veteran-class

[balmy flume]

Although I will sing praise to the high heavens for the MG IV/Ia ACOG scope for counter sniping work.

[tiny summit]

Your headshots with MF stacks will cut kills down a shot or 2. It's funny seeing mutants like dropped across the map

[frank ether]

you'll just spam shots at a horde and get 10 stacks of MF

[nimble sentinel]

shock troop 4 lyfe

[tall torrent]

It’s technically a holographic sight

[frank ether]

nearly instantly

[balmy flume]

Ah holosight thanks

[tall torrent]

Both laspistol & infantry lasgun use holographic sights

[tiny summit]

That scoreboard I posted was Exe MF MG4

[strange grove]

I love shout too much

[balmy flume]

I guess it depends on level of play…on Damnation there are enough specials that I don’t have ammo issues in general.
Then again, I do switch to Chainsword for horde hacking as well, so you do have a point.

[frank ether]

just run shout MF then

you dont need exec

its trash anyway

[strange grove]

Aren’t ACOGs 4x holographic sights with day/night illumination?

[balmy flume]

I live and breath on Executioner stance :p

[tall torrent]

DT optic sights aren’t 4x

[balmy flume]

Feels most shooty of the three skills

[tiny summit]

The true path

[balmy flume]

Which is what I am meant to do…

[tall torrent]

I wish exe stance was as fun as scryer’s gaze

[strange grove]

Yea but a small scope would be nice. Vraks and MGXII

[wispy hinge]

Scryers gaze is very funny

[balmy flume]

If you run Exec stance with IAG you can just delete shooter hordes like the old release days lol

[tall torrent]

Vraks autoguns’ iron sights zoom so much they might as well have scopes

[nimble sentinel]

also true. I'm playing auric-damn and while it is very possible to stay ammo positive with an IAG, I can play a whole game with a lasgun and minimal melee without picking up any ammo and staying in the white. I like semi-auto

[strange grove]

Scopes aren’t even illegal per the lore either

[nimble sentinel]

I still miss running around with my agri brauto being literally unkillable

[balmy flume]

Ah ok, yea, auric Dam does require a more stringent ammo control level.

[balmy flume]

I just stack up on all the Toughness damage reduction tree nodes nowadays lol

[nimble sentinel]

not with a lasgun it doesn't

[tiny summit]

You know whats funny? Popping sciers with an illisi with exorcist and basically being near zero peril for the entire horde

[balmy flume]

And the one that makes me immune to suppression

[balmy flume]

True XD

[tall torrent]

Scryer’s Gaze is just a more fun version of exe stance

[nimble sentinel]

I ain't playing vermintide with guns, I'm playing left 40k dead

[frank ether]

fixable with mods thankfully

[strange grove]

Feels like it. The next enemy type better be xeno

[balmy flume]

Genestealer cults when lol

[tiny summit]

I turned on crosshairs while ADSing with weapons like IAGs. Since holding down the trigger throws off the sight and actual cone of fire

[nimble sentinel]

saaaaaaaaaaame, they ain't stealin my levi's

[celest vine]

never

tzeentch or khorne most likely

[balmy flume]

Works for me too TBH

Come to think of it Tzeentch more likely.

[nimble sentinel]

alternatively:

[celest vine]

tzeentch mutations are fucking insane

[balmy flume]

Due to Tzeentch hating Nurgle.

[serene bough]

Now if only we could get our hands on xenos tech

[celest vine]

its ridiculous how bad tzeentch mutates his followers

[next slate]

they have fun

[celest vine]

orks would be cool as well

[nimble sentinel]

to go into realsies for a moment, genestealers does make sense. Atoma had political instability already and if anything is going to accelerate a genestealer uprising it's gonna be nurgle trying it first. Now or never type of thing. It also explains why there wouldn't be any space marines or SoBs, shadow in the warp making Grendyl work with what's readily at hand

[celest vine]

lasguns for example are fully capable of killing boyz

[tiny summit]

Just give me something else to cave the head in

[celest vine]

in like 2-4 headshots

[balmy flume]

I mean we ARE on a Rogue Trader’s conscripted ship, surely there would be some secret xenotech armoury on board…
Tau pulse rifles, Eldar Shuriken rifles, Kroot version Lasguns that have a special swing attack…
Or heck, imagine AdMech guns

(Sure AdMech guns supposedly leak radiation but we are dead prisoners anyways.)

[tiny summit]

I hope the enginseer in the comms is a slight tease for more admech stuff for us

[nimble sentinel]

I do agree tho

[balmy flume]

I mean, GSC also brings new guns for us to play with too.

[terse idol]

Look look Commisar, we have the right of trade

[tiny summit]

Reminding me of that art of a guardsman about to slap the ass of a I guess a sister of silence? (Idk enough 40k lore)

Everyone memes up heresy in the imperium but so many things are always looked the other way

[balmy flume]

Also worth remembering we have a mysterious 5th class in the future.

[tranquil bronze]

Goggles make everything better

[balmy flume]

And we know officers are now under Vet

So it won’t be an officer class.

[balmy flume]

Nice Hive Ganger feel, moreso than the actual Hive Gang drip lol

[terse idol]

I love applying my own rules

😌

[wispy hinge]

I wish there were more outfits to make you look like a tweaked out Crack head

[balmy flume]

That is the beauty of 40k setting; the scale is so huge, someone is getting away with supposedly heretical actions somewhere lol

[celest vine]

just play zealot

zealots thing is being a poor person

he straps literal scrap and slag to his body for protection

[tiny summit]

I really hate how much the earnable cosmetics have been neglected. All the prison flair outfits we get from penances get like no variations for dockets in the commissary. I like my cape with psyker. I don't like there's no color options

[hard briar]

So do we

[balmy flume]

Zealot has the weirdly widest range of drip style.
Anything from Crusading order to Pseudo military, to Rogue Trader rich drip, to actual military, to…random scraps.

[hard briar]

And so do the Ogyrns

[celest vine]

Veteran flak armor is competent

looks somewhat upkept

[tiny summit]

Only on book 2 of the Eisenhorn series. But I do look forward to more

[nimble sentinel]

I gotta finish the founding

[wispy hinge]

I really agree. I like the cape for the psyker too but there really is just the one option from the penance then nothing else. Don't get my started on psyker cosmetics in general, they're not very good at all

[balmy flume]

And for Rogue Traders (like Brahms our hostess) if their minor heresies are actually helping the Imperium survive, most of the higher ups are happy to look the other way.

[wispy hinge]

Except for that one hat you can buy, that hat is fantastic

[celest vine]

Ogryn cosmetics, earned and commisary, blow

theyre unironically terrible

[tiny summit]

I like looking like a mad max pyromaniac

[wispy hinge]

Especially the helmets, they look very not good

[celest vine]

bullgryn and krieg ogryn at least cover up most of the body

[wispy hinge]

Oh actually that one leather jacket you can get from penances is real nice

[celest vine]

krieg ogryn imo is the best ogryn got

[wispy hinge]

That one has some nice drip

[celest vine]

I love it

[balmy flume]

The Imperial Edition black Zealot outfit actually looks almost regimental. Especially with the helmet.

