veteran-class

[raw steppe]

Ez

[quartz stream]

would you take +flak over crit chance on devil's claw?

[tall torrent]

Usable if you have nothing better

[junior needle]

Wouldn't take crit chance over flak personally

[torn moat]

Yes

[quartz stream]

alright

[civic knot]

why?? can make it into mercy killer + uncanny

[bitter turtle]

before you decide to do that

check if your tree

allows you to waste 3 points getting serrated blade

[civic knot]

i have

[bitter turtle]

if not id just keep precog t3

since precog is the better blessing imo anyway

[torn moat]

Not a waste if he's building for Infiltrate. 😛

[civic knot]

also did that

i wanna make a stoopid build

so, its fine

[junior needle]

movespeed aura

[civic knot]

better than dmg aura. 5% is literally nothing

[torn moat]

5% is a lot for some guns.

[junior needle]

Take ammo

[torn moat]

5% on Plasma or Revolver for example.

[civic knot]

disagree. Not worth wasting an aura for unless it saves you valuable points, which it does

[flint arrow]

scavenger vet ONLY

[civic knot]

no

boring to just keep to that

wanna experiment

[flint arrow]

this message brought to you by the gunlugger gang

[mighty sail]

I have a 5% and a scav loadout cuz every vet has scav in lobbies

[torn moat]

Scav is BiS, but if you're playing with a 2nd vet who has it, damage is perfectly acceptable.

[junior needle]

Reposting this hood classic

[civic knot]

you dont need an ammo vet for some runs depending on the team composition.

[civic knot]

Its unbalanced af, survivalist should not be the only clearly best option

[junior needle]

Just because you don't explicitly need it, doesn't mean you don't want it or that it's very beneficial to have

[soft blade]

i feel like unless your playing a with a premade you should never bank on team comp

[tall torrent]

Well if u have a shield ogryn and 2 staff Psykers then yes you don’t have to have survivalist

[soft blade]

because randoms do whatever whenever

[torn moat]

It's just like how there is clearly one best Ogyrn grenade.

[mighty sail]

I like Rock tho

[civic knot]

not at all, cause the other nade is actually usable

whereas the other vet auras give basically nothing at all

in comparison

shredder is good

can be very nice

[torn moat]

Nah. Ther'es clearly one grenade to rule them all. Just like how there is one Vet Aura to rule them all.

[civic knot]

this is a bone headed take

[forest blaze]

Frags + tinkerer wins games

[torn moat]

Honestly, as a whole, most classes have one Aura that is BiS compared to the others.

[tall torrent]

Which nade is that

Box?

[raw steppe]

I started taking throwing knives

[civic knot]

not true at all. Just bring a team composition with people that are good at dmg and you dont need tinkerer for boss damage

bone headed take

[torn moat]

Do you seriously think it's box? Or you trollin?

[mighty sail]

the best grenade is krak, because its cool

[raw steppe]

To not be reliant on vet aura

[tall torrent]

I’m just asking that’s all

[raw steppe]

LOL

[tall torrent]

I don’t play ogryn enough

[zealous wyvern]

i think my pick for best grenade, taking into account availability, is krak just because of the refill talents

if we ignore the refill but keep in mind how many you can bring

stun or fire

if we look at single use rank, its the ogryn nuke ofc

[junior needle]

Throwing knives aren't as terrible as I thought but still too high of a risk for the reward

[torn moat]

I play Plasma/Revolver Vet primarily. Krak feels redundant.

[zealous wyvern]

then shredder

[soft blade]

i feel like krak is just redundant on vet like 90% of the time

[bitter turtle]

spamming shredder is way better than krak tbh

[zealous wyvern]

if you main plasma yeah

[soft blade]

i think there’s very few instances where vet is hamstrung for armor killing

[mighty sail]

I like Krak because you throw it at the crusher and kill 3, it is nice

[forest blaze]

Troll elsewhere. Tinkerfrags win games.

[civic knot]

if you have to carry, yes

[zealous wyvern]

i personally find krak is the best grenade, considering refill talents, you can bring on a general vet
shredder is better for certain builds that delete crushers already
smoke is idk i guess some ppl make it work?

[civic knot]

or if youre fighting 4 montrosities at the same time

[torn moat]

Smoke is probably the worst grenade in the game tbh...

[bitter turtle]

idk how refill talents factor into this

[civic knot]

its not an option

[bitter turtle]

shredders benefit a lot from refills because its generally useful as a room wipe

[civic knot]

smoke is a waste of a point

[stiff merlin]

I know nothing of revolvers, how did I do?

[zealous wyvern]

you dont?

ofc they do

[soft blade]

vet just has so many melees and guns that murk armor but tbh krak can be nice for monstrosities and what not

[civic knot]

and to make breathing room in mixed hordes or when being overwhelmbed

[zealous wyvern]

a grenade ability you can constantly use is a HUGE buff to that ability

[bitter turtle]

i dont see how its uniquely useful for krak

[zealous wyvern]

its not

[bitter turtle]

which is already a situational grenade

[zealous wyvern]

no my point is

vet only has best grenade IF it refills

otherwise i think that zealot has the better grenades

[torn moat]

Only recently been messing with laspistol on charge zealot. Wow does that burn down bosses/armor so fast.

[soft blade]

i just think shredder utility is insane to the point where there’s not any real reason to take anything else outside of fluff or just fun

[zealous wyvern]

im not saying the refill thing to compare between vet nades

[bitter turtle]

i think srhedder is a lot better than zealot grenades

[zealous wyvern]

only between classes

[mighty sail]

psyker has the best grenade since they never run out

[bitter turtle]

even if zealot refilled

[zealous wyvern]

why

[bitter turtle]

zealot has CC or damage on a grenade, not both

shredder does both

[zealous wyvern]

shredder does both but worse

[bitter turtle]

the fire's stagger is like nothing

[zealous wyvern]

much worse

[thick rose]

that will work well with hand cannon surgical. ive only managed dead perks on mine and it can still 2 shot crushers

[forest blaze]

The literal only reason you don’t take frags is if you’re pathing is short to hit your breakpoints

[zealous wyvern]

shredder has really short stagger and really little damage

stun has what 8 seconds stun?

[bitter turtle]

2x shredder clears out a room of all elites minus the ogryns

[zealous wyvern]

it feels like it

[tall torrent]

Throw 2

[soft blade]

^^

[zealous wyvern]

so now were throwing two shredders but only one zealot nade?

[forest blaze]

Zealot has better nades

[bitter turtle]

yes because that's how you use it

[zealous wyvern]

thats not a fair comparison

[thick rose]

you aren't alone in darktide.

