veteran-class

[untold mulch]

Like
4vets is All Guardsman Party
4 zealots is A-men

[celest vine]

4 psykers are dead

[untold mulch]

Fr

Is a Warp Rift

[pastel geode]

You have a point, maybe I should start working on my jumbo kriegryn again

[untold mulch]

I wish for a multilas for my Ogryn

Lad yearns to mimick the Vet

[pastel geode]

I want autocannon

[wispy hinge]

Heavy flamer would be wonderful

[pastel geode]

I would not trust an ogryn with a flamer

[untold mulch]

Same

[junior needle]

Maybe an ogryn multilas would be added with a hotshot volleygun

Seem similar enough to drop at the same time

[sharp ember]

we get shovels together

we get volleyguns together

[tiny summit]

What's the worst that could happen?

[untold mulch]

Light of the Guard update

[junior needle]

Just don't forget

[untold mulch]

I am painfully aware of that

[astral ingot]

give ogryns an orbital defense platform

[untold mulch]

Balanced

[zealous wyvern]

any shocktroop has hotshots though

which scions are but so are the others like kasrkin

[eternal sable]

is solo queue dead af for anyone else

ive been solo queueng with bots the past 30 mins

no one playing or what

spireside / oubliette auric t5

[midnight totem]

I'm at work

[eternal sable]

lol

[spice wadi]

depends what server ur on

if EU then the adults are working

[strange grove]

I'm supposed to be working, lul

[celest vine]

Fuck yeah orthus champion done

[zealous wyvern]

dont forget the many people working late shifts, nightshifts and having a day off 1/2 random day off the week including friday

also, many trades jobs and others im sure, finish work earlier on friday

so quite a lot of adults would now still be home or just got there

im also pretty sure many teenagers play darktide

[muted knot]

You're probably blocked by most of the playerbase

[zealous wyvern]

if you are crying a lot that could be

[sharp ember]

don’t worry bongoboy i don’t block people because i can’t be assed

[balmy flume]

Depends on where you are and server luck I suppose.
I know right now in UK and US is respectively middle afternoon/morning only

So most are still working away

[rancid ginkgo]

I identify with this statement

[balmy flume]

Maybe Asia side servers died out because too many rude and obnoxious tryhards screaming at people.

[rancid ginkgo]

By the Emperor s mercy another week will soon be over

[visual remnant]

arc rifle..

[balmy flume]

Ad Mech guns. We can still hope.

Even if no Ad Mech classes…

[cerulean void]

cries in when

[oblique horizon]

Sometime

[sharp ember]

please wait 500 years for the administratum to process the request

[oblique horizon]

Meanwhile you can use pewpew and weapon customization mods to mod your columnus into a hellgun

[rancid ginkgo]

Soon ™️

[dusty sluice]

worth grabbing from melk?

[cerulean void]

how many melkbucks?

I'd say yes if you don't mind a % chance of it being about as half-decent as it already is; maniac means you just have to reroll the unarmoured perk and hope you get something nice for blessing #2

[oblique horizon]

Worst case scenario youll replace both blessings with something useful and get a really good knife

[cerulean void]

I'm still rolling knives expecting them to get better but the only increase I need is 5% on maniac damage lol

[bleak bolt]

what are the best blessings for a knife

for vet anyways

[dusty sluice]

1,300k (i have 11k)

[zealous wyvern]

one day

[dusty sluice]

melk is also selling this

[bleak bolt]

one day

[cerulean void]

there's a few arguments but generally uncanny+something else

(Precognition, Ruthless Backstab, Riposte)

if you go niche knife build it's uncanny + mercy killer and the Serrated blade talent

[bleak bolt]

hellgun and replace exec stance with something like "support gunner" or whatevs

[oblique horizon]

Looks very good

[tiny summit]

SoonTM

[dusty sluice]

grab it then?

[bleak bolt]

so that guy's roll is actually pretty decent then

safe from hadron trashing it lol

cuz you can replace the UA and the second blessing if needed

[cerulean void]

safe from trashing but not safe from "eh it's OK but can do better"

it all comes down to if they have a servicable one already

[zealous wyvern]

some day maybe next week were gonna find you were gonna get you get you get you get you

[bleak bolt]

is it the perk?

[zealous wyvern]

one day

or another

[bleak bolt]

[oblique horizon]

Do you like chainaxe or knife more?

[dusty sluice]

i've used new chaxe on zealot for 170+ hrs

but not old one

[cerulean void]

kinda the perk; if the second blessing is ass you can still change the perk but bringing the preexisting III to a IV is also an option

it's a good buy

[bleak bolt]

outside of the Rashad and PS - i haven't really tried any other melee weap

[cerulean void]

the only melee I use on vet is knife so I hope I understand the weapon lol

[bleak bolt]

i did use DC back when it first came out

but instantly replaced with PS - cuz it was broke back then

[cerulean void]

now DC broke lol

[bleak bolt]

parry?

[cerulean void]

when you get the hang of it, yeah

[oblique horizon]

I mean is there even a bad melee option nowadays in vets arsenal?

[cerulean void]

dare I say it but chaxes are probably the worst pick and even those can be used if they get the right rolls

[junior needle]

Tac axes are considered pretty bad

[cerulean void]

tacaxes would be next

[sharp ember]

tac axes are mediocre in terms of horde clear and self defense

[oblique horizon]

Oh yeah tacaxes exist

My bad

[sharp ember]

give me a chainaxe and i will cook with it

great all-rounder weapon

[junior needle]

Haven’t tried it since prebuff

[cerulean void]

chainsword so hot you could fry an egg on it

[sharp ember]

tac axes ate it pretty bad ever since brutal momentum got changed

since they lack the power to kill most things in one swing

[dire olive]

and all the enemies got buffed

[junior needle]

They weren’t really used often before then either

It was all about the antax

Before the rashad finally got fixed

[oblique horizon]

And achyllis? The third one is still weird. Ive never seen anyone use it

[sharp ember]

it is indeed still the black sheep of combat axes

very narrow swing angles, but no increased damage to compensate for it

and their sideways heavy that can only be used from neutral

that doesn’t have any innate cleave

[short wigeon]

i find my mk 7 tac axe works just fine with the changes to brutal momentum

[junior needle]

All the tac axes got the goofy ahh inconsistent swings on the lights

[strange grove]

whats the tightest brauto in game? think distance

[short wigeon]

Can’t say I know what you mean by inconsistent. Are the hits not feeling like they land or does the pattern just not jive well with you?

