veteran-class

[hollow ibex]

Yeah

[tiny summit]

yea

[hollow ibex]

I just started taking the camo node for consistency

[tiny summit]

camo > 15 stacks

[hollow ibex]

Fr

[terse idol]

I will say it's not thaat complex, Camo does make things more consistant for sure

But you'll usually always have the 10 stacks

[agile forge]

yeah, I wouldn't run 15 stacks

not unless we get like a tower defense survival map or something

[neat stratus]

So I remember I heard camo got a change, what exactly does it do in update 13?

[tiny summit]

camo before was literally being like invisible standing still. camo now is a node on MF that gives stacks while crouching or standing still

been playing with MF on graia iag because I like its handling more. I like it

[agile forge]

how does graia differ?

[neat stratus]

I remember the old camo, so its basically the same sort of threat reducer but it's a node on MF now?

[agile forge]

I hesitate to make weapons that are less favoured

[terse idol]

No

[agile forge]

it's nothing to do with threat reduction now

[terse idol]

There's no threat red

[tiny summit]

slightly higher damage per bullet, slower fire rate

[terse idol]

Yuu

[agile forge]

it's just a modifier for a keystone now

[umbral scaffold]

Graia has almost the same magazine with a slower fire rate

[agile forge]

which is a keystone that basically nobody uses

[tiny summit]

its less raw dps than columnus. I like how it handles more

[neat stratus]

oh so its nothing like camo pre-update

[umbral scaffold]

It's really nice to keep shooting shit

[hollow ibex]

It’s not too bad tbh

[agile forge]

I actually really like how it feels

rapid fire guns feel really powerful when you're at high stacks

[tiny summit]

I will stay a Exe MF enjoyer

[agile forge]

but it's hard to argue with the utility of the middle keystone

[tiny summit]

I will spam Exe MF uploads

[agile forge]

executioner stance just makes me sad

miss god mode

[tiny summit]

it is, which is why I think both focus target and VoC were mistakes

[agile forge]

Focus target isn't too bad, I think it's just people need to experiment with MF (and I think weapon master has a few people using it for revolver at least which is nice)

VoC is way too good though

compare with psyker shield

[tiny summit]

problem with focus target is that its the no brainer choice. You were tagging before, and now turn every tag into a free pinata

MF at least requires headshots, positioning and certain weapons to really make use out of it. Weapon Specialist at least requires kills to swap back and forth. Focus Target...is literally free

[neat stratus]

We aint stoppin nothin 🗣️

[tiny summit]

I want a max dmg minimum stopping power helbore. The most buttery smooth 50cal

[neat stratus]

Literally just blinds targets

[tiny summit]

stopping power should like be funny and affect ragdolling the enemy

[light ore]

the real problem with focus target is that nobody has modded out the special skull that floats over enemy heads and obscures the sniper who's 50 meters away

[terse idol]

I've played so much lasgun MF recently I keep noticing that gunner necks turn into rubber on headshot

[neat stratus]

Melk told me we aint even movin 🗣️

[upbeat geyser]

How about this thing. It has good base stats but I at the minimum need to change the blessing because I don't salvo and that means I can't have flak or maniac because I can only change one perk

[neat stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/watch-yo-tone-mf-gif-25743722

[tiny summit]

eh, I think salvo isnt the worst thing to have. Idk how many columnus' you have, but if you wanna pull the lever, see if you get dumdum, and then change either 1 blessing and 1 perk or both perks

[upbeat geyser]

I'm a shout guy so I don't know how that works

[tiny summit]

flashlight gaming

[tiny summit]

salvo has a per gun kind of CD but its like in between the bursts of fire when your recoil resets

[light ore]

it's very brief CD on iags

but generally better on agri than columnus imo

[tiny summit]

I think most gamers can learn a lil bit of trigger discipline

[light ore]

well it's just that so much of the columnus' damage is linked to it's crit strings and fire rate

that you're incentivized to put out as many bullets as possible

the other thing to consider is that apart from dumdum, iag blessings are all kinda not great

[tiny summit]

true

[upbeat geyser]

do we know how many bullets of columnus for it to amount to a volley

[light ore]

so i would prioritize the raw damage output gotten from ideal perks

[tiny summit]

shame that fatshark cant make utility blessings interesting and useful enough over dmg

or just delete dmg blessings

[light ore]

the "close range" qualifier on the blessings really hurt

close range is really, really short

[halcyon zephyr]

seriously, close range is point blank

[light ore]

and yeah i wouldn't mind if they just got rid or reworked the damage blessings

dumdum is only good cause it's bugged to not be short range iirc

[tiny summit]

terrifying barrage may be cool if it suppressed in an aoe on killed target instead of aoe off close range. Im probably close enough that the enemies have swapped weapons or being suppressed. Itd be cool if I killed 1 gunner and the entire line of them across the room were shook

[light ore]

on most weapons i find suppression to be actively harmful, but a columnus might be the exception

[frank ether]

well ''close damage'' is a pathetic joke

it also plagues braced autos

they also made speedload blessing into close damage kills for whatever reason and its so baffling

[light ore]

didn't they half the range from 16m to 8 at one point?

[frank ether]

like why do you want me to use a gun at 7 meters

[rigid whale]

im getting a lil better with the helbore

[frank ether]

who thought this was fine

this is utterly stupid

[rigid whale]

instead of missing entirely, i just fail to hit the head but still do decent damage

[frank ether]

its so stupid I would get banned off this discord for speaking how I feel about how stupid it is

[zealous wyvern]

more training and you will hit the heads

[light ore]

it is baffling

[neat stratus]

So MF says nothing about dodging

[late hatch]

simple solution. use mouse to move cursor over the enemy head /s

[neat stratus]

Does this mean that can be my method of transport if I really don't need to move that much?

[frank ether]

I think it might still be 16 for some guns or so I was told

[tiny summit]

stay on the true path

[frank ether]

but I dont know

[light ore]

test it in psyk, but i think dodging still loses stacks

[tiny summit]

you can crouch dodge

[neat stratus]

Figures

[rigid whale]

what

[tiny summit]

stay with the helbore

[neat stratus]

So you get to move, you're just limited on how

[light ore]

just fight while permacrouching

[neat stratus]

That sounds horrible

[frank ether]

crabwalk

[neat stratus]

[light ore]

be the darktide spycrab

[rigid whale]

marksman's focus is weird but getting and staying at 10 isn't too bad if you're hitting heads

[frank ether]

I think

MF is still better than exec

because I can just throw two points on my voc build to get it

[light ore]

just take camo, it is absolutely trivial how easy stacks are with that talent

[rigid whale]

i'm using a build with both

[frank ether]

I just take MF+camo on certain voc builds to juice the gun a bit and not think too hard about playing into it really

[light ore]

this is the way

[frank ether]

its not as big of a commitment as exec

I think its exec that sucks rn

[tiny summit]

take camo and think of it more on positioning. You'll get stacks when you can, when you can ADS, you're probably in a position to not need to move a lot and just reap the extra dmg. Im still working on it but yea, during a game of darktide, there's plenty of moments while ADS, that you're just unnecessarily moving

[frank ether]

as in exec bonuses are good

[sleek nest]

When is Death Korps build coming back?