[tiny summit]

Fatshark could get a lot of goodwill for themselves if they let you buy the new style of cosmetic and then buy recolors with dockets. But that obviously won't make the money

[hard briar]

How do you do maintenance on a slab of armor

[celest vine]

clean it

[tiny summit]

Emprah's blessings is all I need

[celest vine]

replace broken parts as needed

[balmy flume]

Polish, clean, inspect for damage from battle and repair if necessary.

[hard briar]

You?

Repairing?

[wispy hinge]

10 dollars for gold. You wanna be a good boy for the emporer don't you?

[hard briar]

https://tenor.com/view/unacceptable-knight-father-bread-boys-crusader-gif-18266778

[celest vine]

the worst is a few chips off the armor

[balmy flume]

To paraphrase Professional Vet…
“Turns out faith is poor armour”

[hard briar]

The Mechanicus when you repair your armor
your making illegal alterations that brand you a heretek

[balmy flume]

Oh true BRB Hadron turning me into servitor XD
(But on a minor lore note, minor maintenance is allowed to be done by troopers, following Ad Mech issued instructions ofc)

[celest vine]

Cutthroat vet " the emperor can be fickle"

[balmy flume]

(Said instructions are, naturally, prayers to the Omnissiah alongside actual “how to” instructions.)

[balmy flume]

Haven’t heard that line in game yet, thanks for it though!

[celest vine]

Im allowed to replace a lense or two in my lasgun if it breaks

Actually cadians “can field strip a lasgun before they can walk”

So that type of field repair isnt banned per say

[balmy flume]

Yep.

[celest vine]

Illegally making your lasgun into a shotgun however

[south vessel]

so uhh

do y'all have a bug where your keypresses just don't register sometimes?

[hard briar]

I just defaulted it to me being washed

[south vessel]

mostly it seems to be voice of command these days

[balmy flume]

Could be connection issues as well

[tiny summit]

Las shotgun would go hard

[tiny summit]

Gib

[balmy flume]

I can imagine Hadron throwing a tantrum over this XD

[hard briar]

Grendyl and the Rogue trader Lady could get these for us

[celest vine]

How about the mars pattern lasgun?

[neat stratus]

I think thats way too similar to the helbore to be added

[hard briar]

New Expansion drops, the warpstorm passes. THE imperoum can actually send us shit

[hard briar]

Just make it full auto and hit like a Hellbore

[neat stratus]

Thats insanely op

[balmy flume]

Also some combi weapons.
Granted, maybe not Bolter based combi weapons because those are gonna be WAY too big to look sensible.
But IIRC the Accatrans are supposed to be able to support shotgun/grenade attachments.
And some Necromunda gang have Las/Melta combi guns.

[tiny summit]

Helbore is technically full auto if you let the charge time out

[hard briar]

Fatshark doesn't care, all the weapons they added are better versions of the previous ones

[hard briar]

Mg1s-mg12 are also full auto

[celest vine]

Mars pattern are skitarii used if im not mistaken

[crude ermine]

No full auto in the building

Nerrrd

[tiny summit]

Be recon and be laughed at how underwhelming you are atm or be the forgotten shredder pistol

[celest vine]

Make it a solid beam lasgun idk

[hard briar]

Shredder went from useless
To broken
To useless again

[tiny summit]

Achlys caxe

[celest vine]

My dream is a volkite based weapon but thats literally not happening

[balmy flume]

Come to think of it Skitarii is a potential 5th class.
Gadgets based, and would allow FS to just add the whole armoury of Ad Mech guns to the game…

[thick wolf]

Or basically at the floor writhing and foaming through her mask after seeing that and wanting to die

[balmy flume]

If they DO go Skitarii, I guess there is a 0.1% chance a volkite gun is included, and being locked to Skitarii.

[celest vine]

Red beam is a volkite pistol

[hard briar]

Unless Hadron can show Mars something they give a fuck about

[strange grove]

give us grav guns

[balmy flume]

Hive cities are known to have lost Archaeotech…

[hard briar]

And Hadron has voicelines telling us she asked Mars for help

[celest vine]

Beam guns go hard

[hard briar]

And she cordially tells us how they told her to fuck off

[fresh grail]

but i want ratling, just give me Bardin POV and i'm good

[balmy flume]

Ah sad lol.

[hard briar]

Dude...

https://tenor.com/view/wheret-they-at-doe-newscaster-dancing-searching-silly-gif-5037972

[fresh grail]

that rumored second hive full of jean stealers might know something

[hard briar]

I wish this rumor would die

[crude ermine]

MY JOORTS

AND MY JEANS

[balmy flume]

I mean I was talking about wider 40k lore in general but possibly 2nd hive city (even if no Genestealers)

[tiny summit]

Can't. When the game keeps teasing it

[celest vine]

Rather it be full of khorne bezerkers

[hard briar]

The genestealers would have died to Nurgle infestation

[celest vine]

Nurgle plauges are a hard kill to tyranids

[balmy flume]

Also also.
Chaos corrupting Archeotech is not an impossibility.

[fresh grail]

They do be mentioning it in-game a lot, with Morrow having fought them and the second hive. Though might all be a classic red herring

[celest vine]

They may kill all the soldiers

The plauges render the biomass unusable

[hard briar]

Because unlike what the Tyranid fan boys delude themselves into thinking, the Tyranids are very susceptible to plagues. The Great Devourer will literally have the Nids kill any infected Nid to save the rest of the group from infection

[celest vine]

Even tyranids cant adapt to it

I mean they can

Endure it even

[hard briar]

Nurgle has a whole Eldari Goddess to test his plagues on

[fresh grail]

'Tis Tyranid season at Games Workshop, it's more whether they want to go all in on it.

[celest vine]

But guess who gets the spotlight of the smelliest warp god

If nurgle wants it, he will corrupt it

The death guard is one

[crude ermine]

Just throw an apple at him

[celest vine]

And that one bioship that drank nurglites biomass

[crude ermine]

Wait no that's doctors

[celest vine]

Caused it to seizure and die

[balmy flume]

Which bishop?

[celest vine]

The doom of hesp

Basically death guard and tyranids slug it out on a planet

Tyranids win by killing all the deathguard

[balmy flume]

Reminds me instead of a 40k novel I read…about a Priest who actually didn’t fall sick, but because he became desperate to save his planet from drought, instead ended up courting Nurgle.
(…dumping an infected body into a waterway probably didn’t help.)

[celest vine]

But when nids tried to consume the biomass the one ship that attempted it withered and died

[balmy flume]

Oof.

[celest vine]

A whole bioship done

Just by consuming nurgle corrupted biomass

[balmy flume]

Tyranid getting food poisoning for once.

Hive Mind must be very confused by the experience lol.