[white minnow]

well, if you're going to talk about vet refills

[thick rose]

just knocking crushers does enough

[white minnow]

then we get to talk about vet nade refills

[zealous wyvern]

yes ofc arco

[bitter turtle]

does throwing 2 fire nades actually help?

[raw steppe]

the real reward for taking throwing knives is saving like 3-4 talent points

LOL

[thick rose]

and you can rez team in a sea of shit with shredders

[tall torrent]

Well if ur using only 1 frag for dmg then you’re not using it right

[zealous wyvern]

ok stop

[torn moat]

Clearly Rock is best grenade.

[zealous wyvern]

you misunderstood me

[forest blaze]

But infinite frags is money

[zealous wyvern]

and i dont like look like an idiot

[soft blade]

[torn moat]

Vet has to take a talent to regen grendes. Ogryn Rock regens for free.

[soft blade]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-ogryn-run-naked-funny-gif-18082679885906165021

[zealous wyvern]

the person i am now talking to specifically said that even if zealots grenades refilled like vets, vet still has better nades

so no in this refill is not a factor

meaning you could just as well throw 2 zealot nades in their hypothetical

which i consider more useful than 2 frags

[bitter turtle]

i just think that 2x shredder is a better oh shit button than any zealot grenades

[civic knot]

wait did you mean shredders and not kraks??

[bitter turtle]

even 2x of them, yes

[tall torrent]

So what was supposed to be the best ogryn grenade

[bitter turtle]

2x stun or 2x flame nade is not that useful

trust me

ive tried

[zealous wyvern]

2 zealot stuns literally stun for like

[mighty sail]

4 vets with recon las and krak grenades

[forest blaze]

Frags = shredders yah

[zealous wyvern]

infinity

[bitter turtle]

it is a long stun yes

but

[civic knot]

ah then i agree

[bitter turtle]

id rather just

kill everything

lol

[forest blaze]

Aye

[bitter turtle]

the localized knockdown on frags is a long enough stun for what doesnt die to the dot bleed anyway

[forest blaze]

Tinkerfrags will almost solo the game for you

[civic knot]

but like.... 25% dmg on frag nade...? is that worth it

[zealous wyvern]

whenever i use frag, i find they have small range, dont do that much dmg and their cc is short

[torn moat]

I was trying to get people to start arguing over Rock vs Nuke. Bother are good on Ogryn. Though I think Nuke is better overall.

[thick rose]

bleed dmg ticks increase with stacks right?
so 2 shredders more stacks does more damage

[zealous wyvern]

stun grenade is massive

[bitter turtle]

dont get me wrong

[zealous wyvern]

fire grenade is massive

[bitter turtle]

the stun grenade is good

[placid portal]

Radius more than enough

[zealous wyvern]

and last longer

[bitter turtle]

i just would rather have frags still

[mighty sail]

bleed is disappointing

[bitter turtle]

and fire grenade

HONESTLY

[forest blaze]

Take zealot circle jerking to the zealot chat

[bitter turtle]

i hate fire grenade

lol

[placid portal]

Fire really fucks hounds

[bitter turtle]

yeah

[tall torrent]

Ah ok thx for answering
I use rock myself to save nade spawns for zealots on the team

[bitter turtle]

its good for hounds

[zealous wyvern]

im not circlejerking. i am discussing what grenade is better

[bitter turtle]

that's the only time ive gone

"wow i really like fire nades

lol

[forest blaze]

I’m colorblind as fuck and can’t see the difference between the fire grenades and regular fire

[placid portal]

[zealous wyvern]

just because i play veteran 100% of the time, i dont need to never praise things others can do

[bitter turtle]

on hunting ground mod

[zealous wyvern]

thats ridiculous

[bitter turtle]

honestly i really am just eh on zealot grenades

[zealous wyvern]

ill say zealot has best nades if i want to

[bitter turtle]

i even run knife lul

[forest blaze]

But zealot has better grenades for sure

[torn moat]

Rock is great as well. Especially for killing Mutants before they get close.

[forest blaze]

Infinite Tinkerfrags tho? Suck it down zealots

[thick rose]

I am too and I literally have to check for the fire debuff when I walk into it... there is a difference in the height of the flame that I can see most of the time

[white minnow]

the nodes above it aside, immo nades are nice

[zealous wyvern]

but with the refill vet has, we have the best grenade ability for sure

[tall torrent]

The ragdoll is worth it

[forest blaze]

“It’s bad fire!”

[zealous wyvern]

i am glad we have reloading grenades

they are very fun to use and topical

[mighty sail]

zealot fire is golden and bigger, bad fire is red, green fire is also bad

[zealous wyvern]

shame it feels like a tax

[thick rose]

?

[civic knot]

How much more damage is 60% finesse?

[bitter turtle]

let me put it this way

[torn moat]

Ogryn has reloading grenades.

[forest blaze]

Colorblind hahah

[soft blade]

whar

[bitter turtle]

suppose we (as vets) can pick any grenade

would you really run stun/fire over shredder frags

personally i wouldnt

[white minnow]

+60% weakspot dmg, +60% crit damage, and +60% crit weakspot dmg

[bitter turtle]

MAYBE stun sometimes

that's about it

[terse idol]

The difference I imagine between a red flame and a yellow flame is proobably very similar when you're colourblind

[zealous wyvern]

its fine. you think frags are better

[soft blade]

how did this go from krak vs shredder to shredder vs the world

[forest blaze]

Idk if I had infinite +radius fire nades and wasn’t colorblind? For sure

[zealous wyvern]

i just wanted to at least bring it on level

so everyone knows whats up

[thick rose]

its on the way to voice of command. as if you would use anything else XD

[zealous wyvern]

and ppl can make their choice

[tall torrent]

I’d take ogryn nuke with 60s nade regen and 5% chance to gain 1 nade on elite/special kill

[zealous wyvern]

instead of stupid conjecture and contradiction

[bitter turtle]

ok

sorry

ignoring the ogryn nuke

LUL

yeah that one is the best

as a single nade

[soft blade]

infini nuke

[zealous wyvern]

the ogryn nuke is the best as i said up top there

[terse idol]

Shredders just bettah

[zealous wyvern]

but it doesnt refill and brings less

which is why i only listed it in the singles category

[mighty sail]

smoke is the best, it lets you shoot more

[soft blade]

i’m aware lol

[terse idol]

After playing with both for a long while, I honestly do thiink shredder is better than krak

[torn moat]

Why is no one acknowledging the superiority of Rock grenade?

[zealous wyvern]

for my builds, i NEED krak

none of my guns clear crushers

i just die

[forest blaze]

I switched to smokes. If I had 2 extra points I’d drop it for frags in a heartbeat

[bitter turtle]

what gun do you run

[thick rose]

do you play solo?