[frank ether]

actually really good

dare I say

underrated even

on some guns

but uh

[light ore]

yeah, like even in a lot of melee combat, while your instinct is to wiggle, you don't have to

you can just stay still and dodge when you're about to get hit

[frank ether]

^

[terse idol]

Exe working worse on slower guns, exe being better for automatic weapons

Pain

[frank ether]

exe's problem is upkeep and ranged only grindset

[light ore]

but ultimately, don't worry about it too much

[rigid whale]

i think my helbore build takes the rending talent on marksman since i can't get rending strikes or onslaught

[frank ether]

it should have one downside not both

[rigid whale]

of the 3 keystones, it's the one that feels the least like you need to think about it when you use it

[terse idol]

Eh

Weapon spec isn't too complicated

[frank basin]

Make Exe stance auto reload weapon and equip ranged weapon and I will play a lot

[frank ether]

like either let people swap to melee or make exec on like a really short cooldown akin to zealot charge so people use it as spammable weapon swap key

[terse idol]

Kill a few, swap when you need to

[tiny summit]

I mean...you can

[terse idol]

Exe needs to last abit longer imo

[light ore]

weapon specialist can be quite involved if you're using it to it's full potential

[tiny summit]

Ive done it during that absolutely shitty night of Exe MF Recon

[rigid whale]

got no Points!!

[frank basin]

5 second isn’t enough then 8 second

[tiny summit]

debating if I should upload that vid

[light ore]

but i dunno if i'd call it complicated, mostly just a muscle memory thing

[tiny summit]

it was horrible

[frank ether]

I think its power is fair given how adhd the gameplay loop of it is, for ranged power that is

[rigid whale]

it's funny how you actually benefit from the damage bonus of exec while using the helbore's bayonet

i use my ult and start thwacking

[tiny summit]

I want fatter bonuses for Exe and not be "oh...well thats over" when I pop it against a monstronsity using anything that isnt bolter or cowboy revolver

[frank ether]

I dont think it buffs your bayonet damage

[light ore]

really enjoy weapon specialist, but i also like weapons where i qq cancel after every attack

[frank ether]

I might be wrong on that

[light ore]

which not everyone enjoys

[frank ether]

all I know is bayo kills will refresh exec

[rigid whale]

i tested it in the psykh

it's like sliiightly higher

[frank ether]

fair, it wouldnt be the first time helbore bayo has cracked interactions

[tiny summit]

think thats due to exe giving weakspot dmg

[rigid whale]

altho notably i think i'm using the mk1 helbore since that's just what i have

[frank ether]

oh yeah

[rigid whale]

not sure what helbore is considered the best

[frank ether]

thats right

its weakspot dmg not ranged finesse

that'd make sense

[tiny summit]

personal choice

[light ore]

i think the answer is "not 3"

[tiny summit]

mk1 - standard

mk2 - fast

mk3 - hard

[frank ether]

I still use 3 the most

[tiny summit]

but mk3 has shitty bayonet

[rigid whale]

so it's like the same relationship as the shotguns?

[tiny summit]

Im gonna make a mk3 soon

[frank ether]

I think most of mk3's perceived problems boil down to exec being kinda stinky

[tiny summit]

eh shotguns all have their own spray and special ammo

[light ore]

3 is hardest hitting slowest right?

[frank ether]

yep

it also has the shitty bayo

[tiny summit]

helbores are just different ratios of charge rate to dmg and 3 having a shitty bayonet

[rigid whale]

I can't imagine id like that one much considering I also don't like the fire shotgun

[frank ether]

as opposed to stabby OP bayo

[terse idol]

Which is wacky

[light ore]

i guess the thing is, with mf at least Mk1 already 1 taps most elites

[frank ether]

mk1 absolutely is the more practical weapon

I run mine with flak-elite if I remember right

[terse idol]

Ahh

[frank ether]

one shotting flak rager lmao

[tiny summit]

like I think the mk3 bayo wouldnt be that bad but its animation and swing speed is like a civil war readying stance of "READY! AIM! SWING!"

[terse idol]

Like, I felt like exe and MF work on not-high powered options, like the lasgun

[frank ether]

mf is something you can throw in a build and forget about

[terse idol]

Yeah I guess

[frank ether]

yes the way you gain/lose stacks is bullshit

[light ore]

real ones go weapon specialst helbore for deranged melee gaming

[frank ether]

but you can just say fuck it and not play the crabwalk bs at the end of the day

[terse idol]

Its the issue that MF and Exe can really give you a hit of overkill damage on single gunners

And I think thats bad

[tiny summit]

I think the way to gain/lose stacks is completely fine. I think the scaling on stacks and the node options are kinda ass

[rigid whale]

I like using the slug shotgun with exec since it's way easier to hit weakpoints with it lol

[frank ether]

no

you can go wrong

so easily

with ranged power

MF shouldnt be stronger

[tiny summit]

no kill like overkill with 400k dmg and 200k overkill

[light ore]

at some point, more damage just isn't doing much

[frank ether]

if it lets you reach a few more breakpoints thats fine and thats all it should probably be honestly. its the way you gain/lose stacks thats silly

[light ore]

and while i haven't run it personally, i feel like exe stance mf would reach that point

[serene bough]

stacks shouldn't decay when ADS, thats what i say

[rigid whale]

i would really like if marksman's focused just worked off of time instead of draining while walking so it didn't encourage bad habits, but meh

[hard briar]

Sometimes I miss camo expert

[light ore]

would really prefer it if it was just "lose stacks on miss"

[tiny summit]

that'd be acceptable considering you can crab walk. Allowing crab walk but not ads is kinda silly

nah I do like mag dumping infantry las and iags

[light ore]

or maybe even "lose 2 on miss, 1 on bodyshot"

to tune down the interaction with ciag critdumping

[frank ether]

I think alternatively they could tune it on a per weapon category basis when adjustments are needed

[tiny summit]

think that would then need more stacks for wiggle room. I dont think having a skill punishing you and removing buffs on miss would be any better

[light ore]

with maybe a graceperiod for headshotkills

[viral wraith]

worth the melkbucks?

[tiny summit]

there is already a grace period of not losing stacks while moving

[terse idol]

This is the best option

[frank ether]

I think one problem with the lose stacks on miss/bodyshot idea is exec demanding constant kills to feed it cooldown

but uh

thats an exec problem

[serene sage]

yeah dude go for it

[light ore]

yeah, i'm saying apply a similar concept to the hypothetical "lose stacks on miss thing"

to make it slightly less punishing

[tiny summit]

1% reload and 10% rending at 10+ stacks are bad jokes though imo

[dire lagoon]

How does hi intensity shock trooper damnation compare to normal Auric Damnation?

[frank ether]

I really like your idea, I'd be on board with it

[zealous wyvern]

it would also make the marksman ability actually reward marksman play instead of rewarding spraying bullets everywhere

they really didnt think that one through

[frank ether]

I just think vanilla sharpshooter build having like two tunnel vision hyper focus upkeep abilities is a bit too much

and then deadshot on top of that

[tiny summit]

the 10% rending? bro theres a always on one in the middle tree!

