veteran-class

[raw steppe]

Its not comparable to the 3 meta kings

But its quite far from being bad like a recon

[dire palm]

Anything to change on this besides the dmg to poxwalkers? I want to keep rev it up

[civic knot]

Colomnus, Laspistol, Zarona revolver?

[raw steppe]

Plasma

[civic knot]

ah

[raw steppe]

Laspistol is not even close lmao

[civic knot]

ofc

🙂

[civic knot]

laspistol is dope

but yes

[wanton dawn]

Columnus, plasma, old revolver IG

Agri brauto is up here imo, but build is less flexible and less straightforward

[serene bough]

anyone know what this little skull icon next to someone's portrait means

[astral ingot]

in a party

[dire palm]

Host?

Oh

[serene bough]

ty

[dire palm]

That's good to know

I know they're not popular here but fellas, I think I've been sleeping on the smoke grenades. They make some missions an absolute cakewalk (looking at you, obscura den arena fight). Idk if I'd take them into auric but they're not as bad as I thought they were gonna be

[crude ermine]

The agriculture shotgun special is pretty fun

More fun than the kantreal fire pellets

[dire palm]

The agriculture shotgun: mowing down heretics like chaff beneath a sickle

Special bullet: Fertilizer

[flint onyx]

[crude ermine]

Fires a pellet filled with fertilizer 15km at the target

Cultivating said target

[dire palm]

Cultivating in a target? Approaching heresy

[static quest]

“Precision gardening on the way”

[dire palm]

"Pruning targets"

[dire olive]

Jeremy Clarkson approved

[untold mulch]

Gib underbarrel grenade launcher

[hard briar]

If there wasn't krak nades, I'd ask for a stand alone GL that fires Kraks.

[untold mulch]

[dusty sluice]

free tier iv from the emperor

[wicked zenith]

Sustained fire eww

[untold mulch]

Fixable at least

thouhg

no wait no, taht stopping power

nah

yeah get the IV and leave

[dusty sluice]

just grabbing the blessing lol

[untold mulch]

Yeah noticed you said that after

[dusty sluice]

still unsure what to do with this lol

[untold mulch]

I need fucking decimator

GIB HADRON YOU BIT

I am calm

[dusty sluice]

lmao

i need thrust iv

[untold mulch]

I already wasted a lot of of Plasteel searching for even T3 it

[hard briar]

Is the new shovels heavies not garbage?

[wicked zenith]

This is the best one I had after match, it originally had Level 1 surgical. Suprising to me with the Deadshot, Crit, and both Stam regen boost, it's like a mini Bolter. Deleted Elites and specials

[dusty sluice]

same for me but with thrust

[untold mulch]

I onyl use light, and heavy when in antiarmor mode

[hard briar]

So is that a yes or a no?

[untold mulch]

Normal heavies are pretty bad at least MK3

[wicked zenith]

The MK 7 works fine for Alt fire Heavy esp with Limbsplitter

[strange grove]

impressive, dude just held down LMB on his agribrauto and did tons of damage

[untold mulch]

One is right-left, the other is up-down

maybe you could time the first one?

h1-l2

[dusty sluice]

oh no

[untold mulch]

but...ehhhh

[untold mulch]

Hadron you bastard

[dusty sluice]

i mean... i use skullcrusher on my other standard issue

[strange grove]

its not bricked yet, keep going

[cyan anchor]

Hey idk the meta or what is good or bad so are these weapons worth buying sorry for interrupting

[untold mulch]

hmmmm

[dusty sluice]

so any suggestions?

[dusty sluice]

its fun

[wicked zenith]

Stub no, you want Pen and Crit bonues high, It's a special killer weapon and it's meh for snipers.

It's a fan only/braced gun.

[untold mulch]

Another 5 tries

another 5 not decimator

[wicked zenith]

It's fun, but honestly whatever you specifically want, farm up gold, and then buy around 500k (gold) of the same weapon you should get at least 1 380, and a 350+ with ideal stats.

[cyan anchor]

was this comment for me or someone else

[wicked zenith]

Yes @cyan anchor local it was to you.

[cyan anchor]

so what perks and blessing are needed

[wicked zenith]

Basically something like this the damage isn't best.

[dusty sluice]

crucian is better for agri, surgical is better for zarona

[cyan anchor]

thank you very much

[wicked zenith]

It's a crit magnet and crits hard, I can if both crit with Exe stance up 2 shot Crushers

[cyan anchor]

whats rending do?

[wicked zenith]

Basically hits armor better.

[raw steppe]

You should fix the blessings and perks

[wicked zenith]

@raw steppe The blessings are fine, the 10% ranged crit damage, could probably be rerolled, but I don't think it will change any bp. I don't see a reason to affix the second lock, I can easily bully armor with it in Auric Damnation. We already know they won't unlock stuff if they nerf it to hell.

[lyric dock]

Blessings are perfectly fine as they are.

[crude ermine]

Truth in these words

[lyric dock]

As the weapons stands now. It's perfectly fine as is

Best to save your 2nd modification as a "Just in case" Nerf bat knocks on the revolver's door again

[raw steppe]

Surgical is pretty useless on fanvolver

Even trickshooter is better lol

And crit damage could be flak or maniac

[dusty sluice]

ye

[wicked zenith]

Why, one shots both Flak and maniac?

What is that going to do?

[lyric dock]

Didn't even realize it was the other revolver

[raw steppe]

You hit a bp on shotgunners i brlieve

With flak

[wicked zenith]

It's already on them.

[raw steppe]

And a bp on trappers with maniac

[dusty sluice]

then cara/ elites would be helpful

[wicked zenith]

@dusty sluice It 2 shots crushers with headshots, (if they crit) and the only Elite that isn't oneshoted is Maulers with headshots.

[dusty sluice]

ah

[vapid thunder]

how do i get this

[dusty sluice]

what part?

[wicked zenith]

Surigcal is more about Ammo Conserving so you only need the first shot compared to the others.

[dusty sluice]

fair, i use it in more of a spammy way

[wicked zenith]

Need to correct myself, Mutie take 2-3, but honestly I just sidestep and grind with the chainsword.

I spam it on bosses with the red stim.

[vapid thunder]

helmet

[wicked zenith]

Paid cosmetic rotating shop

[vapid thunder]

[wicked zenith]

I think that specific one was one of the ones before x-box and it hasn't came back up

[dusty sluice]

just rotated out the premium shop on Thursday

[wicked zenith]

There has been 2-3 of those, I can't keep track of the slightly different verisions. (Cigarette pack on the side)

[dusty sluice]

its this one

the green camo

[wicked zenith]

It will come back up it's one of the more popular Wh helmets

[dusty sluice]

ye

[wicked zenith]

Pretty much all cosmetics besides a couple twitch drops (which has silly logos on them that break the 4th wall) are microtransactions.

You can with the base cosmetics however Play as Brendon Fraiser from the Mummy, with the Revolver, except the hair in this game is rather ass, and nothing close to hair style from the movie.

[tall torrent]

Are the twitch drops still obtainable or just permanently gone

[wicked zenith]

The ones I have was for some Games workshop event, and then there was some at launch and people had issues even trying to claim them. You had to watch darktide for X hours each week on twitch. Which I was like why? I want to play not watch others play.

[tall torrent]

Seems like twitch drops are still a thing?

[wicked zenith]

They haven't for Darktide that I know of, the launcher use to advertise them. Each week a skin for one specific gun anyhow. Then there was 3 or so for GW events, Which were just helmets with the event's logo. The blue one does go with the free cosmetic pc players got due to the 14k Aquillas controversy.

[frank ether]

I got the desert version of that but would be a lot happier with it if it had the googles on

[wicked zenith]

It will be back with them, although it may not be green. It might the weird Tiger cammo, or Blue Cammo, Firelands camo or something else.

[untold mulch]

Damn never thought of doing htaT

[serene bough]

i thought the only twitch drop was the winter scar camo

[wicked zenith]

I got no clue how many there were for Twitch, just know it was one weapon at a time.

[ancient raptor]

best mk for Helbore Lasgun and best blessings ?