[junior needle]

Swing pattern, I feel like I’ve got clown shoes on and a honking nose swinging a weapon around like that

[simple kestrel]

whats the quickest way to do the 'Make every shot count' penance

been trying since 3 days

[junior needle]

Shooting into bosses shields in the special mission

[simple kestrel]

hm

i cant find any players tho

like literally never

need someone to help me out

[junior needle]

What region are you playing in

It’s still quite active in NA

[simple kestrel]

central and southern asia one

matchmaking server location

i can play on na but it lags a bit

[junior needle]

Graia braced would probably have the best overall distance performance due to the spread inversing after so long

Agri can burst pretty accurately up to midrange

[strange grove]

yea im playing around in the meat grinder, agri seems better for closer range

[hollow ibex]

nah agri is prob the best braced if you need to shoot things at long range

[strange grove]

but with short controlled bursts you can really snipe with the graia out to 30 yards or more

[hollow ibex]

you can do that with the agri, but even better

since each shot has more damage, you only need 2-3 shots against a lot of specialists

not to mention the stagger

[junior needle]

Depends on if you're trying to tapfire the graia

Which is better as you hold down the button

[strange grove]

i see what you mean, the agri seems to kill snipers easier

ill try sniping ragers

ok im liking the agri, the stagger made this rager dance, couldnt even run up to me

[sharp ember]

agri stagger is huge

basically double of what columnus does

[strange grove]

yea time to farm up a nice agri brauto, hadron be kind

lol 1mil ordo only got one 380

Oh I can so make this work

[balmy flume]

Finally only 10 investigation missions left lol

[rain badger]

"oh sweet, a new axe...."

TRASH

[shadow aurora]

You will get block eff and sprint eff and you will like it

[rain badger]

If I could switch mobility and penetration id buy and upgrade in an instant hoping perk 2 and blessing 2 are good

[shadow aurora]

If only

[trim breach]

this one worth getting?

[rain badger]

IF you get a good second blessing, then you can reroll both perks. Otherwise no

[junior needle]

I wouldnt spend melkbux risking that

[trim breach]

what about the hellbore

[rain badger]

FF IV is 10% per stack, so you arent losing out on too much damage from the IV blessing

[junior needle]

Na, damage dumped and 3/4 scuffed

[rain badger]

Rule of thumb is melk is trash

[trim breach]

ooh robo boi is selling this instead

[rain badger]

very rarely does melk have something good to buy, sitting on almost 50k melk bux

[eternal sable]

https://tenor.com/view/kitten-cat-cute-milk-bowl-gif-5068068

[rain badger]

[shadow aurora]

Why is he doing that is he stupid?

[strange grove]

Most cats are inbred lol

[eternal sable]

dont be mean to kitty

slow not stupid :3

[shadow aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/dame-da-ne-guy-john-yakuza-yakuza-yakuza-kiwami-2-kiryu-gif-10174494784702734779

[zealous wyvern]

what gun are you using, what missions are you doing, are you magdumping anything, what difficulty are you playing on, what aura are you using?

[dusty sluice]

this is what i got

[zealous wyvern]

magdump as in empty your entire mag as much as possible into one target

[simple kestrel]

using revolver, doing the special assignment, only mag dumping in hordes, heresy difficulty and using the dmg boost aura

dude it seems impossible

literally on my 14th try

[zealous wyvern]

why would you do special assignment

[simple kestrel]

cuz idk its short

[zealous wyvern]

thats not good

you want a LONG mission

[dusty sluice]

suggestions?

[simple kestrel]

and i cant even find any players man

[zealous wyvern]

no idea i dont play knife

[simple kestrel]

none

[zealous wyvern]

east asia matching is tough

[simple kestrel]

matchmaking in central & south asia dosent work

[zealous wyvern]

australian?

or actually in asia

[simple kestrel]

indian

[zealous wyvern]

ah

[simple kestrel]

yeah

asia

[slow spade]

Most vets don't use knife. I recommend the Zealot chat

[zealous wyvern]

yeah im not sure if you even get matched with people elsewhere then

[junior needle]

Choose riposte or precog and switch the other for uncanny, then modify the perks to your liking. I recommend changing one to flak.

[zealous wyvern]

now revolver isnt a bad choice but the best choice imo is plasma by far

[slow spade]

I'm a lvl 418 Vet and I have no clue how to even start with a knife lol

[simple kestrel]

plasma?

[zealous wyvern]

plasma charged shots use a TON of ammo

[simple kestrel]

ah

[zealous wyvern]

your goal is to maximise ammo use per shot

and maximise ease of aiming which plasma is amazing at because its projectile is like 2 meters wide

[slow spade]

Plasma charged shots have like 100 cleave and use 9 ammo per shot while also being hitscan

[zealous wyvern]

yeah

its amazing

[simple kestrel]

yeah makes sense

[slow spade]

Accuracy is a non-issue

[zealous wyvern]

you shoot like

20 times

and youre out of ammo

you can hit 20 shots right?

[timber ivy]

Fuck you were so right

[simple kestrel]

yep

[zealous wyvern]

especially with massive cleave

[dusty sluice]

i use precog on psyker, what would be best for vet?

[zealous wyvern]

i wish you luck finding players

[shadow aurora]

Cowboy revolver is pretty good. Got it first try with it

[simple kestrel]

ye thx lol gonna need it

[zealous wyvern]

also little tip, anything "blue" doesnt count as a shot

[slow spade]

Plasma is also very effective too so you'll definitely hurt whatever you hit

[simple kestrel]

oh what fr?

[zealous wyvern]

like an assassination boss shield

youre not "hitting" anything

[simple kestrel]

so do i like just shoot into hordes

[zealous wyvern]

hordes, plague ogryns

beast of nurgle

specials

reapers

[simple kestrel]

hm

[zealous wyvern]

just make sure whatever youre shooting isnt gonna be erased by your team

my favourite was beast of nurgle

[junior needle]

I like riposte a bit better but that's just me, I can't speak for objective performance comparison as I haven't done any. You'll probably get more one taps while clearing out of precog.

[zealous wyvern]

its slow, predictable

you cant really miss that

[slow spade]

Kill team first clearly UwU

[zealous wyvern]

horde work too

[simple kestrel]

hmm

[zealous wyvern]

i got it try 3 i think because i queued malice twice before

[simple kestrel]

alright thanks man i'll try that the next time i play

[zealous wyvern]

make sure to go melee build btw

so youre not deadweight and lose the mission

you need to WIN to get it after all

[simple kestrel]

yeah

[zealous wyvern]

and in mission select, make sure to leave if a vet has ammo aura

[simple kestrel]

would u be able to help?

[zealous wyvern]

im in europe

[slow spade]

I went with ping keystone instead of Weapon Specialist because you have to kill with ranged weapon to get Weapon Specialist

[zealous wyvern]

our connection would be bad

[simple kestrel]

idm playing in eu servers

[zealous wyvern]

oh is it not bad?

