veteran-class

[hard briar]

If poxwalkers weren't disease ridden you could beat them with their hands

[terse idol]

Like these bolters are as strong as regular bolters

[tiny summit]

And I'll do it again. Maybe I hit a shotgun or rager. But I felt good

[hard briar]

OH NO DAD, MY MARINES KEEP GETTING THE FLU. IM GONNA BETRAY YOH FOR NURGLE...AND NOT CURE THE FUCKING FLU

[terse idol]

Lord forbid we speak about the original bolters that units like

[hard briar]

https://tenor.com/view/soyjak-spinning-spinning-soyjak-soyjak-jazz-hands-excited-spinning-wojak-gif-25231392

[terse idol]

Death guard have

[terse idol]

?

What

[hard briar]

Biggest pussies in 40k right there and they share space with the eldar

[terse idol]

You said chaos bolters are even weaker...

[subtle schooner]

are you raging over 40k rn

[austere badger]

Oh wow you guys moved super fast. I blinked and blam.

[terse idol]

Theyre not really

[soft blade]

this is some advanced schizo ranting

[serene sage]

the death guards love mortarion as much as league players love the game itself

[hard briar]

Good

[terse idol]

I mean I could point to the nightlords

[austere badger]

My Thousand Sons disagree. Toasty bolters.

[terse idol]

They have regular bolters

[hard briar]

Mortarian is like neck and neck for most dogshit chaos primarch

[terse idol]

They just stretch skin onto their armour

[hard briar]

Literally neck and neck

[terse idol]

He's pretty cool ngl

[serene sage]

yeah but the space marines have botl RIFLES now

cause they are primaris

and they are cool

and stuff

[hard briar]

I love losing every possible chance as much as the next guy

[untold mulch]

Isn't Mortarion like treated worse than another one of the chapter that has Nurgle favor?

[serene sage]

not really? is there another nurgle sm chapter?

[hard briar]

Yea that other chapter doesn't take back to back Ls

[serene sage]

are you thinking of Typhus?

[untold mulch]

Maybe

My primarch lore is weak

[hard briar]

There's one that worships Nurgle's aspect of Death only

[austere badger]

He knows what he's about. Did you read some of the horror stories written around him?

Mortarion is a tragedy.

[untold mulch]

Look

I am not saying

but

[serene sage]

tragi-comedy

[hard briar]

Their goal is kill everything.
Nurgle trolls them by having shit spawn on planets they cleansed in his name

[austere badger]

Honestly, I blame the Space Wolves for everything.

[soft blade]

real

[hard briar]

I blame Horus being stupid

[soft blade]

space wolves SUCK

[hard briar]

The Emperor being a bad dad

[serene sage]

dude his name is Horus Heresy

[hard briar]

That one chick who helped big E make the Primarchs being a bad mom

[serene sage]

how could they not see this coming

[untold mulch]

Fr fr

[tiny summit]

Players with names like "HorusWasRight" are my favorite

[soft blade]

they should’ve just not named him that and bam crisis averted

[hard briar]

I blame the Primarchs not talking to eachother because of literal ego

[serene sage]

the one who scattered the Primarchs?

[hard briar]

Yes.

[untold mulch]

Fucked up big

[serene sage]

so called the best of humanity when they have siblings

[hard briar]

Bro imagine if you just didn't do that and literally just raised them to not be sociopaths

[untold mulch]

Too hard, let most be manchildren

[potent iris]

I blame GW making them incapable of basic forethought

[hard briar]

Like sure you can't stop Big E from using them like tools.
But fuck, you can atleast show them that they're more than tools

[untold mulch]

Its the basical, retroactively they must make them fall, so they must do something very stupid

[potent iris]

bros are scifi demigods but can't think one step ahead smh

[untold mulch]

Fr fr

[hard briar]

Neither can slaanesb, Thorne, nurgle.

[serene sage]

BuT thEy Are MaSters IN everY sTuDY Fields

[hard briar]

Only one thinking ahead is Tzeentch and that dude is looking so far ahead he doesn't see he's looking at the 1999th playthru and not play thru number 3 which he is losing hard

[potent iris]

chaos gods at least make some sense in that they're supposed to be slaves to what they are more or less

[serene sage]

maybe people in 40k are just dumb

which makes the Primarchs really really smart in comparison

[potent iris]

like tzeentch will be fully prepared for something happening 6 months down the road but forgot to pay his power bill this week and just retroactively declares "I planned this mistake!!!!!"

[hard briar]

Yes their 1 dimensionalness is literally their gimmick. Why did Slaanesh lose? coulda won if _ but they wanted to gloat. It's what they do.

[untold mulch]

Chaos by nature is very 1-2dimensional

[potent iris]

nurgle is pretty 3 dimensional idk

[untold mulch]

[serene sage]

idk, Khrone has like, one gimmick

[potent iris]

dude's beer gut be rockin'

[untold mulch]

Nurgle enjoying that width fr fr

[serene sage]

Chaos Undivided is an oxymoron though

[terse idol]

Well khorne is like

Fighting

Honor

That jam

[untold mulch]

And then

BLOOD

MURDER

[terse idol]

Skoools

[untold mulch]

GIB ME YOUR SKULL

[serene sage]

I thought they forwent that part of him

[terse idol]

Yeah

[hard briar]

Khorne is very deep when you like first join and you think omg we are so honorable. We are warriors who seek good fights lol.

And the. 3 years later you fucking realize all you've done is murdered innocent ppl who zero chance of fighting back while avoiding all real fights

[soft blade]

blood and skulls and everything nice

[terse idol]

I mean Khorne is not anything but honorable

[serene sage]

when did the fall of Cadia happen?

[untold mulch]

m41 999?

[serene sage]

i mean like irl when was that sotry told

[potent iris]

Khorne the type of mf to paste a kid and be like "to not take it seriously would be disrespectful"

[hard briar]

The Khornate Berserker after finding a loyalist school of children who haven't been evacced and were abandoned by the Imp gaurd.
"I'm gonna get so MUCH HONOR."

*revs daul chainsaws."

[untold mulch]

Actually no idea

[hard briar]

A child tries to defend himself so Khorne pulls Skarlbrand from Fantasy and yeets him at the child

[untold mulch]

Maybe Cadia Stands in 2018?

[ruby totem]

why were there like 7 hotfixes on steam today lmao

[hard briar]

Avg fatshark spaghetti coding?