[serene sage]

pretty comparable
Auric stuff just doesn't give you breathing if people are downed I think

they are the same for the most poart

[light ore]

dunno tho, a purely timed based system might work, mostly just wanna get away from tying it to movement, cause that's both a) universally reviled, and b) a big source of confusion for players who dismiss the keystone out of hand or end up crabwalking the whole match

[tiny summit]

just tell me to "use focus target dummy" while you're at it

[rigid whale]

i wish you could see the charge of the helbore without ADS

[frank ether]

It also promotes the problem of vet players refusing to use their melee

[serene bough]

could also be reworked, 5% rending every 2 stacks would be a good start

[frank ether]

because sharpshooter design promotes not using your melee even if your life depends on it lol

[light ore]

i dunno, it's complexity, but it's opt in complexity for players that like it

[frank ether]

or moving much in case of MF

[dire lagoon]

just had a deathless team run on quick play HIST damnation.. magical when you get a team that actually works together.

[hard briar]

I wouldn't spend melk bucks because it needs a blessing change and both perks.
But other than that it's ok

[light ore]

you can always go brain dead plasma focus target if you want

[frank ether]

I think I would agree with this take before P13 but right now its just a worse scrier's gaze.

[tiny summit]

yea you do get those random "this was smooth" games

[viral wraith]

that's the conclusion I came to as well

[frank ether]

I think complexity loses its meaning the moment someone else reaps those rewards through no effort

[dire lagoon]

Nothing special but I was proud of this one.

[rigid whale]

nerf literally everything but exec stance :)

[hard briar]

Ogyrn

[light ore]

i think that's a weird point of comparison, given that scriers is an ult and deadshot is 1 talent point

[hard briar]

Nah nerf this too

[frank ether]

but there are also moments where its gunner wave after gunner wave and your team can't shoot anything so you go to town with exec

[light ore]

i do agree with this tho

big time

[frank ether]

I just dont want to be in this position where I compete with teammates

for exec kills

[light ore]

for me personally, it feels bad loading into a match with a marksman's vraks and seeing that my teammates are all running plasma

[serene bough]

still cant find a reason to ever take exe

[hard briar]

That's the nature of the game since it's a horde shooter
You are all OP af so you just compete for kills to.clear the map

[tiny summit]

I dont mind

exe fun, all the reason I need

[frank ether]

yeah plasma+exec is one of those stupid combos

[serene bough]

you can fight ranged trash without it though

[rigid whale]

i wonder if exec works well with columnus

[tiny summit]

every exe cast is my own little mini game to keep the buff rolling

[serene bough]

and still benefit from VoC and Infiltrate

[hard briar]

I've encountered too many bad Plasma players to care about other people running Plasma and this remained consistent regardless of the patch

More ammo.and kills for me

[light ore]

well, i prefer when my teammates are bad, cause there's nothing more boring than 4 competent players fighting for kills on auric

[tiny summit]

helbore: I am above your petty ammo squabbles

[light ore]

which is a product of player power being overtuned relative to the game's challanges more generally

[hard briar]

Mg12: HELLO? ANYONE?! IM STILL HERE...PLEASE HELP

[frank ether]

yeah

Its ironic

I would be stoned to death for saying exec is problematic in P12

as in ''weak''

[atomic zephyr]

i miss the MG12 being peak

such a nice rhythm once you get going

[frank ether]

I still think MG12 is the more fun one to shoot

[atomic zephyr]

i have to try it with my shout build

it doesnt work great on my exe stance one

[frank ether]

but been trying other two a lot

[hard briar]

Fatshark's player balance to challenge is literally like this
Players get gang banged by 9000 bombardiers or players spawn kill everything the director spawns.

There is no in between

[atomic zephyr]

MG1A just feels more effective

[hard briar]

I hate having to download a mod to hold down lmb

It's why I don't like using the Kant pattern lasguns

[light ore]

you can get an in between tho - there are those really great games where people are competent, but not so competent that it removes all the challenge

[atomic zephyr]

i can do it with the Ia but i cant do the IV

[light ore]

there are also duos which are probably the most fun for me

[atomic zephyr]

nor can i use the accatran laspistol

[tiny summit]

irrelevant

[light ore]

balance should be aiming to make those great in between games more common

[hard briar]

That's a degree of min max I don't care for, dous.

[frank ether]

oh yea, I missed this. Its absolutely true. But scrier has no stamina upkeep and applies to melee, something to consider. Also gives you various other buffs like %20 movement speed.

[tiny summit]

and fatshark only really ramping the challenge through more elite/special volume

[terse idol]

I will say, I still don't personally agree
Either you get exe resets or all the enemies are dead
The biggest struggle with exe is ogrynns at bad times really

[light ore]

i don't think the game's actually far off from reaching that ideal either, the stupid strong outliers are the minority right now

[terse idol]

But the game I played yesterday with 4 vets I never felt like I was losing kills to other vets

Or err

Resets

[neat stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/snow-kid-baby-sink-gif-10793731

[light ore]

just a few things need to be reigned in for the game to be in a much healthier state

[neat stratus]

The best matches are the ones where you genuinely feel like everyone is competing to be the most useful

[hard briar]

I want wombo combos to be more cmon

Like those L4D2 pvp combos people would set up.

[neat stratus]

Literally can't lose when everyone is doing damn near anything they could possibly do

[frank ether]

could it be that none of them were competing?

[tiny summit]

monstrous specialists assasinations. Either its just another tuesday with the director asleep and the boss is beatdown with little trouble or the director is out for blood sending 2-3 monstrosities at all times during the encounter

[terse idol]

🥹

[rigid whale]

it would be nice if the mutators had more variety

[hard briar]

2-3 monstrosities at a time, that's like 6 Hammer swings back in the day.
And 3 before that

[frank ether]

I agree but nerfs are scary to people

[terse idol]

Do vets usually compete to get gunner kills?
Or well I guess multiple exe vets really have big counter synergy yeah

[neat stratus]

When everyone is basically saying "nah you can kill it Im good" you can barely get through

[frank ether]

even though some nerfing wouldn't hurt

[light ore]

i just wish that monstrous malestrom was literally always an option on the board

[frank ether]

and some buffs where its needed

[neat stratus]

Usually, vets like to shoot gunners more than anything as far as I know

[terse idol]

I cannot imagine playing exe with someone with thr same loadout I have

Lasgun Ia

[light ore]

if they're never gonna let us pick missions

[neat stratus]

Snipers are even more of a target though

[frank ether]

I like scab no ammo

[neat stratus]

[frank ether]

helbore 3 goes to town on that

[neat stratus]

This thing cant penetrate anything

[frank ether]

and I can safely pick ogryn highlight

since little to no gunner

[tiny summit]

I will admit if I see another exe user, I tend to swap to VoC or Infil in the lobby

[fleet thicket]

Guys is it me

Or the old shovel is just terrible ?