[simple kestrel]

might lag a bit but oh well

u host

[zealous wyvern]

i dont really mind helping but honestly this isnt up to the team much

this is pretty much up to you

i cant really help you hit shots

[simple kestrel]

yeah nah i just need like a good distraction

[zealous wyvern]

the best thing i can do is not krak grenade the boss

[slow spade]

Brb 3 ammo vets coming right up UwU

[simple kestrel]

so im not under pressure while shooting

[zealous wyvern]

i guess i could go my seargant

melee shouty

lets try it then but dont blame me if i end up shooting something you had your sights on

since i cant really help that

[simple kestrel]

lol yeah dw

lmk when ur playing

[zealous wyvern]

ill play now

[simple kestrel]

oh okay wait

[wise fossil]

Does the disconnect & reconnect still work? Worth looking it up

[simple kestrel]

lemme login

[timber ivy]

Is there a way to tell at a glance in inventory what the difference between weapon marks are, or do you just have to take them to the meat grinder and try them out or consult wikis.

And if it is the latter, could someone tell me the difference between hellbore marks offhand?

[simple kestrel]

okay ill look into it

[zealous wyvern]

might work tbh but i always found this kind of risky. what if you load in at the end and there are no enemies

[wise fossil]

1 is medium, 2 is fast, 3 is slow and has a different bayonet

[zealous wyvern]

that was more a thing when the ammo aura was mandatory

[crisp oak]

3 is bad

[timber ivy]

All the same damage? Cause 2 sounds like the best if that's the case

[wise fossil]

Well it only works if you're in VC anyway so just ask people to block for a bit

[crisp oak]

Different damages

[timber ivy]

Enough to matter?

[crisp oak]

Depends on build

[wise fossil]

Yeah should have been more clear: faster but lower damage per shot

[crisp oak]

When built, and optimizesld

2 oneshots all other than crushers to the head

[wise fossil]

Gotta check your breakpoints. Super important for Helbore

[crisp oak]

1 doesnt need that much investment for that

1 also works better with surgical and ammo skill

Basically never use ammo

1/2 is personal preference

Im a 1 guy myself

[tiny summit]

Lmao

[crude fiber]

3 is for silly boss damage and potential crusher 1 shots on a min/max build

[crisp oak]

But bad bayonet so 0/10

[tiny summit]

2 is my fave atm. Gonna build a mk3 and upload some vids

[crisp oak]

Btw has anyone used infernus on them?

[crude fiber]

Haven't tried the 2, guess I'll dump 2 trillion dockets into getting an ok one and try it out

[wise fossil]

I suppose 2 would be the best for Infernus 🤔

[timber ivy]

kk, I kinda just grabbed a mk3 I had sitting around to try them out. Blessings are transferrable between marks of the same weapon right? Cause I might try to roll a decent mk2 if I can slap this crit mod from my 3 on it.

[tiny summit]

Yea. Dont

[crisp oak]

The surgical doesnt go on the mk2 though

[crude fiber]

Infernous damage is inconsequential compared to just dumping more charged shots into whatever your shooting

[crisp oak]

Fair

[timber ivy]

tragic

[tiny summit]

Mk2 is nice because with good enough charge rate, it gets away w/o having onslaught

[tiny summit]

Uh yea it does

[crisp oak]

Mk2 charges too fast to get the best results I thought

Especially with onslaught

[strange grove]

helbores are poop, the game makes you fondle them before you can fire

[crisp oak]

I like to stunlock ragers and maulers though

[tiny summit]

You don't have many other blessings. With surgical 4, the time between charge and lining up shots you're getting at minimum 1-2 stacks which is 10-20% crit chance

[crisp oak]

Ah I see

[wise fossil]

I know brutal momentum on Ogryn shovel transfers to his gun, I guess the same applies to the bayonet? Never tried

[tiny summit]

Yes

[crisp oak]

Yes

[wise fossil]

Cool

[crisp oak]

[tiny summit]

Used to have limbsplitter too but Fatshark deemed that too silly

[crisp oak]

Still am annoyed with hellbores from a lore perspective

But the bayonet is so addictive

[wise fossil]

So power sword or Rashad it is

[tiny summit]

Not even counting infernus dmg being kinda eh, it doesn't really work on helbore since even mk2 hits hard enough that the infernus will take far longer to be meaningful over just another tap fire.

[wise fossil]

Yeah the main purpose of Infernus on other weapons is to tick up dumdum anyway

[tiny summit]

Charge didn't kill? Likely a tap fire followup on anything below rager will

[crisp oak]

My question is what blessings other than onslaught/surgical do you run then

Ragers get the bayo

Maulers get the bayo

[tiny summit]

Not much. No respite is funny because the bayonet benefits if the enemy is staggered. Falter is funny because you can make maulers come at a dead stop. Sustained fire could be good if you pace shots and occasionally get some more power

[crisp oak]

I see

[cerulean void]

sorry, I was in a game

not bad, not great
performs, but there's better combos

uncanny is a pretty much near-required blessing if you're using mkIII tho

[crisp oak]

If only the bayonet set off infernus

(Ie infernus worked on all shots at rank 4 or smthn)

[tiny summit]

You just can't go wrong with onslaught/surgical on all of them. Mk2 just has the charge rate to get away w/o having onslaught. I have a mk2 with surgical/falter. I like it. Onslaught doesn't feel meaningful. May build a mk2 with surgical/sustained

[crisp oak]

Surgical sustained sounds nice

But I sorta just drop the hellbore into my build so mk1 is my go to

(Especially because Im still grinding blessings)

[cerulean void]

I find Falter/stagger blessings on guns aren't the best if they're making their weakspot bounce like a mutie ragdoll

[keen wolf]

Hey guys. What should I change on this?

I'm really new to Helbores

[cerulean void]

Infernus -> anything else lol

[eternal sable]

dont use the helbore

[tiny summit]

Infernus to surgical, flak to like maniac or unarmored

[eternal sable]

omg its happening again

the helbore discussion

[tiny summit]

Flak dmg on helbore is only notable against flak ragers and mauler bodies

[keen wolf]

The helbore discussion isn't happening again. Some noob is just asking what to swap out, lol

<--- some noob

[eternal sable]

thats a mk 1 helbore

and someone suggested you swap out flak

classic discord

[tiny summit]

Unless you want to ensure uncharged dmg to all standard riflemen

[slow spade]

Flak bad, unarmored damage good 💪

[crisp oak]

I think mk1 oneshots most maniacs

[slender turtle]

When's the mk 4 helbore

[tiny summit]

Flak is very meh as even a mk2 w/o flak can charge 1 tap a scab gunner. All of them can charge 1 tap all riflemen

[slow spade]

When Brunt learns how to duct tape 2 MK2 helbores together

[keen wolf]

Maybe I swap Flak foooor... Unyielding then?

[slender turtle]

or just turns it into a fucking musket

[crisp oak]

Elites maybe...

[tiny summit]

You could. Flak on helbores truly is only meaningful against scab ragers or mauler bodies.

[slow spade]

"Archeotech helbore" -> musket with a flashlight

[crisp oak]

And scab ragers get the bayo

[keen wolf]

Bayonnaise

[crisp oak]

Elites allows some breakpoint I think

But I also dont remember what the breakpoints were (mk1 was sorta lenient with them)

[civic knot]

Best guns to use for this talent tree setup and to pair with knife as melee weapon?

