp on vet

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Cos we have so much stupid buffs

trim steppe
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Just rolled this one last night, looking for input. Run n Gun to Surgical, elites to carapace?

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atomic zephyr
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wondering if focus target would be good for a knife

crude ermine
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I'd say weapons specialist on that but I'd also say go for it

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For the funi

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And for science

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Like dropping cows out of an airplane

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For science

atomic zephyr
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i'd have to drop demo stockpile AND agile engagement to reach it

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dont think that's worth it

crude ermine
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FOR SCIENCE

junior needle
formal rock
atomic zephyr
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yeah i saw someone post a build with FT yesterday w/ a knife so i was curious

fast cargo
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Has anyone else noticed an increase in Rager spam on the game's part?

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This is the second time in two missions I've seen a 15+ spawn group of Ragers

trim steppe
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And if I run WS what blessing instead of surgical? Point Blank?

junior needle
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But of course it can vary for vet depending on what you take

trim steppe
junior needle
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Also I like having the ability to one shot on bodyshots too just in case

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So some overshoot on headshots is fine if it gets me that

trim steppe
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What ability do you usually run with it?

bitter turtle
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you can bodyshot kill a flak rager just barely if you have elite 10 and handcannon 4 i think

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needs very high rolls on the ovlver though

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if i switch it to HC 3 or Elite 8% im 20 dmgd short

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might make it easier if you can squeeze in rending+10% from the tree

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which i do not

hollow ibex
rigid pilot
bitter turtle
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its not even close without a crit so its not worth talking about

bitter turtle
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very useful

trim steppe
bitter turtle
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tbh the elite dmg doesnt seem to be very useful

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doesn tseem to meaningfully change anything

hollow ibex
bitter turtle
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that flak doesnt already do

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maniac rager is too far

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to bodyshot kill

terse idol
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Oooh yeah time to turn it back

bitter turtle
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without outright maniac +25%

terse idol
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Kindergarten

trim steppe
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Does elite change crusher damage meaningfully or no?

terse idol
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🥹

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Pre-kinder even

rigid pilot
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Maniac might be useful for flamer headshot not crit

trim steppe
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I can see arguments for all 3 abilities, is there a clear winner for pairing with zarona volver?

bitter turtle
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but

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it still comes down to flak or maniac

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i jus tmeant elite dmg isnt very useful

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it doesnt cchange any bps

rigid pilot
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Yea maniac might be better

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Flak only gives rager, for mauler you already run carapace

trim steppe
bitter turtle
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as long as you get 10% rending

rigid pilot
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Maybe with agile engagement you can get one shot crusher? KEKW_ogryn

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+carapace +elite

atomic zephyr
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worth rolling?

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rigid pilot
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Ofc

bitter turtle
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you can reach the 2shot bp for crushers just barely as well with elite +10

rigid pilot
bitter turtle
atomic zephyr
bitter turtle
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im including 15% elite damage in everything

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from the tree

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but this is just BARELY btw

atomic zephyr
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poor revolver got cooked

bitter turtle
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you need extremely high stats on the volver

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its better just to use carapace imo

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elite doesnt do anything else

atomic zephyr
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yeah i already have a hc/surgical revolver but both are t3

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very meh

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its locked cause i was desperate lol

bitter turtle
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like if ur literally not using 80/80/80 stats on the offensive stats then the 10% elite dmg wont put you over

crude ermine
light ore
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it turns the zarona into an infinite ammo gun with infinite crits

bitter turtle
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so weapon specialist

trim steppe
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thats the keystone, im talking ability. But good to know about WS

light ore
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plus you can take agile engagement, which helps a lot with revolver breakpoints

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with agile engagement up and iirc maniac perk you crit 1 shot bodyshot a rager

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voc is just the regular winner amongst the three

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but exe stance in particular is more useless than usual with revolver

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ability isn't a very big consideration on revolver

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you take voc because it's better and less point intensive

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and weapon specialist builds are somewhat tight on points

trim steppe
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ok nice, I would rather take voc than exec anyway.

light ore
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i would consider this build as a baseline

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kraks vs shredders is personal preference

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you can reasonably put the Invigorated WS subnode into something else

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i have no idea whether Get Back in the Fight or Catch a Breath is better

trim steppe
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Why toughness over Exploit Weakness?

light ore
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it's just not very good

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20% brittleness isn't very much, and on most weapons, if you've critted something twice, it's probably almost already dead

trim steppe
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fair, and i guess the ones that wouldn't (crushers) you shoot anyway

light ore
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on most weapons i've tested, exploit weakness does not actually improve ttk on crushers

trim steppe
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good to know

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Doesn't Deadshot affect revovler?

light ore
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it does, and losing deadshot is painful

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it's reasonable to take it over invigorate, although that will hurt your stamina game a lot

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i think that the stamina is more important on weapon specialist, because if you're playing in the thick of melee, stamina is important

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and you'll be getting crits on demand anyways

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but if i had an extra point it would go into deadshot

trim steppe
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Thanks for all the input, I like the bones of your build. I kinda wanna try Out For Blood instead of CK to see if it would work out ok, but I wonder if losing CK gets you too exposed when doing quick ranged kills in the thick of things

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Hopefully shout would cover it in really tight spots

light ore
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i don't think out for blood is bad, confirmed kill is just kinda nutty, especially how it interacts with overtoughness

vale ledge
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What do I toss off the gun-