[ancient raptor]

and dumpstat

[wicked zenith]

Whichever one you can get to one-shot crushers I think just finding a good stated one is more important for them

[untold mulch]

helbore dumpstat is stability

because it really doesn't matter

[wicked zenith]

Stablity or Ammo, either are meh they don't consume ammo really bad if you are a good shot.

[untold mulch]

both if you spicy

[umbral scaffold]

Wait share with me that 14k Aquila’s

[tiny summit]

Personal preferences.
MK1 - standard issue, balance between charge rate vs dmg and good bayonet
MK2 - faster charge, lower dmg (but still high dmg) and good bayonet.
MK3 - slowest charge, highest dmg, bad/wonky bayonet
All like surgical/onslaught. Mk2 can get away with not using onslaught with a good charge roll.
Dump stat is stability and then ammo.

[wicked zenith]

Onslaught, Surgical.

[umbral scaffold]

You mean like they had a cosmetic worth 14k in Aquiles aka microtransactions

[wicked zenith]

@umbral scaffold Xbox players got 14k buying the game, I don't know the details but Steam had downvote from hell on the game over it for a time.

[untold mulch]

No, xbox users were given 9300 aquilas to promote buying the game and not playing on Pass

only at launch

"launch on console" that it

[umbral scaffold]

Ah gotcha

[untold mulch]

14000ish for special edition

[ancient raptor]

what about perks

[untold mulch]

And we got some in general lousy cosmetics to shut up

[wicked zenith]

Who uses the bayonet, in 1k hours I never seen it used with any mark

[late hatch]

also they got to choose, we juut got a set that may or may not be aesthetically pleasing

[untold mulch]

Bayonet of I and II are pretty good

[untold mulch]

Yep

Only the ogryn set I really use

the rest, penancei s better for me

And I barely use Ogryn anyways

[tiny summit]

Depends on your dmg rolls. Flak is only relevant on flak ragers and maulers due to all of them handling flak helmeted riflemens and gunner well. Maniac is good. Unarmored may be needed on your roll if you're lacking 1 tap potential to an dreg gunner.

[late hatch]

i like the vet gasmask

[untold mulch]

I would like if it had a fucking helmet

[wicked zenith]

This is one of the other drop helms that was from some GW event.

[untold mulch]

and weren't in karking blue

why we can't recolor at will

[ancient raptor]

so you are basicallay saying that i need a god roll

[tiny summit]

Everyone who uses a mk1/2 use the bayonet. It stunlocks ragers and 1-3 taps nearly everything below mutant

[wicked zenith]

Mauler's Headshot is Carapace. With that hellbore you should be pull headshots honestly.

[gilded rock]

Why thunder hammer helmet given to veterans if they don't use it

[tiny summit]

You don't need a god roll. Your talents can make up for its dmg. I've had good mk2s that could 1 tap dreg ragers in the low 70s

[late hatch]

yeah basic colour slider would improve the cosmetics a lot. but then that would steal the easiest cosmetic recycling for fatshark which i dont think they will give up. seeing as how much they jumped the prices on recycled skins

[tiny summit]

But the most important stat to max really is dmg

And then stopping power

[untold mulch]

Yeah, the cosmetic team is full of leeches

[raw steppe]

Against maulers bodyshot with flak perk does more dmg than headshot with a lot of weapons

Due to adm

[wicked zenith]

You don't need a god roll, I got 1 in 1k hours. You need a good roll, and can get one generally out of 500k gold buying of them.

[raw steppe]

I think with plasma bodyshotting actually does more than head

[wicked zenith]

It won't be a perfect godroll 380, it might be 350-379. but the dump stats is irrelevant.

[raw steppe]

Due to how adm values calc

[ancient raptor]

got this can find one ?

[untold mulch]

GIB THAT PLASTEEL

[wicked zenith]

a 380 perfect doubt it. Too rng.

[late hatch]

get the roll until rating mod to make brunts much nicer

[gilded rock]

It feels like it is very often that the headshots are registered as body shots anyway

[serene bough]

it was a dclaw sword, ripper, and infantry las if i remember correctly

[wicked zenith]

You been saving plassteel?

[serene bough]

should've bought the valhallan set while i had the chance to match with the camo

[untold mulch]

Okay finally got decimator

[wicked zenith]

Does that just stop on max item number or can you define damage etc stats to specific roll each?

[late hatch]

you can set min rating, how many to buy in a set, and to stop once you get a high enough number

and auto sell trash

[wicked zenith]

I only got you on one currency.

[tiny summit]

Do not do this. Because you will actually throw away perfectly good helbores that have max dmg and stopping power with dump stat stability

[late hatch]

just adjust your rating for diff weapons. i already have a lot of good weapons. so if im rolling a new rev im only interested in 355+

and nobody got time to delete 320s 1 by 1

[gilded rock]

43k molkies?

[wicked zenith]

I've only been interested in 370+ for some time now.

[wicked zenith]

Melk really only good for blessings and curios farms

[late hatch]

i think that might be a little too restrictive, as legate said, you will be throwing away potentially perfect dump stat weapons

[gilded rock]

Which I have had to use unfortunately often 😮‍💨

[wicked zenith]

No I just have better.

[tall torrent]

What’s adm again

[late hatch]

armour damage mod?

[tiny summit]

Armor Damage Modifier?

[tall torrent]

Oh ok

[wicked zenith]

1k hours you kinda run out of stuff to chase, besides blessings.

[tiny summit]

Some poor bastard with 30+ power swords with no PC4

[ancient raptor]

swap infernus with onslaught and then replace reload speed with either flak or elite

[late hatch]

infernus on a HB?

[wicked zenith]

Unyeilding is valid too for Orgyn's/bosses if you can't one-shot them.

[late hatch]

infernus shines on rapid fire imo

[wicked zenith]

Test the build in Meat grinder

[tiny summit]

Yea Infernus -> onslaught or falter for funny stagger or even sustained.
Flak may only be relevant against mauler bodies and scab ragers. Can go into meat grinder and see if you can 1 tap a dreg gunner

[ancient raptor]

yes i can

[wicked zenith]

Alot of people will say x or y relevant, but if it doesn't reach a break point, the difference between 2 shots and 2 shots is pointless. It doesn't matter you do 80% vs 66%

[tiny summit]

Alright well then flak will provide more value

[untold mulch]

There is a mod to test weapons with random % on the psykanium

good for breakpoint testing

[raw steppe]

Well it does lol

If you're hitting boss

[hollow ibex]

oh is there? what is the mod called?

[tiny summit]

Carapace may also be valid but I never did testing

[sonic marlin]

looks nice

[untold mulch]

Searching rn

[hollow ibex]

thanks 🫡

[sonic marlin]

is it a good idea to switch from columnus mk5 to anything else?

can something be possibly better?

[hollow ibex]

if you get bored yeah

it's going to be hard to top the columnus but agri braced or iag are both very good

[sonic marlin]

i thought about going to agri autogun

[hollow ibex]

and prob won't get hit with a nerf bat like the columnus

there's also graia braced if you want to stick with the brrrrrrrt guns

[sonic marlin]

since less bullets used and more dmg output

[hollow ibex]

yeah agri better at range

[sonic marlin]

nah, i don't want braced

i need my ads

[hollow ibex]

braced are fun

you just hold down LMB all game

[hollow ibex]

and agri braced is accurate enough that you wouldn't need to ADS anyway

[slow spade]

pain...

[hollow ibex]

hardon moment

[untold mulch]

I think

is only on the darktide mod discord

loadout config

looks kinda unstable af, but you only really need it to test a few things and then uninstall it really

[strange grove]

You never brace it?

[hollow ibex]

oof ic

ok thanks

will prob take a look at it someday

[hollow ibex]

i do sometimes lol, was being a bit hyperbolic

though i don't brace that often still, usually not needed

[serene sage]

Omega OOF

not even a redeeming quality

[soft blade]

holy bricked

[hollow ibex]

the redeeming quality is that it'll prob still be ok because it's a CIAG

[untold mulch]

Are you pleased, Varlet?

[serene sage]

wHaT a MiraCLe

[zealous wyvern]

a new wonder lies before us

[sonic marlin]

this could get good, or is gloryhunter not used on it?