[neat stratus]

Use lights, heavies arent great

[rigid whale]

the standard issue one? i like it

[tiny summit]

nah its good

[neat stratus]

Heavies are more for stun really

[frank ether]

I think all exec users at some point subconsciously realize the problem with that

[neat stratus]

Barely any cleave damage

[light ore]

it's okay

[fleet thicket]

Like for horde clear heavies got more cleave apprently

[light ore]

i think it's the second worst vet weapon after tac axes

[frank ether]

even though you could disconnect one of those two exec vets and the other could still carry the game

its a feel bad problem

[light ore]

but like, i think the tac axes are good

[fleet thicket]

From what I red anyway it goes through 10 groaners

[frank ether]

like player agency being taken away

like when an ogryn sits in front of you all game

or a plasma vet shoots things before they even come through the wall

[light ore]

"bad relative to other weapons" doesn't mean "bad relative to the challenges of the game"

[neat stratus]

Thats the most annoying thing

[fleet thicket]

I see yeah I mean I use tac axes personally think with crit build on zealot tacaxe isn't bad

[frank ether]

it gets way worse on exec too

[tiny summit]

heavies are more the wide "get off me", lights can tear through enemies with like decimator

[neat stratus]

"You're now not allowed to shoot anything because this tank is blocking your entire fov"

[fleet thicket]

I see okay

[light ore]

ogryns walking in front of me is the only thing keeping me from being a buddist monk

[fleet thicket]

Maybe my build is bad?

[neat stratus]

Once someone starts taking more than 30% of your fov they should become translucent, just saying

[fleet thicket]

I got flak/manaic with tier 4 decimator and uncanny strike

[frank ether]

doesnt matter since they still absorb your bullets

[terse idol]

[frank ether]

you can take exec to see enemies through them

[neat stratus]

And also not do that

[frank ether]

doesnt mean you can shoot em

What I like to do is

not use no pen weapons with exec

[tiny summit]

dunno. I use shovel on my exe builds and I think its fine. Ive moved on to the folding shovels because their lights do the standard's heavies job and its flip handles crushers

[terse idol]

Yeah

[light ore]

og shovel is heavies for crowd control, lights for killing, push attacks for crushers and elites

and it does all of those jobs just fine

[frank ether]

og shovel best shovel

it does everything just fine

[fleet thicket]

I see yeah what about build ?

What do you guys run ?

I run uncanny and decimator with flak/maniac

[light ore]

poke attack for stunning stuff, breaking mutant charges, pushing poxwalkers

[tiny summit]

I should try running standard again, forgot about its push attack

[frank ether]

I stopped poking muties tbh

[light ore]

it is in my mind the platonic ideal of what weapons should be in this game

[frank ether]

I cant see their head lmao

[light ore]

a little simple for my tastes tho

[fleet thicket]

I see yeah

[light ore]

i generally prefer a bit more complexity

[frank ether]

like last week or so we made a 4 shovel lobby an it was glorious

we murked absolutely everything

[fleet thicket]

I mean the new shovels are nice and all but goddam I don't know their build ?

[neat stratus]

I feel like the talent trees kinda messed up the game, made it way too easy

[fleet thicket]

Is it uncanny and decimator ?

[frank ether]

there is no situation where og shovel is useless

[neat stratus]

Group of crushers

[fleet thicket]

I think they also buffed it

Like it's heavies are sooo fast now

God I remember on launch its heavies were God awful

[frank ether]

push attack

[neat stratus]

Wait what

Those go through carapace?

[tall torrent]

U gotta understand that majority people are playing malice/heresy and can barely hold block so they don’t go down every 2 minutes

[frank ether]

shovel can kill crusher

you got uncanny blessing

and you're on a class with rending options on top

[neat stratus]

Thats fair, I just think it'd be nice for culling the idiots

[fleet thicket]

I'm a auric player tbf xD

[thick rose]

is there an inventory limit?

[placid portal]

no

[neat stratus]

Like genuinely imagine not blocking

[fleet thicket]

Nope

[placid portal]

but it'll be hell for finding what yuo want in vanilla

[light ore]

dunno if it's a bit of a meme option, but take a swing legitimately makes the push attack goated

[tall torrent]

There’ll always be dumb people no matter how hard u try and the game is in the best balance state it’s ever been rn (still room for improvement for sure)

[neat stratus]

The next, or equally the most important defensive tool you have aside from dodging

[frank ether]

with crusher packs and voc I find that good old deci-uncanny also works because you just relentlessly beat the crap out of them

[neat stratus]

Thats fair, not a single class feels weak and most every weapon can be made strong

[fleet thicket]

Tbf... try not be in situation where you have to block though like if you running a combat axe there should not be situation for you be blocking with exception of pushing a poxburster

[frank ether]

especially if your teammates are not bots and also join in with the kicking

[light ore]

that is probably more effective, yes

[frank ether]

experiencing 4 shovel vets beating the crap out of a crusher pack was the peak of my sharktide career

[neat stratus]

The recon guns are pretty much the black sheep in being pretty much unsaveable in most cases

[fleet thicket]

I dont know why people love them

Like if you really like infernus that much

[tiny summit]

laser piss goes brrr

I get it

[neat stratus]

People love trying to make the most off meta weapons good, I'm also guilty of this

[fleet thicket]

Just run kantrael iv with infernus and headhunter

[tiny summit]

at least on lower difficulties it looks like it does stuff

me too

[fleet thicket]

Like I see waaaay more acctatran players with infernus than kantrael iv players

[neat stratus]

I've always hated using the meta in easier games because I really don't need it (also these weapons tend to be the most mind-numbingly boring weapons that the devs just happen to make op)

[fleet thicket]

And kantrael iv is genuinely a menace in term of DPS

[tiny summit]

no different from low tier warriors in fighting games. difference is low tier warriors wear their trash like a badge of honor. Recon enthusiasts on copium

[fleet thicket]

You talking about low tier god? XD

[tall torrent]

I’ve been enjoying DC7 + Plasma with a support build lately

[placid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/mes-tolen-gif-11008438819486899227

[tiny summit]

low tier god plays high tiers

lmao

[fleet thicket]

Tbf I can't relate all my characters I mained have always been mid tier for some reason

[terse idol]

I can't wait till someone mods in the tf2 pan sound to the shovel

😌

[tiny summit]

Im weird. Playing white bread Ky for Strive but I wanna play Robo-Ky in +R and Yoshimitsu in Tekken

[fleet thicket]

I mained raven in tekken

[tiny summit]

or femboy chip dmg in blazblue

[terse idol]

I'd play the cat

[fleet thicket]

I mean in granblue also I mained vaseraga

[terse idol]

Forgor his name

Jubi

[tiny summit]

I need to play GBVS more. I wanna main Vira

[frank ether]

now I have to replace reaper sounds with tf2 heavy

[tiny summit]

I dont need to fix her

[neat stratus]

Like take BF1, they made the Scoped M1917, a 200 round 400 rpm or something gun the best automatic weapon in pretty much every category, and the gameplay for it is literally just holding left click and tracking targets until they die

[terse idol]

"RAN RAAANN I'M COMMIINNG"

[neat stratus]

Why are the boring weapons always the most op in shooters?