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Ignore the painful ammo reserve-

terse idol
light ore
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i think the scariest thing on this build is just random clumps of normal shooters

hollow ibex
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useable until you get a better one if you swap out maniac and stripped down

terse idol
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Since you'll be killing most hordes in one swing

light ore
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if they catch you while shout is down

terse idol
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I'm running a rashad with weapon spec and Infil

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Never run out of toughness

atomic zephyr
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i really need to play stealth vet more
picked it up with my knife and it feels like im fuckin flying

light ore
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and you can't close the gap quickly

vale ledge
terse idol
vale ledge
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Apply a shit load of bleed effects on the knife and your shredding crushers like they're nothing lol

hollow ibex
light ore
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sir this is a revolver conversation

atomic zephyr
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oh i use revolver with the build too its ok

vale ledge
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Luv me knife

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atomic zephyr
terse idol
tall torrent
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Kinda wanna revisit Mk4 chainsword

terse idol
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See this is why you run infil with revolver 😌

tall torrent
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Also tested Skullcrusher on DC sword today

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It’s a surprisingly valid pick for DC7

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Not sure abt DC4 or DC1 tho

trim steppe
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for your rashad

tall torrent
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You have to meet both bruiser 1HS light atk breakpoints

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If you can actually meet that without any melee talent investment beyond precision strikes on left tree

thorn lark
tall torrent
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You can go for O4B for silly toughness regain

trim steppe
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hows Decapitator on rashad? Ok? Or just way worse than headtaker

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since it sounds like you lose the 1hit

light ore
tall torrent
thorn lark
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2 tap crusher

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mauler, i think it's between one and two

trim steppe
thorn lark
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but i don't mind because i am used to having worsish bp on the zealot/psyker

tall torrent
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Downside of playing veteran is that the other classes immediately feel worse from not having as good dmg breakpoints

thorn lark
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(i don'run marksman with exec, just shout)

tall torrent
thorn lark
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it depends, i can oneshot 4 crushers/ragers/maulers with my ogryn's shovel

slow spade
thorn lark
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true

slow spade
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Better stack more damage UwU

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Perhaps one day shovels will deal 65k damage per light attack...

thorn lark
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lmao

trim steppe
neat sluice
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whats the best blessings on a knife for vet? I want the best horde clear I can get with it

trim steppe
tall torrent
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And build reciprocity + desperado for max melee crit chance

neat sluice
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i was thinking precog and lacerate?

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is that smart or dumb

light ore
tall torrent
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Precog is more single target focused against maulers & crushers

trim steppe
neat sluice
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Is the mark III or IV better?

light ore
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mark 3 has slightly better single target, due to the optimal dps rotation not requiring stamina

thorn lark
light ore
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mark 6 has slightly better horde clear, but the single target dps rotation requires stamina

thorn lark
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ripost + flesh tearer + reciprocity + onslaught

light ore
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they are both very good

thorn lark
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or uncanny + flesh tearer + recipro

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if you want to go bleed

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precog + uncanny is viable too

terse idol
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The grind for a rashad can be a little painful

slender turtle
# slow spade Can't one shot bosses

psykanium warriors explaining how in 1/10th of a second after doing a long winded string of actions can get you enough damage to one shot a boss

terse idol
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min 70 in all damage, and you do need Unarmoured

neat sluice
terse idol
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BM

trim steppe
thorn lark
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goes well with recriprocity

terse idol
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In the meeaantime

trim steppe
thorn lark
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and uncanny or onslaught will power your bleed

terse idol
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Noo I mean

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You kinda need both...

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I would test it

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But you need the Scab Bruiser

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BP

neat sluice
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and flesh tearer does what?

terse idol
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It's the same problem

trim steppe
terse idol
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If you don't have unarmoured

thorn lark
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flesh is 8 stacks of bleed on a crit

terse idol
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You can't cleave scab bruisers

light ore
thorn lark
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max stacks is 16

neat sluice
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gotcha

thorn lark
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so... 2 crits

neat sluice
terse idol
thorn lark
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so you either go recipro + riposte + flesh tearer + onslaught

light ore
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the value of bleed is contentious

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i think it's good, but mileage will vary

thorn lark
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or recipro + uncanny + flesh tearer

serene bough
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ruthless backstab

thorn lark
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well, it must not be your main source of dmg

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too situational

serene bough
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i do ruthless backstab + flesh tearer

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y

thorn lark
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but it goes well with shredder nades

finite imp
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OH BOY ITS KNIFE TALK

light ore
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oh boy

neat sluice
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im trying to learn knife vet

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ive been mark 6 p sword plasma vet for too long

thorn lark
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you take bleed as an added source for monstro and softening the rest

neat sluice
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i need to do something different

finite imp
neat sluice
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I want to do a knife columnus build

thorn lark
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and your crit zealot + ogryn will like it a lot

neat sluice
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and just zoom around

finite imp
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GET YOUR BAG OF COCAINE OUT

neat sluice
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chudvet say the line

finite imp
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If you post that again I'm cold blocking you for 24 hours

light ore
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easiest block of my life btw

finite imp
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Run +9 stamina

neat sluice
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what blessings on my columnus?

finite imp
neat sluice
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thats what im running atm

finite imp
junior needle
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I’d say ds over ff because power

light ore
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columnus likes getting to 13% crit chance

neat sluice
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whats the dump stat on the columnus

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mobilitiy?

junior needle
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Also fatshark is liable to make it actually close range damage

finite imp
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Mobility

light ore
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stability whatthefuck_heresy

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that was a lie btw

neat sluice
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i like the columnus but the range of the plasma has treated me too well

junior needle
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(DS also stacks to 5 just like ff)

neat sluice
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i feel like im doing worse with it than i am the plasma

light ore
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i would recommend for perks crit + maniac