[zealous wyvern]

some people like gloryhunter on it

as long as you have gets hot (i think is the one)

[sonic marlin]

so what do others use for blessings

blaze away?

[zealous wyvern]

blaze away

those are the 3 good ones i read about

[sonic marlin]

its the continous fire thingy right

[zealous wyvern]

yeah

plasma is used pretty much exclusively without charging now

just pop pop pop

[sonic marlin]

oh

[zealous wyvern]

gets hot and blaze away work well together with that

and you want thermal resistance to be lower not higher

for faster damage increase

its definitely the dumpstat

[sonic marlin]

still, i heard it has bad ammo economy, so wouldn't you use melee for common enemies?

[zealous wyvern]

but only if you have gets hot

yeah ofc

you dont blaze away at hordes

its for killing big targets, for normal specials you just shoot once and probably oneshot them

[sonic marlin]

didn't even know overheating increases dmg

i used it once when i was maybe lvl 20 and was like nope never again

don't you need a specific build for it too?

[terse idol]

No

Gets hot works either if you have high or low TR

Blaze away arguabbly is still good, but better if you have max TR

Both work anyways, shoot into hordes with blaze away or gets hot or just shoot into hordes abit

[zealous wyvern]

so you want high tr for blaze away?

[sonic marlin]

what about the perks be for it

[terse idol]

Either works but blaze away makes sense with high TR

You just want high TR but blaze away technically would benefit the most

[tall torrent]

Yea if u wanna play plasma well you need to learn melee so u don’t waste all the ammo u have on trash mobs

In terms of blessings

Gets Hot > Gloryhunter ≈ Blaze Away > Volatile > Shattering Impact

But perks are more valuable to plasma in general cuz u want 1 tap HS breakpoints

Best combination possible (assuming u grab both +15% elite and +20% ogryn/monster talent) is +elite & +carapace/unyielding

[zealous wyvern]

i have not used a plasma gun since october last year

[untold mulch]

I used it for my last penance and thats it

not fun to me

Got decimator, didn't like shovel even with it

[earnest wigeon]

any recommended changes?

[junior needle]

Can switch maniacs if you don't plan on regularly fighting naked ragers with it

And precog for something else or a higher level precog

[idle carbon]

it's already got that

[junior needle]

Switch away from maniac

excuse me

Price of multitasking

Uncanny you always want to keep

Because it's an amazing blessing

[idle carbon]

higher level precog or riposte works, depending on what build you're going for

[sonic marlin]

pretty

[soft blade]

i’d roll higher level precog and roll something else in place of maniac

[sonic marlin]

even got a bipod

[soft blade]

knife against rager is generally not the play

[tiny summit]

Bracing an agri is like never really required unless you want to mag dump a horde

[civic knot]

How do you build catachan 3 knife to be servicable against hordes? Which blessings?

Im already running weapon spec and +30% weakspot damage, desperado, trench fighter

[soft blade]

precog and maybe riposte?

idk

either way it’s gonna be pretty terrible with hordes

if you want a knife that can kinda horde clear you’d be better off with the mk 6

[civic knot]

its just that this knife is way worse at crusher killing

[soft blade]

i mean yeah

[civic knot]

is there any other weapon with comparable mobility to knife? for vet?

[soft blade]

afaik not really

[hollow ibex]

other knife

[civic knot]

or is it? im not sure

[hollow ibex]

[civic knot]

I mean the 30% weakspot dmg goes a long way dont it

[soft blade]

way worse is a stretch but it’s definitely not as good

[civic knot]

sooo

[terse idol]

Well

[civic knot]

im just finding it pretty troublesome with weapon specialist...

knife 3, that is....

i really want it for crusher killing

[terse idol]

You gotta work hard with combo manipulation to get the overheads

[civic knot]

and chainaxe has dog mobility

[terse idol]

Or well, alt-fire + Heavy

[civic knot]

and shovel is kinda meh

[civic knot]

eh

u mean block attack?

[wicked zenith]

Just block push stab them if it is the new kniffe

[soft blade]

just stick on an automatic autogun and shredders and hordes really aren’t an issue anymore

[civic knot]

this even optimal for dps?

[civic knot]

cant. Running shotguns primarily

thats my jam

[soft blade]

kantrael then

[wicked zenith]

Optimal, if it works better than you trying to keep rythum for overheads then yes.

[soft blade]

that thing mulches hordes

[civic knot]

kant is not good for killing crushers

[soft blade]

you have your knife for that

[civic knot]

i need my melee weapon to do alright against hordes tho for weapon spec to proc fast

[wicked zenith]

Optimal is based on what you can replicate, (For example the best combo in some fighting games do silly damage but 1 frame links are hard to manage online)

I prefer the chain sword as it reved stuns them unless Maelstrom

[civic knot]

I mean my crit chance will be pretty baller if I use riposte... So maybe just run riposte on the knife instead of precog and it will be better for hordes?

knife 3

[soft blade]

ehhhhhhhhhhhhh

[wicked zenith]

Crit melee with vet?

[civic knot]

absolutely

[soft blade]

giving up precog on your knife is gonna gimp you pretty hard in the damage department

[wicked zenith]

I'll just use my Crit Fan instead

[civic knot]

cause desperado + 5% crit chance node + riposte is helluva lotta crit chance

[civic knot]

dont think so cause crit chance will be very good

[wicked zenith]

Not as much as crit as this silly thing,

[civic knot]

ew remove crit damage, very bad perk

[soft blade]

yeah but you’re giving up a fat finesse bonus which is gonna effect your crit damage

[wicked zenith]

@civic knot It two shots when it crits crushers, It won't change bp.

[soft blade]

to make the knife fill a role it’s not supposed to

[civic knot]

doesnt matter, damage is damage. Run flak or something instead idk

[soft blade]

the blessings aren’t gonna make the knife good at horde clear because the reason it sucks is it’s god awful cleave

[wicked zenith]

It oneshots everything else cept Maulers and Muties, nothing changes a bp so it's irrelevant.

[soft blade]

blessings aren’t gonna fix that unfortunately

[civic knot]

cause in actuality 10% crit damage only is about less than 5% cause its calculated as a component

[wicked zenith]

It's more due to Crit bonus but yes I understand that.

[civic knot]

but like... how good is spamming the push stab for knife 6? damage wise? cause im considering using it

[soft blade]

that’s why knife vet usually runs IAGs and brautos because your kinda hamstrung for horde clear

outside of shredders obv

[civic knot]

knife vets who use weapon spec dont exist unless its a knife 6 i guess

cause u wanna kill shit fast with ur melee weapon

to get ammo back and crit chance/damage for main weapon

[soft blade]

i mean your gun is mostly just gonna be a vehicle to buff your knife

[civic knot]

true but idk i still feel like knife needs to be killing faster for shotguns to get the ammo fast af

cause they are gonna need those 10 kills with melee, and its gonna need em fast

[soft blade]

you drop chaffe to build melee specialists and then dish out hilarious damage with your knife

[civic knot]

chaffe?

wat dat

[soft blade]

shitter enemies

[civic knot]

ah

[wicked zenith]

One weapon for chaff, one weapon for Heavies is best setup for rando/qp.

[civic knot]

but like..... I already have shredders and kantrael for horde clear so I really dont need a melee weapon that is amazing at it, it just needs to kill 10 things fast while being able to kill crushers well

[soft blade]

wep spec is kind of weird because it’s not really hybrid as much as it is melee with the occasional use of a gun

[wicked zenith]

Kantrel for Horde clear?

[soft blade]

because ranged specialist only applies to the first shot of your gun

hence why it’s popular with things like revolver and plasma

[civic knot]

if shit gets dense, absolutely. Just special shot into em or shoot a few normal rounds

[wicked zenith]

The shottie not the lasgun.

[civic knot]

still hella good with kantrael shottie imo cause of that, but mostly cause of the insta reload

[soft blade]

yeah its pretty nice with shotties too

[civic knot]

like... will riposte allow me to kill trash a bit quicker than precog?

[wicked zenith]

I've always preferred the slug but then I only use them on my Zealot.