[cerulean void]

pretty much anything

[crisp oak]

Fast swap speed, could run the meme volver knife

[cerulean void]

CIAG, brautos

memevolver

[civic knot]

No but like which gun complements the knife more

[keen wolf]

one more question for you guys. I have a tier 3 Ghost blessing. Which blessing should I replace with it?

[slow spade]

Bolter UwU

[eternal sable]

please take supression immunity

left tree top

[civic knot]

No. You can just mount you gun instead and u have it

[eternal sable]

when you get supressed while helping a teammate from a net and lose

[cerulean void]

knife (assuming you're using MkIII) is incredibly single-target focused so taking anything that can deal with hordes or densely packed enemies is good

[eternal sable]

you will regret not taking it

[cerulean void]

helbore, plasma, IAG, brauto, revolver

[civic knot]

word

[crisp oak]

Hellbore has slow swap speed so no

[cerulean void]

yeah but they're on weapon specialist

[civic knot]

although knife's horde capability is way better with the attack speed i believe

[crude fiber]

Does weapon specialist boost swap speed?

[tiny summit]

That's why you don't swap from helbore

[crisp oak]

Not really

[slow spade]

Maybe YOU would, I'm built different 💪💪💪

[civic knot]

Like... is knife 6 really that much better for hordes than 3?

[cerulean void]

yes

[tiny summit]

I can go like 80% of a match with the helbore out. Only really swapping out for pushing pox bursters or because I want to use melee

[cerulean void]

its heavy combos are all vanguard wide swings with H3 being the strikedown

[crisp oak]

I mean same, but dude asked for a gun to use with their knife

[slender turtle]

No... no don't do it

[civic knot]

generally, will knife 6 outperform 3?

[slender turtle]

[civic knot]

i suppose it depends what i use em for

[cerulean void]

MkIII is single target anti-armor removal

[tiny summit]

No suppression immunity needed. My aim will get them eventually

[civic knot]

xd

[terse idol]

Its "better" but not a great horde option

[tiny summit]

Ah

[cerulean void]

MkVI is the same but with the benefit of being more widely applicable for hordes

[slow spade]

Bring a 535 plasma and 550 power sword into a Sedition match UwU

[slender turtle]

Not even 600

[slow spade]

Blame Hadron

[cerulean void]

TBH VI is more for hordes simply because putting any amount of bleed on it will make it beg for mercy killer

I run VI because I like the H1 slash

[hardy ember]

Hellguns on the way?

[tiny summit]

Play lower levels with vape nade build

[slender turtle]

Sedition is for the mentally insane @grizzled pebble

[terse idol]

Well rumor

[cerulean void]

Maybe (TM) Soon(TM)

[terse idol]

We dont know annnnything

Not even a teaser

[hardy ember]

Recon lasguns are just not keeping up no more

Need some proper firepower

[keen wolf]

what to do with this?

[crisp oak]

Shoot it

[cerulean void]

yeah sadly they overnerfed recons into the dirt

[keen wolf]

[civic knot]

What are the best anti horde guns to deal with lots of enemies while still being ammo efficient?

[cerulean void]

Brautos and IAGs

[terse idol]

Glory hunter to cavalade

[civic knot]

hm

[hardy ember]

The recon las is the closest thing we have to a hellgun. And yeah they nerfed it too much. I much prefer to use lasguns over auto guns. But the Collumnus mark 5 is just better in every way

[keen wolf]

is pinning fire good on bolter?

[terse idol]

Groaners to... unyielding or carapace?

[cerulean void]

mainly a few select BRautos that can run the Collateral stat

IMO they need to give all the heaviest pattern lasguns cleave

[crisp oak]

They need to make ogryn not eat shots

[terse idol]

I don't know that much unfortunately could be worth a test

[crisp oak]

Scabs can shoot through their friends why cant we

[tiny summit]

You can. Agri brauto go brrr

[crisp oak]

Helbore cant

[tiny summit]

This hotel wifi doesn't support darktide

[cerulean void]

it's just... absurd to me that KanXII AccaVIIa don't get cleave like Helbore III does

it'd certainly make them more attractive picks

[cerulean void]

complain to the front desk that you cannae serve the emprah under these conditions

[civic knot]

Does knife want 10% more damage node?

[cerulean void]

perk? no that's a waste

[terse idol]

Hmm, you can't charge a shot through them?

Your friends that is

[civic knot]

no, talent

[cerulean void]

... what talent?

[slow spade]

Its literally "+10% melee damage"

[terse idol]

There's 10% melee damage nodes around the tree

[slow spade]

Right tree near top iirc

[strange grove]

only 1

[balmy flume]

Yo servers acting up for anyone?

[strange grove]

one 10 and one 5

[terse idol]

[slow spade]

The +10% damage melee node is great for axes

[cerulean void]

I mean, if it's on the way to whatever you're building, yeah grab it?

[slow spade]

Idk for knife

[cerulean void]

I never pay attention to modifier nodes lol

[slow spade]

Some are pretty good

Like the -0.25 stamina delay ones

[cerulean void]

well, yeah, I never go without those two

too many days playing Psyker

[slow spade]

Funny deadshot with 0.5s delay on stam UwU

[cerulean void]

I don't really pay attention to the ones in the middle of the trees cause I figure those are just ones that are either

you can grab them easily as part of a build

or you dont

[slow spade]

Yeah the middle tree ones are pretty shit

"+10% toughness regen in coherency"

Bruh

[cerulean void]

like the aforementioned 10% damage boost?

I never saw it cause this is my usual

[terse idol]

There a few toughness DR that are decent

Woorth taking a look

[slow spade]

That implies damage taken

Simply turn invisible 💪

[cerulean void]

oh my toughness broke? better buff the team and get it back lol

luv me On Overwatch

[cerulean void]

(bottom half of that tree if anyone's curious, MkVI uncanny+mercy killer with whatever the hel gun I feel like using)

[terse idol]

Not using a keystone

[cerulean void]

today's an Ia ILG so

TBH I've loved the keystones but sometimes it doesn't weigh out against the other nodes for me

... cept focus target, that thing's cracked

[terse idol]

I'm still not convinced about the other node argument now but thats fair

[formal rock]

Vet tree is weird, it's absolutely filled with super useful normal talents all over the place, and the marksman/vet keystone alter the gameplay flow enough that you may be better served ignoring them entirely depending on your playstyle. Vet's the one class I think is totally viable to run a non-keystone build.

[cerulean void]

I think vet's still in a spot where the keystones are good n all but you have so many other options for using 2-4 talent points that by the time you get to them it's really just about how you want your kit to work

[keen wolf]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1031336732332924961/1200488553516368032/image.png?ex=65c65d17&is=65b3e817&hm=4ddc8149e4a1e88e5d76f01727feb130e5483d8c6dc551e7c03cf110ccbae8aa& completed. Look OK?

My first bolter (bar the one I immediately scrapped for a blessing.)