Or avg valve spaghetti coding

Depends who doing the patching

[untold mulch]

check the dates

Only the latest is today, the rest is a bug looks like

Fatshark even bugs out steam UI

[ruby totem]

also hotfix #24 is version 1.2.3 but hotfix #28 is version 1.2.2

[untold mulch]

[vernal harbor]

column go ha ha

[ruby totem]

#24 is in nov and #28 was december

[untold mulch]

Gathering Storm: Fall of Cadia a campaign book of 7th edition, in January 2017 is the closest I have gotten finding

keeping track of chronology even irl is a pain in the ass

[untold mulch]

hits so ridiculous

[vernal harbor]

coherency damage buffs make it big funny

[agile yew]

One game with Plasma, dont think ill touch it again until i get the best blessings

[gaunt hinge]

i swear i just played with a guy who had the brainpower of a 6 year old

[terse idol]

You dont need the best blessings

Post your pgun

[agile yew]

I just hit lvl 30, so its the only one that was for sale

[crude fiber]

Good stats, shattering is mid on plasma though

[agile yew]

Atleast got right away decent placeholder knife, so can move fast

[round jetty]

???

[hollow ibex]

Steam layout confusing lol

[serene orbit]

on that note I can't run more than one mission in a row with plasma, else i get sleepy

[hollow ibex]

The today as header is meant only for the first one

[hollow ibex]

Once you go knife you can’t go back

[agile yew]

Yeah its problem i have on my Zealot too

[hollow ibex]

Will say that even in the mk6 the horde clear still isn’t very good

Just… meh

Still, knife is very fun

And I spam shredder which helps

[civic knot]

Is mk 3 shovel good against hordes compared to mk 8 shovel? Both of these are the special stab ones

[hollow ibex]

About the same imo

They’re both just fine against hordes

[tall torrent]

Mk3 and mk7 are similar against hordes

[civic knot]

ive heard 7 is better for hordes

idk tho

with 7, do you wanna do lights or heavies?

[hollow ibex]

L1 H2

Neither of them are great for hordes

[civic knot]

youre sure you know which shovel im talking about? cause the 7 only has horizontal heavies

[raw steppe]

blessings aren't that important on plasma

the stats and perks are

[hollow ibex]

It’s the safer combo

[agile yew]

Ok, well guess it just felt odd to use so i mostly went melee instead

[hollow ibex]

Than purely heavies

I mean you can try, I’m just saying what I ended up doing

[terse idol]

Its good enough

Hit on yellow, and see your 2nd perk

Pgun doesn't need like crazy blessings

[agile yew]

204 plaststeel, upgraded 1 curio and that knife, and its all gone 💸

[raw steppe]

it's already a very good roll

elite damage is very serviceable on plasma

[civic knot]

which of the new shovels is better tho generally? the mk 3 or mk 7?

[austere badger]

Nice, go have Hadron ruin it.

[wet elk]

https://tenor.com/view/toma-de-escupitajo-dani-martínez-got-talent-españa-escupir-tomar-sorprendido-gif-24240397

[tiny summit]

Neither. Moveset preference

[untold mulch]

I liked 3 because I think is faster with the pick attack

[slow spade]

whichever one Hadron doesn't brick first

[austere badger]

Unlike these chainswords and knives.

Give me dual chain axes.

[civic knot]

Change anything of these blessings? ill change infested to maniac or something

[austere badger]

Make each chain hit apply all debuffs.

Brrrrr

[austere badger]

Not sure what the ads breakpoints are for min hits on the non ogryn shotguns.

;_;

[rigid whale]

ok I know stealth vet is considered not very good but like

I'm confused what I should even be doing lol

stealth zealot is straight forward: go invisible, get behind the biggest motherfucker there is, boink him for big damage

stealth vet I'm just not really sure? I get behind enemies but I don't feel like I'm getting much done after I decloak (I'm using all 4 of the extra talents I should mention)

[civic knot]

what are the blessing combos for kantrael shotgun?

[austere badger]

The stealth is more for positioning, revives, the toughness damage reduction (makes you basically invuln), and the aggro reduction.

It's a save the run button. Not a kill this thing button.

[rigid whale]

ah

that makes more sense

[trim hemlock]

Typically it's No Respite + Full Bore or Fire Frenzy/Deathspitter

[vernal harbor]

stealth vet for utility, doing objectives ect.

[civic knot]

So you dont wanna combine no respite with fire frienzy?

[vernal harbor]

can be used for damage tho, it does crazy amount

to just pop in mid horde/elite spam and lay waste

[civic knot]

also why deathspitter? its a shotgun

[trim hemlock]

No Respite is the baseline, anything else I listed goes alongside

[untold mulch]

As a main Infiltrate vet

Yeah is basically I need to get OUT of here/I need to CLUTCH HARD now

[vernal harbor]

being able to do the repair mingame fully stealthed is nice in auric stuff

[trim hemlock]

It's a sidegrade to Fire Frenzy. If you don't get FF and say, roll Deathspitter, it is an alternative

[vernal harbor]

half the difficulty of the mission gone

[untold mulch]

mhmm

[civic knot]

gotcha

[rigid whale]

I wish stealth vet wasn't so expensive, like yeah you don't NEED to get all 4 talents related to it but it's also furthest from his best aura

but I guess that's just whatcha gotta do

[untold mulch]

yeah I eat 2 tax nodes for it

But I like it

[rigid whale]

I'm forcing myself to play it because I'm playing too much voice of command

[untold mulch]

Also Infiltrate can be a "damage" buff in a very indirect way

[vernal harbor]

double dipping an ammo crate with all vets would make you think the vet killed someones mom or said heresy or something

[untold mulch]

you can be hyper aggresive

in a stupid af moment/place

and a single F press makes it free of consequence

[vernal harbor]

i just use stealth for investigation/espionage missions

[untold mulch]

I do it as a pusher

[vernal harbor]

that way the headache is gone

[untold mulch]

Gunline?

[rigid whale]

I've been using stealth with a raking fire columnus to mixed results

[untold mulch]

Infiltrate

get behind

https://media.tenor.com/kU64qbPP5CYAAAAM/cyberpunk2077-edgerunners.gif

how it feels

[rigid whale]

voice of command is funny though

[untold mulch]

VoC my friend with Cutthroat runs it, and hoinestly

best VA for that

LEAVE NONE ALIVE

[rigid whale]

I use male cutthroat too

CLOSE AND KILL

[untold mulch]

CLOSE. KILL. AND DO IT AGAIN

SIR YES SIR

[rigid whale]

I don't even know what kasrkan is

[untold mulch]

Kasrkin are the "spec ops" of Cadia

[rigid whale]

ah

[untold mulch]

The average Cadian knows how to field strip a lasgun by 6 years old

Kasrkin just are shooting the moment they are walking

[rigid whale]

if I was there I would've saved cadia

[civic knot]

Hol up tho why use fire frienzy when you can have full bore and proc 20% power on anything?