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that is probably the case

finite imp
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Did you lose an internet debate recently

light ore
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plasma is the strongest gun in the game

junior needle
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Crit chance is an odd choice

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Mind you it isn’t bad but probably less value than flak

finite imp
light ore
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but my suspicion would be that the damage output is similar

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due to crit strings

neat sluice
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its a crutch

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i need to be better

finite imp
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Step one get a knife
Dump stat mobility with uncanny strike at a minimum

neat sluice
light ore
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well if it's any consolation revolver and columnus are just S tier rather than S+

finite imp
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Step 2 run +9 stamina because we geek hard

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And I like to block nukes

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Step 3 make yourself a WS build or a MF build

neat sluice
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whats your tree look like?

thorn lark
neat sluice
light ore
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it's not 3%?

thorn lark
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i remember psyker being higher

finite imp
neat sluice
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thats fine

junior needle
# light ore i would be interested in a numerical comparison

Overall performance comparison would be impossible due to game to game variance and target acquisition differences, assuming you could record it somehow (you can’t).

You will randomly get more value on non flak targets at the price of less value against flak targets.

light ore
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psyker is 7.5%

finite imp
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Is there like a thing I can just make for him real quick

neat sluice
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whats ws and mf

finite imp
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I'm in bed

thorn lark
light ore
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WHO'S BEING STEALING MY 2% CRIT CHANCE

finite imp
neat sluice
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i already got a nice enough ws build

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its alright

light ore
neat sluice
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doing voc mf

light ore
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the crit chance vs flak damage comparison

finite imp
neat sluice
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reprocity and all that jazz down to mf

finite imp
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If youve spent any amount of time in here your tree is probably fine

thorn lark
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base crit is 5

junior needle
finite imp
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Listen carefully

light ore
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i agree with you that overall performance comparisons are like, unanswerably complex

finite imp
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Cocaine

light ore
neat sluice
finite imp
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If you don't have home made cocaine store bought is fine

junior needle
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You could assume one crit string for the crit testing (a bit big of an assumption) and do no crits for a flak comparison.

neat sluice
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understood, the emperor provides

light ore
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well it would have to be aggregated over hundreds of samples

finite imp
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As a knife vet you basically never stop moving

light ore
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i said i would be interested, not that you should do it lol

finite imp
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If I'm not sprinting I'm dodging to keep myself moving during reloads

junior needle
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I ain’t doing that shit, I had enough with the recons

finite imp
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Or I'm sliding to dodge bullets

light ore
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dance for my amusement

junior needle
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Where are you getting 13% crit from?

finite imp
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Learn to slide with the minimum distance possible

light ore
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vet base chance, +5 crit perk, +5 crit node

finite imp
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Learn you knife combos too they're pretty braindead

light ore
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unless vet base is 5%, in which case 15%

neat sluice
finite imp
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With the OG knife the stabs are just your heavies

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Stabs and swings

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The difference is important

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Because stabs ignore alot of armor

junior needle
finite imp
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Knives having amazing armor pen

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With the NEW knife tho

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The easiest way to get a stab off quickly is block striking

light ore
finite imp
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Which is kinda dope

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It hard counters maniaca

light ore
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Push attack and Special + attack are very important on both knives

late hatch
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<@&735928989146939404> please do something about the spammer

junior needle
light ore
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but on MK 3 you can infinitly spam Special + attack to get a stab

finite imp
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The knife is a beautiful and underappreciated weapon

light ore
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while on MK 6 you can only do it once before having to reset

light ore
turbid wave
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wow he just instantly left

tired ember
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Knock it off

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oh lmao

light ore
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"show stats" or something

last pewter
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good for him leaving

finite imp
tired ember
finite imp
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Yes

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Obviously trying to evade

turbid wave
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Yeah i went through his logs all he does is spam lmao

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ill take care of it

last pewter
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yeah fuck 'em

finite imp
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Tybg

serene bough
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Why are the mods here

junior needle
tired ember
serene bough
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I wanted to partake in delinquent activity and now I cant

last pewter
finite imp
light ore
last pewter
junior needle
finite imp
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I reported that guy several times I guess just pinging you guys was the way to go

light ore
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iirc some buffs don't apply unless you're in the psykanarium

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and some that are conditional don't apply at all

serene bough
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I dont think that mod is sanctioned

finite imp
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SIR AM I BEING DETAINED FOR WHAT CRIME

lucid hinge
light ore
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like, because desperado is "melee attacks", it doesn't show up

last pewter
last pewter
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aww I don't have a clueless emote

finite imp
last pewter
lucid hinge
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so over

trim steppe
finite imp
last pewter
finite imp
thorn lark
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it's locked on the base values

light ore
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are you in the psyk?