[finite imp]

I feel like my knives don't kill fast enough sometimes

And it makes me feel sad

[balmy flume]

Knives…aren’t exactly horde clearing, TBH…

[finite imp]

SAYS YOU

[balmy flume]

Mind you, I respect you for running it…

[celest vine]

Only way for them to adapt to a nurgle plauge is to experince that

But nurgle always changes is plauges and always makes new ones

[finite imp]

Roll weapon specialist with revolver and mix a point blank blast into your melee combo to get that juicy speed boost

[hard briar]

Nids completely avoiding Catachan

[finite imp]

THEN BECOME BLENDER

[balmy flume]

…ah so that is how it works.

[celest vine]

They just straight up got killed by the wildlife

[finite imp]

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAHHH

[celest vine]

💀

The guard probably did fuck all

[balmy flume]

Catachan so toxic, even warp demons couldn’t invade it properly lol

[finite imp]

Best part is with always prepared you can do the point blank blast melee swap FOREVER

[finite imp]

Orks did it...at first

[hard briar]

NId players: the Tyranids can adapt to any scenario even_
Random fucking plants and animals on Catachan: INFINITE FOOOOOD GLITCH YEEEAAAA

[balmy flume]

Sounds like you have mastered the art of being a Vet assassin

[celest vine]

Necron destroyers probably do a huge number on catachan

[balmy flume]

Eversor candidate in the making

[finite imp]

[celest vine]

Atomizing literally every blade of grass

[finite imp]

https://tenor.com/view/run-running-fast-basketball-court-sprint-gif-16667898

[hard briar]

Necrons lost to Eldar

[frank ether]

hadron doesnt want me to use chswords I think

[hard briar]

So I can see them getting digested by fucking plants

Because even though the Necrons have super good ungodly tech

[celest vine]

Eldar teamkilled themselves into obilivan

[finite imp]

Imagine being a pack of 12 maulers and you see this dude sprinting straight at you with nothing but a knife

[hard briar]

They never deploy it

And prefer to take massive ground war Ls

[balmy flume]

Replace unyielding with Flak/unarmoured, take one of sweep or rampage…it’s good enough to entertain until you find a better replacement I think.

[celest vine]

Necrons could make catachan more livable if a destroyer cult pops up there

[hard briar]

Necrons:"I could literally move your Planet into the fucking Sun."

"DO IT THEN BITCH"-Random Imp Gaurd

NECRONS: ENTER MELEE WITH THEM NOW

[celest vine]

These fucking things are destroyers

[mighty sail]

a very special boy

[hard briar]

Necron having war winning weapons
Losing to DKoK

[balmy flume]

I guess Drukhari could theoretically take out Catachan if they stole the system’s sun.

[celest vine]

I enjoy how theyre depicted in that new warhammer + animation

[balmy flume]

And do some other Drukhari fuckery.

[celest vine]

Actual terrifying

[hard briar]

Drukhari would prefer taking the Catachans themselves

[balmy flume]

Very true. Both the Catachan soldiers, and the wildlife.

For their arenas

[hard briar]

And to torture for fun

[balmy flume]

…yea it would be extra hell for Catachan precisely because they are so tough

So they take longer to die, which is of course actually worse in Commorragh.

[celest vine]

I wish we could have a scenario where the emperor opens a warp gate in commoragh directly to slannesh’s palace

[balmy flume]

to be fair
The Emperor’s Children might be planning that already

Given they are Slaanesh’s own pocket legion

To do their bidding.

[frank ether]

no

I'll just salvage it

fuck this game

this is the 20th highroll chainsword

I'm done

[tiny summit]

Welp. This hotel wifi is a no go for Darktide

[frank ether]

%20 speed blessing lmao

clown shittery

garbo options that exist for pLaYeR eNgAgEmEnt

[serene bough]

hadrons circus strikes again

[frank ether]

no content

garbage crafting

[untold mulch]

Don't you love your upgrades is basically a

SPIN THE WHEEL OF FORTUNE

[hardy pollen]

As someone who has 0 luck when it comes to online games it pains me

[serene bough]

i almost entirely ignore crafting

once in a while ill dump all my mats into finding a new weapon mark i want to play with

[celest vine]

One more mod slot is all it takes

[serene bough]

but otherwise id ratehr not engage

[celest vine]

I dont mind locks cause it encourages getting different guns

But damn just give us one more mod slot please

[frank ether]

fatshark can go get fucked

I'm not bargaining

[untold mulch]

Is ridiculous the layers of RNG

[terse idol]

Diamante to unlock locks

Pls

[untold mulch]

Agreed, no locks, or they can go kick rocks

[jaunty sphinx]

literally make diamantine as useful as plasteel

[strange grove]

Or allow us to strip and reroll godrolled white weapons

[balmy flume]

My Chainsword just has Rampage and the Extra Bleed.

I was lucky to be sitting on a large reserve of dockets and mats

[slow spade]

they should remove crafting and make gear the purest form of RNG UwU

[strange grove]

crafing is ez, look at this

lol

[untold mulch]

No clue how that works

small pellets very fast?

[strange grove]

lower stagger

but i like stagger on this weapon

[untold mulch]

nah is bad

Stopping Power also affects armor pen

So not only less stagger

less damage to flak

carapace, and maybe to ragers?

[celest vine]

I get good luck

My sword sir

[radiant cargo]

Hellbore I : how big a deal is stopping power? I've got a handful I just bought from brunt, and the one with the highest weapon rating has the lowest damage, but the highest stopping power? does it play in a TON on the hellbore to warrant such a drastic drop in base damage?

[celest vine]

Ive had my laser pointer for months now

Incapable of rolling a better one

[untold mulch]

You csn check the stats with V?

You want both damage and stopping power high

[celest vine]

Praying for one

🙏🙏🙏🙏

I want to troll auric with terrible profane rolls and asking if im in malice

[radiant cargo]

let me make sure I understand the math in the inspection spot correctly real quick. if it says "60% [34.40 I 67.55]" the % is an idea of the multiplier the gun is getting to that category of damage, and then the two next numbers are the actual math after applying that modifier (as in, these two numbers EQUAL 60%)? or are they before the modifier (as in, you will get a result of 60% of these two numbers)?

[frank ether]

make sure to shoot all poxbursters and barrels near teammates

[fresh saddle]

you want both damage and stopping power together on a helbore

[celest vine]

Auric votekick speedrun any %

[vale ledge]

Why do people not like the mk2 hellbore-

I like the mk 2…

[fresh saddle]

i love the Mk 2 Helbore

[celest vine]

Cause helbore is janky with garbage irons

[thick wolf]

Mk 2 helbore is the bees knees

[celest vine]

Give me a reflex snd the gun becomes goat

[fresh saddle]

who wants to tell him

[radiant cargo]

that's fair, means none of these are worth using. lol. just trying to make sure I understand the numbers for comparing in the future. it almost seems like they're giving similar/same results. one because of high damage but crap power, the other vice versa

[vale ledge]

But the mk is more of a closer range version what with the quick charge and if done right never runs out of ammo with the crit chance on aiming down sight perk thing-

[celest vine]

(Still janky but thats why we love it)

[sharp ember]

it’s like a percentile scale, in your example, 0% would be 34.40 and 100% would be 67.56
and 50% would be dead in the middle of those two numbers

[celest vine]

Mods should never be concidered

[vale ledge]

AND THE BAYONET CHARGE

[untold mulch]

If I undersgood correctly

The first number is the minimum (0%) stopping power, and the other is maximum (100%) stopping power

If its says 60% thats the number for your roll

[celest vine]

Only fallout games can be expected to be modded

[radiant cargo]

ah, ok, so the [ XX I YY} numbers are the possible range of that wepon/weapon type, and the % is where this gun kind of falls?