[fleet thicket]

I haven't tried srife yet just cant find character that fits me personally

[tiny summit]

"it just works"

[frank ether]

because most gamers are gigacasuals

[tiny summit]

I hate halo having the entire meta always revolving around mid range semi auto rifles

[frank ether]

that dont have the patience for intricate stuff

[terse idol]

Well

Oh my god this is gonna get me on the cod rant

[tiny summit]

[frank ether]

halo and cod are like

not even real shooters

[fleet thicket]

Like what ? I would argue helbores are probably the best guns honestly but I rarely see them xD

[tiny summit]

I love using shotguns in cod and hearing that moment of rage from the players I kill calling me slurs

[neat stratus]

I don't mean boring in the sense of "oh my god you don't even have to think", I mean boring in the sense of "oh my god you don't even have to play 90% of the game's content and using this weapon isn't fun, but it wins the game anyways"

[terse idol]

There was a cod dev out there that did math and said "it's perfectly normal to build your assault rifle without a stock and it'll fire like a laser"

And to this day that makes me so angry

[fleet thicket]

God I haven't played any fighting game in while actually need to get back to KOF

[neat stratus]

It's not like its a casual "I wanna have fun" thing, its a tryhard's "I don't care unless I win" thing

[frank ether]

you can play darktide with a shitty columnus brauto

and win

at every difficulty

[neat stratus]

Does he know math?

[terse idol]

[tiny summit]

Yea I ran no stock in MW2019 because the recoil was a joke. I think that was dumb, wasnt gonna stop me from doing it

[neat stratus]

I'm talking more pvp games, not necessarily this one

I got off track

[terse idol]

It hurts

[frank ether]

pvp games win/lose dependant on overall skill level of your individual match

[fleet thicket]

Also why doesn't anyone use mark iv kantrael seriously

It's soo freaking good xD

[terse idol]

The iv... the I've...

[frank ether]

so uh

[terse idol]

Oh because I don't run the full auto mod

[fleet thicket]

Infernus with it is so godlike

[terse idol]

I don't want to break my hand

[fleet thicket]

I got 1.6 hours into this game I run with no mod

[frank ether]

this reminds me a bit of

[tiny summit]

careful with those words now, others will call bullshit that its because of broken stuff

lmao

[fleet thicket]

Why ? Cuz mods are heresy !

[frank ether]

my hours upon hours of playing csgo

[terse idol]

You can make the 4 INSANE

With the full auto

What nooo

[neat stratus]

Generally the players that win are both good and use the meta weapons, in games with balance so bad that you can either barely get any kills relatively or get the most of them, dependent entirely on the gun after your skill is applied

[frank ether]

and the amount of hate I got for using p90 in that game

which was the low elo god tier gun

[serene sage]

Hadron has nothing on this Tech Priest, I'm just saying

Lunette actually helps out

[neat stratus]

There are some games where they're balanced enough for it not to matter much, but there's others where it'll change the outcome of the game

[tiny summit]

I just installed it this week and I was fine without the mod. But with the mod? I like being chill

[serene sage]

Hadron just eats my plasteel like a fat biatch

[tiny summit]

fires just as fast as I would be clicking but man, I think I want some more chill

[fleet thicket]

Sorry I meant 1600

[frank ether]

If you care about balance in pvp you can play counter strike

[terse idol]

Imo no

[tiny summit]

I knew what you meant

[finite imp]

bro looks zooted

[frank ether]

thats about the only game I can think of

[terse idol]

Yeah I mean csgo is honestly pretty balanced
Not alot of any customization but

[neat stratus]

Truthfully I don't mind it that much, but it definitely gets annoying when everyone is using the same weapon

[fleet thicket]

I just had mods breaking the game for some reason

[terse idol]

Consistency is king

[fleet thicket]

That's all

[terse idol]

Yeah the best

[frank ether]

there is also valorant but thats a hero shooter plagued by abilities and shit

[fleet thicket]

I dont trust this games performance at best of time

[neat stratus]

Unless of course the game is designed around direct upgrades, and everyone uses the best one of them

[tiny summit]

and tiktok e-couples

[frank ether]

I didn't say it in a gatekeeping sense, if you want mechanical skill in an online fps games in 2024

your options are

quite literally

counter strike

thats it

[fleet thicket]

I havent tried a single riot game yet that didn't want me pull my hair out of anger yet

[frank ether]

there are no others

[terse idol]

You could play CS 1.6

[frank ether]

pvp fps is a dead genre

even though its never been so popular

[tiny summit]

Plenty of skill based fps games. Having abilities doesnt remove skill. Its just different rules

[neat stratus]

Im not trying to say I don't enjoy the games if thats how its coming off

[tiny summit]

I wish for the return of quake

[neat stratus]

I prefer games based around using what you enjoy, such as this one

[tiny summit]

most games do

[frank ether]

I play battlebit sometimes

[neat stratus]

Yeah, its just the few bad apples where its "use this or you're literally throwing"

[frank ether]

and use whatever gun I like

any game will have its own meta its unavoidable

[terse idol]

Rainbow six is a good time and maybe unfortunately that's all you can ask for in a pvp fpe game now

[neat stratus]

Anyways PRAISE THE OMNISSIAH!

[terse idol]

That it's just fun

[tiny summit]

I liked making the smallest lmgs in MW2019

[frank ether]

rainbow six.. I think that game was cool but it went off the rails with hero shooter wave

[neat stratus]

I mean like meta meta, more like oeta (only effective tactic available)

[frank ether]

its more about abilities and shit than actual shooter mechanics I feel like

and its great for people who can no life it

[terse idol]

I'm on the other side which is fair

I like the goofiness

And the abilities you can use

[frank ether]

but I can't play a game where I have to know the unique gimmick of every single character to not troll my lobby

[terse idol]

Although some operators struuuggle

[tiny summit]

Only pvp fps is play regularly atm is chivalry 2

[terse idol]

Imo you can survive if you just know the angles you can shoot from

[frank ether]

thats just bad design and it will only get worse

the more operators they add

[terse idol]

Alot of good heros are pretty basic

[neat stratus]

Like in Destiny 2, unless you use the well of radiance as a warlock you're basically throwing the raid

[terse idol]

Or you just put down a gadget and leave

[neat stratus]

Thats the kind of meta Im talking about

[frank ether]

again none other than valve understands hero shooters lmao

[serene bough]

i dont like competitive games

[frank ether]

and the funny thing is

[terse idol]

Valve just

I mean

What did they make?

[frank ether]

it was a tf2 dev that came out to say they regretted adding one of the classes

[terse idol]

Oh

Ooooh

Right

[frank ether]

while all the other hero shooters are pumping out more and more classes

[neat stratus]

Ngl I play Mordhau because I got it free on epic but I've been looking at Chiv 2, is it actually that good of a game?