[dreamy lantern]

i mean, its viable to run with like 10 talents, but as far as actually worth picking the keystones on vet are massive, nothing else provides anything close to what they do

[cerulean void]

correct, they do be meaty

[junior needle]

I’d take multiple other class keystones over the vet ones

If I had the option

[cerulean void]

if I could swap Marksman's Focus for Disrupt Destiny?

[keen wolf]

I like weapon swap

[crisp oak]

I like toughness regen on tagged

[junior needle]

Lucky boolet and the zealot crit one especially

[wise fossil]

well Hadron decided to give me Mercy Killer on a knife so I guess I'm trying out the serrated blade synergy now

[dreamy lantern]

considering the buffs are free headshot damage, free team damage, or free guaranteed crits and attack speed, i'm pretty content with em

[junior needle]

Momentum is nice too

[dreamy lantern]

lucky bullet is bad tho

[cerulean void]

swap that crit chance to +maniac

[junior needle]

I’d rather take it than have to do a song and dance for my bonuses

[keen wolf]

Thing is, I tag a lot. I generally spam tag out of habit. So I lose a lot of value from gold tag

[junior needle]

But it could use a buff, I agree

Mechanically it’s much more enticing

[dreamy lantern]

what song and dance lmao

click heads

tag things

kill stuff

[terse idol]

MF being the weaker end, but I wouldn't give up either focus target or weapon spec

[junior needle]

I know you know what I’m talking about

[formal rock]

All of the keystones in the other classes just give bonuses for doing actions you're probably already doing anyway. Marksman/melee keystones are odd in that it forces you to avoid doing certain normal actions (such as, like, walking around, or swapping weapons to get sprint speed lmao) to even obtain a bonus from them. That's why I consider them "optional"

[dreamy lantern]

i literally do not know

[wise fossil]

why

[cerulean void]

cause you want to 2tap maniacs with H1+push attack

[junior needle]

Weren’t you the guy who lied to me about recons post patch 14

[dreamy lantern]

you can walk if u land headshots, the no movement on marksman is like, nothing

[junior needle]

[terse idol]

Focus target is already the case of you're gonna tag things

Weapon spec is

Swap your gun once to gurantee a crit and to gurantee melee damage

[wise fossil]

that's only a thing on mutants

[terse idol]

MF is in a weird spot rn

For things that aren't an automatic weapon

[untold mulch]

MF is poorly designed and I will die on this hill

[terse idol]

Otherwise just take a ciag and get instant buffs

[terse idol]

I talked to plush about it but dang, I do kinda wished FS gave us the original iteration sometimes

Where it was more weapon focused

[dreamy lantern]

no, i said they didn't nerf em they just reversed the fall off

which ye, with how brittleness works they still hit the same adm into all bar like, one catagory i think?

[untold mulch]

Perhaps

[terse idol]

Because things like MF where you'd think "oh this is good on slower weapon"

Its not

[cerulean void]

I run an overwatch-styled build with knife so saving the lads from muties that much quicker is nice, as is stabbing ragers in the back for the aforementioned

[wise fossil]

like I'm looking now and it's only a thing for mutants

[untold mulch]

Tbf, I think all the playtesters were blindsided by Fatshark being idiots and pushing a change that they didnt test

[cerulean void]

remember, knife gets a +25% damage bonus from behind

[terse idol]

Exe "oh good on slower weap-" no exe has been power crept because it's design is based around the old concept

[untold mulch]

Is very much designed on a a vacuum without much practice behind

[cerulean void]

it's sad, I really want to make MF work with the KanXII but it's literally the worst pick for the gun

[terse idol]

Wh

Eh

Its not the worst

[cerulean void]

the other two keystones are just better for it

[terse idol]

You could pick the revolver for MF

[terse idol]

Uh

I disagree

[untold mulch]

Tag is better in every way because is a chonky damage boost to everyone at every hit location

[terse idol]

Weapon spec is worse for the mxii

[junior needle]

They were nerfed very substantially with the changes to make double rending much harder to get, the crit string reductions, and the shock trooper gutting.

[untold mulch]

Crit nerf
Shocktrooper nerf
Flak nerf

[dreamy lantern]

the rending didn't stack cause both talents were brittleness, which maxes at 16 stacks anyway

[untold mulch]

Gotta hit the triple wombo

[junior needle]

I'm talking about rending strikes and the former crit talent, not onslaught and the former crit talent

[terse idol]

2 talents with brittle don't stack?

[dreamy lantern]

they were both brittle but mislabled

(usual fs hijinks)

[untold mulch]

Exploit weakness being melee only out of nowhere with no mention anywhere

[junior needle]

Rending strikes, the passive rending talent, was brittleness?

[terse idol]

Woops

Bugs

Or didn't get caught

[junior needle]

Despite supposedly not applying a debuff to enemies?

[dreamy lantern]

oh the single 10% rending one aswell

u mentioned the crit one

[untold mulch]

Nah it got a tooltip change

Intentional

[dreamy lantern]

which was brittleness with onslaught

[junior needle]

Yes, I know that. The best setup used to be the crit one and rending strikes for point efficiency. It was much more point intensive to take onslaught.

[formal rock]

Y'all gotta realise, I'm an Ogryn main, and our keystone conditions are literally "spam heavy attacks," "don't take too much health damage," and "make sure you hit something when you magdump your heavy stubber."
MF requiring you to hit headshots to not lose stacks, Focus Target incentivizing you to space your callouts more mindfully to maximise their effect, and WepSpec needing you to constantly weave in/out of melee/ranged to maintain buffs... They feel like juggling ice cubes in comparison, lmao.

[untold mulch]

Then shocktrooper nerf juat killed the gun

[junior needle]

Even the water gun that is the mk2 got its damage nerfed by the crit string changes, and the modifier adjustment did essentially nothing.

[dreamy lantern]

shocktrooper let you shoot longer ye, but it still did piss all dps

[cerulean void]

even the most juggle heavy psyker keystone (Disrupt Destiny) is just "shoot the glowy head"

[dreamy lantern]

the gun needs a complete overhaul at somepoint ala crusher, cause atm its just bad

[untold mulch]

At least let you have ammo economy

Like if it were a peashooter

But with basically no ammo requierements

At least I would not look badly at Recon users

[junior needle]

It would at least have SOMETHING going for it

Now it's indefinitely stuck in dumpster tier

[civic knot]

Its bad game design that you 'need' a survivalist vet if you wanna do well with non melee built teammates? am i right or wrong, and why?

[junior needle]

While stronger guns are allowed to prosper for multiple patches

[untold mulch]

Gonnq fix trust

Ignore they ignored it for a year

[untold mulch]

At this rate I am for saying the rest of auras getting a worse scavenger

Thst or they fix ammo interactions

[civic knot]

I am in favor of the first suggestion

[wise fossil]

I think I'll try this for mercy killer knife 🤔

[cerulean void]

I run the other two auras because I want my teammates to get used to vets without scav crutch

[terse idol]

Just dont take survivalist

😌

[junior needle]

Simple fix, make auras and abilities selectable outside the tree

Just have a slot where you choose

[wise fossil]

It's a "team support" build 😂

Support by handing out lead

[terse idol]

team support
weapon spec

[civic knot]

is onslaught a must for agripiina autogun?