[sharp ember]

yep

[radiant cargo]

roger, thank you much

[celest vine]

Minum value at 0%, maximum value at 100%

You can get 0% weapons

You cant get 100% weapons

[sharp ember]

maybe someday

[thick wolf]

ia lasgun is still my preferred lasgun tho

[celest vine]

Its the easiest to use

[thick wolf]

Tho I won't fault the helbore for clapping crushers so casually

And the bayonet attack

[celest vine]

And doesnt take a millennium to deploy

[thick wolf]

At the same time though I need to rely on my team more if I use it

And I'm not confident bringing it in a maelstrom mission

[celest vine]

I exclusively use MG1A

[thick wolf]

Nor in damnation

[celest vine]

It does heavy work even in auric

[radiant cargo]

ok; so this gun, rolled an 80% for stopping power, which means I'm only getting 60% effectiveness out of the possible damage range against a flack armor at near distance

etc, etc.

[celest vine]

Quickly tap the sniper or bomber then back to cleaving

[wispy hinge]

What if daimantine to unlock caps

[thick wolf]

the MG1A Lasgun?

[wispy hinge]

Finally give that item a use lmao

[celest vine]

Yep

[thick wolf]

I would use it in damnation and maelstrom more if I get a good roll

[celest vine]

Unironically a hidden gem

[radiant cargo]

so what's the difference in play between the hellbore 1 and 2? weapons swap speed, or charge speed or something?

[terse idol]

You cant get 100

[celest vine]

I said that

[terse idol]

The range then is just min 0 max 80

Oh sorry

[celest vine]

💀

[terse idol]

Stroke

[thick wolf]

I thought 2 is the more well balanced helbore

[terse idol]

[fresh saddle]

Mk 2 charges faster, slightly less damage compared to Mk 1

[celest vine]

I cant see the T in cant sometimes too

[thick wolf]

While 1 is faster but weaker or something

[fresh saddle]

other way around

[thick wolf]

I never get much luck getting the Mk 1

[celest vine]

The MG1A’s ability to quickly deploy, ding the fucking bomber, then go back to melee is unchallenged

[thick wolf]

Since the game either gives me 2 or god forbid 3

[celest vine]

Ive tried it to take out chaff hordes at range too, works well doing that

No ammo use if you use shock trooper

[thick wolf]

When it's maelstrom and the occasion damnation

[celest vine]

Can one tap dreg ragers now too

[thick wolf]

I bring on my autogun anyway

[celest vine]

Dreg rager nerf lets me one hit headshot them

Two shot scab rager

[radiant cargo]

I assume hellbore blessings to shoot for are surgical and either onslaught or sustained?

[thick wolf]

Helbores can just put Crushers to sleep

[radiant cargo]

using what perks though?

[untold mulch]

Would use it a lot more if I were better with headshots + Mauler dsmage werent so shit

[thick wolf]

I don't have surgical for my mk2 and it's already putting the work

[radiant cargo]

and is it worth putting a carapace buff on them for crushers? or are they unyeilding everywhere, also so go with that?

[celest vine]

Maulers I got a powersword for

I use weapons and grenades that compliment eachother

[untold mulch]

I like to be able to kill them when the Mauler train appears

[celest vine]

Lasgun, powersword, krak

[untold mulch]

And going melee against more than a mauler is bad idea

In my experience

[celest vine]

To be fair I have 5 shot bodyshot maulers before

Its not common

But it happenss

[untold mulch]

Fair

[celest vine]

Blessed with crits each shot

My mk6 dispaches maulers in 3 hits

[hard briar]

Plasma crits

[untold mulch]

I need to get Thrust and Decimator in a shovel

[hard briar]

[slow spade]

real vet players put Unarmored damage on their powersword c:

[fresh saddle]

On my Helbore, i like running
Blessings:

• Onslaught IV
• Surgical IV

Perks:

• Flak 25%
• Carapace 25%

[hard briar]

Fatshark should let Brautos and Plasma use deadshot

[low yacht]

Are we a penal legion?

Like the chemdogs.

[untold mulch]

Brautos cant?

[hard briar]

We are Inquisitorial Stormtroopers and Auric Level Operatives.

[untold mulch]

Only at low le el

[hard briar]

Rannic's Personel Kill Team as well

[untold mulch]

At level 30 we are warband members

[low yacht]

But we can take whatever equipment we can get our hands on.

[celest vine]

So an inquisitorial stormtrooper?

[celest vine]

Thats just the nature of atoma at this point in time

[untold mulch]

Because inquisition and we looting everything not bolted down

[celest vine]

Everyone is using what they can get

[low yacht]

So we do the same thing chemdogs do.

[celest vine]

We have no choice to be fair

[untold mulch]

But we have legal autorithy

Kek

[low yacht]

Nor do chemdogs.

They're a penal legion.

[celest vine]

Only new thing that the loyalists get is leman russ demolishers

Moebian 21st are stuck with whatever they can get right now

[low yacht]

And heavy bolters stolen from a heretic.

[untold mulch]

We get caught, we go inquisition business fuck off

[celest vine]

Theyre a full guard regiment

[hard briar]

No one has a choice dude

[celest vine]

This

[hard briar]

There's only one dude that Matters in the Imperium, the Emperor of Mankind

[celest vine]

Traitors, loyalists, heretics

All using what they can find

[low yacht]

Penal legions are still soldiers they're just criminals recruited into the military.

[hard briar]

...sometimes...

Sometimes they're just criminals sent on suicide missions

[untold mulch]

Yes but no

Penal legion in práctice are different

In use

And all

[celest vine]

Lvl 30 characters stop being just penal legionaries

They become inquisitorial guardsmen and the such

[soft blade]

byeah

[low yacht]

I mean the veteran was apart of another unit, and has training so they're a soldier in training.

[soft blade]

you get inducted to the warband

[celest vine]

Dialog doesnt change cause fartshart is lazy

A few deck operatives talk better to you though

[low yacht]

Veterans are often traumatized, but they all remember their training.

[celest vine]

Cutthroat.mp4

[untold mulch]

Our veterans with dialogue show they have fought their fair share of BS

[soft blade]

yeah

[untold mulch]

Not veteran of fought a no name xeno on some planet

[low yacht]

It's criminals and discharged soldiers.

[soft blade]

being a guard veteran you have seen some serious shit

[untold mulch]

Veteran in the

I knife fighted an Ork last year

[celest vine]

The cutthroat is a kasrkin, professional is some sort of officer, the loose cannon idk

I dont play loose cannon

[untold mulch]

Gremlin

LC is a gremlin in every sense

[low yacht]

Kasrkin the cadian stormtroopers.