[zealous wyvern]

each crusher takes me like an hour to kill

[bitter turtle]

that cant clear crushers

[raw steppe]

just melee lul

[zealous wyvern]

that is ofc a good thought but you know how randoms are

[bitter turtle]

like every gun can just run deadshot or onslaught and be ok at them

[zealous wyvern]

sometimes

you cant control your team

[light ore]

krak good for bulwark, krak good for boss

[bitter turtle]

depending on whether its auto or semiauto

[torn moat]

Imagine a grenade that 1 hits chargers, and regens without additional talent points being spent? You don't have to. It's the Rock.

[light ore]

that's pretty much it

[zealous wyvern]

if i dont kill the crusher, sometimes noone does

[mighty sail]

I like Krak because it lets me do boss damage and I don't trust team

[forest blaze]

I use plasma and chaxe in aurics and I just switch to melee vs crushers and maulers

[zealous wyvern]

i can kill crushers with my brauto

[soft blade]

kraks real claim to fame is boss damage tbh but even then it’s not incredible enough to dethrone shredder

[zealous wyvern]

but thats it

[bitter turtle]

the boss stunlock is prob the best part about krak

[light ore]

boss stun is nice too

[bitter turtle]

and killing bulwarks

[zealous wyvern]

otherwise i infantry lasgun, helbore, las pistol

right now

[light ore]

^

[bitter turtle]

crushers are just way too easy to kill now

[zealous wyvern]

i dont do very much against crushers in heated situations with that

[tall torrent]

The real question is if we spent all the time before a mission inside mourningstar or being transported via Valkyrie, how does Ogryn start a mission with 4 rocks in his pocket

[bitter turtle]

u just run onslaught on an automatic or deadshot on a single shot gun

ded crusher

if my v7 can spam fire into a crusher and kill them in a pinch there's no excuse for any other gun lul

[zealous wyvern]

landing deadshot headshots on crushers in a heated situation is horror

good for you to pull it off

i die

[light ore]

krak is better when you're saving points by not running survivalist : )

[bitter turtle]

id ont think theres a gun worse at killing carapace than v7

[forest blaze]

I pull chain axe and go monkey

[soft blade]

i mean melees exist and deadshot exists which you should honestly be using one or the other on a lasgun

[zealous wyvern]

i use v7 a lot

my melees are usually also not good on crushers

[soft blade]

realistically deadshot always

[tall torrent]

Infantry lasguns aren’t as good I think

[terse idol]

Brunt brings in rocks

[thick rose]

if you wan't to just run lasguns I don't think anyone is going to argue that krak is a bad idea

I would guess that most pushback here is actuallly against anything that isnt optimal vet atm

[bitter turtle]

dont they get HH?

[terse idol]

Just for the ogryns

[thick rose]

so dont worry about it

[bitter turtle]

and surgical

[zealous wyvern]

shovel, devil claw (unless you parry i guess?), chainsword does kinda work

[bitter turtle]

as well

[torn moat]

Unless they run Infernus

[tall torrent]

Infantry Lasgun don’t have surgical

[bitter turtle]

or is the dmg really low even if you crit

[zealous wyvern]

im not saying i cant kill crushers

im saying it takes a bit too long

and a krak helps a LOT

[bitter turtle]

oh that's rip

[tall torrent]

Only like 362 smth on crit headshot with deadly accurate

[zealous wyvern]

especially when my team is not keen on helping

[soft blade]

yeah iLas sucks at killing crushers

[zealous wyvern]

headshotting crushers is kinda hard

sometimes

[soft blade]

really just armor in general

[zealous wyvern]

im not talking about scenarios where i can just mow them down either

i mean uncomfortably breathing down your neck in a horde

[wise fossil]

Just run new shovel and bop the crusher on his noggin

[zealous wyvern]

just in case anyone didnt realise that

[light ore]

what vet melees aren't good at crushers

catchan

tac axe

uh

[zealous wyvern]

using a deadshot rifle in that situation is pretty bad

[light ore]

is that it?

[zealous wyvern]

shovel

shovel

[light ore]

shovel is fine

[zealous wyvern]

unless you use the new battlepick

which i dont

[sonic marlin]

which character uses the flamethrower

[terse idol]

The infernus rock....

[zealous wyvern]

zealot

[light ore]

at worst, it has uncanny

[terse idol]

[placid portal]

Why dont the guard have flamer

[zealous wyvern]

uncanny is a fair point i suppose

[tall torrent]

Zealot

[soft blade]

shovel and tac axe are pretty easy to have dumpster the hell out of crushers

[light ore]

but granted it's not the instadelete some of the other options are

[zealous wyvern]

and thats one specific blessing

not everyone has that

[raw steppe]

dclaw, taxe and chsword afaik

[tall torrent]

Prob gameplay balance to maintain veteran as the more mid-long range & accuracy focused class

[zealous wyvern]

i think those best in slot arguments are kinda worthless

[raw steppe]

chsword takes multiple revs

[zealous wyvern]

sure if you build a character right, you can deal with anything

my point is krak is great when you dont

[soft blade]

rashad not tac axe oops

[light ore]

well, it's more that you're spoiled for choice with vet melee

[placid portal]

Which they can get out done by a psyker or kickback

[light ore]

when it comes to crusher killing

maybe just melee in general

[wise fossil]

It's not terribly difficult to get one level three blessing tbh. Sure, if you don't have it you can't run it. But a bit of RNG and a few hours will get what you want

[raw steppe]

kraks kinda suck tbh, cuz between your ranged and melee it's pretty easy to have one weapon that can deal with them easily

and shredders are just better

[zealous wyvern]

true i have a IV uncanny shovel now after months

[forest blaze]

Psyker dsword or Deimos and just poke the crusher in the head gg ez

[tall torrent]

Kind of, I’d still consider vet to be the more reliable option at dealing with long range targets accurately

[zealous wyvern]

its easy sure. but i pick what i want in my theme

not what performs well

at least when i play for fun

[raw steppe]

yeah i mean you can play how you like lol

cue the ammo aura meme

[zealous wyvern]

for ppl who care about performance, kraks definitely DO NOT perform best

[light ore]

they're fine

they have a role

[zealous wyvern]

misput that

[wise fossil]

Obviously everyone can play whatever they like. The argument is about whether it's actually strong

[soft blade]

^

[sonic marlin]

smh i was told to play psyker cuz i don't like melee much

[zealous wyvern]

my argument is about it being strong if you dont have a build that specifically does what krak does

not that its strong overall

[raw steppe]

yeah but then you have a weak build

or a shitty build

[soft blade]

true

[supple hamlet]

What should I replace decapitator on this one with any ides?

