that requires most things to be delivered at an arch i assume
#veteran-class
zealous wyvern
if you throw a grenade with your hand, that will never be artillery even tho it has an arch
but the automatic one does seem like it could be artillery since it looks pretty heavy
hollow ibex
but if you launch the grenade out of a tube, it's artillery 
timid crow
Think this is getting into an argument of dictionary vs common definition
zealous wyvern
no
hollow ibex
that's basically what mortars are tho
zealous wyvern
this is not artillery
mortars are artillery from what i gather online because of their longer range and bigger boom
hollow ibex
smaller mortars are basically just glorified grenade launchers
like knee mortars are basically mounted noob tubes
but they're still artillery because of how they're used
rain badger
hmmm, maybe. But this dude was talking a lot. I listen to music and the in game voice chat is already super low, so I usually ignore it. But I catch this dude talking shit. He then goes "your level 330 and you need carried" youre trash, ect ect. Like ok? I have to play A game every single match? I went down a couple times, who cares. But he just constantly flames the entire match. "ill let you stay down so you can text chat back." Literaly smoothbrain behavior. I really dont get it. Jokes on him, we got all scripts and killed the assassination target.
zealous wyvern
i dont know
rain badger
But its ALWAYS zealot players.
rain badger
Orgyns and Psykers never talk shit
wicked zenith
I play all and trash talk at times.
hollow ibex
to shoot at ppl far away?
basically devices that sling explosives at a distance
wicked zenith
Most played is slightly orgyn atm
hoary stratus
vet chat is talking irl guns every single time I look in here lmao
hollow ibex
which i realize is super broad lol
zealous wyvern
vet chat is talking irl guns every single time I look in here lmao
well
YUH
were the gun people
its our whole class
we dont have anything else
wicked zenith
We have nades
zealous wyvern
hoary stratus
psyker chat isn't talking about blowing things up with their minds irl tho
hollow ibex
so many things have been classified as "artillery" over time
zealous wyvern
psyker chat isn't talking about blowing things up with their minds irl tho
because humans cant do that
but humans can use guns
we have the advantage in that regard
also the point of this conversation is the tabletop
not irl war
jaunty tinsel
Yeah, that's the only exception I've seen.
hoary stratus
also the point of this conversation is the tabletop
well fair enough
wicked zenith
I've never seen a tabletop. Too poor for tables.
jaunty tinsel
Do youthink crouching reduces channce for ranged mobs to hit you? Or better to just zig-zag?
rain badger
if you put your mind to something, say blowing someones head up, you too in fact can think about blowing peoples minds up 
zealous wyvern
"large bore mounted firearms" apparently this is an artillery definition
timid crow
so many things have been classified as "artillery" over time
^ Imagine the term originating when we were still using cannons and shit and calling them Artillery. Years later, cannons have evolved into howitzers to lob shells for miles but we still keep the name. The use case for the gun has changed over time but the name stuck.
zealous wyvern
indirect fire is a normal thing for them
but not required
so i would stand by what i said
wicked zenith
@jaunty tinsel Neither, Wall hugging helps as a vett slightly but dodging is better.
zealous wyvern
heavy lascannon is artillery
quasi grotto
because humans cant do that
?
zealous wyvern
its a heavy ordnance mounted firearm with a crew
quasi grotto
I can literally do that
hollow ibex
^ Imagine the term originating when we were still using cannons and shit and cal...
yeah early howitzers firing at 200m are still considered artillery
zealous wyvern
ok stay away from me i promise ill revive you if we end up on the same team
deal?
wicked zenith
Genestealer on motocycles are Artillery?
hollow ibex
true
timid crow
Nice, what weapons?
timid crow
agri is the fire one yeah?
quasi grotto
agri is the fire one yeah?
kantreal is fire
near shore
agri is the fire one yeah?
oh,ya my B, agri is slugs
timid crow
can't keep up with the names man 😆
timid crow
That with stealth I imagine for some beeg damage?
native furnace
Is that with the increased power on "all pellets" hitting the same target, but with a slug?
near shore
Is that with the increased power on "all pellets" hitting the same target, but w...
yes, its min/maxed with respite as well
near shore
That with stealth I imagine for some beeg damage?
dont need stealth dmg on the bulid
native furnace
Ahhh, so damage to staggered targets on top. How do you think this compares to the increased cleave on crit + increased crit if pellets all hit thing?
near shore
well u wouldnt use that on agri, thats lawbringer and kantrel stuff
but for them, its halrious
quasi grotto
crit bleed kantreal do be silly
near shore
only 16 dmg taken, and it was beast of nurlge dmg and mutant dmg with no stealth vet
spring spindle
In the wise words of someone I played with, a friend of MY friend.
“Hey they have a Scion helmet in the shop.”
“Yeah? Does it come with the fucking Hellgun? Didn’t fucking think so. Anyway…”
quasi grotto
fax
jade ruin
quick question for all you veteran vet mains, im new to veteran and i dont know which power sword is better
long time ogryn player and i managed to persuade hadron into giving me a power cycler 4, but i dont know which power sword is better
zealous wyvern
how the did you get a IV blessing at low level
zealous wyvern
i didnt even know lvl4 blessings drop at low levels
zealous wyvern
i thought a good blessing would be lvl2 at those tiers
spring spindle
I think they’re both good. MK3 is easy to use because it kinda just has attacks that hit everything. But I like the other one better (don’t remember the number. I main Zealot usually)
jade ruin
just new to veteran
zealous wyvern
but 30 already
jade ruin
yes
jade ruin
if only
zealous wyvern
nvm you cant even bring those that low
spring spindle
i thought you somehow rolled a 4pcycler at level 5
I fucking wish
jade ruin
the only thing i can seem to understand is that the heavies on the mk6 sweep at different angles compared to mk3
is there something im missing?
zealous wyvern
thats probably it
tall torrent
quick question for all you veteran vet mains, im new to veteran and i dont know ...