[untold mulch]

[celest vine]

Yes

Cadian versions of scions

[hard briar]

So were the Ogyrns by voicelines

[untold mulch]

Some people forget that Guard Veteran is basically full on action movie feats to survive

[soft blade]

yeah

[celest vine]

Id like it id the reason the cadian vet has his volley fire ability is cause of the leftover kasrkin augmetics

Thats my headcannon anyway

[low yacht]

All veterans are survivalists or lone wolves at heart. Catachan isn't special.

If you aren't a survivalist you're just dead.

[soft blade]

guardsmen get very little leave so essentially you’ve been shuffled around from hell to hell for years

[celest vine]

Catachan guardsmen also have an ego the size of a baneblade

[untold mulch]

[finite imp]

cant wait to take leave so i can go back through the warp and go crazy on my way to see my loved ones again

[celest vine]

Does lead to some funny moments

[soft blade]

cadians or catachans i sleep

[untold mulch]

Elysians

[soft blade]

i wanna see goof ball ass regiments

[untold mulch]

[celest vine]

Like kroot demolishing a regiment of catachans

[low yacht]

Loved ones you are probably never seeing them again.

[finite imp]

Krieg

[final stone]

Oh you'll see em again

[finite imp]

Krief are the goofiest of them al

[final stone]

Likely before the war is over too

[celest vine]

Next week!

[low yacht]

Kasrkins make Catachan look silly.

[soft blade]

Krieg are smelly

[final stone]

Krieg are boring

[low yacht]

Krieg are stoic soldiers.

[jaunty sphinx]

JESUS CHRIST. REMOVE GRIMS.

[celest vine]

Overdone due to fan obsession

[untold mulch]

Krieg are Krieg

[jaunty sphinx]

ok thats my rage for the day

[soft blade]

Steel legion > krieg

[finite imp]

not talking to me for a month and then jumping on a grenade to save me? that's goofy ahh

[soft blade]

mostly because i like the yellow coats

[celest vine]

Dead end klast 4th reappearance when?

[low yacht]

So is ultra marines.

[soft blade]

but also because mechanized infantry is awesome

[final stone]

The trench gas masks, cool no argument

But god damnit

Can we stop with the fuckin poop shovels

please

[low yacht]

Armageddon literally has better gas masks

[celest vine]

How many times has dead end klast re appeared? 4 times at least right?

[untold mulch]

I wish for the Drop Troopers

Jumping out of a perfectly good plane

[celest vine]

In the shop

[untold mulch]

Right into hell

[final stone]

OH SHIT NEW COSMETICS TODAY YEAH?!

[low yacht]

Steel Legion are cool

They just have cooler gas masks.

[soft blade]

steel legion are my favorite aesthetically but i’ll always have a soft spot for Tanith and Tallarn

[tender rose]

yus

[hard briar]

Steel Legion were the OGs and Krieg used to be just a pallete swap

[final stone]

[soft blade]

although tallarn are close

[hard briar]

Time to rebuy the Chemdogs

[final stone]

Awwwwwww

[hard briar]

[jaunty sphinx]

krieg as we know them today didnt become the way they are until they became forgeworld's personal baby

[celest vine]

The seige of vraks missiled kreig into popularity

[hard briar]

Yup

[soft blade]

krieg got overdone into the dirt

[celest vine]

Imperial armour volume 4-6 can run you 400$

[low yacht]

The Vraks Militia are cool.

[soft blade]

i’m so sick of seeing krieg everywhere

[celest vine]

three books

400$

Just cause “vraks” and “death korps”

[low yacht]

Almost like there was penal legions and several militia on vraks.

[hard briar]

Something about only losing less men than ww1 or 2 but still taking a planet right?

[celest vine]

Granted its hard cover

Vraks was just one city

[terse idol]

well because it's that whole transcends the meme book for sure

[low yacht]

Vraks is the world.

[terse idol]

Which folk forget

[celest vine]

14 million deathkorps to take one hyper defended fortress

[hard briar]

Yea

[terse idol]

That Krieg isn't suicidal

[hard briar]

They seiged the world

[low yacht]

Krieg are stoic and disciplined not suicidal.

[celest vine]

No theyre just unafraid to do what must be done

They wont charge a gunline for no reason

[celest vine]

Theyll charge a gunline to capture an important bunker

[untold mulch]

Guardsman life is the Emperor currency

You spend as needed, but dont waste it

[hard briar]

Pick which Vraks

[low yacht]

They would use artillery first to soften up the enemy.

[celest vine]

Prime

The titan duals on vraks were cool tho

[low yacht]

You have to use your life, go scorched earth on heretics, or xenos.

If you are to die you have to just drop you lasgun as krieg so they can salvage your weapons.

[celest vine]

The most valuable thing on atoma right now is the factory

Producing leman russ tanks

[low yacht]

Factories are probably damn important.

Leman Russ Punishers?

[celest vine]

Demolishers

Not sure if any other varient is made there

Definitely seen demolishers in game tho

But moebian iron is like 60% stronger than normal leman russ hulls

So ig thats the real reason we are even fighting there

Cant stop production on slightly stronger battle tanks

[low yacht]

Tanks are also good for bombing enemies defenses, and fortifications.

[hollow ibex]

60%? That's a lot more than I expected

[celest vine]

I cant remember the actual precentage

[hard briar]

Atoma alone provides fucktons of Tanks for the Imperium and these Tanks are stronger than usual. Which, counts.

[celest vine]

Hadron says it in the repair mission

[hollow ibex]

And definitely very substantial

[low yacht]

A stronger hull makes a whole difference. They might be steel coffins, but they are useful.

[hard briar]

Pretty sure it's 6%

[hollow ibex]

Oh lol

[celest vine]

Its double digits

At least

Still

Extra effective armor for no added weight

[low yacht]

You think it's minimum but in a military sometimes the slightest changes makes a whole difference

[terse idol]

honestly the absurdity of 6% is very onbrand for 40k

[serene sage]

are these the tanks used for novels when the Imperium is the main character?

who produces tanks for when the Tay is the main character though

[hard briar]

Probably

[hard briar]

Mars if I had to guess

XD

[serene sage]

Tau* but somehow Tay is funnier

[serene sage]

doing the Mechanicum dirty i see

[hard briar]

The mechanicum do themselves dirty

[serene sage]

Also, there is c*m in Mechanicum

so that makes sense

[low yacht]

Not even Chimeras?

[serene sage]

Chimeras are smaller tanks no?

[hard briar]

Chimeras are IFVs aren't they

[celest vine]

Humans are plentiful

Tanks are not

Ans the moebian tank can handle more damage

Simple as

[serene sage]

kinda my impression as well
i think of them as more transports than tanks

[hard briar]

As far as killing enemies go, Ogyrns> Humans. It's why you see Commissars not talking harshly to Ogs

[low yacht]

Chimeras are tanks.

[hard briar]

Chimeras are not

[low yacht]

They're a APC not a IFV.

[tender rose]

ur a moebian tank

[hard briar]

The Chimera is the standard armoured personnel carrier (APC) of the Astra Militarum and its chassis is the basis for a large number of other Imperial armoured vehicles such as the Basilisk artillery and Salamander scout vehicles. The basic Chimera is equipped with a Multi-Laser but can also be outfitted with a variety of other heavy weapons, such as Twin-linked Heavy Bolters, an Autocannon or a Heavy Flamer.