[civic knot]

cause im proccing precog aaaall the time as well

[soft blade]

precog will let you kill chaffe quicker than any other blessing

[civic knot]

really?

huh

[soft blade]

yes

[civic knot]

even lacerate?

[soft blade]

finesse increases headshot damage so

[soft blade]

way faster

[civic knot]

i mean yeah.... and i already have 30% weakspot dmg node so thats biiig stacks of dmg

[soft blade]

lacerate only procs on body shots

[civic knot]

flesh tearer maybe? cause i do have lots of crit chance either way if i dont use riposte

[wicked zenith]

Old knife for dealing with armored targets.

[soft blade]

knifes whole gimmick is finesse so aiming for the body is a meme

[civic knot]

🤮 3 point investment just to get the 1 bleed stack talent. very waste-y if you ask me

[wicked zenith]

Rending+ Mercy killer, that is on my zealot, I use a chain sword on my vet or ax

[soft blade]

i mean a knife crit is probably gonna oneshot the majority of horde enemies so you’ll basically just have a cosmetic blessing

[wicked zenith]

Rending helps with the damage on Crushers and Maulers, and Uncanny ups damage more if you headshot, Just don't miss.

[soft blade]

my advice is if you really want to run knife vet be prepared to use an IAG

[sonic marlin]

why do people just let themselves get killed by snipers

[soft blade]

you might be able to figure something out with the mk 6 but idk a whole lot about it

[sonic marlin]

died like 2 minutes before the end

[civic knot]

This is what you would be suggesting then for the tree lol. You definitely dont need the 10% melee damage node with all those other ones above weapon spec. But then again melee vet is a meme and shouldnt be brought into auric maelstrom unless you wanna meme

[wicked zenith]

Why not grab Bring it down if you are having issues with Crushers and/or Rending strikes?

[civic knot]

when did i say I was xD. Cause you want elite damage more than anything. Elites are literally the most dangerous "must be dead yesterday" enemy type, except for specials. Veterans role is to kill specials/elites.

[wicked zenith]

I typically run it both on every Vet build the keystones I find pointless.

[civic knot]

need weapon spec for shotguns. just that simple. Here is the tree im using for kantrael. Works like a charm in auric maelstrom

[wicked zenith]

Complex, Rending Strikes, Bring it down. The one I do optionally is Onslaught for Braced Autoguns since brittleness helps all damage

[civic knot]

Dont need rending or ogryn dmg since shotgun is good enough already for ogryns. Ammo and elite damage is more important imo

[wicked zenith]

you have 2 points you could pull, but you would have to manage stam and not have the resupply perk which shouldn't be relevant (but I understand qp is qp.)

Crushers are still Orgyns.

[civic knot]

Field improv is insanely good for your team. Its not even a debate.

[vapid thunder]

whats the point of this

[civic knot]

Knife can deal with em just fine combined with shredders and shout to stun. really no problem at all

[civic knot]

To get you to find friends lmao (jk)

[wicked zenith]

@vapid thunder To stop trolls from doing it in qp

[vapid thunder]

whats wrong with doing them in qp

[civic knot]

The average quickplayer doesnt have a good idea what they should be doing

[terse idol]

Because those penances were old and many hurt your team

[civic knot]

and this too ofc

[terse idol]

Or you can't hardly do it with pubs iE, the psyker penance to kill a bon with only bb

[vapid thunder]

fair enough, having a zealot trying to speedrun with 1 wound left might be a pain for their team

[wicked zenith]

@vapid thunder Some are incredibly toxic to try to do, some have been nerfed the vet had one with end with 0 ammo and never miss a shot

[vapid thunder]

that vet one always struck me as really easy regardless

[wicked zenith]

@civic knot eh, Takes just the attack speed I never needed any of the other melee only ablities, but then my melee gear is only

[vapid thunder]

just empty your entire gun into a monstrosity and then go melee only

[spice wadi]

I think it was mostly for the veteran and psyker one

[wicked zenith]

Back then, you regened ammo every special kill.

[spice wadi]

because you got people going WILD when someone else shot a monstrosity

[wicked zenith]

The Zealot rush one is also silly it has a time limit

Get down to one wound and then rush the map

[sturdy crow]

Thinking about getting a power sword for my vet. Never used one. Is mk 6 the one that can twoshot crushers on the push attack?

[spice wadi]

ye

[tall torrent]

Has anyone else experienced a bug where chaos spawn throws u outside the map then u fall through the map and die

[wicked zenith]

Yes that been around since launch it isn't only to chaos spawn

[sturdy crow]

What do I need for it to do that? +Carapace I guess?

[wicked zenith]

The muties can do it too

[spice wadi]

depends on how it rolls first up

[ancient raptor]

happened this with a mutant

[civic knot]

No but Ive been mutied into the spawnroom once in throneside, and a mutie got all of us back out again XD

[sturdy crow]

Yesterday a spawn threw me through the floor and I fell into the endless void

[tall torrent]

I’ve had it happen twice now

[civic knot]

Warp moment

[wicked zenith]

There is a few rooms if the spawn grabs you he'll even just throw you above the map and on the roof, just alt+F4 and rejoin it'll put you back with the team

[tall torrent]

Throw me outside the map then I fall into void

Causing wipe

Actually unreal

[wicked zenith]

alt+f4 before you die and rejoin.

[tall torrent]

Why can’t they just fix this

[sturdy crow]

I had it happen once on my vet when I was clutching about to kill the spawn all solo and then go rescue the team

[wicked zenith]

I don't work for them, I'm just saying how to not die to it.

[sturdy crow]

Kind of annoying tbh

[wicked zenith]

Agreed

[sturdy crow]

What stats are important for it?

[wicked zenith]

It does happen far far less than it did at launch. I use to see it daily at launch.

[spice wadi]

damage/finesse

standard dump stat is uhhhh

mobility

can be 50 with no real loss

[sturdy crow]

Yeah so it's the standard stuff then

[wicked zenith]

Mobility is always a dump stat

[sturdy crow]

I guess +weakspot damage in the tree helps too

[spice wadi]

you can find on a lot of weapons that you get the extra dodge at a pretty low % of mobility

and beyond that point you get nothing much at all from higher mobility

aka i repeat the other guy's point but longer

[terse idol]

Well besides aliiittlle

Dodge distance

[sturdy crow]

Yeah it's usually just some minor increase to dodge distance and sprint speed

[civic knot]

What to change?

[wicked zenith]

Honestly if it limited your turning speed it may not be but yeah...It's like +0-1 dodges.

[spice wadi]

i want my guardsman to control like im playing truck simulator

[sturdy crow]

Weak spot damage is disgusting

[civic knot]

ofc, will change. But what blessing numbnuts

[terse idol]

Melee weakspot to uh

[wicked zenith]

Weakspot to something else. Unarmored, Maniac,

[terse idol]

Unarmoured

Or manaic

Flak is goooo

[civic knot]

ik already hahah, meant to ask what blessing

[terse idol]

And wrath with rampage

[wicked zenith]

The rest is fine, save the second lock.

[terse idol]

Wrath with rampage

If you had savage sweep

Orrrr

Rampage

It would be better

But I dunno if I'd keep wrath

Maybe

Maybe give it a try

But rampage is good

With shred too

Honestly swapping shred with Rampage
Or wrath with Rampage is good

Imo

*cough

[tall torrent]

I’d go shred + rampage

Wrath is not the most impactful blessing for DC swords

It’ll allow u to cleave through mauler and scab rager easier but flak cleave distribution is horrible regardless

[wicked zenith]

Is there a Crit chance hard cap?

[civic knot]

Im currently in a game and melk is resetting in 1 minute. Will the new contracts be progressed in game?

[wispy hinge]

bros i know exec with columnus leads to massive damage, but is it still viable to just go into voice of command

the utility is too good

[wicked zenith]

VOC will be nerfed at some point in some way it's too strong

[wispy hinge]

dont say that

PLEASE

for the love of god

[hard briar]

Site sources

[timid otter]

Hello guys

[wicked zenith]

Don't learn to lean on it like people did with the the old sword. @hard briar It's by far better than the other options no question.

[timid otter]

would you prefer to have an extra 80% mobility or 33% damage on your weapons?