Mk6 is the better one but Mk3 is not bad by any means
zealous wyvern
maybe better for hitting heads
tall torrent
the only thing i can seem to understand is that the heavies on the mk6 sweep at ...
Mk6 has L1 and L2 be perfect horizontal, H1 and H2 on diagonal
Mk3 has L1 and L2 on diagonal, H1 and H2 as perfect horizontal
jade ruin
ahhhh, so the light attacks are stronger?
tall torrent
Mk6 is generally better because charged light atks still kill just about everything and it has charged push ATK -> L4 combo for massive single target damage against carapace & unyielding, while having innate 25% block efficiency from the front
Mk6 can also block cancel the charge up
jade ruin
block cancel the charge up?
tall torrent
When you charge mk6, you can press block the moment the sword turns blue and still keep the charge, essentially cancelling parts of the charge-up animation
jade ruin
ohhh im testing that out on a crusher, yeah it seems to do a crap ton of damage
thank you for the clarifications though :) ill give the mkiv some test runs to get the jist of it
devout falcon
Any tips for "Make Every Shot Count" Penance?
jade ruin
run a revolver, find a monstrosity, ammo dump it
torn moat
You could also run a Plasma gun
Don't take the bonus ammo talent obviously.
And don't take the ammo regen talent.
jade ruin
yeah i noticed other vets doing it with plasma gun too
torn moat
If you use Plasma, only use charged shot. It'll use higher amounts of ammo.
near shore
ey i know smasha
Mhm,a very smooth game
torn moat
Plasma with right click has less overall ammo than revolver... 10 right clicks uses 90 ammo. So it'll mean about 20-25 shots total to use all of it.
But you'll have a slower rate of fire, so you can't ammo dump into a Monstrostity as easily as with a Revolver... But I wouldn't ammo dump at all. Feels too easy to miss if you don't take care with aiming.
hybrid token
solo cluthching, on muties, bursters, dogs maelstrom for 15 straight fuckin minutes lmao
that was fucking bananas
cerulean void
I wonder what the rest of the Valkyrie people think when I take two doses of combat stimm back to back and disappear into The Walls with a bloody combat knife saying "time for a surprise"
it's certainly thoughts
vernal harbor
solo cluthching, on muties, bursters, dogs maelstrom for 15 straight fuckin minu...
sometimes i remember this is suppose to be a passtime that relaxes you
hybrid token
vernal harbor
almost cracked a mil o_O
So how long were y’all gonna keep me in the dark about uncanny strike and mercy killer
crude ermine
We were gonna give it another week before we told you
hybrid token
82k boss damage lel
vernal harbor
We were gonna give it another week before we told you
vernal harbor
crude ermine
Yes it does
Use the other.. whatever percent of the brain is unused
I mail by sending birds and throwing them
serene sage
<:whatthefuck_heresy:1049724444207239168>
pretty sick dude
scarlet smelt
which to take? fine with getting the blessing of any of these whether it be dumdum or ghost
junior grail
I like Dumdum cause dmg
vestal badger
Anyone know the base crit chance of the combat blade?
crude ermine
which to take? fine with getting the blessing of any of these whether it be dumd...
I'd say right purely due to dumdum
tiny summit
Toughness dispenser went pretty well in auric quickplay
umbral scaffold
is deathspitter even that good for the IAG? i feel like since it doesnt stack and takes a few seconds to refresh its not all that great compared to other blessings
crude ermine
Toughness dispenser went pretty well in auric quickplay
Everytime I see scavenger not being used I want to jokingly act like a Redditor but the mssg is so fucking bad I've had no heart to say it
scarlet smelt
I'd say right purely due to dumdum
oh oops I more meant which to keep
I have the one on the right, trying to get the one on the left
for ghost
tiny summit
Everytime I see scavenger not being used I want to jokingly act like a Redditor ...
Let it consume you
crude ermine
I can't
tiny summit
is deathspitter even that good for the IAG? i feel like since it doesnt stack an...
It stacks
scarlet smelt
which stat block is better? both are modifiable in the same way
crude ermine
I have the one on the right, trying to get the one on the left
Keep right, get ghost
tiny summit
weird i dont think it mentions that in the description tho
Yea. Fatshark moment
Technically I can get scavenger but then I'd give up my extra ammo pool and not teach randoms good ammo control
umbral scaffold
ive slept on it for so long i didnt know it stacked
tiny summit
Even more toughness regen for the team with Catch A Breath
tiny summit
ive slept on it for so long i didnt know it stacked
Not like you can know unless you seek it out because of its description. Like how new people keep being bewildered when told how weakspot and crit dmg perks are calculated.
umbral scaffold
i have a columnus IAG with dumdum and hit & run i thought i pretty much struck out
but hey deathspitter finally sounds good again i might run that
tiny summit
Yea. Good thing with CIAG is that you slap dumdum on and it's already kinda set.
crude ermine
It's one of those weapons that really needs one blessing to work
tiny summit
I mean. It still works w/o it. CIAG is good. Now combat axes? They need BM to even feel tolerable
crude ermine
It's like driving a car with and without wheels
dire lagoon
anyone know how overproof works? Wondering why that guy has a higher team score than me?
umbral scaffold
me watching a veteran with any aura other than survivalist join the lobby
tiny summit
No idea. I just turn off team score
serene sage
anyone know how overproof works? Wondering why that guy has a higher team score ...
the score doesn't make sense, don't trust it, it takes into accounts things like the amount of attacks blocked, plasteel picks ups, coherency, etc.
basically it's an arbitrary system made by the modder with unverified weights
crude ermine
me watching a veteran with any aura other than survivalist join the lobby
A non.. survivalist...VETERAN
serene sage
it's purely for fun
crude ermine
I MUST REPORT TO THE KNIGHTS OF REDDIT
I'm not adding the rest of that god forsaken quote
dire lagoon
ok so basically the scoreboard is not very accurate in many ways I'm finding out.
umbral scaffold
sorry bud but any other aura other than survivalist is throwing and trolling
dire lagoon
and that was the most annoying zealot I have every played with.
tiny summit
Non-survivalist Infiltrate vet with plasma
serene sage
me watching a veteran with any aura other than survivalist join the lobby
hwm my beloved
crude ermine
and that was the most annoying zealot I have every played with.