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or just looking at it in the morningstar

finite imp
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For anyone in vet chat that thinks I'm funny please do not do cocaine it is a highly addictive and potentially deadly substance.

light ore
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you're a bad influence knife man

finite imp
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I know it

junior needle
late hatch
finite imp
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All I want people to do is run full speed with sharp objects under the influence of barbituates and schedule one substances

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Is that too much to ask

light ore
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negamom

timid otter
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Am i correct in viewing shotguns as some of the worst weapons in the game?

finite imp
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I will not elaborate

light ore
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shotguns feel terrible unless you learn their wierdness and build them right

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then they become great

junior needle
finite imp
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The slug shotgun is literally a sniper rifle

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Without the scope

late hatch
junior needle
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Recons and the autopistol are in the running for the worst.

light ore
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agri is a revolveri don't feel guilty for using

finite imp
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Anything compared to the stopping power of superheated plasma is going to suck

light ore
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slug cracks open bulwark shields too

finite imp
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So it's kind of unfair

junior needle
light ore
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don't

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plasma is not a gun that exists guys i don't know what you're talking about

junior needle
light ore
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when the cocaine was actually copium

timid otter
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Angripna shotgun is just a worse revolver no?

junior needle
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Basically

finite imp
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You mean the NyQuil gun

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Cuz when I use it it puts me to sleep

timid otter
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"angry peanut shotgun" sorry

light ore
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revolver doesn't make the funny sound slugs do

hollow ibex
finite imp
hollow ibex
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if you use the primary fire too, it's pretty good

junior needle
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The agri shotty can do a better job of dealing with shooters (I assume it can one shot regular shooters) but revolver is much better for dangerous target deletion

finite imp
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With a revolver

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The moment you hit q to pull it out

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It's ready to fire

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This sound good right? But if you really think about jt

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That means you can incorporate the gun into your melee

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By quickly going Q m1 Q

hollow ibex
late hatch
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the worst thing about the shotty is that it has a long special anim and isnt as reliable unless you special

finite imp
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You just blew a hole in whatever you're meleeing

hollow ibex
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i can reliably kill gunners with a single headshot using the primary on agri

tall torrent
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I wish the special could load more than 1 round

hollow ibex
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from typical engagement ranges

timid otter
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It does seem like alot of work into a weapon that isnt reliable

finite imp
tall torrent
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Maybe give it a blessing that loads 2 special shells when u press special

finite imp
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Give me a tube of express slugs

hollow ibex
finite imp
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Please

light ore
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the lot of work makes it reliable

junior needle
finite imp
junior needle
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Shameful

pulsar drift
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Is it me or just we’re having less people these days?

hollow ibex
light ore
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"your gun doesn't aim for you?"

finite imp
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WE DO WORK IN HERE

junior needle
finite imp
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TO MAKE THE GUNS GUN

light ore
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"what are you stupid"

finite imp
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Are you insane

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Stop attacking immediately

hollow ibex
late hatch
finite imp
junior needle
finite imp
timid otter
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I know from experience atleast with shotguns that focusing on cleave, horde damage with shotguns was awful

finite imp
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You know when you go to golden corral and all the Mac and cheese is gone because some guy loaded up a plate of it and started praying over it so you awkwardly putt around the malfunctioned chocolate fountain sipping Lipton sweet tea until the staff brings out another vat of it?

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That's why there's less people

late hatch
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the lawbringer just got buffed i think. heard its better. kant is good for bringing the flames without limiting yourself to super short range

timid otter
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It carves like a line that can only hit 1 to 2 enemys.

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Not possible to kill entire hordes with it.

finite imp
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All the Mac and cheese is gone

trim steppe
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kantrael special does a decent job on hordes

hollow ibex
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i still haven't tried lawbringer

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the special seems awful still

light ore
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it's simple man, all you gotta do is start a new zealot from scratch and level them up to 12 to get a specific rank 2 blessing then figure out a way to constantly crit and maybe do something funny with flechettes (no not those flechettes) or iunno

finite imp
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Or you could just play a different game

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Like darkest dungeon

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Or something

light ore
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a yes, the "300 hours and i haven't beaten it and never will" game

finite imp
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This seems like a fair figh5

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Lmao

junior needle
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I've been playing palworld, pretty good

trim steppe
finite imp
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Call an ambulance...but not for me

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light ore
timid otter
trim steppe
timid otter
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That doesn´t exist

tall torrent
hollow ibex
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yeah makes sense

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i tested on a gray lawbringer with good stats

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wasnt impressed and decided not to waste plasteel on it lol

finite imp
light ore
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power cycler is my favorite one punch man hero

finite imp
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It was tragic. Power cycler 4 was the catalyst to my tenebris transformation

light ore
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when the journey was more important than the destination

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"you know, i actually hate this weapon"

tall torrent
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I kinda wanna get my hands on a good mk4 chainsword

finite imp
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Power cycler 4 is a cold vet huddled in the dark. Scared and alone. When out of the shadows glimmers something hopeful. Shiny.
Sharp.

tall torrent
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Played DC7 for a few days

finite imp
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Did you like parrying the world

tall torrent
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It’s really good at holding defense but the actual dmg is kind of pathetic

finite imp
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Ues

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Yes

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I wish they'd buff it

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Or give it better pen

tall torrent
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I think it’s in a fine place

finite imp
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You just said the damage was pathetic

tall torrent
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I personally prefer DC7 over DC4 cuz higher finesse modifier + better single target moveset

tall torrent
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Parry has very high dmg

light ore
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does it really though

tall torrent
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It’s just that if I’m not getting hit by stuff then my dmg is cut by like 50%

finite imp
#

I feel like the parry shouldnt be the only good thing about the sword

tall torrent
#

Also

finite imp
#

It's a sword

tall torrent
#

Skullcrusher is very valid on DC7

#

Prob not for DC4 or DC1

light ore
#

i should try that

tall torrent
#

But for DC7 Skullcrusher gives u a lot more dmg for single target

#

Specifically against ragers

#

Without parry

light ore
#

ragers just cease to exist vs claw anyways

tall torrent
#

Because u can stagger on light

light ore
#

i'm hunting for that sweet sweet carapace damage

tall torrent
#

It gives u smth else to deal dmg besides parry

tall torrent
#

Like, no matter what u do it just won’t compete with actual carapace killers

#

Chainaxe / folded shovel / combat axe / power sword

light ore
#

oh, i wasn't recommending a +carapace perk

#

i was bemoaning

#

see, if you gave knife parry i wouldn't play anything else in the entire game

tall torrent
#

I’m prob gonna give mk4 chainsword another go cuz it seems to fit what I wish DC7 had