[untold mulch]

I dont use it

Shoot slow enough that imo is not worth the points

[wise fossil]

Onslaught is very good on any fast firing weapon

[junior needle]

It helps with the poor flak modifier

Onslaught is generally a good pickup on any automatic

[civic knot]

question tho... run onslaught or long shot and elite damage? thats my dilemma

nvm i can run both

not if want iron will tho....

so if u had to choose one, what would it be?

[untold mulch]

Iron will is love

[terse idol]

All

[untold mulch]

Get gunner curio

Become immune tk bullets

[terse idol]

Depending on your tree you can run all of them

[wise fossil]

What smudgels said

[civic knot]

This instead of elite dmg?

[keen wolf]

Running a knife with no 30% weakspot node seems rough

[terse idol]

I have long shot, weak point damage, elite damage, iron will (not onslaught because Ii run slow firing weapon)

[wise fossil]

Yeah that was the biggest thing to give up for sure

[civic knot]

which weapon

[wise fossil]

But the extra finesse on the right tree helps

[finite imp]

i wanna make a good headhunter

wat do

[terse idol]

Infantry lasgun 😌

[civic knot]

with shout?

[terse idol]

No exe and mf

I mean I'd be better if I just ran

Voc and Focus target

[untold mulch]

Insanity

🗿

[terse idol]

[civic knot]

is running knife 3 with plasma a bad choice?

[finite imp]

melk is laughing at me

i want that blessing

[terse idol]

Yeah

You already have elite/special killing

You need horde clear imo

Or a defensive option

[civic knot]

well whats a good horde gun that doesnt want onslaught?

[terse idol]

Ciag

😌

[untold mulch]

Bruh

[barren cave]

columnus

[finite imp]

Ciag always

[barren cave]

you dont need onslaught for horde clear though

[finite imp]

Ciag to the moon

[untold mulch]

Why would you jot want onslaught on ciag?

Am I missing smth

[terse idol]

Uh you can get by without it
No you're not missing anything

[civic knot]

This is for knife 3 melee vet. What primary

[soft blade]

it’s good but if your melee is already built for dropping armor it’s not needed tbh

[untold mulch]

Hmmm

[civic knot]

or what gun i mean

[terse idol]

Knife AND weapon spec.... hmmm

Revolver

[civic knot]

super funni knife zeal-- veteran i mean

[untold mulch]

Homie packing light

[civic knot]

cant deal with hordes tho, no?

[soft blade]

ciag or some other gun for horde clearing

[terse idol]

[civic knot]

neither can knife 3

[terse idol]

Yeah

[soft blade]

generally IAG

[strange grove]

ive been having fun playing a Zealeron, PS6 with cycler 4 and sunder ftw

[soft blade]

you can get away with some funkier options but generally IAG is gonna just be the objective best

[untold mulch]

I find funny using guns for horde clear

Feels wrong

[soft blade]

knife vet is just quirky like that

[terse idol]

Weapon pec works fir slow firing weapons

[hollow ibex]

waste of holy munitions

[tiny summit]

I have ammo. Why not?

[untold mulch]

Fair

[tiny summit]

It is delivering righteous mercy to those who have lost their way

[untold mulch]

And MF works for fast firing ones

[civic knot]

Are shotguns good for that? lol i might actually unironically run lawbringer for this:

[soft blade]

yeah shotguns not bad with knife

[civic knot]

argi shottie best vs horde or LB?

[untold mulch]

One if them has a line shot special

Though I heard it needs oomph

[wise fossil]

Just melee with knife and use frags

[brisk sapphire]

kant

[tiny summit]

Gotta vape pill vet chat. All plasma users join me in vent purging the hive

[civic knot]

Tru tbh

[wise fossil]

Frags are great and knife is fine at hoard. Not great but definitely not unusable

[soft blade]

true

you can stall pretty much infinitely

with shredders you can actually do some work

ehhhhhh

[civic knot]

is knife alone enough for ogryns?

[soft blade]

oh

yeah

[wise fossil]

Bleed from shredders gets better with uncanny stacks too

[civic knot]

paired with shreds

[tiny summit]

You can tear ogryns up with knife

[civic knot]

hmm

[soft blade]

knife is great for elite killing

[wise fossil]

Knife is great vs crushers

[civic knot]

is shredders enough to deal with hordes?

[hollow ibex]

Ogryn knife is very different from shouty knife

[soft blade]

probably

[brisk sapphire]

think they meant for ogryn enemies lol

[soft blade]

just throw lights and lob a nade when you get a chance with hordes

it’s not perfect

but it’ll be passable

knife has insane mobility with wep spec so back dodging to underhand a shredder will probably do well enough

plus bleed benefits from uncanny strikes iirc

[civic knot]

Run cara dmg? @soft blade @wise fossil

[soft blade]

cara is better than maniac

i don’t remember the optimal perks but generally you’ll wanna drop ragers with your gun

[civic knot]

OK

[terse idol]

[celest vine]

I LOVE weird builds

[wise fossil]

Honestly crit chance is great with either knife

[celest vine]

Strangeness in gaming is fun

[lyric dock]

Same.

[eternal sable]

bricked knife gg

[junior needle]

Wouldn't recommend crit chance as a perk on the knoife unless you're doing stealth zealot

[eternal sable]

knife without a bleed blessing is losing most its damage

best to salvage precog and go again

[junior needle]

True true, you need flesh tearer/lacerate or it's a bad knife

[lyric dock]

I use my knife for mobility

[eternal sable]

actually true

[lyric dock]

All other melee needs is handle with a Bayonete

[civic knot]

what u suggest? flesh tearer + uncanny?

[eternal sable]

flesh tearer is bis on zealot but its decent on vet

either + uncanny

[civic knot]

Precog is amazing for vet, no?

[eternal sable]

not at all man

[junior needle]

For a not meme-ing response, I can’t recommend flesh tearer on vet even with max critfishing

[eternal sable]

yeah..

[civic knot]

then what to run?