Basically
serene sage
ok so basically the scoreboard is not very accurate in many ways I'm finding out...
the score means literally nothing
like I said, the modder decides which factors into the score
so it's highly subjective
umbral scaffold
fat shark doesnt have a clear idea on how to balance vet tree yet, expect to have to remake your talent tree yet again when they revamp it over.. and over and over agan
crude ermine
I probably should've said basically to your previous message but it works
serene sage
just trust the tracking of damage and thigns killed itself
crude ermine
It's just an ego inflator (NOT THE MAIN REASON PEOPLE GET IT)
tiny summit
just trust the tracking of damage and thigns killed itself
Except when there's a discrepancy between ovenproof and base scoreboard on how much dmg and how many specials kills
crude ermine
It CAN be an ego inflator for some to flaunt themselves
But usually it's just to see people's performance in a wide scale like vt2
serene sage
Except when there's a discrepancy between ovenproof and base scoreboard on how m...
overproof is more accurate I think
umbral scaffold
if your ego can be inflated or deflated by your performance in a game go get a job and/or touch grass ( i need both )
serene sage
the base scoreboard doesn't take mini dogs from dogs waves as specials
I'm pretty sure
tiny summit
Always just use scoreboard to take into account your own performance, use you brain, and evaluate your build and gameplay with scoreboard having some metrics to take into account
serene sage
that said, a grueling 40 min game
308 elites/specs
literally a quarter of all my kills
serene sage
yeah it was a long game
tiny summit
Games finish floating around 400-500k for the most part for me
serene sage
is it me or the game has stopped spamming ragers
umbral scaffold
Still rarely get games that have anyone go past 700k
if someones reaching over 700k something bad has happened usually
serene sage
instead, we have big ass walls of bulwarks instead?
umbral scaffold
i only get above that when i clutch a game
tall torrent
is it me or the game has stopped spamming ragers
Just has a high intensity power matrix where game spawned 8 ragers on me in the final part
crude ermine
instead, we have big ass walls of bulwarks instead?
Somehow that's even worse
tiny summit
is it me or the game has stopped spamming ragers
Where are your games. I want them
tall torrent
instead, we have big ass walls of bulwarks instead?
Oh yea those are real
umbral scaffold
re(ddit)volver
tall torrent
Just has a high intensity power matrix where game spawned 8 ragers on me in the ...
The same game we fought like 30 bulwarks over 5 waves
crude ermine
how dare you
tall torrent
Not as many crushers but loads of bulwarks
tiny summit
My games has been "more fire please"
serene sage
Where are your games. I want them
well not literally, but I feel like the rager instances have been replaced by bulwark wall
there are still some rager spam
but we have bulwark spam too
crude ermine
I'll have you know I mastered the art of the American cowboy, cracking whips and riding cows like the true American I'll have you know I have landed 99% of my headshots not because of my aim assist logs but by PURE SKILL you trash can, you probably use a poopie baby easy mode weapon like the boltor you fils de pute fucking idiotic malice players in my auric damnation games when all they do Is play the game I'm trying to make my frag video with the revolver shout and powersword get shqt on kid
dire lagoon
is it all just RNG or is there something else going on? I noticed a lot of bulwark waves today also.
serene sage
I'll have you know I mastered the art of the American cowboy, cracking whips and...
babe wake up new copy pasta just dropped
tall torrent
but we have bulwark spam too
More variety good
serene sage
is it all just RNG or is there something else going on? I noticed a lot of bulwa...
I think someone at FS has a job whose work is entire to fuck with the spawn system to keep things fresh
dude rolls a dice and be like hmm today them fuckers will deal with ragers
umbral scaffold
bolter harder than the revolver
serene sage
tomorrow bulwarks
umbral scaffold
quick guys give me 5 minutes i gotta pull out the giant brick out of my asscrack so i can deal with this crusher pack
dire lagoon
I think someone at FS has a job whose work is entire to fuck with the spawn syst...
Maybe they have premade "variations" that automatically cycle in and out.
serene sage
Maybe they have premade "variations" that automatically cycle in and out.
i would also believe that
like there was a period
where gunners were everywhere
like 2 dozen of them each pack
then ragers and now bulwarks it seem
tall torrent
Walk into a room, see 30 gunners and 4 reapers, immediately walk right back out
serene sage
I swear there was also a crusher period
crude ermine
As much as I like the fact it handles like a brick on Adderall (don't ask) the pullout game is lacking with the boltor
serene sage
As much as I like the fact it handles like a brick on Adderall (don't ask) the p...
we don't pullout
crude ermine
Not like that
dire lagoon
is the team score in ovenproof scoreboard called "Bottom Padding" ?
serene sage
and don't get knocked up
tall torrent
so we can stagger
Don’t u still have to do the draw animation after throwing 2 nades
serene sage
is the team score in ovenproof scoreboard called "Bottom Padding" ?
it's a different mod
serene sage
Don’t u still have to do the draw animation after throwing 2 nades
you throw then you draw
i mean i would cry the day they buff the draw time of the gun
but yknow
dire lagoon
it's a different mod
found it, on the base scoreboard mod.
serene sage
found it, on the base scoreboard mod.
oh yes, sorry i misunderstood you
tall torrent
Btw
Born leader with target down + gloryhunter plasma + confirmed kill is actually a vibe
dire lagoon
oh yes, sorry i misunderstood you
you were correct, I was looking in ovenproof options - but it's in the base mod options/
serene sage
you just woke up an entire regiment
should have turned down my music 😔
umbral scaffold
also
thinking about how this would be a formidable line breaker in lore, meanwhile we're just 4 crack addicts
tall torrent
Btw
Born leader with target down + gloryhunter plasma + confirmed kill is actual...