[zealous wyvern]

and i think everyone else here just agrees that theyre weak

[tall torrent]

Psyker has purgatus staff which is slightly different from zealot’s flamer

[zealous wyvern]

so i dont know why its still going

on a meta level, frag is better

[raw steppe]

purg vs flamer is a tradeoff.
you trade off infinite ammo for the ability to deal with crushers essentially

[zealous wyvern]

but from the perspective of a mediocre player as myself, krak is much better

[jaunty sphinx]

mark III or VI knife?

[light ore]

i think most of the time experienced players will prefer the cc horde clear of shredders, but krak def has a place

[zealous wyvern]

you gods couldnt understand

[wise fossil]

Hell, even if you're running one of the weapons that aren't great, you can take onslaught and greatly improve carapace damage

[light ore]

if you're going monstrous malestrom, or just really hate bulwarks

[zealous wyvern]

what i have to deal with

[glacial yacht]

absolutely brutal momentum

[zealous wyvern]

sitting in your skilled tactician chair

[hard briar]

I even take kraks with plasma

[zealous wyvern]

never needing a krak

if only you knew how bad things really are

[terse idol]

No no I get it

Its like ahh the bleed is just

[supple hamlet]

ty

[terse idol]

It does alot of work

I know where you're coming from with krak though

[wicked gate]

What's the new store gear?

[terse idol]

But, more and more do I just see someone throw Krak and the crushers dead

[zealous wyvern]

yes

[terse idol]

Its great for bulwarks though

[zealous wyvern]

thats great

oh you mean when ppl kill it before it goes boom

[terse idol]

Yeah

[wicked gate]

Did commodores ventures get updated?

[zealous wyvern]

yeah thats wasted kraks but that usually happens to me when its relaxed

[terse idol]

Woops thats what I mean

[zealous wyvern]

its more like "might as well" to me

nothing going on, ill just throw a krak for good luck

[terse idol]

Dats fair

[zealous wyvern]

if someone kills it, whatever

[light ore]

shredder bleed benefits from uncanny strike, so if you throw down all three and get uncanny up, they also delete crushers

[zealous wyvern]

i remember one guy who always cried in chat when someone killed his krak victims

[tall torrent]

Yea new salvar chem dog sets

[zealous wyvern]

funny

[light ore]

not always the efficient thing to do, but it is funny

[zealous wyvern]

he wasnt toxic, just crying

so sad his grenades got ignored

[wicked gate]

Ooo okk

[zealous wyvern]

have a good rest, goodnight

keep a krak under your pillow

[serene sage]

we need this armor suit

stats

[frank imp]

too OP

[serene sage]

give us an exitus rifle too

cause fuck it we ball

[serene sage]

stealth vet fantasy

[terse idol]

Maybe one day Exe, Infil one shot will be cool

Woops

I mean infil oneshot

[keen sedge]

what should i replace ghost for

[terse idol]

Head hunter

[crude ermine]

Brain hunter

More damage to the tip of the head

170%

Op

[serene bough]

ye do headhunter

[umbral scaffold]

Foreheadhunter

[soft blade]

schmead schmunter

[sonic marlin]

so far the best one i got, smh

can't wait to get a 380 modifiers and all perks and blessings gonna be shit

[jolly hemlock]

thats the spirit

[broken crag]

such is life

[bitter turtle]

that one is good

cleave targets is not tha timportant with BM

[late hatch]

ghost is actually pretty good imo. being able to just stand there popping shooters is dope

i use it on a few weapons

[sonic marlin]

turned out pretty shit

[terse idol]

Rampage is okay

Just replace duper charge with pcycler

[late hatch]

swap stam perk for maniac and supercharge for power cycler

its a prety nice roll

[sonic marlin]

I guess it works for now?

looks pretty good

[finite imp]

I ain't got a docket
In these old work out jeaaans
So I'll stop eatin' steak
And Ill go back to beeeaans

Oooooohoooo
Oooohooooo

I'm lonesome but happy
I'm rich but I'm broke
And the good empra knows the reason
I ain't no average cowpoke

From cadia to tertium
The ranges I know
Cuz I drift with the warp
Throne knows where I go

Some evening in springtime
Some new knife I'll find
And I might spend all summer
With her on my mind

But I'll never be tainted
Through the flames and the smoke
Cleave the chaos, break the chains
I ain't no average cowpoke

[rigid whale]

watching a krak go to waste is always sad

[broken crag]

take me home to mayooo across the irish seaaaa

[finite imp]

https://tenor.com/view/team-fortress2-engineer-gif-23869811

[broken crag]

home to dear old mayoo where once i roamed so free

[finite imp]

I love how in the engineers intro trailer he is LITERALLY camping

[golden nacelle]

Sp, what you guys think is the best autogun variant?

[sonic marlin]

columnus mk5

[broken crag]

columbus v

[finite imp]

The graia is fast
The agrippina is slooow
The ciag is cool
And so is the brautoooo

[rigid whale]

columnus by far, assuming you're talking about the infantry ones

[golden nacelle]

word

I like the Agri brauto a lot, but ive been meaning to try out a regular autogun

[finite imp]

The bolter is nice
And the plasma she glooows
Through the dark, through the war
Of us average cowpokes

[golden nacelle]

Stability very important?

[finite imp]

harmonica

[golden nacelle]

not ideal perks and blessings i know

[finite imp]

Stability is nice
Damage is your first
Mobility under 50
That weapon is cursed

Musical meta advice

Lmao

[terse idol]

Ciag is literally the best gun rn

And uh

you can survive with that mobility

I mean

Stability

[finite imp]

Yeah the CIAG does spray all over the place but once you get the hang of the recoil it's kind of like tarkov

[golden nacelle]

word

[finite imp]

The ciag she's nice
Probably one of the beeeestt
Her dps is high
It tops all the rest

[junior needle]

One of the best guns, but plasma is probably the best

Revolver probably has more overall usage than CIAG

CIAG is objectively the highest dps automatic though

[late hatch]

c5 goes pretty well with onslaught too

[raw steppe]

deadshot ciag is really fun to play

highly recommend

very easy to top scoreboard in every game lol

[cerulean void]

this game really wants me to take recons, I think this makes number 18 that'll sit in my inventory til they get buffed lmao

[raw steppe]

and it's actually pretty good / avg in terms of ammo efficiency

compared to plasma where if you try to top scoreboard you'll basically vacuum all the ammo pickups in the game

[light ore]

frankly, with the way crit strings work, 13% crit rate for ciag is plenty

deadshot ciag is very funny though

pair with Target Down for stamina refunds

[raw steppe]

ye

i've tried both with and without onslaught

overall i think it's fine without, but onslaught gives you a bit more flexibility

[light ore]

onslaught is just "am i too lazy to melee crushers"

[raw steppe]

not quite actually

generally I try to melee crushers for ammo efficiency reasons

[late hatch]

nah onslaught is amazing

[raw steppe]

but having an option to hose them down if you're under pressure

is actually very nice

[light ore]

completely ok if the answer is yes, but if you're willing to just pull out your melee you can use those points for value in other areas

[late hatch]

and boss dps

[light ore]

what does onslaught do for boss?