[eternal sable]

id go lacerate + uncanny tbh

vet has low crit and even with 5% perk its still low

[junior needle]

For a not meme-ing response, don’t use lacerate

[eternal sable]

zealot has insane crit and chastise

[lyric dock]

My current Vet's knife (Mostly mobility) and Hellsbore MK 2

[eternal sable]

i can totally respect the double bleed

[junior needle]

oh muh god

It's him

[eternal sable]

i have double bleed too on vet its fun to mess with

[bitter turtle]

i'd run an IAG

and drop 1 pt to pick up onslaught

with columnus

and switch to shredder frags

[junior needle]

(Please do not run lacerate, it's a trap blessing since knives do dick damage on body shots)

[lyric dock]

My knife is rarely used on my build

[junior needle]

Take off the crit damage too

[bitter turtle]

also pls dont run a fucking bleed knife

[junior needle]

Crit/weakspot damage perks are big shit

[eternal sable]

oh god

[junior needle]

Due to how the stats are calculated in this game

[eternal sable]

here come the non bleed knife taking vet players

straight from their malice games

[bitter turtle]

bleed knife is only good in malice because it doesnt do damage

[thick needle]

You guys think swapping 8% Elite for 25% Maniac would be worth for a Bolter

[wise fossil]

Do not listen to him lol. The knife you posted is very good. Precog is excellent

[eternal sable]

lol

[junior needle]

I literally play flesh tearer/uncanny stealth knife zealot in aurics exclusively now

[eternal sable]

precognition is dogshit

[wise fossil]

Though I agree flesh tearer is good

[bitter turtle]

i wonder

what would i rather run

a mediocre dot

or

60% finesse damage 🤔

[soft blade]

[eternal sable]

lol

[soft blade]

difficult decisions truly

[eternal sable]

inspect your knife and look at your finesse damage bonus

LOL

[junior needle]

It's pretty big

[eternal sable]

no where near enough to offset a bleed blessing :3

[junior needle]

Being able to one hit chaffe enemies in the head is much better for clear

[civic knot]

Just play zealot

We know u wanna be one 😉

[bitter turtle]

being able to 2/3 shot crushers is better thanw atching them bleed to death slowly

lol

[junior needle]

I literally do

[thick needle]

Knives are puny
If I want to spam m1 at weakspots, that's what the Mk IV Chainaxe is for

[junior needle]

I said so in my message

[eternal sable]

yeah who tf uses knife on vet

[civic knot]

ah yikes thought u said u were a vet with that whoopsies

[eternal sable]

zealot is the only way

with chastise ofc

imagine playing knife with stealth

[junior needle]

STEALTH
THROWING KNIVES
LONER AURA

[civic knot]

i meeaaan attack speed is crazy with weapon spec

[bitter turtle]

he plays bleed knife

not even zealots run flesh lac

[junior needle]

LINKIN PARK PLAYING IN THE BACKGROUND

[civic knot]

🤢 🤮

knife zealot brain rot alert

[wise fossil]

Throwing knives are pretty great ngl

[crude ermine]

What's wrong with that dog

[wise fossil]

Even though i'm very bad at throwing them

[bitter turtle]

hitting a sniper like 30m away with a throwing knife makes you feel pretty mlg

not gonna lie

[eternal sable]

next thing people are going to start telling each other pregoc + smackdown is gg

[junior needle]

Too much risk for the reward imo, I just chuck them at muties and naked ragers

[soft blade]

lupus

[thick needle]

What perks should I run on Bolter besides Flak

[earnest lotus]

https://tenor.com/view/tts-exterminatus-inquisitor-headsmash-gif-20422853

[eternal sable]

some poor dude is going to have precog + bleed blessing on his knife, come into this discord and ask for advice and roll the bleed off

[lyric dock]

+Carapace or +Unyielding can work

[eternal sable]

thats actually the classic

[wise fossil]

Idk breakpoints for bolter but unarmored for gunners, unyielding for bosses/reapers, maniac also good

[thick needle]

I've been debating Maniac because Ragers and Flamers being able to survive head taps is annoying

[junior needle]

Every word you say drives me closer to the EDGE

[thick needle]

But also the Psykarium makes weapon testing a fucking pain

And I don't wanna bother with mods

[civic knot]

lmfao

[lyric dock]

Maniac is decent pick as well if Dreg rager packs are constantly chewing you up

[thick needle]

Tbh it's mostly no one shooting the damn flamers

[crude ermine]

WAKING THE FLAMES

[thick needle]

The ragers I can just hipfire lmao

[civic knot]

Its true tho, zealot + knife makes most people play moronic unfortunately. Its hilarious and triggering to see how they run ahead thinking they're the man and just getting trapper trapped, gunner trapped, fire trapped, hound trapped, mutant trapped into fire, etc.

[thick wolf]

Are there reasons one would use the combat blade as vet instead of zealot

[thick needle]

Suicidal urges

[civic knot]

i think so yeah, its kinda cool with weapon specialist

[thick wolf]

Other than trying not to larp as a knife zealot by accident

[soft blade]

weapon specialist

[lyric dock]

I generally use mine for fast movement speed and the usual things with melee quick blocking damage, Panic pushing bursters (If shout is on CD)

[soft blade]

and because you can do funny things with uncanny + precog

[thick wolf]

I have it paired with an iag

[soft blade]

that’s good

[thick wolf]

Tho it uses the yellow highlight keystone instead

[junior needle]

This is generally true. However as a premiere stealth knife zealot this only rarely happens to me (typically due to being hitboxed by trapper nets and dogs I visibly dodge on my screen).

[thick wolf]

Since it's the keystone I'm most familiar with

Wep spec confuses me

[soft blade]

it’s better to run it with wep spec and play more melee focused, especially with iag

but if it works for you and you like it then do what you will

[thick wolf]

It's the Agrippa iag btw

Currently my highest rated secondary, somehow

[civic knot]

why not with braced guns?

[thick wolf]

I like my sights aight

[soft blade]

brauto is good with it too

[wise fossil]

Reciprocity is also strong in addition to melee specialist

[soft blade]

it’s just that brauto kind of struggles at range which is le bad

[junior needle]

Eh, WS isn’t particularly synergistic with IAG’s. They already do good damage and work well as a mainline weapon as opposed to a sidearm.

[soft blade]

iag gives you good horde clear and decent enough range

[junior needle]

Horde clear

[soft blade]

paired with knife i mean

[junior needle]

Ranged weapon

[soft blade]

not as a whole

[junior needle]

[thick wolf]

I mainly go for my pmc load out which is just knife and iag

Just in case I'm not confident enough using my main lasgun build for damnation and maelstrom

[soft blade]

obviously if you’re not going for a knife build then just juicing your gun is the way to go

vet is the gun class

[crude ermine]

Knife (derogatory)

[wise fossil]

Uh, wut. WS is excellent with IAGs

[thick wolf]

Knife do be giving me some nasty dodge distances tho

[zealous wyvern]

watch the cliff

[torpid pier]

planning to replace one of the perks into flak but not sure which to replace, I mainly wanna use to wave clear but not sure if infested makes a difference

[thick wolf]

And allows to make me keep up from randoms who seem to prefer speedrunning

[torpid pier]

also carapace I don't feel chsword is that effective on carapace

might do infested for hordes + flak for bruisers

yea not sure

[soft blade]

chsword isn’t great for armor funnily enough

[torpid pier]

yea it's not

[crude ermine]

Odd

[soft blade]

unless you’re critting in melee constantly but at that point run knife

[nimble sentinel]

chainsaws work because wood is a series of protein strings that cuts easier with millions of little cuts digging into the strings, not that wild it doesn't work on metal which is just a malleable rock

[bitter turtle]

yeah precog bad :^)

[eternal sable]

bro

youre fucked up if you think im clicking that

[junior needle]

Discord doesn't play mkv

[bitter turtle]

oh mb

let me upload it to yt or something

[junior needle]

Just convert it to a webm

[bitter turtle]

😔

[thick wolf]

Tho I wish I have a colomnus iag instead

But since game gave me an Agrippa iag and surprisingly actually gave me level 4 blessings after 80 fugging hours

[soft blade]

boowomp

still good tho

plus now you don’t have to sweat about the inevitable ciag nerf

[hollow ibex]

yeah honestly i prefer agri anyway

[thick wolf]

I still have a vraks mk7 though

I need to use that more

[bitter turtle]

there you coward

vs bleed meme

[eternal sable]

Lol

[bitter turtle]

why kill something in 2 seconds when you can take 3 times as long???