This actually gives ur teammates who’re competent enough toughness to play much more aggressively in melee
thick wolf
a perfect time to have a bullrush ogryn that time
serene sage
a perfect time to have a bullrush ogryn that time
yeah but also charging that ramp without clearing first would invite another stack of gunner
that ramp imo is the most dangerous location on that map
umbral scaffold
emprah gave us plasma guns and krak nades for a reason
serene sage
true, or just surge staff there would do wonder
wary galleon
twilit glacier
do i just slap flakiac on this?
hollow ibex
grats
twilit glacier
never used one
serene sage
I would suggest the same
Maybe Sunder to Brutal Momentum if you prefer the waveclear
BUT Sunder isn't bad
It's preference
twilit glacier
would you say it's better than this for melee veteran?
kinda tired of the slow swings
tall torrent
do i just slap flakiac on this?
Unyielding u can keep
Change poxer to maniac/carapace
Sunder is good
tall torrent
would you say it's better than this for melee veteran?
For horde clear, absolutely
twilit glacier
Maybe Sunder to Brutal Momentum if you prefer the waveclear
just checked and i do have brutal at IV
probably gonna run it with sunder for a few missions, see how it performs
vernal harbor
yall ever drop down into the torrent and for 15 minutes cannot advance a single step
hands down, the worst ive ever seen the director
smoking something
thats a night killer right there
gadam
pallid dew
yall ever drop down into the torrent and for 15 minutes cannot advance a single ...
damn haven't seen this in ages
tulip condor
Fan of the MK1 IAG but thought Id give the Columnus a try. What does it need for perks and blessings?
thick wolf
yall ever drop down into the torrent and for 15 minutes cannot advance a single ...
the good area 51
if only the pc port wasn't ass
woven tide
Fan of the MK1 IAG but thought Id give the Columnus a try. What does it need for...
Bonus to flak and mutant (as standard)
Dumdum
That's pretty much all you need. Just having dumdum alone is good enough
vernal harbor
damn haven't seen this in ages
lived that nightmare 10 minutes ago
1:1 damn near i cant believe it still
now i know have that team got boxed up
someone get me marilyn manson
twilit glacier
Also is the new las pistol any better?
a bit better yeah, a good middle ground
placid portal
New Laspistol got really strong Flak modifier
tulip condor
Bonus to flak and mutant (as standard)
Dumdum
That's pretty much all you need...
if i want more dmg, should I go fire frenzy or deathspitter?
placid portal
Fire Frenzy got a big 10% damage boost but only if you shoot in close range while Death Spitter needs to kill close range to gain 6.5% Power boost
*also fire frenzy + death spitter stacks 5 times
tulip condor
typically like to use for long range
pot shots at distance but reliable for cqc hip fire
low yacht
Using Vraks and Combat Blade for stealth
pallid dew
lived that nightmare 10 minutes ago
Can't wait to experience
pallid dew
New Laspistol got really strong Flak modifier
Mad
Hopefully rng ommnissiah can bless me
slate sleet
yall ever drop down into the torrent and for 15 minutes cannot advance a single ...
no not really
pearl granite
what perk should I have on iag?
pearl granite
i have get hot and blaze away\
that's already best
severe adder
ok
pearl granite
columnus, shooting big stuff
slate sleet
cant go wrong with dumdum
slate sleet
maniac unyelding
crushers will be a pain but if you run onslaught it really doesnt matter
if you dont just use krak for crushers and shields
buoyant tree
is plasma shooting "empty" shots a known bug? sometimes get no visual and no sound
last parcel
yep
buoyant tree
ok, very annoying
sharp ember
yeah sound bug that developed about when the karnak twins boss fight dropped
pallid dew
Hell yeah kasrkin
pallid dew
https://tenor.com/view/zul-regards-zulzorander-zul-western-gif-21839383
for us it's 3 vets and one psyker
silver shore
I had two Vets named Ashton and Micah that were level 11 maybe ping, and immediately aggro a daemon
gusty bison
Do grenades count as ranged attacks?
No
odd wind
is it bricked with rampage
gusty bison
Ya shoulda swapped it out for BM, but its not the end of the world
pallid dew
Nice
terse idol
Its already dons
pallid dew
Perhaps I need to return to power swords
They got nerfed really hard when I used to play
odd wind
it literally took me 6 months to get it
gusty bison
vernal harbor
https://tenor.com/view/zul-regards-zulzorander-zul-western-gif-21839383
the first vet s attempts to slide under the net and is snared, the second tags the trapper before running past him to ‘secure the area’ and the third misses his helbore shot. The trapper says “oooo I’m gonna get ya” before escaping the bar, the snared vet is now downed
gusty bison
Psword was only not S tier briefly on P13
odd sparrow
power swords are still insanely good. And frankly there was only like 1 patch where they were bad/not BiS
gusty bison
And frankly that was cos Chsword was broken for P13
Psword iirc didnt get buffed from P13 to P14
Its that the claw and chsword got nerfed
silver shore
the first vet s attempts to slide under the net and is snared, the second tags t...