#

More direct single target dmg & still good horde clear

tall torrent
light ore
#

i'm gonna mod a bull cleaver on my combat blade

#

we'll see who nice knoifes then

thorn lark
tall torrent
thorn lark
#

yeah

tall torrent
#

It’s ok

thorn lark
#

oh btw, where did you see that it had a better finesse modifier?

tall torrent
#

If u put a bunch of talent points to juice up the melee dmg then sure it’s better but I’m using swords primarily to save points lol

tall torrent
#

From gameslantern

#

This is for their heavy atks

thorn lark
#

just saw it thanks

thorn lark
tall torrent
#

At least from my perspective if I needed to put a bunch of points into melee I might as well go for a Rashad

paper brook
#

Zarona or Agrippina for the Revolver?

thorn lark
#

zarona

#

but depends

paper brook
#

Also what blessings are best for the Revolver?

thorn lark
#

depends

tall torrent
#

Hand cannon + surgical

thorn lark
#

zarona?

tall torrent
#

For Zarona

thorn lark
tall torrent
#

I’m considering Mk4 chainsword rn for better light atk dmg, similar horde clear moveset to Mk7, good single target moveset and I think I can 1 rev heavy a mauler

tall torrent
thorn lark
tall torrent
#

Which means if I have bloodletter and +flak on my chainsword I can prob rev heavy 1 shot maulers

thorn lark
#

and og chaxe with ht and slaughterer is probably a good bet too

tall torrent
#

So ideal set-up would prob be +flak, rampage & bloodletter

tall torrent
#

So I’d prefer a more agile melee

thorn lark
#

i assume you're not using ws

tall torrent
#

Yea, focus target with plasma is just very strong

#

Can’t rly say no to +dmg

thorn lark
#

chaxe and psword are pain without it

#

the chainsword is my most reliable weapon when i don't go right, it's good at everything

serene bough
#

oh come on

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terse idol
#

the funny

tall torrent
terse idol
#

5%

tall torrent
#

Wonder how long it’ll take me to find a 370+ mk4 chainsword with +flak, rampage IV and bloodletter IV

crude fiber
#

fire team has a use pogryn

serene sage
serene bough
#

switches to fireteam

image.png
#

new meta established

crude fiber
serene bough
#

just neutral, but its also not the greatest knoife

crude fiber
#

awww +25% maniac would have got you the 1 shot lol

serene bough
#

finding out im 30 out of 4000hp away from a 1hko is the true treasure, honestly

finite imp
#

Anyhow if you're going to be a knifemaxxer the last thing you do is be a nerd.

#

You inhale snow like jack frost and you kill fast

crude fiber
serene bough
#

sure

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idk if i have lvl 2

serene bough
crude fiber
#

actaully nevermind, not sure why im assuming 4% boost wouldnt give you the 1 shot

finite imp
#

I prefer new knife lately

#

But I go through phases

serene bough
#

which one has more crackhead energy

finite imp
#

What are you implying

#

That I'm some sort of crack expert

#

It's the og knife

#

Your lights are slashes

#

Your heavys are all devastating stabs

serene bough
#

if im going to be using the knife i want to look like a dangerous individual

finite imp
#

But

crude fiber
finite imp
#

This is you when og knife

crude fiber
#

just sprinting towards someone holding the knife over your head

finite imp
#

Yeah you might as well have drool coming out of your mouth

#

Wear the rattiest clothes your vet has

#

Move into section 8 housing

crude fiber
#

bring back the shirtless optioins

finite imp
#

If only

#

Such a silly thing to take

serene bough
#

look what the servitor has

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finite imp
#

Sweet mother of merct

crude fiber
#

pretty good start, could go uncanny for single target or bleed blessing for better hoard clear

finite imp
#

Mercy

#

Just use serrated

#

Put uncanny on it

#

Add flak damage

#

Actually

#

Make that maniac

#

And you're good to go

#

It's a mk 6

#

So

tall torrent
serene bough
finite imp
#

Go have a fuckin blast

serene bough
#

im gonna cut em up good

finite imp
#

If your dodge doesn't come out quick enough block. When you hear the blade connect charge a heavy. Aim for the head

tall torrent
finite imp
#

You are way faster than a maniac

finite imp
#

It takes devotion

tall torrent
finite imp
#

It takes two feet

crude fiber
finite imp
#

Two hands

#

And 1 kilo

#

You can also side dodge behind them

#

And get a quick back stab

#

Now if it's a shame of maniacs that's different

#

Swarm

#

If a swarm is approaching me I go through some mental checks

#

1 do I have a frag

tall torrent
#

Against a horde of ragers do you just hold defense and spam dodge backwards hoping someone backs u up