FYI, APC makes it even less of a tank

[low yacht]

But they're amphibious vehicles, and can go places leman russes cannot.

[celest vine]

https://youtu.be/3OdzrUVpJWI?si=Cl7PoHmk6g7pOKzh

[serene sage]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3y9J-03WaQI&t=372s

whatever this thing is

[celest vine]

Salamander armored transport?

[serene sage]

it's a chimera

[low yacht]

Their versatility to hostile environments, and are good at several roles. They have serious ap capabilities.

[serene sage]

this is probably a Leman though

wouldn't you agree?

[hard briar]

100%

[radiant cargo]

hellbore was pretty fun, when the 2 ogryns in the game weren't blocking my shots so expertly they almost had to ahve been tryi9ng to. lol

[hard briar]

Don't Astartes have thier own vehicles?

[celest vine]

I love the leman russ

[serene sage]

rhinos?

[celest vine]

I wish it was shorter and longer tho

[hard briar]

Thanks

[low yacht]

This is a chimera?

[hard briar]

Tanks*

[serene sage]

or storm raptor I think is the flying ones

[celest vine]

It looks so goofy as a smushed close thing

[hard briar]

^also chimeras

[low yacht]

Yeah compared to a leman russ it's very different.

[serene sage]

yeah looks almost identical

[low yacht]

Their gun is different even, and the tracks on them are designed differently.

[serene sage]

to be fair, gun turrets in 40k can be swapped out

part of the list building part of the table top game

[celest vine]

Now if atoma made baneblades id be interested

[serene sage]

so a tank can have wildly differnt guns/turrets

[low yacht]

Yes but the overall body design is pretty obvious.

[serene sage]

yeah

[hard briar]

This is also a chimera

[serene sage]

I think you're a chimera

[hard briar]

[radiant cargo]

he might be

[serene sage]

im not calling you fat

[low yacht]

Chimeras are probably support vehicles

Basilisks and Chimeras are mostly support vehicles.

Leman Russes are full blown tanks.

[hard briar]

Yes they are

[terse idol]

Is there even an IFV in 40k

[hard briar]

Believe it or not
Tanks are just infantry support

[hard briar]

Yes. It's a camera with a cannon

[celest vine]

Fucking hilariously you can tell the baneblades armor stats were written by a guy that has no clue about tanks

[hard briar]

Chimera*

[low yacht]

Basilisks are used for bombing fortifications and trenches.

[celest vine]

Baneblades fron armor is 200 millimeters

[hard briar]

And if you can't get chimeras or tanks to support the infantry

[serene sage]

OMG OMG DARKTIDE REFERENCE

OMG

[celest vine]

A modern M1 abrams has 480 mm

[hard briar]

You send fucking Ogyrns with autocannons

[low yacht]

You use mortars.

[serene sage]

OMG OMG ANOTHER DARKTIDE REFERENCE

[celest vine]

The “super heavy” baneblade has thinner armor than a fucking abrams

[low yacht]

Or kill teams with heavy bolters.

[hard briar]

Or Ogyrns HeavyBolters

With*

[jaunty sphinx]

9th ed codex has some photos of kitbashed moebians iirc as well

to be serious lol

[low yacht]

I mean guardsman with a heavy bolter or hot shot is enough.

[jaunty sphinx]

YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

god the moebian 6th are so cool

[hard briar]

Heavy Bolters are 2 men weapons

[low yacht]

Is that a heretic scion.

[jaunty sphinx]

thats a gunner.

[serene sage]

oh interesting, Leman Russes have different subtypes too

[jaunty sphinx]

tons yeah

we see demolishers in darktide

[low yacht]

Well yeah they're literally Shermans in terms of how they're so modifiable.

[hard briar]

This guy is just a badass

This is how most guys carry their Heavy Bolters

[jaunty sphinx]

equally as badass on tabletop too

[serene sage]

you have Normal, Demolisher, Vanquisher, Punisher, Executioner, Exterminator, Eradicator

[low yacht]

Shermans were just a good model for supporting so many platforms.

[hard briar]

We had plenty of them so there's no reason to not use em

[serene sage]

idek what the differences are, assuming just guns

[low yacht]

It was just a platform for modification more then anything and simplistic to do such.

[hard briar]

Some of these use plasma weapons

[low yacht]

The Leman Russes are just a platform for several modifications.

[tranquil bronze]

Yay or nay?

[hollow ibex]

Based and Shermanpilled

[foggy ice]

needs Tier 4 blessing brother

[celest vine]

It came pre bricked

Nice

[serene bough]

dont forget the baneblades

[hollow ibex]

That's a good roll though 🤔

Besides the perks ofc

[celest vine]

lvl 3 blessings

[serene sage]

banehammer banesword shadowsword doomhammer

etc etc

[celest vine]

shadowsword my beloved

[hollow ibex]

Eh does it matter really

[low yacht]

Shermans are so simplistic, but their simplicity is what makes them so good as they can easily be modified to build up guns. The Leman Russ is the same in regards of that. Definitely metal coffins.

[foggy ice]

yes but 2 bad perks and a bad modifiers

[hollow ibex]

T3 blessings are perfectly fine

[low yacht]

Perks are easy to replace.

[serene sage]

love me some heavy infrantry

[low yacht]

Just make another weapon and steal the perks off it.

[hard briar]

Loves heavy infantry,
Won't main Ogyrn?

[hollow ibex]

The base stats look decent and perks can just be swapped

[serene sage]

fuck em

[hard briar]

Oh your one of those degenerates

[hollow ibex]

T3 blessings are perfectly fine

[hard briar]

[serene sage]

not like that UwU

[low yacht]

You cannot change stats, but you sure can change perks.

Just takes awhile of grinding out weapons to steal their blessings.

[hard briar]

I keep this one small exert from Dark Apostle on me just incase astarte fans shit talk Ogs

[foggy ice]

agree to disagree

[hard briar]

Ogyrn lifts a fucking CSM over his head and slams them

[rain badger]

any good?

[hardy pollen]

I like ogryns as friends but I wouldn’t want to be one

[low yacht]

Ogryns with good leadership are scary a commisar backing up a ogryn.

[hard briar]

I'd love to be an Ogyrn

[hollow ibex]

.5% more crit chance won't make or break a weapon

[hard briar]

I can eat everything.
Most things that want to kill me can't.
And I enjoy doing almost everything

[low yacht]

Wouldn't want to be a heretic being grabbed by a ogryn.

[hard briar]

Same Ogyrn

still csm

[hardy pollen]

“If there’s a bully, it’s a ogryns job to stop em”

[hard briar]

Imagine you just joined the Chaos cult and you see CSM terminators

[low yacht]

Ogryns are badasses and just built like bears.

[foggy ice]

Do you even math? tier 3-4 fo crucian roulette adds up to 4%, hand canon adds 10% rending

[low yacht]

Ogryns are made to brawl the enemy and tear them apart.