AND THE OGRYN COMES IN FROM LEFT FIELD WITH THE TACKLE
pallid dew
What's the best melee so far then?
gusty bison
What's the best melee so far then?
Theres a few solid candidates
pallid dew
Theres a few solid candidates
I was a power sword fan
And if it's better than chainsword which I'm currently using I'll make a return
gusty bison
Power Sword, Rashad Axe, Knife, Shovel, Dclaw all are vying for that coveted spot
pallid dew
I'm guessing shovel or knife is still op
pallid dew
Power Sword, Rashad Axe, Knife, Shovel, Dclaw all are vying for that coveted spo...
No chainsword?
pallid dew
And hellbore still meta?
gusty bison
Helbore?
I mean helbore never been meta
Its an S tier gun
But good luck finding people who use it regularly
umbral scaffold
the chainsword is always meta because blood for the blood god
silver shore
What's the best melee so far then?
having fun with the knives and devil claw, little different playstyles but i'm holding out for chain sword
pallid dew
the chainsword is always meta because blood for the blood god
Huhhhh?
gusty bison
But yea Helbore is an amazing gun
gusty bison
But people atm use plasma and volver the most cos they have aim assist
pallid dew
But people atm use plasma and volver the most cos they have aim assist
Wait plasma is good???
gusty bison
Like plasma is stupidly easy to use effectively
But it also doesnt scale with skill. So its a skill pancake basically
umbral scaffold
i love pancakes
pallid dew
I'll try
umbral scaffold
what do you like on your pancakes
silver shore
also combat axe is fun
gusty bison
The main complaint many people have of plasma atm is its mindnumbingly boring
pallid dew
I love fruits on pancake
pallid dew
The main complaint many people have of plasma atm is its mindnumbingly boring
I wasn't a fan when I first tried it
but trying it now
gusty bison
Wait plasma is good???
The meta trio atm is
- Plasma
- Revolver
- Columnus IAG
And CIAG is used a LOT less than the other two
umbral scaffold
Which PS mark is the good one again?
pallid dew
Cop?
pallid dew
We going for toughness
pallid dew
Never seen this brittle before
gusty bison
Never seen this brittle before
Its actually incorrect
pallid dew
Worth?
pallid dew
Yeah
gusty bison
Theres like nothing there u want
pallid dew
ornate scroll
does anybody else have this thing with the plasma gun where it shoots but there's no visual effect at all, yet the enemy dies?
pallid dew
does anybody else have this thing with the plasma gun where it shoots but there'...
Bouta to find out now lol
ornate scroll
what i did was pick up that Trait that speeds up reload after a... specialist kill i think it was. and then i just didn't bother venting the plasma rifle. i just reloaded instead
pallid dew
Yep it's happening
ornate scroll
it's sad. because plasma gun looks cool when fired
slow forum
Who can tell what a Scavenger is? I don't even know how I scored so many points for the achievement https://i.imgur.com/TMwxsoL.png
ornate scroll
it's just the Aura, right?
get like... 1% ammo back for killing specials or elites or something like that
white minnow
yeah, survivalist is the upgraded version of scavenger
scavenger being the default aura that you get for not taking any aura
ornate scroll
does that mean the Penance doesn't progress if you upgrade it to Survivalist?
gusty bison
They fixed that
slow forum
Strange, I never chose a Survivalist
Either it was accruing when I played without upgrades, or I don’t know
gusty bison
Strange, I never chose a Survivalist
Ya missing out mate
Survivalist is the strongest aura in the game
white minnow
maybe if a teammate has like an mk4 infantry lasgun, they're going to have ~1k ammo
and each 1 point of that ammo counts
sharp ember
it should have been counting the default aura
so upgrading to a different one stopped your progress
but yeah run ammo regen aura for like 1 game with gun users and bam it’s done
zealous wyvern
Either it was accruing when I played without upgrades, or I don’t know
there used to be onlly 1 aura and the default aura before picking one also refills ammo
so you either got it before skill trees or you got it low level
slow forum
I took the upgraded version and it works to achievemet too
dry knoll
does anybody else have this thing with the plasma gun where it shoots but there'...
It's awful, it some times doesn't actually fire for me. just kicks and bumps. Some times it fires ghost shots.
ornate scroll
i want my big flashy woosh
dry knoll
if it isnt "fwoosh whump!' it's very sad
ornate scroll
also, best/worst veteran voice set? go.
chrome pumice
ornate scroll
you mean cutthroat?
dry knoll
I cant even remember what the choices are tbh
All I know is I picked the Cadian with severe PTSD it seems
but he's lovely to the Ogryn at least
bitter turtle
I picked female loose cannon
bitter turtle
does anybody else have this thing with the plasma gun where it shoots but there'...
yes
that's a thing
please enjoy
it's part of the weapon's charm, you see
tacit wedge
speaking of the plasma gun though, what is the keybind by default to Vent it?
devout comet
V
sharp ember
middle mouse?
devout comet
It’s the special attack button
sharp ember
i rebound to thumb buttons
ornate scroll
that screws me up when i play psyker because i keep wanting to vent by pressing R
tawdry hull
wich one is the loose canon?
celest vine
The irish sounding one
dry knoll
i rebound to thumb buttons
same, I also only remember/realised recently that in addition to tap venting you can full vent by holding it.
which was a moment of facepalming
placid portal
wich one is the loose canon?
the one that says "Kark" alot
tawdry hull
"ay dont u Tell ne what do" person?