[frank ether]

since its a monetization tool for them

heroes in hero shooter being monetizable

thats red flag

you see that run away from that game

[finite imp]

it's a recipe for horrible balance

[neat stratus]

Absolutely, I would rather less classes but have each fulfil a specific role, rather than like 30 that can barely fulfil their roles and 1 of each class that does everything perfectly

Overwatch 2

[terse idol]

Now I will say, eh it's opinion, I do like the operators

Overwatch was a trainwreck

For money

It's sad

[finite imp]

imagine if they added new guns into DT2 every single week

[terse idol]

Because it's actually okay

[finite imp]

balance would be FUCKED

[tiny summit]

no comment on mordhau except what Ive heard or read. Chivalry 2 has a lower skill ceiling and is pretty chill and random fun. Its the equivalent of chill big rush game mode of battlefield

[terse idol]

I'd be... kinda fine for that

[finite imp]

oh yeah me too

[terse idol]

Over time I've learned to not get too heated over FPS PVP games

[frank ether]

how many operators does r6 siege have atm

[finite imp]

it's a coop game

[terse idol]

so many

[neat stratus]

So its basically just the "I want to enjoy this" version of mord

[terse idol]

And there's more

😌

[frank ether]

tell me the number

the number of heroes I have to learn in order to play this hero shooter

[terse idol]

Uh

Many are simple imo

[finite imp]

but it would clog the chat with people going REVOLVER IS TOO STRONG

[terse idol]

You don't need to learn all of em

[frank ether]

wiki says 70

FUCKING

SEVENTY

[terse idol]

depends if you're okay with 1 tricking

[frank ether]

it doesnt matter

[terse idol]

You can survive Rainbow six by just playing 3 operators

[tiny summit]

I guess. Ive heard mordhau feels a little gatekeepey but Idk. Chivalry 2 is kinda just load in and start swinging and probably try to avoid hitting teammates

[frank ether]

you dont know what your opponent is capable of

[terse idol]

Well

[frank ether]

thats just silly

[finite imp]

Chivalry 1 was so fuck

[terse idol]

This is the Moba symptomn

Over time you will

[finite imp]

fucking fun

[terse idol]

The more you play, the more you'll learn]

How many hero's are in league or dota

And over time you just kinda

[frank ether]

who the fuck is gonna sit down and learn interactions against SEVENTY different classes

[finite imp]

the community was SO fucking salty and toxic it was hilarious

[terse idol]

Know what every hero does

[terse idol]

Well you don't gottaa

Like

[unreal bone]

Damn bro kill me

[finite imp]

uh you just dont

[terse idol]

Again my background is moba's

[unreal bone]

I got an almost god rolled

recon

[frank ether]

yes, I just dont

[unreal bone]

on my PSYKER

[terse idol]

You play the game long enough

[serene bough]

i mean, if people can play league and do it people can play rs6 and do it

[terse idol]

And you'll know what every hero do

[frank ether]

I dont play shitty AAA dev hero shooters

[tiny summit]

Plenty. Just like how many people play league. Or doing homework on Tekken matchups

[terse idol]

That's okay

[tiny summit]

tekken movelists...lol. lmao even

[frank ether]

you can choose to play these games its like playing league

[rigid whale]

at least tekken players only fight 1 person at a time

[terse idol]

It seems intimindating at first, and I'm really in it for the fun factor

I cannooot play Comp

Because I'd probably break my wall

[serene bough]

i prefer pve instead of pvp

[tiny summit]

but how many moves do you actually know of your opponent

[rigid whale]

4

[finite imp]

https://tenor.com/view/futurama-fry-gif-14399997

[serene bough]

i dont like competing with sweatlords im not that good

[terse idol]

I like competing abiiit

[tiny summit]

most people online arent sweatlords

[terse idol]

Me a sweatlord

[frank ether]

I have 5 hours in overwatch 2

I lied

I tried it

[terse idol]

I mean, this goes back into a topic I think we talked earlier

[crude ermine]

WHAT

[serene bough]

perhaps hyperbole, but you get the point

[terse idol]

I play Coopetitive

Or

Casualcompettive

[crude ermine]

GRRRRRHRHRHFBDHSHSHSSHHSSHSVEHSWHSGWGSGSGWGWHSHSHSHSHSHSG

[frank ether]

5 more hours than I should have spent

[terse idol]

I'm gonna try my ass hard in casual

[finite imp]

Ya see folks? I'm like a can opener. I can get anyone to confess to murder

[serene bough]

pve the engine and game is always the same you gotta learn it, pvp you gotta evovle w/ player skill and meta to stay relevant in the competitive scene

[light ore]

i like challenge, and i feel it's more possible to calibrate challenge in a pve game

[tiny summit]

like how dudes go "I dont like SBMM because I dont want to sweat it up" not realizing they were the sweatlord twerking on a 5 year old and forklift operator who got off a 12 hr shift

[terse idol]

Oh yeah

[serene bough]

what

[terse idol]

I just hate COD

And COD content creators

[crude ermine]

Rage

[terse idol]

😌

[serene bough]

why are you angry

[crude ermine]

Cod more like

[rigid whale]

darktide versus when

[light ore]

like, in pvp your chances are way higher of it being a stomp, either by you or the enemy team

and stomps are super boring

[junior needle]

Carapace damage

[crude ermine]

Plush played ow2 for 5 hours

He lied

About no fps shooter

[light ore]

stomps can also happen in pve, but you have more options to calibrate your experience

to avoid them

[finite imp]

https://tenor.com/view/tvshow-didiojakhi-temuri-bar-cokemix-gif-19304926

[terse idol]

waaa

We should get a hero shooter group together

[serene bough]

OW is doodoo

[terse idol]

and bust our balls

😌

[crude ermine]

Wait what

[serene bough]

so 5hrs is already too much of a disservice to his time

[light ore]

easier to get the "challenging but possible" sweet spot in pve

[frank ether]

well matchmaking is a good way of calibration for pvp games. SBMM is blamed for pvp games being unfun which is honestly a psyop because no one wants to admit they are playing utter dogshit games that just become unfun when people know how to play

[junior needle]

Well if it makes you feel better the 7a is also a bad gun so you didn't miss out on much

[frank ether]

but admitting you have financed bobby's breast milk is harder than saying its sbmm's fault I guess

[terse idol]

Honestly people blaming SBMM just want to stomp and get a cool montage for their YT

[frank ether]

matchmaking, server browser, either way its fine

its a non issue

[light ore]

see, i really hate sbmm, cause lobbies were always easier ways for me to find balanced games

[unreal bone]

Anger bro anger

I want a good rolled recon on my vet

get on my psyker

[light ore]

if i load in and it's a stomp, either from my team or enemy team, i just leave and find a different lobby

[unreal bone]

see a god roll sitting in my inventory

[crude ermine]

I just do quick play because it works well for me despite the fact that being on server browsing ensures I get the map I actually want

[unreal bone]

WHY CANT THIS BE ON MY VET

[light ore]

with matchmaking, there's like a 5 minute procedure to actually get into a game

[crude ermine]

Because hadron doesn't like you

[light ore]

which doesn't even garuntee that it'll be balanced

and you can't leave

[serene bough]

i remember trying overwatch 1 when it first released

[rigid whale]

ouch

[tiny summit]

guilty gear strive lobbies sweating

[frank ether]

knowing AAA devs I wouldn't be suprised if they engineered the matchmaking to guarantee certain winrate thresholds lmao

[serene bough]

it was okay for a week then I lost my interest in the game, and subsequently hero shooters

[light ore]

i understand that most players are just looking for easy wins, but i feel like i was always honest in what i was looking for

[frank ether]

lobbies are fine

for me

[light ore]

which was, like, balanced games, even if i lose

[crude ermine]

Sometimes I find them instant or have to wait at worst half an hour once

[frank ether]

matchmaking fits if its a competitive game

[light ore]

i miss dirty bomb : (

[frank ether]

dirty bomb

[crude ermine]

Turns out I queued a dead gameode

[frank ether]

thats a name I havent heard in a while

[terse idol]

honestly

[tiny summit]

I miss it too

[terse idol]

Do gun Psyker

[crude ermine]

G-g

G-g

VUNPSYEKRR

G

[tiny summit]

warp crayon eaters

[light ore]

people are like, i get i time machine i'm killing hitler

[junior needle]

The guns are all quite bad currently, and the 7a is about 210~ dps behind the 6d at least with double rending talents baseline, even more when properly consecrated. Trust me, you aren't missing much.