[untold mulch]

Dclaw Vet would have saved Cadia

[serene sage]

Me, too bestie

[untold mulch]

just perfect parry the Blackstone fortress

[serene sage]

I will kick Abadons ass

[serene sage]

Shout vet could have staggered the fortress back, too

[civic knot]

Tell me why I shouldnt run full bore on kantrael?

[untold mulch]

Didn't a Cadian just went with his massive balls and insulted Abbadon along the lines "If you hate Horus so much, why you cosplaying like him?"

[untold mulch]

True

[serene sage]

Basically the whole planet has skill issue

[untold mulch]

It sacrificed itself to destroy a blackstone fortress 🙏

[misty quest]

If YoU cAN BreAthE, yoU cAN KILLL

[rigid whale]

I met a veteran named Ogryn today

[misty quest]

And thats how cutthroat stopped the black crusade

[untold mulch]

THE PLANET BROKE BEFORE THE GUARD DID

Amazing phrase because it is pure facts

[frank ether]

I got the karskin cadia set before even knowing the lore fluff of it

[jaunty fiber]

I just had a game where I frag grenaded a sniper blind

I feel so good right now

[untold mulch]

they go hard

[frank ether]

my only complaint is that the helmet doesn't have a faceplate

[untold mulch]

Fatshark hates the fucking faceplate for some reason

[frank ether]

its like the current cadia set but with karskin orange camo pattern

came out a few patches ago maybe u remember it

[untold mulch]

I SURE WANT MY EYES TO GET NURGLE SHIT ON IT

[serene sage]

Pure copium

[untold mulch]

LITERALLY

[frank ether]

at this point I'm just

[untold mulch]

Pure facts heretic

[serene sage]

WE FAILED TO PROTECT THE ONE THING WE WERE SUPPOSED TO PROTECT

[trim hemlock]

Kantrael has a sizeable spread - you can’t always proc Full Bore on medium distances, but that’s not really a problem if you’re mostly using it in close quarters

[untold mulch]

Planet was dying and exploding

[serene sage]

That's what it sounds like

[frank ether]

I'm just waiting for hellgun

[untold mulch]

and there was still LASGUN fire to chaos

[civic knot]

and then you want fire frienzy, right? gotcha

[untold mulch]

EVERY KILL, A PRAYER FOR THE DEAD

[civic knot]

that a cadia quote?

[serene sage]

They should have done that before the planet broke

[untold mulch]

I am mostly sure Ih eard the cutthroat yelling it

so yes

[serene sage]

That's just bad planning

I just like making fun of Cadia

Sorry

[untold mulch]

[untold mulch]

I saw it

they are overblown for sure

but the lore facts are amazing anyways

[rigid whale]

female cutthroat is a letdown tbh

[untold mulch]

I prefer more attention to the badassery of the rest of regiments

[rigid whale]

she's not angry enough

[untold mulch]

Cadia had its gloryspot

now let them rebuild and prop up other regiments

Male Cutthroat just 100/100 the assignment

[civic knot]

have u read the novel Fall of Cadia by Robert Rath?

[untold mulch]

he knew his job

[untold mulch]

Nah, I got a long list of books to go

why ?

[civic knot]

u seemed to have a similar interest in Cadia as myself! :p

thas' all

[untold mulch]

I like the overall Guard and HUMANITY FUCK YEAH vibe

I consider Cadia has been used too much

[rigid whale]

I'll never forget the Ogryn I met named I-ATE-CADIA

I couldn't stop laughing

[untold mulch]

Here Veteran

a piece of home

🪨

[civic knot]

[untold mulch]

Darktide made me love Ogryns

[civic knot]

Love me' Ogryns

Luv' me Emprah

[untold mulch]

I disliked them and was trying to reskin them for my homebrew regiment

but post darktide I went fuck it

[civic knot]

Luv' me Nosh

Luv' me CLUBBIN'

[serene orbit]

It's always fun when you get a low level in auric damnation HISTG, and they somehow lose all four (4) of their wounds within the first five minutes

[untold mulch]

'ate chaos
'ate heretics
'ate xenos

[civic knot]

i legit read all that in the brawler voice. am i the only one

[serene orbit]

it's like, thanks for giving me the heads up you're gonna be a carry. peace

[untold mulch]

I love that

the brawler has Bone'ead

but is broken af

and he knows

[civic knot]

bruh i thought everyone read it in his voice xDD!

[untold mulch]

but goes, like, "I like people to think I am dumb"

[civic knot]

I love that ogryn voice

so simple and wholesome

[untold mulch]

mhmm

[civic knot]

Luv' me Sah!

[untold mulch]

Like, Brawler legit prefers people to consider him dumb but he is very self-aware

[civic knot]

'Ate the Shoutey

[civic knot]

[serene bough]

Indoor voice pls

[untold mulch]

THERE IS ONLY WAR!!

No buff needed

[solemn cosmos]

🦇

[untold mulch]

I hear Cutthroat yelling that

I am soloing Angron

Horus Heresy would have ended differenlty if Emperor had a Hype Man behind him

[civic knot]

Best delivery of a voice line in Warhammer 40K: Darktide

[soft blade]

emperor just should’ve used VoC to refresh his toughness when he fought horus

[civic knot]

😤

[civic knot]

right?? thats what ive been saying!

[untold mulch]

Emperor should have gone with Dclaw

[civic knot]

god damn invis emprah

or exe stance emprah

[untold mulch]

nah Exec Stance Emprah got his ass kicked

[soft blade]

he should ask for build help tbh

[civic knot]

He left the match and switched to a psyker to kill Horus

skill issue

[soft blade]

i bet his psword isn’t even built properly

[untold mulch]

Look

is not his fault he has yet to find PC4

RNG is EVIL

[civic knot]

right? he's probably not even running power cycler

[civic knot]

based

[soft blade]

then he should just run a shovel or some other easy to build melee weapon

[civic knot]

warframe ptsd

[soft blade]

his RP build literally ruined the galaxy smh

[untold mulch]

20% of Systems drop

me 20 runs after

[civic knot]

fuck that shit

[civic knot]

rather have garantueed drops after certain amount of times completed

[untold mulch]

After 4 hours farming systems and not getting it

[cursive lion]

Warframe good

[gritty mountain]

I am NOT a God - 15 ft tall psychic human with full golden armour

[civic knot]

ye true i guess but biggest flaw is it's too EZ

its a cakewalk power trip

[cursive lion]

Yeah thats what they were going for tho

Not that its a good loop

[civic knot]

got tired of it

[untold mulch]

I AM NOT A GOD

Voice makes you fall to your knees, his presence is palpable

Where he is:

[gritty mountain]

nah im just a quirky regular dude

.<

[soft blade]

i’m just a normal dude - the literal emperor of a united mankind

[civic knot]

those are some really steep steps. Guess all his attempted assassinations and usurpments failed cuz people slipped

[untold mulch]

Cardio check

[civic knot]

right right

[cursive lion]

Roll a d20 for dexterity

[civic knot]

the steps to the golden throne are the real tribunal for a true emperor

[untold mulch]

fuck nat 1

[true lance]

To be fair he doesn't make people perceive him as the giant golden man, it's probably just due to his aura being so full of sigma energy they think of him as really grand and cool

[frank ether]

welp

could be worse

[civic knot]

why tf didnt he wear sweat pants to balance it out tho??