[late hatch]

bon weakspot with onslaught

[raw steppe]

brittleness

boss is unyielding type

[light ore]

didn't know unyielding had damage resist, neat

does that mean rending does more damage to unyielding too?

[raw steppe]

it ends up being 40-10% more damage

yes

[light ore]

cool, learned something new

[raw steppe]

since you're over 100% for unyielding on ciag, 40% brittle turns into 10% more damage

[late hatch]

rending is the same as brittle but 1 is only for you and other is for everyone'

[raw steppe]

but it ends up being something like 30% more damage for bleed

cuz bleed base values against unyielding is 0.75

with 40%, that becomes 1.04% so

which ends up being 38% more damage or so

[light ore]

do you happen to know if weapons at 100% rending benefit from the penetration stat?

like, uncanny knife for example

[raw steppe]

yes, at 1/4

[rigid pilot]

It should be the other way round

[rigid whale]

rending is a player buff, brittleness is an enemy debuff, basically

[rigid pilot]

Rending% over your penetration adm

[raw steppe]

so if you have 100% rending, and your knife is base 60%, any amount up to 100% is full ADM

and any amount over 100% is 1/4

so it would be 115% in that example

[light ore]

gotcha

[raw steppe]

meaning you'd do double damage essentially

[raw steppe]

been playing around with this one

so you can actually cut the 4 points

on the right for onslaught

grab longshot, 20%ogryn, and tinkerer

and it performs pretty well as well

[late hatch]

squish mod mvp lol

[raw steppe]

only issue is being forced to melee crushers sometimes is suboptimal

but having super nades makes up for it

[light ore]

the eternal Get Back in the Fight vs Catch a Breath dilemma

which of these two useless nodes is least useless

[sonic marlin]

guess i keep sniper def?

[raw steppe]

grenade tinkerer on shredders is very very very good

i think i'm the only one who takes it

but it's completely disgusting

[late hatch]

is the keystone worth it? i generally skip them for the grenade perk and i think cr on the right middle

[raw steppe]

25% radius is like 57% increased area

[raw steppe]

keystone helps with your stamina management

basically with deadshot ciag, you need as much stamina as possible

I'm running 36% stam regen on curios lol

36% stam regen on curios, tag keystone stamina regen, duck and dive stam regen

[light ore]

how many plus stamina?

[raw steppe]

and i'm still blasting through my stam

0

i'm running hp/tough/tough

[light ore]

i feel like that would be the bigger bottleneck

[late hatch]

im addicted to my +3 stam

feel borked without it

[light ore]

genuinely considered putting a second +3 on my vet the other day

[raw steppe]

ye i dont mind it on vet lol

[light ore]

just the for the new knife push attack spam

[raw steppe]

it's REAL bad on psyker

where you have 2 or 3 base stamina

with certain weapons

getting +3 there helps 😛

[light ore]

at least psyker has lowest(?) stam regen delay

vet feels so bad if you don't take at least one of the .25 connector nodes

and with kinetic deflection being at 0 stamina doesn't really prevent psyker from doing much

that's another point in favor of onslaught i suppose

[frank ether]

I just throw a +3 and call it a day if no deadshot

but kinda depends

rly

[raw steppe]

Well stamina on psyker is mainly for running not fort blocking

[frank ether]

nobody blocks in this game

except shield ogryn larp people

[raw steppe]

But having 2 base stamina is absolute suffering

[light ore]

nobody actively blocks as like a strategy, but it's important to have at least a little stamina as a buffer

to avoid the ocasional stun

if a hit gets through and breaks your guard

[junior needle]

It does depend on the range though, the ciag unusually has a massive falloff at range. Up close it's like 140+, at max falloff it goes down to like 50~ off the top of my head

[raw steppe]

Yeah for ciag its only 10% more dmg

[junior needle]

So you can feasibly hit below 100 at average ranges, in which case you get more damage

[raw steppe]

Its good for bleeds tho

[junior needle]

Rending counters ranged falloff

[terse idol]

I will say, its best practice to save your dodges for emerrgencies, I've caught myself pre-empt dodging on hordes and those eventually could mean the difference

[rigid whale]

i thought having more stamina blocks didn't let you sprint more?

[raw steppe]

longshot completely solves the sniper issue

[light ore]

it's more, "did something sneak a hit in while i was pushing"

[terse idol]

Hmm

*nod

[raw steppe]

On ciag falloff

Iswhti noticed

[junior needle]

Well yeah, longshot does help compensate for ranged damage falloff. But that's by giving you more damage. Onslaught has the added benefit of countering falloff altogether.

It's an added benefit if you have a positive modifier but dip to negative at range

Also works on inversed falloff

[raw steppe]

Yar

Deadshot ciag is like even easier to play than plasma

[junior needle]

Don't think there's any inverted falloff automatics anymore though

[raw steppe]

More braindead and easier to perform well

Ye too bad

They killed recons right?

Doesn't Kant 12 have inverse fall off

[junior needle]

All infantry lasguns have inverted falloff

But it's not an automatic

Also yes, recons back to being big shit just like pre talent patch.

[frank ether]

another day another opportunity to dunk on r*con users

[junior needle]

I'm mostly dunking on fatsharks quality balancing

Which is also big shit

[terse idol]

Its just insane how they kinda

Let the mk4 just be a recon

Thats good

And shit on the actual recons

[frank ether]

I think you're just reading too much into it

[finite imp]

I may be a knife user
But Plasma guns make me yawn
At least I don't run
A fuckin recon

[frank ether]

they let the balance guy out of the closet every 3 months or so

[terse idol]

🥹

[frank ether]

he'll fix it once they let him out again

[terse idol]

They feed him the one chicken scrap that falls under the table

[finite imp]

I made fried chicken boneless wings today

[terse idol]

All in all it seems like the guns are... mostly balanced... besides a few

[finite imp]

I did barbeque and buffalo

[terse idol]

Chickem

[finite imp]

SIZZLIN

[junior needle]

He uses the temporary energy boost to buff helbores again before going back into hibernation

[light ore]

every time they let him out power sword loses another charged swing

[finite imp]

And the revolvers get stronger

[terse idol]

"But first bagels"

[terse idol]

Well they got kiinda nerfed

[finite imp]

Leave my kitchens bread station alone

[light ore]

one must die so the other can live

[finite imp]

It's cramped pk

Ok

[rigid whale]

i hope they make recons good again

[terse idol]