[hard briar]

Only because of the cdr talent

[wispy hinge]

whats the context?

[hard briar]

Which isn't tied to the Ability itself, it's a whole separate talent.

You wanna nerf VoC? You nerf the cdr talent.

[wicked zenith]

The cooldown talent can be taken by the others and it doesn't help either of them.

[timid otter]

Ex being able to reach 160% mobility.

[hard briar]

33% damage

[wispy hinge]

the 33% damage tbh

[raw crag]

I FINALLY FOUND ONE

[wispy hinge]

thats not bad 👀

[wicked zenith]

1k hours and I haven't found Power cycler lol

[wispy hinge]

not amazing but not bad, you can make it work

[low yacht]

Veteran needs a flamer

[raw crag]

thx malk

[hard briar]

Untrue

[wispy hinge]

not even from melk? damna thats bad luck

[raw crag]

even if it was bad, i finally found a sword with fkin power cycler

[low yacht]

I think it would work.

[wicked zenith]

Melk's never had it

[civic knot]

💀 not even PC4

[wicked zenith]

He had the energized hit one but not pc

[low yacht]

Flamers aren't exactly exclusive weapons.

[hard briar]

Except they are

[wispy hinge]

i have the same problem but with uncanny strike

[low yacht]

It's used by specialists.

[hard briar]

Exclusively for Zealot

[wicked zenith]

Psychers use Flamers via a staff already

[hard briar]

That's a staff

[wicked zenith]

we don't need 4 classes all using flamers, we have enough Flame wars as it is

[hard briar]

And it's only up.over flamer is that it's infinite ammo

[wicked zenith]

It spreads also on death via perks

[low yacht]

It's not infinite.

[hard briar]

Sure is

[terse idol]

It is infinite ammoo

[hard briar]

I dont recall ever seeing a Pysker say "I need more ammo for my stave!"

[terse idol]

Can't run out

[low yacht]

Last time I used flamer I had to reload so much.

[terse idol]

No the psyker

[raw crag]

maybe buff the existing flamer first before giving any more classes them

[terse idol]

I thought the flame for zealot was decent

[hard briar]

Existing flamer is fine

Just use chastise the wicked

[low yacht]

I mean but veterans having one would make more variety in builds.

[hard briar]

How?

[raw crag]

it's fine, where much everything else is GREAT in comparison

[terse idol]

Ehh

We have like 0 synergy

Zealots for the inverse of Longshot

[low yacht]

It does.

[hard briar]

Idk man, killing everything on screen in range short of Crushers and Bosses seems pretty great to me

[terse idol]

Close shot even

[low yacht]

The militarum uses flamers.

[terse idol]

Yes but

[crude fiber]

Precision flame thrower for vet when

[hard briar]

And?

[terse idol]

Zealots are the echiziarchy

We are just the same faction

[crude fiber]

Is there a sniper melta gun?

[low yacht]

What about it?

[hard briar]

By your logic,
Ogyrns should be able to solo missions effortlessly because they are that strong in canon

[terse idol]

I mean there's no use gameplay wise

To give vets a flamer

[hard briar]

But Fatshark doesnt have them like that

Because gameplay

[soft blade]

doesn’t mean it’ll happen

[raw crag]

kantrael shotty tho

[hard briar]

Gameplay> Your cringe lore.

[terse idol]

Chill jesus

Half this game is lore

[soft blade]

besides we’re not in a guard regiment we’re in an inquisitors retinue

[low yacht]

Don't see the issue as everyone has the pistol.

[terse idol]

From a gameplay perspectivr

We just don't have synergy its fine that the imperium uses flamers

[hard briar]

Yes. I totally can solo a Daemon of Nurgle with a knife.

[low yacht]

And it's just a mini bolter.

[terse idol]

But zealots technically don't even exist

Because guess ehat

[raw crag]

emprah's with ye

[terse idol]

theyre militia

Darktide is its own lore segment

[raw crag]

[low yacht]

Doesn't make them Militarum

[terse idol]

It doesnt matter

We're an inquisition warband

[low yacht]

We are a penal warband.

[hard briar]

That's not a class tied weapon tho

[soft blade]

nobody in our group is militarum outside of their backstories

[terse idol]

At level 3p

[hard briar]

Idk man, I don't feel like a penal warband

[terse idol]

30

You are part of the inquisition now

As a kill team

[hard briar]

Rannick himself is telling me to go places and is upset when ppl have me do stuff he didn't approve

[soft blade]

you’re part of an inquisitors retinue

[low yacht]

You're not a guardsman.

[hard briar]

WELL we're the retinue of the Inquisitor's Right Hand Man

[raw crag]

#40k-lore-chat is that way

[hard briar]

https://tenor.com/view/billy-crystal-tissue-kleenex-tempo-stop-crying-gif-15048056

Regardless, there's no reason Fatshark should forgo the current formula of keeping certain weapons tied to certain classes

[soft blade]

we don’t need more flamers

[terse idol]

Well yeah

That does mean we're not astramilitarum

Or anymore

[soft blade]

give the vet a melta or something cooler maybe a combi weapon

[raw crag]

is the flamer we have a heavy flamer tho?

[terse idol]

So it does make sense that the weapon roles are different

[raw crag]

[low yacht]

Heavy flamer is Class specific

[soft blade]

don’t matter

[low yacht]

Just give that to veteran

[soft blade]

flamer is flamer

[terse idol]

Imperial guardsmen using flamers are theoretically using them against like orkz and shit anyways

[low yacht]

Heavy Flamer isn't the same thing

[raw crag]

https://tenor.com/view/heavy-flamer-heresy-purge-warhammer40k-lightning-claws-gif-16488791

[terse idol]

But vets are like

Goood

We're a cut above regular guardsmen

[low yacht]

Heavy flamer isn't even the same thing.

[terse idol]

Is all im saaying

[soft blade]

it’s just a stronger flamer it’s functionally the same thing

[raw crag]

how did loose cannon get there?

[terse idol]

Because... well we're vets

[raw crag]

with his traxis somethin somethings?

[terse idol]

I mean

Memes aside

[low yacht]

We have eviscerators and chain swords.

[terse idol]

Like he's using his course attitude to cope

He's a vet

[soft blade]

shit talking probably

[terse idol]

He's a professional that survived

[low yacht]

Your point isn't making much sense.

[terse idol]

That's the funny

[hard briar]

Probably because he/she tried to kill her Sgt

[low yacht]

Eviscerators are just two handed chain swords.

[hard briar]

Loose Canon has voicelines, wanting to kill their sgt

[terse idol]

The guy who forgets the number designations is better because he can survive and does magic with a gun

[raw crag]

i meant how did he/she get considered "good"

[hard briar]

They're also very insubordinate

[raw crag]

or "veteran" in this case

[terse idol]

Because they know how to survive

Its like, look irl

You have marines

Who, many are dumb as fuck

Who live

Because they know their way around a combat situation

Same as the loose cannon

[hard briar]

A Gaurdsmem who can shoot well and kill the things you send them to kill (despite all the b*tching they do)

[tawny glen]

your training adn service history defines if ur good or not

[soft blade]

i mean most guardsmen are pretty foul mouthed and brutish

[terse idol]

Doesn't matter if you don't know the designations if you can just convey "FUCKING SNIPER RIGHT THERE"

And survive

[low yacht]

Inflicts more heat it isn't just a larger flamer. More damage and it isn't the same thing.

[raw crag]

well they're soldiers, of course

[terse idol]

Like loose cannon, is a brilliant representation of the different kinds of guardsmen

The loose guy

The fucking former special ops

(Cadian)

[raw crag]

why does he keep trying to call enemies codes?

[terse idol]

And the by the text book smart ass

(Professional)

[raw crag]

it wastes time before he goes "ah kark it, it's SNIPER!"