[eternal sable]

You are missing the reason why you take bleed

[soft blade]

i can’t believe there was an unironic debate between precog and lacerate

[bitter turtle]

so you dont have to aim?

[eternal sable]

Test that vs a monstrosity

Lmk

[thick wolf]

The great debate of which British culture device kills faster

[nimble sentinel]

this is the karking veteran channel

[crude ermine]

Well when you put it that way maybe knife might not be bad to try again..

[soft blade]

knife vet is le funny

[tiny summit]

Explain to me like I'm a dumbass because I don't use knife. How do I do the constant heavy stabs?

[eternal sable]

Why is a vet using his melee against a crusher or bringing a knife with a ranged that can't deal with carapace

[thick wolf]

Just be careful to not larp as a knife zealot while as vet

[eternal sable]

Actually use your brain

[nimble sentinel]

shomvel go minecraft on carapapa

[eternal sable]

You make a specific test and forget about every other reason for bleed

[tiny summit]

Because I like helbore and infantry las

[crude ermine]

I think you spam heavy? I can't remember either

[eternal sable]

Helbores can deal with carapace at least

[junior needle]

Heavy spam alternates between two different stabs iirc

[tiny summit]

You've changed your pfp twice since I last acknowledged it now

[thick wolf]

You alt punch then stab

[junior needle]

That one is using a method to quickly do the first one

[nimble sentinel]

my MG IV cannot but I can diggy diggy hole in their diggy diggy domes

[eternal sable]

Classic discord user

[crude ermine]

I have too many pictures and too little accounts to use them

[soft blade]

iLas plus shovel pick go brazy

[junior needle]

I try doing this but it always animates the punch and if I try to do it faster it just light attacks

[thick wolf]

Tho rn knife for me is just a mobility device

[bitter turtle]

still kills faster tbh if u can aim and weave

im contemplating if is hould bother making a second video though

lmao

[thick wolf]

In case I need to just gtfo of there

[queen ridge]

oh dang i can't send images cuz i just recently rejoined

[eternal sable]

Don't bother I didn't watch either

[queen ridge]

wanted to show off my new chain axe

[soft blade]

i wouldn’t lol you’re never gonna convince them

[tiny summit]

Gib dueling sword to vet please fatshark

[eternal sable]

I have enough hours to know what precog does on vet

[bitter turtle]

thanks for saving me the effort

[thick wolf]

Combat kukri for vet when

[queen ridge]

that would be pretty fun, though i doubt i'll ever swap off the new knife

[nimble sentinel]

long las and bolt pistol pls

[soft blade]

i want long las

[crude ermine]

Give vet a jar of pee while we're at it

Throw able

[queen ridge]

gamer piss jar

[nimble sentinel]

unironically

[soft blade]

bolt pistol is more realistic though because helbore exists already

[tiny summit]

Take the maggots from poxwalkers and throw them at scabs

[crude ermine]

I'd eat those maggots so I couldn't

Hunger

[nimble sentinel]

not good enough I want a bolt action heretic deleter so I can crank something other than my hog

[thick wolf]

How many karking maggots our characters must have been covered with in an average groaner horde melee duel

[soft blade]

lemme just grab one of the sniper’s long las

pls fatshart

[nimble sentinel]

hellgun too lemme roleplay an a10 with legs

[bitter turtle]

honestly

i tried to make a vid

but bleed knife

kills it so damn slow

[nimble sentinel]

also give the ogryn a heavy bolter

[bitter turtle]

i actually get hit

😔

[crude ermine]

Did you give up halfway through

[bitter turtle]

yes kinda

lol

[crude ermine]

I don't blame you

[bitter turtle]

maybe ill put my back agvainst a wall

and just spam

so i dont get flung anywhere

[crude ermine]

Good idea

[thick wolf]

I really need to try out devil's claw sword

[crude ermine]

You should

[thick wolf]

I've been using nothing but shovels for vet

With the occasional British culture device

Maybe it would benefit my shotgun infiltrator or boltgun guy more idk

[soft blade]

the vet channel as soon as anyone brings up knife

[crude ermine]

Fnaf 3

[thick wolf]

I've neglected those two builds for quite a while

[serene sage]

ew knife

gross

all of the weapons available

[idle swallow]

the bite of 40087

[serene sage]

you pick the tiniest one

like imagine the thought process of walking through a line of weapons
and you come up to a knife, and be like, this one is the one I want

🤮

[strange grove]

running a vraks7 on a melee centered build is working out so far

[cerulean void]

dumb question, does rending do anything over 100%? lol

[serene sage]

it works at 25% efficiency

[cerulean void]

rolled a knife with rending backstab and uncanny and it put the idea in my head

[serene sage]

basically if you have 110% total "armor pen", you do 102.5% damage

if that makes sense

[cerulean void]

ah it just rolls into extra damage? cool

[serene sage]

yeah, at diminished return

[cerulean void]

so an uncanny+rutheless backstab would be something like 148%? don't know where the knife's innate backstab bonus goes in that calculation

[serene sage]

well I'm not sure either, is it classified as rending or?

best way is to try it in the Psykhanium tbh

[cerulean void]

no, IIRC knife just gets a bonus +25% damage to backstabs

[serene sage]

oh then it wouldn't count to rending

[bitter turtle]

next ur gonna tell me you actually run bleed knife for the horde clear
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P38okzI25sI

had to upload the bleed knife one to youtube because it took so goddamn long the video is too beeg for converter 😔
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULgFQa7aekU

[serene sage]

+25% will be extra with no diminished return, though whether it's additive or multiplicative I am not sure

[serene sage]

that thumbnail

bruh

[eternal sable]

Bro I'm trying to enjoy my grandpa burger

Stop

[bitter turtle]

no u

[eternal sable]

I'm not watching

Or reading anything idc

[serene sage]

[eternal sable]

Lol

[bitter turtle]

you're replying at least

[eternal sable]

Hahahahha

Actually dying