finite imp
#

If so I immediately toss a nade at the ground

tall torrent
#

Cuz ik knife is fine vs carapace

#

But against ragers not having the ability to stagger them feels bad

finite imp
#

During their fall over anims I finish as many as I can

#

Once enough of them recuperate if there's likst

#

Like

tall torrent
#

Right

finite imp
#

More than 2 or 3 left

#

I Voc

tall torrent
#

Mass rager just nade spam as per usual

finite imp
#

Finish them

#

You abuse that stun to high hell

#

Before they can even do anything to you

light ore
#

knife push attack followed quick by special staggers ragers

finite imp
#

The punch is underrated

tall torrent
finite imp
#

It has high stagger

#

Yes

light ore
#

yes

#

it's not reliable at all

#

like, it works every time

#

but the special has short range

tall torrent
light ore
#

and ragers push you back

finite imp
#

I'm giving you the works every time strat

light ore
#

yeah, that's why you have to combine it

#

with pa to reach stagger threshhold

finite imp
#

Also I generally will abuse the map and such to stagger ragers

#

Oh fuck wait I forgot

#

I run revovler

light ore
#

fighting 1 rager with knife is very safe, cause you can dodge away and just poke them with pa between strings

tall torrent
light ore
#

fighting 2+ ragers is just run away and gun them down

finite imp
#

Mid fight I can just q m1 Q and pop a hole in them too

light ore
#

same as it is with most weapons

finite imp
#

If you're wanting to exclusively use a melee weapon then uh

light ore
#

or more commonly, wait for teamate to take aggro then murder them

finite imp
#

???

#

Lol

light ore
#

wait for rager reworks : )

finite imp
#

Ogryns love to do this

tall torrent
#

Going for mk4 chainsword next

finite imp
tall torrent
light ore
#

can't wait for tac axe buffs so i can tell people about the rager stagger combo

tall torrent
#

I never called knife objectively bad

finite imp
#

YOU SAID KNIFE IS MID AND I HATE YOU SUNRISE

#

And you said you're gonna give me a swirlie

tall torrent
finite imp
#

While all your friends point at me and go nya nya knife maxxer knife maxxer

#

And then when I get home my mom will be like how was knife school

#

And I'll say I don't wanna talk about it

#

Then she'll hear muffled Linkin Park coming from my room

light ore
#

actually deranged

finite imp
#

You could say I'm a liiiiittle unhinged

light ore
#

i'm basically the joker

finite imp
#

Have you ever seen a movie called jokerrrr

#

What if batman caught the joker and was like

#

Why do you dress up as a clown

#

And he was like well it's the name I'm the joker

#

And batman was like you can make jokes and not be a clown

#

So why do you call yourself the joker I don't understand. You don't even make jokes you just stab people and do crime.

#

You should call yourself like the laughing man

#

Or evil clown

#

Joker doesn't make sense you don't even look like the playing card

#

And the whole time joker is just staring at him through black eyes like wtf

#

My mind keeps yappin

#

And I need to be sleepin

light ore
#

glad i was here to witness this

#

well, maybe glad isn't the word

finite imp
#

You didn't answer my question wouldn't that be funny

hollow ibex
#

tried out the las recon viia

#

jesus the dps is bad

#

cleave doesn't make up for it since it only cleaves through basic trash still

finite imp
hollow ibex
#

wdym lol

finite imp
#

Its just such old info

hollow ibex
#

oh lol yeah

#

i mean i knew they were bad

#

wanted to try it anyway

finite imp
#

Feels like I've heard it a million times they really need to fix them

hollow ibex
#

time to go try the mkvi and mkii

#

the fact that mkvii gets effectively half the ammo capacity of other recon las

#

for its "cleave"

#

is such a fuckin meme KEKW_ogryn

sharp ember
#

i mean the damage goes up too

#

but oh boy if you thought the mk7 dps was bad

#

wait until you put your hands on mk2

hollow ibex
#

i thought mk2 was supposed to have better dps

sharp ember
#

it’s mk6 because of sheer fire rate

finite imp
#

You want good dps wait until I get my hands

#

On you

hollow ibex
#

i know mkvi has the best dps of the recon lasguns

finite imp
#

And it don't stop coming and they don't stop comin

sharp ember
#

probably depends on enemy armor

junior needle
hollow ibex
#

oof

junior needle
#

6d has the most by a large margin

#

7a is middle of the pack

#

None of them are what you’d call “good”

hollow ibex
#

that's pretty pathetic KEKW_ogryn

junior needle
#

Extremely, and their ammo counts aren’t much higher than iag’s despite having like half the damage or less per ammo used

hollow ibex
#

yeah was def running into ammo issues that i wouldn't have had using braced

#

despite using shock trooper

junior needle
#

Probably closer to a quarter if you take headshots into account

hollow ibex
#

infernus seems pretty weak too

#

running it on a good laspistol

near sable
#

used to be too strong

hollow ibex
#

got like 10k damage from it at the end of a 30 minute long game lol

junior needle
#

Yeah infernus is very mediocre even in best use cases, the slow firerate/higher damage of the 7a doesn't help it either

#

Most of the time it's just bad

hollow ibex
#

yeah i def wouldn't take it on the 7a

#

i put it on my VI but maybe i should've just gone for dum dum and deathspitter or whatever

junior needle
#

After that it was mid and has been getting indirectly chipped at with things like nerfs for flamers

#

Meanwhile pbb has a node that makes all your shots apply burn stacks and it caps at 31

junior needle
hollow ibex
#

kek i don't think i even have HH on recon

junior needle
#

Their blessing pool kinda blows and that's the best one there

#

the value you get out of dumdum isn't as good as IAG's just because the base performance of the guns is so low

hollow ibex
#

yeah seems like an all-around fun situation

junior needle
#

One of the very few weapons that hasn't been fixed to a decent standard since launch

#

Autopistol had its time in the sun even if it's bad now.