They will be

[frank ether]

is that all cooking oil

[rigid whale]

they'd be fun to use with exec, currently i just stick with the graia

[finite imp]

It's a blend of peanut oil and vegetable oil

[frank ether]

I mean looks tasty but das a lotta oil

careful dont let US see it

[polar kayak]

i thought he meant fry the bagels

[finite imp]

You don't drink the fuckin oil

[light ore]

that's just how you fry things

[frank ether]

well, the chicken does

[finite imp]

Have you never deep fried wings

You submerge them in oil

[frank ether]

Yeah I get it

[rigid whale]

would the braced auto be good with exec

[finite imp]

You don't sit there with a straw going MMMMM

OIL

[terse idol]

How else you gonna fry the oil if they ain't swimminf

[light ore]

i regurgitate oil on the wings like a mama bird

[frank ether]

would probably be better to get a smaller deeper pan for this kinda thing

[terse idol]

🥹

[polar kayak]

you won’t fry those bagels

[rigid whale]

what

[finite imp]

Watch me fry my entire hand. WITH BREADING

[junior needle]

It's not happening

[rigid whale]

:(

[junior needle]

Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment

[rigid whale]

welp, guess i'm sticking with the graia

[unborn perch]

not me btw

[light ore]

incredibly appropriate pfp

[terse idol]

I'm gonna sip my copium and say they nerf the recon so the hellgun they'll add eventually™️ will be strong

That is huge copium though

[rigid whale]

are the graia and the columnus supposed to have similar recoil/bloom? i assumed the graia would be a little more stable but i guess not

[frank ether]

maybe we should turn this into fine dining chat

[finite imp]

Listen here frymaster this was the best chicken I've cooked in a while.

[junior needle]

ciag is the most unstable variant from the looks of it

[finite imp]

My stomach is going to explode that's how you know the food was good

[brisk sapphire]

What ingredients do non-Buffalonians use for their Buffalo sauce I wonder

[finite imp]

The fuck

You just buy it at the store

By the bottle

[rigid whale]

considering the fact that the columnus has way higher RoF with similar damage and slightly more ammo, it feels wrong to me how similar the graia and columnus are in terms of stability it's no secret the column is overtuned though

[polar kayak]

need closer look at that chicken tho

[brisk sapphire]

Ah, bottled premade sauce I see

[light ore]

the disdain dripping through the monitor

[junior needle]

They could have both be strong of course, but as long as I get my gatling laser goodness fix I'll be alright

[serene sage]

is there an Assassinorum game chat

[junior needle]

Shouldn't take them this long though

[finite imp]

Bruh it's just franks red hot butter and cayenne. You can't fuck that up

[terse idol]

This is going back to what Alton Brown said
"You don't go to Buffalo to get good Buffalo wild wings"

[frank ether]

that assumes we will get a hellgun

[terse idol]

[rigid whale]

i should try out the agri infantry autogun, is it any good

[terse idol]

Yeah we have a bigger chance of the longlas

[vale osprey]

Anthony Bordain also said you don't

[terse idol]

(MAYBE THE MELTA)

[light ore]

disrupt destiny still doesn't work : )

[polar kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/undertaker-mankind-hell-in-a-cell-fall-gif-14555677

ey u chicken guy distractin me from lasguns needing buff

[finite imp]

Idk try it out and tell me

[rigid whale]

will do tomorrow if I find one

[near shore]

ight, im drunk darktide or nah?

[light ore]

tac axe 7 2nd swing still doesn't work

[finite imp]

I AM A KNIFEMAXXER NOT A CHICKEN MAN

[frank ether]

tac axe

I sleep

can we go back to food talk

[finite imp]

https://tenor.com/view/the-good-doctor-shaun-murphy-freddie-highmore-i-am-a-surgeon-surgeon-gif-10294805566573567111

I AM A KNIFEMAXXER

[light ore]

every patch i do that "guy looks in fridge for half a second before walking away dissapointed" meme

[finite imp]

NOT A CHICKEN GUY

[light ore]

only to see the only thing patched were cosmetics

[frank ether]

minimum viable product hell yea

[finite imp]

I have to wonder what was going through that actors head

[terse idol]

Well they're likely back in rhe office

Praying

[frank ether]

do you feel like a part of the imperium yet?

[terse idol]

"I'm a surgeon"

[frank ether]

You won't feel immersed unless you're treated like a worthless PoS

[terse idol]

😌

[finite imp]

Hey we need you to act like an autistic doctor spazzing out can you do that

[scarlet smelt]

Should I wait for DumDum or get Unyielding damage

[finite imp]

Uh sure.

[terse idol]

I hope this actor bounces back

Because yeah it's a

Doomed role

[light ore]

we need an ogryn version of the tearful cat emote

[finite imp]

Hard scene to watch tbh

[scarlet smelt]

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-scout-fridge-gif-25777785

[finite imp]

High Laurie should join as House

[frank ether]

why unyielding tho

[near shore]

what u tryna do with it

[finite imp]

I'm here to kill Chaos

[frank ether]

what was that unarmored originally

[terse idol]

Damn, it must be easy to be a surgeon if I can panic in the surgery room, rip off my scrubs thus contaminating the whole room
Then tell my boss what my role in the hospital was to get my job back

[junior needle]

CHAOS

[scarlet smelt]

probably something like 1.5 stamina or something

idr this is an old pistol

[finite imp]

I hope he likes my shirt his opinion is a big deal to me

[scarlet smelt]

Just to chip at bosses better

The unarmored was to kill gunners easier

[frank ether]

honestly Idk it seems a bit rough

[near shore]

if its for boss dmg, then prob unyielding. but thats 25% vs dumdum which can be up to 30% i think

[frank ether]

unarmored makes sense for gunner yea

[finite imp]

https://tenor.com/view/chaos-kill-chaos-gif-21988010

[frank ether]

I think I'd just say get dumdum but

part of me is afraid

[junior needle]

Dumdum is universal damage

[frank ether]

they might ''fix'' dumdum

[scarlet smelt]

So is raking fire though...