[gritty mountain]

get some beer stains on his white tank top

a kebab in one hand and a stella in the other

[civic knot]

yes

[gritty mountain]

like a true god

[true lance]

Theres a passage that has a sister of silence look at him as a tired old man in plain clothes, think it just depends

[cursive lion]

Corona >>>

[frank ether]

I'd like kebab right about now

[civic knot]

a true representation of the human form

[trim steppe]

Those wasted stats... whomp whomp

[true lance]

I like to think he looks like Blue van man

[civic knot]

huh cool

I think he can psykically change people's perception of him visually

[gritty mountain]

the lion now sees him as a frail old man wearing a crown, sat on a boat in the middle of a river full of evil fish

[untold mulch]

Didn't hear that one

[gritty mountain]

cus big e loves his trout fishin

[civic knot]

This is one of Luetin09's theories tho

[true lance]

None of the primarchs remember how he looked, they always forget certain features, his true form probably is just a tired old man, but I don't think he can turn it off

[civic knot]

based. Fishing is awesome

[frank ether]

I wish rev it up was good

[cursive lion]

Hes just eepy

[raw steppe]

it is

[gritty mountain]

I presume it was the emperor, it's in the newest lion 40k book

[trim steppe]

fr fr. Maybe one day it will get a glow up

[frank ether]

nah waste of a blessing but you're free to believe otherwise

[civic knot]

What would that make him now that 10000 years has gone by with him sitting in perpetual torture on a psykically powered throne?

[true lance]

Me waking the Emperor up from the throne

:catSHake:

[raw steppe]

pretty bad on vet and zealot

[true lance]

Failiure

[raw steppe]

but it's pretty nice on my vs psyker

where I just use the melee to go faster

[frank ether]

my psyker already got permanent %20 from scrier gaze

I havent tested if it stacks with the rev it up

but I dont think I need even more speed

[untold mulch]

Huh

[raw steppe]

permanent 20% ? more like 30% uptime lmao

[civic knot]

no

[frank ether]

I think the problem is less so the blessing itself but special action being very situational

[true lance]

Main theory is he's not really there anymore, just an amalgamation of souls, the real Emperor just isn't all there, Guilliman heard many voices when speaking to the Emperor in Godblight? I think

[frank ether]

and to make it less situational I would need the bleed blessing lmao

[civic knot]

But in the end they all converged to one

[raw steppe]

just spam it to run faster

and never use it to kill stuff

[frank ether]

dodge slides are better

sliding in general

[raw steppe]

you can do both

[frank ether]

superior way of traversal

[civic knot]

and told him "you are my last loyal son, save them" or something along those lines

[true lance]

Just schizophrenic I suppose, he said a lot of very contradictory things in those moments

[civic knot]

hm

[true lance]

He's there of course, but not in the way we knew him

[frank ether]

I tried it before and it just annoys me to no end compared to knife heavy spam

[wet elk]

GG

[raw steppe]

skissue sounds like

[civic knot]

idk I wanna believe it was real. That he mustered his only available slither of strength to tell Guilliman he loved him as a father and wanted him to carry on the emperor's dream of utopian humanity

[frank ether]

why would I want to put myself in a position where I run into something and I'm stuck disabling special attack or revving into something worthless

[civic knot]

@true lance

[frank ether]

and do it on a common basis

[true lance]

Anyone here completed that one penance with 90% accuracy and 0 ammo at the end of a mission?

[true lance]

Ye thats what happened, but it took so much effort, and he said something along the lines of "it may be the last time I speak"

[civic knot]

yeah...

[frank ether]

the special attack input isnt as snappy as something like powersword activation

come to think of it this was also my problem with thammer

[raw steppe]

Make a private game with friend, kill the bots, shoot stuff, complete mission, ez

[frank ether]

ani cancellable special activation should be more common

[untold mulch]

Though he ends the statement eith "my greatest tool, my last hope"

Honestly as a sucker for things being on the bright side I would have prefered it ending with the "My greatest son, My greatest pride"

[civic knot]

brick 🧱 no gets hot 4

[true lance]

That works?

[civic knot]

hmm

[raw steppe]

why wouldnt it work lol

[civic knot]

what he says is both things. both are true

[untold mulch]

Yep

[civic knot]

damn

warhammer is deep

and psychological n shit

super cool

[true lance]

Usually earning those types of achievments are disabled in games with private matches

[untold mulch]

Man, Guilliman was so close in the Heresy to get the W, but he arrived a few hours late in a several months siege

Poor Robust Gorillaman

[true lance]

Honestly reading his last message to Sangiunius got me so depressed

[raw steppe]

no most achievements work in private games in this game

[civic knot]

did Horus have any moment of solemness for his new Chaos ways or regret before he was dying from the emperors psychic powers?

[raw steppe]

in fact it's easier

because vet ammo aura will fuck you up

which is why you want a private game and to kill the bots

[true lance]

That makes sense, I'll try it soon thanks

[untold mulch]

Essy to check if vet hss ammo aura

Run overcharge plasma or revolver

Shoot horde

[true lance]

I think so, I don't know if it's official but that's the generally accepted story, and since the end and the death volume 3 will soon be in the hands of every lore youtuber we'll know soon

[odd sparrow]

i believe he did right before he died. But i could be wrong on that. And there's a lot of different books on the subject

[civic knot]

thats what i meant with when i said "when he was dying from the emperors psychic powers"

ik that

and youre not wrong 🙂

[odd sparrow]

ah before in that sense fair i misunderstood

[civic knot]

np

Buy?

[odd sparrow]

not sure how good antax is atm

but that look real good

[trim steppe]

antax is still amazing, rashad is just slightly better. thats a decent antax

[finite imp]

Y'know what's good

What's REALLY good

[frank ether]

It will work with some adjustment

[finite imp]

https://tenor.com/view/stinkmeaner-boondocks-talkyoshit-gif-19794325

What's REAAAALLY GOOOD

The knife

[frank ether]

you can change stamina to flak, thunderous to brutal momentum IV and all good

[trim steppe]

Hey look what Melk has for me tonight hahah. Too bad I have no use for it

[finite imp]

Need to add an option to smack the back of melks head and call him a donkey

[civic knot]

Hows it not as good as rashaad?