#

Tac axes also need to be looked at

low yacht
#

Melee is cool and all but keeping your enemy at distance is even better.

final stone
shadow aurora
final stone
sharp ember
#

1% instead of around 10%

#

it’s like having anti-trench fighter

#

trench fighter untraining

terse idol
#

no finesse more like

#

Man's got arthritis

upper lichen
#

for weapons specialist, the ranged specialist stacks, is it +33% crit chance on your next ten shots on max stack or is it +330% crit chance on your next shot lol

terse idol
#

It's a guranteed crit on your next attack so theoretically just the flat 100%, or 330 I thiiink

upper lichen
#

well what the hell thats lame lol

sharp ember
#

clearly they need to introduce double and triple crits on the same shot

upper lichen
#

absolutelyyyy

junior needle
#

They might actually be doing that given the absurd redundancy of how much crit ws can give

low yacht
#

Why no heavy flamer it has hotter and denser flamers? And we have eviscerator it is definitely different. And has better armor piercing then regular flamers.

junior needle
#

Fatshark too fat and lazy, cannot move fast.

#

That's why

sharp ember
#

seems literally everything they choose to do needs to be approved by james workshop as well

#

even blog posts

near sable
#

I hunger for scion drip

sharp ember
#

that certainly slows things down if they aren’t allowed to start until okayed

#

or have to do a back-and-forth on iterations that they’re working on

junior needle
#

I don't think buffing (or nerfing) weapons needs to be approved

#

and they drag their feet with that too

pearl granite
#

melk selling a higher damage psword, despite lower rating cuz 46% cleave. is it an upgrade? 😄

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junior needle
#

Single target damage won't change by much, it also doesn't have either of the meta blessings

pearl granite
#

what are those meta blessings beside cycler?

jolly hemlock
#

when you revived and rescue your team through the whole auric maelstrom and then fail in the end because they cant do the fucking objective because they suck

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woven tide
#

I'm amazed in more ways than one

upper lichen
jolly hemlock
#

idk seem like a staple people dont collect stuff....

upper lichen
#

just finished a maelstrom with some mfers that just b-lined for the exit in every stage of the map T_T

jolly hemlock
#

i wish my mates were that advanced

#

atleast we woulndt have failed

upper lichen
#

lol fair, glad we at least got the dub

final stone
#

DREWD A SKRIPSHA PIKSHA FER YA SAH

junior needle
placid portal
#

Rampage

#

jk

spring swallow
#

flak or carpace for plasma gun on twins?

placid portal
#

Twins got mixed armor types iirc?

spring swallow
#

a wiki says carpace and flak

#

flak would be more versitale probs

placid portal
#

rampage skill desc broken again?

#

Still see damage boost

trim hemlock
#

Or how sharp an increase?

placid portal
#

36% damage increase

trim hemlock
#

That’s normal, the weapon increases power now

placid portal
#

should be 36% power

#

but it says damage

trim hemlock
#

Well, is there no increase in cleave/etc?

placid portal
#

Can't tell

trim hemlock
placid portal
#

FFs FS

trim hemlock
#

We can’t have accurate descriptions on this side of Cicatrix Maledictum

placid portal
#

Boltgun mag buff would def screw over calvacade wouldn't it?

trim hemlock
#

Just warp karkery for us

trim hemlock
#

And in the current iteration of the blessing

placid portal
#

since buff applies every 10% mag, and that means 2 rounds per stack

#

Cavalcade Mag dumpa

bitter turtle
#

wtf

#

is anyone dcing from the carnival auric mael mission in the room where the vox disconnects and there's an ambush

trim hemlock
#

There is some commotion commencing whenever that room is entered on my end

bitter turtle
#

its not even an internet disconneect

trim hemlock
#

But never have I ever been disconnected, I think

bitter turtle
#

says "your mission has been aborted"

#

fugging shatfark

merry glade
#

high pierce shotgun when

trim hemlock
placid portal
#

Manstopper

merry glade
#

the bot just fell off the ledge

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placid portal
#

naturally of course

dire olive
sharp ember
#

manstopper scattershot my beloved uwugryn

#

for that killing floor shotgun feel

agile forge
#

Kantrael pierces super well with fire rounds too right?

#

Only started using it a couple of days ago

placid portal
#

ye

#

Dragonbreath got that mad pierce

#

iirc it used to pierce through terrain as well

merry glade
#

i thought i was missing something before realizing manstopper is lvl2 blessing lmao

#

(which i dont have 🙂 )

merry gale
#

good luck getting it

untold mulch
#

best chance of getting it

#

do a new character and farm when they are at level 10-15

merry glade
#

is that no cap frfr

simple kestrel
#

can anyone show a good melee build for veteran?

spice wadi
#

it is idd no cap realsies fr

merry glade
#

str8 up

spice wadi
#

vertically skyward

untold mulch
#

Lads

#

what the fuck are you guys even saying

merry glade
spice wadi
#

u could also be me and see it on a brunt weapon and then brunt refreshes his shop as I'm about to hit the buy button

merry glade
#

cor bussin fr

simple kestrel
untold mulch
#

best chance to get it

#

when you are at low level

#

because then the game won't give you III nor IV

merry glade
#

that's fine tbh. i like the low-level struggle -- almost wish for like, a prestige system so i can do it all again

dire olive
simple kestrel
#

i mean yeah

lilac eagle
#

The only thing you need for vet's melee build is a PS sword with power cycler

simple kestrel
#

zealot has a ton of defensive talents

rain hatch
#

Power sword mk 5 or 7 I forgor what it is

untold mulch
#

I will never understand making a melee vet KEKW_ogryn

simple kestrel
#

but dosent vet still have more dmg potential

rain hatch
#

Then run into melee side of weapon specialist

merry glade
#

melee vet can be fun -- big single target damage for days and stupid survivability

simple kestrel
lilac eagle
thick rose
#

what do I want on a dagger?