placid portal
Ye
zealous wyvern
its professional
i hate when he says that while i absolutely did just steal someones needed ammo accidentally
i feel bad
placid portal
Don't know I only know professional that does the 🤓 when saying their codenames
zealous wyvern
fine with him as long as he gets to kill heretics and get paid
one day (we wont) we will get a DLC or free update that lets us make our hab unit on the ship customised
and you can use ordo dockets to buy furniture (no it would be fkn aquilas)
and deco and food and drink
would be a fun little thing to do. like the safehouse in payday 2
ornate scroll
I'm pretty sure our hab space is a matchbox with a bunk bed
zealous wyvern
yes but imagine if we could build it up a little
not too much ofc. were on a ship and just one warband member
but we are auric level basically so i think a room just for us is not unfeasible on a rogue trader ship
i just hope this doesnt happen because we all know theyd use it to sell more real-money purchases
vermintide was so cool with getting a little camp when you got a character to... 20?
id love getting a little space for my character after reaching a level or something
ornate scroll
I'd like a bar area or smth
zealous wyvern
that would be very good too yes with music and a holo dancer for the soldier atmosphere
like star craft 2 bar on the liberty prime
having a bar with ogryns around would be an entirely different undertaking tbf
ornate scroll
sturdy chairs
muted knot
im in a game with 2 plasma vets both running exec
ornate scroll
welp i guess no ranged enemies exist anymore?
ornate scroll
wdym
sharp ember
doesn’t wanna become collateral to those walking bombs
only trusts the reliability of Emperor-blessed lasguns and boltguns
ornate scroll
i prefer autoguns, not because of the columnus but because ejecting casings is hot
sharp ember
how is thunderous on rashad
pretty darn redundant on a weapon already effective against armor
eternal sable
fatsharks only way
umbral scaffold
GAH DAM
umbral scaffold
My bad
sterile hull
Advice on improving this? I have fire frenzy III only
delicate estuary
bitter turtle
pretty darn redundant on a weapon already effective against armor
😔
damn
might just roll with it anyway
or hm
i rolled t4 shred on the last blessing
maybe ill roll with that 🤔
its like headtaker with extra steps
tawdry hull
i hate when he says that while i *absolutely* did just steal someones needed amm...
worst thing she says: "poxburster, shoot it, shoot it!!!"
minor vault
what should I use for melee alongside CIAG
celest vine
New hotfix?
muted knot
what should I use for melee alongside CIAG
Whatever you want really, your gun is gonna do most of not all of the heavy lifting, if you wanna be a metaslave it's probably gonna be a mk6 Powersword
odd sparrow
Whatever you want really, your gun is gonna do most of not all of the heavy lift...
Mk 6 but yes powersword is definitely thr best
muted knot
Apologies I fucked up the number
Ps6 for when crushers get too close for comfort and well it's a Powersword
It's always gonna be broken
minor vault
Alrighty cheers, been maining zealot and ogryn since I picked the game back up again so I have no idea what builds are decent for Vet anymore, only played it before they changed the skills tree
muted knot
Most everything vet has is viable
Some less so
But still if it's not the recon las guns it's gonna serve you fine
umbral scaffold
this is my tier list for vet
crude ermine
I'd put revolver
untold mulch
this is my tier list for vet
VIIa in Great 
crude ermine
Damnit grawr I was gonna say that
gusty bison
U dont need controller
umbral scaffold
so you run aim assist?
gusty bison
Revolver has aim assist for PC KB+M
umbral scaffold
either way helbore beats it
umbral scaffold
still only got 5 shots
gusty bison
*infinite shots
umbral scaffold
i get 20+
thats my list either way you can complain about it but thats how it is
trim hemlock
this is my tier list for vet
Looks a bit antedeluvian. Where’s other shotguns, the other revolver, the other las pistol?
gusty bison
Hold up MG4 below MG12
trim hemlock
Also very odd to see Vraks 3 that low
umbral scaffold
Looks a bit antedeluvian. Where’s other shotguns, the other revolver, the other ...
the list never had it
gusty bison
And heavy las pistol
umbral scaffold
Hence antedeluvian
you know of a list online that has all items
trim hemlock
you know of a list online that has all items
I don’t, I don’t make tier lists other than the ones in my head
My tier lists would have like 3 tiers at most and most of the weapons would be in the middle tier
umbral scaffold
I don’t, I don’t make tier lists other than the ones in my head <:KEKW_ogryn:102...
eh well either way till online produces a full tier list of all weapons this is whats represented
i go off the basis of 3 categories
gusty bison
My tier lists would have like 3 tiers at most and most of the weapons would be i...
I approve of this
gusty bison
I might go 4 tiers
trim hemlock
eh well either way till online produces a full tier list of all weapons this is ...
I suppose that’s fair. I’m only disappointed by the fact Vraks 3 is that low in the list
gusty bison
Broken
Strong
Solid
Meh
umbral scaffold
I suppose that’s fair. I’m only disappointed by the fact Vraks 3 is that low in ...