[frank ether]

this is why DRG is still the superior game

[trim steppe]

rashad has finesse and antax doesnt

[civic knot]

luv' me ROCK AND STONE!!!

https://tenor.com/view/deep-rock-galactic-drg-i-like-your-cut-g-haircut-dwarf-gif-9015311201921009033

[frank ether]

Melk is a leaf lover

[finite imp]

Need a mod to add rock and stone to darktide

[sharp ember]

antax does have the stagger thrust special if you’re into that, stumbles muties on headshot

[finite imp]

ROCK AND THRONE

[civic knot]

this, tbh. Secret Eldar fanboy

[frank ether]

knowing melk he probably is

[finite imp]

ROCK AND STONE
TO THE THRONE

[jolly hemlock]

melk not really playing that weapon but

[frank ether]

this hotfix was a little sus

quite a big one in size

[civic knot]

nice

[frank ether]

yet patch notes are like, ''fixed psyker hair''

[jolly hemlock]

fire frenzy good?

[frank ether]

they hiding something

[frank ether]

its good for brauto

[serene sage]

i wonder what broke this time

[frank ether]

my graia has fire frenzy / deathspitter

since its not iag you dont get dumdum so this combo is best dps

[sharp ember]

one of the best brauto blessings for pure killing

[jolly hemlock]

so its actually near perfect then

[sharp ember]

well, 1 of the only 2 brauto blessings for pure killing

[jolly hemlock]

5% missing and 1 lvl blessing

[frank ether]

I'm only speculating but maybe its just prep for FSR3

I assume they probably sneaked in some shop rotation stuff aswell

but I'd love to be proven wrong

I really liked the penance update they did earlier, if they made one like that every 2-3 months I'd be a lot happier I think

[serene sage]

Oh dear god please be true

[sharp ember]

just temper yourself when using graia brauto, you want brace as often as possible for firerate, and the low stagger value will not hold enemies back

[frank ether]

well AMD showed darktide as upcoming games to feature it

[jolly hemlock]

yea fsr3 is not a if its just a when

[frank ether]

Its more of a technical thing though I doubt it slows down content making much

its not something that demands the attention of ppl who do like balancing, maps, 3d models etc

[jolly hemlock]

i do believe most work is done by a amd team

melk always giving me the weaponsi dont play

[frank ether]

Its gonna be first time experiencing fsr3 for a lot of people so if AMD has brain cells they'd better be helping with it lmao

[serene sage]

Do you have their presentation somewhere? I tried googling but there's just too much noise

[frank ether]

knowing amd marketing though they might not have many

[serene sage]

I'm cautiously hype

[jolly hemlock]

fsr3 has framgen build in right?

[junior grail]

What are we hyping on?

[rancid shale]

Eyyy, lmao

[serene sage]

Allegedly so

[serene sage]

FSR 3

A frame gen upscaler

[neat stratus]

What about FSR 3 is so good?

[jolly hemlock]

if it really has framegen i would be hyped for the extra fps

[serene sage]

As my layman knowledge tells me

[neat stratus]

Or at least superior to FSR 2

[serene sage]

hopefully better performance

[junior grail]

No more stutter?! Oh wow

[serene sage]

No one knows yet

[neat stratus]

So its just better

[serene sage]

I'm trying to find their presentation

Cause I am interested

[neat stratus]

You know its the weirdest thing, somehow FSR 2 at higher qualities just makes the game smoother
That's frame generation right?

[jolly hemlock]

no thats upscaling

framegen is ai generated frames inbetween the real frames

giving you a more fluent gameplay

aka more fps

fps = frames per second and frame gen generates extra frames for more fps

[scarlet smelt]

when picking between the IV and Ia infantry lasguns what causes people to pick Ia instead

[neat stratus]

I know, its just that I get more fps the higher its set, when in theory performance should be the best for that

[jolly hemlock]

idk ive not used nvidia framegen since they locked it behind their 4000 series and ive not tried fsr3

[junior grail]

More damage, more stable shots for IA

[frank ether]

not the presentation but I found it in their website

[junior grail]

Been ages since I used an Infantry Lasgun though

[frank ether]

If you're using an amd gpu you can test out the bootleg driver based version of it btw

with preview drivers

[tiny summit]

Do you want spammy fire or a bit more control headshots

[scarlet smelt]

seeing the kick on a 80 stab IV I'll just do Ia

Was originally planning to try IV as a replacement to recon lasgun

[frank ether]

yea thats like the only difference compared to fsr2

[serene sage]

That's the one they said can work with NVD already right?
(I know FSR3 will support NVDIA cards, I mean right now)

[frank ether]

I think they also adding a setting where you can run fsr2 on native res

instead of upscaling

but Idk if that coming to darktide

[jolly hemlock]

aslong it works with nvidia gpus

will compare dlsr and fsr whatever gives me more frames

[frank ether]

honestly the idea of just using FSR to replace TAA without downscaling res sounds appealing to me

[frank ether]

It should

[serene sage]

Is DLSS good enough?

[frank ether]

tho I think dlss will always be better

[hard briar]

Yes

[jolly hemlock]

it would be for sure if i had a 4000 series with access to shit nvidia famegen

[hard briar]

Nvidia is better software like most of the time

[jolly hemlock]

but at this point im willing to def test out and compare

[frank ether]

fsr2 in this game is actually quite good

[hard briar]

In the instances where amd is better hardware wise, they usually go all schizo on the software side.

[frank ether]

but the game is buggy

and sometimes fsr too bugs out

[serene sage]

In general I would agree, though NVIDIA Experience is dog shit

[hard briar]

TRUE

[frank ether]

amd driver software is neat

everything packed into one app

but if you dont want to you have the option to

not have it

[serene sage]

4090 is so god damn expensive

And too big for my ITX case

[frank ether]

you can have driver only installation where you have no software at all

[jolly hemlock]

nvidia is garbage but they sadly have alot better drivers and software..... otherwise i would have already bought a amd card

[serene sage]

😔

[serene sage]

Drivers are stable for AMD

I've been using them for a few years now

[frank ether]

this is like decades old boomer hearsay

[jolly hemlock]

stable yes sure but nvidias drivers are more sofisticated

[serene sage]

With NVIDIA on my laptop

[frank ether]

It works fine

[serene sage]

I'm not sure what that means but ok

[frank ether]

you have nearly all the same features minus AI fluff

if you care about AI related stuff then Nvidia wins

like DLSS is one of those things

[serene sage]

I think if I buy NVD it would be for their DLSS stuff

But hopefully FSR3 can close the gap somewhat

[frank ether]

yeah their AI stuff is very cool

[serene sage]

RT is somehow still kinda mediocre

[frank ether]

I got AMD because it was used for really cheap

[jolly hemlock]

i would love to see fsr3 beating dlsr because then my next card would be a amd one

[frank ether]

the funny thing about RT is

[serene sage]

At least the stuff I see online

[frank ether]

low end cards will never be good at it

its too hardware intensive

sure your 4060 or whatever can downscale to 360P and then upscale with DLSS3 framegen

but like

lmao

just don't

[serene sage]

Hard to pass on $400 RX6800XT around April last year

[compact skiff]

pretty proud of this gun I finished building

[frank ether]

I took that deal at nearly half that price

[serene sage]

Damn son $200?