[hard briar]

Because that's how you keep good comms

[soft blade]

because they use codenames to be more concise and accurate in the guard

[terse idol]

Its funny and he's trying to remeber

[raw crag]

SOMETHING...SOMETHIN SNI-sniped

[hard briar]

Everyone is gonna have different nicknames for stuff

[terse idol]

"TRAXIS SOMETHING SOMETHING... SNIPER"

[soft blade]

loose canon is just a goober and can’t remember them

[hard briar]

But if everyone calls this enemy, this thing as dictated by doctrine
Everyone knows what that enemy is regardless of background

[soft blade]

or just didn’t care to learn

[raw crag]

makes me think of ogryn's "WATCH OUT, EXPLODING BARRE-boom"

[terse idol]

I mean he cares

He's probably fucked up

Can't remeber

[soft blade]

i’m betting he’s just an underachiever

[terse idol]

Its why he's trying so hard

Yeah for sure

[hard briar]

I mean getting promoted in the Gaurd isn't a blessing

[raw crag]

everyone outside of professional and cutthroat vet don't call em by code

[hard briar]

Become Sgt and now you have X amount of idiots to take care of

[raw crag]

even the enforcer psykers

[terse idol]

I mean, I like to head cannon a situation where the loose cannon is a Sgt. And can lead his troops, it's just, he looks really bad out of combat

[hard briar]

And their actions are your fault

[terse idol]

In combat he easily controls the battlefield

[dark flower]

because they're not guardsmen

lol

[soft blade]

because everyone else isn’t coming from the guard

[terse idol]

I mean former

All vets are former guardsmen

That are... vets

[dark flower]

once a guardsman always a guardsman

[raw crag]

then i guess loose cannon just trying to keep up appearances?

[terse idol]

They've seen action

[soft blade]

pretty much

[raw crag]

trying and failing miserably ofc

[terse idol]

Cadian is easy

[hard briar]

The pyskers are
A cop
A Necromundan Gang member
And Crazy person

[terse idol]

They came from a fortress world

[hard briar]

So they wouldn't have codes

[terse idol]

Professional is by the books

[hard briar]

All the Ogyrns can't remember the codes

Zealots are all different hobos who got arrested for dumb shit

[raw crag]

brawler tries, bless him

[hard briar]

Veteran is the only one with a military background that would remember the codes (forgot which ogyrns had military backgrounds)

[raw crag]

cutthroat too right?

[hard briar]

Think cutthroat was an Underhiver like Judge was

[raw crag]

tho you more rarely hear him call em that

[hard briar]

Wait cutthroat is the cadian isn't he?

Thought u mean Ogyrns

[terse idol]

Bully, something something...

[hard briar]

Bully is the underhiver ogyrn that Judge sees as a Brother

[terse idol]

Forgor

[raw crag]

oh nvm i thought you wrote "vet prof" lol

[terse idol]

But anyways, yeah, I love the loose cannon

[soft blade]

loose cannon is the wave

[raw crag]

but yea brawler ogryn is the ogryn vet afaik

though i guess bodyguard is also

[hard briar]

Yea

Maybe even all 3, frankly. Ogyrns are useful in the Gaurd

[terse idol]

Some are kiinda dumber

[raw crag]

bully is iffy

[terse idol]

Lile the boarding ogryn is uh

[hard briar]

Naw

[terse idol]

I mean I just had a Voiceline saying how he wasn't even sure he had the bone'ead implant

Maybe he is he the smartest ogryn

Out of the 3

[hard briar]

Ogyrns are in units with other Ogyrns led by a Commsissar

[terse idol]

Because he's the only one without the implant

[hard briar]

Bodyguard is the smartest

[raw crag]

bodyguard doesn't have one either

[terse idol]

I mean bardin voice

[raw crag]

he's just a naturally smart cookie

[hard briar]

No implant and he's like that

Bully is smart but doesn't want one

[terse idol]

Do you think any of them have the implant

[hard briar]

And Brawler needs his fixed

[terse idol]

Cause I really dunno

[hard briar]

Brawler has one

He actively complains about it hurting

And buzzing

[raw crag]

and hearing "metal lady's" voice through it

[hard briar]

Savant pysker tells him he thinks his implant is broken

[hard briar]

Hadron

[terse idol]

I just got one voiceline saying how he wasn't sure he had one

So he tells the others not to tell anyone

[tawny glen]

how good are sapper shovels in terms of 1 to powersword

[raw crag]

do you know any other?

[hard briar]

Any of the other techpriests in the cinematic would could be female

[soft blade]

like an 8.5

[tawny glen]

p good

nice

[soft blade]

yeah they’re solid

[raw crag]

some of em will have to start using "(still not a girl)" as well then

[hard briar]

Why would they?

Some of the techpriests do and don't identify as whatever they identify.

Some, like in the Ciaphas Cain books, are married to eachother

[stiff merlin]

I was just messing around with the revolver and I did it

[junior needle]

I identify as the Emperors fury made manifest

[lucid hinge]

reject your mortal body
embrace living sainthood

[junior needle]

Nay, you musn't reject your mortal body. Give it in service to the Emperor.

[weak hamlet]

Can you guess which two persons complained when I pointed out they should use their combat stims during boss fights instead of dying with them ? 🙂

[earnest wigeon]

thanks for the advice

[stiff merlin]

The flesh fails. Hadron, give me upgrades.

[junior needle]

Installs a brick where your heart should be

I hope you are pleased, varlet.

[austere mica]

I find a 379 MK2 Helbore and it has this janky ass stat spread

[raw apex]

rip

[celest vine]

Have one like this

[austere mica]

I need it for bayonett schenanigans so it works just fine

but like

[lyric dock]

That be a nice Helbore

[celest vine]

I dont use it ever tho

[sonic marlin]

took 3 resets and all give me 500+

[celest vine]

Its nice to have though

[lyric dock]

Give it a shot. Remember to get stabby if something gets close as the stab does bring down fodder enemies really fast

[lyric dock]

Oof on the 16 grims/Scriptures

[sonic marlin]

easy af

thats 6 missions of picking up scriptures

[lyric dock]

Assuming you get all 3 at once

[formal rock]

Bodyguard wants one, Bully doesn't think he needs one, and Brawler has one (but it's probably malfunctioning).

[sonic marlin]

yeah i will since people run those all the time for contracts

[formal rock]

In terms of intelligence, my personal view on the matter is:

• Bully is clearly the most intelligent, simply due to the fact that he's smart enough to be wilfully spiteful. Also, he by far is the most literate out of all the ogryns, hardly ever mispronouncing or tripping over his own words, and even says some pretty fancy Latin without error first-try. He also never loses an argument, ever. It's amazing to see him in action.
• Bodyguard is close to Bully -- he's not exactly brilliant, mind you, but he is self-aware of his own (lack of) intelligence, and he has a wicked witty sense of humour; enough that he often makes jokes based on how he expects others to perceive him. Pretty damn smart in my books.
• Brawler is closest to the "classic" ogryn, a.k.a. can barely count to 5 and forgets what he's supposed to be doing half the time. But his current state is likely due to a bad BONE'ead implant. He's smart enough to understand the current tactical situation and call for correct (if not inspired) responses to them. Judging by his "get back in coherency" voice lines, he was probably a squad leader at some point, too.

[junior needle]

I don't even bother trying to maximize rolls and just go with the easiest missions it gives me that I can do passively

[sonic marlin]

[junior needle]

I found it way more enjoyable

Scrip hunting was a pain

And I have multiple characters

[lyric dock]

The only mission I really reroll off the bat is Scriptures and Complete missions without players dying

[terse idol]

NOW TO BE FAIR, No Ogryn can count to 5

Aside from 1

But Brawler is getting by

[sonic marlin]

never really bothered me, i gotta kinda focus only for the scriptures, rest i can do passively

[junior needle]

Scrip is the only one there I wouldnt run

[raw steppe]

I skip scrips and no deaths at 3/6

Sometimes 8 missions if i dont like the class

Like ogr

[rigid whale]

from what I know about Warhammer lore, the claims of ogryns being exceptionally stupid is probably massively exaggerated, or was dialed back overtime because having ogryns be intelligent enough to be actual likeable characters is more interesting

bully notably isn't very naive which I find interesting

[terse idol]

They're usually as smart as like a 4th grader
They're not

Like

They're not entirely babies

They're stupidity is also a reason why they're so loyal too

[junior needle]

What number can 4th graders count up to typically?