for a marksman weapon its not the best
bitter turtle
also v3 being below agri HH is weird
gusty bison
V3 is not a marksman rifle
bitter turtle
v3 is more like an iag
gusty bison
It has mediocre finesse
umbral scaffold
its still lableed as such a marksman weapon
gusty bison
It isnt one
crude ermine
Broken
Strong
Solid
Meh
I have a feeling I already know where a few certain ones will be just by looking
umbral scaffold
It isnt one
adn the revolver isnt a good marksman weapon either
bitter turtle
where is it labelled "marksman weapon"
and either way
why would you play it wrong intentionally and call it bad because of that
lol
gusty bison
adn the revolver isnt a good marksman weapon either
Its not a marksman weapon cos u dont need good aim with it
umbral scaffold
why would you play it wrong intentionally and call it bad because of that
so youre tellign me the vk3 shouldnt be going for headshots
gusty bison
so youre tellign me the vk3 shouldnt be going for headshots
Not really
umbral scaffold
when its a burst weapon
bitter turtle
so youre tellign me the vk3 shouldnt be going for headshots
you dont really need to no actually
gusty bison
Depends on the target
sharp ember
revolver don’t care range, crit handcannon say infinite range 
umbral scaffold
Not really
thats not good logic but again to each thier own
bitter turtle
my friend
frank ether
tier lists make me cry
gusty bison
thats not good logic but again to each thier own
1 headshot is worse than 3 bodyshots
gusty bison
And stagger causes chain headshots to be difficult
umbral scaffold
1 headshot is worse than 3 bodyshots
the perks on teh vk headhunters are based of headshots brrrr XD
bitter turtle
and you can play it literally just like that
gusty bison
'its literally just a burst iag
Itd actually worse at headshots than IAG
umbral scaffold
either way dont get festered over a tier list again this is just my opinion
bitter turtle
the perks on teh vk headhunters are based of headshots brrrr XD
you dont need crits to take out gunners
and the enemies you dont need crits on (crusher) is easy to headshot
are you telling me you bodyshot crushers on iag too?
gusty bison
the perks on teh vk headhunters are based of headshots brrrr XD
Then why does it have worse finesse than the IAGs
bitter turtle
lol
gusty bison
And other HHs
bitter turtle
you literally play it the same exact way as iag
body shot most things, headshot big guys
umbral scaffold
you dont need crits to take out gunners
you dont need crits to take out gunners yet same goes for the bolter
bitter turtle
you dont need crits to take out gunners yet same goes for the bolter
ur the one who brought up the HH blessing (headshot blessing)
lol
frank ether
You post a tier list in a public discord and expect not to have people nitpick it lmao
umbral scaffold
same goes for any weapon its just how it performs thats it again idk why yall are festered over ONE tier list
umbral scaffold
this is my opinion dont like it its ok make your own
and dont blame me not all shti is on there
gg
bitter turtle
like actually wtf
frank ether
had a bad experience maybe bad roll?
umbral scaffold
why is the laspistol bad
it states "heavy"
umbral scaffold
had a bad experience maybe bad roll?
i run alot of these weapons so i dont see the point in saying bad expereince
frank ether
So this is like a
umbral scaffold
I think he rates tier lists based on names rather than performance
i mean you can view that as such it sucks youre that salty over one pic
frank ether
preference list for you then?
umbral scaffold
preference list for you then?
yeah thats how a tier list is either way
frank ether
sure
umbral scaffold
the base pistol is better and like i said the list didnt have every item idk why it didnt
umbral scaffold
so this is what i put in for now
umbral scaffold
BOTH laspistols
so if both are called heavy then how come the heavy one hits harder and shoots slower
see my problem there
gusty bison
...
umbral scaffold
which one are you labeling then if all are bundled into one
bitter turtle
ok so v7 is the heavy headhunter autogun
gusty bison
You are rating a gun low cos u have a problem with the name
umbral scaffold
You are rating a gun low cos u have a problem with the name
no i dont
gusty bison
bitter turtle
helbore mk3 is the heavy helbore lasgun :^)
umbral scaffold
helbore mk3 is the heavy helbore lasgun :^)
if you want to see it as such yes if you guys wanna just baby over again a simple pic on one persons opinion go ahead
idk why yall are trying to hate on someoens opinion when you should be open about it
bitter turtle
criticism is not being a baby lol
gusty bison
Shocking. A discussion on something posted in a discussion channel
bitter turtle
im actually not hating on u
umbral scaffold
and labeling i hate stuff based of NAMES is already bad enough so ill just leave it at that
bye
XD
bitter turtle
im just questioning things
gusty bison
gasp
gusty bison
^ this.
Like
bitter turtle
then what's th e point
umbral scaffold
and then u go "just my opinion bro"
thats what a tier list is overall
its ones opinion
is it not
umbral scaffold
so why complain
bitter turtle
and u refuse to defend it
so why even post it
because you wanted attention?
or idk
umbral scaffold
i still dont see the reasoning in keeping the topic any further
umbral scaffold
if you and grawr are going to keep constantly stating over and over non disputable evidence that waht i am sharing is wrong
bitter turtle
like say i go and post
umbral scaffold
so again drop this and move on ty
gusty bison
You literally came in, dropped a tier list, expected people to not discuss.
Like
What?
bitter turtle
"i think new knife is bad"
umbral scaffold
You literally came in, dropped a tier list, expected people to *not* discuss.
its not that its the fact you labeld as such i hated a weapon for its name
umbral scaffold
You are rating a gun low cos u have a problem with the name
...
see
why label that i hated a weapon for its name
bitter turtle
not go "its just my opinion bro step OFF"
umbral scaffold
its not the case
umbral scaffold
not go "its just my opinion bro step OFF"
the problem isnt hte fact people disagree its that
what grwar states why have civil opinions when dissproval applies to hating a weapon cause of a name'when infact i never stated at all i hated a weapon cause of its name"
gusty bison
And that u rated the V3 cos its a poor marksman weapon cos its called a "headhunter"
When it isnt a marksman weapon
So like
umbral scaffold
And that u rated the V3 cos its a poor marksman weapon cos its called a "headhu...