[frank ether]

basically saved a gpu off of the hands of a confused miner

[serene sage]

That's a robbery

Grats

[frank ether]

well the card needed some good cleaning

[serene sage]

Basically godroll

[frank ether]

I'm happy though

I would recommend looking into used market if you're in the same position

like you don't want to break the bank for a video game card

[serene sage]

FB Marketplace is actually kinda decent if you know a little bit about pricing to not get scammed

[dire lagoon]

Amazing. Does that gun aim down iron sight on right click?

[serene sage]

It's an infantry gun so yeah

[dire lagoon]

Some of them don't I thought, or are those the autoguns?

[compact skiff]

Yeah but the kick on the gun is really big

the damage is pretty goddamn juicy though

I prefer it over the colomnus

[dire lagoon]

Is it just the initial kick or the entire recoil pattern

[frank ether]

yeah I won't pretend like I'm too experienced but so far none of the used parts I've bought died on me and I've saved like, probably well over 700$ when I think about it

there is risk but with what I save I think it covers the potential bad experience

[serene sage]

Go on eBay look at recently sold items, take the average of a few
That's your price

[frank ether]

ebay is a murrican thing, more like fb marketplace and stuff for me

[hollow ibex]

There’s three classes of auto guns. Braced, which has no ads. And the headhunter and infantry which both have ads

[compact skiff]

It's the recoil pattern

It kicks up then starts swaying side to side if you dump the full mag

I don't mind it because I play a more frontline orientated soldiers with Weapon Specialist

[dire lagoon]

Like cs AK-47, just pull down hard at the start 😄

[frank ether]

recoil is rly tame compared to that

It kinda multiplies if you shoot on the move though

move recoil stats are much higher for iags

[keen sedge]

hi can someone give me a gun to use, i dont wanna use columnus rn

[hard briar]

Plasma

[placid portal]

Agripinaa Brauto

[languid scarab]

I notice this blessing has changed....
The "chained" part is just not real anymore. And the stacks persist.

[placid portal]

missing don't lose stacks?

[soft blade]

Brauto bolter and mg Ia are all fun

shotguns too

[placid portal]

Agripinaa Shotgun

[soft blade]

[placid portal]

But I'm addicted to Lawbringer Buckshot meme

[languid scarab]

Missing, or hitting another location, does not break stacks anymore.

So you can head, body, head whatever

[placid portal]

still, chain window is kidna short ye?

[languid scarab]

5 seconds now

[placid portal]

like ~2s?

nice

[languid scarab]

It's totally different than last time I checked.

No chain requirement (so text is straight up wrong), and 5s CD

[placid portal]

Minus Decimator and Chain hit on melee blessings?

[frank ether]

so no more chain requirement?

[languid scarab]

Oh i just mean this blessing, specifically on revolver.

[languid scarab]

Nope!

[frank ether]

hmm

[languid scarab]

No chain and 5s window now

IKR

[frank ether]

thats gonna be nutty on agri revolver

[placid portal]

definitely

[languid scarab]

That is what I discovered it on

[frank ether]

for boss killing it was already ideal but really difficult to pull off

[languid scarab]

I just rolled 10 to orange just now to see what blessings I got test with

[placid portal]

So Trick Shooter + Handcannon would be nice

[languid scarab]

Yeah that's what im testng in Psyk right now

[placid portal]

or Trick + Crucian

• deadshot

[frank ether]

yea I was thinking trick+crucian with ds

[placid portal]

but Pretty sure handcannon helps with certain bps iirc?

[frank ether]

It most likely does

thing is

I'm very inexperienced with agri revolvo

Idk about its breakpoints

[placid portal]

Well ngl

I tried it, it does lose out on certain BPs due to less damage compared to zarona

even with armor dmg perks

[frank ether]

I dont think this will make me pull an exec build with it but maybe weapon spec / agile engagement on a melee build I can see it

power also gives penetration power no?

[placid portal]

Not sure

[frank ether]

hmm, testing needed

[placid portal]

Power don't affect rending I think

[compact skiff]

Had an interesting fall through the pipe

[frank ether]

unfortunate

but fair

now this makes me curious what else had changed

[soft blade]

intended

[frank ether]

under our nose

[placid portal]

Looks like saint Nick is recruiting you for gifting presents in the Imperium

[frank ether]

I imagine agri is still more ideal for zealot probably

they get mad buffs for dodging

[hollow hawk]

Which revolver is the one that you hip fire and reload all bullets of at the same time?

[frank ether]

so you can just do a dodge and get reduced spread/recoil and %100 increased finesse damage

[placid portal]

Agripinaa Revolvo

[hollow hawk]

Ty ty

[placid portal]

That's cool

[hollow hawk]

Any particular blessings and such to go for on that?

[placid portal]

Seems like trickshot is very strong since its ninja changes will make it reliable

[compact skiff]

Crucian Roulette mostl likely, surgical seems anti-synergy with that kind of revolver

[frank ether]

I find braced weapons cool actually just a bit of a bummer vet doesn't really have any talent play that interacts with spread as a mechanic

[placid portal]

Agreed, I still use agri Brauto for CSGO AK gaming

[frank ether]

the possibilities though

imagine the zany loadouts

MF+deadshot brauto

I should not be allowed to make builds

[placid portal]

Crits are meh on brauto no?

[frank ether]

yes it has garbo finesse

thats what mf is for

but the real issue is your lack of accuracy

[placid portal]

unless you hit your first 3 perfect accuracy shots

[compact skiff]

also random bullet spread being in a pain in the ass

[frank ether]

ya exactly

spread reduction on deadshot and you'd do some silly shenanigans

csgo gaming

[placid portal]

Deadshot only affects sway iirc

need to find more +3 stamina

[frank ether]

yeah, which is why I use iags and not brautos when I feel like trying

[placid portal]

2 more to go....