[frank ether]

and then it will become shit

[junior needle]

Also bugged to use the anoint in blood code

[frank ether]

like the other dmg blessings

[near shore]

the question is then, what blessing to drop

[finite imp]

WE JUST BASING OUR META ON THE THEORETICAL NOW DAMN

[near shore]

cause raking fire can be nutty vs beast of nurgle

[finite imp]

WELL SHIT MAN

[near shore]

but ghost is nice to have

[finite imp]

BOLTERS MIGHT BECOME GOOD BETTER RUN THOSE

[junior needle]

Gotta get that sicknasty slug damage, it's what I build all my weapons around

[frank ether]

yedge

[finite imp]

AYE DOG I KNOW RECON BLOWS BUT THEY MIGHT FIX IT SO ITS BASICALLY META

BITCH

[near shore]

u mean this DAMAGE

[frank ether]

invest everything on r*con stocks

on the potential r*con rework

[scarlet smelt]

https://tenor.com/view/sullivan-mmm-gif-19258263

[light ore]

recon users training with weighted clothes

[finite imp]

Here comes the blurry rasta guy taking 17k damage

[light ore]

waiting for the day they can reveal their true potential

[near shore]

look bruh, i try lmao

[scarlet smelt]

I've actually played damnation for like two weeks with the VId recon lasgun

[near shore]

agri shotgun go brrrr, and thats 1 slug

[scarlet smelt]

I was addicted to it

[junior needle]

I see those temporary damage boosts, exe, and the agri shotgun

[frank ether]

lmao

[finite imp]

https://tenor.com/view/shaking-head-dreadlocks-locs-no-absolutely-not-gif-14320272

[near shore]

oh ya, its STACKED

[polar kayak]

when tho

[finite imp]

17400 DPS

[near shore]

heres the fun part

[junior needle]

INSANE SLUG DPS #1 VETERAN BUILD USE BEFORE IT'S NERFED

[frank ether]

so uh

[frank ether]

I think one slug equals to like 400 something recon vld ammo

[finite imp]

Still don't get why the bolter does so little damage

[rigid whale]

i love the slug shotgun. downing ogryns with it is a blast

[near shore]

well keep in mind, its stacked with full bore, no respite, exec stance, etc

u dont need to really do loop holes to get 9k on bolter

[finite imp]

The bolter literally should be the highest damage per shot in the game

[polar kayak]

ye i think i win more with it. my columnus mk 5 needs so much ammo

[frank ether]

bolter doesnt do little damage though

[near shore]

for how fast itll kill a boss, i dont think anything is better than bolter

[terse idol]

Its not a real astartes bolter 🤓

[finite imp]

Damage should be based on the ammo not the gun

[terse idol]

Yeah the fucked up part being pgun has 3x as much ammo and clip size as the bolter

[finite imp]

A gun is a delivery system

[terse idol]

And does more damage

[finite imp]

The ammo is the damage

[terse idol]

And has more range and-

[near shore]

well the slug does more dmg, but i had to fire 5 shots, load a slug, then quickly fire for weakspot and crit

[frank ether]

yeah plasma very balanced

[junior needle]

More than that easy

[near shore]

bolter i just hold the button

[timid otter]

Bolter has to many weaknesses right now that needs to be covered

[near shore]

so bolter is more consititent and faster

[finite imp]

Do you know how hot burning plasma burns at it should one shot everything in the game and then leave a giant pussy hole in the wall

[frank ether]

ok

[timid otter]

It struggles to hit good bps without talents, long draw time, low ammo, low magazine, long reload.

[frank ether]

I think the amount of oil in that chicken

is getting to your head

[finite imp]

Literally 100 million degrees

[terse idol]

It should destroy the map and make you unable to progress because you destroyed the elevator

[finite imp]

Balanced

[terse idol]

😌

[finite imp]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-perfectlybalanced-gif-18301221

[atomic zephyr]

yeah the orbital bombardment exterminatus? just a bunch of plasma guns duct taped to the bottom of the ships

[finite imp]

No that would be the cocaine

[terse idol]

I'd believe it

[frank ether]

understandable

[scarlet smelt]

the recon lasguns need so much ammo though

[near shore]

behold tho

[scarlet smelt]

i gobble that shit and prioritize giving ammo to others instead of me taking it

[finite imp]

I always figured exterminatus was just a nuclear weapon that reacts with the atmosphere. Once it detonates the atmosphere itself is it's payload, so it burns until the planet is dead

[finite imp]

That a mk 7?

[near shore]

no

[frank ether]

3

[near shore]

its not mk3

[finite imp]

Disgusting

[near shore]

i think

ik its not mk7

[finite imp]

Who uses the bust fire with that recoil

[near shore]

could be mk3 or the other

[polar kayak]

i have head hunter lv3 and infernus lv4 with shocktrooper perk

[junior needle]

Na, you can see a few examples in games. It's not a single weapon but an orbital bombardment.

dow2 had an exterminatus

[frank ether]

that looks identical to 3

[near shore]

puerly dmg testing

[rigid whale]

is plasma really all that busted

[finite imp]

My method is more efficient and scientific 🤓

[terse idol]

Yuhh

[frank ether]

what recoil

[terse idol]

You just build for 1 BP

[finite imp]

Unironic mk3 user

[terse idol]

Get 1 blessing

[rigid whale]

i really need to try deadshot some time, a crit vet sounds fun

[terse idol]

2 for a real Min max

And easy

[rigid whale]

infernus maybe? :)

[junior needle]

If it's more scientific then how come our planet hasn't burned from all the nukes

Checkmate scientists

[finite imp]

Because those nukes aren't designed to utilize the atmosphere as fuel

[polar kayak]

if u made a mission with a friend, is it possible for the public people to join or is it private mission?

[finite imp]

Oh you're just being a dope

[pulsar radish]

which columbus is good for rapid fire gameplay still ?

style*

[finite imp]

How do you make a mission

[frank ether]

https://media.tenor.com/XHr4FWDAdQIAAAAM/fish-eating-fish-eating-from-spoon.gif

[finite imp]

CIAG

[serene sage]

you can exterminatus in Chaos Gate as well

[pulsar radish]

awesome thank you

[terse idol]

Yummy

[polar kayak]

i quick play, i have no friends

[pulsar radish]

I wanna small change lol

[serene sage]

those I don't remember DoW2 has Exterminatus?

[finite imp]

It's like working in retail up in here

[finite imp]

Every day just a line of noobs out the door

[near shore]

chain axe dmg be like

[finite imp]

Hello sir how can I help you
Is this recon meta?
No sir it isn't have a good day

[near shore]

i mean, i dont mind helping noobs tho

[finite imp]

Honestly it helps ME learn moee

More

[frank ether]

I think if r*con ever gets a change regardless of the outcome this chat will lose its shit

[pulsar radish]

the recon isn't meta, but id say it can DO work lol

[near shore]

well, i sometimes go to low lvl to help noobs, give tips, a few times ive open a VC here for noobs

[pulsar radish]

if they buff it by 1% id be happy lol

[scarlet smelt]

onslaught is like mandatory for recon

[serene sage]

wait a second

[finite imp]

Hello this vet support who may I ask am I speaking to

[serene sage]

guys why didn't they just exterminatus the black stone fortress to save Cadia?

proof that Cadians are dumb

[polar kayak]

wut?