Also that roll is perfectly fine, the bugged dumdum is more suitable on the 7a due to lower fire rate/higher damage making infernus have even less value than normal. Just replace carapace and the salvo with HH.

[frank ether]

the only shooter I had some fun playing in the last few years was uh.. battlebit, lmao

[light ore]

meanwhile i'm over here going back to 2017 to get that sweet sparks gameplay

[frank ether]

and that weird roblox schmovement shooter

[crude ermine]

What's bqttlebkt

Bqttlebitch

[crude fiber]

played a monstrosity mission on the investigation mission and had 4 bosses at once right at the start with shooter and special wave and we barely scraped by. was probably the most intense fight ive had in this game

[crude ermine]

Battlebit*

[frank ether]

its like

up to 250 player

battlefield clone

[crude ermine]

Oh

[frank ether]

but can run on your toaster

[crude ermine]

Eh

[tiny summit]

sometimes the director is asleep, sometimes it want to kill you 3 times over

[crude ermine]

My toaster can't even run doom

[frank ether]

it also has death voip thing so I play it to get funny reactions from people

I killed someone with a hammer and got called a rainbow six shitter

its great

[light ore]

holy shit

[crude fiber]

saw we had 2 ogyns in the pre game lobby and switched to an ammo gen build and im glad i did lol

[frank ether]

also a lot of russian screaming

[light ore]

sheer genius

[tiny summit]

MK1 having open mics during the fight is like the best thing about the game

[frank ether]

Idk what it is with russian gamers

but they get

VERY

upset

when I kill them

[unreal bone]

eh the VIIa isn't actually that BAD

I've been using a meh one all night on my vet

[light ore]

i want to see if other people make the sounds i do when they die out of nowhere

[tiny summit]

ah...russian dota2 lobbies

[light ore]

sort of an involuntary gasp shriek

[crude ermine]

Usually I make a grunt

Like

[frank ether]

the release battlebit was the most fun I had in a while purely cos of all the death voip shenanigans lol

[crude ermine]

"ACK"

[frank ether]

people dont talk as much anymore tho sadge

[light ore]

jumpscared by first person shooters

[tiny summit]

Im shy

[crude ermine]

I blame Ronald

[frank ether]

had a few instances of

[crude ermine]

McDonald

[frank ether]

listening to enemy team larping

[tiny summit]

I should probably say something more over typing

[crude ermine]

No

[junior needle]

It's only a bit better than the mk2 recon, which is indisputably the worst vet gun. It's pretty bad.

[crude ermine]

Talking scary

[serene bough]

i hardly speak on games

[light ore]

i love it when my games are filled with boomers that won't stop blabbering

[crude fiber]

say that to my face

[light ore]

legitmatly

[frank ether]

I occasionally say thanks to medic/support players

[tiny summit]

The children yearn for open mic SF6 lobbies

[serene bough]

i love socializing but gamers can be very wound up, especially whern playing

[frank ether]

thats like my one daily interaction for the day

[serene bough]

I miss halo 3 lobbies

[tiny summit]

rolling lobbies...man what a thing back then

[frank ether]

I love milsim boomers the most

they are the most fun kind of schizos in fps games

make for good farm

[rigid whale]

i'd be willign to try the recon lasgun on vet if i could get a good one

i tried it on psyker with infernus and i was not impressed

[frank ether]

I did

not worth it

[placid portal]

Kinda bad rn

[serene bough]

wish i got to experience CoD lobbies i never played CoD

[placid portal]

like so bad

[frank ether]

It did worse than deadshot marksman focus brauto to give you context on how bad it is

[rigid whale]

what is brauto

[frank ether]

braced autogun

[serene bough]

darktide games are usually quiet, with the occasional person giving advice

[frank ether]

hipfire weapon

[tiny summit]

buy like a 370 or higher when you see it in brunt shop and then dont touch it until they are buffed

[frank ether]

I love backseat gayming

[night yarrow]

only source of joy in life, ended

[serene bough]

fortunately in my 900hrs i've only had two people hardcore try and backseat game for me

the rest are usually too taciturn for me to pay attention to

[frank ether]

its not like I'm breaking their pc lmao

[light ore]

my favorite is "genuinely helpful gamer giving incorrect information"

that i get to just listen to in the background

[serene bough]

youtubers in a nutshell

[light ore]

and smile and nod

[frank ether]

what I commonly get is

[night yarrow]

had someone today say "you all need more situational awareness" after a spawn of 4 muties tossed two of us off a platform into two different corners of the map

Like, you're right generally but not in this specific situation

[frank ether]

zealot/ogy players being really upset that I'm not clearing gunner waves across the room as a melee vet

[light ore]

"please play better"

[frank ether]

like, bruh exec vet was sooo patch 12

[night yarrow]

yeh they're just salty

[frank ether]

its funy

[junior needle]

They're all very bad right now, being quite lacking in both dps and ammo efficiency. I recommend waiting for SUBSTANTIAL buffs (will likely be awhile) before wasting resources on them. Compare the bodyshot performance of a ciag (a finesse weapon that's even better on headshots) with a 6d.

[light ore]

like, again i genuinly love it when my teamates are bad

bad players do wacky shit that you have to adapt to

[serene bough]

how often do you post these comparisons

[light ore]

force you in situations outside your comfort zone

[frank ether]

I treat it like a modifier

last day I walked away from my computer

after this zealot managed to get eaten by the same BoN

3 times

[serene bough]

bad players are sometimes fun

[night yarrow]

I do love a hard carry, 1 mil+ damage versus under 200k from others, least damage taken, most revives

[light ore]

looking for a good weakspot angle

[rigid whale]

to be fair the columnus is probably overtuned right now, but yea

[junior needle]

Whenever it would be helpful to back up my points with evidence rather than a "just trust me", which is decently often.

[frank ether]

nono they were facing it sdfgkdg

[light ore]

like, worst comes to worst they all die and you get to try to clutch

[frank ether]

I guess to be fair to bad players

[light ore]

from the inside

[frank ether]

BoN is kind of a bs boss

its either irrelevant or its cancerous

with no in-between

[junior needle]

It is, but you can compare the performance to the lesser IAG's as well.