Agripinaa Autogun is fun shit

I played it before overhaul and I'd say it's hella fun

[frank ether]

also one underlooked aspect of brauto is that its hipfire is pretty good

recon also kinda has that trait

[hollow ibex]

Was pretty underwhelmed by colum and graia but damn agri braced is nice

[wet elk]

almost caught melk cooking

[frank ether]

but brauto has decent dps along with it

well agri does at least

[placid portal]

Too bad recon only deals double digit damage

[hollow ibex]

Colum braced in particular feels awful

[frank ether]

I also do deadshot recon for the memes

its... bad

[placid portal]

need to boof the recon

like increase damage for starters imo

[frank ether]

I dont think its that terrible but just vet has no synergy with it

also yea agri just better lmao

[placid portal]

also a good looking gun

[frank ether]

brautos are sexy looking guns

[hollow ibex]

It’s ok, it just feels awful because it’s a bullet hose that doesn’t fire fast enough

[frank ether]

space AK

makes me all the more sad they're meant to use with exec of all things for vet lmao

really they belong in melee vet builds with onslaught and shit

[placid portal]

Infiltrate + Suprise attack for similar benefits

"similar"

[vernal harbor]

we gotta stop focusing on in game builds and start comparing irl builds

lets start hittin narcotics before playing and seeing what the meta should be

https://tenor.com/view/huang4evr-heartsdale-bubblyjae-kid-nodding-insane-gif-25575557

[frank ether]

https://media.tenor.com/XHr4FWDAdQIAAAAM/fish-eating-fish-eating-from-spoon.gif

[languid scarab]

Yeah gotta stay on your toes and try things out. Every few months I giv the blessings ive ignored another cance.

Especallywhen there's a new weapon.

[tiny summit]

bricked up auric runs when

[frank ether]

I'm leaving my last brain cell behind

[rigid whale]

deadshot?

[terse idol]

5000 stamina

[vernal harbor]

just downed 2 rhino pills and slammed a four loko as a chaser lets do some maelstrom

[terse idol]

Thats pretty gooood

[hollow hawk]

What's the difference between the mk 3 and mk 4 knives?

Which would be better for clearing hordes

[umbral scaffold]

Mk3 and mk6?

[hollow hawk]

Wait im dumb yeah

Mk 3 and 6

[umbral scaffold]

The mk6 is better for hordes, but I don't like the heavy hitboxes and it's lacking the better third light

[light ore]

mk 6 slightly better at horde clear due to 3 horizontal lights, plus horitonzal heavies

mk 3 slightly better at single target cause of the spammable special attack overhead

[vernal harbor]

does anyone know if the power swords thrust stab hits any different than a normal slash in terms on penetration or damage

[hollow hawk]

I see, ty ty

Was planning on running a revolver for bigger targets so I might go with the mk 6 then

[umbral scaffold]

It does, that's why the combo does funny damage on crushers

[light ore]

psyker likes mk6 a bit more even for single target, because you're not limited by stamina the way other classes are

so you can just spam push attack for single target

[vernal harbor]

the wide attack is good for vets and you have a heavy stab anyways like the 3 and it does insane damage too so its all around good

[hollow hawk]

[frank ether]

yedge

I'm gonna quickplay with deadshot brauto and make this someone else's problem

[umbral scaffold]

The real problem was the friends we made along the way

[vernal harbor]

tested this and it does look like it has its own damage modifier

charged power sword thrust straight into a heretic's teeth is almost a guaranteed insta kill besides ogryns

[remote grotto]

whaaaat how? when I do it its around a 2 shot

do I need unyielding?

[vernal harbor]

i run bm 4 and unarmored so maybe thats why

bm4 still gives me the weak spot buff and most enemies face are unarmored

[remote grotto]

oh wait which enemy were you testing it on

yeah most I can do on my sword is like 3759 on a reaper :c

[vernal harbor]

all enemies, like i said i cant one shot the ogryns with it

[remote grotto]

ooohhh

okok

is my sword ok btw or should I change maniac to something else?

[vernal harbor]

uhhh you cant

its looks good though

[remote grotto]

ok sounds good. oddly enough I can't one shot ragers with the push stab. I don't know why

[raw steppe]

I'd change it to flak or cara

Depending if you want to do better against bruisers or crushers

[midnight totem]

No that's usual

It's always been the push stab and light follow up that kills I think

[vagrant marsh]

Whats your favorite ranged weapon?

[rigid whale]

agriobgobpwhatever the hell shotgun

the slug round one

[vagrant marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/pikachu-pokemon-cali7-nodding-nod-gif-15699416

[frank ether]

deadshot brauto new meme tech just dropped

[vagrant marsh]

i see i see

[rigid whale]

it's a toss-up between the slug round shotgun and the scatter-round shotgun for me, though i feel on vet i get more use out of slugs

[hollow ibex]

Why deadshot

[rigid whale]

i dont like the fire shotgun because it fires way too slowly

[hollow ibex]

More damage and cleave tho

[placid portal]

Luv me Wide Buckshot

[frank basin]

Lawbringer fan user

[vagrant marsh]

which tree do you go down with shotgun?

[frank ether]

I want to make god cry

I'm possessed by the soul of P12 veteran

[rigid whale]

i have two shotgun builds, one with frags, voice of command, and weapon specialist, and the other with frags, ex-stance, and focus (the headshot one not the marking one)

it's like a short-range sniper build

and i was shocked how competent the latter build is at killing crushers. it's not amazing but i feel like i don't need kraks with it

[vagrant marsh]

short range sniper is an oxymoron

[hollow ibex]

9 stamina in your curios?

[near shore]

Yo where's the bayonet lover

[frank ether]

yep

[placid portal]

the true way to main deadshot

or any build

stamina OP

[rigid whale]

yeah

[hollow ibex]

Sounds funny, I should try

[rigid whale]

still fun tho

the only reason why the build doesn't work at long range is A. shotguns have hefty damage falloff and B. i can't aim that well

but you can pick off snipers surprisingly well

i swapped to the slug shotgun after failing to use the helbore lol

idk what i was doing wrong but i had 0 output with it

[frank ether]

I'd wish we had a keystone based off of deadshot instead of whatever the hell MF is

[placid portal]

truth

😔

[frank ether]

tho Idk

I feel like this build is like

[rigid whale]

marksman's focus is great

[frank ether]

genuinely think this build is like one or two change away from greatness

which is also how I felt about deadshot recon aswell

even though oth of these weapons have god awful finesse

[near shore]

Aren't you the one who loves the bayo? I have a meme

[hollow ibex]

I actually like MF, but only with the camouflage modifier

[rigid whale]

yeah mf+camo is pretty good

you start fights with 10 and then you keep em thru good aim

[frank ether]

baseline keystone is kinda awful

but I guess its a tough thing to balance

[rigid whale]

does the plasma gun pierce walls?

[frank ether]

It should

[vagrant marsh]

you can see through walls,><

?