[serene sage]

if I was there I would just shoot a big bomb at the fortress and win the war

[serene sage]

it shreds armor in some sense

so it's good for recon

[finite imp]

Makes sense

[junior needle]

I'm attempting to resist the urge to post it

[finite imp]

We should just exterminatus everything thh

[near shore]

lazer dont do shit vs armor, onslaught fixes that

[polar kayak]

the blessing?

[junior needle]

The talent

[near shore]

vet perk

[finite imp]

The man

The legend

[junior needle]

It gives brittleness on repeated hit

[finite imp]

I need to reread that talent

Sounds good on ciag

[near shore]

its like 2.5% brittleness per hit, stacks 16 times

goes to 40% on max

[polar kayak]

the chicken man!

[junior needle]

It is, ciag actually has unusually big damage disparities between min and max faloff

[serene sage]

you think it's crazy but the one thing I appreciate from Chaos Gate is like near the end, the Inquisitor is like "we are under attack from chaos ship, we have exterminatus bomb, why don't we shoot it at them?" and the people think about it for a little, and you can decide to actually exterminatus the enemy ship

like

it makes too much sense

the imperium is just dumb lmao

[finite imp]

Is CIAG worth running on the right tree

[terse idol]

This is certainly a star wars light jump moment

[drifting oak]

it's worth running period lol

[polar kayak]

o, ya thnx. ye i think i had a build with rending and rending and onslaught with lasgun

[terse idol]

(Why didn't they just exterminatus the black fortress)

[pulsar radish]

Ciag defo is strong lol

[serene sage]

free onslaught on the way so why not
im not sure if i would go stealth with it though

[near shore]

personally, wouldnt waste my time with the 10% rending

[serene sage]

fucking right?

[drifting oak]

you don't even need to go rending on hit tbh, you can do a middle cornerstone build that eschews it and it still slaps

[junior needle]

ciag would be worth running gray and with no talents

[terse idol]

[serene sage]

Cadians are dumb

[terse idol]

Too by the book

Maybe that's why they didn't think about that

😭

[drifting oak]

i don't like the CIAGs much because fucking horizontal recoil but sometimes you need to delete 6 ragers in one magazine before they cross the room

[scarlet smelt]

brittle on shots up to like 25%

[junior needle]

40%

[near shore]

i thought it was 40

[polar kayak]

wait does that mean you want no rending or 10%, 20%, 30% ?

[finite imp]

What's ciags fav blessing

[junior needle]

the recoil gets worse if you move so the trick is to scoot and shoot with your dodges

[drifting oak]

nah, the horizontal deviation is horrifically random

[near shore]

well the issue is theres 2 node for it, marksman focus and the 10% node. max 20% assuming u have 10-15 stacks of marksman focus

[drifting oak]

when ADSing

[drifting oak]

i can shoot ten ~10 round bursts at the psykanium pillar

and every burst will end up in a different spot on the pillar

after you fire about 10 or so rounds ADS'd the kick stabilizes but i don't want to have to shoot a good portion of my mag just to get the recoil to settle

[polar kayak]

would you only go for 20% rending minimum or is rending trash?

[polar kayak]

mad, i want this dumdum

[near shore]

rending is good! but its so low it doesnt do anything when u can take a node for 40%

[drifting oak]

it makes killing head-peeking shooters and gunners such a pain in the fucking ass

and downright uneconomical

[junior needle]

The thing is that exterminatus munitions are expensive and valuable compared to regular ship to ship ordinance, and also most projectile based weaponry has a high chance of missing in space.

[near shore]

because u have to have 10+ stacks for the other 10% which is another perk point

and beside the free 10% is a 20% to large targets

[serene sage]

🤓

[drifting oak]

I don't think either of you guys understand how rending works

so I'm gonna link the telopots video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIxOjj28cuE

[junior needle]

Rending is very, very good, as it not only affects negative modifiers but also ranged falloff. On top of giving bonus damage over 100% albeit at a reduced rate.

[drifting oak]

wait, since when did rending counterbalance ranged falloff

that's hilarious

I thought it only counteracted the armor reduction

[near shore]

ya, but id say if ur taking it u sould have onslaught with it, or ur already suing an anti armor wepon making it pointless for 10%

[polar kayak]

thank god its not like a 20+min long video

[drifting oak]

10% rending actually does a decent amount of work on multiple weapons

[polar kayak]

i mean thank emperor

[near shore]

examples?

[drifting oak]

i have an mg12 build for vet where 10% rending on the mg12 is the difference between one-taps on scab gunner scab heads versus not

[white minnow]

damage falloff is implemented using armour damage modifiers, resulting in this 400iq interaction

[drifting oak]

affects hits to kill on flak ragers as well and turns carapace damage from "literally nothing" to "minorly something" way more than you'd think

[junior needle]

ya, but id say if ur taking it u sould have onslaught with it
If you're talking about rending strikes, both is good. Depends on the gun but there's very few weapons that wouldn't actually want it.

Automatics can do both

Single shots only do rending strikes

[near shore]

this perk

40% vs 10%

[drifting oak]

i've tried using onslaught on the mg4

[white minnow]

an insane example of this interaction is the ogryn's rumbler, where the damage falloff from the center of the explosion is done using ADMs

[drifting oak]

it's pointless

[junior needle]

It's not great on infantry lasguns or laspistols

[near shore]

someone pull up the recon laz video

[drifting oak]

is THAT why having rending-on-elite-kill on ogyrn is so nuclear for explosive weapons

[near shore]

its good on fast wepons

[drifting oak]

I had no idea

[white minnow]

yup

highly sane and well-intended interaction of course

[near shore]

good luck getting through armor on recon or auto wepons without it effiectively

hold on ill get numbers

[drifting oak]

I said on the mg4
The mg4 infantry lasgun
it's the fastest firing of the infantry las but still not even close to fast enough to reasonably stack onslaught up

[junior needle]

Onslaught is not valuable on single shots or low fire rate/high damage weapons for practical reasons

[near shore]

because u wouldnt use it on that

when i say fast, i mean fast

bullet hose

[junior needle]

But the talent is very good for automatics

[near shore]

here lemme get the recon laz

[junior needle]

You can literally double your dps to maniacs on a 6d with rending strikes+onslaught

Because it has a giga shit maniac modifier

and shit modifiers to other armor types too

[near shore]

with onslaught

[polar kayak]

ok so would u guys want a build with marksman focus rending, the 10% fixed rending all weapons, and the brittleness onslaught perk?

[junior needle]

Don't bring in all the temp damage boosts, that fudges the numbers

Here, one sec

[near shore]

i can do it dry

[drifting oak]

please don't, I'm sensitive

[near shore]

nothing but dumdum

[junior needle]

No no no, here's a gray comparison

[near shore]

onslaught active

[scarlet smelt]

crit blocked the dps number