simple kestrel
#

i mean its got amazing crowd control

#

and dmg

#

its combos if done correctly

lilac eagle
#

In melee a zealot will outperform every time in terms of damage

rain hatch
#

PS is still so much better

simple kestrel
#

Catachan Mk VII "Devil’s Claw" Sword (DC7)

Perks:

  • flak (important)
  • elite (good)
  • maniac (good)
  • unyielding (good)
  • block efficiency (fine)
  • sprint efficiency (fine)
  • weakpoint dmg (fine)

Blessings:
Rampage (mandatory)
Savage Sweep (good)
Wrath (good)
Shred (good)
Skullcrusher (fine)

Stagger:
DC7 can mildly stagger all non-boss melee units with 1 light ATK except maulers & ogryns

Cleave:
DC7 cannot cleave through bosses, scab rager, scab mauler, mutant & ogryns

Basic moveset:
L1 diagonal sweep (vanguard) -> L2 / H2
L2 diagonal sweep (vanguard) -> L3 / H1
L3 overhead (strikedown) -> L1 / H1
H1 perfect horizontal sweep (relentless) -> L2 / H2
H2 overhead (strikedown) -> L3 / H1
Push ATK stab (strikedown) -> L3 / H1
Parry (combo reset) -> L1 / H1

Combos:
Single target
L1 (sweep) + H2 (dmg) + L3 (dmg) repeat
Push ATK (dmg) + L3 (dmg)
Push ATK (dmg) + L3 (dmg) + [L1 (sweep) + H2 (dmg) + L3 (dmg) repeat]
L1 (sweep) + H2 (dmg) + Push ATK (dmg) + L3 (dmg) + [L1 (sweep) + H2 (dmg) + L3 (dmg) repeat]
Parry (reset) + [L1 (stagger) + H2 (dmg) + L3 (dmg) repeat]

Horde clear
H1 (stagger) + L2 (sweep) repeat
L1 (sweep) + L2 (sweep) + [H1 (stagger) + L2 (sweep) repeat]
Push ATK (dmg) + [H1 (stagger) + L2 (sweep) repeat]
L1 (sweep) + L2 (sweep) + Push ATK (dmg) + [H1 (stagger) + L2 (sweep) repeat]
Parry (reset) + [H1 (stagger) + L2 (sweep) repeat]

Parry cancel on defense
Block (hold) + Parry (tap) + ATK (hold)

merry glade
#

@simple kestrel i can give you my melee build, though it uses axe + revolver and stealth -- though altering it shouldnt be a big deal.
i dont use devil claws so dont know exactly what you'd want, but i imagine its much the same

lilac eagle
#

The fact zealot can solo groups of ragers is the tell here

simple kestrel
merry glade
rain hatch
#

3 swings of incredibly high dmg and cleave

lilac eagle
#

I never do

merry glade
#

aight i'll dm. if you want, i'm down to theorycraft

lilac eagle
#

1 rush charge + the natural impact of zealot's weapons means you can stun lock multiple ragers before they can even swing

simple kestrel
lilac eagle
#

AND if they do manage to start comboing, you're actually tanky enough to survive it

simple kestrel
dire olive
#

Weak point is one of the worst perks in the game

simple kestrel
#

hmm

dire olive
#

The way it's added is not how it looks

#

Instead of 10% it's more like 5% on most things

simple kestrel
#

damn

dire olive
#

Less if you account for other buffs

#

Because it's based on the base damage

#

And added, not multiplied

#

Same goes for crit damage perk

agile forge
lilac eagle
#

Precisely my point

#

Meanwhile vet gets folded in half

placid portal
#

Vets whenever a problem occurs

untold mulch
#

Vibe check

#

Remember lads

Once the pin is out, Mr.Pinapple is no longer our friend

placid portal
#

Teammate down? -Grenade
Surrounded? -Grenade
Need to file taxes to the Admisnistrautum? -Grenade

#

If not possible simply ship them a pipebomb

placid portal
tiny summit
#

Yo audio is completely fucked on my laptop with headphone

placid portal
#

rip

tiny summit
placid portal
#

just gotta keep the cap on

tiny summit
#

Positional audio is actually better on its speakers but that's competing with the fans to keep it cool...

placid portal
#

never flip his cap off

untold mulch
#

Well...

sharp ember
#

note: do not handle krak grenades with metal gloves

placid portal
#

You could say that again to my Grenadier collegue during armageddon

#

he had to charge the Nob when he noticed

tiny summit
#

Burst fire headhunter kinda nice

fallen helm
#

How can I put more distance in between me and hordes? I believe that's my current problem, I don't tend to go down much on heresy but I want to move up to damnation and I'm taking a lot of damage, (200-300 on heresy) I went down a couple times my first damnation mission

zealous wyvern
#

get a stamina curio if you dont have one already
upgrade your gear to a proper melee weapon that actually deals dmg

fallen helm
#

I use mk III combat knife

#

atm

zealous wyvern
#

position yourself well with your team. otherwise a horde simply WILL catch up with you

#

and ofc you need to kite them

celest vine
zealous wyvern
#

dodging side to side will cause them to block each other while you move backwards to keep a bit of distance

fallen helm
#

I think I'm just backing myself into corners

zealous wyvern
#

are you playing solo or with team?

fallen helm
#

uuhuhuhuhuhuuh

#

bit of both

#

quickplay

zealous wyvern
#

when solo you need to actually move around the map with them

#

its crazy and i dont play solo

tiny summit