Might be a bit generous there

[late hatch]

Some young children can be fairly smart. Its often parental neglect or poisoning like fetal alcohol syndrome which leads to dumb kids

[formal rock]

I love Brawler. He's my main man and the biggest, wholesomest chungus in the game.
Brawler, like all ogryns, is very wise in his own way. In particular, he's really good at (accidentally) revealing how foolish the others can be, particularly the zealots. The big man even wants to learn to read (if he can convince the female Agitator to teach him). He's simply not that interested in things that aren't nosh, fightin', and getting more of both. Literally the embodiment of " 'ate 'eretics, luv me Emprah, luv me mates, luv me nosh. Simple as".
(It's implied he's suffering from some serious PTSD, which he knows not to attempt to relive during a mission. Might have something to do with the BONE'ead implant malfunctioning. Poor lad really deserves a better universe than this one...)

[rigid whale]

I feel bad for the bully Ogryn when he revives and says something along the lines of "don't worry, I won't hurt you"

or the inverse, pleading not to be hurt when he's getting revived

[jaunty tinsel]

who's the onne who says "sah" all the time?

that one's my favorite ogryn

[rigid whale]

brawler

[late hatch]

4th grade maths

[formal rock]

Brawler (I hardly know 'er!)

[rigid whale]

is it true that brawler ogryn is voiced by bardin

[formal rock]

No, but he sounds really similar for whatever reason.

[jaunty tinsel]

Brawler-Professional interactions are the best

Probably makes the Vet feel like he's back home in the guard

[junior needle]

Sounds far in excess of ogryn mathematical limits

[late hatch]

if you find a 4th grade child who cant count to 5 you have found a serious issue with parenting

[formal rock]

Sir Milk has Bardin's VA, and I have a big hunch that the random operators/guards on the Mourningstar that greet you when you walk by are voiced by the OG cast as an easter egg.

[umbral scaffold]

most americans cant even do this irl

[formal rock]

I personally adore the Brawler-M!Cadian vet interactions. Probably the closest that the poor fragger gets to openly caring for the wellbeing of one of his squadmates. Since both seem to suffer from serious PTSD, (well, Brawler would if his BONE'ead wasn't frying his brain), there might be some hidden camraderie under there, too.

[late hatch]

granted that is in modern schooling, which im not sure ogryns have any real education besides how to kill things and not break things that they shouldnt

[junior needle]

Given that it's directly beneficial to have subordinates capable of doing basic math and having some level of problem solving, I'm guessing it's been tried and failed

[late hatch]

or its just hyperbolic lore like almost all 40k

[junior needle]

By Ogryn standards, Nork is a genius, given that he can write his name (or at least the first initial of it), count as high as four and even speak in short sentences. These are rare (if not unique) achievements in Ogryn development. For this reason, he was taken out of the normal stream of warfare and underwent artificial mental enhancement (possibly the same process used in the creation of Bone 'eads) and was soon training within a special unit[1].

[late hatch]

remember this started as just a bunch of nerds making a dystopian far future scenario for a game lol

[jaunty tinsel]

On the other hand, their stupidity is a part of what makes them such attractive soldiers; the Imperium is explicitly anti-intellectual, so something like an Ogryn is great for high-trust positions. Like being a bodyguard.

[junior needle]

Remember, just because it looks exaggerated or ridiculous from our perspective, doesn't mean it isn't canon in universe

[jaunty tinsel]

Just making them smart only makes them more dangerous humans, who have disgusting traits like self-awareness.

[rigid whale]

isn't there a story about a female ogryn psyker

[late hatch]

"kill those 5 enemies soldier!"
ogryn stunlocked because he cant count past 4.

[formal rock]

Definitely dialed back -- in typical WH40K fashion for the time, the earlylore was pretty excessive in describing just how idiotic they were. Lots of mentions about how most ogryns couldn't even really learn to converse in any meaningful way. I'm a lot happier about their portrayal in DarkTide, though; here, they're shown not as completely drooling idiots, just literally built different. They're meant to get in a scrap and crush punies, not ponder the ethics of authoritarian rule.

[jaunty tinsel]

that'ss why the bodyguard is the best job for an ogryn. they just have to protect one guy

[formal rock]

IIRC she shows up as an important side character/macguffin in one of the newer books. It's heavily implied that the Cicatrix Maledictum is causing changes that otherwise wouldn't/shouldn't occur, one of which is speeding up ogryn's re-evolution of their intelligence

[junior needle]

Female

ogryn

[jaunty tinsel]

I think making them so stupid they can't talk just makes them more boring characters. Worldbuilding aside, definitely good that they made the Ogryn a real character.

[junior needle]

psyker

[jaunty tinsel]

Though I also like the idea that our Darktide Ogryn was implanted with a bone'ead

[junior needle]

There's a line of words I wasn't expecting

[jaunty tinsel]

that way it doesn't necessarily contradict the lore

[junior needle]

Apparently our ogryns are "alpha type" and there's many different types of ogryns

[rigid whale]

is that why they reintroduced space dwarves

[junior needle]

According to in game dialogue

[formal rock]

Though I also like the idea that our Darktide Ogryn was implanted with a bone'ead
The fact that Bully and Bodyguard are so darn smart (relative to the lore) and the voicelines explicitly point out that they lack the implants, while showing the Brawler as struggling to keep up despite having the implant... I think GW is trying to hint at some important changes to the ogryn lore

[rigid whale]

"shut up about gray ogryns, they're not real"

[soft blade]

the more current iteration of ogryns is definitely better

[jaunty tinsel]

I didn't know that the different voicelines have different circumstances like that.

The Brawler actually says that he has an implant?

[soft blade]

goofy giant soldiers is infinitely better than barely sentient musclebound barbarians

if i wanted that id just look at khorne

[rigid whale]

iirc it's implied the brawler ogryn's implant is malfunctioning, there are lines about him smelling of burnt meat

[formal rock]

Absolutely. I love the Brawler and I main him, but even I get a little jealous of how surprisingly witty the other two ogryns get to be at times. Like, they genuinely outbanter the other rejects at many points. Brawler is the cutest biggest man, but sadly his most memorable lines tend to be either him struggling with major concepts he obviously used to be able to before (like his PTSD or his impressive vocabulary), or playing Forrest Gump to the others. Having all the Ogryns be at his level would have been extremely hard to write enough interesting dialogue for.

[jaunty tinsel]

I love Brawler the most too, though admittedly that's more because I get to be on the other side of his Forrest Gump-isms.

"they just got lucky, sah" and I'm like "Thanks bro, haha."

[formal rock]

Yep. He tends to mention it more around the psykers and the other ogryns. It's also one of the reasons I caved and got the BONE'ead cosmetic from Alice's Sweatshop, lol

[rigid whale]

I'm a lil bummed that Ogryn only gets 3 voices compared to the other classes' 6, kinda wish they gave him a 4th personality to compensate

[late hatch]

philosopher ogryn would be pog

asking the deep questions

[jaunty tinsel]

"what if.. me am smart?"

better yet, he'd be asking those simple questions that cause everyone else to stumble

"what is Good, sah?"

'uhhhhh'

[formal rock]

Brawler is an absolute treasure for his teammates. It's really like a giant, violent, good-natured 7-year-old fighting alongside you. It's also subtly horrifying that the Imperium is essentially using mentally-childlike abhumans as shock troopers, and are not only okay with it, but prefer it -- but that kind of stomach-churning desperation is part of the draw of the franchise

[soft blade]

“sah what’s the meanin of life sah?”

[jaunty tinsel]

What's interesting is that it really seems less like desperation the more you look into it, how the Imperial elite seems to PREFER ogryns to humans in nearly every menial circumstance.

I would bet money that, if they could, Imperial aristocrats would replace their entire lower class with ogryns. The main inhibition just seems to be their low numbers.

[formal rock]

"Stayin' alive long enough to get those double rations back at base, big man. And sharing them with a good pal, too."