[night yarrow]

yeah but regardless, two competent team members should kill it extremely quickly

[light ore]

the trick to BoN is to leave the game and switch to bubble psyker

[frank ether]

like its not a matter of your skill sometimes just BoN spawns in a dumb place and it just vores you

[tiny summit]

he has "recon" as an alert

[finite imp]

skill issue

[frank ether]

I agree

playing darktide is a skissue

[rigid whale]

i thought the whole idea of the lasguns would be that you give up some of the utilities of bullets (stagger and better stamina/sprint) for low recoil and spread with similar damage, but my god the damage is so bad lol

[frank ether]

its ok we can have a group therapy vet chat

[serene bough]

at least BoN is a threat when mixed within the chaos

plogryn on the other hand is zzzzzzzz

[light ore]

i'm only living when i'm eating every chaos spawn grab

[junior needle]

N-no...

[frank ether]

chaos spawn grab

[tiny summit]

more meant for headshots. It is the imperium's flashlight

[frank ether]

dont threaten me with a good time

[neat stratus]

Munitorium Mk III Power Needle

[finite imp]

it just works

[serene bough]

new content at last

[tiny summit]

is a shovel a triangle knife?

[neat stratus]

It's a dirt knife technically

[light ore]

every weapon is a gun

[tiny summit]

everything is a hammer with enough force

[neat stratus]

Everything is a hammer if you use it wrong enough

[junior needle]

Yeah I'd say the balance is swayed towards autoguns currently, excepting bayonet memes with the helbores (which are a fatshark pet weapon and not allowed to be bad or get nerfed)

[neat stratus]

What about the bayonet?

[rigid whale]

i dont like the infantry lasguns, too much clicking

[finite imp]

automod

[crude ermine]

Not entclickibg

Enough

[neat stratus]

I remember when the Bayonet was practically an accessory, what changed?

[crude ermine]

Clicking

[finite imp]

i play knife so

my mouse is on life support

[rigid whale]

been trying to make raking fire work

[crude ermine]

I can already hear the clicking

[finite imp]

did you bring a rake

[crude ermine]

As your mouse cries in agony

[rigid whale]

No

[finite imp]

where to buy silenced mouse plz

[serene bough]

my mouse is slightly damaged from spamclicking

[neat stratus]

Bro we need a combat rake in this game

[finite imp]

yall want a good durable mouse get you the logitech g502 WIRED

[frank ether]

I already killed one playing this game

[serene bough]

not in the market for a mouse currently

[finite imp]

it's such a good mouse I just bought it again and the old one still works

[serene bough]

ill keep using it til its utterly dead

[finite imp]

my old g502 LITERALLY has indents in it where my fingers wore a hole in it

[rigid whale]

hey i have that, i unlock the scrollwheel when in elevators in darktide lmao

[vapid thunder]

is the krieg set paid or curios

[serene bough]

paid

[finite imp]

you and me might have done some spinning together cuz i do the exact same thing

[frank ether]

most modern rodents are more than capable for gayming anyhow

[neat stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-gif-21739282

[neat stratus]

Plasma gun:

[frank ether]

the biggest thing for me was switching to wireless otherwise this rat feels identical to old one

it even bothers me a bit that its lighter

[finite imp]

and i say "g502" check

[rigid whale]

it's especially funny when playing assail psyker since they have an equip voiceline
"targets mar-execution warr-targets marked"

[iron atlas]

Howdy

[finite imp]

What do

ghost ->deadly accurate?

[neat stratus]

Get rid of ghost and replace it with headhunter or whatever, change unarmored to maniac or carapace or whatever idk how this weapon works

Ask someone else dammit

[finite imp]

can we get someone not completely covered in clown makeup

[serene bough]

pls no i like ghost

[finite imp]

i think you might be right tho

[rigid whale]

ngl i dont care about breakpoints at all so i always make my perks reload speed, crit chance, or weakspot

i am a fiend

[neat stratus]

I think so, not entirely sure

[finite imp]

this is called being a chad who fucks

[neat stratus]

Combat pixels

[frank ether]

crucian just bad

it was tolerable back when vraks had like uh

30 something mag

[frank basin]

did the game getting bit buggy?

[finite imp]

cruician is good even on revolver so shush

[neat stratus]

Ghost is worse though innit

[frank ether]

both blessings are brick

[frank ether]

revolver doesnt get %0.5 crit per shot now does it

I'd just live with unarmored

and get that surgical/DA

[neat stratus]

Yeah tbh I think you're right, change both blessings and the perk can suffer

[frank ether]

flaks fine

unarmored Idk if it even matters

[neat stratus]

Yeah I forgot it was flak, I meant the bad one

[frank ether]

but thats also fine

would be better to have maniac

but its what it is

[neat stratus]

Wouldnt change much but its fine

[frank ether]

though I wouldnt be against crucian

if it just scaled better

[finite imp]

im gay

[frank ether]

like its outclassed by like a single tick of surgical its so bad

[neat stratus]

Which helbore has the really funny good bayonet?

[frank ether]

post laspistol or didn't happen

[serene bough]

hi gay im hugz

[frank ether]

its 1 and 2

[neat stratus]

Alr, I personally like the 2's faster charge and firing, but is the 1 stronger at that in any way?

[frank ether]

will there be any content this thursday

or is it just finna be cosmetic rotation

[serene bough]

new content would be nice

although i have a feeling not this week

[frank ether]

yea I should cease huffing hopium

[neat stratus]

Im not entirely sure but it hasn't been long since the last

I mean if you consider balancing content

[frank ether]

last content drop was the twins

[neat stratus]

I do, I mean it can bring about changes in how I play the game and thas good enuf for me

[frank ether]

I would depending on context

for example if you reworked recons right now

that would be content

[neat stratus]

True

Oh right so lucius 1 hits harder, but 2 fires faster, and I believe has a worse ammo economy but don't quote me?

[frank ether]

I dont think ammo is a problem on any of them

so just pick based on which one you think fits your rythm

[neat stratus]

Alr, I like the green so Ill go with that and see where it takes me

[frank ether]

cant go wrong with either, I prefer 1 personally if I were to tryhard

hb2 is too fast for me

[neat stratus]

Stability isn't a dump stat.. well maybe, I mean if you charge its not like you'll suffer from firing too fast lol

[frank ether]

stability is a dump stat on hb

[neat stratus]

Damage looks to be a bigger problem, I think it's high enough though

[frank ether]

this roll is good but if you want to fish for better aim to get damage/stopping power/charge rate as high as possible

[neat stratus]

This thing is loaded with laser pointers

[frank ether]

Idk if getting damage low could break any bps

but I'm assuming it probably does

[neat stratus]

Probably one of the ogryns

[frank ether]

so stick with like 70+ ideally more like 75+

[neat stratus]

Thank you hadron

[frank ether]

[neat stratus]

Hadron try not to brick my weapons once challenge:

[frank basin]

there's more player named Dickot?

[frank ether]

rip

one funny thing btw before I log off

no respite / surgical are okay for helbore 2

it shoots fast enough that you dont need onslaught

[neat stratus]

WHY IS THE BAYONET SO STRONG?

[frank ether]

lmao

[neat stratus]

Yeah, too bad I have a 1

[frank ether]

well

[neat stratus]

THIS THING HAS A BAYONET THAT HITS HARDER THAN THE CHARGE SHOTS LMAO

Maybe not on unyieldings but otherwise damn

[frank ether]

its a spear with a laser pointer attached to it

[neat stratus]

I find it weird that I could genuinely imagine forgetting my melee weapon exists lol

[frank ether]

its kinda great