[hard briar]

And then those same terminators just get lifted into the air and tossed like limp noodles by a loyalist Ogyrn

[hardy pollen]

Again i personally would love to have a ogryn as a friend but not to be one myself

As cool as it would be to be the size of one

[tranquil bronze]

Am happy

[low yacht]

Ogryns tearing apart heretics.

Ogryns are fun to play.

I have a bullgryn build.

[hard briar]

The adopt an Ogyrn program, hosted by the Astra Militarum.
Does your unit have lots of heavy things to lift but too many lazy sods to lift it all quickly?
Look NO FURTHER!

[hollow ibex]

Bro. Not everybody in the game has 500 hours and an unlimited stock of t4 blessings in the game just waiting to be swapped in. If not having a t4 blessing fucks you, consider playing better.

Guns a perfectly fine purchase

[hard briar]

At the same time, id rather have a tier 4 blessing

[foggy ice]

Where did I say it fucks me? I just said it's a no for me the gun is no good, cause you can't ahve tier 4 blessing + Perks

[hollow ibex]

Well I would too unless I'm handicapping myself

[hollow ibex]

Not taking about you. This was never about you.

[hard briar]

I releveled my vet way back in the day.
And I must admit. Being lvl 10 in 15 lobbies and still being the only useful person sucked ass.
Not having blessings to make my weapons kill things sucked even more.

So go for the tier 4 blessings

[low yacht]

To be honest perks are also good based on your play style. The thing about darktide there is no one true way to play.

[hollow ibex]

Go for it but it shouldn't stop you from acquiring perfectly fine stopgap weapons

That's my point

[low yacht]

Tier 4 are okay and all.

[hollow ibex]

If the guy needs to ask whether a gun is worth buying from milk, he prob doesn't have a bunch of t4 blessings lying around

[low yacht]

Melk is good for perks but to be honest Brunt is just better.

[hard briar]

Dude if The gun doesn't have near perfect stats and both tier 4 blessings or perks I want from Melk, it isn't worth a buy

So much of Melk's options are just not worth a damn

[low yacht]

Sometimes the blessing is worth it.

[hard briar]

Sometimes

That is the nice thing about Melk. He may have a blessing u just can't roll

[tall torrent]

melk's garage sale usually isn't worth but when it is it's super useful

[low yacht]

But brunt has better blessings on weapons.

[tall torrent]

just harvested pinpoint target IV on ogryn's grenade gauntlet today, 3.1k well spent

[hollow ibex]

I usually use it for rare blessings myself

Don't buy much else from milk

[tall torrent]

also I collect stuff so

[hollow ibex]

But if there's a new weapon that I don't have and want to try it out

And I see an ok one at milks

I'll buy it

[low yacht]

You are sounding like a certain necron.

[hollow ibex]

Gambling at hardon would prob take longer

[hard briar]

Nah

Always gamble

[low yacht]

I got a pistol with surgical

[tall torrent]

Took me like 27 helbore lasguns to finally harvest no respite IV

[hollow ibex]

Man this is why I live with t3 or wait for milk

Simply don't have the time for grinding that much plasteel

[tall torrent]

Granted I’ve spent at least a few million dockets just buying low tier stuff at brunt’s to collect blessings

[bitter turtle]

Honestly

[hollow ibex]

Dockets aren't a problem for me really, it's just plasteel

[bitter turtle]

I'm so demoralized from farming with my rashad

[tall torrent]

T3 vs T4 usually doesn’t matter in difference enough

[bitter turtle]

1 (one) damage off

[tall torrent]

Rashad min-max is so cancer I went DC7 instead

[hollow ibex]

That's what I was saying earlier and some dude got upset at me

[tall torrent]

I just straight up gave up and godrolled a DC7

[bitter turtle]

This is literally 1 point off in first target

[frank ether]

DC7 is nice but unlike rashad it requires some amount of braincells to play

[rigid pilot]

What breakpoint is this

[tall torrent]

Ngl that sword might have the most complex atk combo in the game

[hard briar]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-gif-766857345458198993

[bitter turtle]

sec let me get the pic

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/ebdef14eb8ed5beb455e952675bb3b5b.jpg

[frank ether]

I like it on my left tree vet builds, problem is I rarely play that nowadays

[bitter turtle]

and yes this is with bm4

i tested it bm4

[rigid pilot]

Obscurus FS

[bitter turtle]

with the mod

[tall torrent]

That might give DC7 a run for its money in terms of complexity

[rigid pilot]

Can't you compensate with headtaker or smth

[bitter turtle]

shred is locked onto it

so either way

[rigid pilot]

F

[bitter turtle]

i have to waste

points grabbing 10% melee

[tall torrent]

1 point into 5% melee prob?

[frank ether]

F

[rigid pilot]

Yea

[bitter turtle]

already took it

[tall torrent]

Oh gg

[bitter turtle]

and finesse too btw

[rigid pilot]

Play agile engagement

[tall torrent]

That’s just unfortunate

[frank ether]

normally what I like to do is

[bitter turtle]

if i take agile then i already wasted pts getting 10% lol

[frank ether]

agile engagement + headtaker

[bitter turtle]

this is to avoid getting 10%

[tall torrent]

Rashad really is the endgame of all endgames

[rigid pilot]

Yea just change the whole build to melee

[neat stratus]

Not Bloons TD teaching you that strong economics is the key to a strong defense 💀

[rigid pilot]

Fake zealot let's go

[tall torrent]

I’ve also realized

[bitter turtle]

only other option I can think of

is grabbing fire team

[tall torrent]

The top 4 best melees for vet

[neat stratus]

PS6
Shovel
Shovel
Shovel

[bitter turtle]

but V3 ammo economy isnt good enough for fire team

[rigid pilot]

New chainaxe actually

[tall torrent]

Power sword is blessing farm nightmare
Rashad is min-max nightmare
DC4 and DC7 both have disastrous blessing pool

[rigid pilot]

Is really good

[bitter turtle]

if i had to recommend something easy to build

for newer ppl

[rigid pilot]

Not like peesword good though

[bitter turtle]

it'd be folding shovels

[tall torrent]

Shovel is fun but I wouldn’t consider it the absolute best just cuz it doesn’t clear hordes that fast

No cleave blessing and no BM

[rigid pilot]

Shovel doesn't have high damage cleave?

[tall torrent]

No not rly

[rigid pilot]

I feel like I'm not damaging anything past 4 targets

[tall torrent]

U can compare to DC swords with rampage

Very noticeable difference

[neat stratus]

Nope, shovel on top

[rigid pilot]

So light spam actually clears faster for shovel

[bitter turtle]

not super high, its just passable

light spamming with shovel w/ skullcrusher

[tall torrent]

It’s just enough to be ok

[rigid pilot]

Yea heavy is a trap

[bitter turtle]

but you notice a big diff compared to weapons that actually horde well

its a good all around weapon that is easy to make tho

[tall torrent]

If I ever have enough resources to spare I wanna get a DC7 with Skullcrusher + rampage

[foggy ice]

I never see anyone with DC

[tall torrent]

But that’ll prob be a few more million dockets in the sink before I get one that’s close to what I have rn

[serene sage]

well then call me a fish cause im taking that bait

[rigid pilot]

It'l just clears slower

And it might not even be safer honestly

[bitter turtle]

well im on mk3 so at best i can alternate heavy/light

[rigid pilot]

Darktide running attacks are whack

[serene sage]

you know

I really hope Helldivers do well

more horde games = good

[rigid pilot]

How's the starship troopers game doing

Assuming I never heard anything I assume it's on life support

[serene sage]

still pretty very early access

last I heard

not a lot of contents going on

[tall torrent]

It’s prob cooked on PC

It has like a malware-grade anticheat

[serene sage]

does it?