[frank ether]

you can with executioner

[rigid whale]

my main problem with the helbore and ex-stance was i kept shooting at marked targets without realizing they were behind walls lmao

that, and my aim just fuckin sucks in this game

[frank ether]

if your aim sucks exec isnt for you

which is sad but thats how they designed it

[vagrant marsh]

why does the lasgun look good on paper but kind sucks

[frank ether]

I think more people would pick exec if the teammate highlight thing reset your ability when allies get a highlight kill

[rigid whale]

yea

[frank ether]

but maybe that'd be too OP

[rigid whale]

i dont like that it has a counterintuitive ability

[frank ether]

the entire team would always see specials/elites/gunners approaching then

[rigid whale]

tbf an ult that lasts 5 seconds and auto-ends when you swap abilities is already pretty restricting

[frank ether]

which is too strong of a team utility for a ranged dps ability

[terse idol]

Honestly it'd be fine

If teammate kills reset it

[frank ether]

nah I think that would become the new default

I dont like that

[terse idol]

Ya think

[frank ether]

I dont like the idea of your entire team having wallhacks for the entirety of a match

that is brainrot

I regret ever speaking this very idea

truly deadshot brauto has rotten my last braincell

[rigid whale]

it's hard to balance

[terse idol]

I mean, base line

Counterfire

Upgrade to + Ogryns

Done

[rigid whale]

why ogryns

[frank ether]

the whole

competing with teammates thing

is bad

[rigid whale]

oh i see what you mean

yeah the ogryn marking thing is weird

i get that it helps with refreshing the buff, but ogryns do not need to be highlighted

[frank ether]

It made sense back when exec was the only ranged dps playstyle and vet was busted as f

[rigid whale]

they're ogryns, you see them lol

[frank ether]

thats not the point

you dont get a reset for killing ogryns if you dont take it

[rigid whale]

i kno

and killing ogryns is definitely a solid goal for ex-stance, but i feel like i get way more mileage out of killing the easier to kill, significantly more plentiful ranged enemies

[somber axle]

Weird question: has anyone here experimented with the No Respite and Falter Blessings on the Lucius Mk II before? If it gives enough stagger to let it stagger Crushers or a charging mutie it could be funny

[frank ether]

I experimented with no respite hb2 but not falter

[somber axle]

Idk if Falter would give it enough stagger to stop muties or crushers

It sounds goofy if it works that way

Mini-stun on headshot

[frank ether]

there are enough melee monkes and other sources of stun/stagger going around to get value out of no respite

[rigid whale]

how do yall feel about the specialist keystone? i run it with shotguns for the free reloading but i forgot that it basically gives free ranged crit

[frank ether]

its like majority of top tier builds are melee based and/or have reliable ways to stun the f out of things

[frank ether]

its pretty good with the right weapons

[somber axle]

Oh yeah I know meta on Lucius Mk II is Surgical + Onslaught but I like experimenting

[rigid whale]

i should probably put no respite back on my shotgun, i swapped it out for flechette (alongside full bore since it's a slug variation)

[frank ether]

I don't think onslaught is all that important on mk2

[somber axle]

I was wondering if anyone else had tested Falter on a Lucius Mk II vs charging Muties or Crushers before

It probably isn't with how fast it fires by default

[rigid whale]

i really wanna try a plasma gun build but i cant get a good plasma gun at any of the shops

[frank ether]

I mean it doesnt hurt to have it, but its a pretty fast firing gun

[somber axle]

Would you run Infernus or Sustained Fire over it instead?

I have Infernus IV on my best Mk II right now and it feels like it doesn't do anything

[frank ether]

infernus is too tiny of a dps increase to matter for the most part

but it does add a bit for bosses

so If I had that for an otherwise perfect roll I'd just.. roll with it

my pref is no respite-surgical though

[somber axle]

There's always the casino game of Brunt's Armoury

[rigid whale]

yeah but i dont have enough plasteel

for upgrading i mean

[somber axle]

Buy greys until you get 370+ with the stats you want then pray Hadron gives you at least two perks/blessings you want

[rigid whale]

i dont even bother with 370+ lol i settle for like 340

[somber axle]

That's fair

I splurged 1.6 million dockets rolling the Brunt's dice last night and got nothing but garbo

[frank ether]

relatable

[rigid whale]

i keep spending all my dockets on the freebie cosmetic shop lol

[somber axle]

The desert camo set from there is neat

[terse idol]

Yeah which is bullshit

Like

You choose between

Resets on the most common enemy in the game

Or... Ogryns

[frank ether]

yea well exec is just

well

the better your team is the worse it gets lmao

[terse idol]

I meeann

Kinda?

If youre built with a lasgun there's no way in hell they can shoot ALL the gunners you can

[frank ether]

Its an ability stuck in that P12 mindset of ''only vet is for ranged killing''

[terse idol]

Yeah

Which I mean

I kinda like

[rigid whale]

p12?

[terse idol]

Forces you to specialize

I like that I'm choosing to do pure ranged

[frank ether]

I dont have a problem with trade-offs for being a ranged spec

[terse idol]

The issue being the BP's aren't there

You can't get resets on like

Hitting a bosses weakpoint

[frank ether]

not taking VoC/infiltrate is the trade-off to begin with lmao

[terse idol]

The upgrade to MF for rending sucks eggs

Maybe built in rending for exe...

[junior grail]

Imagine if hitting weakspots give stacks of Marksman Focus

[frank ether]

maybe this is schizo tier take but

I think exec is in a worse spot than mf

[terse idol]

The real big brain take is both of them are

Lackluster

At the same time

Equally

[frank ether]

at least you can run mf with VoC though

[junior grail]

Also cause we knew how much stronger Exec Stance was, now its a broken up shadow of its former self

Get all modifier of Exec Stance and its still weaker

[terse idol]

Yeah and that's the issue with overkill on exe and mf

It just kinda

[frank ether]

it wasnt exec stance

[terse idol]

You will always 1 shot regular scab and dreg gunners

[frank ether]

it was the passive %75 TDR and base vet toughness

being through the roof

[terse idol]

Adding in either MF or Exe doesn't change that

[finite imp]

I still remember casually running through a quarter of the level with executioner stance just gunning everything down. The only thing that stopped me was I ran out of enemies

[terse idol]

I mean I enjoy exe rn

[finite imp]

That's cuz ur a noob

[terse idol]

Cause I get to tank enemies with MF

NOOO

[junior grail]

Vet base toughness and crit chance is both reduced, right?

[finite imp]

Yeah it a noob

Ur*

[frank ether]

Eh its fun to shoot piss colored enemy, its not fun to have an inconsistent feeling on BPs and recoil/spread though

[junior grail]

Omg you called him an it

[finite imp]

Big noob

[terse idol]

I mean I thought the recoil was always consistent personally

But only because I'm using lasguns

[frank ether]

well I dont think there is enough recoil in the game for it to matter

but for spread it makes a huge diff

[terse idol]

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