never stated taht
bitter turtle
the problem isnt hte fact people disagree its that
ok i dont really care what grawr says
umbral scaffold
its a burst weapon
bitter turtle
i just know i had two opinions
frank ether
whats wrong with burst weapons lol
bitter turtle
- v3 is played like an iag rather than like v7
gusty bison
for a marksman weapon its not the best
Uh huh
bitter turtle
and i discussed why
but u kinda just ignored it
and 2. wtf is recon doing so high
umbral scaffold
whats wrong with burst weapons lol
for vet they dont work too well but for gun psycher or even zealot they are fine
they can do well
bitter turtle
which you also ignored
😔
why does it not work well for vet specifically
like u dont give any reasons
that's why im like "wtf"
and dont tell me bc you refuse to play it like an iag
umbral scaffold
which you also ignored
i put recon high as an automatic weapon cause of its overall use of dum dum and overall damage output you can have with shouting and running and gunnign
same goes for the colomnus
just colomnus is higher cause its damage drop of isnt as severe
for some odd reason
idk why it is
but it is that way
bitter turtle
i put recon high as an automatic weapon cause of its overall use of dum dum and ...
you do realize graia iag (which you put lower) does more dmg than both of the recons u put above or = to it right?
like significantly more
recons have really awful maniac multiplier and they still do less on other target too
but their maniac dmg is literally ike 1/3rd of any iag
umbral scaffold
recons have really awful maniac multiplier and they still do less on other targe...
but the maniac damage most peopel only focus and suffice when ragers are in play though, im not saying you are assuming that but in general maniac should work for all maniac based enemies
trappers etc
bitter turtle
but the maniac damage most peopel only focus and suffice when ragers are in play...
i get that
but they still do less dps
on other targets too
they quite literally lose
umbral scaffold
to me personally 50 damage point difference isnt much of a difference compared to per say 150 or 300
bitter turtle
on every single target in the game
so why are they higher
than a gun that just outclasses them in every way
i dont understand
frank ether
for vet they dont work too well but for gun psycher or even zealot they are fine
vet has so many finesse and ranged crit synergies tho
bitter turtle
are you valuing the recoilless nature or osmething?
its also weird because graia is the most stable iag
so even if u value low recoil graia should be higher
umbral scaffold
are you valuing the recoilless nature or osmething?
i do feel agripana beats gria actually
frank ether
vet also has some easy rending options turning vraks 3 into a can opener
bitter turtle
in terms of damage? definitely not
umbral scaffold
based of damage fall off as well i feel agripana outbeats gria
bitter turtle
like magdump damage wise
frank ether
I don't think zealot or gunker can open up crushers with a vraks like vet does
umbral scaffold
but ill aslo agree both are great overall
but to me i feel personally agripana is best over gria
bitter turtle
i dont mind that part
the confusing part is
why recons so high
when they lose so hard to both of them
also same with v3 honestly, as plush said
it outdpses the recons very significantly
gusty bison
MG 4 as well
bitter turtle
and can abuse largely the same talents
gusty bison
Granted MG4 breaks ur finger without autofire
frank ether
it outdpses the recons very significantly
I guess if you play malice or heresy it might change?
bitter turtle
frank ether
there are auric heresy missions too
gusty bison
Lel
gusty bison
why recons so high
And he still hasnt answered your question.
frank ether
remember to stay hydrated gaymers
bitter turtle
why is agri HH so high
bitter turtle
over v3
umbral scaffold
remember to stay hydrated gaymers
agreed
gusty bison
a lel moment that i prioritze my health over a convo online
Yes go take ur meds.
Dont let us keep you
frank ether
agri HH was 2x burst yes?
bitter turtle
yes
gusty bison
Mhm
frank ether
that gun kinda got forgotten
bitter turtle
largely the same problem as V3 as a headshot gun
u stagger on the first shot so you need very very good recoil control to land the 2nd or u dont oneshot
gusty bison
Mhm
bitter turtle
but unlike v3 you cant just spam it into body
frank ether
honestly they should just turn it into a hyperburst gun and it would be fun
bitter turtle
and do as well as v3
gusty bison
A9 also is way more feast or famine than V3
Cos it relies on that 2.7x finess
V3 has way better bodyshot deeps
gusty bison
Its
frank ether
even though I'm a fan of burst guns
gusty bison
Usable
frank ether
it is indeed usable
frank ether
especially v7 after the buff is just
gusty bison
Too damn high
frank ether
v7 is just taking away the pressure of
landing follow up headshot on the same burst
the whole suppression/headbob thing is hurting HH guns a lot
gusty bison
Yep
bitter turtle
ppl supressing things shouldnt feel like borderline trolling when you're on a headshot gun lul
but it does
ok question now that i have a decent rashad
how do ppl even run this weapon
i feel like it takes so many damn points just to hit that bp
frank ether
I think fatshark at some point needs to overhaul suppression/cover mechanics but thats a talk for another day
bitter turtle
like i know its gud but damn
gusty bison
i feel like it takes so many damn points just to hit that bp
Yra thats the annoyance
But once u do
One shotting 4 bruisers is crazy
bitter turtle
feels like my gun suffers for it
frank ether
how do ppl even run this weapon
brutal momentum and a power blessing, ideally headtaker
bitter turtle
unless im playing like fucking volver or something
frank ether
BM kinda non-negotiable
gusty bison
You usually take a gun that wants to go right
frank ether
yea
frank ether
combat axe likes attack speed
bitter turtle
guess i made this thing
gusty bison
Tbf right is solid
bitter turtle
i like snipey guns
frank ether
could still work
bitter turtle
not enough points in existence
frank ether
wont be most optimal
frank ether
if you're gonna play very melee heavy you could dump survivalist
frank ether
even though its kinda considered troll move
bitter turtle
it doesnt save a point
frank ether
some builds I just dont take survivalist
if it saves a point or two
I guess the problem is
you don't wanna take smokes
so you end up wasting points anyway for the %10 node
bitter turtle
gusty bison
bitter turtle
surv drop doesnt save pts see
still 1 pt short of taking Iron will
and no demo team 😔
gusty bison
Thats how I would build agri shotty with rashad
gusty bison
Ah lul
bitter turtle
it was that or thunderous
bitter turtle
gusty bison
Can i recommend laspistol?