[rigid pilot]

Idk so far the trailers haven't told me what the game is about

[tall torrent]

Once u install it u can’t uninstall unless you use a special tool

[serene sage]

then again I don't really care about anti cheat stuff

[tall torrent]

The anticheat stuff

[rigid pilot]

Is it a wave based defense game or smth

[serene sage]

okay I take that back

[bitter turtle]

lol

the fire team thing

hit me with inspiration

https://i.gyazo.com/0ddfc493b27873ca7f762d22d0d22db9.jpg

[rigid pilot]

Fire team pog

[bitter turtle]

i can actually run rashad/v7 now

thanks to fire team

and ppl said its useless 😔

[rigid pilot]

Yea you could have taken the melee and speed aura instead

[bitter turtle]

oh wait no

[quartz stream]

what's the best horde melee besides power sword?

[bitter turtle]

im missing 1 pt still

god damn

[quartz stream]

I hate having to constantly activate it

[rigid pilot]

Pure horde Dclaw

[quartz stream]

which mk?

[rigid pilot]

Mixed horde peesword

Nothing is as brainless as peesword

Some like 7

You can try 7 first

[hollow ibex]

Heavy sword better but not on vet

[quartz stream]

I just hate reactivating the psword over and over again

[hollow ibex]

4 is the default pick for dclaw

[rigid pilot]

4 is johnnytwosweeps

I rather have a strikedown

[tall torrent]

nProtect Gameguard

Ancient anti-cheat, can’t be removed from your system by uninstalling the game, and requires a special tool to be removed from ur PC

Also devs are giving u access to that special remove tool when u buy the game so you can remove the literal malware that comes with the game lolol

[quartz stream]

I have a god-rolled plasma for everything but the horde

[hollow ibex]

For horde clear 4 is still the best imo

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/adfd6ac391e69ef42fcc67c76a98396c.png

[quartz stream]

currently using a chainsword, but it's not the greatest for the horde

[rigid pilot]

Wait this makes no sense

[bitter turtle]

literally 1 pt off from taking determined

[rigid pilot]

So you can just remove the anti cheat and cheat anyway

[tall torrent]

No, you have to log into PlayStation network and have the anti-cheat installed to play the game

[rigid pilot]

Chainsword is decent horde clear

[quartz stream]

yeah it's decent

[serene sage]

V7? Time to ditch Duty and Honor

[quartz stream]

just not great

[serene sage]

Or take Krak

[rigid pilot]

It's balanced weapon

[quartz stream]

and I have the original chainsword, not the new mk

[bitter turtle]

gross 😔

[rigid pilot]

Take smoke

[tall torrent]

Ngl I still don’t vibe with Mk13g chainsword

[bitter turtle]

well

i guess i could take krak

[rigid pilot]

The new one? It's really pointless

[bitter turtle]

bulwarks are really annoying for v7

[rigid pilot]

Might as well run chainaxe

[serene sage]

or dicth duty and honor

[bitter turtle]

i know im gonna hate that the moment a silent poxburster jumps on me

[jaunty sphinx]

What do I want on knife for vet? Been meaning to try it out I'm getting tired of braindead chainsword play

[bitter turtle]

lol

why does krak underhand throw not magnetize

[rigid pilot]

Remove Deadshot maybe

What gun you using

[hard briar]

Because kraks have honor

[tall torrent]

Light atks can’t cleave through enough bruisers to activate rampage and it doesn’t have easy access to a heavy sweep

[bitter turtle]

precog/uncanny

[tall torrent]

It’s never been this over

[hard briar]

Underhanded throws are lame

[jaunty sphinx]

Thanks!

[bitter turtle]

on v7? hell no im not taking out deadshot

[rigid pilot]

The strikedown heavy damage can't even compete with the new chainaxe lol

[bitter turtle]

id rather just cope without suppress immunity at that point

[tall torrent]

Btw wanted to ask

Can DC heavy sweeps cleave enough bruisers to proc rampage

[rigid pilot]

Easily

[tall torrent]

Mine is 9.4 cleave on heavy I think

[tall torrent]

That’s good to know thx

[rigid pilot]

Bruiser is 3...?

3.5?

[tall torrent]

Scab bruiser 3.5
Dreg bruiser 2.5

So as long as I have >7 cleave I can hit at least 3 of them

Good to know

[quartz stream]

left or right?

looking at the value ranges, cleave damage at 65 doesn't seem all that bad, while cleave targets at 80 is a noticeably higher value

[torn moat]

Devil Claw is terrible at Cleave target to begin with. You'd need a blessing to compensate for it to begin with.

[tall torrent]

As long as u can cleave through 3 bruisers to proc rampage/savage sweep I’d consider cleave target good enough

[junior needle]

You can't do so with lights unassisted

[quartz stream]

what are the ideal blessings, then?

[civic knot]

quick Q: might mercy killer + uncanny strike work well with the talent that applies 1 bleed stack per hit?

[bitter turtle]

yes its ifne

[tall torrent]

Rampage is usually a must-pick
Savage sweep / wrath / shred

[bitter turtle]

but uh

you sti8ll want uncanny

uncanny + mercy is an alternative to uncanny+precog

[civic knot]

cool

[bitter turtle]

uncanny is just really good

[civic knot]

and what perks to run?

[bitter turtle]

you dont want to lose it

[quartz stream]

thanks Hadron

[civic knot]

which one of these 2 should i change to carapace?

[junior needle]

Not sure I'd pick carapace on a knoife

[civic knot]

hm

[bitter turtle]

honestly

[torn moat]

I'd pick Maniac over Cara.

[civic knot]

then wot

[junior needle]

You aren't running max stealth uptime zealot so probably crit for maniac or unarmored

[bitter turtle]

i'd say knife is relatively flexible

for perks

at least

[civic knot]

and what 2 perks are best for knife?

[bitter turtle]

you dont NEED maniac since it oneshots most maniacs and you dont really want to engage ragers with a knife

its not terrible though

focus on getting the right blessings more tbh

[raw steppe]

Flak/unyield/maniac/cara are all ok

[junior needle]

Yeah if you're shooting maniacs you don't need it on your melee weapon

[torn moat]

Best? Just depends on what you want to do. Unyielding, Maniac, Flak or Unarmored are all good on knife.

[civic knot]

Which perks to change?

[quartz stream]

usable, then?

[raw steppe]

Delete imo

Lacerate flesh tearer