[jaunty tinsel]

and many military roles, like line infantry, i'm sure the Imperium would fill exclusively with ogryns if they could

[rigid whale]

I like that brawler ogryn says he hates abhumans

[soft blade]

he’s a little confused but he’s got the spirit

[rigid whale]

I also find it funny that when you have a conversation with the squad shit talking hadron, bully replies "don't say another word"

[late hatch]

well the US military tried hiring idiots and ended up making it law that you cant get into the army if your IQ is lower than 80 iirc as then you become too dangerous to your own side

[formal rock]

Lmao, I love that too. It's pretty much (paraphrasing here) "Boy I sure do hate those filthy abhumans, sah, but say, wot's an abhuman again?"

[rigid whale]

he's the only one who remembers that the vox channels are audible to her lol

[jaunty tinsel]

modern warfare is also conducted very, very, differently to how it's conducted in 40k.

[late hatch]

well yes and no. plenty of grunt work carrying boxes of food and ammo around, setting up tents, digging foxholes, etc

[soft blade]

yeah but the US military hasn’t had to fight actual demons from hell yet so maybe we’ll see in the future

[gilded rock]

It would make sense. Normal humans mostly have desires and sometimes dreams, ogryns love muh nosh and sometimes fighting

[jaunty tinsel]

Yeah, all the sort of stuff Ogryns could conceivably do, at least with the current Darktide lore.

[formal rock]

They definitely try to do so. But it's the combination of (as you say) low numbers and limited intelligence that hold it back. Ogryn-only regiments are exceedingly rare (actually, I'm not sure one even exists yet); they tend to be attached to existing mainline human regiments as support sprinkled through the ranks, at best having a few purely ogryn squads here and there

[jaunty tinsel]

Exactly. They're favored because Ogryns are practically incapable of real dissent.

[late hatch]

plogryn enters the chat

[gilded rock]

((and also crazy jacked by default))

[jaunty tinsel]

The primary implementation I've seen is being a commissar's bodyguards, or in other words, his enforcers. A commissar with a squad of ogryns for bodyguards is basically frag-proof

[formal rock]

I have a suspicion that the plogryn wasn't exactly turned with his full awareness and/or consent

[jaunty tinsel]

same goes for any officers lucky enough to have ogryn bodyguards

More to keep those filthy free-thinking human guardsmen in line

[late hatch]

whispers from demons turned space marine regiments, some of the most intelligent and learned people

[gilded rock]

I think this is true. Maybe big man just wanted the suffering to end :(

[soft blade]

iirc in lore ogryns usually fall to chaos by being told whatever god they fall too is actually the emperor and so they start worshipping them too

[gilded rock]

I always feel bad about the couple of dead ogryns you can see in levels

[opaque kayak]

Lotta Ogryn talk in vet chat.

[gilded rock]

Good

[rigid whale]

that's because vets love ogryns

[soft blade]

ogryn channel 2

[jaunty tinsel]

Ogryns are the Vet's only real friend.

zealot keeps telling the vet to run to his own death. psyker is... you know

[soft blade]

if you think about it ogryn is just bigger veteran so we’re allowed to discuss here

[rigid whale]

I once met a veteran named Ogryn who just roleplayed as an ogryn lol

[jaunty tinsel]

Vet better be the Ogryn's best friend too. Otherwise this would be really sad.

[past haven]

Hey Gamers. Think I should buy this from Milkman? I've heard Plasma Gun is really strong right now, but I know very little about it

[opaque kayak]

Ogryn’s best friend is rashuns.

[junior needle]

Quite solid, I'd recommend. You'll get a 4/4 good by changing perks

Good damage stats

[jaunty tinsel]

Also yes Traitor Ogryns are said to be tricked, and also HEAVILY drugged to keep them under control. I don't think there's a single ogryn character that's ever willingly fallen to chaos.

[late hatch]

rolls are a little low but its usable. change perks to cara and maniac i guess

[jaunty tinsel]

and plague ogryn would have been dealt the worst hand of them all

[past haven]

Aight, sick! Flak/Maniac or Cara/Maniac?

[past haven]

oh, bet

[junior needle]

To note, damage/stopping power is the most important, the other rolls are more just nice to have

[jaunty tinsel]

though, you could say most humans don't actually fall to chaos either, but just fall for the grift -- not realizing what chaos actually is until it's too late

[late hatch]

you dont need flak on plasma as it melts them. cara better value or unyeilding can help but its a little meh

[junior needle]

The most common perk setup seems to be maniac/unyielding but it depends on the gun stats

[late hatch]

ammo and thermal are nice to have a bit higher imo

[formal rock]

Aye, though that does depend on the commissar. Ogryns also have a reputation for being absolutely adored by the common soldiery (well, at least while they aren't stuck with ogryn daycare). which we see clearly in action with the in-game vets. They practically adopt the ogryns.

[soft blade]

ogryn vet interactions always have a strong father/mother and son vibe

[rigid whale]

I love that ogryn has a subclass that's just Bigger Veteran

[formal rock]

Gunlugger? Hardly know 'er.

[jaunty tinsel]

I think Ogryns are more of a deterrent than something actually used for control purposes, basically just there is always the threat that if someone tried to kill the commissar they'd have to deal with Grok, though as long as nobody tries that then Grok is a great friend

Man I hate being mogged by Gunlugger.

[formal rock]

You can rest easy knowing that the gunlugger requires at least 15 shots to drop anything past 40m

Achlyslugger sometimes feels like having the world's fattest SMG instead of an actual LMG

[rigid whale]

are there confirmed names of the subclasses we were gonna get before the RPG skill tree update?

[tribal tangle]

This thing any good?

[formal rock]

Not 100% sure, but I don't think there were. However, it was guessed because the current names (Skullbreaker, Bullgryn, Gunlugger) are all iconic unit names of the Ogryns/Ogres (WHFB)

[formal rock]

Workable, yep! Though stopping power instead of mobility would have been nice

I forget if headhunter (increased crit chance on repeated weakpoint hits) is a blessing for the HH autogun, but that one might be worth swapping crucian roulette for. You only have 46 rounds ub the barrel, meaning you'll at best have a ~30% bonus to crit for the very last round

[junior needle]

The agri is considered the worst headhunter currently. Deadly is likely a good pickup for it but for the rest it's likely a 3/4 scuffer.

Basically no one ever uses or talks about it

You want to have max damage AND stopping power because stopping power affects damage too

[tribal tangle]

big rip

looks like braced autos remain

[atomic zephyr]

if you're really itching for a headhunter id recommend the vraks 7

[late hatch]

iirc its the vraks 7 you want in headhunters

[atomic zephyr]

closest we'll get to a sniper rifle

[gusty bison]

V3 or V7

But they play very different

[tribal tangle]

eh i was just wondering if it was worth since melk had it, probably just stick to agripinaa and columnus braced

[gusty bison]

One is a bodyshot spammer (with headshots on hardier targets)

The other is a 1 tap headshot gun

[gusty bison]

Tbf A9 is prolly still better on vet than brauto

In all seriousness though play what style u like, just note that the HH series guns is like the literal opposite of the brauto

[late hatch]

HH is like a dmr. brauto is like a CS AK

[timid otter]

12% more damage or 55% more mobility?

[tribal tangle]

tbh i use the revolvers more than anything else lmao

[gusty bison]

More like a CoD AK since u can run and gun with it

In CS if u try to do that u hit the ceiling

[trim steppe]

oh yes, don't mind if I do

[atomic zephyr]

is flak the best option to put here?

[tribal tangle]

mercy killer bad

[atomic zephyr]

oh well i can swap that

[gusty bison]

Mercy killer is fine on vet

[atomic zephyr]

buh

[gusty bison]

if you take serrated blades

Keyword

If

[late hatch]

shredder makes everyone bleed

[atomic zephyr]

yeah im taking serrated

and shredder

[timid otter]

Mercy killer is a 40% damage increase on second hit.

[tribal tangle]

wouldnt the bleedstacks still be better then

[atomic zephyr]

no because i already do bleed stacks

[gusty bison]

No. Bleed isnt that great for damage

What it does here is just proc mercy killer

[tribal tangle]

but dont crits proc off of bleed

[gusty bison]

which is good for damage

[gusty bison]

You only need 1 stac

[junior needle]

Is that before or after adjusting for the games weakspot damage calc

[timid otter]

Its after.